My '04 Fantom XC powder coated last year. Quite heavy at 32.5 lbs..... I use it as a training bike so when I race with my Scalpel, it feels feathery light. All components upgraded except the frame and rear shocks. I like the aggressive geometry and tight cockpit of this moto.
This is (was) my fantom. I recently robbed some of the parts off it to build up a Haro sonix VL120. I'm looking forward to getting this mangle back operational though. I think the moto's are one of the most underated bikes out there. Not race bikes (as you can see I tried it anyway), but certainly all mountain work horses.
Oh, someone emailed me a question. They would like to buy a FS fantom comp frame on ebay and would like to know if the tires that he already had would work with this frame. 26in wtb wheels and 2.7 tires.
Will a 2.7 tire work with that frame?
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Oh, someone emailed me a question. They would like to buy a FS fantom comp frame on ebay and would like to know if the tires that he already had would work with this frame. 26in wtb wheels and 2.7 tires.
Will a 2.7 tire work with that frame?
wow 2.7 is mega wide....i honestly dont know why you'd want anything that wide, but right now i run 2.1's on my fantom comp ds, and i'd say there's 3/8" of clearance at least on each side of the tire, so if they do in fact ACTUALLY measure 2.7" wide, then yes they SHOULD work...that is if in fact my 2.1" tires are actually 2.1".....
wow 2.7 is mega wide....i honestly dont know why you'd want anything that wide, but right now i run 2.1's on my fantom comp ds, and i'd say there's 3/8" of clearance at least on each side of the tire, so if they do in fact ACTUALLY measure 2.7" wide, then yes they SHOULD work...that is if in fact my 2.1" tires are actually 2.1".....
This is not for me. I got a email and someone was asking me about this. here is the email received.
"Hello Guys,
Looking for some help, I’m looking to buy the 2007 FANTOM COMP DS from this Link in Ebay:
If that size tire wont fit. Then how about the maximum tire size he can run. I would like to give him some kinda answer.
Fred.
well like i said, in THEORY it will fit...b/c the opening is large enough....but i would not suggest running that size tire b/c you do want more space than what he'll end up with between the tire and the chainstay...for mud clearance, etc....if his wheel gets the least bit out of true, he wont even be able to LIMP off the trail, b/c there's no tolorence there....see with a 2.1 tire you could atleast ride to the car if it's not INSANELY bent...just some stuff for you to pass along to him....tell him good luck, but dont use that tire....
Not sure about a 2.7 and IMHO, I would not go wider than a 2.3 for several reasons as snobrder5 mentioned..... it is just not practical at all. Even if it fits, you will have no clearance whatsoever to allow for mud, etc.
Thanks all! I sent the information along. I told him that the standard tire for that frame was a 2.1 so a 2.3 would be the maximum I would go. Told him new tires are cheep and that was a good deal on that frame and said good luck on his buying decision.
Fred.
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I am interested in buying a Fantom Elite soon. DOes anyone have pictures of the 16" frame? Thanks.
I’m sorry, I personally don’t have any photos of the 16” frame. However, my fantom has the 18” frame. I realize it’s not exactly what you wanted but it does give you some idea.
Photo’s above… It is a awesome bike.
Fred.
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I will post some pics in about a week. I will be taking my 2 month old Fly Pro on an epic through the Maah Daah Hey this weekend, with a couple buddies. Hopefully everything holds up for five days.
Revalation 426 Fork, Sun Ringle Charger wheel set w/ Kenda Karma 2.2, Juicy 7's 185mm front and 160mm back, 06 XT F/R Derailluer and Shifters, Race Face Evolve XC Crank, Sram 990 cassette, XTR chain, Evolve Seat Post, Deus stem, Deus headset, Carbon riser bar, Race face grips, Rocket V STL saddle, Race Face good and evil grips.
Planned upgrades
MC 3.R
Fantom Comp
Reba Race Dual Air Uturn, Sun Ringle DS1-XC with Dirty Flea hubs, FSA Team issue carbon crank,Juicy Carbon brakes, 07 XTR F/R Derailluer and Shifters, 07 XT Cassette, Chris King headset, Richey WSC, stem, seat post, flatbar, Rocket V STL saddle. Hope seat QR
Not sure about a 2.7 and IMHO, I would not go wider than a 2.3 for several reasons as snobrder5 mentioned..... it is just not practical at all. Even if it fits, you will have no clearance whatsoever to allow for mud, etc.
