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    Thanks for posting the link. Pretty much everything my SS SIR 9 commuter is plus some. Personally I would prefer it with flat bars.

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    Ah, beat me to it! Just saw that too! Nice!

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    Very cool.

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    Niner has been very busy.
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    I would like one. Sell my Madone that I use for training and replace with a RLT and get a more versatile bike in the process.

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    Seems pricey. 2000.00 for a bike with 105 and Tiagra parts?

    You can get a 11sp Ultegra level CAADX for 2170.00?

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    Very exciting news. This frameset looks to have all the features that salsa dropped the ball on with the warbird. Looks like niner might be getting more of my business, my old la cruz is getting a bit long in the tooth and will NOT be replaced by a bike that cannot double as a CX bike... this bike looks like it would do just fine as a backup CX race bike while primarily being a gravel grinder.

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    I don't need another type of bike! Damn you Niner sending me these tempting emails.
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    I was shopping for a gravel grinder/xcross frame, guess I will be waiting a couple months!!
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    Pretty colours gorgeous dropouts, pre-order deposit paid already...

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    So it's a light Cross-Check with discs?

    (not a bad thing)

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    Any thoughts on how this might serve as a do a road/gravel/trainer for the non-road rider?

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    Seems like it. Its for the MTBer that don't want to be a roadie...but wants to ride road.

    Hope to see it at Interbike next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS VR6 View Post
    Seems like it. Its for the MTBer that don't want to be a roadie...but wants to ride road.

    Hope to see it at Interbike next week.
    Pretty much exactly how I'm looking at it. I'm in the middle of building a rigid, Niner for the road.. This just may do the trick instead. Though, may want a straight bar.. We'll see..

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    Why would they put a PF30 73mm shell on it? Who wants to run a MTB crank on a CX/Gravel bike? Hopefully that's a typo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by briscoelab View Post
    Why would they put a PF30 73mm shell on it? Who wants to run a MTB crank on a CX/Gravel bike? Hopefully that's a typo.
    why would you want to run a road crank? it can go both ways. for me, who has lots of mtb parts...i can throw a crank on and ride. its becoming a new bb standard...
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    No it's not. You can run a 73mm mountain crank on a 68 shell with some spacers. This is being marketed as a gravel and cx bike. Why put a "heavy" and wide MTB crank on a bike that is going to see use on mixed road surfaces. That just doesn't make sense. It's not a touring bike... you don't need super low gears. With the new range of mid cage road ders, you can easily run a 34T little ring with a 32T cog.

    In their promo shots they have it setup with a typical CX/gravel gearing setup on the cranks. Maybe it's just a typo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by five5 View Post
    Pretty much exactly how I'm looking at it. I'm in the middle of building a rigid, Niner for the road.. This just may do the trick instead. Though, may want a straight bar.. We'll see..
    Try drop bars. You'll like the multiple hand positions they give you. Thats the one thing I keep having to get used to when I ride my MTB...I only have one hand position with a flat bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by briscoelab View Post
    No it's not. You can run a 73mm mountain crank on a 68 shell with some spacers. This is being marketed as a gravel and cx bike. Why put a "heavy" and wide MTB crank on a bike that is going to see use on mixed road surfaces. That just doesn't make sense. It's not a touring bike... you don't need super low gears. With the new range of mid cage road ders, you can easily run a 34T little ring with a 32T cog.

    In their promo shots they have it setup with a typical CX/gravel gearing setup on the cranks. Maybe it's just a typo?
    some spacers... i did that once. 3 was needed. messed up chain line real bad. it was a cx bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiflow_21 View Post
    This frameset looks to have all the features that salsa dropped the ball on with the warbird.
    Where, do you feel, Salsa dropped the ball on the Warbird?
    I was pretty convinced that I would be getting a Warbird this winter, but the RLT9 now is on the list. I'm interested to hear what the +/- are for each bike (I know it's too early to tell on the RLT9... but the specs look decent).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacons View Post
    Where, do you feel, Salsa dropped the ball on the Warbird?
    I was pretty convinced that I would be getting a Warbird this winter, but the RLT9 now is on the list. I'm interested to hear what the +/- are for each bike (I know it's too early to tell on the RLT9... but the specs look decent).
    Salsa screwed up the warbird by building a bike that doesn't make sense. They routed the cables under the top tube so it's very inconvenient to use as a cyclocross or backup cx bike. They also made the mistake of going with a max tire clearance of 38c, making it not ideal for a number of gravel riders/racers... it's supposed primary purpose. Also, no fender and/or rack mounts is a downside to some.

    Niner fixed these problems by offering easily accessible internal cable routing, 45mm tire clearance, and a cleanly designed frame/fork that allows fenders.

    I appreciate that niner isn't going the way of salsa and offering bikes to a very fine niche while forgetting about easily/cheaply added functional specs that many appreciate... citing their philosophy as the reason.

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    I like my Warbird, but I would much rather have the RLT than Salsa.
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    Really like this bike. I think it may be my first road-kinda bike. Any opinions on the builds? I am not familiar with road components. Is the higher build worth the extra thousand, or just go cheap? What about just frame and building? Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_tires_are_fun View Post
    Really like this bike. I think it may be my first road-kinda bike. Any opinions on the builds? I am not familiar with road components. Is the higher build worth the extra thousand, or just go cheap? What about just frame and building? Thanks
    The $2k build is not bad. Its similar to the Warbird build but at a better price.
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    Thank you... That probably makes sense since the frame and fork alone is over 1,000
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    I appreciate the Warbird & RLT comments. Good to hear from a Warbird owner as well. I think you guys changed my mind... I may go Niner. I look forward to the reviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_tires_are_fun View Post
    Really like this bike. I think it may be my first road-kinda bike. Any opinions on the builds? I am not familiar with road components. Is the higher build worth the extra thousand, or just go cheap? What about just frame and building? Thanks
    I'm in the same position (strictly Mtber looking for a do all road option with NO knowledge of road bike gear) and I appreciate the responses. This is definitely on my radar now!

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    I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to get miles in during the weekdays once day light savings hits in a month and I really don't want to get a true 'road bike'. I live in Atlanta and want to pickup a bike to ride the city streets in the early morning before work.

    Apologize in advance for the dumb question, but would this bike be over/under kill for city riding? Wasn't sure if I need to cave and shop for a road bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSATL77 View Post
    I'm trying to figure out how I'm going to get miles in during the weekdays once day light savings hits in a month and I really don't want to get a true 'road bike'. I live in Atlanta and want to pickup a bike to ride the city streets in the early morning before work.

    Apologize in advance for the dumb question, but would this bike be over/under kill for city riding? Wasn't sure if I need to cave and shop for a road bike...
    Not overkill at all in my opinion. I use a Warbird as my gravel grinder and sometimes road bike. For what its worth, I'm more of a mountain biker, but I got the Warbird to do some gravel races that are put on locally and now I am in love with gravel grinding. The RLT seems like a good alternative to the Warbird and a do it all type of bike. $2k is not a bad price at all.
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    Thanks for the quick reply J3SSEB. One last question on sizing... Would I go for the 56cm frame at 5'10 - 5'11?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSATL77 View Post
    Thanks for the quick reply J3SSEB. One last question on sizing... Would I go for the 56cm frame at 5'10 - 5'11?
    I can't say with certainty what frame size you should be on, but I can say that typically someone in that range in stature would ride a 56cm or 55cm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trumpus View Post
    I'm in the same position (strictly Mtber looking for a do all road option with NO knowledge of road bike gear) and I appreciate the responses. This is definitely on my radar now!
    For the guys with little road knowledge, think of both 105 and Rival as roughly equivalent to SLX level components. Rival is slightly lighter, but I prefer shimano 105. Everyone has their own preferences so it'd be best to try both somewhere, the shifting action is different between shimano and sram. Both groupsets are great, so you'll be fine with either build.

