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    What's the best area of NM for schools, low crime, etc.?

    I'm looking to possibly relocate and was looking for some opinions on NM. What area/s have the best schools, low crime, culture? I'm sure anywhere in the state is good riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwheelin
    I'm looking to possibly relocate and was looking for some opinions on NM. What area/s have the best schools, low crime, culture? I'm sure anywhere in the state is good riding.
    Best schools and low crime? Picky aren't we!

    I'd say Los Alamos.... not that I personally would want to live there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat
    Best schools and low crime? Picky aren't we!

    I'd say Los Alamos.... not that I personally would want to live there!
    why's that? not enough going on i guess?

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    why's that? not enough going on i guess?
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    I agree w/ Doug on both counts. I don't plan to stay here once my daughter heads off to college. But don't read that as an indictment of LA, necessarily. If you want more fact & opinion, shoot me a PM.
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    You're going to have to give us more info if you want some serious advice.

    Do you hot summers and warm winters, mild summers and mild winters, or cool summers and cold winters?

    Do you close proximity to a major city (within 50 miles etc)?

    Quantify "low crime".. for example El Paso only had something like 5 murders last year, but it's El Paso.

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    The schools here are horrible, unless you can afford private and even then. Even the resort type places have comparably high petty crime rates. If I had to do it over again, especially with kids, I would never move to NM. The rural areas are horribly racist and backwards, there are little to no jobs etc.
    The riding is great. What passes for culture is interesting but mostly for viewing, not for taking part in.
    Just my two cents, but I have been here for 15 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bat Guano
    You're going to have to give us more info if you want some serious advice.

    Do you hot summers and warm winters, mild summers and mild winters, or cool summers and cold winters?

    Do you close proximity to a major city (within 50 miles etc)?

    Quantify "low crime".. for example El Paso only had something like 5 murders last year, but it's El Paso.

    More info is more helpful
    I like the change in season but I don't like alot of snow. I do enjoy mild summers and mild winters. As far as crime, low drugs(i guess that's not happening being close to the border), low murder rate, low burgleries.

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    The public schools in Albuquerque suck (Rio Rancho is a bit better). However, "The Academy" is one of the top private schools in the country- a real dream school. There are some good private elementary schools, too (e.g. Cottonwood Montessori)

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    For ABQ: Crime in is generally over hyped, and there are good schools with good programs for motivated students with parents who are involved with their kids

    http://www.greatschools.org/new-mexi.../high-schools/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bat Guano
    Quantify "low crime".. for example El Paso only had something like 5 murders last year, but it's El Paso.
    And they have already had 9 so far in 2011...
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    Everyone keeps telling me that the schools are good for motivated students with motivated parents and to be honest, I don't see it. My kids could not be more motivated, (they are straight A students) we could not be more motivated to see them do well. Even with the hours of extra work daily they are actually years behind my sisters kids in CA. We teach to the low low end here, even at the good schools, at least the schools in Taos have this mentality that nobody should be left behind, we buy these text books and year after year I watch the classes not get even half way through, mired in the one kid that does not get it. If you try to speak up and get better things for your kids, you are labeled a trouble maker and "just another rich white guy" trying to change things," people are ok with crappy schools because their kids will not go away. I hear all the time from locals here that they do not want to see their kids succeed in school because they will want to go away.
    We have a statewide almost 60% dropout rate. Are you kidding me, 60%? Doesn't reek of good schools to me.
    We are a very poor state. We buy the cheapest text books and programs on the market. Have you guys checked out what they teach for Math? If you haven't you would be amazed. Google "Everyday Math" then check out Spiral Learning, basically not teaching anything to mastery, doing a day here and there on a given subject and then moving on, hoping that next year they pick it up. You end up starting all over, every year. Everyday math would never be touched in the richer states, CA doesn't use it neither does NY or MI or any other state with high ranking math scores. Where do you think NM's math scores rate? Yeah you guessed it we are in a race with Alabama and Arkansas for the very bottom, every year.
    I would educate my kids anywhere but here and had planned to. Can't sell our house and can't afford to walk away. No way in hell knowing what I know now, would I willfully come here with children.
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    The dropout rate is absurd- and it's not a financial problem Albuquerque schools are actually very well funded; the money is just wasted. The schools here have a bigger budget and, I think, more administrators, than the rest of the city put together.