2.2 in Kenda's bearly fit on my bike, the front FD kind rubs when in the granny gear.
congrats on the ride Clumpy...I see you finally got it. Give us a ride report in a new thread when you get a chance! Hope you are enjoying it your bike...Chris
Just bought this bike a few weeks ago and am using it for my cardio/street ride for now. Bought it from local bikesdirect store. Very pleased with the bike, store service and the speed of a hardtail again.
So far I have swapped tires out to Kenda 80psi Klimax Lites. Swapped seatpost out for Thomson (just inserted post in frame no ride yet. will need to adjust), saddle for WTB RocketV, pedals to ATAC XS and chain to PC991 .
Will swap grips to OURY lock-on's soon. May even add some barends. Nice bike this.
Just my 2 cents..... instead of going for oury lock-on and a separate bar end, try Ergon grips with bar ends. It prevents the numbing of your hands from extended rides. Works especially if you're old like me that has arthritis or people with CTS. It costs a little bit more but worth every penny. It's basically designed for racing and works well.
.. spooky.
Exactly what I needed to know without having to ask. Been suffering from CTS for years -it's why I was out of cycling for so long and can only ride the Yamaha for short distances. Great call there nico2me, I'll make that swap instead.
:........... Been suffering from CTS for years -it's why I was out of cycling for so long and can only ride the Yamaha for short distances.............
I know the feeling and share your sentiments..... until a racer with CTS mentioned it to me during a race. Now, if only they will make one for a motorcycle, I would be ecstatic !!!!!
Here's my small frame build . Bought the frame on ebay and pieced it together. This is now my backup bike . Nothing special. WTB seat,Wtb grips,WTB speed disc,thomson seatpost,thomson stem,titec bars,deore shifters,xt front and rear derailures,iso flow cranks,Rock shock 3.3mc, marzocchi am1sl forks. Stem and seatpost were changed after picture.
My I suggest someone with some clout get with the powers that be and see about making
this a "Sticky Thread"..I know the new members go picture shopping (old members too )
and it's always an eye catcher when it's at the top of the list..
Blackburn Mountain Cage with water bottle for me and Schwinn Expandable Cage to carry my son's water water bottle on bike path rides.
Unlike most bashguards that replace the big ring, this one allows you to protect your big ring too.
A strip of old inner tube, a little over an inch wide and two feet long, wrapped around the chainstay makes a great protector and costs nothing. Tucking the final end is difficult, but leaves a reasonably nice look compared to the zip ties that some people use.
Here's my motobecane 700 DS that I built up two years ago. Romic rear, marzocchi 130mm Drop-off fork, fsa stem, race face xc cranks, changed from 8 speed to 9 speed. Started as a beginner bike and turned it into a fully functional All Mountain bike.
cyberguy, that's actually a pretty sweet ride! i've never been a big DS series fan, but yours is really nice...what weight spring are you running? i've been toying with the idea of switching my air shock to a coil, but i think at 5" of travel, with the 3.3:1 leverage ratio, i'd need a 1100lb spring for my weight.....which is pretty unheard of for a 6.5" shock....how much rear travel are you getting out of that DS frame? and does it track fairly well on the rocky and technical downhills? nice bike man!
cyberguy, that's actually a pretty sweet ride! i've never been a big DS series fan, but yours is really nice...what weight spring are you running? i've been toying with the idea of switching my air shock to a coil, but i think at 5" of travel, with the 3.3:1 leverage ratio, i'd need a 1100lb spring for my weight.....which is pretty unheard of for a 6.5" shock....how much rear travel are you getting out of that DS frame? and does it track fairly well on the rocky and technical downhills? nice bike man!