    Once you get farther into the details the $3k build has a few upgrades over the $2k (crank, wheelset, hydro disc brakes, carbon seatpost). If I were buying now I'd likely opt for the $3k build primarily based on the wheels and hydro disc brakes, however the $2k build is well spec'd as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiflow_21 View Post
    For the guys with little road knowledge, think of both 105 and Rival as roughly equivalent to SLX level components. Rival is slightly lighter, but I prefer shimano 105. Everyone has their own preferences so it'd be best to try both somewhere, the shifting action is different between shimano and sram. Both groupsets are great, so you'll be fine with either build.


    Once you get farther into the details the $3k build has a few upgrades over the $2k (crank, wheelset, hydro disc brakes, carbon seatpost). If I were buying now I'd likely opt for the $3k build primarily based on the wheels and hydro disc brakes, however the $2k build is well spec'd as well.
    I ride about 2,000 miles a year on the road on a Trek Madone. I have a mix of Dura Ace and Ultegra parts. I'm looking at selling my Madone and rolling the funds over to the RLT once it is available. I've been looking for a CX bike that might handle more like a MTB. I've thought about building a A9C with a rigid fork and drop bars to archive this. Now the RLT fits into my plan nicely.

    As far as components go. The 105 is closer to LX/X9 then any thing else. I'm going to get the base model and upgrade with a couple sets of wheels. One for the road and one for the dirt.

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    Compatible Chainsets

    Anyone have any ideas of some compatible double chainsets. Don't fancy using MTB ones.

    Niner have the following in their builds:

    SRAM S350
    SRAM S550

    Any other light non carbon options? Don't mind running a FP30 adapter for external BB or ISIS. It's the 73mm shells that's seems to kill the options available. Even the Shimano CX chainsets are 68mm only .

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    One of us should give Niner a call and confirm that spacing. I'm really thinking it's a typo. Those Sram cranks are PF30 road cranks. It is possible they have a longer spindle though.

    If it truly is PF30 with 73mm spacing, I bet you could run any 386 Evo style crankset though. Those work on pretty much any BB standard. I have an FSA model on a PF30 (68mm) CX frame and it requires spacers to make up the extra width missing on the BB shell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim1234 View Post
    Anyone have any ideas of some compatible double chainsets. Don't fancy using MTB ones.

    Niner have the following in their builds:

    SRAM S350
    SRAM S550

    Any other light non carbon options? Don't mind running a FP30 adapter for external BB or ISIS. It's the 73mm shells that's seems to kill the options available. Even the Shimano CX chainsets are 68mm only .
    Can someone care to take a few minutes to detail for me the deficiency associated with mountain bike cranksets on CX bikes? Is it simply Q factor and weight? Because there are numerous low profile and light weight options. Is it the available bolt patterns and ring sizes?

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    MTB cranks are great, on mountain bikes

    Basically what you've said. MTB cranks are typically heavier and much wider than a standard road/cx crankset. Even a Sram narrow Q MTB crankset is about 10mm wider than a typical road crank. That's actually a lot and can mess with some people's knees.

    Also, your mention of bolt patterns and chainrings are most relevant. A gravel bike or CX bike would typically be a 110mm bolt pattern, with something like a 46/36 chainring setup. You can run down to a 33T ring on that bolt pattern and up to 53T rings are easily found.

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    This build looks like SRAM Red. I can't zoom in enough on the picture though to confirm for sure. That would open up alot of option for cranks.

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    S550 and S350 are both 68mm road cranks normally. 73mm is either a typo, or these cranks are being custom made for niner with a 73mm compatible spindle length.

    Personally I'd prefer 68mm primarily due to the increase in the number of crank options.

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    That pic is of a Red BB30 crank. So, most likely a typo.

    But, some sram cranks (like the BB30 models used on the quarq power meters) have a longer spindle to let them work on 386 evo frames and with BSA30 BB cups on normal threaded frames as well. So, it's hard to say 100%. But, it's looking highly like a typo.

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    My guess is that it's 73mm with the BioCentric 30 installed, 68 for a regular PF30. That would mean if you wanted to run SS you'd be looking at an MTB crankset but if you go PF30 then any road model should fit.

    I might be wrong, but it seems logical. Niner can chime in.

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    Oooo, this has me looking at Niners again! I already have a nice MTB for tracks and rough stuff... but I'd love a good-looking yet robust second bike that I could commute on; ride on the road when off-road is too muddy; do some light touring; and ride lots of gravel miles in a South Island summer. Definitely worth keeping an eye on.

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    Any word on ETA?

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    Why did they go aluminum? Salsa did the same. I always hear al is more rough on your back than steel or carbon. I'm not putting it down, just curious. I have a steel cx and mtb ss and love it. Great looking bike none the less.

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    Placed my order at the LBS yesterday. They mentioned I should have it in less than a month.
    On sizing... I had my mind set on a 59cm (I am 6'1"), but the guys at the shop strongly encouraged me to go 56 based on the frame's geometry. (the good news is they will be getting a 56 and 59 at the same time and I will have my pick. But they are betting I will go with the 56).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH View Post
    My guess is that it's 73mm with the BioCentric 30 installed, 68 for a regular PF30. That would mean if you wanted to run SS you'd be looking at an MTB crankset but if you go PF30 then any road model should fit.

    I might be wrong, but it seems logical. Niner can chime in.

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    Just got an email back from Niner & the BB shell is 73mm.

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    Another eMail from Niner. Its a typo & the BB shell is actual 68mm. Yeah.

    Hi.

    I have to apologize the BB shell width is 68 mm on that frame. There was a mistake on the web site that we are fixing.

    Ride On!

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    Awesome!

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    Almost pulled the trigger on a new warbird a few days ago but glad I spent more time goolging and found this! Anyone receive theirs yet?

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    Almost pulled the trigger on a new warbird a few days ago but glad I spent more time goolging and found this! Anyone receive theirs yet?
    My Niner dealer told me to expect them in February. Is this not the case? Has anyone else heard otherwise?

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    My Niner dealer told me to expect them in February. Is this not the case? Has anyone else heard otherwise?
    Mine said January... When I put my deposit down it was December/January....so sliding right with each visit.

    I've been collecting parts...soon I'm gonna have everything but the frame and the wait is really gonna hurt then

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    I talked to a Niner guy at a demo today. He said they expect the first run to be late January.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiflow_21 View Post
    For the guys with little road knowledge, think of both 105 and Rival as roughly equivalent to SLX level components. Rival is slightly lighter, but I prefer shimano 105. Everyone has their own preferences so it'd be best to try both somewhere, the shifting action is different between shimano and sram. Both groupsets are great, so you'll be fine with either build.

    Once you get farther into the details the $3k build has a few upgrades over the $2k (crank, wheelset, hydro disc brakes, carbon seatpost). If I were buying now I'd likely opt for the $3k build primarily based on the wheels and hydro disc brakes, however the $2k build is well spec'd as well.
    I am currently debating which build to get as well. What makes you like the 105 over the Rival? For me I am debating durability and reliability in mud. I plan on taking this bike on some really long rides multi day rides where it might get really wet and muddy. Am leaning towards the $2k build for that reason alone in case I destroy the bike quickly, but kinda wanted to upgrade the wheels so am on the fence cause once I upgrade the wheels I will be at almost $3K anyway.

    I am itching to get my pre order in asap so I can snag one in the first run of these things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couloirman View Post
    I am currently debating which build to get as well. What makes you like the 105 over the Rival? For me I am debating durability and reliability in mud. I plan on taking this bike on some really long rides multi day rides where it might get really wet and muddy. Am leaning towards the $2k build for that reason alone in case I destroy the bike quickly, but kinda wanted to upgrade the wheels so am on the fence cause once I upgrade the wheels I will be at almost $3K anyway.

    I am itching to get my pre order in asap so I can snag one in the first run of these things
    I plan on getting the 2k version, and buying an extra wheelset w/ the money I save. After that I'll set the stock wheels up w/ some slicks for road riding and set up tubeless on the new set w/ offroad tires.

