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    The Official Niner Bikes 2010 JET9 Redesign Introduction:

    Hello Niner riders!

    Niner bikes has several announcements to make in the coming days, and this is the first one - we would like to introduce the Jet 9, redesigned for 2010. Expected availability is late winter/early spring 2010. This new Jet 9 will include a lot of the technology that we have incorporated into our most current full suspension models:

    • Tapered head tube to accept new 80-100mm tapered forks
    • Hydro-formed tubes for added stiffness without gaining weight
    • Forged frame pieces for added stiffness
    • Same great geometry and travel as original Jet 9
    • Available in Vana White, Licorice Anodized, Kermit Green

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    Hurry up please before something else catches my eye and budget. :-p

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    How about a picture of it in Kermit green? I'm all for hydro formed tubing... really improves the stiffness on every full suspension bike I've ever tried in the Bionicon lineup. Glad Niner went that way. Now if they start hydro forming the rear triangle, and folks can still race and win on it, then that will be a super accomplishment.
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    Damn, I just ordered a Speccy Epic! Oh well, I guess I'll have some nice parts to swap to this sometime down the road.

    Looks pretty sweet!

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    So, retro-fittable to the older front and rear triangles in the event of breakages??

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    Anybody notice that the OP is number 666 for Niner? LOL, oh man that is an ill omen.

    BTW, I have 2009 Jet9, love it and the 2010 looks great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FASTK
    Anybody notice that the OP is number 666 for Niner? LOL, oh man that is an ill omen.
    It's ok they're not Voodoo

    Hey Niner, changes to the Rip 2010??????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duzitall
    It's ok they're not Voodoo

    Hey Niner, changes to the Rip 2010??????????

    We do not do model years. But to answer your question we are not changing anything on the r.i.p. 9 for 2010 or any of the other current model frames. Just launching the Air 9 Carbon and the new 2010 Jet 9.

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    Thanks Chris at Niner.

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    Man, I was just convinced that the replacement for my '07 RIP was going to be another RIP, and now this. Decisions. I will have to find a way to ride that bad-boy and make my mind up.

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    So, retro-fittable to the older front and rear triangles in the event of breakages??
    Haha I'm sure you'll get an answer soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niner Bikes
    Expected availability is late winter/early spring 2010.
    This is probably a typo, right ?
    Based on your previous ETA's, I'd say early/late july 2010 (if we are very, very lucky).

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    How aobut going to 100mm travel and carbon to stack up against SC Tallboy and Sueprfly 100mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    How aobut going to 100mm travel and carbon to stack up against SC Tallboy and Sueprfly 100mm?
    I am sure it's only a matter of pushing the software button called "increase travel and include full carbon makeover"

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    Does this alledged button pertain to RIP?

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    I have been a lurker for a long time and enjoy reading all the posts about Niner bikes!

    Let me start off by saying that I have probably been through more Jet9's than anyone else here. When they deliver the new Jet9 it will be my fourth Jet9 bike. I will have been without the bike more than I have had it. I was probably one of the first people to order it. I know that there are people on the forum that will disagree with my position, but I still believe in what Niner is doing. Even after all I have been through with this bike I loved riding it. I have just ordered and recieved an Air9 to be a back up to the Jet9. I owned one of these earlier and really liked it. I am a school teacher so I am not wealthy and buying this bike as a back up couldn't have come at probably a worse time financially. In reading the earlier posts about a delivery date, I wouldn't be surprised if it is Spring until we get the new bikes in. Sure, I have hard feelings about thinking it might not be until Spring until I get a replacement. However, I know that this bike is worth it!

    I always enjoy meeting other Niner owners. They are always friendly and willing to discuss their bikes. I have ran into many on the trails and we are always excited about talking about their bike.

    P.S. I hope that the changes will really improve the bike because I am going to ride it like gold digger on a rap star! If there are any problems with it look out #5 here I come.

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    I had the feeling that the Jet would be going this direction. Love it!

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    Seriously Dude, I hope that Niner sorts you out sooner than that with something or gave you a stinking sweet deal on that AIR9 because if I had to wait 4 months for a replacement I'd be livid to say the least, especially if it was the 5th time to be replaced - I'd think a loaner RIP9 till the new JET9s are ready would be the least they could do.

    I think maybe Niner should give you a medal for being so loyal, I'd have said adios for sure after the 3rd break and more likely the 2nd.

    Quote Originally Posted by ccarpenter
    I have been a lurker for a long time and enjoy reading all the posts about Niner bikes!

    Let me start off by saying that I have probably been through more Jet9's than anyone else here. When they deliver the new Jet9 it will be my fourth Jet9 bike. I will have been without the bike more than I have had it. I was probably one of the first people to order it. I know that there are people on the forum that will disagree with my position, but I still believe in what Niner is doing. Even after all I have been through with this bike I loved riding it. I have just ordered and recieved an Air9 to be a back up to the Jet9. I owned one of these earlier and really liked it. I am a school teacher so I am not wealthy and buying this bike as a back up couldn't have come at probably a worse time financially. In reading the earlier posts about a delivery date, I wouldn't be surprised if it is Spring until we get the new bikes in. Sure, I have hard feelings about thinking it might not be until Spring until I get a replacement. However, I know that this bike is worth it!

    I always enjoy meeting other Niner owners. They are always friendly and willing to discuss their bikes. I have ran into many on the trails and we are always excited about talking about their bike.

    P.S. I hope that the changes will really improve the bike because I am going to ride it like gold digger on a rap star! If there are any problems with it look out #5 here I come.
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    Lynx, thank you. I should have been more clear. The first two Jet9's I received from Niner were not "RIGHT". I have only broken one of the frames. Once they got me a frame that worked I broke the rocker arms. Sorry if I reopened any bad memories about the rocker arms!

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    cool stuff but i'm holding out for carbon..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccarpenter
    I have been a lurker for a long time and enjoy reading all the posts about Niner bikes!

    Let me start off by saying that I have probably been through more Jet9's than anyone else here. When they deliver the new Jet9 it will be my fourth Jet9 bike. I will have been without the bike more than I have had it. I was probably one of the first people to order it. I know that there are people on the forum that will disagree with my position, but I still believe in what Niner is doing. Even after all I have been through with this bike I loved riding it. I have just ordered and recieved an Air9 to be a back up to the Jet9. I owned one of these earlier and really liked it. I am a school teacher so I am not wealthy and buying this bike as a back up couldn't have come at probably a worse time financially. In reading the earlier posts about a delivery date, I wouldn't be surprised if it is Spring until we get the new bikes in. Sure, I have hard feelings about thinking it might not be until Spring until I get a replacement. However, I know that this bike is worth it!

    I always enjoy meeting other Niner owners. They are always friendly and willing to discuss their bikes. I have ran into many on the trails and we are always excited about talking about their bike.