    My wife teaches at a private school though and it's fantastic, even though they get far less money per student than the public schools. If you move to NM, I'd highly recommend that route.

    I wish schools everywhere would give AT LEAST as much special attention to the top 15% as the bottom 15%. THOSE kids are the future of our economy and nation.

    That's awful what you mentioned about parents not wanting their kids to be successful. How'd you wind up in Taos, anyway, Greg?

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    I came to Taos because of cheap land and an idealistic thing that I thought this would be a great place to raise kids, you know the mountains, the river, plenty of freedom to home school, build your own thing etc., what I thought was a lack of crime. I had visions of my kids riding their bikes through town just like I did in LA 30 years ago. That is decidedly not the case.
    The thing with parents not wanting their kids to leave goes back to when this was an agricultural place, they didn't want to loose the labor, that was not very long ago and the mentality persists, but it takes on a more twisted guise.
    Don't get me wrong, I have very good kids who are into the mountains and all that goes with it. Forest loves to fly fish and there is something really cool about a ten year old waist deep in a freezing stream for hours at a time. Haley is a rippin' skier and a nice sort of innocent mountain girl, but we have worked very very hard to keep them that way, it would be easy for them to be racist and jaded, it is what they see at school, on the bus and in our little town.
    Maybe it is just a sign of the times, but kids here are doing drugs sooner, drinking earlier and getting into more trouble than I ever did, I think many of them see it as a dead end street and more and more I am afraid that they are right.
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    I was at a B&B in Taos last weekend. The owner said the town is basically controlled by a few families descended from the Spaniards that settled there hundreds of years ago, and are very resistant to progress, development and change. Sounds almost feudal.

    Man...the local Taos kids though are some absolutely phenomenal skiers. It's hilarious seeing 8 year olds hiking the ridge for some double-black-diamonds, or laying out elbow-dragging carves, or geeky high-school girls hucking 15' drops.

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    Feudal is pretty close. The families that run things don't get along but sit on the same boards, run the same governments. You should see our school board, they very openly oppose anything that benefits white people. My kids go to the charter school, started by parents and really a pretty good school, but is part of Taos School District http://www.taosschools.org/
    see Taos Charter School listed on there anywhere? No, you wont, they wont recognize us in any way because it is the "white" kids school. Actually it is a great mix, kids from every back round but there is a predominance of white kids, so we don't even get listed on the web site.
    Just this morning I talked to the school bus driver who was 20 minutes late for the 4th day in a row. I just asked him what time he was going to show up? His answer to me? "I don't have to answer to you people!" Not much doubt who "you" people are. We didn't talk about his 15 minute stop at the Trailer Park on Wednesday on the way to school. I called his boss who asked me what he was supposed to do. Bus drivers are hard to come by you know. Funny place.

    Taos Ski Valley is the saving grace of the place, the kids rip and it is a good place to be. Thats what we do, just stick to the mountains. I think all those hours sitting on the chair lift is why my kids are in good shape.
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    I have to say, IMO, the public schools in Albuquerque are pretty terrible.

    Yes the Albuquerque Academy, grades 6-12, (private) is a dream school...makes me want to go to high school again...if my daughter had not been accepted there, we would have left the state.

    It is a very selective and exhausting application process though, and the school itself is expensive. The acceptance rate in 2010 was 47%. The entrance exam is very heavy on math.

    My other daughter goes to Sunset Mesa, k-5, also private, very good, and expensive.
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    I moved away when my first child reached school age

    I was raised in Farmington, moved to ABQ when I was 12. I graduated from West Mesa H.S. and then moved away for college. After law school, I moved back. I missed green chile, riding motos with my father, mtbing with my brother, mild winters and beautiful blue skies. I stayed until my oldest daughter turned 6 (after her first year of school as a kindergartner.) At that point, I decided I did not want to raise my children in a climate of gangs, drop outs, high teenage pregnancy rates etc. I could not afford private school as a young associate in a law firm, so I moved my family to Boise, Idaho. It had all things I loved about Albuquerque (other than good chile) and my family, but it didn't have the gangs, crime etc. It was the best move I could have made. 11 years later, that oldest daughter is getting ready to graduate from high school and she has not had to deal with all the crap that I had to deal with in high school in ABQ and I graduated 23 years ago.