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    Fontarin, what wheel set do you plan on buying?

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    I am now told January delivery as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacons View Post
    Fontarin, what wheel set do you plan on buying?
    Hadn't decided yet - I'll probably try to find something used. Maybe the Iron Cross if I can find them on the cheap.

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    Gave my down payment to Chain Line Cycles for my 47cm RLT frameset. Now to just wait. I will be using Crests with Slant Six SCT 700x32 tires and the majority of the SRAM Force stuff coming from my Soma Double Cross. Trying to figure out what brakes to go with. I contemplated TRP Hylex with a barcon shifter set up 1x10, but also thinking TRP Spyres since shifting from the hoods does make a difference in cross races.

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    You could move all the force stuff off the soma and set up the left hand shifter for brake only. CX magazine has a hack to pull out the shifty bit from a sram shifter.

    Single Ring: Removing the Double and Tap from SRAM Double Tap | Cyclocross Magazine ? Cyclocross News, Races, Bikes, Photos, Videos

    Force 1x10 with a wolf tooth 42 front and wifli 11-32 rear is what I have waiting form my RLT build.

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    Still daydreaming about this bike.....thanks for listening.
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    Me too! Strictly a mtb'er without a real interest in road riding, but something about this bike appeals to me. I ride some gravel roads and it would work well for that, but it makes me want to find other uses - commuter, bar hopper, casual road, winter trainer....

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    This bike makes me want to find a group to go do some all day gravel grinding. Very appealing indeed.

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    Im excited to hear how much these weigh. Wish it came with the RDO fork for QR15. I think I'm going to end up getting the 2 star 105 spec model and upgrade to some china carbon wheels.

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    It would weigh less if it was carbon.

    I am kinda wondering why make this out of alloy?

    Considering Niner's expertise in steel and the touring nature of the bike I reckon the base model should have been steel with carbon fork and the premium model carbon with carbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma View Post
    It would weigh less if it was carbon.

    I am kinda wondering why make this out of alloy?

    Considering Niner's expertise in steel and the touring nature of the bike I reckon the base model should have been steel with carbon fork and the premium model carbon with carbon.
    I don't know...but how much less would it really weight if it were all carbon? They list it at 3.08 pounds with the carbon fork. Cant imagine the weight difference being very noticeable, but I'm sure the price would have been way higher. Steel would have been nice, but I am glad it isnt carbon
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    My guess is an all carbon version is coming as long as the bike is selling well

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    Maybe 500gr lighter in carbon based on similar weights for 29'er mtb's.

    My point is that I think aluminium is a technical dead end for the bicycle industry for hard tail/rigid bikes.

    If you need the weight saving of alu over steel/titanium to be at the pointy end and win races then you will now go with carbon.

    If you don't need the weight saving then imo steel is a better frame building material for the average rider. Of course I mean properly engineering high quality, high strength butted steel tubing. If you can afford it ti is better again for rigid/hard tail bikes.

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    Sold my carbon Superfly and my Moots YBB. Neither one made me a better rider, but then again, I ride for fun. I like Titanium and carbon has its place, but I just dont think that making this bike a $5000 bike to save a POUND would appeal to the masses. It would definitely appeal to some, but for the ultra lighters that are trying to win a race, are they going to buy this bike anyways? Maybe...but I dont see this as a race bike, so why make it unnecessarily more expensive? Just my opinion.
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    I am enjoying the friendly sharing of opinions fat_tires. Just saw your bike list in your footer.

    I am basically saying the same thing. This should have been a steel frame because in this class of bike a pound or so is insignificant.

    My initial comment was only that it would be lighter in carbon, not necessarily better.

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    Fair enough. Agree that steel would be nice, but looking forward to this one regardless.....enjoying the conversations as well. Have a good evening
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    I don't see this bike as a tourer - the stays are too short and it looks like racks would be awkward to mount. And if it was steel it would compete against a bunch of other bikes - Surly Straggler, Kona Rove, Salsa Vaya. By going aluminum they could position it a bit more into the racing crowd and test the market cheaply without having to make a commitment to producing carbon molds in an area that's still a new category. The hydroformed tubes already hint to a possible carbon shape and aluminum is a better choice for mating to a tapered steerer fork. And if it pans out, they can come out with the carbon bike as an upgrade. If the bike was a steel tourer you can't really go upmarket.

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    I have almost all my parts in now. I will be going SRAM barend shifters with an X9 rear dearailleur and a Wolf Tooth 40T N/W ring up front. The brakes will start out as Avid mechanicals, but plan to get TRP Hylex by cross season. This thing will be a nice mix of modern tech and retro-grouch at the same time. My one last decision is do I go with a Biocentric II and the crankset I have or do I go with a PF bottom bracket and get a 30mm crankset?

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    Ordered the 105 spec build. Supposed to be in sometime in February. I'm going to go with the stock wheelset for road, and steal my Stan's Crest wheelset off my mountain bike for gravel/singletrack and easy tubeless setup. Still haven't decided on the tires in that configuration, so if anyone has suggestions for a 42-45c tire, let me know.

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    I'm probably going with Bruce Gordon rock n roll tires for my build. Tubeless, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fogerson View Post
    I'm probably going with Bruce Gordon rock n roll tires for my build. Tubeless, of course.
    That's what I'm considering now too. Saw those last night and the tread pattern looks good. I'm waiting to see how the tire clearance is on the fork to see if it'll fit a beefier tire.

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    Also just noticed that the 4-star has changed to a much nicer build in the past few days - 11 spd SRAM Force groupset with BB7 brakes. Wish I had ordered that one now :\

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    Quote Originally Posted by fontarin View Post
    That's what I'm considering now too. Saw those last night and the tread pattern looks good. I'm waiting to see how the tire clearance is on the fork to see if it'll fit a beefier tire.
    Guitar Ted, et al, had a pretty good write up on the rock and roll over at gravelgrindernews.com.

    I figure I'll run those on a set of c29ssmaxs I have for on and off road duty and run some ubiquitous 32c tire on another wheelset for commuting. Well, unless the r and r road buzz doesn't drive me to nuts on the road.

    We are getting close guys!!! The rlt9s should start showing up in a couple weeks

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    Yeah, it looks like they'll start shipping to US on 2/13, and international on 3/10.

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    Yeah, it looks like they'll start shipping to US on 2/13, and international on 3/10.
    Do you know if that is the same for complete bikes and frames? Hoping frames may come a little sooner

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    Do you know if that is the same for complete bikes and frames? Hoping frames may come a little sooner
    No idea. I just saw the dates in the newsletter that Niner posted over on Facebook.

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    From what I hear, frames & completes on Feb. 13. They better, my patience is waning.

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    From what I hear, frames & completes on Feb. 13. They better, my patience is waning.
    I hear ya...

    Oh well, 'gives me a little more time to decide on what I'm gonna do for brakes. 'Leaning towards TRP Hy/rd, but a little wary of frame clearance in the rear (already have a note off to Niner to see if they know if that is a problem). Good deals on the TRP paradox system out there, but not so sure about that. Maybe the mechanical route w/spyres, bb7, Hayes?

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    I got the call from my shop that my frameset is set to ship sometime between 2/13-18. I am only missing a bottom bracket, chain, and cables/housing. So I hope to have this thing built before the end of the month will post some pics as the build goes together.

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    Nice....look forward to seeing it. They say spring is right around the corner.
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    i am ordering mine tomorrow. I am 6' and plan to go with the 56. I always feel like it is a bit easier to stretch out using a longer stem and set back post vs. trying to make a big bike smaller. Mine will come in with a bunch of bikes the shop is ordering so I am sure they would let me swap if when they show up the 59 seems better. Going with the cheaper build by the way. Seems plenty solid for all around use.

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    Word is my frame set shipped yesterday. So in a little over a week I'll start posting some build pics.
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    Let the fun begin!!!

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    Looks nice. How's the build quality (i.e. welds, paint, et. al.)?

