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    Chainline looks ok on those pics.
    Have you checked chainlength at full shock compression? Too short of a chain is a mistake i've made in the past that will drag the derailleur in towards the wheel when you get deeper in the travel.

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    Hi buddy, yea I thought chain length so went as long as possible I could get away without slop, but no joy, cheers though

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    That looks funny to me. By any chance are you using a non-boost wheel with spacers/adapters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabage_cat View Post
    Hi buddy, yea I thought chain length so went as long as possible I could get away without slop, but no joy, cheers though
    I also didnt think it looked terrible.

    You could bring it closer to middle with a Non boost chainring but my 83mm B.B.version is similar although 11spd.
    That chain bend isnt unusual. The effect its having doesnt sound right though.




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    Yea Ive got 73mm B.B. on mine buddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabage_cat View Post
    Yea Ive got 73mm B.B. on mine buddy.
    I got that. I mean I have a similar chainline with no issues.

    I expect it to be straight around 8






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    Ah I see, sorry, Ive given up now tbh, Its been apart so many times, I just bit the bullet and seeing Chriss p tomorrow. First time Ive had to visit a shop for help but think Ive got blinded so to speak, a fresh set of eyes. I cant speak highly enough of that kind of support on hand, absolutely spot on👍

    Cheers for trying to help, appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cabage_cat View Post
    Ah I see, sorry, Ive given up now tbh, Its been apart so many times, I just bit the bullet and seeing Chriss p tomorrow. First time Ive had to visit a shop for help but think Ive got blinded so to speak, a fresh set of eyes. I cant speak highly enough of that kind of support on hand, absolutely spot on

    Cheers for trying to help, appreciated.
    Say hi from me. Not caught up in a few weeks.


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    Na bother, will do

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    PSA:

    MRP Ribbon now available in reduced offsets for 650b and 29er forks.

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    Anyone running a bottle cage Mount inside the frame triangle?!

    Got my Ion G15 XL now and beside testing a hip pack with bladder still not found a perfect solution to hydrate.

    Have heard Printcycles does a 3D printed bottle cage mount but they are not answering any emails, so i don't know if they still exist?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguy3001 View Post
    Anyone running a bottle cage Mount inside the frame triangle?!

    Got my Ion G15 XL now and beside testing a hip pack with bladder still not found a perfect solution to hydrate.

    Have heard Printcycles does a 3D printed bottle cage mount but they are not answering any emails, so i don't know if they still exist?!

    I use an SKS Anywhere bottle cage mounted on the underside of the top tube.

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    Anyone running a metric shock in a Geometron/Nicolai? Heard the metric Shocks are far better in reliability and performance and thought of switching the Monarch Plus for a Super Deluxe.

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    Had a spin round the car park at Mojo Rising/Geometron the other day. Tried a G16 in 29er form and instantly realised I've been riding too short bikes for years! Just got to sell all 3 current bikes and then put in an order for one. Not sure if a hybrid or full 29er is the way to go yet as only tried 29er very briefly.

    What rims are people running?

    I'm thinking Stans Arch mk3 or Flow mk3. I currently have Arch mk3s and think they're pretty good but did manage to ding rear in a Bike Park Wales rock garden. I did have low tyre pressures and was stupid with line choice though. (187cm tall and weight 84kg).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallguy3001 View Post
    Anyone running a metric shock in a Geometron/Nicolai? Heard the metric Shocks are far better in reliability and performance and thought of switching the Monarch Plus for a Super Deluxe.
    Wouldn't the eye-to-eye length be wrong though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmt198 View Post
    Had a spin round the car park at Mojo Rising/Geometron the other day. Tried a G16 in 29er form and instantly realised I've been riding too short bikes for years! Just got to sell all 3 current bikes and then put in an order for one. Not sure if a hybrid or full 29er is the way to go yet as only tried 29er very briefly.

    What rims are people running?

    I'm thinking Stans Arch mk3 or Flow mk3. I currently have Arch mk3s and think they're pretty good but did manage to ding rear in a Bike Park Wales rock garden. I did have low tyre pressures and was stupid with line choice though. (187cm tall and weight 84kg).
    I'm using a Flow mk3 for a rear rim and a Derby carbon rim on the front. I got the Flow rim because I wasn't sure if I would really like the hybrid setup. It works pretty well, I don't think I would bother with the Arch rims for weight saving, light weight is not really the point of a G16 anyway.

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    Thanks - i wasn't thinking in terms of weight of bike but in terms of angular momentum and giroscopic stability. A reduced rim weight might improve agility/handling in that sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmt198 View Post
    What rims are people running?

    I'm thinking Stans Arch mk3 or Flow mk3. I currently have Arch mk3s and think they're pretty good but did manage to ding rear in a Bike Park Wales rock garden. I did have low tyre pressures and was stupid with line choice though. (187cm tall and weight 84kg).
    I'm running a We Are One Composites on the rear and an LB carbon I took off the front of another bike. The LBs replaced a set of OG Archs that I smashed on another bike. I wouldn't bother with any Arch rim on a G16, I'd go Flow minimum. Or if sticking with 275 DT EX511

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    I had a similar number in my head, but the stock geo should be based on a 559mm a2c 170mm Fox 36 not 550.

    I think youll find in reality its slightly higher than the stock high setting with the 222 by about 5mm so 345mm ish B.B. and the sag will get close to evening it out so not too high.
    Offset bushes for the win.

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    Enjoyment update for my 27.5 16 Nicolai Geometron:
    Ive been running 8.75x2.75 X2 in low setting. Turns out the Fox I swapped in was 170mm all along, into which I put an Avalanche cartridge which is life-changing. This setup has been phenomenal (normal headset, no offset bushings). I swapped in an 8.5x2.5 shock (still in low) - TERRIBLE. Might be the shock, but I was clipping pedals and dabbing like a madman. I guess even with 165mm cranks one can go too low. So I put it in high - much better. Will be going back to 8.75x2.75 (low) and try some offset bushings (1 or 2) just to see if theres a happy medium.
    Ive been reading this thread again, thinking about hybrid (29 F). What kind of fork travel/offset would I need to make this work? Can I still run 8.75x2.75 shock (with both offset bushings, of course). Will I need to lower stack height/remove spacers?
    Any other advice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by erikkellison View Post
    Enjoyment update for my 27.5 16 Nicolai Geometron:
    Ive been running 8.75x2.75 X2 in low setting. Turns out the Fox I swapped in was 170mm all along, into which I put an Avalanche cartridge which is life-changing. This setup has been phenomenal (normal headset, no offset bushings). I swapped in an 8.5x2.5 shock (still in low) - TERRIBLE. Might be the shock, but I was clipping pedals and dabbing like a madman. I guess even with 165mm cranks one can go too low. So I put it in high - much better. Will be going back to 8.75x2.75 (low) and try some offset bushings (1 or 2) just to see if theres a happy medium.
    Ive been reading this thread again, thinking about hybrid (29 F). What kind of fork travel/offset would I need to make this work? Can I still run 8.75x2.75 shock (with both offset bushings, of course). Will I need to lower stack height/remove spacers?
    Any other advice?
    I'm not sure about whether you can run the 8.75"x2.75" shock on that frame as a hybrid though I would also be interested to know this. (edit-thinking about this I would likely want a longer fork, maybe 40's limited to 180 mm as on some of the bikes earlier in the thread)

    I also have a 2016 frame, set up as a hybrid with 160 mm 36s with 51mm offset. With a 8.5"x2.5" shock in low and no angleset this gives around a 61 deg head angle measured with a sketchy angle finder app.

    It was interesting comparing it to my Dad's 2017 XL frame, also set up as a hybrid but with a 44 mm offset fork (which has around a 60 deg HA). This setup is quite similar, but the steering feels a bit calmer than my bike. It's not enough of a difference for me to be bothering buying a short offset CSU now but I'd probably get a shorter offset if I was looking at a new fork and had the option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erikkellison View Post
    Enjoyment update for my 27.5 16 Nicolai Geometron:
    Ive been running 8.75x2.75 X2 in low setting. Turns out the Fox I swapped in was 170mm all along, into which I put an Avalanche cartridge which is life-changing. This setup has been phenomenal (normal headset, no offset bushings). I swapped in an 8.5x2.5 shock (still in low) - TERRIBLE. Might be the shock, but I was clipping pedals and dabbing like a madman. I guess even with 165mm cranks one can go too low. So I put it in high - much better. Will be going back to 8.75x2.75 (low) and try some offset bushings (1 or 2) just to see if theres a happy medium.
    Ive been reading this thread again, thinking about hybrid (29 F). What kind of fork travel/offset would I need to make this work? Can I still run 8.75x2.75 shock (with both offset bushings, of course). Will I need to lower stack height/remove spacers?
    Any other advice?
    In the low set up which you switched from you could try increasing the progression and the dynamic sag point using volume spacers and tuning the damping to suit. You cant use the same as in high.
    I only run 18-20% sag in that setup, although also with a 180mm fork.


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    Quote Originally Posted by erikkellison View Post
    Enjoyment update for my 27.5 16 Nicolai Geometron:
    Ive been running 8.75x2.75 X2 in low setting. Turns out the Fox I swapped in was 170mm all along, into which I put an Avalanche cartridge which is life-changing. This setup has been phenomenal (normal headset, no offset bushings). I swapped in an 8.5x2.5 shock (still in low) - TERRIBLE. Might be the shock, but I was clipping pedals and dabbing like a madman. I guess even with 165mm cranks one can go too low. So I put it in high - much better. Will be going back to 8.75x2.75 (low) and try some offset bushings (1 or 2) just to see if theres a happy medium.
    Ive been reading this thread again, thinking about hybrid (29 F). What kind of fork travel/offset would I need to make this work? Can I still run 8.75x2.75 shock (with both offset bushings, of course). Will I need to lower stack height/remove spacers?
    Any other advice?
    You can run hybrid, use a 160mm 29 er fork.

    If you have Fox the best option is to swop/get new lowers to 29 lowers and reduce the travel to 160m.
    Thats perfect at 44mm offset.
    I dont know if you can do the same with RS forks.
    Then try one offset bush and should be awesome.


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    Quote Originally Posted by morphosity View Post
    I'm not sure about whether you can run the 8.75"x2.75" shock on that frame as a hybrid though I would also be interested to know this. (edit-thinking about this I would likely want a longer fork, maybe 40's limited to 180 mm as on some of the bikes earlier in the thread)

    I also have a 2016 frame, set up as a hybrid with 160 mm 36s with 51mm offset. With a 8.5"x2.5" shock in low and no angleset this gives around a 61 deg head angle measured with a sketchy angle finder app.

    It was interesting comparing it to my Dad's 2017 XL frame, also set up as a hybrid but with a 44 mm offset fork (which has around a 60 deg HA). This setup is quite similar, but the steering feels a bit calmer than my bike. It's not enough of a difference for me to be bothering buying a short offset CSU now but I'd probably get a shorter offset if I was looking at a new fork and had the option.
    Your Dads bike should be a real 61deg HA and yours a 62 HA. Slight differences based on tyres.

    The 16 (73mm bb?) is a lovely hybrid conversion frame as the angles just fall into place



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    Quote Originally Posted by morphosity View Post
    I'm not sure about whether you can run the 8.75"x2.75" shock on that frame as a hybrid though I would also be interested to know this. (edit-thinking about this I would likely want a longer fork, maybe 40's limited to 180 mm as on some of the bikes earlier in the thread)

    I also have a 2016 frame, set up as a hybrid with 160 mm 36s with 51mm offset. With a 8.5"x2.5" shock in low and no angleset this gives around a 61 deg head angle measured with a sketchy angle finder app.