    In some ways I have the best of both worlds, because I return to ABQ a few times a year and my family keeps me stocked with chile.

    As a final note, I will say that as good as the riding is in Idaho, it is as good or better in N.M. Also the road trip from Boise goes through some great riding spots: Park City, Moab, Cortez/Durango, Gallup,Farmington, or Taos (depending on which route you take).
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sac
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    what are your reasons?

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    I'ved lived in Virginia, D.C., Chicago, Gallup, FT. Defiance, AZ, Corrales, and Albuquerque.

    I've found that compared to those places, especially the two large cities, Albuquerque is a great place to live/raise kids, with certain conditions being met:

    Private schooling, and the ability to afford to live in the Far Northeast Heights, the North Valley, or Corrales. Call me elitist/classist (I don't give a phuck), but those are nice neighborhoods with low crime rates. There's also Cedar Crest which is on the East side of the Sandias, but only 15 to 20 minutes from town. There might be other good areas that someone else knows of, but that's what I know.

    The bicycling here is world class, and places like Durango/Moab/Fruita/Sedona/Phoenix/Flagstaff are a day drive or less away.

    300 sunny days a year, four seasons, and a mountain (Sandia).

    If you're single and looking for diverse job opportunities, you might want to look elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlx john
    I'ved lived in Virginia, D.C., Chicago, Gallup, FT. Defiance, AZ, Corrales, and Albuquerque.

    I've found that compared to those places, especially the two large cities, Albuquerque is a great place to live/raise kids, with certain conditions being met:

    Private schooling, and the ability to afford to live in the Far Northeast Heights, the North Valley, or Corrales. Call me elitist/classist (I don't give a phuck), but those are nice neighborhoods with low crime rates. There's also Cedar Crest which is on the East side of the Sandias, but only 15 to 20 minutes from town. There might be other good areas that someone else knows of, but that's what I know.

    The bicycling here is world class, and places like Durango/Moab/Fruita/Sedona/Phoenix/Flagstaff are a day drive or less away.

    300 sunny days a year, four seasons, and a mountain (Sandia).

    If you're single and looking for diverse job opportunities, you might want to look elsewhere.

    I sent my kids to Sunset Mesa private school. Good school!! I couldn't imagine spending $17k a year per kid for 6th grade at Academy so I moved to the La Cueva School district to be in a "better" district??? Opinions vary and some will argue that but we felt it was the best for our daughters.

    You make some great points here regarding Albuquerque. I have friends that come here from the midwest and east and love the climate. Granted our job market and pay is not up there with other areas but many sacrifice that for the quality of life here. Some have moved back to midwest and really miss the SW sunshine and skies.

    There is no perfect place. It is all a trade off or compromise in one or a few aspects.

    This is a mtb forum so we need to talk about that...ride year round here with a few days here and there that won't allow it due to infrequent bad weather in the foothills. In the summer...Sooooo many opportunities and all pretty much a short distant drive with many trails right in our back yard.

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    Geez...Greg, maybe time to move to Idaho?? Certainly a jaded view of northern NM.. maybe you should step outside your trust funded existance and see NM outside of Bean's and TSV... these posts come accross as racist


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    Feudal is pretty close. The families that run things don't get along but sit on the same boards, run the same governments. You should see our school board, they very openly oppose anything that benefits white people. My kids go to the charter school, started by parents and really a pretty good school, but is part of Taos School District http://www.taosschools.org/
    see Taos Charter School listed on there anywhere? No, you wont, they wont recognize us in any way because it is the "white" kids school. Actually it is a great mix, kids from every back round but there is a predominance of white kids, so we don't even get listed on the web site.
    Just this morning I talked to the school bus driver who was 20 minutes late for the 4th day in a row. I just asked him what time he was going to show up? His answer to me? "I don't have to answer to you people!" Not much doubt who "you" people are. We didn't talk about his 15 minute stop at the Trailer Park on Wednesday on the way to school. I called his boss who asked me what he was supposed to do. Bus drivers are hard to come by you know. Funny place.

    Taos Ski Valley is the saving grace of the place, the kids rip and it is a good place to be. Thats what we do, just stick to the mountains. I think all those hours sitting on the chair lift is why my kids are in good shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schneidw
    Geez... these posts come accross as racist
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    Would not live anywhere else.

