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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Iíve been so busy at work I have been quiet. Also pretty happy with my bike!

    Due to get G1 springtime along with Selva and EXT. Iím confident it will be almost exactly the same as my bike but with slightly more upright pedalling position and lower BB, which was the plan. The fork will be better than my current fork but we shall see on the shock. Iím still old skool with 2 lengths of X2

    Iím also going to flip between 27.5 and 29 front as a bit of an experiment on trails I ride.

    I didnít know Jack was leaving. I would say money probably is tight and Brexit probably not helping, but Iím not sure heís doing better than before he took on the bike which could also be a question in his mind.

    I do know they canít make enough ebikes... not my bag but everywhere I turn these days.

    Iím beginning to look at natural riding more to avoid being buzzed and the lack of etiquette. I donít know if it was always there but I didnít see it or if itís a whole new type of new rider.

    Clearly doesnít apply to all, just my recent experience.


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    Hey @the_pilot any news on your G1? I see the GeoMetron guys are building & shipping at the moment so preume you were one of the early orders
    Keen to hear your thoughts on frame/shock/fork as & when you get a chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by bathbill View Post
    Hey @the_pilot any news on your G1? I see the GeoMetron guys are building & shipping at the moment so preume you were one of the early orders
    Keen to hear your thoughts on frame/shock/fork as & when you get a chance
    Iím not! So busy at work! Waiting for Chris to come back to me..


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    Can't wait to see more G1's build up the next weeks on Instagram!

    Cornelius, Nicolai's team rider has his one built up too last week and its the first one i saw in black with black decals and looks damn good!

    In the meantime i'm looking for a new shock for racing purposes for my G15, as the Monarch Plus is good but not as good as it could be (especially for my 100kg rider weight).

    DHX2? Vivid Coil? Unfortunately the EXT Storia v3 is too expensive for me, although it would be a dream come true to have one on my bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguy3001 View Post
    Can't wait to see more G1's build up the next weeks on Instagram!

    Cornelius, Nicolai's team rider has his one built up too last week and its the first one i saw in black with black decals and looks damn good!

    In the meantime i'm looking for a new shock for racing purposes for my G15, as the Monarch Plus is good but not as good as it could be (especially for my 100kg rider weight).

    DHX2? Vivid Coil? Unfortunately the EXT Storia v3 is too expensive for me, although it would be a dream come true to have one on my bike!
    well vivid coil is significantly cheaper yes ( I could get new 216mm one for 270euro in Slovakia), but I donīt know where you are from, if US than ok, DHX2 is cheaper there, but in europe DHX2 with SLS spring is pretty much as expensive as Storia, which is tragicomical all things considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguy3001 View Post
    Can't wait to see more G1's build up the next weeks on Instagram!

    Cornelius, Nicolai's team rider has his one built up too last week and its the first one i saw in black with black decals and looks damn good!

    In the meantime i'm looking for a new shock for racing purposes for my G15, as the Monarch Plus is good but not as good as it could be (especially for my 100kg rider weight).

    DHX2? Vivid Coil? Unfortunately the EXT Storia v3 is too expensive for me, although it would be a dream come true to have one on my bike!
    I have a van rc which is the same thing as the new marz shock. Itís pretty damn good. I sent it to Craig at avalanche and would say itís probably the best feeling shock ive had. So for under 400 you can have a custom tuned damper that is actually shimmed for you. Hard to beat. Mines on a g15 but I long shocked it to 165mm rear travel matched with a 170 marz bomber.



    On another note Iíve been thinking of throwing my 650b rear wheel on after rotarua to see what I think of a hybrid set up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguy3001 View Post
    Can't wait to see more G1's build up the next weeks on Instagram!

    Cornelius, Nicolai's team rider has his one built up too last week and its the first one i saw in black with black decals and looks damn good!

    In the meantime i'm looking for a new shock for racing purposes for my G15, as the Monarch Plus is good but not as good as it could be (especially for my 100kg rider weight).

    DHX2? Vivid Coil? Unfortunately the EXT Storia v3 is too expensive for me, although it would be a dream come true to have one on my bike!
    I've just got a Storia V2 222x17 (175mm) for £600 from Mojo....may still have some in stock comes with 2 springs for your weight......lovely bit of kit must say
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegromit View Post
    I have a van rc which is the same thing as the new marz shock. Itís pretty damn good. I sent it to Craig at avalanche and would say itís probably the best feeling shock ive had. So for under 400 you can have a custom tuned damper that is actually shimmed for you. Hard to beat. Mines on a g15 but I long shocked it to 165mm rear travel matched with a 170 marz bomber.
    This is very interesting, what did you do when you changed the travel of G15 from 145mm to 165mm? Or did I misunderstood the above?