Hey snobrder5,
I'm running an 800 lb coil on a romic-d 165mm. I'm 230 lbs and the shock is everything I need it to be. I thought about changing to a 5 inch shock in the rear but I asked the local bike shop and he didn't recommend it because he said it would throw the geometry of the bike all off. The bike tracks well and but with the new rear shock it eats up rock gardens like a mad-dog! I can keep up with my buddies 5" specialized enduro all day in the rough stuff. The only thing that is still original on the bike now is the wheelset. Which, in my opinion are some of the toughest rims around (Alex racers edge 32H). The only downer is the weight. Good luck finding that massive coil! Thanks for the compliments. mtbauctions.com
Help me out here guys. I've got some great pictures of a self built Motobecane Phantom29 equip with some nice higher ends components (Reba, Blunt Rims, Stylo Crank, BB7"s) but I am having trouble figuring out how to post them to this forum. Suggestions/directions would be very helpful...thanks!
If you look up about 5 posts you may notice that your photos are up. I did it the same day as the other thread.
However, if you still want to do it yourself… I think you got it but… If they are the same size like the ones you sent me in the email you will need to resize them… Because they are way too big for this forum. Try 600 x 400
Fred.
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My 2008 600HT in Matte Black of course. I was out today on some trails we are building. Stopped riding long enough to catch my breath and snap the pics i keep forgetting to take.
Yes I did to a Mavic. I also changed the saddle, the other one was ok for training but hard, so I went to a more comfortable WTB. I rode the Kenda tires until they were slicks, then went tubeless to Pythons. I am now replacing the straight bar with a 40mm rise carbon Monkeylite. I got Crank Bro Smarty pedals, and may get the Crank Bro 75 mm adjustable seat post ...kinda pricey though.
Clumpy Mold, I like the Beemer, the Mercedes, the Cycle and the 700ds. It seems like you can afford some pretty good toys. So what's up with the 20 year old washing machine???
here's my 07 700 DS which is almost 1 year old. Now that I know what kind of riding I like I am currently shopping for new rims/tires, stem and pedals.. I couldve taken a pic of it all clean, but wheres the fun in that
THE bike DSC03925.JPG
THE bike with 25.4 Monkey Lite XC low-rise bars and dual control XTR shifters/hydraulic brakes DSC03926.JPG
THE bike with 2007 Fox F100x, custom-built Mavic 819 rims w/red Chris King hubs and tubeless Fire XC Pros, and red Salsa skewers DSC03927.JPG
THE bike with SRAM 990 (11-34) cassette and hollow pin chain and XTR (low normal) rapid rise RD DSC03928.JPG
it cuts the trail like a hot knife thru butter. every pedal stroke is applied directly to the bike. I raced a road tri (in Galena, IL), rec'd many compliments AND kept up with roadies.
considering it is 10 pounds lighter than my old steel hardtail, is fairly gentle on my sit bones. I understand the critics "twitchy on downhills" statements, but that's due to the light weight and you can learn how to control your bike.
BOTTOM LINE: it delivers the "softer than aluminum" ride you expect from Ti and it is lighter/faster than steel. IT IS SICK. I have and wll continue to recommend Bikes Direct to those looking for the best bang for your buck.
You may end up swapping that Skye saddle it broke my arse! But I know how you feel except yours is even more plush since I have last years aluminum model. Tear those trails up.
Finally, I can post some pictures. This was the new bikes maiden voyage. It was amazing. Riding a bike of this caliber is like music for the soul. Here are some crappy point and shoot pics. I LOVE THIS BIKE.
Repost from earlier when I put it on the wrong page.
Here's a few pics of my 07 Fantom Comp DS. This bike was purchased new and complete in January of 07. Since then, I've been upgrading parts as they've worn, and as the urge hits me. The only things that are still stock (other than the frame), are the headset, rear shock, and front fork-although I have changed out the coil spring in the fork for a stiffer one. If you care, you can do a google search for the original specs on the 07 to see what I've upgraded from. My moto has served me well, it's taken my spills and a few spectacular crashes and has yet to fail me. Although I do have some paint scratches due to my sometimes ineptitude on the trails, overall, there is nothing wrong with this bike. The ONLY issue I've had was failure of my rear shock, but that was handled and rebuilt by SRAM under warranty. Using the HIGHLY accurate method of standing on bathroom scales, then picking the bike up and subtracting the difference, it weighs in at approx 30lbs.
