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    These look pretty sweet! Closer to the Range territory now. Debating whether one of these should be my next bike.

    I have a 18' Range XL that I increased the travel in the fork to 170mm(same as the 19' models).It has a HA of 65, STA 73.2, Reach of 479mm, TT is 669mm, Wheelbase of 1253mm. The 20' Sight has a HA of 64, STA of 78, Reach of 515m, TT 649mm and Wheelbase is 1301mm.

    The biggest differences I see is the STA is 5į steeper and the wheelbase 48mm longer. I haven't ridden a bike with that steep of STA, does it make that big of a difference climbing?
    I ride the North Shore, many of the trails have tight turns, I already find the XL Range challenging in some of the techy, tight and steep corners, cutting it wide as possible to get through. What are these longer wheelbase bikes like in the tight corners?

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    Personally excited for this bike to appear in local demo fleet, and at least on paper(all the online launch reviews) - it sounds like the bike im looking for. 2014 Sight was the real "game changer" bike for me. Went to a Spot Rollik 557 in 2017 which took the Sight to that next level. THIS bike sounds like the bike I'm looking for as Im ready to go back to 29er (i rode full suspension 29ers when frankly pre 2014 - they mostly sucked - but i still liked the big wheel).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    The biggest differences I see is the STA is 5į steeper and the wheelbase 48mm longer. I haven't ridden a bike with that steep of STA, does it make that big of a difference climbing?
    I have ridden a few of the "new geo" bikes with steep STAs, only place I found the steeper STA to be of benefit is when the climbing gets really steep.

    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    I ride the North Shore, many of the trails have tight turns, I already find the XL Range challenging in some of the techy, tight and steep corners, cutting it wide as possible to get through. What are these longer wheelbase bikes like in the tight corners?
    You will definitely feel an extra 50mm of wheelbase in slower tight twisty stuff, it's going to turn like a 747 taxiing down LAX.

    All this "new geo" stuff is all a trade off. Longer slacker will make it more capable/stable at speed in flowy rough stuff. Then make it tiring work in slow twisty stuff.

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    Anyone know what a Stan's Flow D rim is? Nothing on Stan's website by that name. Mk3? EX3? Some kind of OEM?

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    Have an A2 or order, should have it in a few days. I think it is supposed to have the Stans D whatever it is...

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    Anyone know if the AL frames have a threaded bb? I can't find it in the specs.

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    The Flow D rims are OEM, similar profile to the S1 rim but with some additional bracing within the rim (maybe to account for lower spec alloy???). 634g for the 29, 584g for 27.5 so not light (S1 29 is 584g)
    Threaded BB on the A1, also I weighed the large A1 with tubeless setup and it was 15.5kg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anth08 View Post
    The Flow D rims are OEM, similar profile to the S1 rim but with some additional bracing within the rim (maybe to account for lower spec alloy???). 634g for the 29, 584g for 27.5 so not light (S1 29 is 584g)
    Threaded BB on the A1, also I weighed the large A1 with tubeless setup and it was 15.5kg
    Thank you muchly for the info! Threaded BB is good news at least!

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    Odd but this bike seems not to be getting any attention on the forum---the Optic seems to not have big interest either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pctloper View Post
    Odd but this bike seems not to be getting any attention on the forum---the Optic seems to not have big interest either.
    Maybe because Norco released both a bit late relative to all the other big players? People's interest has moved on a bit?

    I know this is being critical, bit I'm trying to figure out why the sight carbon frame is so much more expensive than the Optic? Only difference is 25mm travel and carbon seatstays. Puts the sight carbon builds out of my price range.

    Day off tomorrow, going to head down to the local shop and fondle both (Optic and Sight).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anth08 View Post
    The Flow D rims are OEM, similar profile to the S1 rim but with some additional bracing within the rim (maybe to account for lower spec alloy???). 634g for the 29, 584g for 27.5 so not light (S1 29 is 584g)
    Threaded BB on the A1, also I weighed the large A1 with tubeless setup and it was 15.5kg
    Threaded BB eh, damn, now I might just have to get one....

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    Quote Originally Posted by percivilla View Post
    Maybe because Norco released both a bit late relative to all the other big players? People's interest has moved on a bit?

    I know this is being critical, bit I'm trying to figure out why the sight carbon frame is so much more expensive than the Optic? Only difference is 25mm travel and carbon seatstays. Puts the sight carbon builds out of my price range.

    Day off tomorrow, going to head down to the local shop and fondle both (Optic and Sight).
    Having ridden the new Sight... it's phenomenal! I'm incredibly excited to buy one, coming off a very similar bike comparing dimensions and angles (the Transition Sentinel), but on the trail it just does everything better... climbs better, more traction, easier to move around, faster...

    The frame only option also has an X2, which is definitely has an added cost associated.

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    Wait, I thought the new sight had a PF BB? Youíre saying the aluminum ones have a threaded BB? That was literally the only thing I had ďagainstĒ it (ie, my only preference it didnít have).

    And, Iím confused why this isnít getting more talk as well. The sight seems perfect to me. Slack hta, steep sta, and chain stay lengths adapting to the size of the bike/rider... all with a reduced offset fork, and standard 4 piston brakes on each build kit? Whatís not to like?

    I still need to find one to demo, but assuming that goes well, I may be trying to find my way into one sometime in the future.

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    Press fit on the carbon frames, 99% sure the A1 had a threaded BB (external cups with tool interface both sides).

    Iím stuck on the sizing, I rode the large, Iím 174cm so on the limit of what the charts say for Medium. The large felt really long and I think the wheelbase and Reach on the M will more manageable on my local tracks however the short ett has me beaten, itís about 25mm shorter than my current M trance. I guess people just pedal in a more upright position with the steep seat angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    Wait, I thought the new sight had a PF BB? Youíre saying the aluminum ones have a threaded BB? That was literally the only thing I had ďagainstĒ it (ie, my only preference it didnít have).

    And, Iím confused why this isnít getting more talk as well. The sight seems perfect to me. Slack hta, steep sta, and chain stay lengths adapting to the size of the bike/rider... all with a reduced offset fork, and standard 4 piston brakes on each build kit? Whatís not to like?

    I still need to find one to demo, but assuming that goes well, I may be trying to find my way into one sometime in the future.
    I've never had an issue with a pressfit BB, last one was on a 2018 Range carbon with Raceface Next R cranks. I made sure to get a Wheels BB because the BB cup is also the bearing race, allowing them to use larger sided ball bearings... not a single squeak.

    As far as the Sight... there's a lot to like! There's a bit of a learning curve with the reduced offset fork and the handling (front end grip and staying centered), if you haven't ridden something similar, but I couldn't say much more than "it's a great bike" and "I want one" after riding it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anth08 View Post
    Press fit on the carbon frames, 99% sure the A1 had a threaded BB (external cups with tool interface both sides).

    Iím stuck on the sizing, I rode the large, Iím 174cm so on the limit of what the charts say for Medium. The large felt really long and I think the wheelbase and Reach on the M will more manageable on my local tracks however the short ett has me beaten, itís about 25mm shorter than my current M trance. I guess people just pedal in a more upright position with the steep seat angle.
    I too rode a large and am 174cm tall, I felt like it would be a good size if I did enduro racing and all out speed. I too felt like it was just a bit long for the tighter trails I rode. I'll likely be getting a medium... but I'm wondering if running a narrower bar than my usual 800mm (same as the demo), as the setup guide's suggested a 760mm, and maybe a 35mm stem would help this out.

    Don't decide on a size based on ETT, your position when standing on the pedals will be more of a factor and likely feel feel right, you will pedal more upright and will likely feel more comfortable doing so.

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    New Sight A2

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyOrange View Post
    I've never had an issue with a pressfit BB, last one was on a 2018 Range carbon with Raceface Next R cranks. I made sure to get a Wheels BB because the BB cup is also the bearing race, allowing them to use larger sided ball bearings... not a single squeak.

    As far as the Sight... there's a lot to like! There's a bit of a learning curve with the reduced offset fork and the handling (front end grip and staying centered), if you haven't ridden something similar, but I couldn't say much more than "it's a great bike" and "I want one" after riding it.

    I too rode a large and am 174cm tall, I felt like it would be a good size if I did enduro racing and all out speed. I too felt like it was just a bit long for the tighter trails I rode. I'll likely be getting a medium... but I'm wondering if running a narrower bar than my usual 800mm (same as the demo), as the setup guide's suggested a 760mm, and maybe a 35mm stem would help this out.