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    I just put a longer stroke shock on it. Stock is 8.5x2.5 if you put a 8.75x2.75 shock you get 20mm more travel. Its how it is done on the g16.
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    Thanks, that's what I suspected! My earlier understanding was that there's not enough room for additional rear wheel travel.
    Did you use offset bushings to compensate any changes to geometry due to different shock lenght?

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    What is max tire width you can put on g1? I am currently considering between geometron g1 and pole stamina. I really like versatility of g1 and available color choices but stamina has a lot of clearance in the rear, can take up 29x2.8 also has multiple bottle mounts which geometron bikes seems to be missing completely.

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    ^2.5" says tech sheet on Nicolai's web page:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...DOP9Y6/pubhtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuomasR View Post
    Thanks, that's what I suspected! My earlier understanding was that there's not enough room for additional rear wheel travel.
    Did you use offset bushings to compensate any changes to geometry due to different shock lenght?
    No I was just riding with it in the low position but I also put a 170mm fork on it.
    I did order a offset bushing to try an experiment with a 27.5 rear wheel.
    Currently I have one on with about a 63* HTA 76ish STA and a BB about 330ish.
    The offset should put me at about 63.5HTA 76.5STA and BB 338.

    Should be a pretty fun set up I think.
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    I have stock set up currently, with 160mm fork ,which unfortunately doesn't support longer airspring (Fox 36).
    Is my following logic more or less right assuming I mount 6 millimeters longer shock (216=>222) to my G15:
    1) the head and seat angles become 0,5-1 steeper and bb raises by let's say +5 millimeters.
    2) Two offset bushings would compensate the changes
    3) -2 degrees angle set would approximately compensate the increased bb height (I have one waiting for installation) but would of course steepen seat angle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuomasR View Post
    I have stock set up currently, with 160mm fork ,which unfortunately doesn't support longer airspring (Fox 36).
    Is my following logic more or less right assuming I mount 6 millimeters longer shock (216=>222) to my G16:
    1) the head and seat angles become 0,5-1 steeper and bb raises by let's say +5 millimeters.
    2) Two offset bushings would compensate the changes
    3) -2 degrees angle set would approximately compensate the increased bb height (I have one waiting for installation) but would of course steepen seat angle.
    with leverage ratio close to 3:1 at the beginning of the stroke the BB height change would be closer to 15-18mm, 2 offset bushings should bring it down to 5-6mm and head angle at this point should be 0.25-0.5 deg steeper. 2deg Angleset will lower bb by 3-4mm, so it should be pretty close to stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuomasR View Post
    I have stock set up currently, with 160mm fork ,which unfortunately doesn't support longer airspring (Fox 36).
    Is my following logic more or less right assuming I mount 6 millimeters longer shock (216=>222) to my G16:
    1) the head and seat angles become 0,5-1 steeper and bb raises by let's say +5 millimeters.
    2) Two offset bushings would compensate the changes
    3) -2 degrees angle set would approximately compensate the increased bb height (I have one waiting for installation) but would of course steepen seat angle.
    You should be able to mount the 222 without any change just use the 222 (old low) mount on the shock lever.
    I assume you were using the 216 in that mount hole.
    The front will already be lower/steeper with 160mm fork unless of course it is set up 29 both ends. Which I guess it is based on your expected changes to stock.
    Apologies if I missed this information earlier!


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    Just to clarify: I have G15 not G16, made a typo in my latest post (earlier I have mentioned G15, now corrected). Sorry for confusion.
    Did you the_pilot and ghostbiker reply assuming G16 or G15?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuomasR View Post
    Just to clarify: I have G15 not G16, made a typo in my latest post (earlier I have mentioned G15, now corrected). Sorry for confusion.
    Did you the_pilot and ghostbiker reply assuming G16 or G15?
    I replied based on G16


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    If you long shock it but put it in the low position you pretty much have the same geo as if you had a short shock in the high position.

