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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    Store said the same thing to me! So I contacted the guy that's heavily involved in the Ride Aligned, this was his response;

    "See sizing chart from Norco's website.* A significant amount of thought was put into this chart from a development perspective.

    XL Sight will feel similar to current XL Range standing.* XL Sight will feel more upright / hands closer to seat seated than your XL Range.* L is going to be too restricted seated and standing."

    I measured the distance between mid handlebar (at the stem) and mid seatpost, the Sight is 665mm and the Range is 685mm, so the Range is 20mm longer. The reach for Sight is 515mm and the Range is 479mm. So obviously this number mean nothing to me, what I do know is, the Sight feels the same sitting as the Range and feels better standing(the Sight)

    I rode a sz L and it was definitely too cramped for me.

    Hope this is helpful.
    I'm exactly the same height as you. So this is good to know .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    Store said the same thing to me! So I contacted the guy that's heavily involved in the Ride Aligned, this was his response;

    "See sizing chart from Norco's website.* A significant amount of thought was put into this chart from a development perspective.

    XL Sight will feel similar to current XL Range standing.* XL Sight will feel more upright / hands closer to seat seated than your XL Range.* L is going to be too restricted seated and standing."

    I measured the distance between mid handlebar (at the stem) and mid seatpost, the Sight is 665mm and the Range is 685mm, so the Range is 20mm longer. The reach for Sight is 515mm and the Range is 479mm. So obviously these number mean nothing to me, what I do know is, the Sight feels the same sitting as the Range and feels better standing(the Sight)

    I rode a sz L and it was definitely too cramped for me.
    I think everyone is looking at these long reaches/wheelbase and don't understand the bikes fit as a whole(I certainly don't, but I don't care) The XL feel comfortable and I definitely don't feel stretched out.

    Hope this is helpful.
    Great info.

    I think a lot of people are having a tough time listening to Norcoís RA guide. Iím 5í9Ē and am squarely on a Large which isnít totally crazy but itís hard to let it sink in after looking at the (big) numbers. But if I pull the trigger on one, Iíll follow their lead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KGAmoto View Post
    Great info.

    I think a lot of people are having a tough time listening to Norcoís RA guide. Iím 5í9Ē and am squarely on a Large which isnít totally crazy but itís hard to let it sink in after looking at the (big) numbers. But if I pull the trigger on one, Iíll follow their lead.


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    I am 5'10.5" and ride both 2020 Med Sight and Optic. Both bikes running a 40mm stem. Note, I do have a longer torso than legs (32 inseams).

    I am an a gravity rider and personally think the larges would be too long for my riding style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FCLINDER View Post
    I am 5'10.5" and ride both 2020 Med Sight and Optic. Both bikes running a 40mm stem. Note, I do have a longer torso than legs (32 inseams).

    I am an a gravity rider and personally think the larges would be too long for my riding style.
    Looking at the size chart it has you at large(middle+ spectrum). Your knees must come very close to your handlebars with you're seated.

    I have a 33" inseam at 6'1". So I have longer torso to. I'm riding Fromme and Seymour(North Shore)mostly, what do you consider a "Gravity rider"? I can't see how that changes on riding a smaller frame, unless you want something you can throw around easier.

    Did you demo a large?

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    I suggest to take into account the wheelbase and also if you ride mostly very fast trails. At some point, a very long bike can be slower/less fun for your everyday trails. Take a look at the tall enduro proriders of specialized (https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/feat...1880/sspomer,2), even if they are 6'4'' and 6'3'' tall, they choose the S4 size (even if theyre a S5...). Personnaly I am 6'1'' and have the A1 large and the cockpit is not too cramped when seated and spot on for me when descending. Sure, if your are not 'gravity oriented', I suggest the Optic (more fun on flat/climbs and best price for the same components).

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    Using pro riders size choices is a little like using their suspension settings. Maybe a good idea for some, likely not for most. Pro riders have a considerable skill advantage over most of us and need less stability out of their bikes. Iím not saying everyone needs to be on a bigger bike, but I think there are better metrics than what pros are riding to make that decision. Plus, my experience gives me high confidence that Norco knows what theyíre doing in their chart and RA settings, in most scenarios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimonTremblay View Post
    I suggest to take into account the wheelbase and also if you ride mostly very fast trails. At some point, a very long bike can be slower/less fun for your everyday trails. Take a look at the tall enduro proriders of specialized (https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/feat...1880/sspomer,2), even if they are 6'4'' and 6'3'' tall, they choose the S4 size (even if theyre a S5...). Personnaly I am 6'1'' and have the A1 large and the cockpit is not too cramped when seated and spot on for me when descending. Sure, if your are not 'gravity oriented', I suggest the Optic (more fun on flat/climbs and best price for the same components).
    I find it odd that the 6'4" and the 5'11" are both on the S4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    Using pro riders size choices is a little like using their suspension settings. Maybe a good idea for some, likely not for most. Pro riders have a considerable skill advantage over most of us and need less stability out of their bikes. Iím not saying everyone needs to be on a bigger bike, but I think there are better metrics than what pros are riding to make that decision. Plus, my experience gives me high confidence that Norco knows what theyíre doing in their chart and RA settings, in most scenarios.
    Agreed! Their engineers and RA specialist knows way more than I care to ever know.

    I let a shop talk me into get a Norco Range SZ large a couple years ago. It was too small and I had the additional expense of getting an XL frame. I trust Norco size chart.
    With progression come change, and using logic from previous Geo's is irrelevant.