    Don't decide on a size based on ETT, your position when standing on the pedals will be more of a factor and likely feel feel right, you will pedal more upright and will likely feel more comfortable doing so.
    A PF BB isn't a deal breaker to me (my current bike, a Kona Process 153 29'er has them), its just that a I'd prefer a threaded BB. Carbon is out of my price range, so I'm happy to hear that the AL versions have it.

    I demo'd a Transition smuggler in the spring (and a number of other bikes), and the was blown away with how the bike cornered. I felt like the smuggler railed berms much easier, and overall was more confidence inspiring than even the longer travel bikes I demo'd. Compared to the other bikes I rode that day(and my own bike), the biggest difference was the reduced offset fork (3 out of the 4 bikes I rode had the same HTA, and chainstays within ~5-10mm of each other).

    Of course, that's the only bike I've ever ridden with a reduced offset, and it was only for like 45min-1hr. But I'm interested enough in the handling difference to try another.

    I'm also a bit between sizes. I'm 6'1", and I fit into the grey area between the L and XL. But looking at the XL Sight, compared to the L Kona I'm on right now, there is a massive ~90mm difference in wheelbase. That said, I do feel at times that I should have upsized to the XL Kona (again, I was right between sizes). Definitely want to demo both sizes before I commit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyOrange View Post
    Having ridden the new Sight... it's phenomenal! I'm incredibly excited to buy one, coming off a very similar bike comparing dimensions and angles (the Transition Sentinel), but on the trail it just does everything better... climbs better, more traction, easier to move around, faster...

    The frame only option also has an X2, which is definitely has an added cost associated.
    Yeah, I'm probably just being nitpicky because I can't justify the cost of carbon one 😆. Good point on the X2 as well. When you cross shop against other brands they are still a decent value, the Optic is just a bit better of a deal for the price it would seem.

    I am happy for sure that Norco is doing an Aluminum version of this bike! I'd rather spend the difference on better suspension than frame material. I'll probably end up with the A2, not sure I can stretch to the A1.

    At 6'4" I'm pumped about the geometry! I've always been annoyed trying to climb with my butt hanging out over the rear hub...

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    I'm building my sons medium A2 later today. Go a sit on a large, it's just too big for him. Seated he can ride it but the reach and wheelbase are so long it will be too unwieldy in tighter corners. He is 172cm and still growing so I was hoping a large would have been ok, if he keeps growing I'll worry about it then.
    Seat post down the medium is like a large of many other bikes.

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    Oh, and it is HEAVY... I can only imagine how heavy an XL bike would be. Didn't get it on accurate scales but hand held scales it was a bit over 16kg with pedals and bottlecage. Over 35 and a half pounds for seppos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duane. View Post
    Oh, and it is HEAVY... I can only imagine how heavy an XL bike would be. Didn't get it on accurate scales but hand held scales it was a bit over 16kg with pedals and bottlecage. Over 35 and a half pounds for seppos.
    I read a review/first ride of the carbon version, and they said it was something like 33lbs (iirc anyway, and I think that was size large). So I'm not surprised that it is heavy.

    That said... I'm not a weight weeny. My Kona is ~35-36lbs (size Large, AL frame), so I'm expecting the weight to be similar-ish to be honest.

    I may care more... but I'm the lightest person in my riding group (which, unfortunately, is not saying much:P), and I'm always waiting for my buddies on the climbs anyway.

    And, IF I get one, I think I may build up a frame, as I'm not very smitten with the parts on the A3 version. I'd more likely transfer everything I could over from my current Kona. It looks like everything other than the dropper would fit (and of course, a threaded BB). Oh, and I'd need to change my fork to a short offset technically.

    I... just wish the frame only option came with a better color. The light metallic looking blue isn't exactly my style.

    I'm hoping one of these is in pinkbikes field test this year, or maybe the BikeMag big group test. I'm curious to see what reviewers think of it. Then come springtime, I should be able to grab a demo, and maybe make a better decision then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    I read a review/first ride of the carbon version, and they said it was something like 33lbs (iirc anyway, and I think that was size large). So I'm not surprised that it is heavy.

    That said... I'm not a weight weeny. My Kona is ~35-36lbs (size Large, AL frame), so I'm expecting the weight to be similar-ish to be honest.

    I may care more... but I'm the lightest person in my riding group (which, unfortunately, is not saying much:P), and I'm always waiting for my buddies on the climbs anyway.

    And, IF I get one, I think I may build up a frame, as I'm not very smitten with the parts on the A3 version. I'd more likely transfer everything I could over from my current Kona. It looks like everything other than the dropper would fit (and of course, a threaded BB). Oh, and I'd need to change my fork to a short offset technically.

    I... just wish the frame only option came with a better color. The light metallic looking blue isn't exactly my style.

    I'm hoping one of these is in pinkbikes field test this year, or maybe the BikeMag big group test. I'm curious to see what reviewers think of it. Then come springtime, I should be able to grab a demo, and maybe make a better decision then.
    Coming off a relatively light Sentinel (30.66lbs with pedals) and not knowing the weight of my demo large Sight; I would never have guessed it weighed much more... it certainly doesn't feel like it while pedaling and my climbing times were about my average. It definitely didn't feel slower.

    I would be shocked to not see this and/or the Optic in the bible of bikes 2020 as part of their bikes they can't talk about yet.

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    I think I read that it will be in the new Bike Bible tests. I'm looking forward to that as their review of the 2017 Sight led me to buying one. I love it but would like to demo the new one. But frankly my current Sight feels perfect for my riding style.

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    Might have to see if the shop can do a custom build. Pricepoint wise I'm comfortable around the A2 level but don't really care for the build. Basically the Range A1 build is perfect to me (except with air superdeluxe instead of coil), and should be a similar pricepoint looking at the $100 difference in frames.

    Weight doesn't really seem too far off other bikes in the category?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    I read a review/first ride of the carbon version, and they said it was something like 33lbs (iirc anyway, and I think that was size large). So I'm not surprised that it is heavy.

    That said... I'm not a weight weeny. My Kona is ~35-36lbs (size Large, AL frame), so I'm expecting the weight to be similar-ish to be honest.

    I may care more... but I'm the lightest person in my riding group (which, unfortunately, is not saying much:P), and I'm always waiting for my buddies on the climbs anyway.

    And, IF I get one, I think I may build up a frame, as I'm not very smitten with the parts on the A3 version. I'd more likely transfer everything I could over from my current Kona. It looks like everything other than the dropper would fit (and of course, a threaded BB). Oh, and I'd need to change my fork to a short offset technically.

    I... just wish the frame only option came with a better color. The light metallic looking blue isn't exactly my style.

    I'm hoping one of these is in pinkbikes field test this year, or maybe the BikeMag big group test. I'm curious to see what reviewers think of it. Then come springtime, I should be able to grab a demo, and maybe make a better decision then.
    Yeah itís a shame the frame only is that blue. It isnít bad, but I wouldnít loved the matte green or a nice black.

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    Anyone ride a 18' or 19' Range that has demo'd the 20' Sight? How did is compare? Pro's? Con's? Sexy looking bikes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    Anyone ride a 18' or 19' Range that has demo'd the 20' Sight? How did is compare? Pro's? Con's? Sexy looking bikes!
    I rode a heavily upgraded 2018 C3 29er for a summer and demoed a 2020 Sight for a bit. The Sight was probably a little large, they only had a Large to demo and I usually ride a Medium, and I could tell that it was a longer bike on a tight trail. It did require a little more input but it never felt unwieldy and the rear end was easy to pick up and move around.

    The Sight just seemed to do everything better, but I didn't get to ride it in anything chunky. It definitely climbs and pedals better, has more front and rear traction, and was faster over the terrain I rode by a fairly large margin. It also felt a lot more playful, I always felt like the Range wanted to monster truck and go straight over everything...

    I feel like the new Sight is definitely a more complete bike for the entire mountain and is on my new bike wishlist... just have to decide colour, suspension and buildkit, I hear there's at least one more higher end buildkit and waiting to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyOrange View Post
    I rode a heavily upgraded 2018 C3 29er for a summer and demoed a 2020 Sight for a bit. The Sight was probably a little large, they only had a Large to demo and I usually ride a Medium, and I could tell that it was a longer bike on a tight trail. It did require a little more input but it never felt unwieldy and the rear end was easy to pick up and move around.

    The Sight just seemed to do everything better, but I didn't get to ride it in anything chunky. It definitely climbs and pedals better, has more front and rear traction, and was faster over the terrain I rode by a fairly large margin. It also felt a lot more playful, I always felt like the Range wanted to monster truck and go straight over everything...

    I feel like the new Sight is definitely a more complete bike for the entire mountain and is on my new bike wishlist... just have to decide colour, suspension and buildkit, I hear there's at least one more higher end buildkit and waiting to see it.
    Thanks for the feedback! But damn you MikeyOrange!😋I was hoping that you'd say there was a slight difference and not worth it......