    What do you want to do? Make it lower and slacker or higher less slack.
    If you use the angleset to make it slacker you get a steeper seat tube angle, which I think is good.
    If you use the offset bushing to make it slacker you'll get a slacker seat tube angle, which I think maybe not as good.
    But you might want to use a combo of both.
    EG: Long shocked so you have like a 64.5 hta plus a offset bushing in the steep position, then the angleset in the slack position giving you like a 63 head tube angle and like 78 seat tube angle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegromit View Post
    If you long shock it but put it in the low position you pretty much have the same geo as if you had a short shock in the high position.

    What do you want to do? Make it lower and slacker or higher less slack.
    If you use the angleset to make it slacker you get a steeper seat tube angle, which I think is good.
    If you use the offset bushing to make it slacker you'll get a slacker seat tube angle, which I think maybe not as good.
    But you might want to use a combo of both.
    EG: Long shocked so you have like a 64.5 hta plus a offset bushing in the steep position, then the angleset in the slack position giving you like a 63 head tube angle and like 78 seat tube angle.
    My primary objective is to get more travel for bike park days, without messing up the geo. I also would like to understand the changes made, and to test / play with different geos.
    Slacker hta and steeper sta are intuitively ok, lower bb is not because the bike feels low enough already. In summary more travel, bit slacker and same or bit higher bb height

    You guys are super helpful, thanks!

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    How are recent experiences regarding 29er front and 27er rear?
    Best case if someone did it on the G16...

    At the moment I am on full 27er and think about going 29er front. But this means a new fork.

    Or buying a full 29er bike somewhen in future is a better option?

    Donít mean the details in angles or heights. Just interested if there is really an improvement for riding when putting a 29er wheel on a 27er bike?

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by joey12345 View Post
    How are recent experiences regarding 29er front and 27er rear?
    Best case if someone did it on the G16...

    At the moment I am on full 27er and think about going 29er front. But this means a new fork.

    Or buying a full 29er bike somewhen in future is a better option?

    Donít mean the details in angles or heights. Just interested if there is really an improvement for riding when putting a 29er wheel on a 27er bike?

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    Iím afraid thatís hard to answer. It depends on what Ďimprovementí means to you!

    I have used mine 29 front 27.5 rear G16 for a long time now. I really like the way it reacts to inputs, both steering and overall. I like the way it carves.

    But I loved it 27.5. I liked the way the front was so reactive

    The upside of going with a 29 fork is you arenít tied. Itís the same a2c as the 180mm fox so you can drop in the 27.5 wheel anytime and use it as a 160mm/155mm bike or even a 175mm/160mm depending on your current shock.

    So itís not like you are stuck if you donít like the hybrid.

    I think itís very unlikely you wouldnít like it, just make sure you get a 29 fork with an offset between 42mm-46mm


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    Thanks for your answer and your thoughts.

    Sure this is not an easy answer cause everybody likes different stuff and styles

    What kind of setup are you using at the moment?

    May itís really as you said and I should be happy with my agile 27,5er and look for some other options somewhen in future.
    A new fork and wheel is not a cheap thing

    So do you feel the efficiency of the full the scaled setup is comparable to full 29er or is it very different compared to a full 29er?
    Others:
    Whatís the downside of full 29 compared to scaled?

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    Demo Day at eastridge was interesting yesterday.

    Firstly the Megatower, what an underwhelming bike, CC with carbon wheels, 36 grip 2 fork. Felt like a long legged trail bike than a big travel Enduro bike. Bike was harsh and such that there was far too much feedback through the bars and pedals, couldnít push the bike. It skipped all over the place and had to fight it to keep it on line, or somewhere near!

    Now onto the geometrons. Rode a G1 27 first off before the Megatower, first trail had to adjust to how it wanted to corner, after that it just wants you to get off the brakes and throw it in. Rear tyre was dead so tricky to get it slowed down at times. Bike was a bit rattly, needed the clutch sorting on the mech and some 2224 tape on the back end. I hate noisy bikes!

    After the underwhelming Megatower, was onto the g1 27. Fresh set of boots on this one! Also went a bit softer on the rear spring and and was on the formula fork (was riding the one in the milner video). Fork took a little getting used to, been on a Lyrik since Christmas, which is more sensitive (g1 27 was on a Lyrik). Felt more comfortable the second time round on the G1, even with a wheel size change. Can really lean on the front, more notable when it gets steep, you can still drive the front end without the fear of going over the bars.