    It was interesting comparing it to my Dad's 2017 XL frame, also set up as a hybrid but with a 44 mm offset fork (which has around a 60 deg HA). This setup is quite similar, but the steering feels a bit calmer than my bike. It's not enough of a difference for me to be bothering buying a short offset CSU now but I'd probably get a shorter offset if I was looking at a new fork and had the option.
    Let me get this straight. Youre saying that your bike with a 29 front wheel (slower steering) and slacker HTA (also slower/more stable) is too twitchy, and youd reduce offset to make it even slower-steering if you could do-over?
    I ask because I think my bike is already pretty slow-steering/stable (though I have a 40mm stem), and I have a hard time thinking Id like it if it were even slower. When racing, I lose the most time in corners, not the plow-tastic straights. Can you rail sharper, banked corners ok on that setup? Have you tried other setups? How tall are you, what size, and what kind of spacer/stem/bar rise setup do you have?


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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    In the low set up which you switched from you could try increasing the progression and the dynamic sag point using volume spacers and tuning the damping to suit. You cant use the same as in high.
    I only run 18-20% sag in that setup, although also with a 180mm fork.


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    Are you referring to me running 8.75 or 8.5 shock? I would rather run more sag on the 8.75 than less sag on the 8.5.
    Which length shock are you running with your 180? Any other mods to your hybrid?
    Can I run 170 with 8.75?
    Maybe itd be easier if you can tell me what static BB height should be? And how to measure dynamic BB (I have ShockWiz if that helps)? Seems like BB height is the big predictor of is it set up correctly?


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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Your Dads bike should be a real 61deg HA and yours a 62 HA. Slight differences based on tyres.

    The 16 (73mm bb?) is a lovely hybrid conversion frame as the angles just fall into place

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    Thanks, I really like the bike, pretty sure it is from the last run of frames before they went to the 83mm bb. Having spent a bit of time riding both, I've pretty much decided I like the setup I have on it at the moment enough not to want to change it too much.


    Quote Originally Posted by erikkellison View Post
    Let me get this straight. Youre saying that your bike with a 29 front wheel (slower steering) and slacker HTA (also slower/more stable) is too twitchy, and youd reduce offset to make it even slower-steering if you could do-over?
    I ask because I think my bike is already pretty slow-steering/stable (though I have a 40mm stem), and I have a hard time thinking Id like it if it were even slower. When racing, I lose the most time in corners, not the plow-tastic straights. Can you rail sharper, banked corners ok on that setup? Have you tried other setups? How tall are you, what size, and what kind of spacer/stem/bar rise setup do you have?


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    Not exactly, I was trying not to use words like twitchy, as I don't think it's possible to set one of these bikes up to be twitchy. I would almost say the shorter offset fork is a bit more self-correcting (to borrow a line from the review of the Transition Sentinel on pinkbike) but I've found the difference to be fairly subtle and easy to adapt to.

    I'm 182 cm tall, the bike is a Longest, set up with a 35mm stem, 800mm wide bars with 30mm rise and 15mm of spacers. From memory I had 750mm wide bars and fewer spacers on it when it was built up first but this didn't feel quite right so I changed around over the first few rides until it did. Other than that I haven't tried other setups on it, mainly because I don't want to lose the rollover of the bigger front wheel.

    It's the best cornering bike I've had, no problems with reasonably tight berms/banked corners that required a bit more thought on my last bike.

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    Good feeback, thanks. I hear good things about DT EX511 and EX471 rims. Maybe they are a better choice for a Hybrid setup.

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    If anyone is interested Ive got a Fox Van RC 222x70 for sale if anyone is interested. I just bought this because my other shock blew up just days before a month long trip in Europe. I only rode it for a month. Willing to sell for $175OBO buyer pays shipping. Good way to try a long shock on your Geometrons. PM me
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    Just a quick question, how many spacers are needed on each side for bb installation on a G16 - is it the usual for an 83mm bb shell of 2 driveside and 1 non-driveside?

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    Hi guys just found this thread on google...

    Currently riding a 2016 g16 in longest (lrg) but looking to upgrade to the new boost model.

    I demo one (longest) at the Ard'rock wkend just gone. After being back a couple of days now I think it felt a little bigger/felt more stretched out on the demo one although it being the same size?

    I'm 5ft 10" (177cm) with a 33" inside leg & weigh 94kg, on the geometron page it has me between the longer (med) & longest (lrg) i'm after some advice from someone of similar size/weight. Ill be purchasing it as a 27.5 but eventually buy some 29er lowers to go hybrid.

    Kind regards,

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    I'm 5' 9" with a 31" i/s leg and I sized up both the longer and the longest. Both felt fine to ride but I ended up going with the longer because the standover was a bit tight on the longest. Length-wise the longer felt fine though.

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    5'11" and 33" i/s leg on 2016 longest with longer rear swing arm and 29" front (thanks Pilot). Had a longer (medium) for over a year from the original batch but after spending time on a longer it felt short and cramped, relatively speaking, going back to the medium.
    Unless you had a particular need to change to the latest boost version i would stick with the frame you had and use any money to purchase a 29 lower, the angles work a lot better on the older frame for hybrid with no need to mess with offset bushes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noskills View Post
    5'11" and 33" i/s leg on 2016 longest with longer rear swing arm and 29" front (thanks Pilot). Had a longer (medium) for over a year from the original batch but after spending time on a longer it felt short and cramped, relatively speaking, going back to the medium.
    Unless you had a particular need to change to the latest boost version i would stick with the frame you had and use any money to purchase a 29 lower, the angles work a lot better on the older frame for hybrid with no need to mess with offset bushes.

    Thanks for the reply Gents...

    Was only upgrading to the newer frame as mine is getting very dogeared now, also finding it very difficult to get a set of non boost 29er lowers, if anyone could be of help, a link if possible, i'd really appreciate that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillary_Briss View Post
    Thanks for the reply Gents...

    Was only upgrading to the newer frame as mine is getting very dogeared now, also finding it very difficult to get a set of non boost 29er lowers, if anyone could be of help, a link if possible, i'd really appreciate that?
    As NoSkills says really.

    But If newer frame Id put you on a Longest.
    If its a black older frame Halfords matt black is a perfect match and brings them up like new.

    Im not sure you can get non boost 29er lowers anymore.



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    Thanks Chainline I received a reply from silverfish this morning saying the same.

    So if I purchased a set of boost 160mm would I have to buy a set of 27.5 & source 29er lowers or would just a set of 160mm 29er be ok?

    Thanks,

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    Hi, everybody I just posted my frame up for sale. If you know anyone interested in a custom frame please let me know Ill try to give them the best deal I can. I bought another MOJO I'm just building something new.

    https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2423368/

    2018 Nicolai/MOJO custom S/M G15 29" 2 shocks - MTBR Classifieds

    I'll post up on MTBR for sale too

    If anyone is looking for a Fork or shock take a look at my ad.

    Ill post up my new bike when its build, frame arrives on Wednesday
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegromit View Post
    Hi, everybody I just posted my frame up for sale. If you know anyone interested in a custom frame please let me know Ill try to give them the best deal I can. I bought another MOJO I'm just building something new.

    https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2423368/

    2018 Nicolai/MOJO custom S/M G15 29" 2 shocks - MTBR Classifieds

    I'll post up on MTBR for sale too

    If anyone is looking for a Fork or shock take a look at my ad.

    Ill post up my new bike when its build, frame arrives on Wednesday
    That's stunning, love the black stanchion on orange lowers 😊👌

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillary_Briss View Post
    That's stunning, love the black stanchion on orange lowers 😊👌
    Thanks
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    I have recently purchased a geometron g16 would like to pass on my thoughts on dealing with them.
    A bit about myself.
    First of all, I'm 6'7" which means ive been riding bikes that are to small for me all my life.
    Having read a few interviews with Chris porter in which he seemed to make a lot of sense regarding bike setup the way bike geometries could be pushed further, I decided to give them a call.
    Over the course of many phone calls/emails, discussing what I wanted, I ordered a G16 29r in XXL.
    Bare in mind I went purely on there advice with no test ride.
    There was a delay in delivery, which was not geometrons fault but due to issues at the nicolai factory.
    However, they offered offered to loan me a bike until mine arrived (How many companies would do that).
    I arranged to pick the bike up approx 2 weeks ago and drove to there HQ to have it tuned.
    Chris and Paul were superb. Very friendly and down to earth.
    They talked me through the bike and the reason for it being setup the way it is
    Several springs were tried to find the correct setup for my weight.
    They also gave lots of really valuable advice on what to expect when riding it, which really made a lot of sense when I hit the trails.
    I went to ride it at bike park wales for the first time later that day. After 1-2 runs I was convinced I'd made the right choice and that the guys at geometron know how to build bikes.
    The bike gives so much confidence. It feels amazingly stable when railing berms and feels like it will plough through anything. The suspension feels so smooth and plush, it just sucks up drops and rock gardens.
    I've also since tested it on some longer rides with lots of climbing. It might not be an xc machine but it climbs much better than I expected.

    I should mention cost. I paid just short of 6k.
    Yes, it's a lot of money.
    However, when you look around at all the so called carbon 'superbikes' going for this price or more, and take into account geometrons personalised service and custom tuning, its actually a bargain (if 6k can be called a bargain &#128513

    So, I really cant recommend these guys highly enough, and they are a UK company.add them to your shortlist.

    Lesjohn

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    Quote Originally Posted by lesburn View Post
    I have recently purchased a geometron g16 would like to pass on my thoughts on dealing with them.
    A bit about myself.
    First of all, I'm 6'7" which means ive been riding bikes that are to small for me all my life.
    Having read a few interviews with Chris porter in which he seemed to make a lot of sense regarding bike setup the way bike geometries could be pushed further, I decided to give them a call.
    Over the course of many phone calls/emails, discussing what I wanted, I ordered a G16 29r in XXL.
    Bare in mind I went purely on there advice with no test ride.
    There was a delay in delivery, which was not geometrons fault but due to issues at the nicolai factory.
    However, they offered offered to loan me a bike until mine arrived (How many companies would do that).
    I arranged to pick the bike up approx 2 weeks ago and drove to there HQ to have it tuned.
    Chris and Paul were superb. Very friendly and down to earth.
    They talked me through the bike and the reason for it being setup the way it is
    Several springs were tried to find the correct setup for my weight.
    They also gave lots of really valuable advice on what to expect when riding it, which really made a lot of sense when I hit the trails.
    I went to ride it at bike park wales for the first time later that day. After 1-2 runs I was convinced I'd made the right choice and that the guys at geometron know how to build bikes.
    The bike gives so much confidence. It feels amazingly stable when railing berms and feels like it will plough through anything. The suspension feels so smooth and plush, it just sucks up drops and rock gardens.
    I've also since tested it on some longer rides with lots of climbing. It might not be an xc machine but it climbs much better than I expected.

    I should mention cost. I paid just short of 6k.
    Yes, it's a lot of money.
    However, when you look around at all the so called carbon 'superbikes' going for this price or more, and take into account geometrons personalised service and custom tuning, its actually a bargain (if 6k can be called a bargain )

    So, I really cant recommend these guys highly enough, and they are a UK company.add them to your shortlist.

    Lesjohn
    Super happy you feel this way. Im sure youll only like it more over time.

    If you do decide to be more XC and do Longer rides you can always drop in an air shock at the rear for those rides and shed a few hundred grams/firm up the pedalling.
    Of course its never going to be light but its tough.


