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    CVA design questions

    Im not too familiar with CVA. Do you feel the shock moving through the pedals when you climb chunky technical trails? Does the shock stiffen up when climbing or remain active? How is braking affected when going downhill through technical terrain? Can anyone compare CVA to horst link or DW link designs?
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    Best comparisons are to DW Link and Giant Maestro.

    In my experience (Niner RIP9 150mm), the most recent iteration of CVA behaves like a plusher DW Link (comparing to Ibis' HD3 version of DW). Or, to the contrary, it feels like a snappier version of the Maestro suspension on a Giant Reign.

    The HD3 was wonderful while pedalling, but it wasn't the plushest in the rough and rowdy stuff. That rough and rowdy stuff is where CVA felt better. Compared to the HD3 DW-Link, the RIP9's CVA tradeoff while pedaling (to me) was worth a reduced 'snapiness' while pedaling.

    CVA is a really nice feeling suspension platform. Dare I say it's generally underrated.
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    Thanks. Im going to see if I can demo one of the new Rip9s. It sounds like what im looking for. That or maybe a Knolly Fugitive. It will probably be harder to demo the knolly though

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    Please post up your opinion on the new RIP. Not a lot of feedback on it yet. For the exact same reason Hokie mentioned in waiting for Niner to bring back the WFO. If the donít Iíll oick up a gen2 160/150 Rip.

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    IMO cva is much more efficient than the fsr bikes. Over the years I've had several specialized and titus bikes and my 1st niner was the OG jet with 135mm rear end and it pedaled so much better than any of the horst link bikes I had.

    Only thing close to cva that I've owned was my yeti sb66. It wasn't nearly as plush but did pedal just as well.

    But my rip can run a coil or an air shock and either works very well it just depends on what I want the bike to do. I have a hard tail for race days but the RIP with an air shock is good for XC (not great but comfy) and with a coil I have no issues taking it to a DH park for a weekend.

    I've demo'd a ripmo, a firebird 29, a yeti sb6 and out of those "current" bikes I haven't ridden anything that makes me want to drop $3k and leave the rip.

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    I have no experience with Giant, but my Jet 9 RDO I felt was stiffer in small bumps than the Ripley LS and the Pivot Trail 429. They all climbed very very well but no matter how much I set it up, the RDO felt stiffer over small bumps and I didn't like that. I sold my Niner and honestly I was afraid of the cracked frames, bad warranty service and instability in the company. I would have to say the new Bronson pedals like a DW bike now with the plushness of the vpp. I was really blown away how SC has improved vpp to work so well in climbing. I would also have to mention Yeti SB130, probably the best in climbing and no pedal bob but plush down hill. But, I would not recommend them due to all the issues they are having with quality control: flexing rear triangles, cracked frames, bad customer service, and very very expensive prices,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. 14 View Post
    I have no experience with Giant, but my Jet 9 RDO I felt was stiffer in small bumps than the Ripley LS and the Pivot Trail 429. They all climbed very very well but no matter how much I set it up, the RDO felt stiffer over small bumps and I didn't like that.
    I had the original Jet 9 RDO and it was limited somewhat by the Fox RP32 rear shock. It was challenging to tune to get small bump compliance as well as support for bigger hits. I changed it out to a Fox EVOL when they became available and it made a huge difference. Much better small bump compliance, but great mid-stroke support.

    I've since moved on to the RKT 9 RDO as my XC full suspension bike and it comes with an EVOL shock. Small bump compliance is very good and it is easy to tune and set up. With CVA the RKT 9 RDO climbs extremely well, even if you leave the shock fully open. However my bike did come with a remote do it's really easy to adjust modes if you want to.

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    My experience with CVA is a bit dated (had a 2007 RIP9). But even then it was a great platform. Pedaled very well, plush (but not quite as plush as Maestro). Definitely had to remember to switch the proposal propedal off on the fox shock when getting on the trail after a road section, because it felt terrible with it on when on the trail. Didn't even really need it on for road sections since it pedaled so well in the open setting. (I don't know if it was the shock or the suspension design, but other bikes didn't feel so bad with propedal on while on the trail). Obviously, you want it open on the trail, anyway, so it's not really a negative or even a criticism, just something I noticed.

    I imagine CVA is even better now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    Best comparisons are to DW Link and Giant Maestro.
    No, it's not. The CVA is a classic example of the fact that having two links doesn't mean anything special, it doesn't mean it works like the RM etsx, an old iron horse DW link, a lawill or anything specific. In this case, it works very much like a horst-link bike, with a steeply falling AS profile, only around 50% AS about halfway through the travel, due to the slope. Most of their kinematics are all the same, steeply falling anti-squat profile, like found on most horst-link bikes.
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