    P.S. I hope that the changes will really improve the bike because I am going to ride it like gold digger on a rap star! If there are any problems with it look out #5 here I come.
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    Do these changes make it any less of a "race bike" and any more of a bike that a clyde could ride? Being around 230 I've always read that the RIP would be better, but that kind of travel is just overkill around these parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RookieBeotch
    Do these changes make it any less of a "race bike" and any more of a bike that a clyde could ride? Being around 230 I've always read that the RIP would be better, but that kind of travel is just overkill around these parts.
    At 230lb I still think you would be faster on the 09 Rip9
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    I'll never get why someone over 200lbs is looking for a weight weenie bike when it's cheaper and better to loose the weight themselves I'm pretty sure you don't shop for or wear the same size clothes as someone 180lbs, so why should you expect to ride the same type bike Get a damn RIP9
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    At 230lb I still think you would be faster on the 09 Rip9
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    I'll never get why someone over 200lbs is looking for a weight weenie bike when it's cheaper and better to loose the weight themselves I'm pretty sure you don't shop for or wear the same size clothes as someone 180lbs, so why should you expect to ride the same type bike Get a damn RIP9
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    any speculations if the frame will gain any weight? I know it says "• Hydro-formed tubes for added stiffness without gaining weight" but didn't the Rip9 weigh more after the redesign?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    I'll never get why someone over 200lbs is looking for a weight weenie bike when it's cheaper and better to loose the weight themselves I'm pretty sure you don't shop for or wear the same size clothes as someone 180lbs, so why should you expect to ride the same type bike Get a damn RIP9
    Maybe it is because your assumption that everyone who buys a Jet is looking at it as a weight weenie bike is incorrect. You have ridden both the RIP and the Jet so you know that while there are similarities, the ride and handling of these two bikes is distinctly different. I rode both first and picked the Jet because of the way it handles - it suites my riding style very well. Weight was never a consideration when I made my purchase and even now I still couldn't tell you what is the weight difference between the two frames.

    As far as chasing weight weenie components - it is actually foolish for anyone who is overweight to spend major $$$ to shave a few grams if you have an extra 5-10+ pounds that you could reasonably lose. And this applies whether you tip the scales at 140 or 240. In fact, I would argue that it makes more sense for someone who is very fit/lean at 210 pounds to buy weight weenie components than the 165 pound weekend rider who is carrying around a 15 pound beer gut - with the obvious caveat that there are some light weight components that no 200+ pound rider should ever use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rshughes
    Maybe it is because your assumption that everyone who buys a Jet is looking at it as a weight weenie bike is incorrect. You have ridden both the RIP and the Jet so you know that while there are similarities, the ride and handling of these two bikes is distinctly different. I rode both first and picked the Jet because of the way it handles - it suites my riding style very well. Weight was never a consideration when I made my purchase and even now I still couldn't tell you what is the weight difference between the two frames.

    As far as chasing weight weenie components - it is actually foolish for anyone who is overweight to spend major $$$ to shave a few grams if you have an extra 5-10+ pounds that you could reasonably lose. And this applies whether you tip the scales at 140 or 240. In fact, I would argue that it makes more sense for someone who is very fit/lean at 210 pounds to buy weight weenie components than the 165 pound weekend rider who is carrying around a 15 pound beer gut - with the obvious caveat that there are some light weight components that no 200+ pound rider should ever use.
    This would be the case some times but the bulk of the people here are going for a bike on weight before ride.

    I think back at all the 230 lb + people going on about how stans needed to make a 36 hole Arch rim but wouldn't go for the Flow 36 hole rim that they already made because it was 50 grams more.

    That is were alot of peoples heads are,They build a bike that will be slower for them but lighter.

    I went from 200lb down to 177 lb & boy did that make a difference to my riding but the 1 lb between My Rip9 & the Jet9 I don't feel it.

    On this forum when someone builds a nice bike & yes the first question is what is the weight????? NOT how does it ride ? is it faster than your last bike ? do you find you can push it harder over most tracks ??????

    No what is the weight.

    There is much more time for most people in getting there hed in the right place than having a bike 5 lbs lighter.

    Don't get me wrong nobody spends more time thinking about weight than me,on my race car I would spend about 10 hours per door hinge making it lighter & every nut & bolt & I mean every nut & bolt had been turned down so there was just enough to keep it working,Most bolts had holes drilled in them & didn't have washers & alot of bolts just were not there.

    But that didn't mean that I put smaller wheels & tyres / brakes on it to make it lighter I built it to go faster & if I needed to add weight to make that happen I would & if I needed to remove weight I would but never at the cost of speed.

    As for my Rip9 what is the weight ??? 206 lb going down the road yep 20 lb more than some & 50 odd lbs less than some others.

    I don't know how it happens but sometimes out on the trail I pass people on a lighter bike & some times I have been passed by people on a heaver bike Whats up with that don't they know the rules
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    Plus size riders/clydes

    6'2 220, I race epic lengths on rough terrain. The rougher the course, generally the better I can compete.

    The Jet rails and weighs about 4 pounds more than my Dos-Niner which held up to 1,000s of miles before breaking at one of their known problem areas (rear dropout). Salsa replaced - thanks guys.

    I would not call the Jet superlight... but I don't need 5" of travel on a 29er. Sometimes I wonder if I need Suspension with big hoops.

    Pick one step down on component technology, get a solid set of wheels, take the extra pound on components, and this bike rocks (yeah recall, I know, I'm part of it..).

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    Quote Originally Posted by scaryslo
    6'2 220, I race epic lengths on rough terrain. The rougher the course, generally the better I can compete.

    The Jet rails and weighs about 4 pounds more than my Dos-Niner which held up to 1,000s of miles before breaking at one of their known problem areas (rear dropout). Salsa replaced - thanks guys.

    I would not call the Jet superlight... but I don't need 5" of travel on a 29er. Sometimes I wonder if I need Suspension with big hoops.

    Pick one step down on component technology, get a solid set of wheels, take the extra pound on components, and this bike rocks (yeah recall, I know, I'm part of it..).
    It sounds to me that you should grab 1 of the hard tail frames on offer & ride the nuts off it to see how you like it & if you do then when your new 2010 Jet9 comes out try & do a deal with someone to swap it for the new Niner carbon frame & if not just go back to the Jet9 & have one of each.

    I don't think anyone can give you an idea on what you will have the most fun on because every body gets fun out of different things..

    I get out on the bike less often & stay out longer when I do get out so like to ride FS ( Jet9 & Rip9 ) & I find I can enjoy staying out longer & I guess the longer you stay out the more different types of track & riding you will come across so 09 Rip9 for me is never to far away form being the best bike for me.
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    Just saw this in a RIP9 thread.



    As I expected.
    UGLY!!!!
    So despite the fact that I will be getting a new frame in January with a free headset and reducer cups, I will also be looking for a new fork with tapered steerer.
    I am going to sound negative again but this is another cost that Jet owners have had forced upon them by the recall.

    Sorry Niner, I think that your recall offer is fantastic but I am not thrilled that I either need a new fork or have it look strange as a result of using a 1 1/8th fork and reducer cups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Just saw this in a RIP9 thread.



    As I expected.
    UGLY!!!!
    So despite the fact that I will be getting a new frame in January with a free headset and reducer cups, I will also be looking for a new fork with tapered steerer.
    I am going to sound negative again but this is another cost that Jet owners have had forced upon them by the recall.

    Sorry Niner, I think that your recall offer is fantastic but I am not thrilled that I either need a new fork or have it look strange as a result of using a 1 1/8th fork and reducer cups.
    Looks even worse from the side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExhaustPipe
    Looks even worse from the side.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Just saw this in a RIP9 thread.



    As I expected.
    UGLY!!!!
    So despite the fact that I will be getting a new frame in January with a free headset and reducer cups, I will also be looking for a new fork with tapered steerer.
    I am going to sound negative again but this is another cost that Jet owners have had forced upon them by the recall.