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    I was trying to get my head around the '20 Sights geometry, then I realized it is a reduced offset fork spec on the 27.5 ad 29 models. My understanding is that you can't do a direct comparison between head angle of 2 bikes with different fork offsets. SO, the 64 HA isn't actually as slack as it sounds....right? Surprised nobody has mentioned this geo much so far as it seems like Norco is trying to be pretty progressive here.

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    My son has just gone for a short ride, easy xc terrain, but he is saying that the new one rolls so much faster (his old one was 650b so to be expected) but he is saying it climbs better despite the added weight and is more poppy, which surprised me. Nothing but praise so far.
    His old bike is a 2019 Sight A2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islander View Post
    I was trying to get my head around the '20 Sights geometry, then I realized it is a reduced offset fork spec on the 27.5 ad 29 models. My understanding is that you can't do a direct comparison between head angle of 2 bikes with different fork offsets. SO, the 64 HA isn't actually as slack as it sounds....right? Surprised nobody has mentioned this geo much so far as it seems like Norco is trying to be pretty progressive here.
    A reduced offset fork reduces the wheelbase some, which reigns in the wheelbase a bit compared to a bike with a longer offset fork.

    However, a reduced offset fork increases the trail, which from what I understand, has a somewhat similar effect as slackening the head angle (and also making it so the bike likes to "stick" to the line its carving in a turn). It also brings the tire farther under the rider, weighting it more. Now, I have no idea how many mm of fork offset equals how many degrees of head tube angle, but from my reading, that's the basic idea behind it.

    My one time on a reduced offset fork, was great, I felt like I could finally corner as well as I usually describe my skills to my friends .

    Also, my current bike has a HTA of 66 degrees, and that doesn't ever feel like "too much" for me. At first glance, and on paper, the HTA of 64 degrees does sound a bit crazy, especially compared to a few years ago. However, I grew up riding dirt bikes. And dirt bike geo has had HTA's in the 62-63 degree range for what seems like forever, and those feel totally natural to me.

    I'm curious how far the "long and slack" trend continues. I'm doubting that the HTA's will go beyond what we see in DH or dirt bikes. But in terms of length? I'm not sure. At least now we're seeing chainstays lengthened on larger sizes. And the bulk of a the "reach" that has historically been in the 80-120mm stems that came on bikes, has now been moved to the frames. Now that steeper seat tube angles are pushing the reach out even longer to keep the effective top tube length the same. But now that that is more or less common, I don't think that the seat tubes can get much steeper, so I'm not sure how long the trend can continue.

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    Does anybody know if the 2020 sight can be run with 170mm for? 37mm offset?

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    170mm is only 10mm overforked. And the 27.5in wheeled model has a 37mm offset fork on it from the factory, right?

    Usually you can overfork a bike by 10-20mm without anything weird happening, so I'd imagine it would be fine. If you wanted to go more, you may play around with an angleset, as that would bring the BB height closer to factory height.

    And, as for a 37mm offset on a 29'er? I mean, it would work fine, but would further increase the trail. That would make it tuck into turns really well, but not how it would ride on non-high speed trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    170mm is only 10mm overforked. And the 27.5in wheeled model has a 37mm offset fork on it from the factory, right?

    Usually you can overfork a bike by 10-20mm without anything weird happening, so I'd imagine it would be fine. If you wanted to go more, you may play around with an angleset, as that would bring the BB height closer to factory height.

    And, as for a 37mm offset on a 29'er? I mean, it would work fine, but would further increase the trail. That would make it tuck into turns really well, but not how it would ride on non-high speed trails.
    Thx, I mean the 27.5. I have a new Fox 36 grip 2 170 mm 37mm offset and like it. Would like to transfer it over to the Sight without lowering it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    Thx, I mean the 27.5. I have a new Fox 36 grip 2 170 mm 37mm offset and like it. Would like to transfer it over to the Sight without lowering it.
    Oh, in that case, the change is only 10mm of travel then. A 170mm fork will further slacken your bike by ~0.5 degrees, which would give it a HTA of ~63.0 degrees.

    Also, you can change the travel on your fork fairly easily. The part itself is just a new air shaft, which usually seems to be in the ~$30-50 range, and it is easily done during a normal service of the lowers.

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    Just read the Pinkbike field test for the Optic and they said the shimano rotors are resin only, turns out the Sight C2 also comes with resin only. Pretty poor for the price

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anth08 View Post
    Just read the Pinkbike field test for the Optic and they said the shimano rotors are resin only, turns out the Sight C2 also comes with resin only. Pretty poor for the price
    Rotors can only handle resin pads? Or brakes come with only resin pads from the factory?


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    Rotors can only handle resin pads? Or brakes come with only resin pads from the factory?


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    The info I have from Norco is RT54 rotors which are resin only but the bikes in reviews seem to have RT64 rotors which handle metal pads, also Shimano donít list the RT54 in 203mm so hopefully my info is wrong

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    Got to check out an A2. Seems like a good spec for the money. Think I'd prefer rockshox but I'm sure the Rhythm 36 is decent. No riding impressions but the sales guy mentioned that he's getting one and so are several others at the store.

    It's not a lightweight that's for sure, the XL A2 is pushing 35lbs, but the guy I was talking to had ridden one quite a bit and said it feels awesome on the trail and climbs better than it had any right to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by percivilla View Post
    Got to check out an A2. Seems like a good spec for the money. Think I'd prefer rockshox but I'm sure the Rhythm 36 is decent. No riding impressions but the sales guy mentioned that he's getting one and so are several others at the store.

    It's not a lightweight that's for sure, the XL A2 is pushing 35lbs, but the guy I was talking to had ridden one quite a bit and said it feels awesome on the trail and climbs better than it had any right to.
    Are the frames heavy? Or are the builds making them heavy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    Are the frames heavy? Or are the builds making them heavy?
    Bit of both I'd say. The builds all favour toughness over weight with DH focused parts. The A2 has a beefy wheelset and suspension, and an OEM cockpit. Going tubeless will save some weight. Norco is marketing it as a bike for "sending" whatever you want so they're smart not to put any weedy parts on it.

    I'm aiming to be doing a fair bit of shuttling and bike park on it so it doesn't concern me at all. If I was doing mostly trail riding I'd be looking at the Optic.

    I should clarify that "pushing 35lbs" was an educated guess by me and the guy at the shop. We didn't hang it on the scale. Higher end carbon builds should shave a few pounds.

    The Large Carbon that Pinkbike tested was 32lbs so not unlikely that the A2 with lower spec parts and tubes would be a couple pounds heavier.

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    My sons A2 with pedals and bottle cage is 36 pounds! It's no lightweight but I need to slow him down so I can keep up somehow.
    As parts need replacing I will upspec it. The wheelset is quite heavy.

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    These days, a 35-36# Aluminum almost enduro bike with an NX cassette sounds pretty normal to me.

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    Yeah, the weight seems normal to me. Usually an AL frame is somewhere around ~2lbs heavier for most bikes/brands. So I'd say ~35lbs is probably pretty accurate, depending on the rest of the spec. Smaller frame sizes may be a touch lighter.

    That said... I'm not worried about weight, especially for a bike like this. I'd rather it be more durable, which from the weight, it likely will be.

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    anyone have some rides on this bad boy? Possibly even a Sight vs Optic comparo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    Yeah, the weight seems normal to me. Usually an AL frame is somewhere around ~2lbs heavier for most bikes/brands. So I'd say ~35lbs is probably pretty accurate, depending on the rest of the spec. Smaller frame sizes may be a touch lighter.

    That said... I'm not worried about weight, especially for a bike like this. I'd rather it be more durable, which from the weight, it likely will be.
    Agreed. Every price point looks to be a bike you can charge anything on.

    I'm honestly a bit confused why Norco didn't put it in their Enduro category. Every aspect of the spec/build is Enduro. I guess they're suggesting that it climbs better than most Enduros by calling it all mountain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by percivilla View Post
    Agreed. Every price point looks to be a bike you can charge anything on.

    I'm honestly a bit confused why Norco didn't put it in their Enduro category. Every aspect of the spec/build is Enduro. I guess they're suggesting that it climbs better than most Enduros by calling it all mountain?
    I'd bet it's because they actively list prior years on their site. So putting the new Sight in enduro would mean either putting the old one in there too (which it's not) or having it split between two categories.

    I have to wonder if a site update is coming. Listing all builds and 3 years of models is busy AF. Plenty confusing without splitting a model between categories.