    I grew up in APS until 10th grade, moved to SF with my parents and they made me go to St. Mikes. I thought I woud hate it, grew up in NE heights and went to freshman yr at Eldo. I liked Eldo and I loved St. Mikes. I commute to SF, my wife does not work and I have twin 7 year olds as of today. I moved to RR, much to my surpise, because housing was cheap, I work on the S. Side of SF and I wanted to shorten my commute. I thought I would hate Rio Rancho. I have grown to really like it out there and I am really close to White Mesa and Placitas area, plus Las Huertas out and back in Spring and Summer. My first open house at my kids school, which is brand new, I was freaking out how nice it was and I don't think I could be paying for a better education. New Mexico is definitely backwards in many ways and maybe that is what keeps our population so low. Most of my buddies finished at APS, some are wealthy and successful, some not so much. I love it here and after traveling around quite a bit I would not live anywhere else. Where else can you be outside so many days with kick ass weather. In the spring during a good winter you can ski in the morning and ride your bike in shorts in the evening. You can drive between abq. and SF and see a million miles and drive 40 miles in 30 minutes because there really is not that much traffic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schneidw
    Geez...Greg, maybe time to move to Idaho?? Certainly a jaded view of northern NM.. maybe you should step outside your trust funded existance and see NM outside of Bean's and TSV... these posts come accross as racist
    Racist against whom?

    Hispanics are Caucasian, and not a separate race. And Taos Hispanics cling to their Spanish (as in the country of Spain in Europe) roots.

    Maybe you meant to call Greg a "culturist??"

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    Quote Originally Posted by schneidw
    Geez...Greg, maybe time to move to Idaho?? Certainly a jaded view of northern NM.. maybe you should step outside your trust funded existence and see NM outside of Bean's and TSV... these posts come across as racist
    What part is racist? I am curious. I am simply pointing out things that surprise me about rural NM, I was young and naive when I came here, I never thought I would see race problems as I do here, in 2011. Pointing them out is not racist, it is important, my Spanish friends would mostly agree with what I am saying, it is not about Spanish, or Native American or gringo, it is about cronyism, politics, and selfishness.

    I really could use a trust fund, but alas, none is coming my way, I work hard everyday when there is work to be had. I came to Taos with nothing and have earned everything I have (not much). Days like today when there is no work I sit here and try to come up with ways to feed my family. We live in a beat to **** 230 year old house that we are trying to slowly fix up when we have money and time. I just spent a weekend in Phoenix at a soccer tournament, have been to NY and CA this year and spend at least a couple days a week in ABQ. What am I missing? We would like to move but only because of the schools, they suck. Straight up, they suck and get little support from the community. Our school board has made national news (small time but you get the point) for their ineptness and willingness to fight over the stupidest things, and yes racism and cronyism. Here it is not enough to be of one ethnic group, you also have to have the right last name.

    I am sorry if hearing this is uncomfortable for some people. I mean no offense and am far from racist. What I do want is the best for my kids and pointing out flaws in the system I see as a duty. How else will things ever improve? I find the drop out rate totally unacceptable, and see it as a direct result of failing schools, I couldn't give a damn about who is running those schools, if it sucks, it sucks. It is common for people in NM, who do not like a statement to call it racist, lets try to be real, maybe my opinions are short sighted or ignorant or biased, but they are not racist.

    Phew, too much writing today, I wish it would warm up so I could go ride my bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bat Guano
    Racist against whom?

    Hispanics are Caucasian, and not a separate race. And Taos Hispanics cling to their Spanish (as in the country of Spain in Europe) roots.