    Sorry Niner, I think that your recall offer is fantastic but I am not thrilled that I either need a new fork or have it look strange as a result of using a 1 1/8th fork and reducer cups.
    I'm in the same boat as you (With the Jet9 ) But I am bouncing off the walls happy with the recall.

    Well maybe not the same as its not my best bike my 09 Rip9 is.

    I think of it as what was my old Jet9 worth before the recall & how much will it be worth with the new frame.

    Thats not even taking into account taking option 1 & getting another bike cheap.

    Yes the STD 1 1/8 fork doesn't look good on the tappered steerer frame but I would rather have a 2010 bike with the big head tube than the STD even if I had to run the STD fork & then have the option to go bigger at a later date.

    I think if you were to ride a 2010 Jet9 with a std steerer fork & then with the tappered steerer fork you would at least be happy that you had that option at a later stage.

    Just my thoughts but when there is a big upgrade on a bike frame it always drops the value of the older ones eg the 08 Rip9 was a good bike & that hasn't changed but it will from now on be known the old frame before the big up grades & will never fetch the sort of money it did before the 09 Rip9 came along.

    I wonder how many 08 Rip9 riders would jump at the chance to upgrade to an 09 for $200-$300 even if they had to use there old fork & upgrade a year later.

    I'm looking forward to riding the 2010 Jet9 because I think it will be much faster than the 08/09
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    Oh I definitely agree that the deal is good, I am just disappointed to some extent that it will mean even further expense by way of the tapered steerer fork.
    It si sort of being promoted as a straight swap over but then you look at that pic and while you could trnsfer across your fork, it certainly is not an ideal option.

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    I called Fox support, for $285 you can have a new tapered steerer , crown and stanchions for your current fork. Depending on how old your fork is and how bad you want the tapered fork, it is an option.

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    Bit too steep of a HA for me (at 80) but the frame looks good....well, the diagram does. With a lowish BB, racers can use 80mm forks and trail riders or long-race racers can choose to raise it to 100 as well- raises the BB and slackens the HA. I like that option. I preferred the older RIP9 with a 120mm fork. This should be good competition for the SF 100 and SC Tallboy.

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    Sounds like a viable option for those who own them and want to upgrade and I'd have to agree with Muzz on his thoughts and wqould gladly take a new '09 RIP9 and ride a standard 1 1/8th for until I could afford the taper one.

    Quote Originally Posted by FASTK
    I called Fox support, for $285 you can have a new tapered steerer , crown and stanchions for your current fork. Depending on how old your fork is and how bad you want the tapered fork, it is an option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FASTK
    I called Fox support, for $285 you can have a new tapered steerer , crown and stanchions for your current fork. Depending on how old your fork is and how bad you want the tapered fork, it is an option.
    That would have never occurred to me. Cool.

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    Just so I'm clear, does this mean that I can't use my new '07 Reba with the redesigned Jet?

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    You can use your 07 Reba with no problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy-O
    Just so I'm clear, does this mean that I can't use my new '07 Reba with the redesigned Jet?
    You can use it.
    It will just look funky like in the pic above.

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    I'd rather have that funky look and likely the improved ride quality and stiffness with an '10 hydroformed tubes than the sleek look on an '08 frame.

    Just my opinion though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grrrah
    I'd rather have that funky look and likely the improved ride quality and stiffness with an '10 hydroformed tubes than the sleek look on an '08 frame.

    Just my opinion though.
    Up to you.
    Mine wont get ridden until there is a suitable tapered fork.

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    I definately understand and can appreciate your/the need for aesthetics. I was just saying I'd rather have that problem (since its only a visual one) than be riding the older frame while knowing there is a better one out there. (assuming a recall never happened). Our only difference is that I'm not patient enough to wait since I already have my reba team waiting for the frame, and probably won't spend for a new fork for a while.

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    Maybe this was already discussed somewhere but are there RockShox/Fox 80/100mm forks out there with tapered steerers? I'm not seeing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riding29
    Maybe this was already discussed somewhere but are there RockShox/Fox 80/100mm forks out there with tapered steerers? I'm not seeing them.
    I have been told they will be out about the same time as the 2010 Jet9
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    FWIW, 2005-2008 Reba uppers were $160. Hopefully the tapered ones will be available for a decent price.

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    Updates needed.
    Having just competed in my first 24 hour as a Soloist and finishing 2nd in my class (40+ men) and 5th overall behind 2 of Australia's best, I have to wonder how much better I would have gone on a FS bike than I did on my HT. The course was rocky and rutted so a HT was NOT ideal.
    I am looking for reasons to hold out until March/April/sometime later for my replacement Jet and not buy something that I can have NOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Updates needed.
    Having just competed in my first 24 hour as a Soloist and finishing 2nd in my class (40+ men) and 5th overall behind 2 of Australia's best, I have to wonder how much better I would have gone on a FS bike than I did on my HT. The course was rocky and rutted so a HT was NOT ideal.
    I am looking for reasons to hold out until March/April/sometime later for my replacement Jet and not buy something that I can have NOW.
    Good on you top effort

    Well I'm going to tell you it is because you Know that the 2010 Jet9 is going to be better than other bikes & the wait will be worth it.

    Just about every one else is going to say that you got that result because you were on a hard tail ( & that would be BS )
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    There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON anyone can give you to wait, you have several more of these races to do, it's moving into summer over there for you, so really having to wait until May/June is asking a lot even if the bike pedalled for you. You got some good advice over in the 29er forum and have several good bikes to look at, of them I think I'd consider the RacerX or Lenz the most as they are both available NOW. Whenever you get your replacement JET9, then decide if to keep or sell it, no sense missing out on 7 or 8 months of riding trying to be loyal or some such

    Almost forgot, that's some serious effort there dude 168 miles What sort of rest did you take/get during the event?

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    Having just competed in my first 24 hour as a Soloist and finishing 2nd in my class (40+ men) and 5th overall behind 2 of Australia's best, I have to wonder how much better I would have gone on a FS bike than I did on my HT. The course was rocky and rutted so a HT was NOT ideal.
    I am looking for reasons to hold out until March/April/sometime later for my replacement Jet and not buy something that I can have NOW.
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    I did not really rest too much at all.
    Standard laps were about 42 minutes or so and my longest was just over an hour.
    There were a few 1 hour laps in there but that was it.
    The rest of the time I was turning pedals.
    Plan is now to qualify for the World 24hr Solo Championships in the Elite category if I can and in reality I would like to be riding niner's at that event. In the meantime I need a FS for my qualifying events.

    The problem I see with the recommendations that I have seen are these:
    RacerX - old, old design that does not seem to have been refined for many years.
    Lenz - maybe, but a guy whose opinion I really respect has sort of warned me off.
    GF Superfly100 - no more available than the Jet.
    Epic - Still interested in this one.
    Turner TNT - Maybe as a temporary measure IF I can find one.

    I suppose all I am really asking for is some update as to whether these are still on track and how the design review is coming along.

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    It's no Jet but what about a suspension seatpost as a temporary fix if you can't find anything else you like?

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    Man, that's some major effort right there Must have had your nutrition down pack to be able to keep pedalling all the way through - it's my short coming on endurance events

    As to the RacerX being an old design, I don't see a problem with that, all reports indicate it's a super stiff frame - pity you missed out on them when they were being sold off for around $1k earlier this year. Guess the biggest concern is shelling out $1500+ for a new frame when you already know you're in line for a new JET9 The sus post might help, but to me I don't see it'd be enough help. We ain't young and that little bit of suspension realy helps once you've crossed that 8-10 hour mark and are tired, not concentrating and make mistakes.