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    Looks nice. How's the build quality (i.e. welds, paint, et. al.)?
    The paint is pretty nice. The hydroformed tubing looks pretty nice.

    The welds are "eh"; not as nice as my rip or jet and certainly no Turner . The welds are pretty thick and not a lot of that neat and tight circular pattern. Finish seems pretty thick so ya really don't notice the welds.

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    Let us know your final build and build weight Still hoping mine will come in before my gravel ride on Saturday.

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    The parts pile looks like this:

    Frame: 56cm, Industry Grey
    Wheels: Hope Pro II Evo's, DT Swiss Champ spokes, 32H, Velocity Dyads (yeah, I know, a bit porky...but my first wheel build so I didn't want to get too crazy and I'm a clyde so...)
    Skewers: DT Swiss 9mm.
    Tires: Bruce Gordon Rock & Roads (700 x 43c)
    BB: CK PF30 (red!)
    Cranks: SRAM Red (50/34)
    Brakes: TRP HY/RD 160mm F & R
    Pedals: Time XC8 Carbons
    Shifters: SRAM Force (zero loss)
    FD: SRAM Red Yaw
    RD: SRAM X9 (laying in a box in the shop, so why not? It's red).
    Cas: SRAM PC-1070, 11-32
    Chain: SRAM 1091R
    Seat: Serfas Tegu Comp
    Seat Post: Niner RDO Carbon
    Bars: FSA Omega Compact
    Stem: Thomson 100mm X4 (black, also laying around in a box in the shop).
    Cables: Jagwire Road Pro compression-less.

    According to my spreadsheet it should land around 21 lbs 'n change.

    'Hope that I can finish the build this weekend. Will post up pics when I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fogerson View Post
    The paint is pretty nice. The hydroformed tubing looks pretty nice.

    The welds are "eh"; not as nice as my rip or jet and certainly no Turner . The welds are pretty thick and not a lot of that neat and tight circular pattern. Finish seems pretty thick so ya really don't notice the welds.

    The welds at the head tube, seat tube and bottom bracket are not your standard welds. They are what is known as single pass flat welds and they do have a slightly different appearance.

    When welding tube to tube (ie: the front triangle), this single pass flat weld disperses loads more effectively than does a standard tig weld. This effect is most prominent on tube to tube welds and thus is only used on the front triangle. Flat welds allowed us to use thinner wall sections on larger tube areas and still give us an increase in strength and stiffness.

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    Thanks for the explanation Carla. 'Still not the cleanest looking weld in the world, but hey, as long as it doesn't it's job I'm good

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    Just needs the rdo seatpost to arrive and a few finishing touches/setup.



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    Looks very nice.

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    Niner hit it out of the park with this frame. 53 cm Niner RTL built up with parts myself and my buddy Tom had laying around. Currently set up for winter road bike duty. Waiting on TRP Sprye to come in early next week, so rigged up with some Tektro MTB calipers for now

    Build highlights

    Wheel set Velocity A23's 24H laced to silver WTB race lite hubs, Hutchinson sector tires 28mm setup tubeless.
    Drive train Rival sifters, Force 50/34 compact cranks, X0 type2 rear derailleur, 105 front derailleur,
    11-32 Sram xx cassette,Treko MTB to be replaced with Trpe Spyre brakes.
    3t bars, WTB silverado saddle, FSA post, jagwire cables.

    19.1 lbs in ridding trim, should be around 18.5 with the Sprye brakes and a lighter seat post




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    Down to the rdo seatpost and the real saddle and she's done. Close enough for an updated family portrait...


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    My frame is in. Should be getting it tomorrow.

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    Want! Anyone have advice on sizing? This wi be my first road-ish bike.

    I'm 5'10, 31" inseam.

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    Want! Anyone have advice on sizing? This wi be my first road-ish bike.

    I'm 5'10, 31" inseam.
    I'm the same height with slightly longer legs and went with the 56cm. Niner recommends the 56 for folks 5'8" to 6'. Fortunately, or unfortunately, the next size down is a 53cm which seems too small for our height unless you have a very short reach.

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    Trumpus, 53cm sounds ideal for you. But I would go to your LBS to properly size.
    I am 6'1" with 34" inseam, I will be running a 56cm.

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    LBS called and the RLT is in! I got the 105 version--can't wait to pick it up tomorrow!

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    The frame is in but I am still waiting on a few things to come in before it can be put together.

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    Bah, I'm jealous! Mine was supposed to be at the shop on the 15th, but hasn't come in yet. Hoping to get it before a mid march gravel ride.

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    Just picked up the 2-star; 53cm RLT9 today! I think it's awesome--but it's pouring here and didn't feel like riding today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwetstar View Post
    Just picked up the 2-star; 53cm RLT9 today! I think it's awesome--but it's pouring here and didn't feel like riding today.

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    Looks awesome! Want one so bad!

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    The bike looks beautiful. How are the wheels? The 2 star build looked like pretty good quality, but I wondered if they cut corners on the wheels a bit to get to that fairly attractive price point. Looking forward to ride reports.

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    Unfortunately, I am relatively new and can't tell the nuances of different wheel qualities. Any specific thing I should be looking for when on/off a ride?

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    We built this RLT up last week.

    Really happy with how it came together! The full cable routing is nice and with Shimano PTFE cables there is no perceivable drag. The tire clearance is MASSIVE.

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    As you ride more you will see that wheels are one of the things that greatly influence the performance of a bike. Some roll better, some feel more solid, some are more durable. I would be most interested to hear how these wheels compare to the Stan's that are on the 4 star build. You shouldn't worry about that and just go out and ride that sweet bike! Are you taking it on gravel or are you in a place where the weather let's you get on some trails? Enjoy! It is beautiful!

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    Picked mine up and was able to ride yesterday. Mostly on the road due to rain, but hit a few neighborhood park paths. Awesome ride, and very comfortable. The Sammy Slicks aren't bad, but I'll probably get some beefier tires once I set up my Crest wheelset on it (tubeless, obviously).

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    Dang!!!! 18 week delivery date for the 62cm from Jenson (for the mint). 18 weeks!!!! That removes this season from the equation...

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    Bruce, was that for the complete or just the frameset. Looking to pickup just the frameset..

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    Quote Originally Posted by wheelgunz View Post
    Bruce, was that for the complete or just the frameset. Looking to pickup just the frameset..
    Both say "Usually ships in 17-18 weeks"...

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    So you waited until one of the most talked about bikes of the year was shipping to start the order process? I bet they are sold out until late 2016! They look awesome!
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    So you waited until one of the most talked about bikes of the year was shipping to start the order process? I bet they are sold out until late 2016! They look awesome!
    Eh, we've all been burned by that. It's why ordered mine in September.

    Speaking of which here she is in her final form. Now only if the rain would let up and I could shake this cold...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleForScience View Post
    So you waited until one of the most talked about bikes of the year was shipping to start the order process? I bet they are sold out until late 2016! They look awesome!
    No, I was just commenting. The size HUGE is available in the full build of the grey frame, but I'm not eyeing that one. I don't know if they have even produced the mint in size HUGE yet. It was scheduled to be coming later in an earlier report I read about it, and now I know when that "later" is....18 weeks from now.

    There are other "talked about" bikes for gravel grinding I'm looking at as well. We size HUGE's have very little to pick from these days.

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    Got 2 star build size 53 today (21.0 lbs w/o pedals)! I've been looking at this bike since it was announced. As soon as I took it for a test ride, I knew it was to be mine. BB5's got to go. I am thinking TRP HY/RD.

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    Niner RLT9-image.jpgThe build on my 47cm is coming along. Two snags so far. The BB was very, very difficult to press in. Not sure if anyone else has had that issue. 2nd one that really stumps me is that there is a sticker right in the frame that says it uses a 31.8 front derailleur. Well it does not fit, but a 34.9 does.