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    Ordered a XL A1 after trying both the Sight C2 & Optic back to back a few days ago. I liked the steeper seat tube angle right away on the Sight. Look forward to it, been riding Hardtails for way too long.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt-nerd View Post
    Ordered a XL A1 after trying both the Sight C2 & Optic back to back a few days ago. I liked the steeper seat tube angle right away on the Sight. Look forward to it, been riding Hardtails for way too long.


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    Congrats!

    I've got the same one. What kind of terrain are you riding with it?

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    West coast technical roots to downhill specific trails. Locally it seems riding gravel roads to the downhill is getting popular so some of that too. I ordered the bike to pre-ride local enduro races with my oldest son, riding a hardtail is fun but some of the race courses beat me up!
    The only catch for me ordering the bike was color, Norco said they are out of XL A1 menís. They had 1 sky blue XL left.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt-nerd View Post
    West coast technical roots to downhill specific trails. Locally it seems riding gravel roads to the downhill is getting popular so some of that too. I ordered the bike to pre-ride local enduro races with my oldest son, riding a hardtail is fun but some of the race courses beat me up!
    The only catch for me ordering the bike was color, Norco said they are out of XL A1 menís. They had 1 sky blue XL left.....


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    Nice! Sounds ideal. Yeah, I don't think they made too many XL's in the darker blue. I ordered mine a day or two after the website showed them as available. The next day it said they were unavailable again.

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    Huh, No way. I'd have never thought they'd do full sizing in the womens model. Good for them.

    I don't think you'll be disappointed. That's going to show up as a pretty bike either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-t-g View Post
    Huh, No way. I'd have never thought they'd do full sizing in the womens model. Good for them.

    I don't think you'll be disappointed. That's going to show up as a pretty bike either way.
    Zero difference with the "Women's" builds aside from the seat (and maybe grips?). Full size range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FCLINDER View Post
    I am 5'10.5" and ride both 2020 Med Sight and Optic. Both bikes running a 40mm stem. Note, I do have a longer torso than legs (32 inseams).

    I am an a gravity rider and personally think the larges would be too long for my riding style.
    Apart from sizing, how do you like your Optic and your Sight? What are the differences / similarities? I currently own a 2020 Optic and think about changing my enduro bike to either a Sight or ... something else. I'm especially interested in the behaviour of the rear suspension. How do they compare?

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    2020 Sight

    If anyone is looking to upgrade their shock from the base model, Iím selling my Factory X2. To clarify, the X2 is a 55mm stroke with a 2.5mm travel reducer, as comes with all the models that have X2s on them.

    https://m.pinkbike.com/buysell/2725026/


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    Iím curious if anyone has a confirmed weight on a 2020 Sight Carbon frame? Iíd be most interested in an XL.

    Flow MTBís review said 3.8kg for frame+shock, and they were on a medium. Thatís about 8.4lbs. In contrast, my XL Ripmo frame came in at 6.7lbs. Given Norco (quite rightly) uses burlier carbon and bigger tubes on the larger sizes, I could see the XL sight being over 9lbs. Thatís a lot for a carbon frame!

    No weight weenie here, and I know this is not a bike designed to prioritize weight. Hell I actually broke a Ripmo frame so go figure. But 2+lbs is a big difference in a frame, and would be heavier than a lot of alloy frames on the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
    Iím curious if anyone has a confirmed weight on a 2020 Sight Carbon frame? Iíd be most interested in an XL.

    Flow MTBís review said 3.8kg for frame+shock, and they were on a medium. Thatís about 8.4lbs. In contrast, my XL Ripmo frame came in at 6.7lbs. Given Norco (quite rightly) uses burlier carbon and bigger tubes on the larger sizes, I could see the XL sight being over 9lbs. Thatís a lot for a carbon frame!

    No weight weenie here, and I know this is not a bike designed to prioritize weight. Hell I actually broke a Ripmo frame so go figure. But 2+lbs is a big difference in a frame, and would be heavier than a lot of alloy frames on the market.
    Sorry, no direct answer to your question, but the Sight is a bit chunky. Mine is a medium and is still well over 33lbs in the C1 Shimano/Fox build with a few tidbits changed for lighter pieces than stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    If anyone is looking to upgrade their shock from the base model, Iím selling my Factory X2. To clarify, the X2 is a 55mm stroke with a 2.5mm travel reducer, as comes with all the models that have X2s on them.

    https://m.pinkbike.com/buysell/2725026/

    What are you running now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coiler-d View Post
    What are you running now?
    A custom tuned DPX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    A custom tuned DPX.
    How is that working out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by coiler-d View Post
    How is that working out?
    Early returns have been good. I had the X2 and 36 balanced pretty well, though I didnít like how the X2 was using its travel. Work to do now that I have much better midstroke out of the DPX - I can actually drop pressure in the fork.

    My issue with the X2 was that Iíd blow thru travel to a hard ramp at the bottom. I tried everything... different RA settings, a Shockwiz... All that energy would then get thrown forward into the fork, which I had to run fairly stiff.

    Iím running less air in my tuned DPX and stay in the mid in more situations. The ramp starts a little earlier and feels way less harsh, given the air I need to run to get the support I want, when compared with the X2.

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    Couple rides in (40+ km) & so far really good. See how it goes after a month or two.
    Definitely a solid trail bike, perfect for my type of riding.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt-nerd View Post

    Couple rides in (40+ km) & so far really good. See how it goes after a month or two.
    Definitely a solid trail bike, perfect for my type of riding.


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    Wow, that colour looks really good in natural light!

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    Iíve put a couple rides on my C2, and man, sheís baaaaaad. Iím thinking of going the coil route. What do you guys suggest? I like the idea of a more price friendly option like the Marzocchi Bomber or X Fusion HC3, but thereís always the DHX2 and the other standbys. What do people think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lando406 View Post
    Iíve put a couple rides on my C2, and man, sheís baaaaaad. Iím thinking of going the coil route. What do you guys suggest? I like the idea of a more price friendly option like the Marzocchi Bomber or X Fusion HC3, but thereís always the DHX2 and the other standbys. What do people think?
    Like bad bad? Or bad bad?

