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  1. #101
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    I did the same thing with my last Titus. But, niner is far from going the same way. Titus was screwed buy whomever bought them. That V2 El Guapo was a total POS (I had one) My FTM left a lot to be desired, bending shock mount hardware and zero rear tire clearance. But my V1 EG is what some of my bikes still get compared to (until it broke and I couldn't replace it).

    Niner has some great bikes now, my Rip is one of my favorite bikes ever, if not THE favorite. The old sir was sweet, the one9 rdo is a freaking rocket.

    But I hope they make something for the masses with the low and slack crap.

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    I feel like Niner has lost its way. I have an an MCR9 for about3 years now. I have wanted one for about 6 or more. I just liked Niners in general....... Then they decided to go away from their roots of Steel and Alum...... Now, its Carbon This and That. Gravel Bikes by the dozen....... What the Fudge is up with a FS Gravel Bike? Seriously, if the road gets that rough, time to get the MTB Out.......... My MCR is a backup to my EX9 FS. I go through periods where I ride the MCR more... Steel Is Real..... But Niner is going the way of Titus did...... Yeah, I rode that train until it broke and could not get replacement parts........... RIP...........

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    I knew you would dive in! How you been!!!!!!! Not saying the bikes are bad. Just feel that they have gone away from their roots. I keep thinking I could sell the MCR for the money, but I just enjoy it to much!!!!!!!!
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    Yeah, I can never keep my mouth shut!

    I do miss riding an American made bike too. But even the EG was made in Taiwan.

    And I see your point with the "getting away from their roots" in that the steel bikes have turned into gravel and bike packing bikes and not fun all day steel hard tails.

    The best example is how few used sir and MCR frames are out there. Hell, even the old scandium one9 still bring a lot of money and those broke if you looked at them funny.

    A good friend of mine is trying to find a large, Kermit green sir and has been going nuts over the prices. That tells me that the old formula was still viable.


    Quote Originally Posted by sxr-racer View Post
    I feel like Niner has lost its way. I have an an MCR9 for about3 years now. I have wanted one for about 6 or more. I just liked Niners in general....... Then they decided to go away from their roots of Steel and Alum...... Now, its Carbon This and That. Gravel Bikes by the dozen....... What the Fudge is up with a FS Gravel Bike? Seriously, if the road gets that rough, time to get the MTB Out.......... My MCR is a backup to my EX9 FS. I go through periods where I ride the MCR more... Steel Is Real..... But Niner is going the way of Titus did...... Yeah, I rode that train until it broke and could not get replacement parts........... RIP...........
    Quote Originally Posted by sxr-racer View Post
    I knew you would dive in! How you been!!!!!!! Not saying the bikes are bad. Just feel that they have gone away from their roots. I keep thinking I could sell the MCR for the money, but I just enjoy it to much!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sxr-racer View Post
    I feel like Niner has lost its way. I have an an MCR9 for about3 years now. I have wanted one for about 6 or more. I just liked Niners in general....... Then they decided to go away from their roots of Steel and Alum...... Now, its Carbon This and That.
    Yeah, because you can really grow a company selling only steel and aluminum bikes, right?

    I'm still riding a 2005 SIR9, it is awesome. But there comes a saturation point of selling "niche" steel (and aluminum) bikes. It's pretty hard to innovate new stuff into a steel frame. You can sell a couple hundred a year, or sell a few THOUSAND carbon fiber bikes. You know, that generates profit for a company to allow it to grow and invest in other projects for bikes that people want to buy. Like gravel bikes and carbon fiber mountain bikes.

    To a point, low volume frames/bikes become a distraction to a company and better left to the truly 1 man/custom frame builders. If you were running a business would you put more eggs into the low volume, low margin or high margin, high volume products? Niner is in business to make money as all companies are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2melow View Post
    ? Niner is in business to make money as all companies are.
    Someone needs to teach sugai that. Hopefully having a BOD hammering him for ROI will help.
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    Yeah, because you can really grow a company selling only steel and aluminum bikes, right?
    I guess if selling out and giving up on what you believe in means your company doesn't grow, then maybe somethings just can't last forever?

    I don't know the previous own (Chris) well enough to say anything about what he wants from niner at this point but I assume he is still trying to make bikes that HE likes and wants to ride. But if there is a board of people between him and the welders I'm sure it'll be the "low, slack, enduro-bro" bikes we see from everyone else right now.

    Or will they weather the storm, clear current inventory and be ahead of the curve when every one gets sick of dragging their heals and riding bikes with 7' wheel base's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrible View Post
    I guess if selling out and giving up on what you believe in means your company doesn't grow, then maybe somethings just can't last forever?




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    But if there is a board of people between him and the welders I'm sure it'll be the "low, slack, enduro-bro" bikes we see from everyone else right now.

    Or will they weather the storm, clear current inventory and be ahead of the curve when every one gets sick of dragging their heals and riding bikes with 7' wheel base's?
    If they're smart they'll follow market trends and have the flexibility to adapt to future trends or they'll go away quick. Thats what the oversight of a BOD will hopefully assure.
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    All the comments about geometry I wonder if they have compared the current RIP to the current Hightower LT.

    I was thinking a 30 pound, 150mm, 29er, with long chain stays, good but not excessive reach and tall stack was modern, even "enduro bro" geo?

    Maybe Niner just needs more of us that know it's the rider not the bike out riding their bikes making them look cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spidy View Post
    All the comments about geometry I wonder if they have compared the current RIP to the current Hightower LT.

    I was thinking a 30 pound, 150mm, 29er, with long chain stays, good but not excessive reach and tall stack was modern, even "enduro bro" geo?