    Managed to snag a ride on a g1 27 at the end of the day when Mojo/Santa Cruz were going for a quick run round some of the trails at eastridge. Extra mileage helped to really learn the bike and the way it wanted to be ridden, good to be back on the Lyrik again. Rear tyre wasnít a problem this time as I knew Iíd need to scrub speed a little earlier.
    Rode some tight, steep switchback turns, bike had no issue turning, its super stable, yet still wants to change direction.

    When it comes to replacing the enduro at the end of the year, G1 is currently the only one on the list. Last enduro was eating bearings on a regular basis, see how the replacement goes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguy3001 View Post
    Can't wait to see more G1's build up the next weeks on Instagram!

    Cornelius, Nicolai's team rider has his one built up too last week and its the first one i saw in black with black decals and looks damn good!

    In the meantime i'm looking for a new shock for racing purposes for my G15, as the Monarch Plus is good but not as good as it could be (especially for my 100kg rider weight).

    DHX2? Vivid Coil? Unfortunately the EXT Storia v3 is too expensive for me, although it would be a dream come true to have one on my bike!
    In about 10 days I should have a freshly [Sprung] serviced Fox X2 for sale [222mm from my G16]. PM me if that helps. I also have a 222 Stoy which was serviced just before i bought the G16 so hasnít been used for more that 2 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Iím afraid thatís hard to answer. It depends on what Ďimprovementí means to you!

    I have used mine 29 front 27.5 rear G16 for a long time now. I really like the way it reacts to inputs, both steering and overall. I like the way it carves.

    But I loved it 27.5. I liked the way the front was so reactive

    The upside of going with a 29 fork is you arenít tied. Itís the same a2c as the 180mm fox so you can drop in the 27.5 wheel anytime and use it as a 160mm/155mm bike or even a 175mm/160mm depending on your current shock.

    So itís not like you are stuck if you donít like the hybrid.

    I think itís very unlikely you wouldnít like it, just make sure you get a 29 fork with an offset between 42mm-46mm


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    Joey, hybrid is THE way, Its carves so beautifully and rolls over nicely too. You do need to wrk the front and lean the bike a bit more so thatís great if thatís your style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mebaru View Post
    What is max tire width you can put on g1? I am currently considering between geometron g1 and pole stamina. I really like versatility of g1 and available color choices but stamina has a lot of clearance in the rear, can take up 29x2.8 also has multiple bottle mounts which geometron bikes seems to be missing completely.
    Mebaru,
    have you tried a 2.8 tyre, they are very bouncy and generally with weak carcasses or they's be super heavy, no way would I run a tyre like that on the rear.
    Get a Geometron, its SO much nicer a bike (I've been on G16 since 2015 and am about to get a G1) I might put a 2.5 WT Maxxis on the back, maybe DD but I expect I'll stick with the DD 2.3 Aggressor til it gets sloppy again, then a Shorty

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    Question for guys running coil shock on g16, whatīs your weight and what spring rate are you using, also what travel setting?

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    16st 500lb for trial riding and 475lb for more gravity EXT Storia V2 lok 175mm and 170mm front

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    Was there myself at eastridge for G1 testing, what a great day but thought the trails we rode were pants, nowhere near long enough to do any sort of test justice apart from climbing which was incredible on the 29er!

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    thinking of buying one of these - does anyone have a picture of what the XX Longest G1 frame looks like with 29er wheels?
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    Quick Mojo 2018 G16 question - does a offset need to be built into the rear wheel? Iím build one up now and it looks to be the case...

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    bigcrs, no, a standard rear wheel works fine.

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    I did the long travel upgrade to my G13 a couple of weeks ago, I posted on the FB page at the time but wanted to get a couple of rides in before posting the details/thoughts here:
    Replaced the 190x51mm Fox DPS with EXT Storia LOK V2 197x57mm giving 145mm rear travel. At the same time I had my Fox 34ís serviced and travel increased to 150mm.
    EXT Storia shock was fitted with a 2mm offset bushing at each eyelet (so 4mm in total) but this would still have raised the BB too much so existing 33mm mutator on chainstay was replaced a 41mm one. This dropped the BB to be in keeping with that of the G1 and had added benefit of slackening head angle from 64.5deg to 63.8deg, and also increasing chainstay length from 453mm.
    Seat angle is slightly less steep at 75.3deg although this is compensated by longer chainstay so climbing ability not affected.