The following is a list of the parts I've upgraded to
08 Shimano XT M770 shifters
08 Shimano XT M770 front derailleur
08 Shimano XT M771 rear derailleur
08 RaceFace Deus XC 31.8 100mm stem
08 RaceFace Evolve XC Low Riser bar 31.8
07 RaceFace Evolve XC seatpost
WTB Rocket V saddle
WTB MotoRaptor 2.1 tires
Mavic Crossride Disc wheelset
07 Avid Juicy 7 brakes 160mm front and rear
FSA Afterburner crankset 175mm
Lizard Skin Peaty lock on grips with ODI thugplugs
Crank Bros Smarty pedals
SRAM PG990 cassette which will be replaced before my next ride due to bending of a cog
SRAM PC991 chain
Nice! The silver color stands out too.
I want to know if you can ride up that hill too.
I wasn't too sure about the silver when I first got it. At the time, I really wanted the Fantom Elite DS in gloss black, but it was beyond my budget. The silver has grown on me though.
You can't ride up that hill, as the trail is one way to avoid mishaps. However, as soon as you reach the bottom, there is an immediate transition to an uphill, the same height and just as steep as that.
Well after a year of having my bike I finally figured out what stuff I wanted to upgrade to.
Mavic wheels
Kenda upfront and Specialized in the rear (figuring out which ones I like the best. So far Specialized)
crankbrothers 5050 pedals
ODI clamp on grips (really like em)
Race Face EVOLVE AM STEM incoming in the mail soon..
Within the next 3 months I hope to have it repainted (probably white) and a new front shock.
Most stuff purchased at my LBS which is important IMO.
Here is my 600HT. I purchased the frame and added stuff from another bike I had. I have recently added (not pictured):
Crank Brothers 5050x pedals
SRAM 991 chain
Hope Seat Collar (red)
Hope Bar Ends (red)
Hope Skewers (red)
FSA Carbon Fiber Top Cap
20mm Carbon Fiber headset spacer
Avid Rolamajig
Continental Town and Country tires.
I also cut down the frame pump bracket in order to center the pump in the frame. Since I no longer have a need for a water bottle carrier due to the camelbak.
hey Agent, I'm really liking the looks of that stem. What's the rise and length and all? I've been thinking want to try a different stem on my Fantom Comp HT. From the look of that stem on your bike it looks like it's along the lines of what I think I'm looking for. Awesome looking bike, btw. If I had the extra cash to by a full suspension bike, I'd put some serious thought into an XXXds.
and not to post things in the wrong place, but does anyone know what size clamp i'd need to buy to use the Ritchey SC handle bar that came on the bike and also what the length/rise of the stock stem of my Fantom Comp is? I think if If i can get a slightly shorter stem, and maybe something with more rise it'd make a difference in my control while climbing.
@ Trek - Thanks for the comments bro. The 2nd pic shows the size right underneath "Thomson". It is 15 Degrees x 110mm long x 25.4 mm diameter, SM-E107. I think it is the toughest and most beautiful stem on the market IMO. Oh and as for size of handlebars, they come in two flavors. One is 25.4mm (like mine) and the other is 31.8mm (handlebars are way bigger in the center compared to the rest of the bar) I know kolyan bought a Ritchey adjustable stem and he can probably go to 30 degrees. Maybe that might work out better for you
oh yea, I could have looked a little harder, duh. thanks agent, i've been looking at stems on price point, I'll be posting pics of the Fantom Comp once I upgrade,
So here they are finally, a few quick pics of my Fantom Comp. Ive been wanting to post some for awhile but Im too damn forgetful. Stock except for the pedals. I tried a different stem for awhile but decided to go back to the stock one.
Im noticing that there is a spacer on top of the stem, and the more i look at these pictures I realize that some people (those who changed stems) don't all have the spacer above the stem. Could I put that spacer under the stem thus raising the stem a bit? I wonder why it comes like this, am I missing something?
I bought the frame from Bike Island. Wheels, fork & brakes from ebay. The rest of the parts are an assortment of LBS and parts off of my 20 year old Nishiki Colorado. I've got about 140 miles on it so far and it is tons of fun.