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    The reason I went ext storia is because at my weight, 280lbs, an airshock wouldn't cut it. Ha.
    I may get some lighter xc wheels n tyres to swap between though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lesburn View Post
    The reason I went ext storia is because at my weight, 280lbs, an airshock wouldn't cut it. Ha.
    I may get some lighter xc wheels n tyres to swap between though.
    Storia is lovely, at your weight the difference in shock weight is, as you imply, irrelevant wheels would make a difference though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lesburn View Post
    I have recently purchased a geometron g16 would like to pass on my thoughts on dealing with them.
    A bit about myself.
    First of all, I'm 6'7" which means ive been riding bikes that are to small for me all my life.
    Having read a few interviews with Chris porter in which he seemed to make a lot of sense regarding bike setup the way bike geometries could be pushed further, I decided to give them a call.
    Over the course of many phone calls/emails, discussing what I wanted, I ordered a G16 29r in XXL.
    Bare in mind I went purely on there advice with no test ride.
    There was a delay in delivery, which was not geometrons fault but due to issues at the nicolai factory.
    However, they offered offered to loan me a bike until mine arrived (How many companies would do that).
    I arranged to pick the bike up approx 2 weeks ago and drove to there HQ to have it tuned.
    Chris and Paul were superb. Very friendly and down to earth.
    They talked me through the bike and the reason for it being setup the way it is
    Several springs were tried to find the correct setup for my weight.
    They also gave lots of really valuable advice on what to expect when riding it, which really made a lot of sense when I hit the trails.
    I went to ride it at bike park wales for the first time later that day. After 1-2 runs I was convinced I'd made the right choice and that the guys at geometron know how to build bikes.
    The bike gives so much confidence. It feels amazingly stable when railing berms and feels like it will plough through anything. The suspension feels so smooth and plush, it just sucks up drops and rock gardens.
    I've also since tested it on some longer rides with lots of climbing. It might not be an xc machine but it climbs much better than I expected.

    I should mention cost. I paid just short of 6k.
    Yes, it's a lot of money.
    However, when you look around at all the so called carbon 'superbikes' going for this price or more, and take into account geometrons personalised service and custom tuning, its actually a bargain (if 6k can be called a bargain &#128513

    So, I really cant recommend these guys highly enough, and they are a UK company.add them to your shortlist.

    Lesjohn
    Brave decision to lay out 6k without a test ride! having said that I bl00dy love my G13 and sounds like you're very pleased with your new bike - any chance of any pictures?

    I too had great service from Paul/Chris, little did I realise at the time but it was during the Mojo/Fox split which must've been hugely stressful for them but they were still v helpful, nothing too much trouble.
    It seems they place great value on the service they provide to the point that if they grew the company through more demos/shows/reviews etc the customer service would suffer, just my thoughts though

    A G16 29er sounds the immense, out of curiosity did you do anything to lower BB height?

    The EXT shocks seems to be the ones to have at the moment, saw a couple at BPW in July, interested as to how it would do for general trail riding etc? weight penalty could be offset by new wheels but it's still almost a grand!

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    Any reason to not run a 200x57 shock on a G13?
    With offset bushings it should be only around 5mm longer actual eye-to-eye. The B.B. height in Low is a bit too low anyway and with a -2 angleset fitted its still going to be super slack.
    Just opens up more possibilities with shock choice.

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    Morning everybody.....well i've just bitten the bullet and purchased a Longest G16 frame..unfortunately not new but as near as damn it (July 17)..i was just curious as to any "Do's and Don'ts" for building it ....?
    It's going to be Fox 160 all round mainly because that's all i've got...infact apart from a couple of bits its going to be like this one
    https://nsmb.com/articles/personal-r...16-bike-check/

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    Quote Originally Posted by squid69 View Post
    Morning everybody.....well i've just bitten the bullet and purchased a Longest G16 frame..unfortunately not new but as near as damn it (July 17)..i was just curious as to any "Do's and Don'ts" for building it ....?
    It's going to be Fox 160 all round mainly because that's all i've got...infact apart from a couple of bits its going to be like this one
    https://nsmb.com/articles/personal-r...16-bike-check/
    Congratulations on your purchase!! You'll love it!
    AJ Barlas bike looks like an excellent starting point, you could always think about running 29" wheels or even 29" front/27.5" rear
    I don't worry too much about weight so no need to add carbon bling (unless you have budget), but might want to think about lighter rims to add extra zip out of corners?
    That's my experience from a G13 anyway, others might want to comment on specifics of a G16

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    Cheers bathbill....the carbon i already have in the shape of Race Face Sixc cranks and Renthal bars with a 35mm renthal stem,the rims are not an issue at the moment but i'd love to get some more Sixth Element carbon ones as i have them on my Kingdom X2 UK Spec hardtail and can't fault them,but they are not priority at the moment,i've got 11 speed X01 cassette and mech with Hope E3 braking in Orange and a Fox transfer dropper 150mm (Kashima) so i'm thinking it'll look pretty damn nice but not to bling.....

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    Congrats on a great bike!
    Sounds like you got a bunch of good parts for it. I've run my G16 29er with both Hope Enduro wheels and Derby carbon rims on Hope, and i do find the bike better with the stiffer carbon wheels (on the other hand my hardtail works better with the alu wheels). The weight difference is not that great so i think it is down to the stiffness giving a different ride quality.
    Other than that i found that i needed to rotate the bar more forward than i have done on other bikes in order to get a balanced position on the G16.

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    Cheers for the info Olaal from what I've read on the Singletrack forum lots of little tweeks will have to be thought about, aparantly it turned up earlier today so the wait is over(well apart from the build time..!

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    Nice! Early delivery is fun!
    Yeah, there are some tweaks to be done for sure. The different position on the bike influences how you set up suspension as well to get a balanced bike. But it really is nothing too crazy, more than anything the bike just feels so comfortable

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    My what a big box it comes in......!

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    I seem to have read somewhere about the rear brake mount that you have to use a 180 for a 203 rotor..? Or am i imaging this..?

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    I think this might be that the frame accepts rear brake caliper mounted (post mount) to frame for 180mm rotor, if you want to run a 203mm rotor you just need an adapter.
    Nothing particular unusual about this though as most frame/forks are set up a similar way

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    Thats fine i only want to run a 180mm on the rear...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bathbill View Post
    I think this might be that the frame accepts rear brake caliper mounted (post mount) to frame for 180mm rotor, if you want to run a 203mm rotor you just need an adapter.
    Nothing particular unusual about this though as most frame/forks are set up a similar way
    Yep. This. 183mm use a small washer though often doesnt need it.


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    Next question... Who runs a chain guide/bash guard.... And if so what...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by squid69 View Post
    Next question... Who runs a chain guide/bash guard.... And if so what...?
    One up and absolute black make durable and light weight bash /guide setups. Both are reasonably priced and compatible.

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    What eye to eye and stroke shock are needed from EXT Storia shock (metric info preferred)? It will go on a G16 27.5 155mm setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicolai22 View Post
    What eye to eye and stroke shock are needed from EXT Storia shock (metric info preferred)? It will go on a G16 27.5 155mm setting.
    Think its 215mm x 64mm sorry not metric

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    Quote Originally Posted by squid69 View Post
    Next question... Who runs a chain guide/bash guard.... And if so what...?
    I use a Blackspire TrailX ISCG 05 guide on my G16

    G16 uses imperial sizing shocks. 8.5x2.5=155mm travel mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    I use a Blackspire TrailX ISCG 05 guide on my G16

    G16 uses imperial sizing shocks. 8.5x2.5=155mm travel mode.
    Just got one from Blackspire for 46 posted.... Not to bad i didn't think

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    Hi,
    could anyone tell me which RockShox Maxle rear axle fits the G16 boost rear? 12x148 axle is available in 2 lengths, 180mm and 188mm, which one should I order?



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    I've been looking to buy one also - as far as I know, the 188mm version is for Split Pivot frames (Devinci, etc), while the standard boost ones are 180mm.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sram-Full-F...maxle+rear+188

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sram-unisex...maxle+rear+180

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    Quote Originally Posted by honourablegeorge View Post
    I've been looking to buy one also - as far as I know, the 188mm version is for Split Pivot frames (Devinci, etc), while the standard boost ones are 180mm.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sram-Full-F...maxle+rear+188

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sram-unisex...maxle+rear+180
    OK, didn't know they have their own standard.
    Thank you for that information!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPJonny View Post
    OK, didn't know they have their own standard.
    Thank you for that information!

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    Quote Originally Posted by squid69 View Post
    Just got one from Blackspire for 46 posted.... Not to bad i didn't think
    I have the Funn top guide but still losing the chain occasionally (and it's a pain in the a$$ to get back on!), it could of course be the way I fitted it but thinking maybe a top guide with bash and/or lower guide might be the way to go...any thoughts experience of this? drag issues with lower roller?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bathbill View Post
    Why is a Maxle considered a better option than the Nicolai bolt-thru axle? 30 for a bolt seems excessive!

    The Nicolai Axle is ~28 Euro plus post, so more or less the smae price. The Maxle Stealth is lighter, the Maxle with QR might be convenient if you take your wheel off a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squid69 View Post
    Just got one from Blackspire for 46 posted.... Not to bad i didn't think
    I'm running the TrailX with a BS SnaggleTooth 32t Direct Mount ring

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    Blue and orange hybrid . Best bike i ever had. Goats the climbs and destroys the descents . Can handle bike parks and all day epics . Really pleased
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    Before I set out on mone for the first time i was wondering if the suspension set up differs in any way from "normal bikes" my 160mm 36's and X2 were set up for my Alpine 160..... If so could someone give me some ball park figures for my 15st 7lb riding bulk..?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rider jim View Post
    Blue and orange hybrid . Best bike i ever had. Goats the climbs and destroys the descents . Can handle bike parks and all day epics . Really pleased
    Excellent looking ride. I just ordered a 275 rear wheel and tyre to try hybrid. Might be switching to a Hope crankset as well. Canfield Bros set is giving myself grief.

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    Love the hybrid setup. It just feels right when you ride it. Had a hope crankset on her before , heard good things about them and looked the tits but mine creaked a lot no matter how I tried to stop it. Thats a raceface atlas set on her now and they are silent and been a fit and forget item.

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    I was re-reading Greg Minnaars PB interview on geo where he said he runs a shorter stem length than fork offset (or this is what Honda suggested).

    I was wondering what offsets and stem lengths you guys (and gals) are running for 29 forks.

    I'm currently on 46 offset with 50 stem but want to try a shorter stem but not sure if I go 40 or 31.8mm.

    Thanks in advance,

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    The GeoMetron/ Geolution concept is generally based around a short stem (think under 40mm), Hope do a 35mm stem which a lot of riders use

    I think the 31.8mm measurement you refer to is the handlebar clamp size rather than stem length, 31.8mm is a common standard but more recently a fatter 35mm clamp has emerged

    As for offset, I have the standard 51mm offset on my 29" Fox 34's, but seems like 90% of new 29er bikes are speccing reduced offsets, I'd give it a try too if I had the cash

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    Bill,

    Sorry I meant 30mm. I was looking at a Chromag Ranger which comes in 30 and 40mm.

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    Ah yes ok, I'd vote go with 30mm

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    I have 35mm Hope stem on my G16 29er with 44mm offset. Works like a charm I don't really see any point in going for something longer.

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    He's probalby talking about a Renthal apex, which comes in a 31mm length. Syntace (Megaforce 2) do a 30mm stem - that's basically as short as you can go, there's only that much space before bar touches steerer(for 31.8 diameter bars).

    I use the Syntace on my G16, the Hope 35mm on my G13. Syntace is a lovely thing, rated for 800mm bars, 10 year warranty, Ti bolts, 106g

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    Taking things to extremes the Pancenti P-dent is a bar/stem combo which has a notch in the bar which equates to a 25mm stem! Probably be too quick even for a Geometron!

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    Just bought a EXT storia direct and have topout issue. 216x63 but it looks like it's de-stroked with plastic spacers. I'm on a XL frame and believe it may be different valving from Paul and Chris. Anyone with the same issue?