    Most manf just list their current model for each bike. No clue why Norco decided to list their lineup the way they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eh steve View Post
    I'd bet it's because they actively list prior years on their site. So putting the new Sight in enduro would mean either putting the old one in there too (which it's not) or having it split between two categories.

    I have to wonder if a site update is coming. Listing all builds and 3 years of models is busy AF. Plenty confusing without splitting a model between categories.

    Most manf just list their current model for each bike. No clue why Norco decided to list their lineup the way they did.
    It is a busy site for sure. It's kind of annoying how when you click on a model, you then have to scroll waaay down past all the other models to see the specs. I know, first world problems. I also wish companies would photograph their bikes outside, in natural light, not in a white room.

    Commencal has a nice site design. Easy to navigate. I like how they also show the whole bike from a few different angles.

    Anyway, topic drift...

    Out of curiosity, has anyone tried a Rhythm 36? Can't find much out there on them. Apparently it's an earlier version of the grip 2 damper with less adjustability and a slightly heavier lower?

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    Quote Originally Posted by percivilla View Post
    Agreed. Every price point looks to be a bike you can charge anything on.

    I'm honestly a bit confused why Norco didn't put it in their Enduro category. Every aspect of the spec/build is Enduro. I guess they're suggesting that it climbs better than most Enduros by calling it all mountain?
    The term Enduro to me is really just a race version of all mountain riding. To me they are totally the same style of bikes. I think itís just them saying this isnít their ďraceĒ bike, but rather their long travel trail bike for the whole mountain.

    Which leads us to...

    Iím betting the range will be updated sometime in the next year or so, and will be something we may currently call a ďsuper enduroĒ style bike. Aka, 170-180mm of travel bike intended for people racing enduros. And I bet that bike will get the enduro moniker in their lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    The term Enduro to me is really just a race version of all mountain riding. To me they are totally the same style of bikes. I think itís just them saying this isnít their ďraceĒ bike, but rather their long travel trail bike for the whole mountain.

    Which leads us to...

    Iím betting the range will be updated sometime in the next year or so, and will be something we may currently call a ďsuper enduroĒ style bike. Aka, 170-180mm of travel bike intended for people racing enduros. And I bet that bike will get the enduro moniker in their lineup.
    Yup. Different guy I was talking to a previous time at the shop was saying that the 2021 Range will be a 170ish bike to compete with the RM Slayer. Basically a park/pro line style bike. I'd bet it'll be HSP like the Aurum.

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    Agree, I'm expecting a slightly reduced travel HSP with a single crown and eagle cassette.

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    Since you brought the website up, I noticed today the black Carbon bike disappeared. And whatís the dealeo with the womenís lineup? Is it just considered a womanís color or are they specíd with womenís components like Specialized did?
    I stopped by a dealer today and they called the sales rep for Norco and said I should be able to get Black Frame only around December. I hope thatís the case....

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    Since you brought the website up, I noticed today the black Carbon bike disappeared. And whatís the dealeo with the womenís lineup? Is it just considered a womanís color or are they specíd with womenís components like Specialized did?
    I stopped by a dealer today and they called the sales rep for Norco and said I should be able to get Black Frame only around December. I hope thatís the case....
    I read some press material, that said the women's bikes were the same frames, but with different finishing kits (ladies saddle, potentially narrower bars, etc). However, I just compared the builds of the A3, to the A3 women's on the website.... and I couldn't find any difference other than color.

    There is always the possibility that the website is wrong, and also the possibility things that are technically the same part, may be different (ie, fork/shock tunes meant for lighter weight riders).

    So, I think that technically it should work to buy a women's model... but I'd want to double check before I committed to doing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    I read some press material, that said the women's bikes were the same frames, but with different finishing kits (ladies saddle, potentially narrower bars, etc). However, I just compared the builds of the A3, to the A3 women's on the website.... and I couldn't find any difference other than color.

    There is always the possibility that the website is wrong, and also the possibility things that are technically the same part, may be different (ie, fork/shock tunes meant for lighter weight riders).

    So, I think that technically it should work to buy a women's model... but I'd want to double check before I committed to doing that.
    From Norco.....only difference is saddle, grips and frame colour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    From Norco.....only difference is saddle, grips and frame colour.
    Yep. If you plan on changing the saddle and grips, there is no downside to a "women's" norco model. At a local Norco dealer employees are considering the "women's" colours for their builds.

    Personally I hate yellow, so I'd take a women's C2 over the men's.

    I wonder how many take-off women's saddles norco dealers have...

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    Yeah, if I had the means for a carbon build I'd be going for that metallic teal C2!

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    I'll be in my bunk.

    I ride a '18 Range C2 29er and I love it. The new Sight looks like a bike that's similar, but slightly better in almost every way. Can't wait to try one out.

    If only a person could get his/her hands on one of those black and red frames as a frame-only option as opposed to that Ironman colour scheme. And, selfishly, I wish they'd built it around a 205/60 shock size so I could try it with the coil from my Range =]

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    Quote Originally Posted by shlotch View Post

    If only a person could get his/her hands on one of those black and red frames as a frame-only option as opposed to that Ironman colour scheme.
    Can't get the black/red as frame only, but also no build option with the red Lyric Ultimate.

    Want the bike in the promo video? Sorry, we don't offer that build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eh steve View Post
    Want the bike in the promo video? Sorry, we don't offer that build.
    So, this color option will NOT be available? The rep that told my Norco dealer was incorrect? Are there any options to get frame only in another color other than offered on website?

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    So, this color option will NOT be available? The rep that told my Norco dealer was incorrect? Are there any options to get frame only in another color other than offered on website?
    Depends what you mean and I don't have any inside info. The black and red frame is available in the builder (requires full build) but it shows a black Lyric as the only RS option. Maybe they'll offer more suspension kits in the future? A red Lyrik is available on the Torrent HT S1 build.

    The black/red frame doesn't appear to be offered as frame only on the site, but maybe the local rep can get you one instead of the ironman? Past years are the same, they offer 1 colour for the frameset option on the site. What your local dealer can actually get for you... I dunno.

    As for reps and info...

    I had a Norco rep (through their website) state there wasn't enough interest in custom alloy builds to have that as an option for the Sight.. low and behold the 2020 Sight alloy is available in custom alloy builds. Obviously that was a lie. Could have said, "Currently we do not offer sight alloy frames as custom builds or frame only." That would have been truthful and I wasn't asking about future models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    So, this color option will NOT be available? The rep that told my Norco dealer was incorrect? Are there any options to get frame only in another color other than offered on website?
    To get the black/red frame you have to go through the "Build Your Ride" option which is available in Canada and the US. Just about to place an order at my local shop, sounds like if you want a Carbon Sight you should do it soon or it'll be April/May instead of January/February... just deciding on the build kit now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eh steve View Post
    As for reps and info...

    I had a Norco rep (through their website) state there wasn't enough interest in custom alloy builds to have that as an option for the Sight.. low and behold the 2020 Sight alloy is available in custom alloy builds. Obviously that was a lie. Could have said, "Currently we do not offer sight alloy frames as custom builds or frame only." That would have been truthful and I wasn't asking about future models.
    Depends on when the question was asked, what the exact question was, and if you asked before the 2020s were announced; they wouldn't have been allowed to say anything to you, unless you were employed by a Norco dealer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyOrange View Post
    Depends on when the question was asked, what the exact question was, and if you asked before the 2020s were announced; they wouldn't have been allowed to say anything to you, unless you were employed by a Norco dealer.
    Yeah, obviously they couldn't disclose anything, but they can do that without lying (like my suggestion in my post you quoted). "Sorry, no custom alloys" would have been correct and truthful. "Not enough interest to warrant it" was a lie and unnecessary info.

    Maybe I was (unwittingly) hitting too close to home on the 2020 stuff, so they felt a need to mislead me? I was asking about 2019 models though (I also asked about colourway availability for the carbons, confirming they were done the 2019 run and what I saw for available colors was it). What I really wanted was an alloy frame with dvo suspension and gx drivetrain. This was before the ripmo AF was announced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eh steve View Post
    Yeah, obviously they couldn't disclose anything, but they can do that without lying (like my suggestion in my post you quoted). "Sorry, no custom alloys" would have been correct and truthful. "Not enough interest to warrant it" was a lie and unnecessary info.

    Maybe I was (unwittingly) hitting too close to home on the 2020 stuff, so they felt a need to mislead me? I was asking about 2019 models though (I also asked about colourway availability for the carbons, confirming they were done the 2019 run and what I saw for available colors was it). What I really wanted was an alloy frame with dvo suspension and gx drivetrain. This was before the ripmo AF was announced.
    You're also assuming that this "Norco Rep" actually had accurate information.