    I did 3 laps at BPW as a first shakedown ride, the bike felt really great (other than a couple of pedal strikes!) Ė the handling and balance of bike felt awesome but I felt I wanted to try it on my local trails to really appreciate the difference. Hence I rode my local trails yesterday and Iím still buzzing about the performance of the bike! Uphill the bike is essentially the same (no pedal strikes this time), geometry is good and you donít notice extra weight. Downhill the bike just leaps into life and allows you to go faster whilst still staying composed at the rear, I set PBís on a fast, long, rocky descent and also a more technical chute. I was blown away! Iíve been riding these tracks regularly for years!
    Part of this I guess is the relative poor performance of the DPS shock and part is the geometry tweaks but thereís no doubting the quality and capability of the shock! FoD next weekend I think!

    Big thanks to GeoMetron guys who fitted shock and helped get me set up, they also fitted the new cable guide/chainstay kit and some fresh decals

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    Quote Originally Posted by bathbill View Post
    I did the long travel upgrade to my G13 a couple of weeks ago, I posted on the FB page at the time but wanted to get a couple of rides in before posting the details/thoughts here:
    Replaced the 190x51mm Fox DPS with EXT Storia LOK V2 197x57mm giving 145mm rear travel. At the same time I had my Fox 34ís serviced and travel increased to 150mm.
    EXT Storia shock was fitted with a 2mm offset bushing at each eyelet (so 4mm in total) but this would still have raised the BB too much so existing 33mm mutator on chainstay was replaced a 41mm one. This dropped the BB to be in keeping with that of the G1 and had added benefit of slackening head angle from 64.5deg to 63.8deg, and also increasing chainstay length from 453mm.
    Seat angle is slightly less steep at 75.3deg although this is compensated by longer chainstay so climbing ability not affected.

    I did 3 laps at BPW as a first shakedown ride, the bike felt really great (other than a couple of pedal strikes!) Ė the handling and balance of bike felt awesome but I felt I wanted to try it on my local trails to really appreciate the difference. Hence I rode my local trails yesterday and Iím still buzzing about the performance of the bike! Uphill the bike is essentially the same (no pedal strikes this time), geometry is good and you donít notice extra weight. Downhill the bike just leaps into life and allows you to go faster whilst still staying composed at the rear, I set PBís on a fast, long, rocky descent and also a more technical chute. I was blown away! Iíve been riding these tracks regularly for years!
    Part of this I guess is the relative poor performance of the DPS shock and part is the geometry tweaks but thereís no doubting the quality and capability of the shock! FoD next weekend I think!

    Big thanks to GeoMetron guys who fitted shock and helped get me set up, they also fitted the new cable guide/chainstay kit and some fresh decals
    I was thinking about the LT option, but I ended up keeping the shorter travel and putting a Storia in. The shock is way more composed than the Fox, I think the bike pedals better as well.

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    Hey @Standard - do you mean that you put the 197mm EXT Storia in the G13 without making any other adjustments? Doesn't that make the BB too high and head angle steeper?

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    @bathbill I've got 190x50 (or as close as they can make it with the bushings). The forks are 150mm 34s with a Works -2 angleset. I don't think I'd want the BB any lower.

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    Ah ok, makes sense I think, it's a long travel upgrade but keeping same chainstay length?
    BB height is taking a bit of getting used to tbh (as I mention above) but seems to add even more stability, I do still have to old mutators if I feel like changing back.
    I've attached the CAD drawing that Marcel did for me:

    One thing I thought about trying later down the line would be switching ET key to High to steepen SA and then fitting angleset (similar to you) to slacken out HA
    Cheers dude
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    Hi Bathbill - I'm running my G13 with either a 190x50 CCIL Air or a 190x57 DHX2 (depending on where I am riding) but am keeping it in the High position for the improved pedal clearance. Not finding any negatives to that yet. Also got the -2 angleset and a 150mm Lyrik fitted.

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    The beauty of the bike is that it's so adaptable to riding style and trails etc
    The way I have it at the moment the chainstay length and BB drop is in keeping with that of the G1 (29er guise), time will tell if I need to adjust this and/or make changes to HA or SA
    Of course problem is when you improve it in one way it highlights shortcomings in others...I think next year I'll invest in stiffer fork, probably Lyrik (although Selva looks nice), and also some more powerful brakes!

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    Hi. I'm running an E13 9-46 cassette on a set of Newmen Evolution A.30 wheels and the chain is rubbing slightly on the rearmost dropout bolt - it protrudes about 1-1.5mm - when in the 9t cog.
    Anyone else have same issue?
    Any suggestions? I'm looking at just filing it down but don't want to knacker the thread.
    Don;t really want to change cassettes as i really like the gear spread on this - having a 30t front ring is great as there are a lot of logs to get over locally.