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    I did not really rest too much at all.
    Standard laps were about 42 minutes or so and my longest was just over an hour.
    There were a few 1 hour laps in there but that was it.
    The rest of the time I was turning pedals.
    Plan is now to qualify for the World 24hr Solo Championships in the Elite category if I can and in reality I would like to be riding niner's at that event. In the meantime I need a FS for my qualifying events.

    The problem I see with the recommendations that I have seen are these:
    RacerX - old, old design that does not seem to have been refined for many years.
    Lenz - maybe, but a guy whose opinion I really respect has sort of warned me off.
    GF Superfly100 - no more available than the Jet.
    Epic - Still interested in this one.
    Turner TNT - Maybe as a temporary measure IF I can find one.

    I suppose all I am really asking for is some update as to whether these are still on track and how the design review is coming along.
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    you just need to build up an ultralight rip.............who cares what the fork looks like for a short term solution...............then transfer parts back to jet and build up a fun tough long travel trail bike.............long training rides will be much nicer on the rip then prob any other 29er.............and you will need long training for 24hour stuff................

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    the tnt sultan is everything than a fast bike and bobs like crazy without propedal.

    i would recommend you a dos niner, gives you a little more comfort than a hardtail without loosing speed. looking into full suspensions, the normal hifi 29er should ride pretty much identical to the superfly 100. just with a little more weight but still lighter than all other 29er full suspensions at about 2.6kg.

    i heard lots of good things about the pivot 29er for racing but I have never ridden it myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suvowner
    you just need to build up an ultralight rip.............who cares what the fork looks like for a short term solution...............then transfer parts back to jet and build up a fun tough long travel trail bike.............long training rides will be much nicer on the rip then prob any other 29er.............and you will need long training for 24hour stuff................
    That is an N-O.
    Definitely NOT interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellocook
    the tnt sultan is everything than a fast bike and bobs like crazy without propedal.

    i would recommend you a dos niner, gives you a little more comfort than a hardtail without loosing speed. looking into full suspensions, the normal hifi 29er should ride pretty much identical to the superfly 100. just with a little more weight but still lighter than all other 29er full suspensions at about 2.6kg.

    i heard lots of good things about the pivot 29er for racing but I have never ridden it myself.
    Not sure if you have ever done a 24hr solo on a rocky rutted track but I can say from experience that a HTor ST is NOT the way to go.
    1" of travel as provided by the Dos for this application is pointless IMO.
    People keep mentioning the Pivot but every build I see is HEAVY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    That is an N-O.
    Definitely NOT interested.

    Muzzanic, I know you would agree with me on this..........

    dude, why are you so anti RIP ???

    The frame is only 1.5 lbs heavier than the jet...........the suspension is very efficient, and climbs better than the jet when under heavy loads........i am convinced over rough stuff it is faster than the jet.............you said it was a very rough rocky rooty trail, a perfect rip trail, and will def beat you up less than the jet or a hard tail..........which after 12 hours could make quiet a bit of difference................I am a serious weight weenie also, and the rip isn't much different......

    and again, for training for a 24 hour, i couldn't think of a better bike to train on ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by suvowner
    Muzzanic, I know you would agree with me on this..........

    dude, why are you so anti RIP ???

    The frame is only 1.5 lbs heavier than the jet...........the suspension is very efficient, and climbs better than the jet when under heavy loads........i am convinced over rough stuff it is faster than the jet.............you said it was a very rough rocky rooty trail, a perfect rip trail, and will def beat you up less than the jet or a hard tail..........which after 12 hours could make quiet a bit of difference................I am a serious weight weenie also, and the rip isn't much different......

    and again, for training for a 24 hour, i couldn't think of a better bike to train on ???
    Personal choice.
    I do not want it.
    End of story.
    Just like I do not want a 5" DW Link Sultan.
    Nice bike, but I still dont want it.

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    well yea man, it is your bike and you should get whatever you want, but you did ask opinions, I am curious though, what is your reasoning/logic for not wanting a rip, that you could have for 800 dollars, vs one of the other bikes you listed ???

    generally I would consider weight/suspension design/stiffness/efficiency/suspension travel and how that applies to the terrain I expect to ride, there is def no one bike that is ideal on all courses..............

    short cat 1-3 races i think the jet is usually ideal..........for longer events i would lean for a plusher ride......i think vpp or cva is the way to go these days, the santa cruz tallboy might be a good option for you, prob plusher than the jet but lighter than the rip...........

    for road bike lightness and stiffness rain supreme, but for mtb you gotta consider suspension travel and design which can be a significant factor in lap times on various courses.......

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    I cannot have it for $800 as I got a Sir for $300.
    Other than for endurance racing I have absolutely no use for a long travel bike.
    My local trails are groomed beyond belief.
    4" travel is almost overkill on them and I generally ride them rigid and SS for the most part.
    Not sure what a short cat 3 race equates to down here but most of the guys doing short course down here will do them on a HT.

    Thread I read on the Tallboy and comments from Guitar Ted pointed to it being more trail/all mountain too and some of the comments on it as a ride were not so inspiring.

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    ok, i here ya, for me in the jet category it would be between the superfly 100 vs epic vs jet..........the epic with the brain is prob the most hard tail like ride, but it is high for a non carbon bike.......wouldn't buy a superfly without sram xx............

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    Look, to be honest I have done a lot of research on FS replacements over the past few days and am basically at the point of saying that there is nothing out there that I want/is actually available NOW other than perhaps the Epic.
    Some do not appeal to me (Titus, Pivot), some do not really suit and many more are simply not available at the moment.
    As I said in my reply to Lynx, I am just looking for some update as to where this process is and any further adjustments that have been made to the redesign as it has been quite a while since anything has been posted from Niner in relation to it.
    I loved my Jet when it was working and am sure that the redesign will be worth it, but I need a FS to race in the Worlds qualifiers. The first of these is early next year. If there is any chance at all that I can have my Jet for it, then I will sit and wait. If it is more likely to be April/May/June, then I have to make other plans.

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    ok I see..........you need to start bugging the shiit out of Frank at niner and see what you can get out of him, as he would know way sooner than any of us.........

    some at interbike thought they are having some money troubles......they may end up like fisher did with trek ??? maybe specialized will buy them !!

    come to think of it i do remember reading somethnig about the new jet being scandium, b/c it may not be anodized black, but they will prob have to do black paint
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    Dude, start planning then, because you've done this dance before and you know how they are with time frames.

    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Look, to be honest I have done a lot of research on FS replacements over the past few days and am basically at the point of saying that there is nothing out there that I want/is actually available NOW other than perhaps the Epic.
    Some do not appeal to me (Titus, Pivot), some do not really suit and many more are simply not available at the moment.
    As I said in my reply to Lynx, I am just looking for some update as to where this process is and any further adjustments that have been made to the redesign as it has been quite a while since anything has been posted from Niner in relation to it.
    I loved my Jet when it was working and am sure that the redesign will be worth it, but I need a FS to race in the Worlds qualifiers. The first of these is early next year. If there is any chance at all that I can have my Jet for it, then I will sit and wait. If it is more likely to be April/May/June, then I have to make other plans.
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    RIP means Ride IT Pu$$y

    Well it is a shame Niner made you buy the wrong bike to keep you going in the meantime.