    Sounds like they didn't word it the way you liked, but you need to let this go! Hop on your bike and go for a wicked ride instead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    You're also assuming that this "Norco Rep" actually had accurate information.

    Sounds like they didn't word it the way you liked, but you need to let this go! Hop on your bike and go for a wicked ride instead!
    Hard to get tone on the internet, I don't really care and yeah quite possibly bad info on their side. My point was that you can't necessarily trust what is said from someone "official" (I thought in context of others talking about what they were told that would be obvious).

    Wonder if I ask about an alloy Optic they'll tell me there's "no demand" . Even if the new Sight climbs like a dream, it's a lot of bike. So far the people around me buying them are replacing pretty big bikes (2018 Range Carbon, 2018 Spesh Enduro, Ripmo etc).

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    Quote Originally Posted by eh steve View Post
    Hard to get tone on the internet, I don't really care and yeah quite possibly bad info on their side. My point was that you can't necessarily trust what is said from someone "official" (I thought in context of others talking about what they were told that would be obvious).

    Wonder if I ask about an alloy Optic they'll tell me there's "no demand" . Even if the new Sight climbs like a dream, it's a lot of bike. So far the people around me buying them are replacing pretty big bikes (2018 Range Carbon, 2018 Spesh Enduro, Ripmo etc).
    Yeah I was thinking about a low spec Optic but no alloy version makes it a tough sell for a second (or third) bike for me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by eh steve View Post
    Hard to get tone on the internet, I don't really care and yeah quite possibly bad info on their side. My point was that you can't necessarily trust what is said from someone "official" (I thought in context of others talking about what they were told that would be obvious).

    Wonder if I ask about an alloy Optic they'll tell me there's "no demand" . Even if the new Sight climbs like a dream, it's a lot of bike. So far the people around me buying them are replacing pretty big bikes (2018 Range Carbon, 2018 Spesh Enduro, Ripmo etc).
    150 mm rear doesnít seem like a big bike to me...Perfect balance for all mountain riding.

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    Iíd love to see an alloy optic as well.

    It seems like manufacturers that have serious geometry short travel 29íers have for some gone away from having aluminum frame options.

    Transitions smuggler is pretty similar, and used to have an AL version... but itís all carbon now. Same with the Whyte s-120.

    So perhaps they felt no one wanted an AL frame optic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cachaulo View Post
    Yeah I was thinking about a low spec Optic but no alloy version makes it a tough sell for a second (or third) bike for me.
    They do make a budget friendly aluminum Optic, they just call it the Fluid FS. It doesn't get all the goodies like the piggyback shock and different chainstay lengths for every single size, but overall they are remarkably similar. It's not quite as long, low, and slack but the seat tube angle is the same and the rest isn't off by much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by F.N.G View Post
    150 mm rear doesnít seem like a big bike to me...Perfect balance for all mountain riding.
    Travel isn't the only thing that makes a bike "big". The wheelbase has at least as much to do with a bike feeling big, as does reach. A Norco sales rep even described the bike as a "big bike".

    That said, I'm planning on rockin' this thing everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eh steve View Post
    Even if the new Sight climbs like a dream, it's a lot of bike. So far the people around me buying them are replacing pretty big bikes (2018 Range Carbon, 2018 Spesh Enduro, Ripmo etc).
    Yep - the only reason Norco isn't calling this an enduro bike is because they'll be updating the Range next year and nobody's using the term "freeride" anymore. The SB165, RM Slayer, and new Range will basically be in that category, which is frankly too much bike for racing all but the gnarliest enduros.

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    Anyone else taken one for a ride? I'm trying to justify getting one, but I have a 19' Range and a big part of me is being silly!! Are the Geo's that much better to warrant spending more money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    Iíd love to see an alloy optic as well.

    It seems like manufacturers that have serious geometry short travel 29íers have for some gone away from having aluminum frame options.

    Transitions smuggler is pretty similar, and used to have an AL version... but itís all carbon now. Same with the Whyte s-120.

    So perhaps they felt no one wanted an AL frame optic?
    I suspect that this is partially because of the weight of these burlier short travel bikes. The Optic isn't that light as a carbon bike (31 pounds in the C2 version according to Pinkbike's fieldtest). A 33-34 lb 125mm bike starts to seem pretty heavy.

    Just to add to the thread: I'm really excited to demo the Sight and Optic. I suspect that given the geometry, the Optic will be closer to what I need even if the Sight is closer in travel to my current bike. I'm excited for both though.

    One reason I suspect that there isn't much chatter is that just not many people have been on them given the timing of their announcement and stocking. They're on the top of my "to test" list for next year.

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    Yeah, there arenít any available to demo in my area.

    Iím really interested in riding the new sight, and new ripmo af. The travel for the bikes is very similar, but the ibis doesnít change the chain stay length. The different suspension platforms may feel very different though.

    For short travel bikes I want to ride the new tallboy, the optic, and the rift zone.

    Iím really glad we are seeing more nice geo short travel bikes though. The fact that the Marin rift zone comes in an alloy frame is great news for the segment. I just wish they offered a frame only option.

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    I think I'm going to get the Sight. Trying to decide on the Rockshox of Fox suspension?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aerius View Post
    They do make a budget friendly aluminum Optic, they just call it the Fluid FS. It doesn't get all the goodies like the piggyback shock and different chainstay lengths for every single size, but overall they are remarkably similar. It's not quite as long, low, and slack but the seat tube angle is the same and the rest isn't off by much.
    I dunno man, it's a pretty different bike aside from specs even. The Fluid FS has a higher bb, so if you overforked it (to match an Optic) it'd be even worse. I guess you could use an angleset headset to slack it out and drop the bb (and steepen the seat angle after overforking), then the wheelbase would be similar.. it's definitely a different geometry. Whether it rides differently? I dunno.

    Ignoring the geometry difference, I don't like the top end build on the Fluid FS (a1). It's around the same build level as the 2019 Sight A3 (similar original msrp and similar level components). For me to be interested in a Fluid FS they'd have to make an A0 model. Better hubs, better brakes, add a DHR II to match the DHF etc.

    The new Optic is the replacement for the old Sight carbon. The Fluid FS is downspec and marketed as entry level (plus no frame only option so you can build your own spec). The Optic is carbon only (though the C2 does look like an amazing bang for the buck for carbon build) and the new Sight is the replacement for the old Range.

    There is no replacement for the old Sight alloy. The obvious replacement would be an Optic alloy. Mike Levy commented, "Hopefully a less expensive alloy Optic soon..." on the PB Field Test Editors' Choice.. so maybe that's a hint?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    I think I'm going to get the Sight. Trying to decide on the Rockshox of Fox suspension?
    Personally I'd go with one of their off-the-shelf builds. The A2 is all good enough components (nothing I'd want to replace immediately.. nx shifter eventually, maybe). The 370 hubs are basic but solid. Code R brakes are great.

    The A1 build is awesome. Dt 350 hubs, lyric ultimate, code rsc brakes, full GX drivetrain (including cassette, which is costly to upgrade from NX after the fact). I think it's Norco's highest end OTS alloy build yet.

    I don't like the two drivetrain options on the custom builds right now. The SLX/XT drivetrain itself is fine, but I don't like the shimano hubs and I'd prefer code r brakes to the SLX. X01 above my pay grade.

    Thing is, with the cheapest custom alloy build you can configure, it's as much as an A1 (at least in Canada, no clue if the US builder shows the same). IMHO the A1 is better (better brakes and hubs for sure).

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    Quote Originally Posted by eh steve View Post
    Personally I'd go with one of their off-the-shelf builds. The A2 is all good enough components (nothing I'd want to replace immediately.. nx shifter eventually, maybe). The 370 hubs are basic but solid. Code R brakes are great.

    The A1 build is awesome. Dt 350 hubs, lyric ultimate, code rsc brakes, full GX drivetrain (including cassette, which is costly to upgrade from NX after the fact). I think it's Norco's highest end OTS alloy build yet.

    I don't like the two drivetrain options on the custom builds right now. The SLX/XT drivetrain itself is fine, but I don't like the shimano hubs and I'd prefer code r brakes to the SLX. X01 above my pay grade.

    Thing is, with the cheapest custom alloy build you can configure, it's as much as an A1 (at least in Canada, no clue if the US builder shows the same). IMHO the A1 is better (better brakes and hubs for sure).
    I'm definitely leaning towards the A1, but also considering the C2. Thus the question about the suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    I'm definitely leaning towards the A1, but also considering the C2. Thus the question about the suspension.
    Sorry, I don't have anything useful on one suspension setup vs the other. I know the X2 is good (plenty of friends run that and have upgraded to it) and I have 0 knowledge or experience with the "RockShox Super Deluxe Select + DebonAir". I don't think you could go wrong with either fork, but it's not like I've ridden both (Lyrik has new RC2.1 with improved rebound circuit, Fox 36 has new GRIP2 damper with 4 way adjustment).