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2008 fantom elite
upgrades:
thudbuster
fire fr 2.4 tires-these things are huge
grips
extra firm spring for rockshox
platforms
sorry for the crappy pic-taken with phone
Frame TripleActive 4B, 3"/4"/5" Travel - Four Bar Rocker Arm. Gussetted SL 7005 Aluminum (Disc Brake Equipped) SuperSmooth Sealed Cartridge Bearings at critical pivots, replaceable rear derailleur hanger
Fork/Rear Shock RockShox REBA TEAM WITH UTURN ADJUSTABLE TRAVEL (85-115MM) TurnKey LOCKOUT COMPRESSION and PUSHLOC /Rockshox Ario 2.2 Air with Rebound and LOCKOUT
Crankset Shimano Deore Hollowtech
Bottom Bracket Shimano Deore
Pedals Plataform witth toe clips
Front Derailleur Shimano Deore LX
Rear Derailleur Shimano XT long cage
Shifters Shimano Deore LX Rapid Fire 27 speed trigger shift
Cassette/Freewheel Shimano XT cs-750
Chain Z9000 super narrow 9 speed
Hubs Vuelta forged alloy with high flanged hubs with CNC machined 6 bolt rotor mounts
motobecane fantom elite ds
manitou r-7 elite
rock shox ario 2.r
fsa orbit xtreme pro head set
fsa sl-k carbon fiber seat post
bontrager inform r love it
raceface system stem
raceface evolve xc crank
raceface good&evil grips
answer protaper carbon fiber handle bars
hayes hfx-9 with carbon fiber levers
sram x-7 rear derailler soon to be x-9
sram x-9 front derailler
sram x-7 shifters soon to be x-9
sunrims ds1-xc with flea hubs
and weight in at 30lbs not to bad
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Ok, I will be loading a pic of my 400ds but first I have to get it clean so it looks like the ones above. Here it is <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/3296387700/" title="IMAGE_066.jpg by rope2, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3505/3296387700_5b3a82f4c7.jpg" width="500" height="400" alt="IMAGE_066.jpg" /></a>
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"Si todos saben lo que ay que hacer por que tenemos problemas" Choose xpst.
I'll be putting some pictures of my Fantom Comp HT with new Tora SL fork. After a month and a half of not having a fork due to a problem with Bikes Direct/UPS that was not cool. I had my Tora 302 replaced with a SL coil and a new headset. It's at the LBS being installed as we speak and I'll be be taking pictures/ riding for the first time in almost two months tomorrow evening.
The reason I asked is I decided up size my shock to a 7.5". I now have 3.5" of rear travel. Interestingly we both went with different but similar types of fork and shock. I went with the Tora 318 U-Turn and the MC 3.3 shock. The 700 DS really comes alive with the motion control/adjustable floodgate options.
I did a lot of research and determined this single pivot design is a good candidate. It brought the front of the bike a little forward and higher. I picked the U-Turn option so I could dial in the right fork length. I also picked up an Easton seat post with a large set back and adjustable seat angle pivot. I just tweaked everything around til my position was just right. I run the fork at full length and occasionally crank it down for long climbs.
Do you keep your forked extended out all the way with your setup?
I did a lot of research and determined this single pivot design is a good candidate. It brought the front of the bike a little forward and higher. I picked the U-Turn option so I could dial in the right fork length. I also picked up an Easton seat post with a large set back and adjustable seat angle pivot. I just tweaked everything around til my position was just right. I run the fork at full length and occasionally crank it down for long climbs.
Do you keep your forked extended out all the way with your setup?
only on the way down i put it around 100mm to 115 when i climb and i lock it out as well when i climb i also love the flood gate on the rear shock
I've got the lefty poploc mounted. Looks like you have the righty poploc adjust? How do you like the small bump compression adjustment feature on the Recon?
I swapped in the Firm spring on the Tora, I'm about 225lbs with gear, and it's super plush. I use the poploc all the time on climbs, it's awesome.
I've got 5 or 6 clicks on the MC 3.3's floodgate and all "bob" is gone but it's still super plush. On down hillers I open the gate all the way for maximum plushness...sweet.
I love the poploc and the small bump compression is sweet to
I think that your next move on your bike should be some better brakes i just got the avid juicy 5 and i like them a lot you can get them from tree fort bike for under $200
I love the poploc and the small bump compression is sweet to
I think that your next move on your bike should be some better brakes i just got the avid juicy 5 and i like them a lot you can get them from tree fort bike for under $200
I've thought about higher end brakes but I've got those Aquilas dialed in so tight right now I can't find a reason to dump them.
I've been thinking of turning my shock around like yours so I can get at better when riding.