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    Can you elaborate on the top out? I just got a new Geometron G16 and maybe it's not an issue - lifting the bike off the ground there is a small clunk. I was going to email them and ask but suspect it's normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmt198 View Post
    Can you elaborate on the top out? I just got a new Geometron G16 and maybe it's not an issue - lifting the bike off the ground there is a small clunk. I was going to email them and ask but suspect it's normal.
    The clunk is at topout when you compress the bike by the frame and lift off quickly. I also notice it when I hop over things or am in the chunder. I have zero preload, the spring perch is tight and my rebound is 3 clicks from closed. I want to know if that's normal as well? Did Chris re-tune the shock for your bike? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicolai22 View Post
    The clunk is at topout when you compress the bike by the frame and lift off quickly. I also notice it when I hop over things or am in the chunder. I have zero preload, the spring perch is tight and my rebound is 3 clicks from closed. I want to know if that's normal as well? Did Chris re-tune the shock for your bike? Thanks
    I'll email them and ask - i did give my weight prior to picking the bike up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicolai22 View Post
    The clunk is at topout when you compress the bike by the frame and lift off quickly. I also notice it when I hop over things or am in the chunder. I have zero preload, the spring perch is tight and my rebound is 3 clicks from closed. I want to know if that's normal as well? Did Chris re-tune the shock for your bike? Thanks
    Not a definite answer but Stock valving from EXT is/can be noisy with a titanium ball and spring assembly as a rebound check valve that sounds exactly like the shock is topping top out as its metallic in nature.you can hear and feel it.
    GeoMetron bikes modify the set up to stop it.

    Or the shock could be cavitated and need a bleed.


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    How do you rate the EXT, Pilot? I'm curious about it, but having said that, my X2 has been so good and so trouble free that I'd struggle to justify a change

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    Quote Originally Posted by honourablegeorge View Post
    How do you rate the EXT, Pilot? I'm curious about it, but having said that, my X2 has been so good and so trouble free that I'd struggle to justify a change
    EXT performance is unlike all other production shocks I've ridden. The cost is substantial, and the weight is noticeable but the shock is incredible for a progressive bike design. FX2 is adjustable and a good performing product but it does have high stiction values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honourablegeorge View Post
    How do you rate the EXT, Pilot? I'm curious about it, but having said that, my X2 has been so good and so trouble free that I'd struggle to justify a change
    Not used one yet. I was waiting for the damping mods to work with lighter riders and GeoMetron specific setup.
    All there now but I havent got to sorting yet. Still on my X2s.

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    Has anyone got a Rockguardz carbon frame protector on their matte/anodised black G16 and if so does it scratch the frame badly when taking it off to clean crap out of RockGuardz.?
    And if so how do you rectify it..?
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    Got one on mine & never had a problem with it scratching the finish.

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    I'm looking at giving the G16 a try. I'm wondering what the difference currently is between the Mojo and Nicolai versions? I know there were some in the past but it looks like the geo is exactly the same now? Mojo just sends you to Nicolai's page when you click on full geo specs. Can you run 29" wheels in the Nicolai frame?

    I'm 5'8" and thinking of the longer frame. Figure if I'm gonna do this new geo thing I might as well go all the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krylon1892 View Post
    I'm looking at giving the G16 a try. I'm wondering what the difference currently is between the Mojo and Nicolai versions? I know there were some in the past but it looks like the geo is exactly the same now? Mojo just sends you to Nicolai's page when you click on full geo specs. Can you run 29" wheels in the Nicolai frame?

    I'm 5'8" and thinking of the longer frame. Figure if I'm gonna do this new geo thing I might as well go all the way.
    From memory, the current Mojo and Nicolai frames have very similar geometry, but the Mojo version has an 83 mm BB shell and probably a different lower swingarm. While I understand you can run 29" wheels in the current Mojo frame I don't know about the Nicolai version.

    No doubt Chainline will be along shortly with more information. Otherwise I think there are more details earlier in the thread.

    They are a great bike, I've had mine for about two years and don't have any real interest in getting anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krylon1892 View Post
    I'm looking at giving the G16 a try. I'm wondering what the difference currently is between the Mojo and Nicolai versions? I know there were some in the past but it looks like the geo is exactly the same now? Mojo just sends you to Nicolai's page when you click on full geo specs. Can you run 29" wheels in the Nicolai frame?

    I'm 5'8" and thinking of the longer frame. Figure if I'm gonna do this new geo thing I might as well go all the way.
    Hello and welcome,

    The Mojo GeoMetron and Nicolai frames are now the same in Geometry.

    Yes you can run 29 in both frames, in fact you always could in that regard, you just had a tad more width clearance before on a GeoMetron at the rear.

    Longer will be spot on for you in size.

    If you can get a test ride Id strongly suggest that. You do need to ride it slightly differently to get the best out of it and not everyone wants that or likes it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morphosity View Post
    From memory, the current Mojo and Nicolai frames have very similar geometry, but the Mojo version has an 83 mm BB shell and probably a different lower swingarm. While I understand you can run 29" wheels in the current Mojo frame I don't know about the Nicolai version.

    No doubt Chainline will be along shortly with more information. Otherwise I think there are more details earlier in the thread.

    They are a great bike, I've had mine for about two years and don't have any real interest in getting anything else.
    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Hello and welcome,

    The Mojo GeoMetron and Nicolai frames are now the same in Geometry.

    Yes you can run 29 in both frames, in fact you always could in that regard, you just had a tad more width clearance before on a GeoMetron at the rear.

    Longer will be spot on for you in size.

    If you can get a test ride Id strongly suggest that. You do need to ride it slightly differently to get the best out of it and not everyone wants that or likes it.

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    Thank you both!

    I ended up talking to Paul at Mojo and after a bit of deciding I have a frame on the way. I've only ever seen one out here in western Washington so I think a test ride is out, I did stay relatively conservative though and went for a long frame.

    Now I'm sorting out what shock. I've been on coils for a while now but as I understand it they are designed around air so I'm thinking I'll give an X2 a try. and since I'm disassembling both a Dh and Enduro bike to build this I'll have both a 36 and a 40 to try out.

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    Hey folks - need some help - I have a Mojo G16 frame on the way and i'm stuck in a quandary about the wheel size i want to go with. I've been riding a 29r for the last year and have really come to love it, but i know that most of the G16s are built with 27.5 or hybrid wheel sizes.

    I'm 180cm and waiting on a Longest. By the time all is said and done, I'll only be able to afford 1 fork and 1 wheelset - and i'm on a fairly tight budget/limited choices for that. The terrain where I am is generally pretty chunky (and that's what I love) and I've loved the rollover of the 29r wheels in general since getting on them. Riding a Slash 9.8 currently.

    I know CP was generally against 29rs (initially) - any advice/anecdotes/cautions? Is the G16 in it's truest form in 27.5 and everything else a dilution? Have you ridden your G16 with 29s and gone back to 27.5? Did you have 29" wheeled bike before and miss the wheelsize when you got on your Mojo?

    Ugh I'm so excited and nervous all at the same time. Finally getting my hands on my 'what if..." frame. Hope i don't turn a unicorn into a horse with an icecream cone on it's head.
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    I can only really answer this question properly but can maybe suggest what I think about some of your others:

    Quote Originally Posted by nouseforaname View Post
    Did you have 29" wheeled bike before and miss the wheelsize when you got on your Mojo?
    I've had 29" wheeled bikes since 2009 because I preferred the rollover etc that they have. I got a G16 at the end of 2016 and set it up as a hybrid because after thinking about it and having a few discussions on here, I thought that this was probably a good way to go - it would keep most of the rollover advantages a 29er has because the back wheel is a lot less likely to get hung up on obstacles than the front. Also, in theory it is supposed to turn in a bit more easily than a full 29er.

    The short answer is that I haven't wanted to change either wheel in two years of riding the bike. It still rolls pretty well for a 160 mm travel bike, I don't think it is noticeably slower rolling on flatter/rolling/uphill trails than similar travel 29ers that I've ridden. Obviously, that's not really the point of a G16 - I'd say it is the best handling bike downhill that I've ever had, especially on steep technical tracks. It is so stable in mid to high speed corners. As I said a few posts ago I've had the bike a while now and have no real interest in getting anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nouseforaname View Post
    Hey folks - need some help - I have a Mojo G16 frame on the way and i'm stuck in a quandary about the wheel size i want to go with. I've been riding a 29r for the last year and have really come to love it, but i know that most of the G16s are built with 27.5 or hybrid wheel sizes.

    I'm 180cm and waiting on a Longest. By the time all is said and done, I'll only be able to afford 1 fork and 1 wheelset - and i'm on a fairly tight budget/limited choices for that. The terrain where I am is generally pretty chunky (and that's what I love) and I've loved the rollover of the 29r wheels in general since getting on them. Riding a Slash 9.8 currently.

    I know CP was generally against 29rs (initially) - any advice/anecdotes/cautions? Is the G16 in it's truest form in 27.5 and everything else a dilution? Have you ridden your G16 with 29s and gone back to 27.5? Did you have 29" wheeled bike before and miss the wheelsize when you got on your Mojo?

    Ugh I'm so excited and nervous all at the same time. Finally getting my hands on my 'what if..." frame. Hope i don't turn a unicorn into a horse with an icecream cone on it's head.
    I have also had a number of a both wheelsizes and tried them al regularly on the G16.

    CP was a bit anti 29 when we first met but now he likes it and has been riding just 29 for a little while (although he is always testing, always looking at the clock and a heavy and strong rise in terms of manhandling the bike)
    His current 29 setup which he likes I think would be annoying for many on conditions beyond where he rides with a 325mm bb height.

    Anyway. I have both sets of wheels and use both but mostly hybrid which I like for the balance as described Id agree with Morphosity.

    For very pedally Longer rides I think the 29 is a little easier but its very much a 1st world problem, I just switch out the rear wheel.

    In this way you can always easily go back to 29 or vice versa just swopping out the back wheel as and when funds or desire strikes.

    Occasionally I fancy trying 27.5 again at the front for the faster front end response and super easy transitions but I am quite a soft rider preferring the bike to do what I want by thought process rather than muscle which is why I loved the old Honda Fireblade and Kwak Ninja on a 16 front

    The G16 is definitely not a dilution in forms other than full 27.5.
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    Hey guys, not sure if this is allowed, but I'm selling my G13 as I've just taken delivery of a custom size G15. Thought there might be someone on here who was interested. It's in Whistler, but I can send it worldwide for a good price, through work.

    https://m.pinkbike.com/buysell/2477397/

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    I was advised to go DT 511 for 29er, the Stan's Flow rims are a bit light for 29 the (very experienced) wheel builder said. Mines a 27/29 with a Lyric. love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    I was advised to go DT 511 for 29er, the Stan's Flow rims are a bit light for 29 the (very experienced) wheel builder said. Mines a 27/29 with a Lyric. love it
    Where ironically Chris often uses a Crest without issue and he rides hard!


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    Yeah, its a nice idea but apparently super super stiff to the point of being too stiff - uncomfortable.

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    Hia, on "our frame" stick with the X2, its a beauty.

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    I'd definitely buy from the guys at Mojo Rising, they really do care - their service is amazing, second to none in the business. It's like owning a Rolls Royce

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    My vote is for G16 with 29 front and 27.5 rear.
    Same as Mr Porter and the Pilot ride.
    I have recently switched to that setup after 3 years on a G16 with 27.5/27.5. Lyric upfront now (42 offset 160 travel). The 29 fork and wheel raises the front end by maybe 20mm, slackening the head a touch (maybe 1.2 degrees) and raising the BB just enough to get it to steer in right on that wagon wheel.
    One ride on a fast steep rough track convinced me, it just steers better. and of course it t rolls over beautifully as well. 29/29 would obviously roll over even better but MAY be a wide/fast track only beast.
    What makes it even more adaptable is If I want to ride local XC singletrack and its real tight I CAN put in a 650 front wheel, which returns me excatly to standard G16 geometry. (but with 160 travel which is fine for those tracks).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudfish801 View Post
    Krylon
    I'd definitely buy from the guys at Mojo Rising, they really do care - their service is amazing, second to none in the business. It's like owning a Rolls Royce
    Nicolai/Mojo GeoMetron build/riding/Development Thread-img_3220.jpg

    Thanks for the advice. As you can see, I went for it! You are right about the Mojo staff. Got a hold of them and the were super helpful and had exactly what I wanted in stock. Gave me a really good rundown on suspension baselines as well. Got it built up last night and hit the mountains today. Was dead tired by the time I got the suspension halfway dialed in but I could see sparks of what a speed and cornering machine it can be. Looking forward to racing enduro and downhill on it next year.