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    I put the first 30 miles on last Sunday. It's the first time I've ridden a 'skinny' tire bike since the early 1990's. It took a bit of time to adjust to drop bars and steering, but after a few miles, I felt very comfortable in the saddle. Although my mountain/fat bikes will still be my go-to bikes, the RLT will be nice to have this during the Spring & Fall months when the trails are unridable. I plan on some gravel treks very soon.
    I bought a two star complete, and the only change I made was to move from a 90mm to 110 stem.

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    Got my HUGE (62cm) 2 star build up and running last week. Still haven't wrapped the bars as I'm playing with hood/bar positioning. First road/CX/gravel bike ever so its gonna take some getting used to. Build came in right under 24 lbs. I sometimes just like to sit in my garage and stare at it.
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    ^ Lookin good. Are you planning to keep that amount if spacers on steerer tube below the stem? How tall are you? I would likely get that size as well. Thanks
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    Yes, I'm 6'4" with a gut so a lot of handlebar drop gets uncomfortable. Thats a full steerer. In that pic I hand't adjusted the seat height yet, bars are about an inch below my seat now.

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    Test rode 2-star builds of the 53 and 56 today. The 56 was much more comfortable than the 53, I am 5'9 with a 30" inseam. My initial thought - I really like the bike, but Niner should be embarrassed speccing this with BB5s. Also, the downshift lever on the 105s had some seriously sharp edges...felt odd.

    The Campy cantilever brakes on my mid 90's Bianchi road bike (which I rode to the shop) had better stopping power. BB7s aren't a huge leap in cost but are way better brakes (I've got them on both my Sir9 singlespeed as well as my Comotion Americano).

    I've got the local shop building up the 4* 56 they had in stock and will try that out this week. I don't have the time right now to build a complete bike up myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumblingcrustacean View Post
    Test rode 2-star builds of the 53 and 56 today. The 56 was much more comfortable than the 53, I am 5'9 with a 30" inseam. My initial thought - I really like the bike, but Niner should be embarrassed speccing this with BB5s. Also, the downshift lever on the 105s had some seriously sharp edges...felt odd.

    The Campy cantilever brakes on my mid 90's Bianchi road bike (which I rode to the shop) had better stopping power. BB7s aren't a huge leap in cost but are way better brakes (I've got them on both my Sir9 singlespeed as well as my Comotion Americano).

    I've got the local shop building up the 4* 56 they had in stock and will try that out this week. I don't have the time right now to build a complete bike up myself.
    Not sure they should be "embarrassed". It's a $2k build with lots of other great parts.

    How do you know the BB5s were even set up properly? Pads bedded? A test ride on a new bike is hardly adequate to declare something a complete failure.

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    So I'm considering ordering an RLT. It would be my first road-style bike. If plan to use it for gravel rides, some around town stuff, and road rides and on a trainer.

    As a complete newb, I was planning on ordering the 2 star build but was thinking of some upgrades (brakes, carbon post and bars). Does this make sense or would I be better off spending a few hundred more and stepping up to the 4 star?

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    Ok, embarrassed was probably a little strong. But it is the weakest component on the 2* build, at least for me.

    As for the setup of the BB5s, the shop does good work, but I also (having had some before) adjusted them a bit. Yes, there is a break in period that helps, but BB5s compared to BB7s are night and day (and performing worse than my campy cantilevers... )

    That said, assuming no surprises on my taxes, I will be getting picking one of these bikes up.

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    I am very used to my XT hydros, and BB7s on my mountain bikes...they both stop great. And you are spot on, the BB5s are terrible. I'll deal with them for now... But I will likely swap these out at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacons View Post
    I am very used to my XT hydros, and BB7s on my mountain bikes...they both stop great. And you are spot on, the BB5s are terrible. I'll deal with them for now... But I will likely swap these out at some point.
    This is interesting, huh? I have two bikes that came factory spec with BB7's and both have msrp less than this bike. Oh well...never used BB5, are they that bad?
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    They just don't seem to grip the way the BB7's do. You've got to pull harder to stop and modulation is meh at best. They aren't terrible, just not that great.

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    I bet they are rather embarrassed about this, they should probably just stop selling the bikes altogether. The BB5 road and BB5 MTN are different brakes, mine work great!

    Quote Originally Posted by grumblingcrustacean View Post
    Ok, embarrassed was probably a little strong. But it is the weakest component on the 2* build, at least for me.

    As for the setup of the BB5s, the shop does good work, but I also (having had some before) adjusted them a bit. Yes, there is a break in period that helps, but BB5s compared to BB7s are night and day (and performing worse than my campy cantilevers... )

    That said, assuming no surprises on my taxes, I will be getting picking one of these bikes up.
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    The good news is BB7's are a dime a dozen (and cheap) on the used market. I will be keeping my eye out for a decent set of 'mtns.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacons View Post
    The good news is BB7's are a dime a dozen (and cheap) on the used market. I will be keeping my eye out for a decent set of 'mtns.'
    Brings up a good point - so I guess there's no major issue using the mtb version on a road bike?

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    Nope. Talked with the tech at my LBS about this very topic yesterday. He runs BB7 mtns on his X-bike and said the RLT would be nicely suited for them.

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    Got my 2 star build last week. I installed TRP HY/RD on Friday. Awesome brakes,easy to set-up!The TRP's did require new brake cables as the BB5 cables were too short.

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    BB7 Mtns are designed for V-brake levers - using them with standard road levers means you'll have to set your pads closer (because of less cable pull) and they'll feel spongier (higher leverage). Yes, they'll work, but they'd work better with a V-brake drop bar lever. If you're running single speed or barcons, the Tektro RL 520 would do the job, or there's also the option of Retroshift CXVs.

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    I've got a question about the RLT geometry (stack height specifically). I'm looking at the size 53 and it is showing a stack height of 574. I've been riding a Cannondale CAADX size 51, which has similar geometry numbers as the RLT size 53 (145 HT length and 71 degree HT angle), but the stack height for the CAADX is listed as 541, which seems much lower. Not sure why the big difference. The RLT fork actually has a shorter A2C of 400 vs. 410 for the CAADX. The BB drops are close, 70 for the RLT vs. 67 for the CAADX. What am I missing? It's not a big deal, but I'm considering a test ride and was trying to get a sense of how it would compare to the CAADX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleForScience View Post
    I bet they are rather embarrassed about this, they should probably just stop selling the bikes altogether. The BB5 road and BB5 MTN are different brakes, mine work great!
    As I mentioned, "embarrassed" was too strong, I was jet lagged at the time. Probably best to not post then. That said, even adjusted the BB5s were no comparison to worn in campy cantilever or BB7s which I had ridden the same day. Thankfully, here in Santa Cruz I could take it on a short loop that had some hills, shitty roads, and other fun near by the shop.

    I will be testing out a 4* build tomorrow, and if it works out, will be buying the bike. If not, I will put it on my list of "get frame, build up, have fun"...which requires time I don't have right now.

    I've got mountain covered, I have touring (and road, with concessions) covered...gravel, not so much.

    I live in a place where if I want to do long rides either a good touring bike (CoMotion Americano in my case) or more of a cross/gravel bike really is useful for the condition of the mountain roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgold73 View Post
    I've got a question about the RLT geometry (stack height specifically). I'm looking at the size 53 and it is showing a stack height of 574. I've been riding a Cannondale CAADX size 51, which has similar geometry numbers as the RLT size 53 (145 HT length and 71 degree HT angle), but the stack height for the CAADX is listed as 541, which seems much lower. Not sure why the big difference. The RLT fork actually has a shorter A2C of 400 vs. 410 for the CAADX. The BB drops are close, 70 for the RLT vs. 67 for the CAADX. What am I missing? It's not a big deal, but I'm considering a test ride and was trying to get a sense of how it would compare to the CAADX.
    What are the two head tube lengths?

    Bikes designed more for touring riding often have taller head tubes to make the riding position more upright.