    Maybe you meant to call Greg a "culturist??"
    I get called Elitist, and I think that is probably right. I do want better, I think Taos can do better, race aside, who gives a damn about race. I think if we just expected more of kids they could do anything, in soccer we have proven that over and over again, kids that hear they are too fat, too small too skinny or too white to play soccer constantly prove the detractors wrong, There are 5 kids from the tiny town of Taos playing D-1 soccer right now, an amazing accomplishment, all because some of us expected more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schneidw
    Geez...Greg, maybe time to move to Idaho?? Certainly a jaded view of northern NM.. maybe you should step outside your trust funded existance and see NM outside of Bean's and TSV... these posts come accross as racist
    I've experieced some of the things Greg is referring to. I'm not sure why he would need to filter some of the most prominent info from the specific advice that the OP is asking for. I know firsthand that Greg makes tremendous effort to integrate with his community and speaks highly of the benifits and local attributes of his community. I know that he teaches his children to view & treat all people with great respect and high regard.
    I acknowledge that there is truth in Greg's words by having experienced many of the same things. I don't let it get to me. I love northern NM for what it is. I think it's one of the most amazing places in the world. I do not understand why speaking with 100% honesty about certain details of a locale and it's population is being classified as racist. Racism is something that we all will have to live with & address, and pretending that certain aspects of racism, from either side, do not exist only hampers progression regarding the subject. Well-founded, true statements are not racist. Attempting to ridicule and demean people of a certain race is racist.
    Being frank and making accurate statements regarding the social climate of a community cannot be regarded as racist. It should be regarded as painfully truthful information. It sucks, but it's the way things are.

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    Sounds like Mississippi, where you are a nobody unless your family owned a plantation there before the War of Northern Aggression.

    Except with a lot more actual racisism.

    MS has the same education problems that Taos has, sounds like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bat Guano
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    Poor state? Well exactly where does all of the money we get from Washington go to then? Perhaps those famous DOE installations, WSMR and our airbases? Btw, don't we have enough sh_t already to kill everyone on this planet with? You guys do know that NM receives the highest return of any state in country. For every dollar we send to Washington we get back something like $1.68 back! That maybe the only ranking our state can be proud of (versus education, teen pregnancy and DUI).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat
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    Lets see I've lived all across this country from Maui to New York , San Fran. to Jacksonville,Austin to the Twin Cities and places inbetween, I wouldn't move here . I'm sick of million dollar fixer upper fake mud shacks and the people who own them. Given that , the best thing I ever did why'll here was to put delshorte on my mtbr ignore list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by makachut
    Lets see I've lived all across this country from Maui to New York , San Fran. to Jacksonville,Austin to the Twin Cities and places inbetween, I wouldn't move here . I'm sick of million dollar fixer upper fake mud shacks and the people who own them. Given that , the best thing I ever did why'll here was to put delshorte on my mtbr ignore list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by makachut
    Lets see I've lived all across this country from Maui to New York , San Fran. to Jacksonville,Austin to the Twin Cities and places inbetween, I wouldn't move here . I'm sick of million dollar fixer upper fake mud shacks and the people who own them. Given that , the best thing I ever did why'll here was to put delshorte on my mtbr ignore list.
    Yeah, I recall that thread Delnorte posted about your experiences here.....I would have a bad taste regarding NM too.

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    The reason you move to New Mexico is because you can't stay away from the place. You put up with almost everything else to be here. City oriented folks don't like it here, it's too backwards, but that is what I love about it. Lots of BIG country to play in, I would not want to live outside the Four Corners region.

    edit: the 4 Corners region includes Durango and Flagstaff, which may be more in line with child rearing needs. fyi
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    Quote Originally Posted by makachut
    Lets see I've lived all across this country from Maui to New York , San Fran. to Jacksonville,Austin to the Twin Cities and places inbetween, I wouldn't move here . I'm sick of million dollar fixer upper fake mud shacks and the people who own them. Given that , the best thing I ever did why'll here was to put delshorte on my mtbr ignore list.
    When you hate someone and continue to show how butt-hurt you are, it's probably better to put them on your ingnore list. So I agree with the ignore list decision. Good call.

    It's probably better to ignore me next time you're alone at a bar, drunk as a mofo, too - instead of staggering up in the middle of my date with a tall blue-eyed blonde, while we're waiting on our dinner & challenging me to a fight outside. It only makes you look like a turkey. Keep ignoring me in that regard too.
    If I ever saw you on a date (which is unlikely), I'd at least give your date the respect not to do that to her. At least my date laughed about you.

    You might want to try to cut hate out of your life, though. Hate destroys the hater more than the hated. Why live your life like that? Don't you want to live long and happy? I'm not fond of you, Maka, but I've got no hate for you. Life is too precious to live with hate. It's much better to put that energy towards something that will bring happiness to yourself or another. It's one of the many lessons I'm learning as I grow as a person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delnorte
    When you hate someone and continue to show how butt-hurt you are, it's probably better to put them on your ingnore list. So I agree with the ignore list decision. Good call.

