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    Norco Sight with Pike - 150mm or 160mm?

    Any insight?

    2014 Carbon 7.2 - I have both air shafts for the Pike.

    I'm coming off a Specialized Enduro (slack and long) and chose the Sight for being a bit shorter, or a bit more nimble and less plow bike.

    Sight with original Revelation = 529mm A-C
    Pike 150 = 542mm A-C
    Pike 160 = 552mm A-C

    The old theory is 1 inch taller in fork = 1 degree slacker HA, so...

    Original Revelation = 67.5 HA
    Pike 150 = (+0.5") = 67 HA
    Pike 160 = (+0.9") = ~66.6 HA

    BB will also raise about 1/3 of the fork increase.

    ... I guess I am working this out while I write the post, lol. Thanks for bearing with me.

    Any ride experiences with the Pike at 160mm?

    Trails will be a mix of valley smooth and alpine chunk. All will be pretty fast.

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    Edit: As a side note, I run my forks pretty progressive and firm, and am speccing the Pike for stiffness and geometry and not for additional travel.

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    Well, I'm running a Pike 150mm my Sight LE. I'm about 190lbs and hit intermediate sized jumps and drops. The Pike handled 4' plus drops to flat no problem and I have it set up on the firm side. No problem with the changes to the geo, the Sight still handled great- super balanced and fun. If you have an issue, I guess you could install an offset bushing to move the geo back towards stock.

    the pike is money on the sight, super plush. With a 150, I think you would bottom out the fox shock before the Pike.

    Also, you can always change the air damper for $40 and go from 150 to 160 or vice versa, 160 to 150.

    I like the 150 and am happy with my decision. Despite coming from a bike with a 160 fork and shock.

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    Nice! Thanks Sounders!

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    Sure. here's my sight all built up. Pike 150, fox float kashima bv, xx1, next sl crank, xtr brakes, nox/I9 wheels. just waiting on my new pedals.

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    I think it would really depend on how much sag you roll with. If you're running 25-30% sag then 160 wouldn't be over the top. that being said 150 is probably a safe bet too. Really a personal preference i think then a huge difference in the ride from the head angle.

    I have a weird and unreasonable dislike of the number 6, so I would most likely go to the 150 if I was buying a new fork (150mm, 5.9 in). But if you're not a total f'n weirdo like me I would go big or go home (160mm 6.3 in) all the way.

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    Norco Sight with Pike - 150mm or 160mm?

    I'm running a 150 pike it feels right. I don't think this bike would preform as well with a smaller stanchions. The taller fork gives a slightly slacker HT angle. I used a GEO calculator it's ~ 66.8* i don't think I would put a 160 on the front. You want the front and rear of the bike to perform similar to one another. Raising the BB more might have a small effect on handling. Plus you're kinda converting a trail bike into that longer travel category.





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    Norco Sight with Pike - 150mm or 160mm?

    Are you guys upgrading to a Pike at purchase or buying them later on down the line? I'm steering away from the Sight because it doesn't look like they have a US frame only option and don't offer the Pike in a package. Am I missing something?

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    Well, I started with upgrading to the Pike and Crank to next sl on a 7 1.5 my lbs had in stock, pretty much at the cost difference. Though, I really wanted LE w/ xx1 so the lbs called Norco and they did have a LE frame available so my lbs snagged it and built it up custom for me.

    If you just wanted to upgrade to the Pike, I think many/most dealers would do so at the cost difference or close to it. The hard part will be finding one. My lbs still has a M and L 7 1.5 in stock, and so you might want to contact them (PM me).

    OTOH, there are a number of outstanding bikes in this category, Troy, Mach 6, Tracer T275, 5010/Bronson. Another bike that is pretty similar to the Sight is the Process 134, though it's not carbon, the geo is really nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkstar187 View Post
    I'm running a 150 pike it feels right....I used a GEO calculator it's ~ 66.8* ...you're kinda converting a trail bike into that longer travel category.
    Thanks! That was the info I was looking for. 66.8 should be perfect.

    I converted the Pike to 150mm the other night, so I just need to finish the build.