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    Plenty of Mtn BB7s running non-VBrake configurations. Not sure where you get the "designed for vibrates" I have the mtn version on both my touring bike and singlespeed build Sir9.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgold73 View Post
    I've got a question about the RLT geometry (stack height specifically). I'm looking at the size 53 and it is showing a stack height of 574. I've been riding a Cannondale CAADX size 51, which has similar geometry numbers as the RLT size 53 (145 HT length and 71 degree HT angle), but the stack height for the CAADX is listed as 541, which seems much lower. Not sure why the big difference. The RLT fork actually has a shorter A2C of 400 vs. 410 for the CAADX. The BB drops are close, 70 for the RLT vs. 67 for the CAADX. What am I missing? It's not a big deal, but I'm considering a test ride and was trying to get a sense of how it would compare to the CAADX.
    I can't speak to stack height. I am 5'9 and thought a 53cm would fit me. I tried both a 53 and 56cm 2* build and the 56 was much more comfortable (short inseam 30")/less compact.

    If you get the chance to test multiple sizes, do so. I'm double checking a 56cm 4* build before pulling the trigger this week. I'm not concerned about size, but verifying components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumblingcrustacean View Post
    Plenty of Mtn BB7s running non-VBrake configurations.
    Like I said, it will work.

    Not sure where you get the "designed for vibrates" I have the mtn version on both my touring bike and singlespeed build Sir9.
    <a href="http://cdn.sram.com/cdn/farfuture/6M91kGZmvluDNkXpl7PtOW0JiuYDnhsO0PvppSU-9R8/mtime:1372788152/sites/default/files/techdocs/95-5015-008-000.pdf">RTFM?</a>

    "<em>Only levers designated for side-pull brakes, such as Avid's Speed Dial and FR5 levers, can be used with mountain Ball Bearing Disc Brake....Failure to do so will reduce the performance of the system</em>"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozynigma View Post
    What are the two head tube lengths?

    Bikes designed more for touring riding often have taller head tubes to make the riding position more upright.

    The head tube lengths are actually the same, 145mm. The head tube angles are also the same, 71 degrees. This is why I'm confused. Seems like the stack numbers should be close, however there is a big difference. I'm wondering if either the Niner or the Cannondale stack value is simply wrong, Niner and Cannondale measure differently, or I'm missing something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgold73 View Post
    The head tube lengths are actually the same, 145mm. The head tube angles are also the same, 71 degrees. This is why I'm confused. Seems like the stack numbers should be close, however there is a big difference. I'm wondering if either the Niner or the Cannondale stack value is simply wrong, Niner and Cannondale measure differently, or I'm missing something.
    I'm dealing with similar decisions. Not sure about the HT angle on the CAADX, though. Web has it from 70.5 to 72.5 for sizes 48 to 58. RLT9 has it 70 - 72 for 47 - 59. But Stevens has it as 70-71.5 for 52 -58 (base model). So for gravel riding, and for size 58, the CAADX should theoretically be more responsive, but harsher. Yeah, I know that there are ton of other variables in this; rake, tires, etc. The tire width may be most telling, since I'm not sure the CAADX will be able to take anything near the size of RLT9's. Why the analysis? Big price point difference between these bikes at the 105 level.

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    4* RLT and I sure was annoying this week...

    People read the manual? I had a good week of being annoying, clearly. Also, I wasn't making the connection between vbrake being linear pull.

    Anyway, picked up my RLT this week, 56cm Fresh Mint, 4*. Took it on a short spin on the local trails. Rides well and I will spend some time dialing it in.

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    Mine is now all done, but skiing has been too god to pick it up from the shop and go on a ride. Good skiing will be gone soon enough, though and then I can post a ride report. Here is a photo of my twin brother's 2-star build and my parts build. Both are 47cm frames.

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    Well, I found a deal on eBay for a new TRP HY/RD so I thought I would give it a try. I fitted it to the rear (after a remarkably easy install) and I have got to say it is light years better than the BB5s. Butter smooth, quiet, great modulation and stopping power. I would have never thought a cable actuated hydro brake would work this nice. I now have an order coming to replace the front. bmajik, thanks for the recommendation!

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    Bar end shifters, nice addition. Red cable housings look good as well. Despite the butter smooth SRAM Force shifters, I still find myself reaching for the bar ends out of habit (my CoMotion has them).

    Enjoy the ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumblingcrustacean View Post
    Bar end shifters, nice addition. Red cable housings look good as well. Despite the butter smooth SRAM Force shifters, I still find myself reaching for the bar ends out of habit (my CoMotion has them).

    Enjoy the ride.
    It has been a long time since I rode bar end shifters, but I wanted the simplicity of those with the ability to get hydro brakes, TRP Hylex, in the future.

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    Anyone have issues getting the headset tightened properly on the RLT? There is just a tiny bit of play that I can't get sorted and I already have the top cap at 6 Nm. This is for the 4 star build kit.

    Another question - what is this bit that came in the parts baggie? Spacer for 10 sp?

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    Any updates on ride quality from those who have theirs? This bike is still high on my want list and I'm interested in how it rides on the road as well as gravel?

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    Mine rides like butter...I have 43c rubber at 45 psi so I guess it should.

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    Forgive my ignorance but is the gearing ok for a road newbie? I don't want a true road bike. I like discs, want the versatility and love the way the RLT looks. Wondering, though if I'll be able to keep up with friends during a group ride.

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    That really depends on you and your friends. I have friends that crush it on ss road bikes. I don't know how they do it. If you put 23 or 25c road tires on a bike like the rlt then there is really no reason you couldn't keep up with most roadies. Even with a fun (40c) tire you should be fine.
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    Cool, thanks!

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    Stock 4 * build.

    Had some creaking in the bottom bracket after about 120 mi. Had it in the shop yesterday and will check for recurrence.

    Overfill , very nice/impressive.

    If you want decent granny, stock may not work.

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    I've been riding my 2* build for about a month now, roughly 50 miles on dirt road and single track and about 150 on the road. I can maintain a 20 mph speed easily on the flats but I had never intended to use this bike for faster than that. The ride was harsh until I lowered tire pressure to 45/50 psi. Now its acceptable, I may switch to fatter tires.

    I do not like the bb5s and just last night installed a new Spyre on the front. It left only a little over a mm space between the caliper actuation arm and the spokes, at least it doesn't hit. The "feel" is much more solid than the bb5, it will take some time to bed in the pads so I'm not sure on ultimate power yet compared to hydros which I am used to. I hope the rear clears as well and will install it tonight.

    I'm liking the bike a lot and can't wait for more rides on it.
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    Follow up - after the shop looked at it, they thought they fixed the creaking, but it was still clicking/creaking on a short ride w/o much in the way of hills.

    It's back at the shop and they are scoping out the issue further.

    With taxes and a work trip next week, I've got time and will toodle around on the single speed instead.

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    I'm curious if anyone else is having creaking issues w/ the PF30 bottom bracket.

    I haven't gotten into the guts of the PF30, but for my local niner shop, the frame + kit (ala Santa Cruz bikes) is new to them, and from what I've seen some what new to niner. So, the shop has a bit of learning maybe.

    I've got two other niner's in addition to the RLT - a 2012 Jet 9 RDO, and an older Sir 9. So, I like the brand. I had persistent squeaking on my Sir9 that the new EBB (2 bold design) took care of. I'm just wondering if the RLT BB is something new or if the persistent creaks/squeaks are a lark.

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    I'm pretty sure it's just you. They use that bb on petty much everything they make. And I don't hear all my customers saying that it doesn't work. If suspect it's a setup issue.
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    As I said, it seems like it is new to the shop. They are exploring, but I was curious.

    My other niner rigs came from other paths, mostly self built up.

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    Turns out it was a faulty crank. Clicking between the crank arm and spindle. Happy it sounds like it will be fixed soon.

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    another ride done and I just need to get a post with some setback to tweak the position. My oldest likes the bike, but is about 6" too tall.Niner RLT9-rlt.jpg

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    How have the wheels been on the 2 build? I am strongly considering the purchase and overall like the build of the 2 for the price but wondering if the wheels are decent.