    It's probably better to ignore me next time you're alone at a bar, drunk as a mofo, too - instead of staggering up in the middle of my date with a tall blue-eyed blonde, while we're waiting on our dinner & challenging me to a fight outside. It only makes you look like a turkey. Keep ignoring me in that regard too.
    If I ever saw you on a date (which is unlikely), I'd at least give your date the respect not to do that to her. At least my date laughed about you.

    You might want to try to cut hate out of your life, though. Hate destroys the hater more than the hated. Why live your life like that? Don't you want to live long and happy? I'm not fond of you, Maka, but I've got no hate for you. Life is too precious to live with hate. It's much better to put that energy towards something that will bring happiness to yourself or another. It's one of the many lessons I'm learning as I grow as a person.

    You going to come ski this weekend? I am headed up now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greg de taos
    You going to come ski this weekend? I am headed up now.
    Will see you next weekend, Greg. Headed out for Telluride thru Wed. Hopefully Taos will get what Telluride will be getting!

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    When I read the title of this post, I instantly thought Los Alamos. I live here now and hope to stay for the foreseeable future. Sounds like it fits your description pretty well, minus the "culture" as pointed out earlier. I managed to avoid the state's generally shitty school system thanks to my parents, but Los Alamos tends to be at the top of the list when NM's schools are ranked.

    Having grown up near Espanola and just finished with a few years in Socorro, I have to say that I entirely agree with Greg's description of the racism in this state.

    Greg, you mentioned the freedom to home school in one of your posts.. What made you decide against it?

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    Wow- some drama! What am I missing here? Do you live here, Maka?

    It'd be fun to ski with you sometime, Greg. I'm up there most weekends, but am taking today off. I'll probably be up there Monday, and maybe Sunday too. Blue helmet, black jacket with red & white stripes on the pockets, black pants, orange boots. I spend about half the day in the general vicinity of chair 2.

    CS: Do you have a PhD? I'd like to live in Los Alamos. Just have a BS in mech egr. though.

    OP- you're hearing some negative things about NM, but there are some great things about living here, too- schools and crime rates just aren't among them. I'm originally from Portland, but after I got out of the military decided to stay here by choice. While it IS a poor state, it also has the highest concentration of PhDs due to all the high-tech work here. Very stratified. One town is awesome, next town looks like a 3rd world country. If you live in a nice area, like Santa Fe, Los Alamos, or parts of Albuquerque (like NE heights, Corrales) it's a pretty good setup. Very beautiful here, and tons to do if you're into the outdoors.

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    NE Heights are pretty good. La Cueva and Eldorado are both good schools. I go to La Cueva and there are a lot of drugs and drinking floating around. But as long as you can stay out of that, its a good school. Most of the teachers are decent, a few are awesome, and there are a bunch of AP classes to take with almost all of the kids taking the APs passing them. Plus the Principal is a mountain biker and one of the teachers runs? FooMTB. Some people say La Cueva is a really elitest school, but I don't think it is.
    If you have any questions about La Cueva, you can just ask me.

    Academy is also a good school, but as my friend put it, he could either go to Academy and bank on getting a full ride to college or go to La Cueva and have money for college. Also, I'd say that a motivated student can learn as much at La Cueva as at Academy.

    But as far as college goes, UNM isn't an awe-inspiring college, and I don't know how I'll do with out of state because I've heard a lot of stories of kids feeling a bit behind after NM. Of course, I've heard just as many who had no problems transitioning to out of state so I guess it just depends on the difficulty of courses you took here.

    I'd agree with almost everyone else, I used to live in Indiana, and it was a huge difference to Albuquerque in terms of schooling, crime, and a bunch of other things. While its not bad, its also not great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emryium
    ...and one of the teachers runs? FooMTB.
    That would be Erik Peterson who is the Vice Prez... You also have one heck of a X-Country Track Coach (and someone who can "chick ya" on a Mt. Bike) in Claudia Bergsohn!
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    Quote Originally Posted by C S
    When I read the title of this post, I instantly thought Los Alamos. I live here now and hope to stay for the foreseeable future. Sounds like it fits your description pretty well, minus the "culture" as pointed out earlier. I managed to avoid the state's generally shitty school system thanks to my parents, but Los Alamos tends to be at the top of the list when NM's schools are ranked.