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    Like, the best bike Iíve ever ridden

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    Quote Originally Posted by lando406 View Post
    Like, the best bike Iíve ever ridden
    Nice

    I'd also be curious to hear about coils on these. Wondering if you'd have to run a progressive spring due to the leverage ratio?

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    Quote Originally Posted by percivilla View Post
    Nice

    I'd also be curious to hear about coils on these. Wondering if you'd have to run a progressive spring due to the leverage ratio?
    Not with the 2020 models afaik

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    Just bolted on the 35 mm long OneUp stem to my C2 size large. At 5-9, I feel like the size fits great, but the shorter stem helps the bike feel a little zippier. Iím very happy with the subtle change.

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    After waiting for 2 months, I just found out from Evans (UK distributor) that they're not going to get any A1 29 in size XL, ever.

    All other versions of the Sight are available in XL but the A1...lucky me.... should I just go with the 27.5 version?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lando406 View Post
    Just bolted on the 35 mm long OneUp stem to my C2 size large. At 5-9, I feel like the size fits great, but the shorter stem helps the bike feel a little zippier. Iím very happy with the subtle change.
    Same boat. Big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaniardclimber View Post
    After waiting for 2 months, I just found out from Evans (UK distributor) that they're not going to get any A1 29 in size XL, ever.

    All other versions of the Sight are available in XL but the A1...lucky me.... should I just go with the 27.5 version?
    Really depends on how bad you want a 29er. At this moment, the website has a Women's A3 29XL in stock!! You could get that and upgrade it to your liking. Or if you have to have a 29er you'll have to go carbon or go to another brand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windband View Post
    Really depends on how bad you want a 29er. At this moment, the website has a Women's A3 29XL in stock!! You could get that and upgrade it to your liking. Or if you have to have a 29er you'll have to go carbon or go to another brand...
    I wonder if anyone has ridden both and can compare...
    Iíd like 29 because seems more future proof as thatís where the market seems to head, been riding 29ers since they came out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaniardclimber View Post
    I wonder if anyone has ridden both and can compare...
    Iíd like 29 because seems more future proof as thatís where the market seems to head, been riding 29ers since they came out...
    Hmm you might not like going back to 275 then. Have you ridden one lately? That's what I prefer, but you're obvs used to riding 29ers. How tall are you? Does it have to be Norco? There are some pretty awesome 29ers out there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windband View Post
    Hmm you might not like going back to 275 then. Have you ridden one lately? That's what I prefer, but you're obvs used to riding 29ers. How tall are you? Does it have to be Norco? There are some pretty awesome 29ers out there...
    I had a 27.5 ht a few years back that I didnít like, it was a bit small for me so that didnít help.

    Iím 185cm which I think is 6ft.

    Iím getting the bike through a ride to work scheme with Evans, so I can only get the bikes they carry.

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    What about the A2? Personally I'd be hard pressed to spend the extra dosh for the A1 when the A2 exists. There's great value in both, and that "low end" fox stuff is incredible performance for the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaniardclimber View Post
    I had a 27.5 ht a few years back that I didnít like, it was a bit small for me so that didnít help.

    Iím 185cm which I think is 6ft.

    Iím getting the bike through a ride to work scheme with Evans, so I can only get the bikes they carry.
    Why don't you go with a Large 29er then? I know the new Norco sizing is different, but 6' should still fit a Large fine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaniardclimber View Post
    I had a 27.5 ht a few years back that I didnít like, it was a bit small for me so that didnít help.

    Iím 185cm which I think is 6ft.

    Iím getting the bike through a ride to work scheme with Evans, so I can only get the bikes they carry.
    185cm = 6'1"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windband View Post
    Why don't you go with a Large 29er then? I know the new Norco sizing is different, but 6' should still fit a Large fine...
    For my heigh I'm right in the XL, the issue is that Evans are completely useless, I've been trying to demo any Sight in XL to check if it's my size or not, but the haven't been able to provide it. It's like speaking to a wall.

    I might demo an XL and find it too big, but I want to demo it first before discarding it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-t-g View Post
    What about the A2? Personally I'd be hard pressed to spend the extra dosh for the A1 when the A2 exists. There's great value in both, and that "low end" fox stuff is incredible performance for the money.
    I like to service my suspensions and Fox is not easy to do at home. OTOH I'm buying it through a ride to work scheme and I already got the certificate for the A1's value..

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaniardclimber View Post
    For my heigh I'm right in the XL, the issue is that Evans are completely useless, I've been trying to demo any Sight in XL to check if it's my size or not, but the haven't been able to provide it. It's like speaking to a wall.

    I might demo an XL and find it too big, but I want to demo it first before discarding it.
    I'm the same height as you. I have the 29 XL, feels perfect to me!

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    For those of you that have the RockShox Lyrik Ultimate 160mm travel, how much sanction is exposed from seal to crown at a resting state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    For those of you that have the RockShox Lyrik Ultimate 160mm travel, how much sanction is exposed from seal to crown at a resting state?
    Do you mean off the bike or sitting on the bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windband View Post
    Do you mean off the bike or sitting on the bike?
    Off the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    Off the bike.
    Approx 160-165mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windband View Post
    Approx 160-165mm.
    That's what mine was, now it's 150-155mm???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    That's what mine was, now it's 150-155mm???
    Yes, that's a problem. What has changed recently? Sounds like your positive and negative chambers are out of balance. Let all the air out, but only 20lbs at a time. After each 20 cycle the fork 10-15 times, not too fast. Then after all the air is out do the reverse. Add air 20 lbs at a time, cycle 10-15 times, add 20, cycle 10-15, add 20 and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windband View Post
    Yes, that's a problem. What has changed recently? Sounds like your positive and negative chambers are out of balance. Let all the air out, but only 20lbs at a time. After each 20 cycle the fork 10-15 times, not too fast. Then after all the air is out do the reverse. Add air 20 lbs at a time, cycle 10-15 times, add 20, cycle 10-15, add 20 and so on.
    I'll give that a try, thanks.