    Maybe Niner just needs more of us that know it's the rider not the bike out riding their bikes making them look cool.
    The HTLT is dated and SC is replacing it soon. Niner is trying to compete against SC, Iibis, Evil, Yeti, etc. They are not going to succeed unless they make what the people want. Look at how the Ripmo is flying out the door.
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    https://www.instagram.com/p/BtOXKPuC6hJ/?utm

    Looks like something new is coming on the 5th.

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    Looking forward to seeing what they come up with.
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    New Rip? Right now LT 29ers are where it’s at. Ironic isn’t it that Niner has had a 150/160 29 for some time now. Way ahead of all the “cool kids”.

    I just hope its not an ebike

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    With a -1.5 headset, the exisiting RIP is refreshingly modern. 65.5* HTA, 76* STA, 457mm-ish reach.

    It climbs great, is super plush and has a really well designed suspension curve.

    Curious to see if this new bike is even burlier & longer travel
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    With a -1.5 headset, the exisiting RIP is refreshingly modern. 65.5* HTA, 76* STA, 457mm-ish reach.

    It climbs great, is super plush and has a really well designed suspension curve.

    Curious to see if this new bike is even burlier & longer travel

    I agree the RIP as it is is great bike. I kinda hope it is a new longer travel bike so the existing ones go one sale and I can add a current Rip to go with my Jet.

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    There were some prototype shots last year of a longer travel bike with a more robust (!) front triangle IIRC, maybe the upcoming is the announcement of that ... the update of the WFO?

    And yeah, not a lot to complain about with my RIP9, other than I don't get to ride it enough (danged rain).

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    So as 29 are getting more travel the new Rip gets less? It’s now at 140/150. Does this mean fhe return of the WFO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Five0 View Post
    Does this mean fhe return of the WFO?
    Niner's coy response, to someone asking that in the comments of the Pinkbike article, sure seems to suggest the return of the WFO.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    Niner's coy response, to someone asking that in the comments of the Pinkbike article, sure seems to suggest the return of the WFO.
    I was just happy to get any answer from them, let alone a good one like that!
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    What was Niner’s response when asked?

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    So if they dropped the travel on the Rip, does that mean the WFO is going to come back with more travel?

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    I saw that in the link. That’s encouraging.

    I am confused by their decision to go 27.5. Two or three years ago, sure. But now when everyone else is getting on board with 29ers. Why not stay true to their heritage and say, “See, we told you so”.
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    How do you guys find these head angle adjusting headsets that work with these bikes?

    I browsed the Works Components site and I'm not sure if I understand. I don't have a bike that needs one, just curious as it would open up my list of bikes that I'd recommend to others. So if this Niner takes a ZS44/ZS56 headset and has a 100mm HT length, what do I need for a 1.5 or 2d angle adjust kit for tapered steerer? The Works 1.5d EC44/ZS56 set #2 for 100-109mm HT? Well, that rules out this $35 FSA one that says it works for 44/56 ID, but says 1 1/8" straight steerer only.

    I look at this new RIP9's geo, and immediately checked its CS and then its wheelbase. 434mm CS... I'd like to pair that with a FC that makes its WB 1225ish, considering the 140mm/150mm travel with fairly vertical axle path. I see that such a WB is in between L (1209) and XL (1240).

    Considering a 560mm A2C and a 66HA, adding 10mm to fork length would net me 4-5mm extra FC. Relaxing the HA by 1d would net 8-9mm extra FC. Adding 10mm travel (estimate this relaxes HA by 0.5d) + a 1.5d angleset would net an extra 22mm of FC, to make that large a 1231mm. Perfect, considering the FC shortens more under compression with the slacker HA.

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    Interesting tuning option to have. Makes this an option that's comparable to the rest of the competition out there, like the SB150 in M, La Sal Peak in L, L Ripmo, M Sentinel, etc.

    @Five0 They explain their decision to offer a 27.5 option on their RIP9 page: "they want more standover, less rotating weight, and the fast handling, quick draw agility of 27.5ers. So, they want a Niner, but they actually want a Twenty-Seven-Fiver. But one that’s made by Niner. Go figure."

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    I think it’s great to see Niner actually getting some attention this time. The last Jet and Rip got almost zero media hype MTBR , Bike, PB and Vital all reviewed it which didn’t happen the last go round. At least not right away. Clearly Niner is doing better at marketing. The website is and complete turn around too.

    To me the review consensus was “Wow Niner still makes great bikes!” That and. “CVA can pedal and man is it plush”.

    I think the problem is gonna be price point. 5600.00 for 3 star with GX and S1 wheels is a lot to pay for a botique brand trying to get its cool factor back. Especially when 5k can get you carbon all the way around from direct buy brands.

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    Yea, Niner is one of the first ones to pop in my mind for plushness *with* pedal efficiency, as opposed to those super active Horst links. Like a more refined Giant that appeals to "discerning enthusiasts" who appreciate the quality typically found on Ibis, Yeti, Pivot, etc.

    Good to hear they still have it.

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    Any predictions on a new WFO? I’m thinking 160R/170F. 150/160 is too close to new Rip.

    I imagine it will be DH/EWS oriented. I would sure like to see a bike that pedals well and can be ridden in all day.

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    I'm betting 170-180 front and 160-170mm rear travel. Stupid low BB, crazy reach (think steering a limo from the trunk) and some kind of way to mount at least 6 water bottle cages on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ninjichor View Post
    Yea, Niner is one of the first ones to pop in my mind for plushness *with* pedal efficiency
    Agreed. CVA is a great long travel platform.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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