My '06 600DS
Replaced:
RS Dart1 w/ RS Reba Team
KS shock w/ RS MC 3.1
Tektro Mech disc w/ Shimano Hydraulic (mismatched)
Skye bar w/ Bontrager Race Lite
Suntour 12-28 w/ SRAM PG-850 11-34
Haven't had it weighed but it feels lighter
I've thought about higher end brakes but I've got those Aquilas dialed in so tight right now I can't find a reason to dump them.
I've been thinking of turning my shock around like yours so I can get at better when riding.
mabe it was just my wait but i just could not get mine to not grab after every ride and they did not have the stopping power that i wanted but it all just a matter of opinion
I love the poploc and the small bump compression is sweet to
I think that your next move on your bike should be some better brakes i just got the avid juicy 5 and i like them a lot you can get them from tree fort bike for under $200
How do you like the juicy 5? I just completed a new build on a '08 Fuji Outland RC and went with the juicy 5 because the price was right. I haven't taken it for a ride yet, but the Avid brake lever feel is a little mushy compared to my Shimano brakes on the Moto. Feels like there's a lot of play before brakes grab even after having my LBS check them out.
How do you like the juicy 5? I just completed a new build on a '08 Fuji Outland RC and went with the juicy 5 because the price was right. I haven't taken it for a ride yet, but the Avid brake lever feel is a little mushy compared to my Shimano brakes on the Moto. Feels like there's a lot of play before brakes grab even after having my LBS check them out.
I like them a lot there is a lot of play before they grab. I like them but they are the first hydraulic brakes i have had so i don't have much to compare them to.
My stock 400ht except for tires,pedals and a computer.
Bontrager revolt super x front
Hutchinson python gold rear
Delphi computer
cheap pedals & straps from dicks. s
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Except for weight, what's wrong with platforms?
Both of my bikes are now fitted with Mallet C clipless/platform pedals. On downhill sections I like the option of not being clipped in so I can put my foot down in tight turns.
For downhill I completely agree that platform pedals are the way to go. For XC and All Mountain clipless pedals give you the added pull strength in getting the most out of your legs.
In my area (non downhill) which is mostly XC and All Mountain clipless pedals are a must. Those that use platforms are usually new to the sport and are scared of being attached to their bike. Once they become more confident they switch to clipless pedals for pedal efficiency and overall speed.
In the end it is your bike and you can do whatever you want. Riding is what is most important.
I ride on a lot of long, steep down hills with hair pin turns. I put my foot down way too mush for clipless. Lots of narrow goat trails too with steep drop offs. I'll trade a little power for safety. It's probably 50/50% where I ride for clipless vs. non.
My '04 Fantom XC powder coated last year. Quite heavy at 32.5 lbs..... I use it as a training bike so when I race with my Scalpel, it feels feathery light. All components upgraded except the frame and rear shocks. I like the aggressive geometry and tight cockpit of this moto.
Where did you take your bike to get it powder coated? Did you take to an auto body shop? How much did it cost? It looks great!
Here is my Fantom Trial. I've had it for about 7 months now and have loved riding it every chance I can get. Upgrades so far have just been the grips, new tires and Crank Brothers 5050xx pedals. On the way is a Fox F100 fork to replace the Dart 3 and I have a Crank Brothers Opium directset going in as well. Hopefully this will take a pound or so off the bikes weight and keep me going out on the trials!
I'm glad to see others who love their Motos just as much as I do
I did a lot of research and determined this single pivot design is a good candidate. It brought the front of the bike a little forward and higher. I picked the U-Turn option so I could dial in the right fork length. I also picked up an Easton seat post with a large set back and adjustable seat angle pivot. I just tweaked everything around til my position was just right. I run the fork at full length and occasionally crank it down for long climbs.
Do you keep your forked extended out all the way with your setup?
Stark
Now that you had the 7.5 for a while do you still enjoy it? I'm going to be upgrading the rear on my 400ds? the 6.5 are a little harder to find.
"Si todos saben lo que ay que hacer por que tenemos problemas" Choose xpst.
Stark
Now that you had the 7.5 for a while do you still enjoy it? I'm going to be upgrading the rear on my 400ds? the 6.5 are a little harder to find.