    (Is that Granite Bay trail?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCal-Rider View Post
    Are you guys upgrading to a Pike at purchase or buying them later on down the line? I'm steering away from the Sight because it doesn't look like they have a US frame only option and don't offer the Pike in a package. Am I missing something?
    local dealer said the 2015 model (august delivery) will have a 140mm pike, for the two highest models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikebum View Post
    local dealer said the 2015 model (august delivery) will have a 140mm pike, for the two highest models.
    that's great news. Plus, it only costs like $40 to change the damper to make the fork a 150 or 160.

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    Norco Sight with Pike - 150mm or 160mm?

    I had mine built as frame only.




    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P View Post
    Thanks! That was the info I was looking for. 66.8 should be perfect.

    I converted the Pike to 150mm the other night, so I just need to finish the build.

    (Is that Granite Bay trail?)

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    That sure is granite bay!! I ride there quite often!







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    Norco Sight with Pike - 150mm or 160mm?

    Quote Originally Posted by SoCal-Rider View Post
    Are you guys upgrading to a Pike at purchase or buying them later on down the line? I'm steering away from the Sight because it doesn't look like they have a US frame only option and don't offer the Pike in a package. Am I missing something?
    If you're looking for frame only give Matt a shot.

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    I know his shop is out of Pikes, but he may have a frame.

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    Rolling a 2013 Sight, 35mm stem,Pike 160mm fork and Cane Creek double barrel air CS rear shock. Still handles great! CCDB CS flat out rocks on this bike. Climbing is taken to a new level!

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    Norco Sight with Pike - 150mm or 160mm?

    Mr.P where did you get your sight from??


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    Curious about owners thoughts on the 2 degrees offset difference going to the pike?

    Nice bike darkstar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkstar187 View Post
    Mr.P where did you get your sight from??
    Downieville Outfitters
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    Quote Originally Posted by SMKNTRLS View Post
    Curious about owners thoughts on the 2 degrees offset difference going to the pike?

    Nice bike darkstar
    Well, Norco specs the carbon frames with the RS 140 rev which has a 42mm rake. The Pike 150 SA has the same 42mm rake. Fwiw, I love the way that bike handles, but then, I'm no rockstar rider.

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    Soundersfc thane for sharing. Kick'n bike u got there too. I appreciate that last response and as my riding buddy told me last night during our night ride I just need to get a bike and ride it ;-). Nbd can't come soon enough :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by staz View Post
    ! CCDB CS flat out rocks on this bike. Climbing is taken to a new level!
    So what size frame u snuggle that ccdb into and do u mind pming me who helped u out and what accessories u needed to make t happen. Pics would b sweet! Enjoy the ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMKNTRLS View Post
    So what size frame u snuggle that ccdb into and do u mind pming me who helped u out and what accessories u needed to make t happen. Pics would b sweet! Enjoy the ride!
    Cane creek's website has a fit finder. If you order it from them all the hardware comes with it. I have a ccdbair CS on my 2013 alloy and it's awesome one you get it set up properly. Most of the time I leave the CS switch half way, there's a little bob, but it smooths out the roots and square edge rocks during climbs.

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    Thanks Jd. Looks like they've got a new toy up there for the sights too. Just to keep this thread on track wonder what offset a ccdb needs ;-).

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    Norco Sight with Pike - 150mm or 160mm?

    Just mounted the pike!

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    Sweet lookin ride there JD. Enjoy and love some feedback on the difference in new fork to old: increased travel, feel, weight, offset ;-)

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    Norco Sight with Pike - 150mm or 160mm?

    SMKNTRLS, unfortunately there's a forest fire near me (slide fire just north of Sedona Arizona USA). My town is engulfed with all the smoke so until I can see more than a mile down the road I won't be on my bike anytime soon. When I do I will post. There should be a huge difference since I coming from the stock Sektor fork.

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    Norco Sight with Pike - 150mm or 160mm?

    SMKNTRLS, the fork at 150 is perfect for me. The bike feels super stable at speeds. Only gripe is I wished the LSC would be active during trail mode. It was a bit stiff, sag was at 30%, but it was my first ride.

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    Norco Sight with Pike - 150mm or 160mm?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMKNTRLS View Post
    So what size frame u snuggle that ccdb into and do u mind pming me who helped u out and what accessories u needed to make t happen. Pics would b sweet! Enjoy the ride!
    My guess is a non carbon bike.




