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    Difference between '11 RIP & '12 RIP?

    I've decided to order a RIP, but my dealer only has an '11 model in stock which is not the color I was hoping for. He said the '12 frames are not scheduled to arrive for another 30 to 60 days. I'm trying to decide if I should get the '11 model now or if I should wait. He'll give me a pretty good deal on the '11 model.

    Is the '12 model exactly the same as the '11 model, or have there been some changes? I'm pretty sure someone mentioned geometry changes, but with no specifics. I also remember reading that the rear triangle was beefed up by a couple mm, but I'm pretty sure that was done with the '11 models.

    Please reply if there are any changes, as this info will help me decide.
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    I guess I was able to answer my own question thanks to Google's cached pages: Niner RIP 9 2012 Eurobike quick test | Mountain Bike Web Magazine Tri-Ride

    New developments for Rip 9 of Niner. The frame geometry has changed and now the performance is much more of the previous model. The main change has been made to the steering angle varies from 70.5 for forks with 120mm of travel up to 69.5 for those with 140mm.

    In this guide you will immediately notice, the Rip 9 2012 is much more responsive steering and a firmer. Also, says Niner, that with Cane Creek Angleset (not available as standard) it is still possible to vary the steering angle. Therefore, a range that varies from 72 (Fork 120mm) up to 68 (Fork 140mm). To the rear and 120mm of travel is managed by the system CVA which is specifically designed for bikes with wheels 29 inches in order to get a rear suspension that does not affect at all pedaling.

    The Rip 29 2012 is available in three different models and for all budgets. All three customizable front in the excursion. The guide is very well behaved. Uphill wheels 29″ and the suspension CVA allow to scale any singletrack. The seat is quite comfortable and relaxed riding position. Downhill behaved with dignity, The 120mm properly absorb any uneven ground. The maneuverability is excellent, the bike is easy and requires no skills to be great racers. Overall, the Rip 9 2012 is a bike for everyone, logically for lovers of the wheels increased. E light, agile and efficient. Almost half versatile in any situation.

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    The head angle measurements quoted in that article are the same as the ones quoted on Niner's website for the '11 models: 70.5 degrees for 120mm fork.

    So the questions are still out. Was there a geometry change (or any other changes) for the '12 model?

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    2010 has a campy style headset and a little steeper geometry. 2011 should already have zero stack headset. i am not aware of changes for 2012.

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    The 2012 Rip9 will have the new Coated Fox rear shock
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    Does that mean the next shipment of RIPs thats sometime in October or November? I'm guessing it would be worth the wait.

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    My concern is more with the steering. I like more relaxed steering, and always feel nervous when riding bikes with quick steering. We don't have any demo Niner dealers here in FL, but from what I've been reading, the RIP has more relaxed steering than the JET. Is this accurate? Has the steering geometry changed any on the 2012 model RIP9?

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    In that article the rip9 has a Monarch rear shock, is that just a modification or is it possibly another OEM option instead of fox?
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    Quote Originally Posted by megalops View Post
    My concern is more with the steering. I like more relaxed steering, and always feel nervous when riding bikes with quick steering. We don't have any demo Niner dealers here in FL, but from what I've been reading, the RIP has more relaxed steering than the JET. Is this accurate? Has the steering geometry changed any on the 2012 model RIP9?
    They changed the HA on the Rip9 for 2011 & yes the HA on the Rip9 is slacker than the Jet9.
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    Muzzanic, Is that the only change we should expect for the 2012 models?Is the geometry still gonna be the same?Is it true that the frame will come now with a monarch and no more fox?

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    Great to read posts by folks thinking about the R.I.P. 9. It is one of our best reviewed frame options.

    One clarification - we don't use model years in the conventional sense - chooosing instead to release upgrades or new products when they are ready. That said, for the coming season, the R.I.P. 9 will remain unchanged. The head tube angle is 70.5 or 69.5 depending on the fork length (120 vs 140). The shock is an RP23.

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    So will the new frames with RP23 have Kash finish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tws_andrew View Post
    So will the new frames with RP23 have Kash finish?
    I wanna know as well. I sure hope so, according to internet feedback it makes a very noticable difference plus its going to look dead sexy on a blac frame!
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    Brad, thanks for clearing up my geometry questions.

    I do have one more question. Do you have an ETA as to when the next shipment of RIP9s will be arriving? My dealer said to be prepared to wait 60 days. Does this sound correct, or is there a reasonable chance it could be sooner?

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    Regarding geometry question....

    What year model did the tang orange came out? Would it be okay to put my old rst 100mm air fork with it?

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    The Rip9 1st came out in Tang in 09 with the hydoformed tubes.

    You could run the 100mm fork but the bike is meant for 120/140 so wouldn't be as good IMO
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    So...am I correct in that steering on the RIP is not as precise/fast as it would be on the JET or RDO?