    I know that you like the Jet9 & I guess on paper I can see why you wouldn't want the Rip9 as a race bike,However if you loved your Jet9 you would also love the 09 Rip9 even though it has more travel than you want/need,There is not alot in it between the 2 bikes on well groomed tracks & the ruffer the track gets the more the Rip9 will take out of the Jet9.

    I am sure that the 2010 Jet9 will kick the RIP9's butt but the 08/09 doesn't & if your doing events that long I agree with you the HT will not be faster.

    I think that your next move is to get over your self & atleast do what you can to take a 09 Rip9 for a ride ( I'm sure like everyone else that has you will be impressed ) Then you can make a decision based on fact not feelings.

    At your level it is about 70% rider & 30% bike ,so you have the speed & what you need is a great bike that will look after your body so you can get the job done.

    The RIP9 will do that for you,Ok it isn't a 2010 Jet9 but untill you can get your hands on 1 I realy think it is the next best thing.

    Given your result in the 24 hour race,If I were you & the Rip9 would do the job for you & would email Niner direct & see what they would do for you,I know that it would be a second bite of the cherry but finishing top 5 over all in a 24 hour solo holds more water than most people asking.

    Just my 2 cents,All the people that I helped win championships in motorsport had very open minds & would never rule something out without vast research.

    Even if you to work harder than you would like if you were to win a 24 hour Solo event on a Rip9 you would be a bloody legend.
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    TR, put some gears, the reba and a pair of 2.4 racing Ralphs on the SIR9 and take it to OHV.
    Another friendly tip is, do more MTB milage for MTB fitness, knock over as many 100k races as you can find and learn to ride the HT using your arms and legs as suss'

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic
    Well it is a shame Niner made you buy the wrong bike to keep you going in the meantime.

    I know that you like the Jet9 & I guess on paper I can see why you wouldn't want the Rip9 as a race bike,However if you loved your Jet9 you would also love the 09 Rip9 even though it has more travel than you want/need,There is not alot in it between the 2 bikes on well groomed tracks & the ruffer the track gets the more the Rip9 will take out of the Jet9.

    I am sure that the 2010 Jet9 will kick the RIP9's butt but the 08/09 doesn't & if your doing events that long I agree with you the HT will not be faster.

    I think that your next move is to get over your self & atleast do what you can to take a 09 Rip9 for a ride ( I'm sure like everyone else that has you will be impressed ) Then you can make a decision based on fact not feelings.

    At your level it is about 70% rider & 30% bike ,so you have the speed & what you need is a great bike that will look after your body so you can get the job done.

    The RIP9 will do that for you,Ok it isn't a 2010 Jet9 but untill you can get your hands on 1 I realy think it is the next best thing.

    Given your result in the 24 hour race,If I were you & the Rip9 would do the job for you & would email Niner direct & see what they would do for you,I know that it would be a second bite of the cherry but finishing top 5 over all in a 24 hour solo holds more water than most people asking.

    Just my 2 cents,All the people that I helped win championships in motorsport had very open minds & would never rule something out without vast research.

    Even if you to work harder than you would like if you were to win a 24 hour Solo event on a Rip9 you would be a bloody legend.
    I second this post, well said...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic
    Well it is a shame Niner made you buy the wrong bike to keep you going in the meantime.

    I know that you like the Jet9 & I guess on paper I can see why you wouldn't want the Rip9 as a race bike,However if you loved your Jet9 you would also love the 09 Rip9 even though it has more travel than you want/need,There is not alot in it between the 2 bikes on well groomed tracks & the ruffer the track gets the more the Rip9 will take out of the Jet9.

    I am sure that the 2010 Jet9 will kick the RIP9's butt but the 08/09 doesn't & if your doing events that long I agree with you the HT will not be faster.

    I think that your next move is to get over your self & atleast do what you can to take a 09 Rip9 for a ride ( I'm sure like everyone else that has you will be impressed ) Then you can make a decision based on fact not feelings.

    At your level it is about 70% rider & 30% bike ,so you have the speed & what you need is a great bike that will look after your body so you can get the job done.

    The RIP9 will do that for you,Ok it isn't a 2010 Jet9 but untill you can get your hands on 1 I realy think it is the next best thing.

    Given your result in the 24 hour race,If I were you & the Rip9 would do the job for you & would email Niner direct & see what they would do for you,I know that it would be a second bite of the cherry but finishing top 5 over all in a 24 hour solo holds more water than most people asking.

    Just my 2 cents,All the people that I helped win championships in motorsport had very open minds & would never rule something out without vast research.

    Even if you to work harder than you would like if you were to win a 24 hour Solo event on a Rip9 you would be a bloody legend.
    Wow, I don't think I could disagree with you more. I took a RIP9 as a replacement for my jet, and after riding it one time, about 15 miles I knew that this bike would never be able to fulfill my needs in a bike.

    The Jet9 has been my absolute favorite bike of all time. It was absolutely perfect for my Texas race courses and trails. The RIP is a totally different bike. The jet was slightly heavier than the bike I had before it, but I didn't really feel the difference. The JET just seemed to disappear underneath me. The RIP is substantially heavier (+1.3lbs) and man does it ever feel heavy. I thought it felt sluggish and lumbering, slow and unresponsive. I immediately thought this bike would be perfect for a big fat guy who likes to go on nice slow rides on the weekends.

    Not a race bike at all. It is far less efficient and just slower feeling. Our trails down here are all rock, with lots of short steep climbs and very technical. The JET just shined on these trails.

    I'm 160lbs @ 5'10", there's not much more I can lose. I have officially put the RIP up for sale, because frankly I hate it. If I was way overweight and just wanted a bike to screw around on, and I never wanted to do any fitness focused riding/racing than it would probably be an OK ride.
    It's just a totally different beast than the JET9

    Telling someone to "get over themselves" and ride a bike that they know isn't what they want or need is just totally nearsighted. It may not be about the bike, but you've gotta ride something across the gd finish line.

    I have been following TR's pondering about what to do about a replacement race bike and I completely empathize. I'm in the exact same boat, except I actually spent $800 to get I bike that I don't like. And now I don't know what is out there in a FS 29er that will really fill the JET's slot, based on what I've seen there's not much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crapscoop
    Wow, I don't think I could disagree with you more. I took a RIP9 as a replacement for my jet, and after riding it one time, about 15 miles I knew that this bike would never be able to fulfill my needs in a bike.

    The Jet9 has been my absolute favorite bike of all time. It was absolutely perfect for my Texas race courses and trails. The RIP is a totally different bike. The jet was slightly heavier than the bike I had before it, but I didn't really feel the difference. The JET just seemed to disappear underneath me. The RIP is substantially heavier (+1.3lbs) and man does it ever feel heavy. I thought it felt sluggish and lumbering, slow and unresponsive. I immediately thought this bike would be perfect for a big fat guy who likes to go on nice slow rides on the weekends.

    Not a race bike at all. It is far less efficient and just slower feeling. Our trails down here are all rock, with lots of short steep climbs and very technical. The JET just shined on these trails.