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    Anyone else see this VitalMTB post?


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    For those that have asked XL Carbon frame is 3000 gr or 6 lbs 10 oz
    SRAM Eagle AXS awesomeness
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    2020 Norco Sight C9 SRAM We Are One Custom

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    Here's a Sight C1 getting a thrashing at my local bike park
    https://youtu.be/xRiqRjU3pkQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrolHead209 View Post
    Here's a Sight C1 getting a thrashing at my local bike park
    https://youtu.be/xRiqRjU3pkQ
    Wow! I can only dream to ride mine like that. Loved that there wasn't any music, just the sound of riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PetrolHead209 View Post
    Here's a Sight C1 getting a thrashing at my local bike park
    https://youtu.be/xRiqRjU3pkQ
    Wow, the pros are just ridiculous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewBikeGuide View Post
    For those that have asked XL Carbon frame is 3000 gr or 6 lbs 10 oz
    With shock?

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    I'm the same height as you. I have the 29 XL, feels perfect to me!
    Spaniardclimber I am 6í1Ē also, I did demo a large & ordered XL like Norco recommended & am super happy with it!


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    Here's my XL A1 finally ready to go, now just need the snow to melt and the trails to dry...
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    With shock?
    No bare - just with the shipping spacer.
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    So my new 2020 Sight C9 XL rolled out of the workshop yesterday afternoon.

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    Brake bed in today and then a ride once we have some dirt free of snow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewBikeGuide View Post
    So my new 2020 Sight C9 XL rolled out of the workshop yesterday afternoon.

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    Probably the sickest color option. Nice build.

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    Has anyone tried the Megneg upgrade on their Rockshox Super Deluxe? If so, how did it compare to the SD? I've read a couple reviews, sounds like it would be better. The initial stoke is supposed to be softer, does that cause more bobbing when climbing?

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    First rehab ride after a wrist injury. After nearly 1000 road miles, it was so good to throw a leg over the Sight again.


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    Changed the cockpit to my We Are One Da Package (bar and stem). 20 mm rise, 8ļ sweep, trimmed to 770 mm on a 45mm 0ļ rise stem. Perfect steering stiffness and amazing trail compliance and dampening in one package.
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    Now, if only the snow can finish melting and the trails can dry... 2020 Sight-fg2020-0413-01lr.jpg

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    Been out for a couple quick trail rides on my A1 now. Overall I absolutely love this thing. Still haven't done any serious terrain, roots or rocks, just dirt singletrack up on Nose Hill with some rougher sections and a few roots.

    I was worried it would feel totally overkill just putzing around on mellow terrain but it really doesn't. It's a super neutral feeling bike. It just kind of disappears while you ride it. Everyone goes on about the new steep seat angles, but sweet Llama of Santa Anna why didn't we do this sooner!? It's like cheating when you climb. Doesn't matter how steep the climb, you run out of gear and leg before the front wheel lifts. So freaking easy to climb.

    Suspension feels great. It's really neutral when pedaling. You don't really notice it at all, you just get on with riding. Very non rowdy terrain ridden so far so I haven't used all the travel, bit it's super supple. The rear end is a magic carpet over small roots, rocks and ripples. You can stay seated and spin and the rear end makes the ground disappear. The Lyric is also super supple. My only minor gripe, and it's minor, is that the 35mm bar is really stiff. It's a bit vibey. We'll see how it goes long term but the bar and stem may get swapped for a 31.8 setup, or a 35 with more flex.

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    Oh, one thing to add is that Code RSC's are nuts if you've never used that calibre of brakes. My wife wanted to try my bike out on our front Street. I didn't think to warn her about the brakes. She was riding around, came rolling up to me being cute and gave the brakes a good squeeze. Well, she's pretty small and I ended up basically catching her as she went OTB

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    Quote Originally Posted by percivilla View Post

    I was worried it would feel totally overkill just putzing around on mellow terrain but it really doesn't. It's a super neutral feeling bike. It just kind of disappears while you ride it. Everyone goes on about the new steep seat angles, but sweet Llama of Santa Anna why didn't we do this sooner!? It's like cheating when you climb. Doesn't matter how steep the climb, you run out of gear and leg before the front wheel lifts. So freaking easy to climb.

    Suspension feels great. It's really neutral when pedaling. You don't really notice it at all, you just get on with riding. Very non rowdy terrain ridden so far so I haven't used all the travel, bit it's super supple. The rear end is a magic carpet over small roots, rocks and ripples. You can stay seated and spin and the rear end makes the ground disappear. The Lyric is also super supple. My only minor gripe, and it's minor, is that the 35mm bar is really stiff. It's a bit vibey. We'll see how it goes long term but the bar and stem may get swapped for a 31.8 setup, or a 35 with more flex.
    Yes to climbing
    Yes to descending
    The Sight actually handles the moderate trails really well and the steeper more technical are a breeze.

    Similar experience with most 35mm bars - all built too stiff for normal weight/ normal speed riders. I have personally heard good things about the OneUp bar if you don't want the pfaff of changing stems.