    By looking at the rest of the build on the C2 it appears they put the money into the suspension over the drivetrain (making smart choices on the drivetrain). For me I'd go with the A1 for the brakes and hubs. I have no legit info on the Shimano hubs (could be fine) but I know the dt350 hubs are solid. I also prefer SRAM brakes (some prefer shimano, to each their own). Suspension wouldn't play into it for me, but mainly because I'm ignorant and assume they are going to be similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    I'm definitely leaning towards the A1, but also considering the C2. Thus the question about the suspension.
    I'm def liking the C2 build, although I wish it had XT brakes! I did notice it looks like the shock doesn't have a climb switch on it... I'm a little nervous about that.. I would want to ride it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windband View Post
    I'm def liking the C2 build, although I wish it had XT brakes! I did notice it looks like the shock doesn't have a climb switch on it... I'm a little nervous about that.. I would want to ride it..
    Good catch. I forgot the 2-way switch is optional on the X2. Yeah, definitely would want to try it to decide if it's right for what you ride.

    I have a friend with an X2 on his '18 spesh enduro. I have yet to see him touch it. That being said, when we ride it's pretty much all singletrack and punchy climbs.

    I have a DPX2 on my prev gen sight and I rarely use the 3-way switch. There's a smooth gravel climb to the parking lot at the local trails I will sometime lockout for at the end of a ride. I'll also go full lockout when riding on pavement with the Mac Ride (and a 40lb kid on my top tube). I used to use the trail setting for a technical switchback climb, but with my sag set to around 27% I don't need it. I was using it to stay higher in the travel, not to fight pedal bob.

    If the new sight pedals and climbs as well as people are claiming I don't think a climb switch is needed, but yeah, I'd want to try it before dropping 5K on it. The optic not having a climb switch was a shock, but apparently it doesn't need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eh steve View Post
    Good catch. I forgot the 2-way switch is optional on the X2. Yeah, definitely would want to try it to decide if it's right for what you ride.

    I have a friend with an X2 on his '18 spesh enduro. I have yet to see him touch it. That being said, when we ride it's pretty much all singletrack and punchy climbs.

    I have a DPX2 on my prev gen sight and I rarely use the 3-way switch. There's a smooth gravel climb to the parking lot at the local trails I will sometime lockout for at the end of a ride. I'll also go full lockout when riding on pavement with the Mac Ride (and a 40lb kid on my top tube). I used to use the trail setting for a technical switchback climb, but with my sag set to around 27% I don't need it. I was using it to stay higher in the travel, not to fight pedal bob.

    If the new sight pedals and climbs as well as people are claiming I don't think a climb switch is needed, but yeah, I'd want to try it before dropping 5K on it. The optic not having a climb switch was a shock, but apparently it doesn't need it.
    It makes a lot more sense on the Optic, since it's only 125mm. The Sight being an aggressive AM bike at 150mm, makes me prefer to at least have it there... I have a brand new DPX2 on a '15 Intense Tracer. I love it, but do use the switch for forest service roads and such. On the actual trail I don't use it at all. I think those X2's ride a bit softer though... I guess you can always set it up on the firm side. I would like to demo first though. And of course you can always replace it with something else later!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windband View Post
    It makes a lot more sense on the Optic, since it's only 125mm. The Sight being an aggressive AM bike at 150mm, makes me prefer to at least have it there... I have a brand new DPX2 on a '15 Intense Tracer. I love it, but do use the switch for forest service roads and such. On the actual trail I don't use it at all. I think those X2's ride a bit softer though... I guess you can always set it up on the firm side. I would like to demo first though. And of course you can always replace it with something else later!
    Hopefully you can actually demo one. Looks like parking lot demos around here until a friend takes delivery on one (and lets me try it) or a local shop gets demo/rental units. Looks like both of those are a long ways off (like 6 months away).

    The enduro-mtb review on the C2 said:

    "The rear suspension generates a lot of traction on the climbs without excessive pedal bob, which is a good thing, since thereís no climb switch on the shock. Overall, the Norco is a brilliant climber and the front wheel always remained calm and in control on technical climbs."
    But then they put no climbing switch as a con (with zero context). Į\_(ツ)_/Į

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    Quote Originally Posted by eh steve View Post
    Hopefully you can actually demo one. Looks like parking lot demos around here until a friend takes delivery on one (and lets me try it) or a local shop gets demo/rental units. Looks like both of those are a long ways off (like 6 months away).

    The enduro-mtb review on the C2 said:



    But then they put no climbing switch as a con (with zero context). Į\_(ツ)_/Į
    Well we'll see how it goes. I live in the PNW, US, so we won't be doing a ton of riding, as winter is coming. I'm not planning on buying a new rig until maybe late summer/early fall. Hopefully I can demo some things before then. I'm also looking at the Nukeproof Mega 275...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windband View Post
    Well we'll see how it goes. I live in the PNW, US, so we won't be doing a ton of riding, as winter is coming. I'm not planning on buying a new rig until maybe late summer/early fall. Hopefully I can demo some things before then. I'm also looking at the Nukeproof Mega 275...
    I'm in the PNW as well (but Canada). Yeah it's wet, but that's not what's stopping me. Friends are going riding today and I can't due to a broken toe .

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    Quote Originally Posted by eh steve View Post
    I'm in the PNW as well (but Canada). Yeah it's wet, but that's not what's stopping me. Friends are going riding today and I can't due to a broken toe .
    Sorry to hear that. We've been dry for a few days, so we prob could go tomorrow. Normally when it's real wet I don't like to jack up the trails with too much riding.

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    My Norco dealer just told me that they have decided not to sell the 2020 Norco sight AL as a frame only option. Anyone hear the same?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredur View Post
    My Norco dealer just told me that they have decided not to sell the 2020 Norco sight AL as a frame only option. Anyone hear the same?


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    You should be able to order from Norco direct. Their site says "add to cart"... IDK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windband View Post
    You should be able to order from Norco direct. Their site says "add to cart"... IDK.
    Yeah it still shows on the website. Just sold out. I donít see any reason why they would decide not to offer it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredur View Post
    Yeah it still shows on the website. Just sold out. I donít see any reason why they would decide not to offer it.


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    Not sold out, the 2020s haven't really started shipping yet! They just launched. Give them time to get inventory!

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    I havenít checked with my local dealer yet.

    But Iíd assume you can order online from norcos website, and it would be delivered to you through your dealer... right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    I havenít checked with my local dealer yet.

    But Iíd assume you can order online from norcos website, and it would be delivered to you through your dealer... right?
    Should be able to. I was just trying to buy one at my local dealer and they told me that they were discontinued.


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    I just confirmed with Norco that there will not be an AL frame only option for the 2020 model year. Ripmo AF it is then!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredur View Post
    I just confirmed with Norco that there will not be an AL frame only option for the 2020 model year. Ripmo AF it is then!


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    Norco itself, not a local dealer?

    I had emailed Norco support a week or two ago about fitment, and post mount dimensions and got a reply pretty quickly. So I just replied to that same thread, and asked if they will have a 2020 AL sight frame only.

    Guess we'll see if I get the same information back?

    And yeah, if this is true (having no frame only option) would leave me in a bit of a lurch, as that was totally what I was planning on buying (if I bought).

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    I emailed Norco directly after speaking with the dealer. I was dead set on the Sight as well. I already have good components that I would like to move over.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredur View Post
    I emailed Norco directly after speaking with the dealer. I was dead set on the Sight as well. I already have good components that I would like to move over.


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    Last time is checked at my LBS, the distributor still had a frameset listed for sale but there was no stock yet, this is in Canada and was a few weeks ago... It's also still listed online at the Canadian Norco site. I doubt it would be if there was no plan to offer it.

    If you're in the US and can't get one, send North Shore Bike Shop an email (north shore bike shop at gmail com, no spaces at symbol and add a .) and they'll get you sorted out. Also, if you're from the PNW, they're in North Vancouver BC and they're going to have a full size run of A1 demo bikes to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredur View Post
    I just confirmed with Norco that there will not be an AL frame only option for the 2020 model year. Ripmo AF it is then!


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    I hope this isnt true, was planning on ordering as soon as stock was available and building up over the winter.....already cancelled a ripmo frame order to facilitate this one instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by rajcoont View Post
    I hope this isnt true, was planning on ordering as soon as stock was available and building up over the winter.....already cancelled a ripmo frame order to facilitate this one instead

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    Boooo. I was wondering if that was the case (too many orders).