    I'm 160lbs @ 5'10", there's not much more I can lose. I have officially put the RIP up for sale, because frankly I hate it. If I was way overweight and just wanted a bike to screw around on, and I never wanted to do any fitness focused riding/racing than it would probably be an OK ride.
    It's just a totally different beast than the JET9

    Telling someone to "get over themselves" and ride a bike that they know isn't what they want or need is just totally nearsighted. It may not be about the bike, but you've gotta ride something across the gd finish line.

    I have been following TR's pondering about what to do about a replacement race bike and I completely empathize. I'm in the exact same boat, except I actually spent $800 to get I bike that I don't like. And now I don't know what is out there in a FS 29er that will really fill the JET's slot, based on what I've seen there's not much.
    no doubt there is a different subjective feel of the jet vs the rip............it is most noticeable on short to medium length climbs, however over an entire course that has a decent amount of technical sections and or decents I think you will find your lap times are about the same........subjective feel is nice to talk about, but really means very little unless there is lap time data to prove something is slower...........

    I have raced both rip and jet and finished better in a larger pack of same front riders on the rip vs jet.......finished almost identical time behind same rider on the jet vs the rip.....

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    know that you like the Jet9 & I guess on paper I can see why you wouldn't want the Rip9 as a race bike,However if you loved your Jet9 you would also love the 09 Rip9 even though it has more travel than you want/need,There is not alot in it between the 2 bikes on well groomed tracks & the ruffer the track gets the more the Rip9 will take out of the Jet9.

    I am sure that the 2010 Jet9 will kick the RIP9's butt but the 08/09 doesn't & if your doing events that long I agree with you the HT will not be faster.

    I think that your next move is to get over your self & atleast do what you can to take a 09 Rip9 for a ride (I'm sure like everyone else that has you will be impressed ) Then you can make a decision based on fact not feelings.
    I second that opinion too...

    Until last week, I was completely ruling out the Rip9. I had a Jet9 and thought it was the best thing out there. Bottom line. I chose to get Rip9 just to sell it as soon as I get it from Niner and get a Superly 100. However, when I received it, I decided to build it up with the same parts I had on the Jet… just to see how the ride is... It was 7.5 pounds vs 6.25 pounds for the Jet on the digital scale. Believe me I had absolutely no enthusiasm about it. I expected it would be sluggish, heavy and slow and bad. Damn I was so wrong. I saw the light and I can testify that the 2009 Rip9 is faster than the former Jet9. Likely because it is much stiffer laterally ans has more travel. There is trail that I use as a benchmark to test all my bikes. It's a mix of various terrain and I was a bit faster on the Rip9. It was a HUGE surprise. Going uphill, it is by no mean slower. I kept the same speed I had with the Jet. Going over rough stuff and small bumps is more plush and going downhill too as I can use a bit more travel. It’s like a hovercraft. When I stand up and sprint, it is as quick as the Jet. I regret I didn't had that bike in the races I did last summer, but I'm looking forward to have that weapon next year.. (along with the Superfly 100 - my dealer is pretty cool, he will sell me only the frameset and sell the remaining parts on the web ). My mind is now completely changed about the Rip9 and I won't sell it. It's way too good.

    You should at least throw a leg over that bike. According to me it is a waste of time to wait for the new Jet9 because the difference between both is so small, unless it made of scandium and goes under 6 pounds...

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    different subjective feel of the jet vs the rip
    Well said I like it Real "objective" data from test show Rip is faster but if you ride it thinking it is badder, it will likely be...

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    Very good good points. I bought the Jet for the same reasons. I already have a DW Sultan, so I have the bigger bike covered. And though I love my Sultan when I'm not racing, it's not a race bike. Some of us are trying to persuade DT to build up a Sultan Lite, but nothing has been announced. So I'm hedging my bets and found a used Mach 429. The frame weight is a little over a 1/2 pound more than the Jet, which is fine with me. This is going to be a project over the winter, since I'll still have my replacement MCR to hold me over until then.

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    2TNE, the 29er forum awaits your Jet-429 comparo next year. Just be prepared for Fo's mockery and mean-spirited comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer
    2TNE, the 29er forum awaits your Jet-429 comparo next year. Just be prepared for Fo's mockery and mean-spirited comments.
    Yeah, I'm anxious for it also. Unfortunately, the new MCR build is taking enough of the parts from the Jet that it's gonna take some time/money to get the goodies that I really want for a very blingy 429 build.

    Oh don't worry. The mockery has already begun. I figure I can be Fo's whipping boy on this, so others won't have to.

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    Telling me to throw a leg over a Rip is not as simple as for someone in the US.
    There is probably a hanful (if that) of these in Australia and there is no such thing as a test fleet for me to borrow.
    And I am not going to "get over myself" and buy one as a stop gap measure.

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    Your suggestion on the Sir is hilarious.

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    TR i think I recall you ripping some people over fork travel or something, that you thought was a terible idea, until you rode one with that travel and you liked it...........i.e. don't knock the rip until you try it.........if thats not possible then I understand your dillema.......

    just saying !!!

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    It is not possible to try and not something I would be wiling to lay down approx $2500 - 3000 Australian to buy on a chance ( and have no further use for when the Jet finally arrives).

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    well then prob your best bet is to just try and suck it up on the hardtail and wait for the jet replacement......just take more advil before your long hardtrail rides........

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    Hope Really..............

    I would have to say that I basically agree with everything you said EXCEPT for the BS part about if your fat/over weight and don't like to ride fast or train hard Utter $hit You're 160 and 5'10" and can't loose any more course you can, stop making excuses, I'm 6'2" and 165lbs, I happen to own an earlier version RIP9 which I put about 4k miles on in the first year before it broke, I since then have eased off and only put about 2.5k miles on the replacement frame. Guess my try at the Laramie Enduro 111km race and Leadville 100 were just bogus

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    Wow, I don't think I could disagree with you more. I took a RIP9 as a replacement for my jet, and after riding it one time, about 15 miles I knew that this bike would never be able to fulfill my needs in a bike.

    The Jet9 has been my absolute favorite bike of all time. It was absolutely perfect for my Texas race courses and trails. The RIP is a totally different bike. The jet was slightly heavier than the bike I had before it, but I didn't really feel the difference. The JET just seemed to disappear underneath me. The RIP is substantially heavier (+1.3lbs) and man does it ever feel heavy. I thought it felt sluggish and lumbering, slow and unresponsive.
    I immediately thought this bike would be perfect for a big fat guy who likes to go on nice slow rides on the weekends.

    Not a race bike at all. It is far less efficient and just slower feeling. Our trails down here are all rock, with lots of short steep climbs and very technical. The JET just shined on these trails.

    I'm 160lbs @ 5'10", there's not much more I can lose. I have officially put the RIP up for sale, because frankly I hate it.
    If I was way overweight and just wanted a bike to screw around on, and I never wanted to do any fitness focused riding/racing than it would probably be an OK ride.
    It's just a totally different beast than the JET9

    Telling someone to "get over themselves" and ride a bike that they know isn't what they want or need is just totally nearsighted. It may not be about the bike, but you've gotta ride something across the gd finish line.

    I have been following TR's pondering about what to do about a replacement race bike and I completely empathize. I'm in the exact same boat, except I actually spent $800 to get I bike that I don't like. And now I don't know what is out there in a FS 29er that will really fill the JET's slot, based on what I've seen there's not much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    You're 160 and 5'10" and can't loose any more course you can, stop making excuses,
    Well this isn't really about me and my size, but I recently participated in a BMI study here at the University of Texas, that involved underwater weighing, and bodpod scans. I ended up having ~9% body fat. I don't workout, I just ride and train. My coach and I have agreed that if I were to try and lose any more weight that I would quickly reach a point of diminishing returns.