    Personally I am very happy with my SQ-Labs 30X Carbon 12ļ 780 mm x 30mm and 45mm rise bars (yes two different bikes) and my We Are One Da Package (the bar and stem) in 770 mm x 20 mm (trimmed from 800 mm) with the 45mm stem.

    I would love them to make a 35mm rise by 10ļ sweep which would be perfect. Oh and Da Package looks sweet.
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    New question here. To remove or not to remove?

    That bike VIN plate sticker thing with size and geo numbers on it; did you remove it? The kid at my LBS said it's hard to remove and leaves residue... but it will start to wrinkle eventually. The sticker itself does appear to be a fixture and not some tag to be ripped off after purchase and as there is no size marking stamped on the seat tube it would be handy for re-sale.

    I'm not fussed either way, I kinda like it. On one hand it would keep the bike original in the event that I owned the bike a very long time (kind of like seeing old cars that still have the plastic film on the door cards from new) but then again my frame would look cleaner without it; the A1 paint is freakin gorgeous.

    I've got InvisiFRAME on the way so I need to decide beofre install

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blimborb Skankskin View Post
    That bike VIN plate sticker thing with size and geo numbers on it; did you remove it? The kid at my LBS said it's hard to remove and leaves residue... but it will start to wrinkle eventually. The sticker itself does appear to be a fixture and not some tag to be ripped off after purchase and as there is no size marking stamped on the seat tube it would be handy for re-sale.

    I'm not fussed either way, I kinda like it. On one hand it would keep the bike original in the event that I owned the bike a very long time (kind of like seeing old cars that still have the plastic film on the door cards from new) but then again my frame would look cleaner without it; the A1 paint is freakin gorgeous.

    I've got InvisiFRAME on the way so I need to decide beofre install

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    I removed mine, I think it looks better without. It's easy to remove, warm it up with a blow dryer and peel it off, if there is some residue left just wipe off with isopropyl alcohol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    I removed mine, I think it looks better without. It's easy to remove, warm it up with a blow dryer and peel it off, if there is some residue left just wipe off with isopropyl alcohol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    I removed mine, I think it looks better without. It's easy to remove, warm it up with a blow dryer and peel it off, if there is some residue left just wipe off with isopropyl alcohol.
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    Hmmmmmmm decisions.. perhaps I will remove it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blimborb Skankskin View Post
    That bike VIN plate sticker thing with size and geo numbers on it; did you remove it? The kid at my LBS said it's hard to remove and leaves residue... but it will start to wrinkle eventually. The sticker itself does appear to be a fixture and not some tag to be ripped off after purchase and as there is no size marking stamped on the seat tube it would be handy for re-sale.

    I'm not fussed either way, I kinda like it. On one hand it would keep the bike original in the event that I owned the bike a very long time (kind of like seeing old cars that still have the plastic film on the door cards from new) but then again my frame would look cleaner without it; the A1 paint is freakin gorgeous.

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    Warm with heat gun, comes off easily. Why you would want it or need reminding of the specs on your frame after delivery is beyond me.
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    Tip for making sure the hose or cable rattling in the down tube doesn't drive you bonkers:

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    You can also wrap the hose/ cable in Jagwire's dampening foam: https://jagwire.com/products/small-p...housing-damper
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    Anyone else finding the ride aligned recommended suspension pressures a bit unbalanced? I'm on an A1 so Lyrik ultimate and Super deluxe select plus. I'm about 185lbs.

    I've settled pretty close to what it recommends for the shock at around 215-220psi. I'm using 90% of the travel which is perfect as I haven't ridden any big jumps or drops yet. What's odd is the fork pressure. It's telling me to run around 100psi. With this much pressure I'm only using maybe 50-60% travel. I've aired it down to 85psi like Rockshox recommends and it's a much better match. Still not using that last 10-15% but again, haven't hit anything gnarly yet due to covid restrictions. Absolutely loving the bike, just scratching my head a bit why they want the fork so stiff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by percivilla View Post
    Anyone else finding the ride aligned recommended suspension pressures a bit unbalanced? I'm on an A1 so Lyrik ultimate and Super deluxe select plus. I'm about 185lbs.

    I've settled pretty close to what it recommends for the shock at around 215-220psi. I'm using 90% of the travel which is perfect as I haven't ridden any big jumps or drops yet. What's odd is the fork pressure. It's telling me to run around 100psi. With this much pressure I'm only using maybe 50-60% travel. I've aired it down to 85psi like Rockshox recommends and it's a much better match. Still not using that last 10-15% but again, haven't hit anything gnarly yet due to covid restrictions. Absolutely loving the bike, just scratching my head a bit why they want the fork so stiff...
    I'm the same weight as you, although 3" shorter if I recall(I'm 6'1"). I've found that 215psi in the shock is perfect, I can bottom it out on a 18" kicker jump in my back lane if I miss my transition ramp. Riding on the trails seems perfect. As for the fork I'm happy with 91psi, although I installed the new sealhead and footnut on the air shaft( it uses its travel better and stays up in initial travel). I have 10mm reserved and haven't bottomed it out yet. I had 20mm reserved with the same pressure with the original sealhead/footnut. I'm liking these pressure for my trail riding on the Shore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graveltattoo View Post
    I'm the same weight as you, although 3" shorter if I recall(I'm 6'1"). I've found that 215psi in the shock is perfect, I can bottom it out on a 18" kicker jump in my back lane if I miss my transition ramp. Riding on the trails seems perfect. As for the fork I'm happy with 91psi, although I installed the new sealhead and footnut on the air shaft( it uses its travel better and stays up in initial travel). I have 10mm reserved and haven't bottomed it out yet. I had 20mm reserved with the same pressure with the original sealhead/footnut. I'm liking these pressure for my trail riding on the Shore.
    Ha, good memory, I'm 6'4", although I have a neck like a Llama and a long head so I'm more like 6'1" body wise