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    I would definitely go for the hybrid on the G16 if you're replacing a Slash. I've had a lot of 29ers and I ran the original Geometron as 27.5 both ends for a couple of years, the hybrid really feels like the best of both.

    I have a G13 that I really like for trail centres and easy pedalling but the hybrid set-up is far nicer to ride on anything downhill.

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    https://singletrackworld.com/2018/12...-design-limit/

    An interesting read, would like to see what his idea of a perfect fork would end up being and the associated cost and weight!

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    Have you lot seen the Nicolai G1 that's just been announced?

    https://www.mbr.co.uk/news/bike_news/nicolai-g1-382889
    https://en.nicolai-bicycles.com/frames/g1/

    Looks like the culmination of thinking & testing on the Mojo G16 GeoMetron - what a bike! Adjustable travel & geometry as well as 27.5" & 29" wheelsizes

    Interested that Nicolai will supply with EXT shock and also photos seem to show the upside down Intend forks

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    Quote Originally Posted by bathbill View Post
    Have you lot seen the Nicolai G1 that's just been announced?

    https://www.mbr.co.uk/news/bike_news/nicolai-g1-382889
    https://en.nicolai-bicycles.com/frames/g1/

    Looks like the culmination of thinking & testing on the Mojo G16 GeoMetron - what a bike! Adjustable travel & geometry as well as 27.5" & 29" wheelsizes

    Interested that Nicolai will supply with EXT shock and also photos seem to show the upside down Intend forks
    Yes. What a lot of nice ideas in that bike I wonder where many of those came from.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Yes. What a lot of nice ideas in that bike I wonder where many of those came from.....

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    Same old story unfortunately.....

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    Will this result in the G16/G15/G13 being killed off?

    Looking at a G15 to replace my enduro next summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Yes. What a lot of nice ideas in that bike I wonder where many of those came from.....

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    I guess it would be under the umbrella of 'GeoMetron'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir HC View Post
    Will this result in the G16/G15/G13 being killed off?

    Looking at a G15 to replace my enduro next summer.
    It will replace 16/15/13 yes.

    With the transition to a metric shock the tar shock travel can be adjusted to 140mm easily.
    Similar with forks.

    This was the whole basis of doing it this way. Flexibility for riders to use the wheels they want in the combination they want (with the exception, I hope for obvious reasons, of 29 Rear and 27.5 front or fat bike wheels!) and the travel they want and if they change their mind its not a new bike, you will be able to buy the adaptors you need for the options you want.


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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Yes. What a lot of nice ideas in that bike I wonder where many of those came from.....

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    Yes, that was bullshit. As if Nicolai came up with the whole geometry concept.

    Also - Hi! duncanridesbikes (insta) here - maybe a more appropriate arena to ask about the BB height info you posted in my IG feed?

    You mentioned the BB height should be around 330-335mm, but i'm measuring it at 355-360mm (with 29 inch wheels F+R). Seems like 335 would be pretty low for a 29r. I've double checked everything - I have the ET key in the long shock position and a 8.5*2.5" shock mounted.
    I'm running a 150mm Yari - soon to be a 160mm Yari, which will only make matters 'worse'. i get what you're saying about ride height and dynamic feel being more important than a single number by itself, but a variance of 10-15mm is pretty big (or 20-25mm from your numbers which i suspect are 27.5 numbers).

    The Slash is listed as 345mm BB height. I'll be measuring one tomorrow to confirm that.

    What am i doing wrong - a friend is planning to lathe me up some bushings. I'd rather not waste his time if i don't need to.

    Oh - looks like you replied on IG so all of the above is resolved! Yes buy/make offset bushes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    It will replace 16/15/13 yes.

    With the transition to a metric shock the tar shock travel can be adjusted to 140mm easily.
    Similar with forks.

    This was the whole basis of doing it this way. Flexibility for riders to use the wheels they want in the combination they want (with the exception, I hope for obvious reasons, of 29 Rear and 27.5 front or fat bike wheels!) and the travel they want and if they change their mind its not a new bike, you will be able to buy the adaptors you need for the options you want.


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    It's a great concept but shown on Nicolai website as an 'enduro' bike which will put some people off without having a proper description/ explanation of the adaptability of the bike

    Either way looks like a beast to me! Don't know which aspects you were involved in but nice work!

    Couple of queries:
    - is top tube now low enough not to get struck by brake levers?
    - any chance of bosses for bottle?
    - is BB shell 83mm?

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    Some clarity for others:

    With 29" wheels f+r, a 150mm Yari and an 8.5*2.5 shock in the 222/70 ET key position, the BB is running 355/360mm static. Pilot wondered on IG how come it was so high, turns out a Longest is long enough that looks like it has 27.5 wheels due to the frame proportions.

    I'm going to get some offset bushes made to drop about 10mm off that figure, as my Trek Slash 29 was in that ballpark and it worked well for me. Similar bikes in the sense that neither have a tonne of chain interaction with the suspension (I think).

    Nicolai/Mojo GeoMetron build/riding/Development Thread-img_20181213_081051_322.jpg
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    Nicolai/Mojo GeoMetron build/riding/Development Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by nouseforaname View Post
    Yes, that was bullshit. As if Nicolai came up with the whole geometry concept.

    Also - Hi! duncanridesbikes (insta) here - maybe a more appropriate arena to ask about the BB height info you posted in my IG feed?

    You mentioned the BB height should be around 330-335mm, but i'm measuring it at 355-360mm (with 29 inch wheels F+R). Seems like 335 would be pretty low for a 29r. I've double checked everything - I have the ET key in the long shock position and a 8.5*2.5" shock mounted.
    I'm running a 150mm Yari - soon to be a 160mm Yari, which will only make matters 'worse'. i get what you're saying about ride height and dynamic feel being more important than a single number by itself, but a variance of 10-15mm is pretty big (or 20-25mm from your numbers which i suspect are 27.5 numbers).

    The Slash is listed as 345mm BB height. I'll be measuring one tomorrow to confirm that.

    What am i doing wrong - a friend is planning to lathe me up some bushings. I'd rather not waste his time if i don't need to.

    Oh - looks like you replied on IG so all of the above is resolved! Yes buy/make offset bushes.
    He he yes. Hello. In the depths of this thread is some of my musings on that but if you are up and running....

    So if you use a 216/63 (8.5 x 2.5?) in the long shock (double check position) and add 2 offset bushes at 2.5mm you should get to around 340mm. But definitely 345mm. 355mm in long shock with 216x63 does seem high to me.

    Chris configures his to 325mm in 29 and said its ace but seems too low for me!

    Sounds like you are doing things right. Youll want to move the saddle forward probably and maybe a tad of fwd bar roll too to reset riding position and seat angle for climbing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    He he yes. Hello. In the depths of this thread is some of my musings on that but if you are up and running....

    So if you use a 216/63 (8.5 x 2.5?) in the long shock (double check position) and add 2 offset bushes at 2.5mm you should get to around 340mm. But definitely 345mm. 355mm in long shock with 216x63 does seem high to me.

    Chris configures his to 325mm in 29 and said its ace but seems too low for me!

    Sounds like you are doing things right. Youll want to move the saddle forward probably and maybe a tad of fwd bar roll too to reset riding position and seat angle for climbing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by bathbill View Post
    It's a great concept but shown on Nicolai website as an 'enduro' bike which will put some people off without having a proper description/ explanation of the adaptability of the bike

    Either way looks like a beast to me! Don't know which aspects you were involved in but nice work!

    Couple of queries:
    - is top tube now low enough not to get struck by brake levers?
    - any chance of bosses for bottle?
    - is BB shell 83mm?
    Should be as ST was due to be slightly lowered too but may not be for all, depends how flat you run your levers (mine dont touch on a Longest but super close)

    You can use straps but there is a solution in the works...see that gap under the lever/shock....

    Ill double check but when I spoke to Marcel a return to 73mm was planned to play more nicely with eagle/12sp but with same bearing spacing as 83mm G16 (bearing spacing was why we did that in the first place - used the G19 BB to improve stiffness and tyre clearance)

    There are a few tweaks.
    Geo is the same tho except for SA on bigger bikes.
    Big difference is adaptability and the fact you can keep the geo the same with different wheel combos.


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    @the_pilot Do you know if seatstays can be retrofitted to a G16? Seems like there would be more possibilities for tuning if doing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir HC View Post
    https://singletrackworld.com/2018/12...-design-limit/

    An interesting read, would like to see what his idea of a perfect fork would end up being and the associated cost and weight!
    36mm stanchions, dual crown, 20mm axle with pinch bolts on both legs - keyed like a Manitou (?), air spring in both legs and damper in both legs. Oh, and 1 1/8th sized steer tube for reach adjustment. I reckon probably do-able at about 1/2-1Lb heavier than a current Fox 36. So, not very unreasonable for the gains.
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    Hi Pilot, Ive noticed Chris is testing formula fork and brakes, do you know what he thinks about these products? Im pretty surprised with the work done on MORC conversion he is testing something completely different, also I have never seen his bike without hope brakes. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostbiker View Post
    Hi Pilot, Ive noticed Chris is testing formula fork and brakes, do you know what he thinks about these products? Im pretty surprised with the work done on MORC conversion he is testing something completely different, also I have never seen his bike without hope brakes. Thanks!
    Hes always testing. It is a business!
    Morc is not going to be for everyone,
    Loads of people wont use a dual crown fork on principle alone (too much bike) I know he rates both, but we havent discussed them in detail.

    He did tell me Hope was tattooed right through him


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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Hes always testing. It is a business!
    Morc is not going to be for everyone,
    Loads of people wont use a dual crown fork on principle alone (too much bike) I know he rates both, but we havent discussed them in detail.

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    Heh, tattooed, nice, hope does produce nice stuff for sure and most of it is even fairly reasonably priced. I think that a lot of people would like to try it at least if they could buy/borrow them for reasonable price, but other than geometron/nicolai and YT capra from more mainstream manufacturers dont make frames strong enough for dual crown. Also dual crown forks tend to be more expensive than similar quality single crown ones so if could turn out to be fairly expensive experiment if they would struggle to sell them. What made me wonder if he likes them is a fact that this is the first time I saw him running something else other than fox/modified fox and there is plenty of dual crown forks out there that he didnt want to even test(at least we dont see him testing them, maybe he did?). Thanks for answer anyway, appreciate that! I have to say that G16 was my dream bike since first time and what they have managed to do with G1 is absolutely awesome, at least I have something to strive for in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostbiker View Post
    Heh, tatooed, nice, hope does produce nice stuff for sure and most of it is even fairly reasonably priced. I think that a lot of people would like to try it at least if they could buy/borrow them for reasonable price, but other than geometron/nicolai and YT capra from more mainstream manufacturers dont make frames strong enough for dual crown. Also dual crown forks tend to be more expensive than similar quality single crown ones so if could turn out to be fairly expensive experiment if they would struggle to sell them. What made me wonder if he likes them is a fact that this is the first time I saw him running something else other than fox/modified fox and there is plenty of dual crown forks out there that he didnt want to even test(at least we dont see him testing them, maybe he did?). Thanks for answer anyway, appreciate that! I have to say that G16 was my dream bike since first time and what they have managed to do with G1 is absolutely awesome, at least I have something to strive for in the future.
    So the Morc will be not. Perhaps thats not been made clear. It will be possible to retro fit a whole load of Fox 36 lowers.

    Will be barely heavier than the SC version but have offset flexibility in the crowns and provide a stiffer handlebar interface with the option to deliver improved air spring and damping cartridges and upgrades.

    The Morc 36 isnt intended to compete with the likes of a boxxer or 40.

    It could be used in plenty of frames as long as the clearance is ok.

    Chris and the team has tested a number of dual crown forks as well as singles to compare damping etc.

    So the plan with a Morc is you will be able to deliver a stiffer fork if you have an existing 36, with upgrade options for the internals that ordinarily wouldnt be open to you....