    On the one hand, thats great news. It means the new bikes are selling well, and people like them, and we may get more build kits/frame only options in the future.

    On the other hand... I may not own one next year. I may have to wait another year... which is probably for the better, honestly, as I've not been on my Kona all that long.

    Guess that gives me time to see what else comes out, and to make sure I demo everything I can find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ocnLogan View Post
    Boooo. I was wondering if that was the case (too many orders).

    On the one hand, thats great news. It means the new bikes are selling well, and people like them, and we may get more build kits/frame only options in the future.

    On the other hand... I may not own one next year. I may have to wait another year... which is probably for the better, honestly, as I've not been on my Kona all that long.

    Guess that gives me time to see what else comes out, and to make sure I demo everything I can find.
    Yeah Iím trying to decide wether to keep my Slash or go for the Ripmo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredur View Post
    Yeah Iím trying to decide wether to keep my Slash or go for the Ripmo.


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    Just got my response to my email about the "rumor" that I sent in a few days ago.


    Jeremy Axon (Norco Bicycles)

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    Hi <ocnLogan.

    It seems that the rumors are unfortunately true. Apparently there was little interest expressed by our dealers, and the frame-only option has been cancelled. An aluminum version will be available for full custom builds in our Build Your Ride program, though.

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    So, same result... but, kind of sounds like they're saying that the problem isn't too many orders of complete builds, but instead lack of interest?

    Not sure it matters much, to be honest. Although maybe if there is no interest, then maybe there won't be AL frame only options in the future? Hard to tell.

    Still excited to test ride the bike though. I was just hoping to save some cash, by bringing in most of the components, and not having to deal with SX eagle/etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredur View Post




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    Thanks for heads up....total bummer!

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    Just placed an order for a L 29 frame. Super stoked. Moving parts over from a Smuggler, so drivetrain and wheels will be upgraded at some point, but my starting build will be...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    Just placed an order for a L 29 frame. Super stoked. Moving parts over from a Smuggler, so drivetrain and wheels will be upgraded at some point, but my starting build will be...

    Lyrik Ultimate
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    Sweet, congrats! That's a really solid build! Where/how did you order it? What is the process? Thanks,

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    I've ordered the Sight A1, won't be in until the end of Dec., but I'm guessing it'll be the New year. Sounds like they're selling quickly! The A1 has nothing that I'd want to change out, maybe the dropper post when it/if dies. I briefly considered the C2, but I think the components are way better on the A1. Plus I don't like yellow bikes, so that made it an easy decision.
    The A1 is a beautiful blue, looks great in person. Now I just have to play the waiting game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windband View Post
    Sweet, congrats! That's a really solid build! Where/how did you order it? What is the process? Thanks,
    I think so too. Best part is paying for it all with parts lying around my garage. Worst part, again, is waiting.

    Just went to my local Norco dealer and told him what I wanted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    I think so too. Best part is paying for it all with parts lying around my garage. Worst part, again, is waiting.

    Just went to my local Norco dealer and told him what I wanted.
    Awesome! Post a review after you ride it!!

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    Super bummed about them axing the AL frame only. I can't justify the price of the carbon, and the used part market where I am is super lame, so I won't even be able to recoup much of the cost if I get a complete build and strip it.

    I guess people who wanted AL frame only options were in the minority. Hopefully after the first wave of orders they bring it back?

    Oh well :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notbn View Post
    Super bummed about them axing the AL frame only. I can't justify the price of the carbon, and the used part market where I am is super lame, so I won't even be able to recoup much of the cost if I get a complete build and strip it.

    I guess people who wanted AL frame only options were in the minority. Hopefully after the first wave of orders they bring it back?

    Oh well :/
    What about the A1? I understand if it's out of your budget...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notbn View Post
    Super bummed about them axing the AL frame only. I can't justify the price of the carbon, and the used part market where I am is super lame, so I won't even be able to recoup much of the cost if I get a complete build and strip it.

    I guess people who wanted AL frame only options were in the minority. Hopefully after the first wave of orders they bring it back?

    Oh well :/
    What size frame do you need? Chainreaction cycles has a Nukeproof Mega 275 Frame in XL for only $1399! Also an alloy XL for $1100.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredur View Post
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    Yes. But they have brand new 2020 alloy 29er frames for $1800!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windband View Post
    What about the A1? I understand if it's out of your budget...
    It isn't necessarily, but I already have a nice lyrik and perfectly serviceable parts from my current build, was hoping I could just grab a frame only and call it a day.

    Easier for me than selling my complete bike and having to wade through a sea of low ballers on PB. Plus like I said the used scene around me is very biased towards buyers, not sellers. Can get some great deals buying, but if you're selling, it's hard to find a buyer that is willing to pay market price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Notbn View Post
    It isn't necessarily, but I already have a nice lyrik and perfectly serviceable parts from my current build, was hoping I could just grab a frame only and call it a day.

    Easier for me than selling my complete bike and having to wade through a sea of low ballers on PB. Plus like I said the used scene around me is very biased towards buyers, not sellers. Can get some great deals buying, but if you're selling, it's hard to find a buyer that is willing to pay market price.
    Yeah that totally makes sense.

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    The A1 comes with e*thirteen LG1 EN rims. Can't find info on their website. I'm guessing it's an aluminum rim 30mm internal width? Anyone have any further info?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    The A1 comes with e*thirteen LG1 EN rims. Can't find info on their website. I'm guessing it's an aluminum rim 30mm internal width? Anyone have any further info?
    The EN just means Enduro. It is an alloy, 30mm internal, enduro rim, 6 bolt, 28 spoke. Intense uses them on their bikes too. https://www.ethirteen.com/collection...lg1-enduro-rim

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windband View Post
    The EN just means Enduro. It is an alloy, 30mm internal, enduro rim, 6 bolt, 28 spoke. Intense uses them on their bikes too. https://www.ethirteen.com/collection...lg1-enduro-rim
    Thanks for the link.

    "Entry level" rims, doesn't sound very inspiring! I guess we'll see how they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windband View Post
    The EN just means Enduro. It is an alloy, 30mm internal, enduro rim, 6 bolt, 28 spoke. Intense uses them on their bikes too. https://www.ethirteen.com/collection...lg1-enduro-rim
    32 hole

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    anyone have any ride reports and impressions?

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    Don't sweat it. If the rim strength is anything like the e*13 TRS rims that came on my Range, you'll be replacing them soon anyways ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamper11 View Post
    anyone have any ride reports and impressions?
    Yep, Iíve ridden both the A1 in large and A2 in medium. With my XT pedals they were 15.95kg(A1-L) and 16.49kg(A2-M) on some luggage scales. Iím 174cm so Norco say M or L on ride aligned, the L is a big bike though, itís got the same wheelbase as an XL Megatower which seems crazy for someone of my height. My reservation is the short effective top tube on the Medium.
    On the trail both bikes felt surprisingly poppy, Iím not great at jumping but they both left the ground easier than my M trance. Out of the box the A1 ride aligned setup felt a bit better, I slowed the rebound on the A2ís X2 a touch. They climb really well, you wonít set any KOMs but the pedalling feels really efficient with little bob. Descending took some getting used to but once I worked out you need to really lean the bike to get it to turn it was a lot of fun, they really came alive on the steeper tracks I rode and felt really confidence inspiring. For me itíll be my main bike so Iím thinking Iíll buck the size up trend and go with the Medium C2, it just felt more manageable on tighter trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anth08 View Post
    Yep, Iíve ridden both the A1 in large and A2 in medium. With my XT pedals they were 15.95kg(A1-L) and 16.49kg(A2-M) on some luggage scales. Iím 174cm so Norco say M or L on ride aligned, the L is a big bike though, itís got the same wheelbase as an XL Megatower which seems crazy for someone of my height. My reservation is the short effective top tube on the Medium.
    On the trail both bikes felt surprisingly poppy, Iím not great at jumping but they both left the ground easier than my M trance. Out of the box the A1 ride aligned setup felt a bit better, I slowed the rebound on the A2ís X2 a touch. They climb really well, you wonít set any KOMs but the pedalling feels really efficient with little bob. Descending took some getting used to but once I worked out you need to really lean the bike to get it to turn it was a lot of fun, they really came alive on the steeper tracks I rode and felt really confidence inspiring. For me itíll be my main bike so Iím thinking Iíll buck the size up trend and go with the Medium C2, it just felt more manageable on tighter trails.
    Thanks mate, that is very helpful. They're very interesting bikes, but honestly, I'm a little nervous to ride something with a 1259 wheel base!! I'm 6', so I would take a large... What are you then, 5' 8"? I would def NOT go up to a large, if I was 5' 8". I'll see if I can demo one sometime in the next 6 months. I'm really looking at a Nukeproof Mega 275, to be honest.
    Thanks for the review!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shlotch View Post
    Don't sweat it. If the rim strength is anything like the e*13 TRS rims that came on my Range, you'll be replacing them soon anyways ;-)
    Fantastic!!