    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    I'm 6'2" and 165lbs, I happen to own an earlier version RIP9 which I put about 4k miles on in the first year before it broke,
    Hmmm... lets see thats about 76miles per week, so if you did that in 2, 2.5 rides a week you would have a point, but I somehow doubt that this is the case. I'm afraid that this statement does more to prove my point than discredit it. I didn't mean to insinuate that one must be overweight to go on long slow rides b/c that's obviously not the case. ^^^

    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    Guess my try at the Laramie Enduro 111km race and Leadville 100 were just bogus
    And what were your finishing times?

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    And once again you ASSume that the RIP9 is my only bike I finished Laramie in 9:07 and Leadville I had to pull out 87 miles due to altitude related breathing issues.

    Obviously you're a super star elite racer who only rides above 16mph and does 10k a year and if you don't do that then you lazy and ride slow yeah dropping my RHR from 72 bpm down to 52bpm in about a year and the dropping that down to 42 bpm when I got the RIP definitely indicates that I can't do any fitness focused riding on it

    As to you couldn't loose more weight, hum, the NON lazy guys who race weigh less for your height and still maintain power, I know of so many 5'10" guys who weigh 150lbs or under and get podiums regularly.

    Quote Originally Posted by crapscoop
    Well this isn't really about me and my size, but I recently participated in a BMI study here at the University of Texas, that involved underwater weighing, and bodpod scans. I ended up having ~9% body fat. I don't workout, I just ride and train. My coach and I have agreed that if I were to try and lose any more weight that I would quickly reach a point of diminishing returns.



    Hmmm... lets see thats about 76miles per week, so if you did that in 2, 2.5 rides a week you would have a point, but I somehow doubt that this is the case. I'm afraid that this statement does more to prove my point than discredit it. I didn't mean to insinuate that one must be overweight to go on long slow rides b/c that's obviously not the case. ^^^



    And what were your finishing times?
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    Oh well, we managed to stay semi-on track for a while there anyway.

    Seems to be nothing to be gained from this thread really.
    Maybe Niner will step up and comment,
    Until then I will keep looking at my options elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    And once again you ASSume that the RIP9 is my only bike I finished Laramie in 9:07 and Leadville I had to pull out 87 miles due to altitude related breathing issues.

    Obviously you're a super star elite racer who only rides above 16mph and does 10k a year and if you don't do that then you lazy and ride slow yeah dropping my RHR from 72 bpm down to 52bpm in about a year and the dropping that down to 42 bpm when I got the RIP definitely indicates that I can't do any fitness focused riding on it

    As to you couldn't loose more weight, hum, the NON lazy guys who race weigh less for your height and still maintain power, I know of so many 5'10" guys who weigh 150lbs or under and get podiums regularly.
    bottom line, is its really about the engine........rip vs jet really is a small difference, atleast muzzanic and I have some data to prove that, interesting that muzzanic thought for sure he felt faster on the jet, but lap times showed somethnig different.......

    interesting data on your resting heart rate changes...........curious as to your age and your average hours ridden per week ?? do you do specific interrvals and stuff , or just find harder trails for harder rides ??? Do you do any runnnig for fitness or just ride ??

    87 miles at Leadville is damn strong..............if you would have been altitude acclimated you would have prob finished very strong......seems I read your an island boy, thats about as sea level as you can get, you either gotta get your hands on some epo or get an altitude tent, otehrwise that sea level hematocrit will get you every time at 12k feet !!

    9% bodyfat for an extreme racer dude is a little high...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    And once again you ....................150lbs or under and get podiums regularly.
    Ok, I've thoroughly derailed the conversation. I shouldn't have gone where I did in my last post and for that I apologize. Who rides what, and how fast really has no bearing on this conversation. In my first post I shouldn't have characterized the "type" of rider that the RIP was a good fit for. These kinds of heated conversations on this forum (and others) always come from a disagreement over someone's personal opinion.

    I don't care if you ride your bike fast or slow or if you're fat or skinny. The point I was trying to make earlier is that not everyone who loved their JET will love the RIP. I'm sure the RIP really shines under many different uses. It however does not IMO shine where I need it to. To me it feels slow and cumbersome.

    And as far as our engines go... we obviously have different goals for our riding/racing. I have never (probably won't ever) try leadville. I'm just not interested in that kind of endurance event, well... and I can't handle altitude at all. I will give you props for giving it a go and going as far as you did.... its farther than I would have made it.

    I'm tired of the argument that the bike is the smallest part of the equation. It doesn't matter how fit someone is, if their bike feels slow to them, that will get in their (my) head.

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    very respectable post crapscoop...............and good point..........I too am torn with what to fill the gap between my rip and one 9......i am very reluctant to buy another aluminum bike, so that leaves at the moment only the superfly 100......although a carbon epic 29er is a bit more appealing, the new jet will be nice, but don't know if it can beat out a carbon epic or the superfly 100.....if there were a carbon jet in the near future, now that would be an easy decision......

    I'd buy you a beer if I could................

    happy riding !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by crapscoop
    Wow, I don't think I could disagree with you more. I took a RIP9 as a replacement for my jet, and after riding it one time, about 15 miles I knew that this bike would never be able to fulfill my needs in a bike.

    The Jet9 has been my absolute favorite bike of all time. It was absolutely perfect for my Texas race courses and trails. The RIP is a totally different bike. The jet was slightly heavier than the bike I had before it, but I didn't really feel the difference. The JET just seemed to disappear underneath me. The RIP is substantially heavier (+1.3lbs) and man does it ever feel heavy. I thought it felt sluggish and lumbering, slow and unresponsive. I immediately thought this bike would be perfect for a big fat guy who likes to go on nice slow rides on the weekends.

    Not a race bike at all. It is far less efficient and just slower feeling. Our trails down here are all rock, with lots of short steep climbs and very technical. The JET just shined on these trails.

    I'm 160lbs @ 5'10", there's not much more I can lose. I have officially put the RIP up for sale, because frankly I hate it. If I was way overweight and just wanted a bike to screw around on, and I never wanted to do any fitness focused riding/racing than it would probably be an OK ride.
    It's just a totally different beast than the JET9

    Telling someone to "get over themselves" and ride a bike that they know isn't what they want or need is just totally nearsighted. It may not be about the bike, but you've gotta ride something across the gd finish line.

    I have been following TR's pondering about what to do about a replacement race bike and I completely empathize. I'm in the exact same boat, except I actually spent $800 to get I bike that I don't like. And now I don't know what is out there in a FS 29er that will really fill the JET's slot, based on what I've seen there's not much.
    You sound alot like the mid field guys I used to help they all thought they were at the top of there game & it was only the gear they had that was holding them back

    Funny how all the winning people I helped were always hard on themself & were always working hard on everything because they knew that there is always room to improve & as soon as you don't beleave that you slide back to the mid field with all the other people that are at the top of there game ( shame the top of there game is so low )

    I guess even if you knew how to set the RIP9 it may not have helped because you still need the nuts to ride it.
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    Well TR I know this may well not be an option but if you had some air points that need using There is a bed,a bike & a car you can use for a week over here in Tauranga, New Zealand If you wanted to try a RIP9 & some new trails.
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    Further derailment............

    ..........just to answer SV's?

