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    Where is the IONs?

    Anyone get one yet? Would like to here how you like it. Are they avaliable yet?

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    This is probably not much help, but a dealer in the UK has just taken delivery today of the ION ST demo frame. They are at this minute building the frame up, so they should be available some time soon.

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    Snap some pictures.

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    I am hoping to get up there in the coming weeks. I will post some pics when I get back.

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    mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm ion st.
    Pretty much my dream bike......aside from the proto ufo st gearbox bike. ahhhhhhhhhhhh.....

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    yummy

    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/cmadrigal/1817624186/" title="Photo Sharing"><img src="https://farm3.static.flickr.com/2215/1817624186_eba4ab322a_b.jpg" width="1024" height="684" alt="Nicolai Ion ST" /></a>

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    What a tease!

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    check more pics and the factory visit report here:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=353530

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    Saw those. Very nice.

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    We are 4 in France to have ordered this new Ion ST including me, I'll post pictures here when we got them !
    Joris BIGONI's brother has already received his Ion ST and it should be ready to ride in a few days ! You'll have pics when i'll got these !

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    Quote Originally Posted by samwell
    We are 4 in France to have ordered this new Ion ST including me, I'll post pictures here when we got them !
    Joris BIGONI's brother has already received his Ion ST and it should be ready to ride in a few days ! You'll have pics when i'll got these !
    SamWell, see the post where I visited the Nicolai factory last week. Did a parking lot ride on the ION. Very yummy bike. I would be getting one, but am happy with my Nucleon TFR...

    Cant wait to see some ION's up and running..
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    Bump... It's been 2 months, any out there?
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    Raaaaaahhhhhhhh, don't talk to meabout that .......
    I was compelled to receive it on middle december, and finally it will be there on middle february !
    We were 3 people to order a Ion in France, and only one have received his one !
    He posted pictures yesterday, here they are :

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    Quote Originally Posted by samwell
    Raaaaaahhhhhhhh, don't talk to meabout that .......
    I was compelled to receive it on middle december, and finally it will be there on middle february !
    We were 3 people to order a Ion in France, and only one have received his one !
    He posted pictures yesterday, here they are :
    Holy c--p!!! That is awesome. Do you know the size of this frame? Looks like a small or medium... Hope yours comes soon!
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    Yes, it's a M. The first french Ion is already riding, it's Joris BIGONI's brother (Jérome) who is the owner. But he hasn't posted pictures yet ...
    I can also show you what must be the first finished Ion of the world, It belongs to the australian dealer of nicolai, nicho ! It only weight 18kg !

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    Hey Samwell, that Ion is totally on the money. If I were in the market for a big downhill rig, that would be the frame for me. Some may say that Nicolai frames are expensive, but it's only when you own one that you see they are so worth it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by samwell
    I can also show you what must be the first finished Ion of the world, It belongs to the australian dealer of nicolai, nicho ! It only weight 18kg !

    I have the feeling that the one at Nicolai Factory might have been the first


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    Yes, but it's only a prototype (there is a different part on the frame just under the rear shock). Besides, I think it's just a demo bike and so it must belong to someone at Nicolai factory !
    By the way you are right, the one at the factory was the real first one ! And it's such a beautiful bike, I love the colour and the gold extra love !
    Lornibear : Can't wait to get mine !!!!!!!!! I totally agree with you, it's just when you get one that you realise you can't ride on an other bike anymore ! Nicolai is a drug, don't start !
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    I know where you are coming from. I have only just got my FR but already looking at an ST project perhaps next year if my riding progresses. Who said mountain biking was inexpensive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by samwell
    Yes, but it's only a prototype (there is a different part on the frame just under the rear shock). Besides, I think it's just a demo bike and so it must belong to someone at Nicolai factory !
    By the way you are right, the one at the factory was the real first one ! And it's such a beautiful bike, I love the colour and the gold extra love !
    cool... I didn't know there was a difference... Falco told us they were using it for magazine photo shoots, etc (no idea if it belonged to anybody in particular).... but yeah I suppose there are always tiny improvements to be done (especially on new models)

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    With a picture it's always easier to explain ! The hole on the picture isn't on the White demo Ion, but it's on all new ones.