    Sorry to slightly change the subject, but I'm researching all three as an option for my move from Omaha to Colorado Springs in March.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisgardner73 View Post
    So...am I correct in that steering on the RIP is not as precise/fast as it would be on the JET or RDO?
    Depends on the amount of fork travel that one chooses for the JET and the RIP. The JET 9 with a 100mm fork has the HT angle at 71 degrees and a RIP with a 120mm fork has the HT angle at 70.5 degrees. That's how I have my JET and RIP set up and it's pretty darn close to the same handling - steering precision/speed wise. Obviously, running an 80mm fork on the JET and a 140mm on the RIP would be much more of a change easily felt between the 2 in terms of steering precision and steering speed.

    Quote Originally Posted by chrisgardner73 View Post
    Sorry to slightly change the subject, but I'm researching all three as an option for my move from Omaha to Colorado Springs in March.
    It would be hard not to recommend the RIP 9 over the JET 9 if moving to the Rocky Mountains. And the JET 9 is good for Omaha. I can't speak for the RDO as I've never ridden one, but the HT angle with the 120mm fork that the RDO can take up front is also 70.5 degrees - same as the RIP with a 120mm fork. I, personally, would go with the RIP (over the JET 9) for the amount of travel and stability - not to mention the option to go 140mm up front. If also considering the RDO, it fills a nice gap between the JET 9 and RIP 9 in terms of rear/front travel that might be just what you need.

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    Thanks for the help Bruce! The more I look at the RIP, the more I like it! All black with the black fork is damn sexy!

    What components are you running on your RIP? I'm usually a SRAM guy and planned on going with XO 2X10, but I'm considering going with Niner's XTR build kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    Depends on the amount of fork travel that one chooses for the JET and the RIP. The JET 9 with a 100mm fork has the HT angle at 71 degrees and a RIP with a 120mm fork has the HT angle at 70.5 degrees. That's how I have my JET and RIP set up and it's pretty darn close to the same handling - steering precision/speed wise. Obviously, running an 80mm fork on the JET and a 140mm on the RIP would be much more of a change easily felt between the 2 in terms of steering precision and steering speed.

    It would be hard not to recommend the RIP 9 over the JET 9 if moving to the Rocky Mountains. And the JET 9 is good for Omaha. I can't speak for the RDO as I've never ridden one, but the HT angle with the 120mm fork that the RDO can take up front is also 70.5 degrees - same as the RIP with a 120mm fork. I, personally, would go with the RIP (over the JET 9) for the amount of travel and stability - not to mention the option to go 140mm up front. If also considering the RDO, it fills a nice gap between the JET 9 and RIP 9 in terms of rear/front travel that might be just what you need.
    Bruce is pretty spot on here with his statements. Colorado Springs is pretty similar to Fort Collins, CO where half of the Niner Bikes crew lives and works. The JET9 is the perfect do everything bike - fast up - fast down. It was my go-to bike before the JET9 RDO came out. I'm now on a JET9 RDO and have run the 120mm up front the early part of 2011 and a 100mm Reba for the late summer and currently. For all around Colorado riding the 120mm would be my top choice.

    We've got some killer riding here in Fort Collins, so hit us up when you are in CO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisgardner73 View Post
    Thanks for the help Bruce! The more I look at the RIP, the more I like it! All black with the black fork is damn sexy!

    What components are you running on your RIP? I'm usually a SRAM guy and planned on going with XO 2X10, but I'm considering going with Niner's XTR build kit.
    Chris,

    I've got my XL RIP set up with a mix and match set of things I had in the parts bin and I ordered. I'm a bit partial to SRAM when it comes to rear derailleurs, shifters and chains. But pretty much agnostic when it comes to dialing in a build with stuff I like. It's "Omaha like" here in the Des Moines area and my RIP is more dialed in the XC/Trail bike direction. I race it for bumpy courses and endurance races (Bone Bender, Mt. Kato up in Minnesota, Sylvan Island in Moline, IL, etc.... - and it was all set to go for the Dakota Five-0 this year, but I had to pull the plug due to surprise work issues.).

    Triple Shimano XT crankset with custom rings of 23T Rotor Q Ring, and Russ Anderson's 30T middle and 40T outer ring. I use SRAM X.7 twist grips, Industry Nine Enduro wheels (Flow rims), Avid BB7 mechanical disc brakes with Avid Ultimate levers and Jagwire cables/housing, Thomson seatpost, Ritchey stem flipped negative (no spacers) with Syntace bars, SRAM X.0 rear derailleur, Fox Fork, and Xpedo Ti/Ti pedals.

    I've been riding this critter for 2 years now and it never fails to put a on my face.

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/6326946413/" title="RIPster November 2011 by singingsingletracker, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm7.static.flickr.com/6032/6326946413_98a709da5b_b.jpg" width="1024" height="674" alt="RIPster November 2011"></a>

    Fun bike and IMO, more of a do-it-all bike than the JET 9 aluminum for this 50 year old.

    When I head back home to the Black Hills for "mountain riding" and visiting family, I toss on the Ardent tires and usually ditch the XC tires if not racing (although sometimes I just leave the XC tires on for the trip as well). I've had my JET out in the Black Hills many times as well, and it always seems overwhelmed with the terrain. The RIP has never been overwhelmed out there. That's sort of why I suggested the RIP for your Rocky Mtn. move over the JET. My wife and I used to own land in Colorado Springs with singletrack right next to it, but we sold it back in 2003 before I ever got a chance to ride very much there.

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