    Having grown up near Espanola and just finished with a few years in Socorro, I have to say that I entirely agree with Greg's description of the racism in this state.

    Greg, you mentioned the freedom to home school in one of your posts.. What made you decide against it?

    We do home school to a large extent. My poor kids. They go to school all day and then come home, we go at it for a couple of hours to catch up. I am a fan of a classic education, I like normal math, I like the classic books I believe that kids should play an instrument. Both of the kids are learning to weld and work on cars as well. We do a lot of art etc. All the stuff they don't get at school. Both kids play soccer 4 nights a week for a couple of hours as well, so plenty of outside of school learning.
    I would love to pull them out of school and just do it full time, but I can't make a living and do that. When I first came here, I had the homesteading bug, built my own house, got some solar panels and thought I had it made, no mortgage, no bills and really no worries. Ex- wife decided I didn't need those things and now I go past the old homestead and see it falling apart, she never lived there, so things change, we roll with it. Other big factor was I was a full time single dad for six years, I was happy to have them go to school in those days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by @dam
    It'd be fun to ski with you sometime, Greg.
    We will be skiing Sunday and Monday. We spend most of our time out on the ridge and in the shoots below chair 7A. From Walkries over to Werners (sick today)I ski with my daughter most times, but she doesn't slow me down.

    Give me a call or meet us at lunch noon' ish in the cafeteria.

    I look like a cyclist (6'2" 142) and wear a grey coat and white baseball cap (I have gotten way too sunburned lately)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaGoat
    That would be Erik Peterson who is the Vice Prez... You also have one heck of a X-Country Track Coach (and someone who can "chick ya" on a Mt. Bike) in Claudia Bergsohn!
    I never knew our XC coach biked, but hopefully next year we'll get a club going and then we'll see how our teachers hold up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by greg de taos
    I would love to pull them out of school and just do it full time, but I can't make a living and do that.
    That's the biggest hurdle right there. I was extremely lucky to have been home schooled my entire life up until college. Much respect for continuing to be involved in your kids' education regardless

    Quote Originally Posted by @dam
    CS: Do you have a PhD? I'd like to live in Los Alamos. Just have a BS in mech egr. though.
    Nope, just graduated with my BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emryium
    I never knew our XC coach biked, but hopefully next year we'll get a club going and then we'll see how our teachers hold up!
    You ought to get Steve Williamson from Active Knowledge working with you guys. He's the one organizing the APS School MTB Series....

    http://www.activeknow.com/School_Programs.php

    ...and good luck taking it to Claudia... be careful what you wish for!
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    As far as I know, we already are in the APS MTB series since I saw a few flyers out last year, but my form is pretty bad during school so I didn't go out for them. I guess thats a good thing about Albuqerque, we have a developing school MTB series.

    And I'm starting to like this faculty vs student thing more and more, a challenge is always good but then there's Mr. Resch who is pretty darn fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emryium
    As far as I know, we already are in the APS MTB series since I saw a few flyers out last year, but my form is pretty bad during school so I didn't go out for them. I guess thats a good thing about Albuqerque, we have a developing school MTB series.

    And I'm starting to like this faculty vs student thing more and more, a challenge is always good but then there's Mr. Resch who is pretty darn fast.
    Jealous. So wish cycling had been a part of my school experience.
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    I'm a fan of Los Alamos. I moved there my freshman year of high school from Washington State and felt like i was behind. I feel that i turned out pretty good. Never was into drugs and didn't drink much. It really comes down to who you hang out with i think. This was with a single mom (not a labbie) after coming from a bad situation before. When i came to college i felt well prepared for everything my freshman year. Had i not dicked around i wouldn't be set back the semster i currently am. I always wanted to get out of NM but now after being in Cruces and doing trips elsewhere i realize how great northern NM is for the out doors. Lots of open space, generally a decent winter and 4 distinct seasons. and Colorado isn't far away.