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    I'm the New Zealand Niner Distributor so I'm probably a bit biased, but for what it's worth I think that those Niner branded wheels in the 2 Star Kit look really nice. We just got a couple of complete bikes in and I was very pleasantly surprised at the weight, even spoke tension and bearing quality in the hubs. I haven't ridden them but they look pretty damn good. Before we got the 2 Star Kits we built up a couple of RLT's with custom wheels, Stan's Iron Cross rims on Shimano CX75 hubs and to be quite honest personally I'd be equally happy with the Niner wheels. One thing I did notice is that the free hub body has 11 speed printed on it, which assuming that it means what it says, is a nice bonus in terms of drivetrain upgrade options.

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    Everything on the 2-Star is solid, except the aforementioned BB5 brakes. Outside of them and a bit longer stem (I wanted a bit more length), that was the only changes I have made to mine.

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    Anyone try/or think these will fit on the RLT? I know it will depend on the rim as well, I would mount them to ZTR Crest rims.

    Panaracer Fire Cross Tire at BikeTiresDirect

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    Bought today an RLT9 in gray, the 4star build.... What a great ride!... Coming from mtb, and dound it fast, great handling and very responsive and comfortable .... Me happy!...

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    Quote Originally Posted by offrhodes42 View Post
    Anyone try/or think these will fit on the RLT? I know it will depend on the rim as well, I would mount them to ZTR Crest rims.

    Panaracer Fire Cross Tire at BikeTiresDirect
    Hope those fit. Wouldn't mind using them on my Crest wheels as a singletrack tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lycra View Post
    Anyone have issues getting the headset tightened properly on the RLT? There is just a tiny bit of play that I can't get sorted and I already have the top cap at 6 Nm. This is for the 4 star build kit.

    Another question - what is this bit that came in the parts baggie? Spacer for 10 sp?

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    I also have a problem with the head set. It appears that the spacers are a tad big for the stem so they move around and offset. That is what caused mine to loosen. I realigned them, tightened it down, and damn if it didn't happen again. Going to the shop on Monday (they want to take it for a spin. They can't get one in so they want to try it out) so they are going to look at it.

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    I have 200 miles of everything on this bike. Single track, gravel, road, and rain soaked gravel. I love this bike, maybe not the BB7s, but everything else. I have random riders gawk at it at the trail head and on the road. Which makes you know you got the cool bike.

    Now for the little problems that popped up. The headset spacers move around, the front deraileir is a little finicky, the front wheel (Stan's Ironcross) are tricky to remove and put back on, and the full length housing is a little loose and hits the frame. Each in its self is minor, but all together it's annoying. So Monday I'll get new spacers, put something between the housing and get the front D straightened out. As far as the wheel I don't know, I might have to file off the lawyer tabs or get a longer quick release, I'll get some other options at the shop.

    Anyone else have anything?

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    I am at a little over 275 miles on mine now, mixed between street commuting, road miles getting to dirt and roughly 50 miles on dirt. I've only had two or three minor issues on my 2* bike:

    The front bb5 brake did not bed in well and resulted in a grumbling noise when applied. I did not like the bb5s anyway and have since installed Spyres, which are working out nicely. There is about 1-2 mm clearance between the front Spyre caliper and the spokes, kind of close.

    My front wheel is also difficult to remove and install. I've measured the distance between dropout faces on the fork is about 99 mm, not the proper 100 mm. On top of this there are depression seats formed on the inside faces of the dropouts which act like the lawyer tabs on the outside faces, so you need to apply a slight spreading force to the fork to remove the wheel. Maybe this feature is intentional? Not a big deal but a little annoying. You'd have to file both the inside and outside of the tabs to address this.

    Oh, and reading the serial number off the frame is next to impossible to get accurate confidently due to the thick paint obscuring some of the digits.

    Other than those minor issues I think the components are well chosen and work well, the wheels are good quality and light, and I am enjoying the bike for a variety of uses, which is what I bought it for.

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    A couple questions for both 2 & 4* builds. Can you put road tires with tubes on these rims? And, can the hubs be converted to use DT Swiss through axels?
    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    A couple questions for both 2 & 4* builds. Can you put road tires with tubes on these rims? And, can the hubs be converted to use DT Swiss through axels?
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    Either can be run with tubes. Road tires shouldn't be a problem either, though I'm not sure how they'd behave with less than 28mm.

    Unsure of any tubeless behavior on the 2 star. I'm using tubes with removeable valve cores and will add some sealant to that as soon as I remember to pick some up.

    Road tubeless might be an issue on the 4 star, based on Stan's site ("If you wish to use both Cyclocross and Road Tubeless tires, we recommend the Alpha Disc wheelsets").

    Unsure on your DT Swiss question, sorry.

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    I'd probably build up another set for road, with H Plus Son Archetype rims and CK hubs. I'd still like to know if I could run DT throughs.

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    Check it out. A little expensive for an Al frame!
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    Anyone try/or think these will fit on the RLT? I know it will depend on the rim as well, I would mount them to ZTR Crest rims.

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    Can't actually answer your question, as I don't have my RLT yet, but I have experience running this tire (in 45c width) on my current cross bike and it is a really solid tire. Heavy, as it is pretty meaty, but Having that much volume and aggressive tread make it almost like riding a mtb - let out the brakes and bomb!

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    Argh, the release of the new updates for RLT seem too soon. I just got my 2-star build in early March! The new 2-star build now comes with the full 105 11speed version. And the black/red paint job is nice! ARGH

    Curious, though. As I'm relatively new getting into cycling in general, is this a common occurrence where upgrades, etc. are released within months of official launches? I've been assuming it's an annual thing, not a cycle that occurs within months. It's reminiscent of the cell phone market in Asia where a new model HAS to be released every few months. Almost like planned obsolescence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Check it out. A little expensive for an Al frame!
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    The top of the line Trek Boone has a similar build spec but is a carbon frame and is priced at $6,299. I think this seems expensive but the delta seems appropriate between a top end aluminum frame and a carbon frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwetstar View Post
    Argh, the release of the new updates for RLT seem too soon. I just got my 2-star build in early March! The new 2-star build now comes with the full 105 11speed version. And the black/red paint job is nice! ARGH

    Curious, though. As I'm relatively new getting into cycling in general, is this a common occurrence where upgrades, etc. are released within months of official launches? I've been assuming it's an annual thing, not a cycle that occurs within months. It's reminiscent of the cell phone market in Asia where a new model HAS to be released every few months. Almost like planned obsolescence.

    http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs148/1101892244311/archive/1117193163370.html
    A lot of companies bring stuff out as soon as they can. That's the beauty of a smaller more flexible company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keifla123 View Post
    The top of the line Trek Boone has a similar build spec but is a carbon frame and is priced at $6,299. I think this seems expensive but the delta seems appropriate between a top end aluminum frame and a carbon frame.
    It does have a lot of great parts on it. I'll bet it's a couple pounds lighter then the 4* build.

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    We definitely aren't planning obsolescence. There are a few things at work here:

    1. Component release calendars are not on the same schedule as frame release schedules. In this specific case, the 105 11 speed didn't release until well after we had the frame ready. We don't do model years, but you will often see manufacturers who do release 2014 1/2 models for this reason.

    2. Color option decisions vary from company to company. As a small manufacturer, if we keep a smaller color range when a bike is new, we can focus on getting bikes out to riders sooner. A simplistic way to explain this is: if we make 100 bikes in 1 color, chances are 1 in 5 (size XS thru XL) that we will have exactly what you want when you call to order. If we make 100 bikes in 2 colors, chances are 1 in 10 we will have what you want when you order (5 sizes x 2 colors), if we make 100 bikes in 3 colors, it is 1 in 15, etc. Obviously, we try to predict the number of frames we need in each size and we use our experience to order the right ratio of color options, but it isn't a perfect science. Once the product is well established, it is easier to fit a few extra colors into the mix.