    It's a little lighter, and I think it's nicer with the hole than without.
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    Even without the modification, it's still an awesome frame. Just out of curiosity, could you run a single crown fork like a totem as apposed to a triple crown? I know these frames are run with the likes of the Fox 40 and the RS Boxter, but would it throw the geometery out or is it a possibility?

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    I don't know, but the pink camo Ion will get a totem solo air. For this question you'll have to ask nicolai directly IMO.
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    Agreed, just having wild thoughts of the ION as apposed to the ST. I don't think the ION will pedal or climb well as it's not designed for that. Come to think of it, nor is the ST, but perhaps with a CCDB, it may just tip the scales.

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    Just find the answer, a totem is as high as a DH40 or a boxxer (+/- 5mm) so it should be ok !
    Just got an e-mail, my frame is beeing built, should be at home soon ...
    Does anybody know if the maxxle for 12*150mm rear frame exists ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by samwell
    Does anybody know if the maxxle for 12*150mm rear frame exists ?

    It exists according to the rear maxle specification
    http://www.sram.com/_media/techdocs/...0498-000_B.pdf

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    Ok thanks !
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    Hmmm Samwell, thanks for looking into the totem, it sounds like a nice possibility. Be sure to get the pics of your frame up on the site, I am really looking forward to seeing it.

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    I've been looking at this frame since it is said the bike rides well in 200mm travel mode the best. The Totem axel to crown isn't too far off from a triple clamp... All it would do is bump the head angle up to about 66.5 which I think would be ideal IMO. I wish a 1.5 head tube was standard though. It would allow a much lower stack height with a 1.5 reducer headset no matter what fork was installed.

    I like the new modification to the down-tube shock plate. Every gram counts I guess. I didn't notice any warnings on the web-site about not freeriding the frame like the TST evo G-boxx frame... I wonder how tough it is?
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    Hey Cliffy, how would you compare the riding characteristics between a frame such as the new Ion and say the Helius ST? Are they two totally different beasts or do they share any common ground i.e in the pedaling or if you really wanted to, their climbing?

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    One thing to keep in mind is that the ION is not very progressive. It is designed to use most of it's travel all the time. This frame will flat kill it on fast DH over rough terrain due to this characteristic. On the other hand, trying to pedal this frame around in a freeride scenerio or pedal it uphill is not going to be a lot of fun.

    The Helius-ST is without a doubt in my mind one of the all time greatest freeride frames. It's sits along side the V-Tach as royalty in the world of serious hucking. If you want to freeride, that's your pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lornibear
    Hey Cliffy, how would you compare the riding characteristics between a frame such as the new Ion and say the Helius ST? Are they two totally different beasts or do they share any common ground i.e in the pedaling or if you really wanted to, their climbing?
    Well I'm no expert here, I just hope to own a Nicolai at some point... My opinion though... I'm looking at the Helius ST for the more well rounded bike, and the ION for a single ring shuttle bike. I'm not sure I would get the front derailleur tower for the ST, but a e-type changer would work for any climbing... For me personally I'm looking for a shuttle bike for resorts and DH, but a lighter single crown build. (hopefully no more than 18 kilos or around 40 lbs.)

    It looks to me that the ION is better suited to bigger hits even though it only has a little more travel. If you look at the swingarm design, it has a higher pivot than the other Horst-link bikes, so I think it has a slightly more rearward axel path than the Helius bikes. It may handle the square-edged hits better...?

    My opinion of the ION over the Helius would be the lower center of gravity and cleaner lines of the design. If only more of the test riders could put their opinions on this forum. We need to get Falco on here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Err
    One thing to keep in mind is that the ION is not very progressive. It is designed to use most of it's travel all the time. This frame will flat kill it on fast DH over rough terrain due to this characteristic. On the other hand, trying to pedal this frame around in a freeride scenerio or pedal it uphill is not going to be a lot of fun.