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    What bike racks do you use for the G1? I'm planning to get the Longer sized G1 and I'm worried about having issues with the racks.

    I'm planning to get the full-on tray rack, as well as the fork-mounted rack.

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    I've got Thule Proride racks, and my G16 Longest fits fine on it. Most Thule racks have that same length, both roof and hitch-mounted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olaal View Post
    I've got Thule Proride racks, and my G16 Longest fits fine on it. Most Thule racks have that same length, both roof and hitch-mounted.
    Thank you for this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonswhite View Post
    Hi. I'm running an E13 9-46 cassette on a set of Newmen Evolution A.30 wheels and the chain is rubbing slightly on the rearmost dropout bolt - it protrudes about 1-1.5mm - when in the 9t cog.
    Anyone else have same issue?
    Any suggestions? I'm looking at just filing it down but don't want to knacker the thread.
    Don;t really want to change cassettes as i really like the gear spread on this - having a 30t front ring is great as there are a lot of logs to get over locally.
    Never come across it. Got any pics? Marcel would be Guy to ask at GeoMetron for official advice.


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    Got one G1

    Yeeha, this beauty arrived. And oh wow, how burly is that downtube. This is a serious bit of kit.

    Nicolai/Mojo GeoMetron build/riding/Development Thread-geo-1-2.jpg

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    I bought some extra mutators with the frame. I have 3 possible settings. I can run the standard 29er setting, I can run the 29er setting with a longer CS for super fast park work and I can run a mullet set up (29 f/27.5 r).

    Nicolai/Mojo GeoMetron build/riding/Development Thread-geo-3-1-.jpg

    This is such a market leading bike and design, on many levels. Industry leading geo, and now full adjustability with no cost to the geo set up. No other make protects and accurately sustains their geo through such a range of adjustability. These guys are serious about the right geo for the job.

    Thank you Geometron for such a great bike. Time to build.

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    Hey @WilliamK looks nice
    I'm interested in the different mutators you've got - are these just on the chainstay or also on the lower shock mount?

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    Hey Bathbill,

    On the website there is a geo sheet and on that it can expand out to show you which mutators you might want for the wheel size or combo you are running.

    To answer you more directly, there is a spacer to length or shorten the Seatstay and there is a mutator to do the same for the chain stay. Working these two in conjunction preserves the geo, bb etc.

    And yes, there is an extra shock mount, it provides for 2 rear travel settings. So in the big configuration I have a choice of rear travel, 175mm/162mm. Changing shock lengths etc and probably mutators you can run a lower travel setting as well.

    Pretty darn adjustable.

    Cheers W

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostbiker View Post
    well vivid coil is significantly cheaper yes ( I could get new 216mm one for 270euro in Slovakia), but I donīt know where you are from, if US than ok, DHX2 is cheaper there, but in europe DHX2 with SLS spring is pretty much as expensive as Storia, which is tragicomical all things considered.
    Vivid Coil is a bargain at around 300,- (350,- with spring), considered the Storia including taxes retails for 950,- but it's true a DHX2 with 2 springs would cost almost the same as the Storia!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Never come across it. Got any pics? Marcel would be Guy to ask at GeoMetron for official advice.


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    Hi the_pilot,
    I had a chat with the guys at Nicolai and the bolts attaching the read dropout are 12mm long. I've sourced a set at 10mm so hopefully will solve the issue. Will post before and after once they arrive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguy3001 View Post
    Vivid Coil is a bargain at around 300,- (350,- with spring), considered the Storia including taxes retails for 950,- but it's true a DHX2 with 2 springs would cost almost the same as the Storia!
    well, if itīs bargain depends on how it will suit the frame, I would say in stock setup it wonīt and it will have to be tuned for less HSC at least. Reliability is also less then stellar from what Iīve heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonswhite View Post
    Hi the_pilot,
    I had a chat with the guys at Nicolai and the bolts attaching the read dropout are 12mm long. I've sourced a set at 10mm so hopefully will solve the issue. Will post before and after once they arrive.
    Nicolai/Mojo GeoMetron build/riding/Development Thread-c0tdwfogq5u7l0kawealmw.jpg
    12mm bolts as standard sticking out 1 - 1.5mm

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    Using 10mm bolts - no excess
    I only changed the top 2 as others were not causing any issues.