    3. Finally, we also listen to our riders. We do take rider requests for specific colors, spec options and even entire products into account when we sit down in our product planning meetings. Sometime that means we decide to release a now color.

    I'm stoked you've got an RLT 9 - that bike, much like the ROS 9, was a bike that all of the staff of Niner wanted to make for themselves. The Mint paint was actually inspired by a bike shoe that, as a very poor bike shop mechanic 18 years ago, I couldn't afford but really, really wanted. They were oh so cool, and oh so French. :-) It's fun to be able to make a bike in those colors now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    A lot of companies bring stuff out as soon as they can. That's the beauty of a smaller more flexible company.
    Yeah, but I guess as an early adopter, I can't help but feel shafted since the official release date was February and I got mine first week of March. The two-star model gets somewhat of an upgrade with full 105 drivetrain in a couple of months. I understand that my purchase timing fell between the cracks--that's all.

    I mean, I like this bike a lot--but just kind of diminished because of the fast cycle of changes. But I guess I just need to check my privilege as I still have a good bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pwetstar View Post
    Yeah, but I guess as an early adopter, I can't help but feel shafted since the official release date was February and I got mine first week of March. The two-star model gets somewhat of an upgrade with full 105 drivetrain in a couple of months. I understand that my purchase timing fell between the cracks--that's all.

    I mean, I like this bike a lot--but just kind of diminished because of the fast cycle of changes. But I guess I just need to check my privilege as I still have a good bike.
    You know the first computer I ever bought was $2500. Every time I buy a new one I think about that first one that I spent a lot of money on. I look at it this way. I'm just glad that every time I buy a new one, I can get it cheaper and more powerful then the previous one. Same with bikes, new stuff comes out and they just keep getting better and better. And, you can upgrade as parts break or wear out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    You know the first computer I ever bought was $2500. Every time I buy a new one I think about that first one that I spent a lot of money on. I look at it this way. I'm just glad that every time I buy a new one, I can get it cheaper and more powerful then the previous one. Same with bikes, new stuff comes out and they just keep getting better and better. And, you can upgrade as parts break or wear out.
    Well, coming from the IT world, I know what you mean. There's always something newer and better no matter when your purchase point started.

    What kind of shocked me--and which is why I posed the question was that I didn't really expect that model to apply to the cycling world (But then again, I just jumped in to this late last year--so no experience yet). I assumed, like cars, that they usually have about a year between changes to product lines. (but what do I know, I'm in IT, not manufacturing/marketing)

    As I mentioned earlier, I understand that my timing of purchase was just not advantageous for me.

    And using the term "planned obsolescence" was a bit harsh as I know there's no ulterior motive to Niner's product release cycle--they just want to get it out quicker and they can since being nimble with decisions/releases is an advantage of smaller firms. That term really applies to iPhones/mobile devices since parts aren't replaceable--and with bicycles, they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwetstar View Post
    Yeah, but I guess as an early adopter, I can't help but feel shafted since the official release date was February and I got mine first week of March. The two-star model gets somewhat of an upgrade with full 105 drivetrain in a couple of months. I understand that my purchase timing fell between the cracks--that's all.

    I mean, I like this bike a lot--but just kind of diminished because of the fast cycle of changes. But I guess I just need to check my privilege as I still have a good bike.
    Honestly I'm glad I got mine when I did before they went to 11spd. I have replacements for 10spd parts, not so much for 11, and I imagine I'd need a new 11 spd driver for my hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pwetstar View Post
    Argh, the release of the new updates for RLT seem too soon. I just got my 2-star build in early March! The new 2-star build now comes with the full 105 11speed version. And the black/red paint job is nice! ARGH

    http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs148/1101892244311/archive/1117193163370.html
    My Industry Grey frameset that I ordered just showed up at my LBS and when I asked if I could get it swapped for the black they told me it would cost a 25% restock fee + shipping

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    I haven't purchased mine yet, but I certainly feel for those if you who did and now wish you had waited. This seemed incredibly fast to come out with changes and additional options. I understand several months later, but in this case there are still people waiting to take delivery if what they ordered months ago.
    This is the type of thing that usually causes me to stay a step behind on new releases, wether it be cars, electronics, bikes etc.
    The reward for early adopters is to be the "first on the block". That typically comes with an increased price, functionality issues, and fewer choices.
    All that said, I really like this bike, and I still think I would buy the industry grey. The build change seems like a positive move.
    I agree with others who have pointed out the price if just frame and fork. Feels pricey for mass produced aluminum.
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    This is actually the way I would expect things to go well into the future. This is about manufacturing calendars and the ability for more and more industries to stock less and less and the product companies to rapidly bring out new product to meet demand.

    Why not pass along a better product as it comes available? Sure it pisses off a few people, but that just means there never really is a good time to launch unless you take the product off the market for a period of time. Is it too soon? No. There is great interest in this bike which means Niner is smart of invest in making it better and more widely available in both volume and choices.

    This may not be the option you want to hear, but sell your frame/bike you got and I bet you can sell it for MORE than you paid. The demand and wait for this bike is enough that someone will probably pay a premium. Then you can get in line for the one you want. Do it now though before that option vanishes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neb001 View Post
    My Industry Grey frameset that I ordered just showed up at my LBS and when I asked if I could get it swapped for the black they told me it would cost a 25% restock fee + shipping
    I'd call Niner and ask them. If you paid shipping both ways, I would think they would swap frames for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neb001 View Post
    My Industry Grey frameset that I ordered just showed up at my LBS and when I asked if I could get it swapped for the black they told me it would cost a 25% restock fee + shipping
    I'd be willing to bet that is the shop charging the restock and shipping. The shop probably doesn't want a grey frameset sitting on the floor.
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    If the 25% restock fee isn't standard procedure with Niner, then I'd bet Niner would be a little upset with the shop. Because, in my mind that means the shop is trying to rip you. That's why I said to call Niner and find out what the deal is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeopleForScience View Post
    I'd be willing to bet that is the shop charging the restock and shipping. The shop probably doesn't want a grey frameset sitting on the floor.
    Yeah, the shop already had a mint green in 53 (which I didn't like the color of) and had ordered the grey for me, so they'd have to send it back to Niner. I didn't ask if Niner was charging the restock or how it broke down. While I may have been willing to deal with a restock fee if I really wanted the black frame (which I don't want nearly that badly), the availability of the frame was also quite limited

    Either way, since it'd be some time before the LBS could get one of the black frames, I just went with what I already had. It's going to be built up with a Di2 Hydro build and HED c2+ rim/White Industry T11 hub wheelset. Only question remaining is what tire to go with

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    I just got a rear rack fitted to my 2 star RLT build. Went with the Topeak Super Tourist DX rack. I chose the disc break rack so that I could also use it on another bike I have. It turned out to be a PITA for the RLT though as the alumunum blocks that hold the screws for the bottom connection point were too large to fit on the mount point. I had to file them down. I also had to cut up and bend the metal strips that are used for the top connection point. It worked though with some modification. I think the non-disc rack would have worked better.
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    In my 7 years as a mechanic I have installed thousands of racks (lots of commuters). I have never installed a task that didn't need modification. From bending the stays to fit the dropouts or bending and cutting the metal braces. It's just normal rack stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WoodstockMTB View Post
    This may not be the option you want to hear, but sell your frame/bike you got and I bet you can sell it for MORE than you paid. The demand and wait for this bike is enough that someone will probably pay a premium. Then you can get in line for the one you want. Do it now though before that option vanishes.
    Doesnt appear that this is An option...there are two on Ebay right now, brand new, both less than retail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fat_tires_are_fun View Post
    Doesnt appear that this is An option...there are two on Ebay right now, brand new, both less than retail.
    I saw 1 on ebay for exactly what retail is and in a 47cm.
    I just bought a 53cm yesterday and from the looking around that I did it seems that the 56cm is what no one has in stock so if it is that size you may be able to get some loot for it

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