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    Yeah Ive read on insta I think about some interesting new internals in the works. I think most carbon frames still wouldnt be safe to be used with 36 conversion because of the possible damage it could cause in case of crash and stanchion would hit top/downtube form the side, capra is supposedly reinforced in that area. I have sneaky suspicion that he would be really happy if he could use something completely not fox in this place, he slowly got rid of shock and dropper, the fork is the last reminiscence of Mojo/fox days, even though I bet there is not much left stock in there ather than lower legs and maybe axle

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostbiker View Post
    Yeah Ive read on insta I think about some interesting new internals in the works. I think most carbon frames still wouldnt be safe to be used with 36 conversion because of the possible damage it could cause in case of crash and stanchion would hit top/downtube form the side, capra is supposedly reinforced in that area. I have sneaky suspicion that he would be really happy if he could use something completely not fox in this place, he slowly got rid of shock and dropper, the fork is the last reminiscence of Mojo/fox days, even though I bet there is not much left stock in there ather than lower legs and maybe axle
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
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    Transfer is perhaps the only part from fox where I believe they didnt try to find easy solution intead of the best solution to save money, but its hard to see the reason to pay twice as much money as for something like one up dropper, maybe if I was obsessed with kashima there would be at least that. But Im not I dont know, but to me dropper is nowhere as complex and demanding product to make as fork or shock, to make it light weight and reliable perhaps isnt very easy task, but still should be a lot easier than to make reliable fork as its not that hard to seal well without hampering sensitivity. In you honest opinion, is transfer worth that much more money than something like one up, x fusion manic or even something completely budget like brand x ascend if you have any experience with those? They all seem to work well, if not better than transfer, certainly not noticeably worse, arent much heavier, offer the same travel options...I just cannot find what transfer does better than the others, if they at least had exceptional customer service, but from what Ive heard, its average to put it nicely. I dont want to go completely off topic here so sorry for that. Thanks for the answer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostbiker View Post
    Transfer is perhaps the only part from fox where I believe they didnt try to find easy solution intead of the best solution to save money, but its hard to see the reason to pay twice as much money as for something like one up dropper, maybe if I was obsessed with kashima there would be at least that. But Im not I dont know, but to me dropper is nowhere as complex and demanding product to make as fork or shock, to make it light weight and reliable perhaps isnt very easy task, but still should be a lot easier than to make reliable fork as its not that hard to seal well without hampering sensitivity. In you honest opinion, is transfer worth that much more money than something like one up, x fusion manic or even something completely budget like brand x ascend if you have any experience with those? They all seem to work well, if not better than transfer, certainly not noticeably worse, arent much heavier, offer the same travel options...I just cannot find what transfer does better than the others, if they at least had exceptional customer service, but from what Ive heard, its average to put it nicely. I dont want to go completely off topic here so sorry for that. Thanks for the answer!
    I dont have any experience of the others only Reverb.

    I still have a Dos which has never let me down. Same with my Transfer. I wasnt trying to big up Fox, just saying in my experience its been bullet proof with zero attention.

    The reverbs however....


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    Yet reverb is perhaps the most sold dropper out there and still advertised as leader in this segment. Shows how much bike brands care about reliability, easy serviceability or performance in general for their customers. Thats what I absolutely love about nicolai/geometron attitude, you use the best part for the job from the get go, no shortcuts, not "updates" every other month pretending that what they made 2 months before was top notch back then but now we have created something even better. And sadly it seems people buy into this bullshit. Hmm, doss was real market leader undoubtedly, but back then competition was nowhere near as good as it is now. But thats only good for us customers.

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    Had my transfer back for warranty twice within 3 months before a sternly worded email got me a replacement for a bike yoke revive. It developed mushiness and then just stopped working within weeks both times I got it back from Fox. I bought it because I heard about its unparalleled durability, but I guess there are always exceptions to the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maimed02 View Post
    Had my transfer back for warranty twice within 3 months before a sternly worded email got me a replacement for a bike yoke revive. It developed mushiness and then just stopped working within weeks both times I got it back from Fox. I bought it because I heard about its unparalleled durability, but I guess there are always exceptions to the rule.
    I like the look of the revive. And yep, always exceptions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by maimed02 View Post
    Had my transfer back for warranty twice within 3 months before a sternly worded email got me a replacement for a bike yoke revive. It developed mushiness and then just stopped working within weeks both times I got it back from Fox. I bought it because I heard about its unparalleled durability, but I guess there are always exceptions to the rule.
    Yea there always will be exceptions, it still sucks to buy one of them thought. Talking about droppers, didnt you guys consider going for eightpins system or something like that? I dont know, maybe its not available to anyone other than liteville, but as a concept it looks like real step forward in terms of durability with larger bushings and improved bushing overlap and other advantages coming with more space to fit stuff into. Geometron with low standover and short seat tubes is the perfect candidate to me.

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    I really looked hard at a dual crown on my G16 29. Hard to swallow the price of an hlins DH or Formula NeroR or 40 lowered w/reduced offset crowns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUNKY View Post
    I really looked hard at a dual crown on my G16 29. Hard to swallow the price of an hlins DH or Formula NeroR or 40 lowered w/reduced offset crowns.
    1300euro for Nero R isnt too bad compared to grip 2 36?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostbiker View Post
    Hi Pilot, Ive noticed Chris is testing formula fork and brakes, do you know what he thinks about these products? Im pretty surprised with the work done on MORC conversion he is testing something completely different, also I have never seen his bike without hope brakes. Thanks!
    Just noticed that on GeoMetron website the G1 is offered with the Formula Selva R fork, I guess it's not surprising that Chris P likes these are they're so tuneable

    Does this mean Mojo Rising is now the UK distributor for Formula?

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    Did they have mutator chips for the chain stays?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegromit View Post
    Did they have mutator chips for the chain stays?
    Did who?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nouseforaname View Post
    the BB is running 355/360mm static. ......
    I'm going to get some offset bushes made to drop about 10mm off that figure,
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    Holy fvck what will the h/a be then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nouseforaname View Post
    Did who?
    maybe I should of said didn't Geometron/Nicolai have mutator chips for G19/16/15/13 chainstays already?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegromit View Post
    maybe I should of said didn't Geometron/Nicolai have mutator chips for G19/16/15/13 chainstays already?
    Yes I thought so, although can't get my head around how you increase seat/shock stay length to account for different size mutator chips on chainstay

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    Quote Originally Posted by tungsten View Post
    Holy fvck what will the h/a be then?
    About 60.5 depending on tyres, if mine was anything to go by feels good at that. Better with a shorter offset fork of about 44mm if possible. 51mm can be pretty quick steering at a very slow pace with that HA


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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    About 60.5 depending on tyres, if mine was anything to go by feels good at that. Better with a shorter offset fork of about 44mm if possible. 51mm can be pretty quick steering at a very slow pace with that HA


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    What do the mutatorchips and 'rado' actually do? The broken english explanation on the nicolai website has me confused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maimed02 View Post
    What do the mutatorchips and 'rado' actually do? The broken english explanation on the nicolai website has me confused.
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    Mutators allow you to alter geometry for use with 27.5/29 inch wheels without change of geometry, RADO allows you to align rear wheel perfectly with the front wheel.

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    Thanks mate, appreciate the insight. Are there any guides on how to utilise these?
    I havethe mojo g16 and I kind of just threw 29er wheels in it (which are running without issue).

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    Quote Originally Posted by maimed02 View Post
    Thanks mate, appreciate the insight. Are there any guides on how to utilise these?
    I havethe mojo g16 and I kind of just threw 29er wheels in it (which are running without issue).
    Lucky you From what Ive read here when it comes to G16 you have to play with offset bushes/angleset/ seat positioning in the seat clamp to get the same numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tungsten View Post
    Holy fvck what will the h/a be then?
    :shrugs: it's all an experiment. I might end up going hybrid.

    You're welcome to come taken it for a spin in the parking lot of you're interested as long as you don't mind moto brake setup- I'm in port moody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bathbill View Post
    Yes I thought so, although can't get my head around how you increase seat/shock stay length to account for different size mutator chips on chainstay
    You dont it changes the BB and then you make other adjustments.

    Hence why the G1 was set up to be able to change the whole triangle in effect to allow one front triangle to accommodate different wheel sizes and setups/travel without messing up the basics of BB, HA, SA.


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    Very good article as alwayshttps://nsmb.com/articles/chris-port...8sOYwGLSur6bi0
    Anyone running DHX2 in G16? What kind of setup are you using? Maybe Pivot could know this? I know CP wants to have progressive setup for good reason, how would you achieve this with DHX2? My guess would be LSC pretty close to open and HSC closed enough to avoid bottom out, however in article about mondraker dune with X2 setup for Andrew Dodd CP went for HSC almost fully opened (22 clicks from closed) and small amount of LCS (18 clicks). Obviously, X2 will have progressive air spring vs very linear coil in DHX2, so it seems not possible to avoid bottoming out without adding more HSC? Storia doesnt have the same issue with proper HBO system, not to mention a lot more progressive frame kinematics of Geometron than Dune.

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    Hello, do someone know if it is possible to mount a 8.75 shock on the G15 to get like 160mm travel? Or is something in the way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mukkiman View Post
    Hello, do someone know if it is possible to mount a 8.75 shock on the G15 to get like 160mm travel? Or is something in the way?
    My guess would be you could either have really messed up geometry with standard bushings or less messed up geometry with offset bushings but rear wheel hitting seat tube. At least it seems like there isnt huge amount of clearance to accommodate extra travel. Im interested what Pilot is going to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostbiker View Post
    My guess would be you could either have really messed up geometry with standard bushings or less messed up geometry with offset bushings but rear wheel hitting seat tube. At least it seems like there isnt huge amount of clearance to accommodate extra travel. Im interested what Pilot is going to say.
    only with offset bushings of course. Its only like a 2mm longer shock then, but with more travel. I mean the G1 has 175mm of travel with a 230mm shock, but has also a steeper seatangle.

    I think the G15 looks a bit better and is also a bit cheaper but 145mm of travel is not realy enough for the do it all bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mukkiman View Post
    only with offset bushings of course. Its only like a 2mm longer shock then, but with more travel. I mean the G1 has 175mm of travel with a 230mm shock, but has also a steeper seatangle.

    I think the G15 looks a bit better and is also a bit cheaper but 145mm of travel is not realy enough for the do it all bike.
    145mm of quality travel is more capable than 180mm of badly controlled travel, especially when paired with good geometry. If you want more, why not go for g16 instead? No reason not to really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostbiker View Post
    145mm of quality travel is more capable than 180mm of badly controlled travel, especially when paired with good geometry. If you want more, why not go for g16 instead? No reason not to really.
    but i want a proper 29er with 29 geometry, not a 650B build into a 29er

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mukkiman View Post
    only with offset bushings of course. Its only like a 2mm longer shock then, but with more travel. I mean the G1 has 175mm of travel with a 230mm shock, but has also a steeper seatangle.

    I think the G15 looks a bit better and is also a bit cheaper but 145mm of travel is not realy enough for the do it all bike.
    Not actually sure here as we didnt choose to do G15, that was a Nicolai Independant decision, GeoMetron preferred to increase the G13 travel to 148mm or use the G16 which has preferable angles anyway (in our opinion, not always everyones opinion!) even with 29 at both ends and with bushes

    If it doesnt strike the ST then it will work but I agree unless a key price difference Id suggest G16.

    Id also agree that 148mm of good travel with a 160mm front is good for almost anything.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mukkiman View Post
    but i want a proper 29er with 29 geometry, not a 650B build into a 29er
    An interesting perspective. We wanted a bike capable of both but to make it without any compromise needed more development. I would argue that a G16 run 29 is more proper 29 than most 29s! It still has a steeper seat angle than almost everything else even now with offset bushes. It only needs more than one offset if you want both a lower (than most) bb AND 175mm of rear travel.

    The choice of an 83mm bb at the time and adjustable chainstays was for both bigger riders and bigger wheels.