I highly reccomend it for any of the Moto single pivot upgrade projects. I gained 2 1/4" of travel going from the Axis coil to the air shock. I highly reccomend you go with a shock that has motion control/pro-pedal with an adjustable floodgate. I can't stress that enough. The only regret I have is I wish I had located a MC 3R instead of the MC 3.3. The 3R gives you a handlbar Poploc Adjust feature. I have to reach down to switch between full open, threshold and lock out. I don't know what the travel is on your stock fork but if you can afford it I'd look into a Tora 318, or better, to increase your fork travel. It also allows you to fine tune the length and balance.
I don't think it's a deal breaker tho if you only have the cash to replace the rear shock and not the fork at this point and time. In general you'll just need to tweak your overall riding position untill the balance is just right. I picked up an Easton 50 seat post with a large set back and adjustable saddle angle from Sierra Trading post for $20. This is another key component to the transition. It balances everything out and allows me to dial in the correct seat angle which changed slightly with the larger shock.
Let me know how it goes and if something doesn't feel balanced.
Time to cut the lawn! Nice ride. I am picking up my Q5 at the end of the week. I am opting for a hitch mount to avoid accidents and stupidity on my part.
I highly reccomend it for any of the Moto single pivot upgrade projects. I gained 2 1/4" of travel going from the Axis coil to the air shock. I highly reccomend you go with a shock that has motion control/pro-pedal with an adjustable floodgate. I can't stress that enough. The only regret I have is I wish I had located a MC 3R instead of the MC 3.3. The 3R gives you a handlbar Poploc Adjust feature. I have to reach down to switch between full open, threshold and lock out. I don't know what the travel is on your stock fork but if you can afford it I'd look into a Tora 318, or better, to increase your fork travel. It also allows you to fine tune the length and balance.
I don't think it's a deal breaker tho if you only have the cash to replace the rear shock and not the fork at this point and time. In general you'll just need to tweak your overall riding position untill the balance is just right. I picked up an Easton 50 seat post with a large set back and adjustable saddle angle from Sierra Trading post for $20. This is another key component to the transition. It balances everything out and allows me to dial in the correct seat angle which changed slightly with the larger shock.
Let me know how it goes and if something doesn't feel balanced.
Thank, I will be talking to my LBS soon to see what we come up with.
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Which do you guys prefer? Which is bang for the buck? Both the same price but can't decide. Fantom HT Trail or Fantom 29er?
Side note, what do you guys think about the Windsor 29er Comp?
Upgrade come slow for me .
I got this rock shox, from m lbs. try it out, it worst it. I don't have to worry about lock out as much because mainly I have to pedal all the time in our trails.
When I do go to the mtn's I can manually lock it out. (is not on the fly but it was on my budget). I do like the ride much better next upgrade will be the Front one.
Stark thanks for the advice.
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Rock shox bar, I kept it at 6.5 inches. I didn't want to make many changes. It really rides soft and this bike its pretty tough. I notice the spacers are worn out, I need to get new ones. any ideas for the spacers?
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Yeah, my lbs told me I was crazy for upsizing. Then they tried to sell me a new bike. Pretty clear what their motivation was. Glad I didn't listen to them.
I would have liked to see you get something with Motion Control but a budget is what it is and you should see a nice upgrade in performance. Good job! If you have lock out you can always flip it on for long climbs. I actually leave the floodgate fully open 70% of the time, floodgate engaged 20% and fully locked out 10%. I ride in the mountains tho so see a lot of long climbs which tends to bring out some bobbing when I have to mash the pedals.
What's worn regarding the mounting hardware? If you have to replace them I suggest you bring the bike into the lbs and let them measure and order it for you. That's easiest and you'll know it will be right. If you want to do it yourself, measure the bolt shaft diameter;probably 8mm, and measure the distance BETWEEN the mounting posts; both front and back. Those are the measurements for the hardware. Then call Jensen.com or some other bike part warehouse for assistance.
[QUOTE=Starkonian]Yeah, my lbs told me I was crazy for upsizing. Then they tried to sell me a new bike.
How does it run with the floodgate open? I haven't figure out the best setting yet. I think I have it fairly close, I know I have 175 psi in it and that seems to be working good for the bounce, like I said I haven't play enough to find the best setting if open or closed.
I had more pressure but it was too stiff. so I let some off.