    The Helius-ST is without a doubt in my mind one of the all time greatest freeride frames. It's sits along side the V-Tach as royalty in the world of serious hucking. If you want to freeride, that's your pick.
    Thanks for helping me on that question sir... Someone who's actually owned a Nicolai before.
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    I agree, I have the Helius FR and although I haven't spanked it yet, it is one hell of a bike. If the ST were to pedal anywhere near as good as my FR, then it may well be my next investment. The only factor I percieve as a stumbling block, is the issue of the front mech.

    Running a front mech on the ST will reduce the travel from 200mm to 180mm. However, something you mention interests me, which is the use of an e type changer. Will running this changer still allow the full use of the rear travel? If not, then the ST wouldn't be much more benefical than my FR which has a robust build at 36lb.

    What are your thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lornibear
    Running a front mech on the ST will reduce the travel from 200mm to 180mm. However, something you mention interests me, which is the use of an e type changer. Will running this changer still allow the full use of the rear travel? If not, then the ST wouldn't be much more benefical than my FR which has a robust build at 36lb.
    I recently learned e-thirteen makes a back plate for the DRS system that includes the e-type mount! I'm pretty sure using this or just the e-type would allow the full travel. Pic is below... (Err has posted before that his ST felt best in the 180mm travel setting though...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Cliffy
    I recently learned e-thirteen makes a back plate for the DRS system that includes the e-type mount! I'm pretty sure using this or just the e-type would allow the full travel. Pic is below... (Err has posted before that his ST felt best in the 180mm travel setting though...)
    just one question...is the travel limit to 180mm when an FD is used because of the FD mount or because of chainstay-RD cage interference?

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    I always ran my Helius-ST in the 180 mm setting any way (even though I never ran a front mech). It felt the best by far, even when charging big lines, riding at Whistler, etc.

    It will feel different at 180 mm than a Helius-FR as the leverage ratio is lower. Also, the HT angle will make a significant difference in handling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    just one question...is the travel limit to 180mm when an FD is used because of the FD mount or because of chainstay-RD cage interference?
    I think when the derailleur tower is used, it must come too close to the swingarm when it hits max travel...? May have to ask some of the guys in the Helius ST set-up thread...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Cliffy
    I think when the derailleur tower is used, it must come too close to the swingarm when it hits max travel...? May have to ask some of the guys in the Helius ST set-up thread...
    Unfortunately, I never checked to see what the point of interference was. It may have been the tire hitting the derailure.

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    Fair point there Err. Well the ST looks as though it's going to be my next project. It will have to wait six months due to work commitments, but it's looking favourable compared to the Intense Uzzi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Err
    Unfortunately, I never checked to see what the point of interference was. It may have been the tire hitting the derailure.
    Yeah, this makes more sense actually. I'd have to dig up a shot, but I saw a Helius ST with the derailleur tower and it was TALL. Like 3 or 4 inches tall...

    Edit: found a few shots of ST's. You can see how tall the optional derailleur tower is:
    (I guess I turned this ION thread into a Helius ST thread. Sorry guys. )
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    Hmmmm.....

    I think I will do a bit more research into the 'double ring thing' on the ST. With the E-Thirteen device, running a double ring seems a realistic choice.

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    Got a few new pictures of Nicho's Ion, who is the australian importator. He changed all what's inside the fork for the new BOS one(specialist of the suspension who will work with Nicolas Vouilloz for three years).
    He says it's really better than a boxxer WC or a 888 WC
    His rear shock was already a BOS, so he's got a full BOS bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samwell
    Open your eyes
    Now they won't shut!
    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo
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    holy bejebus, that thing is sooo hot!!

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    Dam that ION is hot, hot and triple hot......................