    But it is of course your choice as a rider.

    If you email Chris at GeoMetron or Marcel they will happily talk you though the detail of the impacts of what you suggest but I assure you the G16 is no less of a 29er than the G15 and the GeoMetron version always had big wheels as part of its makeup. I know this cos I sat down with Chris and did all the angles/specs, wishlist.



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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    I would argue that a G16 run 29 is more proper 29 than most 29s!
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    I would like to know what would you consider proper-er then? no need to be humble man I cannot think of anything, even pole machine/stamina dont have the angles quite as aggressive, I dont think even even commencal 29er DH bike could get away from well ridden g16 with 180/175mm setup. If Amaury was piloting Commencal, then maybe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostbiker View Post
    I would like to know what would you consider proper-er then? no need to be humble man I cannot think of anything, even pole machine/stamina dont have the angles quite as aggressive, I dont think even even commencal 29er DH bike could get away from well ridden g16 with 180/175mm setup. If Amaury was piloting Commencal, then maybe...
    I guess it was as much a figure of speech :-)

    Those guys can ride anything though cant they!

    Given all of our testing and trying to get Jack Reading on a hybrid I find it very interesting the UCI have changed the (stupid) rule that only allowed the same sized wheels. Hybrid is allowed this year in DH


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    i wouldnt buy a Mojo G16 if i would buy one, because i am german and only about 100km away from Nicolai, so i only would buy a Nicolai G16. The Nicolai G16 got a -17mm bb drop. Thats not realy enough for a "proper" 29er in my opinion. Even with bushings and in the 222mm pos. the bb drop would be okay, but then all the other angles wouldnt be "that" great anymore. Of course they would be bettern then most other bikes...

    The hole point is that the G15 is in Sale for 2050 so 650 less then the G1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mukkiman View Post
    i wouldnt buy a Mojo G16 if i would buy one, because i am german and only about 100km away from Nicolai, so i only would buy a Nicolai G16. The Nicolai G16 got a -17mm bb drop. Thats not realy enough for a "proper" 29er in my opinion. Even with bushings and in the 222mm pos. the bb drop would be okay, but then all the other angles wouldnt be "that" great anymore. Of course they would be bettern then most other bikes...

    The hole point is that the G15 is in Sale for 2050 so 650 less then the G1.
    Bb drop is only one element though. When running 155mm in 222 position with a 29 wheel would recommend a 2.5mm offset bushing.

    G15 is still an awesome bike. Fit a -2 headset, a 44mm offset fork and boom


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    I find the adaptability of the G1 very interesting and I find myself once again spending a snowy winter looking at geometrons.

    Changing for a 29 to a 27.5, while keeping the same geometry, seems to be a matter of new wheels and changing the seat stay mutator from a 6.5mm to a 10mm (on a XL), am I reading their tech sheets correctly?

    It was mentioned that the G1 would replace G13/15/16, so how would I turn this into a 130mm (or any sub-150mm number) travel G13-style frame? A shorter stroke shock and whatever combination of mutators that gets me the geometry highlights I want?

    I always found the adaptability of the G16 interesting (wheelsize wise), but the new G1 seems to take it a step further albeit the mutators is a bit pricy, I only wish there was a google sheet or something that let me select amongst the mutators (alright, that exist already) and the shock stroke and see what comes out.

    I'm guessing the mutators are already proven durability wise, since the existing G16 has them on the chainstays.

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    If you write to Marcel, Chris or Paul at GeoMetron bikes they will tell you exactly what you need to achieve what you want.

    I will take a look and see how easy it is to read. I did ask Chris to make it obvious from a website visual frame drawing with selectable and deselect able elements e.g. wheelsizes, mutators, shock stroke etc. Where the results of changes were both visually represented and in a table.

    Im guessing that not ready yet, Ill ask him about it.

    As you mention a sub 150mm bike is achieved by changing the stroke/configuration of the shock, that is easiest from my chat with the EXT but I assume equally possible with some other shocks and using an appropriate fork stroke to match as desired.


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    Hi Guys,

    Long time reader and Nicolai luster. Finally rationalised the decision enough and pulled the trigger on a G16. Pretty excited about this bike, coming off a Kona Honzo for the last 3 yrs. It's been fun, raced the Megavalanche on it, but now the ankles and back are starting to get sore. So without having ridden or seen one, I figured what the hell.

    I've been following the thread from the start & I'd always intended to build the G16 up as a 29r but now people have gone hybrid. I'm torn as to which setup to go with.

    In the interim though, I'm planning to run 170mm Lyrik up front and 155mm Monarch in the rear with 29r wheels from the Honzo.

    From what I've read people are running the 155mm shock in the 170mm position to slacken it out further and get the bb drop for the big wheels. Is this the only real tweak needed or are offset bushing required?

    If you run the hybrid setup in either 155mm or 170mm travel, do you need offset bushed or good to go?

    Thanks in advance for the help,
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    Personal preference to degree but typically in 29, 155mm in 222 shock position with 1 or 2 offset bushes, depending on sag used and fork a2c to get bb right, normally 1 enough. HA will be slack but fine, best with short offset crown as steering very quick with 51mm but you get used to it.

    If hybrid, shock position the same, no offset bushes needed, you can run one if you want a lower bb of course.



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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Personal preference to degree but typically in 29, 155mm in 222 shock position with 1 or 2 offset bushes, depending on sag used and fork a2c to get bb right, normally 1 enough. HA will be slack but fine, best with short offset crown as steering very quick with 51mm but you get used to it.

    If hybrid, shock position the same, no offset bushes needed, you can run one if you want a lower bb of course.



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    Thanks for the reply Pilot.

    Seems you can't get the 170mm Lyrik with the 42mm offset, will run 160mm for now.
    What length offset do you suggest, 2.5mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dig2Ride View Post
    Hi Guys,

    Long time reader and Nicolai luster. Finally rationalised the decision enough and pulled the trigger on a G16. Pretty excited about this bike, coming off a Kona Honzo for the last 3 yrs. It's been fun, raced the Megavalanche on it, but now the ankles and back are starting to get sore. So without having ridden or seen one, I figured what the hell.

    I've been following the thread from the start & I'd always intended to build the G16 up as a 29r but now people have gone hybrid. I'm torn as to which setup to go with.

    In the interim though, I'm planning to run 170mm Lyrik up front and 155mm Monarch in the rear with 29r wheels from the Honzo.

    From what I've read people are running the 155mm shock in the 170mm position to slacken it out further and get the bb drop for the big wheels. Is this the only real tweak needed or are offset bushing required?

    If you run the hybrid setup in either 155mm or 170mm travel, do you need offset bushed or good to go?

    Thanks in advance for the help,
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    Hi Tom - On my G16 with 29" wheels I'm running two offset bushes to get the BB around where I want it with a 160mm Yari. I probably have a different trail network to you though so YMMV. From offsetbushings.com.

    @Pilot or anyone who can chime in - I have located the PNs for reduced offset Fox CSUs - Is there a downside to going as short offset as possible? Ie 37mm offset. If i'm going to buy a new CSU i may as well go 'all the way'?
    Nothing good here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nouseforaname View Post
    Hi Tom - On my G16 with 29" wheels I'm running two offset bushes to get the BB around where I want it with a 160mm Yari. I probably have a different trail network to you though so YMMV. From offsetbushings.com.

    @Pilot or anyone who can chime in - I have located the PNs for reduced offset Fox CSUs - Is there a downside to going as short offset as possible? Ie 37mm offset. If i'm going to buy a new CSU i may as well go 'all the way'?
    There is, suggest sticking with 42/44mm
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    Hey all, i am looking at pulling the trigger on a nicolai, but undecided on travel and frame, initially i was looking at a medium g13, but then started to consider up sizing to the large (im 178cm so in between M and L) i'm also considering a g150. My build will be something like this; coil shock, low offset 36 or lyrik (or something else similar) and probably a -2 headset, might as well commit fully to the new school... I'm coming from a medium 2017 canyon spectral that has always felt too short, prior to the canyon was a large nuke proof mega TR which was a smidge longer than the canyon, and felt better. I ride flats and move around on the bike a lot. Anyone have any sizing advice? I know that it will be totally different to what I am used to, and that's fine as long as I have confidence that i will adapt to the change and ultimately be faster, which may not happen if i get something that is just too long. Cheers in advance. Also being in New Zealand it is most economical for me to buy from germany, so it will be a nicolai i am buying not the mojo/geometron variant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isnowi View Post
    Hey all, i am looking at pulling the trigger on a nicolai, but undecided on travel and frame, initially i was looking at a medium g13, but then started to consider up sizing to the large (im 178cm so in between M and L) i'm also considering a g150. My build will be something like this; coil shock, low offset 36 or lyrik (or something else similar) and probably a -2 headset, might as well commit fully to the new school... I'm coming from a medium 2017 canyon spectral that has always felt too short, prior to the canyon was a large nuke proof mega TR which was a smidge longer than the canyon, and felt better. I ride flats and move around on the bike a lot. Anyone have any sizing advice? I know that it will be totally different to what I am used to, and that's fine as long as I have confidence that i will adapt to the change and ultimately be faster, which may not happen if i get something that is just too long. Cheers in advance. Also being in New Zealand it is most economical for me to buy from germany, so it will be a nicolai i am buying not the mojo/geometron variant.
    I'm 186cm and ride a G13 in large/longest, it's just right for me so maybe a medium would be a better option for you
    If you're going for a G15 with a -2 headset it sounds like you'll end up with a G16/Mojo set up anyway!
    I definitely think it would be worth you giving Chris/Paul at Geometron a call/email to get their input. I realise you're in NZ and that buying from Germany might be better option but I expect they'll be able to help you out

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    Quote Originally Posted by isnowi View Post
    Hey all, i am looking at pulling the trigger on a nicolai, but undecided on travel and frame, initially i was looking at a medium g13, but then started to consider up sizing to the large (im 178cm so in between M and L) i'm also considering a g150. My build will be something like this; coil shock, low offset 36 or lyrik (or something else similar) and probably a -2 headset, might as well commit fully to the new school... I'm coming from a medium 2017 canyon spectral that has always felt too short, prior to the canyon was a large nuke proof mega TR which was a smidge longer than the canyon, and felt better. I ride flats and move around on the bike a lot. Anyone have any sizing advice? I know that it will be totally different to what I am used to, and that's fine as long as I have confidence that i will adapt to the change and ultimately be faster, which may not happen if i get something that is just too long. Cheers in advance. Also being in New Zealand it is most economical for me to buy from germany, so it will be a nicolai i am buying not the mojo/geometron variant.
    As mentioned below if you can worth the chat with Chris, Paul or Marcel at GeoMetron, theyll be glad to help.

    From my perspective (Im the same size as you)

    Riding flats I would err on the shorter (but not short of course) bike
    Particularly if you like the slacker you will need and want to weight the front which is easier with flats on the slightly shorter version relative to upsizing. You can accommodate the difference by optimising the stem and bar roll.

    I ride the Longest but set up with a M cockpit (30mm stem, bar rolled back slightly) but I also ride clipless.

    I cant see the downside for you of going Longer (M) using flats.


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    Cheers the_pilot, and bathbill for your replies, i hesitated in contacting geometron initially as i didn't want to be 'that guy' who asks a whole load of questions that require considered answered only to go and buy my bike from somewhere else; i have sent an email to geometron, but have also done some more thinkign and digging and i reckon for what i want a medium (longer) g13 with a -2 headset, coil shock and 150mm fork will be a good start point, i can always tinker with setup. My biggest concern initially was buying a shorter travel bike than i have and being stuck with it if i find that it is simply not big enough, i'm glad to see that i can get 148mm out of the g13 with the right shock.

    Now all i need to do is pick colours...