    Sounds like we ended up pretty close as far as setup. Did you find the updated sealhead made for a noticeable improvement? I'll probably end up springing for it when the fork is due for its first service. At the rate I'm getting out riding that'll be in 2022

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    Quote Originally Posted by percivilla View Post
    Ha, good memory, I'm 6'4", although I have a neck like a Llama and a long head so I'm more like 6'1" body wise

    Sounds like we ended up pretty close as far as setup. Did you find the updated sealhead made for a noticeable improvement? I'll probably end up springing for it when the fork is due for its first service. At the rate I'm getting out riding that'll be in 2022
    When the Covid pandemic hit, I stopped riding the trails. I decided to try the new sealhead/footnut because I didn't like how the fork sagged into its travel so easily. So for $33 for the sealhead/footnut plus some oil and a direction on how to do it, I did it! It was quite easy actually, I'll be doing the lower fork service from here on in. I like that there's more initial support and that it seem to use its travel better, I don't notice the initial stroke not being supple like before, but it had been awhile since I had been out, so no immediate back to back comparison. When I finally did get out for a trail ride again (2 months later), I was very happy with the fork, I was traveling faster and more confidently down trails despite the 2 month lay off.

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    Hey guys, just bought myself the new sight C1. But wanna swap suspension to Fox now. Forks will be no problem, but the shock? 185 x 52.5 mm?? I can barely find shocks in that size? I've heard of going with a 55mm with a reducer kind of thing, but where do i get that and how do i mount it? What happens if i buy a 185 x 55mm shock and don't do anything to it?

    and 2nd question:

    I heard that there's cable noise inside the frame. How do i fix it? Are there foamy cable housings or how do i get the foam around the cable and then inside the frame?

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    So I've just read through this entire thread and am really considering the A2 27.5 as my next bike. My only hesitation is my weight. I'm 250lbs and the ride aligned only shows settings for riders up to 240. 240 suggests 300psi in the X2 which is the max it can handle. Am I too heavy for this bike? I will be losing weight, but getting under 240 ready to ride might take a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeter97 View Post
    So I've just read through this entire thread and am really considering the A2 27.5 as my next bike. My only hesitation is my weight. I'm 250lbs and the ride aligned only shows settings for riders up to 240. 240 suggests 300psi in the X2 which is the max it can handle. Am I too heavy for this bike? I will be losing weight, but getting under 240 ready to ride might take a while

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    I weight about the same and was thinking the same. Read too much about blowing thru the travel and about leverage ratio that is not suitable for heavier riders so I end up buying Pole evolink 158.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeter97 View Post
    So I've just read through this entire thread and am really considering the A2 27.5 as my next bike. My only hesitation is my weight. I'm 250lbs and the ride aligned only shows settings for riders up to 240. 240 suggests 300psi in the X2 which is the max it can handle. Am I too heavy for this bike? I will be losing weight, but getting under 240 ready to ride might take a while

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    I can't confirm, as I don't own one, but one of the things I've seen mentioned in a couple reviews is related to this. The shock seems to be a bit undersized for heavier riders, and as you noticed, you hit max pressure pretty quickly. I'd say your concern is valid.

    Not sure if you could swap it out for a different shock with any more success though.

    Sadly, that might mean getting a different frame/bike :/. Maybe long shocking the new Transition Scout (which it officially supports, taking it from 140mm to 150mm)? I don't think thats available in Alloy frame right now though, but something along those lines.

    This is actually one of the things that is really interesting about the Raaw Madonna (similar bike, 10mm more travel, 29'er), is that they have a separate shock rocker link for people over 200lbs, that uses a longer shock and allows for lower pressures for bigger guys. Its the first time I can recall seeing something like that, but I thought it was cool (I'm borderline, at ~200lbs).

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    most shocks that come stock on frames will be tuned for rider weight of 140-180lbs... If you're outside this range, might not be a bad idea to get it custom shimmed and built for you. That's why companies like vorsprung and Push exist....

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    Thanks for the insight on the weight issue. I'll probably have to look elsewhere, bummer as this bike was just about perfect aside from the undersized shock! Now off to find a comparatively priced fat guy friendly bike....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeter97 View Post
    Thanks for the insight on the weight issue. I'll probably have to look elsewhere, bummer as this bike was just about perfect aside from the undersized shock! Now off to find a comparatively priced fat guy friendly bike....

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    think you might've misunderstood what i'm trying to say. This problem is not exclusive to this frame.. you'll likely encounter this same issue with any other frame. Some shocks will have enough adjustability to tune it to a way to get it to ball park but that's still no substitute to having a shock taken apart and tuned for your weight and riding style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeter97 View Post
    So I've just read through this entire thread and am really considering the A2 27.5 as my next bike. My only hesitation is my weight. I'm 250lbs and the ride aligned only shows settings for riders up to 240. 240 suggests 300psi in the X2 which is the max it can handle. Am I too heavy for this bike? I will be losing weight, but getting under 240 ready to ride might take a while

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    Cant say much for the A2 but I just bought the A1 and was concerned about the high leverage ratio that causes problems for heavier riders. I'm about 195cm tall and around 105kg fully geared. So 6'4" and 231.5lbs (note ride aligned stops at 192cm and 109kg).
    The rockshox has a max psi of 325psi. This won't directly answer your question but I'm bored so here goes


    I started with ride aligned as follows:
    Skill level: Intermediate
    Fork: 113psi (2 tokens)
    Shock: 253psi (2 spacers)
    Offset type 1