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    OK I am new to THIS forum...first post..here goes...Once upon a time I lived in Roswell, just went back last year for a visit.....Cant comment about schools much, except I hear N.M.Militay Academy in Roswell is supposed to be great....now to the trails around Roswell....FORGET IT...One trail..Haystack Mountain..N.E. of town...dry and sandy...otherwise your driving to Ruidoso..too far....seems like there would be lots of trails, but there arent...I think the problem is this...not a lot of riders..because there is no shortage of land.....I would try to head up to the North Central part of the state...IMHO

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    Yeah- Roswell is pretty much Kansas or Oklahoma with an alien-based economy.

    90Supra- I'm originally from WA, too...a little redneck town near Mt. St. Helens.

    Is there much to do for employment in Los Alamos other than lab work or service jobs?

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    My mom has been able to get by and support my sister and myself reasonably well doing recepcionist work and then the bookkeeper at smiths. we don't live lavishly but its a lot better than it was in WA in the tiny ass town of Thorp

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    NM ROCKS!!! Move here and you will see Great riding, traffic not bad (other than rush hr), all 4 seasons. I am sure the schools could be better but education is what you make of it as well (IMO).

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    I've been gone for the last five days and so sorry for not getting in here earlier. From what I've read and heard Los Alamos is one of the best school districts in the state and we definitely have a very low crime rate. The schools aren't funded better or anything like that but I think the students are simply pushed harder because so many people that work at the lab have high values for education. They are tough and will prepare kids for college. My kids are in 8th and 11th grades right now and are both taking optional classes to better prepare them for college.

    I personallly like living in Los Alamos primarily for the easy access to tons of mountain bike trails and having a really good ski area very close by. If I were single or didn't have kids it might not be my first choice but I think it's ideal for raising a family. I don't actually work at the Lab but do contract for LANL, Sandia, and a bunch of other hi-tech companies around the state. If you can get a job at LANL the pay is great, the politics can suck depending on which group you work in, and the benefits are nice too especially since everyone gets every other Friday off. Because the lab pays so well the jobs around town don't fill up quite as fast as they do in other cities so that might be a plus. Housing prices are kind of high because the town can't house everyone that works at the Lab and a lot of people commute from the valley or from Santa Fe.

    Hope this helps!

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    Beyond the Lab (and no, a pH D is not required to work here), the only stable, established employers w/ decent pay and benefits are the county and the schools. There are a few small start-ups, a few engineering/design firms that contract w/ the Lab, and then it's service jobs.
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    Is there much to do for employment in Los Alamos other than lab work or service jobs?

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    I want to request a mulligan... my reaction was admittedly too harsh... my apologies... Greg's comments from my view were generalized and tended toward the negative, but not racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schneidw
    I want to request a mulligan... my reaction was admittedly too harsh... my apologies... Greg's comments from my view were generalized and tended toward the negative, but not racist.
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    Library Visit

    "A Framework for Understanding Poverty" by Ruby Payne
    Give this book a look over, it'll give some insight into poor communities and neighborhoods.

    I've spent some time teaching in the rural communities here in NM, and used this book to figure out why people do what they do.

    When I took my first teaching gig in Northern New Mexico, I was told that my blue eyes would get me run out of town. 10 years later, I still have yet to encounter any problems. However, knowing what cabron meant helped a lot.


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    Ok I will read it, sounds interesting, but we are not talking about poverty here. The people in Taos are not poor, they are the opposite, land rich, truck rich etc, obviously culturally quite rich. It is something else, something maybe deeply rooted in a agrarian society (poor, by modern standards), but the way Taos has gone has changed things, If you owned just a hundred acres here forty years ago, you are wealthy today. The county is poor, the school district is poor, we have a horrible tax structure and lots of people in power willing to steal. I have some really amazing examples if and when any of us ride together, standing at the top of Divisidero you can see thousands of acres of stolen land.
    Maybe surprisingly, I do not have problems here, I get along pretty well, I have friends from all of the different cultures, to me it is not about race but about what you want out of life. I came here a fluent Spanish speaker and really wanted to assimilate well, I think we have. We are the only gringos who live in our neighborhood, until now i had never really thought about it.
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    I noticed that even though I'd been in the community for a while, I will always be an outsider at any point on the spectrum, which is fine by me. The only place where I'll completely blended in is back east in Gringolandia.

    The book I recommended talks about mentalities that carry on for a generation or two after the poverty condition ends.

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