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    Los Alamos flow trail?

    I know there was a presentation about this given to the County Council sometime last month (?) and I have a vague idea that it's intended to descend some huge amount and be 10 miles long (from where to where?)

    Does anyone know any more detail on this concept/idea/project/who knows? I'm curious but know nothing beyond hearsay. It would be amazing to see a trail project to create a sort of Whole Enchilada-like experience descending all the way from Pajarito to the eastern edge of the county. Maybe this would be a start?

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    Yeah, the Pajarito/Guaje Ridge (when clear of thorns)/Cabra section is already there and pretty fun, though you could obviously improve things quite a bit. From there you can certainly keep heading downhill if you want to, but none of the routes are super obvious or super fun (IMO).

    It's too bad Lab property prevents doing anything that would descend to WR. The terrain on that side is pretty great too.

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    Taber West is pretty deeply involved in the flow trail. If you look him up, I'm sure he'll be happy to fill you in on the details. Ask around, he's not hard to find...

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    A replacement for the existing trail (not fun) from the Townsite lift down to Pajarito Canyon would be awesome. The terrain there is perfect for both flow and gnar/alternate lines, it's shuttleable, and you could connect to Dickless or the trail on the north side of the road, whatever it's called. Then you're stuck at the bridge, but you could conceiveably come up with something to the north that would drop further.

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    LA County Flow Trail

    Walt,

    There's another presentation for the public planned for tomorrow night, April 26, 5:30 p.m. in Fuller Lodge. Eric Peterson, the County's Open Space Specialist, will present the project and show the public trail corridors. He'll discuss the pros and cons of each option. The main option being considered is from the round-a-bout, down Bayo Canyon, and ending at the highway by the White Rock Y. The other option is down Walnut/Pueblo canyon and ending at the same place but it would be really hard to build.

    PS: Note that this flow trail is different than the flow trails planned at Pajarito. Those have been on hold because the land transfer still hasn't completed.

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    Very cool. Thanks for the update! We should be down for bike n' brew next year and I'd be psyched to see progress on it by then.

    If that rec bond gets passed and some real effort goes into the trails... Los Alamos gets pretty freaking awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nealpederson View Post
    The main option being considered is from the round-a-bout, down Bayo Canyon, and ending at the highway by the White Rock Y.

    Wha? There's already a trail there. We need another?

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    My assumption is they'd go down the middle of the canyon rather than on the benches on the sides?

    But yeah, there are actually 2 trails there already, right? There were when I was riding there in the 90s.

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    Yeah that just doesn't make any sense. We need a third trail down Bayo?

    What Los Alamos needs is to fix up Guaje ridge trail and, more importantly, Guaje canyon trail. I've ridden this twice, before the fires, and it was epic, although totally neglected.

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    My understanding is that they are looking to build something more accessible/rideable by novice and intermediate riders. But yeah, really doing a good long term fix on Guaje Ridge (plus building the 1/2 mile of trail needed to connect to Cabra) would be high on my list too.

    Guaje Canyon had it's problems even before the fires. It's far enough out that it doesn't get much traffic and there were a lot of seasons where downed trees didn't even get cleared, back in the day. It was a great place to go fishing (pre fires) and camping, though. You could certainly build some more trail in that area to connect it better to the rest of the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Beam View Post
    Yeah that just doesn't make any sense. We need a third trail down Bayo?

    What Los Alamos needs is to fix up Guaje ridge trail and, more importantly, Guaje canyon trail. I've ridden this twice, before the fires, and it was epic, although totally neglected.
    This is a "flow" trail, totally different from any other trails in Los Alamos which are mostly "anti-flow" and very hard for beginner/intermediate riders. A well built flow trail will be really fun for everyone. This is also on county land and the county has funds to pay for it. Guaje is getting fixed up by the FS and volunteers as usual but this is something totally different. Go talk to Brad at Fusion and he'll fill you in with a lot more details of what the goal is here. Or show up at one of the county meetings like the one they had last night (maybe you did, I couldn't make it because we were at Pajarito cutting through the gazillion downed trees on the trails up there).

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    To back Neal up on this - I grew up in LA. I learned to ride mountain bikes there. I used to wonder why LA wasn't a mountain bike destination, and I'd return every few years to ride and bring different folks with me to check it out. For normal riders (ie, not hucking big drops, not into techgnar, not buying a new bike every 18 months, maybe under age 10) there are two huge problems:
    -The system has no sustained easy/moderate riding. You can do small easy rides if you pick your spot very carefully (out/back in Bayo Canyon, maybe Bridges, the AZ Firebreak/Perimeter area, a few other minor spots) but the vast majority of the riding is pretty technical. That's great for advanced riders but the reality is that most people aren't and there's not a good way to enjoy yourself (and maybe work up the skills for some more technical riding) as a beginner unless you just have a stupid tolerance for pain and crashing.
    -The system is impossible to navigate. Some of this is a function of the finger mesas, but even if you have an idea of what you want to do, unless you're a local and you've spent a lot of time exploring, you're going to get lost fast trying to do most rides.

    Combine the two and you have an extremely beginner-unfriendly trail system. This causes cascading problems with getting people interested in the sport and creating the impetus/critical mass to build/maintain/improve more trails. The trail system in Los Alamos (outside of Pajarito mountain which is awesome) is not a lot different than it was 20 years ago - it's still a neat place to ride, but it could be *so* much better with some beginner/intermediate options.

    Just my opinion, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Beam View Post
    Yeah that just doesn't make any sense. We need a third trail down Bayo?

    What Los Alamos needs is to fix up Guaje ridge trail and, more importantly, Guaje canyon trail. I've ridden this twice, before the fires, and it was epic, although totally neglected.
    It is a hack through there. Ive been down since the fire.
    Such a great ride though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Yeah, the Pajarito/Guaje Ridge (when clear of thorns)/Cabra section is already there and pretty fun, though you could obviously improve things quite a bit.
    That would be sick if they built some purpose built enduro type stuff down Guaje like the Glorieta stuff.

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    As anyone who has ever done digging for dirt jumps knows... the way you get advanced trails and features built and maintained, and keep enthusiasm high from year to year is to start by building beginner/intermediate stuff. A few years later, you suddenly have a TON of people who want drops and hits and big flow lines and you're off to the races.

    Building that kind of trail starts with building a base of riders of all abilities and ages. The flow trail (among other things) is a great way to do that. Once you have the bottom of the pyramid some of those riders will start venturing out toward Guaje Canyon and show up with their family in tow to a CC meeting asking "why can't we fix that trail up?"

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