    I just turned 40 last month, my resting HR now is not that low as I just am not training for anything and ride for pleasure/fun - sadly it's now somewhere back around 58bpm. I actually started riding MTBs for fitness to lower my HR because I had totally given up exercise for about 6-7 years during my computer learning and addiction stint before that I used to play roller hockey and ride a bike nearly every day as transport, then one day sitting at the comp I decided to check my HR and found it to be 72bpm and from memory of checking it as a 12 yr old remember it being around 60bpm.

    So I went to the doc and she told me it was way high for my then 35 yrs old age and I needed to start exercising immediately - this was Jan '04. I started riding my old circa 1980 Scwhinn road bike, but it had always been to small for me and decided I needed a new bike and opted for an MTB and 2 wheelsets so I could have some fun as well Well that crappy Diamondback EX lasted me about 10 months before the crappy part started wearing out, but to give it some fairness I had put 1800 miles on them in that time and my HR had dropped down to around 60bpm by then.

    So I took the plunge and ordered up a "real" MTB GIANT Trance and logged about 2400 the 1st year with that and the HR dropped below 60bpm. The 2nd year I logged about 3500 miles and happened to take a visint MTBer out for a ride and he planted the seed in my head about endurance racing and that I seemed perfect for it, because although our highest point on theisland is 1100ft, our hills range from 8-20% gradient regularly and hence I had grown strong at climbing - my "slight 6'2" 175lb frame also helped.

    So towards the end of '06 I did some research on Leadville and decided I try my hand at it and sent in the application and started training - my HR about then was around 50bpm. By then time I was ready to head to Leadville my RHR was 42 bpm and I had logged about 3700-4k in the 6.5 months of '07.

    At Denvers' altitude I didn't feel too bad on that first day and attacked the climbs quite well, 2 days later I was in Laramie "warming up" for Leadville by trying that race - it was brutal, completing those 70 miles and 8500ft of climbing between altitudes of 7600-8600ft was grueling and when I finished I swore I would just go to Leadville and volunteer.

    .............long story short.............. I felt great at the start, but was behind very no technical riders and sufffered for it, then tried to push too hard towards the 50 mile turnaround and felt like $hit after 2.5 hours climbing and stayed @ 12,600 ft resting for 15 mins. bombed the descent, had a load of fun, crabbed some drink at the aid dtstaion and motored back the 15 miles 7 mins slower than outbound, then ran out of my nutrition and tried to suppliment with what they provided and it didn't do well, ;pulled out after climbing Powerline in just under an hour - 10 hours 7 mins and 87 miles and I was having trouble brwathing on the descent when not working, so pulled out.


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    bottom line, is its really about the engine........rip vs jet really is a small difference, atleast muzzanic and I have some data to prove that, interesting that muzzanic thought for sure he felt faster on the jet, but lap times showed somethnig different.......

    interesting data on your resting heart rate changes...........curious as to your age and your average hours ridden per week ?? do you do specific interrvals and stuff , or just find harder trails for harder rides ??? Do you do any runnnig for fitness or just ride ??

    87 miles at Leadville is damn strong..............if you would have been altitude acclimated you would have prob finished very strong......seems I read your an island boy, thats about as sea level as you can get, you either gotta get your hands on some epo or get an altitude tent, otehrwise that sea level hematocrit will get you every time at 12k feet !!

    9% bodyfat for an extreme racer dude is a little high...........
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    Well TR I know this may well not be an option but if you had some air points that need using There is a bed,a bike & a car you can use for a week over here in Tauranga, New Zealand If you wanted to try a RIP9 & some new trails.
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    Not sure what size frame you need but I was interested in this Titus before I realized it was a large. Think the guy has it relisted @ 1,399 and probably would go down. Not bad deal for Frame, Fork, King headset. -C

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    If airfare from here to there was even remotely priced, you'd have a visitor by Monday [/QUOTE]

    Yes it is a bit out of the way.

    I'm lucky, I'm having to work out were to go as we have alot of air points to use before the end of the year or we loose them,

    So I know I'm going somewere I just don't know were yet.

    At this stage the F1 in Australia is top of the list but we will have to work out soon.

    My wife works over seas a bit so we get plenty of air points, She is going to Malaysia next weekend to work for a week.
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    Ding, ding, we have a winner Would be so cool to go see the F1, I turned down the oportunity when I was 6 living in England to go to Branz hatch in the 70's and have never been since.

    Not only would visiting you over in NZ be cool from an MTB POV, but also to see what sort of work you do car wise. My bros rally and I like to watch, am somewhat "forced" into pit crewing and general helping out. You haven't perhaps done any work for any Barbadians car wise?

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    If airfare from here to there was even remotely priced, you'd have a visitor by Monday
    Yes it is a bit out of the way.

    I'm lucky, I'm having to work out were to go as we have alot of air points to use before the end of the year or we loose them,

    So I know I'm going somewere I just don't know were yet.



    My wife works over seas a bit so we get plenty of air points, She is going to Malaysia next weekend to work for a week.
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    I want some pics of the new Jet soon.
    A prototype should be already set up and running?
    Anxious to see some real life report about the new Jet.

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    Forks for the new JET

    So, if i am reading this right, the new JET will have a headtube for a tapered fork just like the RIP. Last time i looked FOX does not yet have a F29RLC with a tapered steerer with the 15mm axel. Anybody have the low down on forks with tapered steerer tubes?

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    There is some discussion here

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=568209

    In addition, I was told by my LBS that quality has a 100mm Reba Team 9mm and a 120mm Reba Team Maxle in the system at Quality, but estimated in stock date is 1.5 months out. I'd treat that as speculation at this point though until someone from SRAM confirms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankarm
    So, if i am reading this right, the new JET will have a headtube for a tapered fork just like the RIP. Last time i looked FOX does not yet have a F29RLC with a tapered steerer with the 15mm axel. Anybody have the low down on forks with tapered steerer tubes?
    By the time the JETs are ready, we'll have forks available. Marzocchi, RockShox and Fox. If you already own a Fox you were running on the JET, it can be "upgraded" to tapered steerer tube by purchasing the uppers from Fox for $285. Or, you can just run your old fork using the crown race for the 1 1/8 steerer tube that will come with the new frame. The RIP came with 2 crown races - 1 for the 1 1/8 steerer tube standard and one for the taperered steerer tubes. So between now and then, we all have to decide what we want to do. Use our old forks. Upgrade the ones we have. Or buy a new one. <a href="https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php" title="Smileys"><img src="https://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-confused013.gif" alt="Smileys" border="0" /></a>

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    I would have to say that I basically agree with everything you said EXCEPT for the BS part about if your fat/over weight and don't like to ride fast or train hard Utter $hit You're 160 and 5'10" and can't loose any more course you can, stop making excuses, I'm 6'2" and 165lbs, I happen to own an earlier version RIP9 which I put about 4k miles on in the first year before it broke, I since then have eased off and only put about 2.5k miles on the replacement frame. Guess my try at the Laramie Enduro 111km race and Leadville 100 were just bogus

    Now that is a good workaround... find a V 1.1 or later 2007 or 2008 RIP, which are a lot closer in weight to the 2008 /2009 Jets, build it up and race it. Lots of smalls and mediums out there, that are rock solid and climb and ride very, very close to the way the jet does. And if 4.5 " of travel bothers you, bump the pressure up on the rear shock so you get 3" of travel.

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