    I have just put a Fox 40 on the TFR, the A to C has lifted about 5 mm in comparisone to the Totem. No go with a 888 though.....

    An all out pure DH machine for pure shuttling I would get the ION, a hardcore pure FR steed, would jump on the ST............
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    Want to buy an Ion

    [QUOTE=samwell]Yes, it's a M.

    Hey there everyone, I'm new

    I would like to buy an Ion but finding somewhere to try one out for size is pretty difficult in the UK. I just curious as to what sizes people have been ordering?

    I'm 5ft 10 1/2 inches, or 178cm. It's looking like a medium is correct for me.

    What do you guys think?

    Cheers!

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    Hi paul,
    I'm 183cm, and I've ordered a size L. I must receive it next week, I will be able to tell you if it fits for me or not !
    But in my opinion a M should be perfect for you !
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    [QUOTE=pauljamesgallagher]
    Quote Originally Posted by samwell
    Yes, it's a M.

    Hey there everyone, I'm new

    I would like to buy an Ion but finding somewhere to try one out for size is pretty difficult in the UK. I just curious as to what sizes people have been ordering?

    I'm 5ft 10 1/2 inches, or 178cm. It's looking like a medium is correct for me.

    What do you guys think?

    Cheers!

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    Medium fo sho!

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    Thanks so much for the replies.

    I'll go with the medium!

    I've been riding my friend's UFO ST and to be honest, it's the best bike I've ever riden. But, I'm a downhiller through and through and I need something a little longer in the wheelbase. The UFO jumped better than any bike I've tested. So naturally the Ion was my choice.

    I'm looking forward to getting to know all you guys in the future. I will update how I get on with the bike.

    Many thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauljamesgallagher
    Thanks so much for the replies.

    I'll go with the medium!

    I've been riding my friend's UFO ST and to be honest, it's the best bike I've ever riden. But, I'm a downhiller through and through and I need something a little longer in the wheelbase. The UFO jumped better than any bike I've tested. So naturally the Ion was my choice.

    I'm looking forward to getting to know all you guys in the future. I will update how I get on with the bike.

    Many thanks

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    Sweet to hear from you Paul, welcome to MTBR. Look forward to following your ION purchase, it is a great bike. Had a good perve and play at the factory with it... Am already amping for around 2 years time to see the GBoxx ION... YUmmy
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    Hey Whafe, I wondered what the 40 was for, would love to see some pics with it fitted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Sweet to hear from you Paul, welcome to MTBR. Look forward to following your ION purchase, it is a great bike. Had a good perve and play at the factory with it... Am already amping for around 2 years time to see the GBoxx ION... YUmmy
    Bring it on! Put in the order for my Ion. Should be with me by the middle/end of March. Ordered a medium in anodised black with red finishing kit. Gonna look yum with my black boxxer teams.

    I ride hard and keep cracking frames, so looking forward to something that is nigh on indestructible!

    Out of interest, does anyone know by what degree moving the shock slider up changes the head angle? My 224 was 63 degrees, and guessing the factory setup for the Ion is 65.7 degrees, I'd like to get it similar to my 224 by moving it up one hole. And one more (only this one more, I promise) is the seat tube measurement up to the toptube and gusset, or right up to the end of the tubing where you jam(!) the seatpost in?

    Questions, questions, questions....

    Cheers in advance guys, and soooo looking forward to hearing how your builds go.

    Paul

    (oooh, one more question, guess I lied before – when has everyone else been estimated the time of arrival for their frames?)

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    To anyone who is interested -

    Little ol' me in London who ordered his Ion at the beggining of February has found out that his frame isn't going to be shipped until the first week of May. The first batch is done, but mine doesn't fall into that one.

    Paul

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    Sorry to hear that, still it is not to to bad, some 12 weeks is to be expected I guess...

    Post up a thread on your proposed build, that helps the time pass, we can debate it etc....