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    I picked up an A2 and have set up under the ride aligned measurements for 68kg. I've noticed though looking at Fox recommendations their rebound settings are very different.

    For example, ride aligned is saying 21 out on float X2 shock rebound vs about 12 from Fox (note max is about 23). Does ride aligned sound a bit too fast?

    For the 36 rhythm ride aligned suggests 8 whereas Fox suggests about 12 again for rebound. This time around ride aligned is suggesting a slower setting than fox's recommendations. Confusing!

    Does anyone have experience on what you used as they are drastically different and I'm feeling like the shock especially is probably too fast.

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    Ride Aligned told me 20 for the A2 demo bike, think I ended up at about 18, could even go a bit slower. I noticed the fox recommendations are quite different as well, coincidentally the 18 out setting is what fox recommend with air pressure set to my body weight (160lbs) so maybe the shock has a custom tune, or it could be to do with the linkage ratio, you have to run a much higher air pressure than the fox recommendation. Guessing this is the fox doc?
    https://www.ridefox.com/dl/bike/605-...Guide-revA.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by BekzD View Post
    I picked up an A2 and have set up under the ride aligned measurements for 68kg. I've noticed though looking at Fox recommendations their rebound settings are very different.

    For example, ride aligned is saying 21 out on float X2 shock rebound vs about 12 from Fox (note max is about 23). Does ride aligned sound a bit too fast?

    For the 36 rhythm ride aligned suggests 8 whereas Fox suggests about 12 again for rebound. This time around ride aligned is suggesting a slower setting than fox's recommendations. Confusing!

    Does anyone have experience on what you used as they are drastically different and I'm feeling like the shock especially is probably too fast.
    It's a baseline setup, everyone is a bit different. I talked to one guy and he said that the recommended settings were bang on, another had to alter his settings (he has a longer torso and short legs).

    I would go with Norco's recommendations, and make micro adjustments to dial it in for you. Fox is very generic and can't factor in the different bike designs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BekzD View Post
    I picked up an A2 and have set up under the ride aligned measurements for 68kg. I've noticed though looking at Fox recommendations their rebound settings are very different.

    For example, ride aligned is saying 21 out on float X2 shock rebound vs about 12 from Fox (note max is about 23). Does ride aligned sound a bit too fast?

    For the 36 rhythm ride aligned suggests 8 whereas Fox suggests about 12 again for rebound. This time around ride aligned is suggesting a slower setting than fox's recommendations. Confusing!

    Does anyone have experience on what you used as they are drastically different and I'm feeling like the shock especially is probably too fast.
    It's very likely the Norco version has a bit of a custom tune. Usually FOX aftermarket suspension is set up in a general "medium" tune. Get the four digit code from your fork and shock and plug them in on the FOX web site. It will tell you everything that is inside your kit (how it's tuned).
    https://www.ridefox.com/fox17/help.p...ke&ref=bc_help

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    OP's nailed it. I have this fork in the 36 performance Grip sweep damper. Also a Marz Bomber Z2.

    I have the 36 on my ripper hardtail and find 8-10 from closed is the proper range. 12 was too fast. On the Marz, recommendations are same - but I ride it at 11 from closed.

    Just start at the recommended and 1 click at a time from there. Once I hit that pogo/deflect feel - I back off 1 to 2 clicks and good to go.

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    I have been following this thread because the sight popped onto my radar because I am a fan of Norco and it seems like the bike I am looking for. I demoed a Megatower XL and really liked the way it made feeling riding it but I canít justify the price. I am a point and shoot and hope for the best rider. Can anyone give some insight between the Range C1 and the Sight A1. I have talked with Chris at Norco and he said that the Sight will take up most of the Range purchases and that it was ďnext levelĒ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barch1982 View Post
    I have been following this thread because the sight popped onto my radar because I am a fan of Norco and it seems like the bike I am looking for. I demoed a Megatower XL and really liked the way it made feeling riding it but I canít justify the price. I am a point and shoot and hope for the best rider. Can anyone give some insight between the Range C1 and the Sight A1. I have talked with Chris at Norco and he said that the Sight will take up most of the Range purchases and that it was ďnext levelĒ.
    As you can see, the Range is a big susp bike (in the 275 size)! As such I would only go for something like that if I absolutely needed that kind of suspension. I personally do not! So it really comes down to what you really need from a bike. It's also important to note that the Range is outdated, from a geo point of view! Judging by that alone, I would bet it climbs like a pig. Seat angle is way too slack! The Sight is much more modern and progressive in its geo and is very intriguing. It's on my short list for my new bike next year for sure... Even if you needed big susp, I don't think I'd consider the Range because of the geo. It's too old! Looking at the Optic and Sight, both very modern geo, I'm sure Norco will do a big redesign on the Range for 2021! Cheers.

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    Thanks for the responses everyone. I was looking at the generic fox charts and it makes sense different tunes for OEM parts. Unfortunately the code I have for the shock doesn't come up with a doc but I'm going to run with Norcos settings and experiment dialling back 1 or 2 clicks for the shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barch1982 View Post
    I have been following this thread because the sight popped onto my radar because I am a fan of Norco and it seems like the bike I am looking for. I demoed a Megatower XL and really liked the way it made feeling riding it but I canít justify the price. I am a point and shoot and hope for the best rider. Can anyone give some insight between the Range C1 and the Sight A1. I have talked with Chris at Norco and he said that the Sight will take up most of the Range purchases and that it was ďnext levelĒ.
    I have the XL Range 29er, it climb well for what it is, but on the steeper stuff you have to lean forward a fair bit to keep the front end down. I've talked to alot of people that have ridden the Range and the new Sights. They all state that it climbs significantly better, and is slightly better descending than the Range. Some state the Range may feel more secure in some very rough terrain. I like the Range for descending, but I want a bike that climbs better. If I was just climbing fire roads I don't think I'd sell my Range to get the Sight.

    I was told the Sight C2 XL 29ers are sold out already and they have 3 A1 XL 29ers left. I'm glad I got my order in! Should be arriving in Jan sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BekzD View Post
    Thanks for the responses everyone. I was looking at the generic fox charts and it makes sense different tunes for OEM parts. Unfortunately the code I have for the shock doesn't come up with a doc but I'm going to run with Norcos settings and experiment dialling back 1 or 2 clicks for the shock.
    That's fine. Always set up and ride "for feel". All those suggested settings are just to get you in the ball park. Then you can set it the way you like!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    I was told the Sight C2 XL 29ers are sold out already and they have 3 A1 XL 29ers left. I'm glad I got my order in! Should be arriving in Jan sometime.
    I'm assuming shipments will come in waves. That's common in manufacturing. They can't be literally sold out. It's a brand new bike and it's not even 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windband View Post
    I'm assuming shipments will come in waves. That's common in manufacturing. They can't be literally sold out. It's a brand new bike and it's not even 2020.
    I'm not sure, a bike store that primarily sells Norco, stated they don't know if they'll have any Sights to sell in the spring.
    They're selling quick!!

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    As I understand it - next frame shipment expected in March. But likely will not offer alloy frame only as was originally optioned - complete builds or the build your Sight options only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamper11 View Post
    As I understand it - next frame shipment expected in March. But likely will not offer alloy frame only as was originally optioned - complete builds or the build your Sight options only.
    Well hopefully Norco didn't plan that poorly, and will have a decent number of models well into 2020... I did hear that info regarding the change of mind, on that alloy frame set.

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    I appreciate the feedback. Being that you ride an XL Range do you feel you would ride the same on a Sight?. I have heard that the A1 is the best bang for your buck. Is it that much better than the A2? The local shop is trying to scare me away from a NX build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barch1982 View Post
    I appreciate the feedback. Being that you ride an XL Range do you feel you would ride the same on a Sight?. I have heard that the A1 is the best bang for your buck. Is it that much better than the A2? The local shop is trying to scare me away from a NX build.
    Yeah mate, if you can swing it, the A1 is just a better bike all around. Better susp, better brakes, better drive train, better hubs on the wheel set, nicer handlebars. You can upgrade that rear hub to a 54t ratchet for a really nice engagement. And I don't hear very good things about the NX drive train. The shop isn't lying to you... I'd try to do the A1, if you can!

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