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    Not rubbing on chain

    Looks all good now. Once my Lyriks are back from being repaired I can get out and make sure.

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    Sounds great!

    Nicolai puts the Van RC in the new G1 Eboxx too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostbiker View Post
    well, if itīs bargain depends on how it will suit the frame, I would say in stock setup it wonīt and it will have to be tuned for less HSC at least. Reliability is also less then stellar from what Iīve heard.
    Flatout Suspension recommended the DHX2 and the Ohlins TTX22.

    Maybe the new Super Deluxe Coil will fit too but from what i heard so far the best choice would be the Most expensive one, the EXT...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguy3001 View Post
    Flatout Suspension recommended the DHX2 and the Ohlins TTX22.

    Maybe the new Super Deluxe Coil will fit too but from what i heard so far the best choice would be the Most expensive one, the EXT...
    EXT is in a league of itīs own really, out of other shocks I would buy something for good price and tunable shimstack (I got x fusion vector hlr for example, so far so good with few mods)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguy3001 View Post
    Can't wait to see more G1's build up the next weeks on Instagram!

    Cornelius, Nicolai's team rider has his one built up too last week and its the first one i saw in black with black decals and looks damn good!

    In the meantime i'm looking for a new shock for racing purposes for my G15, as the Monarch Plus is good but not as good as it could be (especially for my 100kg rider weight).

    DHX2? Vivid Coil? Unfortunately the EXT Storia v3 is too expensive for me, although it would be a dream come true to have one on my bike!
    Hi. Tallguy
    Do remember that Mr Porter, the guy we respect so much and who designed our frames, optimised the linkage for the Fox X2
    I love the Storia on my G1 but in my G16 I really did prefer the x2.
    Neil

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    Proride 591 or 598 fits fine with an XL G15.

    Upride 599 is perfect too and even more stable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    Hi. Tallguy
    Do remember that Mr Porter, the guy we respect so much and who designed our frames, optimised the linkage for the Fox X2
    I love the Storia on my G1 but in my G16 I really did prefer the x2.
    Neil
    X2 would be nice too but with the older ones (i think before 2019) i'm too heavy and over the maximum pressure limit with my 100 kg weight.

    Think the G15 is optimised for the X2 too, cause i think most bikes were build with it in them! Only a few with Monarch Plus like mine or other shocks (DHX2 for example).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostbiker View Post
    EXT is in a league of itīs own really, out of other shocks I would buy something for good price and tunable shimstack (I got x fusion vector hlr for example, so far so good with few mods)
    Considered it's price that's where i think about the Marzocci Bomber CR right now! Especially as the Eboxx got it too it surely is no bad choice and almost half the price of the DHX2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguy3001 View Post
    Considered it's price that's where i think about the Marzocci Bomber CR right now! Especially as the Eboxx got it too it surely is no bad choice and almost half the price of the DHX2.
    well, itīs tuners shock, so with some work done to it it whould be pretty good, if you are from US I would get it tuned by AVY for sure.
    Fox Van Rc and Bomber CR Speed sensitive Damper SSD mods

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostbiker View Post
    well, itīs tuners shock, so with some work done to it it whould be pretty good, if you are from US I would get it tuned by AVY for sure.
    Fox Van Rc and Bomber CR Speed sensitive Damper SSD mods
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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
    Yeeha, this beauty arrived. And oh wow, how burly is that downtube. This is a serious bit of kit.

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    I bought some extra mutators with the frame. I have 3 possible settings. I can run the standard 29er setting, I can run the 29er setting with a longer CS for super fast park work and I can run a mullet set up (29 f/27.5 r).

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    Thank you Geometron for such a great bike. Time to build.
    My friend, you are going to LOVE it.

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    don't think you need to change mutators to change travel, I have swopped between the 2 shock mount positions and, apart from a couple of clicks of damping adjustment, no other changes were needed.
    I was advised that I might consider using my 25 lb heavier shock spring when in LT setting (as you know you get 2 springs with the STORIA shock) .
    Of course, if you were making the chainstays longer for DH / high speed stability that might, for you, go with the 175 rear rather than 162. But that's a choice rather than a compulsory change.
    What I have found useful is to be able to really easily adjust the BB (and head angle of course) using seatstay mutators (just simple block-like spacers) to idealise BB height - tyre diameters differ SO much that can be very useful.

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