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    With the 160mm Pike

    Always liked a bit more fork up front....still rolls great...not slow at all. Also seen the 650B shoot out video last year where they ran a 160mm up front and found it worked well. Anyone else rolling it 160 up front?
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    Cane Creek will make the hardware for the shock they have all the spec's.
    Went with their lounge tune and found it just about right...just back off the low speed compression a quarter turn in the climb mode. PSI set at 170...rider weight 205lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by staz View Post
    It will fit!! I have mine on order already!


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    Sorry but I just had to comment on this particular ride.
    It's freaking perfect! This is the bike I would have if I were wealthy.Every component...its like you read my mind building it. A perfect trail machine.
    What does this weigh?
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    Sure. here's my sight all built up. Pike 150, fox float kashima bv, xx1, next sl crank, xtr brakes, nox/I9 wheels. just waiting on my new pedals.

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    jdcatnau Thanks for the feedback. I hope your out enjoying that ride. Now hoping they'll be something around when I'm ready to buy.

    Curious guys if I end up getting an aluminum frame because all that's avail or afford to start with and knowing this will probably be your frame for 3 to 5 years at least would you go with the piggyback CCDB or prepare for the future C upgrade with the CCDB inline? I'm a big boy who enjoys his CA Singletrack but still thinking more oil the better. I'm not doing crazy long downs but do like to hit whatever small jumps/drops I can create/are around. A couple miles of down at the most is my regular.

    NBD just can't come soon enough :-)

    Enjoy your rides!

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    Norco Sight with Pike - 150mm or 160mm?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMKNTRLS View Post
    jdcatnau Thanks for the feedback. I hope your out enjoying that ride. Now hoping they'll be something around when I'm ready to buy.

    Curious guys if I end up getting an aluminum frame because all that's avail or afford to start with and knowing this will probably be your frame for 3 to 5 years at least would you go with the piggyback CCDB or prepare for the future C upgrade with the CCDB inline? I'm a big boy who enjoys his CA Singletrack but still thinking more oil the better. I'm not doing crazy long downs but do like to hit whatever small jumps/drops I can create/are around. A couple miles of down at the most is my regular.

    NBD just can't come soon enough :-)

    Enjoy your rides!

    Smkntrls
    SMKNTRLS, I am going for a 2015 carbon frame whenever they are available. My alum frame will be available. Talking to my shop, you can only order new carbon frames. Norco doesn't sell alum frames separately. I was also thinking about going with the alum frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xmessenger View Post
    Sorry but I just had to comment on this particular ride.
    It's freaking perfect! This is the bike I would have if I were wealthy.Every component...its like you read my mind building it. A perfect trail machine.
    What does this weigh?
    Thanks XMessenger! The bike is fantastic, totally love it. I weighed it using my bathroom scale and it came in at 25.8 lbs with pedals.

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    Follow up on my original thread starting question.

    I set the Pike to 150mm. I did not try the Sight with the 140 Revelation, nor the Pike set at 160.

    The Sight with the 150mm Pike seems balanced, I can climb crazy steep stuff without a wandering front end, cornering is fine, the stiffness is great. Basically, a zero negative issue addition, IMHO.

    On a side note, I decreased the volume of the Monarch rear shock to make it more progressive, which was worthwhile for my riding. I lost a touch of compliance going through rock gardens, but gained a firmer midstroke to pump through terrain and in corners. And gained a more bottomless feel for hucks. I have not bottomed since the mod, and that includes some moderate jumping and drops.

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    What did you use to lower the volume? I'm debating doing that as well. Linkage is pretty progressive so bottom out is not an issue but am looking for more mid stroke support for pumping as well.

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    Sorry to revive old thread .. just mounted a 160 pike on my norco sight LE carbon .. CCDBI on rear . Trying about 25% sag . Pressure is low compared to recommended . I'm 175 kitted up and running 50 psi . No tokens .

    Seems strange but will ride tomorrow and see how it goes

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    Is that 25% seated, or standing/attack position?.

    160mm on the Sight is fine. I'm running 160mm on a fork with a longer A/C lengths than a Pike. The Sight rear end is so soft at the top of travel and then firms up that I feel the 160mm fork pairs well with it.

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    Little over 25% standing in attack position

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