    Result:
    Fork felt nice but a bit soft, can't remember sag I think it was about 30%.
    Shock bottomed out almost immediately on standard trails... it never felt like something was wrong, a bit soggy perhaps, but other than the rubber ring indicating bottom-out I wouldn't have noticed. Shock sag was 30% maybe 32%

    So I upped my skill level and changed offset type
    Skill: Advanced
    Fork: 113psi (2 tokens)
    Shock: 260psi (2 spacers)
    offset type 2

    Interestingly sag was still 30% for the shock and yeah same result, rubber ring indicates bottom-out (even falling off the bottom). I was doing small tabletop jumps and some trail riding

    Here's where I'm at now:
    Skill: Professional (lol)
    Fork: 123psi (20% sag, might take some out but liking it for now)
    Shock: 280psi (still 30% sag which is weird? must be something to do with progression curves)
    Offset type 2
    (side note: changing my weight from 105kg to 108kg gave me practically the same recommendation (F 123psi, R 277psi) except Advanced skill instead of Professional)

    Result: I didn't bottom out but I used about 95% of the shocks travel on a 13km ride with a couple jumps and small drops (3ft) but not aggressively charging through rock gardens. The bike feels more supported and it pops over jumps with no effort - I'll play with rebound so I don't get bounced OTB but it's no pogo.

    I'm gunna pump it to 300psi or something ridiculous and see how it feels but I reckon it'd be harsh. The obvious course of action would be to try more spacers first, maybe just one extra (three) would do the trick, that's what Kaz did on pinkbike. Also the advantage of the rockshox is I can install a MegNeg to give me a bigger negative air chamber which I'm pretty sure means more supple early in the stroke and more support towards the end?? Pretty cheap upgrade nevertheless.

    This whole bottom-out business was nearly a deal breaker for me but I couldn't resist the A1 it had too much going for it compared to every bike I compared and my LBS had one for a pretty good price. Pole was definitely my next choice but price plus import/duties killed that idea.

    Honestly the rear shock hasn't been a real issue yet, it may be in the future, but I'm just not sending it that hard yet. And when I do there will be a solution
    i.e spacers/gnardog/megneg. Bottoming out a shock isn't a big deal anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrpercussive View Post
    think you might've misunderstood what i'm trying to say. This problem is not exclusive to this frame.. you'll likely encounter this same issue with any other frame. Some shocks will have enough adjustability to tune it to a way to get it to ball park but that's still no substitute to having a shock taken apart and tuned for your weight and riding style.
    Thanks, I started looking into the vorsprung stuff after I left my last reply and that's certainly an option. The good news is the lbs are already dropping, so this'll just be a temporary issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blimborb Skankskin View Post
    Cant say much for the A2 but I just bought the A1 and was concerned about the high leverage ratio that causes problems for heavier riders. I'm about 195cm tall and around 105kg fully geared. So 6'4" and 231.5lbs (note ride aligned stops at 192cm and 109kg).
    The rockshox has a max psi of 325psi. This won't directly answer your question but I'm bored so here goes


    I started with ride aligned as follows:
    Skill level: Intermediate
    Fork: 113psi (2 tokens)
    Shock: 253psi (2 spacers)
    Offset type 1

    Result:
    Fork felt nice but a bit soft, can't remember sag I think it was about 30%.
    Shock bottomed out almost immediately on standard trails... it never felt like something was wrong, a bit soggy perhaps, but other than the rubber ring indicating bottom-out I wouldn't have noticed. Shock sag was 30% maybe 32%

    So I upped my skill level and changed offset type
    Skill: Advanced
    Fork: 113psi (2 tokens)
    Shock: 260psi (2 spacers)
    offset type 2

    Interestingly sag was still 30% for the shock and yeah same result, rubber ring indicates bottom-out (even falling off the bottom). I was doing small tabletop jumps and some trail riding

    Here's where I'm at now:
    Skill: Professional (lol)
    Fork: 123psi (20% sag, might take some out but liking it for now)
    Shock: 280psi (still 30% sag which is weird? must be something to do with progression curves)
    Offset type 2
    (side note: changing my weight from 105kg to 108kg gave me practically the same recommendation (F 123psi, R 277psi) except Advanced skill instead of Professional)

    Result: I didn't bottom out but I used about 95% of the shocks travel on a 13km ride with a couple jumps and small drops (3ft) but not aggressively charging through rock gardens. The bike feels more supported and it pops over jumps with no effort - I'll play with rebound so I don't get bounced OTB but it's no pogo.

    I'm gunna pump it to 300psi or something ridiculous and see how it feels but I reckon it'd be harsh. The obvious course of action would be to try more spacers first, maybe just one extra (three) would do the trick, that's what Kaz did on pinkbike. Also the advantage of the rockshox is I can install a MegNeg to give me a bigger negative air chamber which I'm pretty sure means more supple early in the stroke and more support towards the end?? Pretty cheap upgrade nevertheless.

    This whole bottom-out business was nearly a deal breaker for me but I couldn't resist the A1 it had too much going for it compared to every bike I compared and my LBS had one for a pretty good price. Pole was definitely my next choice but price plus import/duties killed that idea.

    Honestly the rear shock hasn't been a real issue yet, it may be in the future, but I'm just not sending it that hard yet. And when I do there will be a solution
    i.e spacers/gnardog/megneg. Bottoming out a shock isn't a big deal anyway
    Thanks for the detailed reply, that helps a lot! Unfortunately my lbs only has the A2 in stocks, so I'm gonna be dealing with the X2. As mentioned above getting the shock custom tuned for my weight is certainly a good option, and like you I played around with different rider levels on the ride aligned thing. I'm going to see the bike in person this weekend, and I imagine I'll pull the trigger once I see it

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    Quote Originally Posted by percivilla View Post
    Anyone else finding the ride aligned recommended suspension pressures a bit unbalanced? I'm on an A1 so Lyrik ultimate and Super deluxe select plus. I'm about 185lbs.
    I am on a C9 Custom XL and I am 215 lbs riding weight. Ride Aligned suggests 235 psi for rear shock and 105 psi for fork. I ride fairly centred, clipped in and rarely sit back and drop my heels.