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    Quote Originally Posted by isnowi View Post
    Cheers the_pilot, and bathbill for your replies, i hesitated in contacting geometron initially as i didn't want to be 'that guy' who asks a whole load of questions that require considered answered only to go and buy my bike from somewhere else; i have sent an email to geometron, but have also done some more thinkign and digging and i reckon for what i want a medium (longer) g13 with a -2 headset, coil shock and 150mm fork will be a good start point, i can always tinker with setup. My biggest concern initially was buying a shorter travel bike than i have and being stuck with it if i find that it is simply not big enough, i'm glad to see that i can get 148mm out of the g13 with the right shock.

    Now all i need to do is pick colours...

    Cheers, Dan.
    I love my G13, never had a bike like it. Mine's set up as a trail bike so 130mm rear 140mm front which is fine 90% of the time however for bigger days (uplift etc) I do think about increasing travel at both ends so depends on what your riding is like. I did think 130mm/140mm would be fine but my confidence had increased so much I'm pushing it much more!
    You'd have to check coil shock options, I think the EXT Storia will work with 140mm rear travel with offset bushings etc so not as low as 130mm
    One other thing: with -2 headset you're HA will be around 62.5deg and then with a 150mm fork it will be slacker still probably nearer 62deg

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    Good evening gents hope your all having a good wkend...

    Anyone on here wouldn't happen to have a mat black with either purple or blue extra love jingles they post for me to have a nose at pls?

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    Quiet on here at the moment

    Anyone ridden the G1 yet?

    Also, what do you make of Jack Reading's decision to stop riding for Nicolai? Seems a shame but I guess money's tight

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    Ive been so busy at work I have been quiet. Also pretty happy with my bike!

    Due to get G1 springtime along with Selva and EXT. Im confident it will be almost exactly the same as my bike but with slightly more upright pedalling position and lower BB, which was the plan. The fork will be better than my current fork but we shall see on the shock. Im still old skool with 2 lengths of X2

    Im also going to flip between 27.5 and 29 front as a bit of an experiment on trails I ride.

    I didnt know Jack was leaving. I would say money probably is tight and Brexit probably not helping, but Im not sure hes doing better than before he took on the bike which could also be a question in his mind.

    I do know they cant make enough ebikes... not my bag but everywhere I turn these days.

    Im beginning to look at natural riding more to avoid being buzzed and the lack of etiquette. I dont know if it was always there but I didnt see it or if its a whole new type of new rider.

    Clearly doesnt apply to all, just my recent experience.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bathbill View Post
    Also, what do you make of Jack Reading's decision to stop riding for Nicolai? Seems a shame but I guess money's tight
    It is a damn shame as that means we wont be able to see g19 in WC anymore I guess. However I think motivation is mones as you stated and lets be real here, commencal is deffo nice bike so he didndowngrade too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Ive been so busy at work I have been quiet. Also pretty happy with my bike!

    Due to get G1 springtime along with Selva and EXT. Im confident it will be almost exactly the same as my bike but with slightly more upright pedalling position and lower BB, which was the plan. The fork will be better than my current fork but we shall see on the shock. Im still old skool with 2 lengths of X2

    Im also going to flip between 27.5 and 29 front as a bit of an experiment on trails I ride.

    I didnt know Jack was leaving. I would say money probably is tight and Brexit probably not helping, but Im not sure hes doing better than before he took on the bike which could also be a question in his mind.

    I do know they cant make enough ebikes... not my bag but everywhere I turn these days.

    Im beginning to look at natural riding more to avoid being buzzed and the lack of etiquette. I dont know if it was always there but I didnt see it or if its a whole new type of new rider.

    Clearly doesnt apply to all, just my recent experience.


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    Interesting to hear you are sure about selva but unsure about storia, if anything I would have no doubt about that part as it was designed to work with G1 from get go and I believe with spherical bearings alone it will be heaps better than x2. Looking forward to your review and pics! Any idea how CP likes Nero fork with that large offset? Or did they make him something with less than 50mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Due to get G1 springtime along with Selva and EXT. Im confident it will be almost exactly the same as my bike but with slightly more upright pedalling position and lower BB, which was the plan. The fork will be better than my current fork but we shall see on the shock. Im still old skool with 2 lengths of X2
    Interested to understand why pedalling position will be more upright? is this in reference to geo changes or suspension characteristics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bathbill View Post
    Interested to understand why pedalling position will be more upright? is this in reference to geo changes or suspension characteristics?
    G1 has shorter ETT and steeper SA

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    I have my bike set up as a hybrid and as such. Make a small compromise in SA by using either the longer shift k position with the shorter shock or an offset bush with longer shock.

    Its not a big deal at all to me but was something we wanted to not have to compromise on with the new frame.

    Similarly when I do use my 29 rear wheel, to lower the bb I do the same thing.

    I accommodate with the Seat position.

    All no big deal but since I had a lot of input into the principles of the G1 it would seem daft to not get the results!

    On the fork, Ive never been 100% happy with the damping of my e bike 36 fork.
    Im confident that will be sorted with a Selva.
    Was hoping the triple clamp 36 would be ready, Mojo internals and all, but not quite yet.

    Im confident of the storia performance, and I hope the weight increase Is offset by the reduction in fork weight.

    Ill check that I think. Cant be far off.
    Most unlike me to be approximate.





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    hi pilot, I have some question

    1 storia service, why support it Mojo or it should be send for service to Italy??

    2 will G1 replace G13?? Couse its in planes for next build, some day if Pole doesnt made something like machine/stamina with 160-140 travel

    3 can G1 be seted as f160-r140mm travel, interested in Intended and EXT suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VitaliT View Post
    hi pilot, I have some question

    1 storia service, why support it Mojo or it should be send for service to Italy??

    2 will G1 replace G13?? Couse its in planes for next build, some day if Pole doesnt made something like machine/stamina with 160-140 travel

    3 can G1 be seted as f160-r140mm travel, interested in Intended and EXT suspension.
    From geometron Blog: One bike stable? Finally?

    Another point very high on our priority list was the ability to adjust the frame to different wheel sizes, adjust the geometry (like BB height, head angle etc.) and change the amount of rear wheel travel. The travel range we were aiming for with the 230x65mm shock is 160mm 175mm. There can be multiple reasons for changing the wheel size. You could set up the G1 as your UK trail centre 29er bike throughout the year and for your annual trip to Morzine you pop on a beefy triple clamp fork and 27.5 wheels and switch to the long travel setting for example. We can reduce the travel even further via shock stroke reducers to bring it down to a minimum of 140mm.

    Intend fork has 572mm AC lenght in 29-160 setting, so that would be pretty close to 569mm which was used to measure geometry. 27.5 is 552 though which is quite a lot shorter and would steepen headangle quite a lot and also lower BB by roughly 5-6mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghostbiker View Post
    We can reduce the travel even further via shock stroke reducers to bring it down to a minimum of 140mm.
    Ok, Im missed this part.
    Thanks
    firstly need to get reed from my current fully

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    Quote Originally Posted by VitaliT View Post
    hi pilot, I have some question

    1 storia service, why support it Mojo or it should be send for service to Italy??

    2 will G1 replace G13?? Couse its in planes for next build, some day if Pole doesnt made something like machine/stamina with 160-140 travel

    3 can G1 be seted as f160-r140mm travel, interested in Intended and EXT suspension.
    You must have a hotline to Pole...theyve just released the Bushmaster - 140mm 29er!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VitaliT View Post
    hi pilot, I have some question

    1 storia service, why support it Mojo or it should be send for service to Italy??

    2 will G1 replace G13?? Couse its in planes for next build, some day if Pole doesnt made something like machine/stamina with 160-140 travel

    3 can G1 be seted as f160-r140mm travel, interested in Intended and EXT suspension.
    You have some answers I can see.

    1. Mojo have full facilities for Storia service and setup customisation.

    2. The G1 was intended to replace both the G13 and G16 with the shock mod.

    3. As answered, yes, 140mm/160mm is fine.

    Also I would suggest (but would check with Chris) Mojo should be able to adjust the bike to run shorter travel at the front with 29 without compromising geo using the headtube insert designed to allow use of a 27.5 front.


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    Thanks, and its going to be 29er.
    then its time to get bigger piggy bank

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    Without me trying to measure angles on an app on my phone and then wondering if that app is working correctly, I was hoping some of you geometry gurus could help me answer some questions:

    1. I have a mojo g16 (latest model) And currently have it set up 29/29 with 160/155 in the 155 shock position (no offset bushing, just spherical bearings in the ext) How will my current geometry differ from the geometry chart?

    2. Would my bb be quite high in this set up and thus worth using offset bushings (can you get offset spherical bearings?)

    3. How much of a different is riding a hybrid set up? If I were to go hybrid, what changes would I need to make to keep ideal bro?

    4. Finally, stack height. Is the g16's stack height fairly low? I had a mine takes crafty 29er previously and I seem to remember that I didn't bend down as much on it. I have quite a few spacer under the stem at the moment and a 35mm bar, but have considered upping my 160mm lyrik to 170 or 180 for more stack height.

    Thanks, you're all legends!

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    I can answer these, but have to do some other things today. Will get to them later if thats ok.


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    Much appreciated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by maimed02 View Post
    1. I have a mojo g16 (latest model) And currently have it set up 29/29 with 160/155 in the 155 shock position (no offset bushing, just spherical bearings in the ext) How will my current geometry differ from the geometry chart?
    Out of interest, you say you have spherical bearings in non metric storia shock? Are you sure about that? Ive read from CP himself that there isnt enough space to fit them on the standard sized shocks.

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    Needle rollers?


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    Quote Originally Posted by the_pilot View Post
    Needle rollers?


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    Thats what I was thinking he is using interested in the outcome.

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    Oh I just assumed they were spherical bearings. I will take another look because they looked different to bushings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maimed02 View Post
    Oh I just assumed they were spherical bearings. I will take another look because they looked different to bushings.
    Needle rollers an option and upgrade really.


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    I will look at it as an option. What are the pros and cons against spherical bearings vs needle rollers?

    I have been so impressed at the sensitivity of the ext shock already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maimed02 View Post
    I will look at it as an option. What are the pros and cons against spherical bearings vs needle rollers?

    I have been so impressed at the sensitivity of the ext shock already.
    heh only con with spherical bearing is that if you will need it replaced its not as easy as replacing needle bearing or standard bushing. Other than that, spherical bearing is better in everything. Needle bearing also offers a friction reduction and is less sensitive to side loading than bushing, but not as immune to it as SB. Needle bearing you can fit into smaller space so they can be fitted to standard shock and there is also possibility for offset, not sure about this in spherical bearings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maimed02 View Post
    Without me trying to measure angles on an app on my phone and then wondering if that app is working correctly, I was hoping some of you geometry gurus could help me answer some questions:

    1. I have a mojo g16 (latest model) And currently have it set up 29/29 with 160/155 in the 155 shock position (no offset bushing, just spherical bearings in the ext) How will my current geometry differ from the geometry chart?
    Almost no change to HA.
    Higher BB. In 155mm setting likely around 360mm depending on tyres.
    Same everything else.

    2. Would my bb be quite high in this set up and thus worth using offset bushings (can you get offset spherical bearings?)
    So yes, High. Put the shock in the 222mm position first, ride it, see if you like it, add a single offset Bush (or 2) to get your preferred bb height and how you like it to ride.
    You may want to move saddle forward to compensate for slacker SA. (75.5/76deg approx if you use 2 bushes. 0.5deg per bush approx)
    HA similar. If you use everything itll be about 60.5deg. 61.5 deg with just shock position change.

    3. How much of a different is riding a hybrid set up? If I were to go hybrid, what changes would I need to make to keep ideal bro?

    Hybrid feels different, I use one offset Bush to adjust bb. But normal shock position with 160mm 29 front.

    4. Finally, stack height. Is the g16's stack height fairly low? I had a mine takes crafty 29er previously and I seem to remember that I didn't bend down as much on it. I have quite a few spacer under the stem at the moment and a 35mm bar, but have considered upping my 160mm lyrik to 170 or 180 for more stack height.

    Your leaning forward more due to the reach change most likely. MondrKer had long TT relative to reach due to seat angle.

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