    Hang in there bro.........Will be worth the wodd you will get in your life when it arrives...
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    Trust me,

    Quote Originally Posted by pauljamesgallagher
    To anyone who is interested -

    Little ol' me in London who ordered his Ion at the beggining of February has found out that his frame isn't going to be shipped until the first week of May. The first batch is done, but mine doesn't fall into that one.

    Paul
    Waiting on ANY Nicolai [email protected] BUT It's sooooooo worth the wait.I just finished building my new Nicolai yesterday(not a ION but a Nicolai none the less)this is to me hands down the sweetest Nicolai/bike I 've EVER seen.Photo's coming soon.

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    Here's my spec for the bike, when the frame turns up, for people to give opinions on. Fat lot of good it will do as it's all sitting in a box in my garage and I've run out of money to buy anything else

    Riding terrain conditions: Downhill, and off as many big, fast jumps as I can

    * Rider height, weight, ride style e.g XC, endurance,trail, hucker etc

    178cm, 12st 4lbs, dirt jumping, downhill, anything really, some XC

    * Frame, Size, & Color: Medium; Anodised Black and red finishing kit, like the one on the website
    * Fork: 2007 Boxxer Teams
    * Shock: Fox DHX5
    * Brakes: Avid Juicy 7
    * Pedals: Funn Slowjam Vipers
    * Stem: Raceface D2
    * Handlebar: Truvativ Husselfelt 720mm low-rise
    * Seatpost: Thomson Elite
    * Saddle: THE DH
    * Chain: Sram
    * Headset: Nicoli Fet Set
    * Grips: ODI Rouge
    * Shitfer: Shimano Saint
    * Rear Mech: XT Shadow
    * BB/Chainset: Saint 165mm
    * Chain Device: E13 SRS with Black 36 tooth supercharger
    * Front Tire: Maxxis High Roller Super Tacky 2.5
    * Rear Tire: Maxxis Minion 60a 2.5
    * Front Rim/ Spokes: Mavic 729
    * Front Hub/Skewer: Hope Pro II
    * Rear Rim/ Spokes: Mavic 729
    * Rear Hub: Hope Pro II
    * Cables: Cheap as chips!
    Last edited by pauljamesgallagher; 03-10-2008 at 11:44 PM.

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    Min will be home this week end, after more than 6 months of waiting !!!!
    Can't wait to build it up and to ride it, but unfortunately snow is expected for all week-end !
    Never enough singletracks !

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    Here it is !!!!!!
    Sorry for the picture but it's taken in my flat !

    I have only tested it 1 hour, and it was snowing but this week end is my first competition, and I will be able to tell you more about this bike !
    It weights 19.2kg for the moment, but i'm waiting a new front wheel (lighter), an E13 LG1and a titanium spring for the DHX5 !
    Never enough singletracks !

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    Nice ride there samwell, looking nice in green, let us know how it rides bro!

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    awesome, samwell!

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    Lovely bike there. Makes me so much more impatient for mine.

    What size is that, by the way? Looks like a medium.

    Paul

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    It's an L ! And it's perfect for my 1m83 ! More details on the post of my Ion by whafe !
    Never enough singletracks !

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    Samwell, would L in UFO ST or IonST be ok for rider 1m92 or would I need custom TT?
    Your advice on sizing would be appreciated.

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    All what I can say is that the TT of the IonST is really small, even in L size. If you like small frames, a L will be perfect. Otherwise, you'd better ask nicolai directly to know exactly what's best for you !
    My friends who are 1m75 and who ride a M think that the L is too long for them, so It might be ok with a L for you, maybe Err or whafe can help you better than me !
    Never enough singletracks !

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    Smile

    Got the good news today. My frame is just a few hundred miles away from my home in the lovely Yorkshire. All I need is it to be shipped to London. I'm expecting it in my hands on Wednesday or Thursday. Expect pictures for the weekend.

    And I've taken this afternoon off to go riding in the sunshine. Does it get any better?

    Paul

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    Good stuff... looking forward to seeing a nice, fresh out of the oven, Nicolai

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