    Quote Originally Posted by percivilla View Post
    I've settled pretty close to what it recommends for the shock at around 215-220psi. I'm using 90% of the travel which is perfect as I haven't ridden any big jumps or drops yet. What's odd is the fork pressure. It's telling me to run around 100psi. With this much pressure I'm only using maybe 50-60% travel. I've aired it down to 85psi like Rockshox recommends and it's a much better match. Still not using that last 10-15% but again, haven't hit anything gnarly yet due to covid restrictions. Absolutely loving the bike, just scratching my head a bit why they want the fork so stiff...
    After 300 km of trail and two dedicated ShockWiz sessions (16 laps of the same trail) I have settled on 255 psi and +6 RB (this is slower than I started but taking 6 seconds off a 1:23 lap time and then maintaining that time cannot be wrong).

    The lap I chose has roots, rocks, four small drops, one big drop to a compression, some smash berms, some loose off camber, some off camber roots and requires a few quick pedal strokes to keep speed so a good all round test other than lacking a jump or a really big drop (EWS Whistler bottom of Stage 3 2019: https://www.pinkbike.com/news/video-...ghts-show.html forward to 9:17). It's also about 60 seconds (pro level) to 100 seconds (high intermediate) long and only a six minute climb back to the start, so easily repeatable and one can get four quality runs per hour including suspension changes without getting too tired.

    ShockWiz suggested some more LSC but that is not possible without a rebuild/ custom tune (Vorsprung Tractive tune?) as the Select + doesn't have adjustable LSC.

    I was running the 105 psi suggested by Ride Aligned in my Lyrik Ultimate fork and to be honest I kind of like how it allowed me to hit things faster/ harder but I wasn't using all the travel I thought I should be using.

    The Rockshox set up suggests 90 psi. I ended up at 90 psi following ShockWiz suggestions but even though the suggestions were more in the green on the ShockWiz app, it felt really sluggish, lacked support and the lap times were slower.

    I tried 95 psi and 98 psi and I have decided that 98 psi feels better but 95 psi is faster. Again the clock does not lie.
    For reference HSC is full open, LSC: +3 (from open) and LSR: +7 (from open/ fast). Again the slower RB doesn't feel as good but the lap times were faster.

    I know that I am not very fast twitch in my muscles and I think the extra click slower in RB from what I think I prefer actually gives me a bike that travels faster/ safer over the ground.

    I am about to install the C1 upgrade seal head and foot nut kit which should give me more support with the same sensitivity and I'll report back if that changes anything.

    But short answer is NO. Ride Aligned was low rear shock and way too high for the fork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishbone121 View Post
    Hey guys, just bought myself the new sight C1. But wanna swap suspension to Fox now. Forks will be no problem, but the shock? 185 x 52.5 mm?? I can barely find shocks in that size? I've heard of going with a 55mm with a reducer kind of thing, but where do i get that and how do i mount it? What happens if i buy a 185 x 55mm shock and don't do anything to it?

    and 2nd question:

    I heard that there's cable noise inside the frame. How do i fix it? Are there foamy cable housings or how do i get the foam around the cable and then inside the frame?
    Q1: It is a 185 x 55 with a custom bumper in it.

    Q2: Yes there is and it is f(*&ing annoying.
    One solution: https://jagwire.com/products/small-p...housing-damper - use this as you install the cable/ hose.
    My home made/ ghetto version: https://www.instagram.com/p/B_TXSYEHB9Q/ works if you have already installed the hose and realise that the designed downtube bung doesn't stop it from rattling.
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    Anyone running a legit 55mm stroke shock (157 travel) and/or a 170 fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    Anyone running a legit 55mm stroke shock (157 travel) and/or a 170 fork?
    no to over shock but yes to 2020 170mm Lyrik Ultimate RC2. Rides beautifully with the 170mm fork. About to ride even better through the undulating tech as I installed the C1 seal head and foot nut kit yesterday afternoon.
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    Hi im new to the site, I reside in Perth, Australia.
    I've just purchased the A1. It does exactly as advertised, is a proper all mountain, climbs and descends even better. Fantastic value for money too, atleast here in Aus where nothing else really came close to spec vs $
    I have a question re the second frame mounting. Would anyone know if theres a product available that mounts to it so I can store plug kit, C02 bottle/valve, multi tool etc. The second mounting points seem like a good idea though there doesnt seem to be anything available to mount to it (that's not too big, just neat) All else fails I'll go for a backcountry strap
    cheers
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    Wolf tooth makes really cool storage devices that fit well.

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    Heavily considering the Sight A1 29 or Capra 29 Carbon Pro. Anyone have any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LindsayOZ View Post
    Hi im new to the site, I reside in Perth, Australia.
    I've just purchased the A1. It does exactly as advertised, is a proper all mountain, climbs and descends even better. Fantastic value for money too, atleast here in Aus where nothing else really came close to spec vs $
    I have a question re the second frame mounting. Would anyone know if theres a product available that mounts to it so I can store plug kit, C02 bottle/valve, multi tool etc. The second mounting points seem like a good idea though there doesnt seem to be anything available to mount to it (that's not too big, just neat) All else fails I'll go for a backcountry strap
    cheers
    lindsay
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