The BBG bashguard works pretty good too. I rolls over everything I go over. Even some of the bigger logs.
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My MC 3.3 is super plush with the gate open. I must have a bigger air can than your Bar because I only run 70lbs air pressure and I get about 95% stroke travel on the biggest hits I do. I weigh 225lbs with gear too. Single pivot frames allow you to run lower air pressures which is nice due to the lower leverage ratio. You might want to let the air out of your shock and compress it fully to see where it bottoms out. Then set the air pressure so you achieve maximum travel without bottoming out. You could also put a tape measure from the seat to the ground to see how much travel you are getting with the new shock, if you want. I was amazed I went from 1 1/4" to 3.5" with the upgrade.
Looks like you have the Bar 2.1? Looks like the red knob controls the rebound damper? I didn't know you can lock it out. That's nice for long climbs.
It looks like you give up the largest chain ring for more clearance re: the bashguard? That looks pretty interesting, I'll have to check that out. I hardly ever use my big ring and there are some areas on my ride where I worry about grounding it.
My MC 3.3 is super plush with the gate open. I must have a bigger air can than your Bar because I only run 70lbs air pressure and I get about . . .
The bashguard makes a big difference, some of the areas that we go over are pretty high and the outher ring dug into logs, the big problem was when I went to the rock garden at Alafia. The out ring hit a rock and I didn't realized it until it affected the next ring shift. I notice the chain hat pick up a little grindig on my middle ring.
With the bashguard I can go over big logs and rocks with no problem it just rolls over everything. The BBG claims to have a life time warranty so far I haven't had to use it. In the future I'm going to get red tires for it.
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The bashguard makes a big difference, some of the areas that we go over are pretty high and the outher ring dug into logs, the big problem was when I went to the rock garden at Alafia. The out ring hit a rock and I didn't realized it until it affected the next ring shift. I notice the chain hat pick up a little grindig on my middle ring.
With the bashguard I can go over big logs and rocks with no problem it just rolls over everything. The BBG claims to have a life time warranty so far I haven't had to use it. In the future I'm going to get red tires for it.
Hey mstguide,
Does that bashguard replace the outer chainring or just mount over it? I'm looking to go 1X8 with my 600DS on the cheap, and I'm trying to figure out if the Truvativ Fived 3-ring crank can be converted to single speed fairly easily if at all. Thanks!
damnitzhym
Depending on your set up, most of them replace the big ring, there are some big rings that are also bashguard they are made fairly heavy. I chose the bbg, it work very good with my set up, it replaces the big ring, and you have a color choice. In some set up you may need new screws for the distance away from the chain. BBG has bashguards for 5 also. you should be able to remove the smaller ring if you want to go single, with the bashguard, I would recomend it because it protects the chain to some degree.
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She is a sweet ride. I am enjoying mine immensely. I just ordered a low rise bar. The flat bar is definitely a racing bar at only 22" wide. I am going to try 27" and if necessary cut off an inch to 26". I have not had any issues with turning or pain with the narrow bar, but per the forums and pro zines they recommend a wider bar.
She is a sweet ride. I am enjoying mine immensely. I just ordered a low rise bar. The flat bar is definitely a racing bar at only 22" wide. I am going to try 27" and if necessary cut off an inch to 26". I have not had any issues with turning or pain with the narrow bar, but per the forums and pro zines they recommend a wider bar.
mtb magz. just had an article were they concluded the longer bar gives better front end control.
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I notice many y'all are running your seatposts pretty high up there.
Make sure the bottom edge of your seatpost is about an inch BELOW the lowest top tube/seat tube weld or you'll eventually ruin your frame.
The minimum insertion line on the seatpost shows the min for the protection of the seatpost NOT for the protection of the frame.
If you can't run your seatpost so the bottom edge is about an inch BELOW the lowest top tube/seat tube weld then you oughta buy a longer seatpost ASAP.
dudes- great pics but some of you dudes are running your seatposts are way too high
yer gonna break yer seat tubes right in front at the top tube junction...buy a longer post fer chrissakes...
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Here is my 2009 Fantom 29. Longer seatpost, BMX pedals with pins and Ergon grips are the only mods. Everything else is stock. This thing is a blast to ride and corners like it's on rails. Who knew weekends could be so much fun?
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here is my fantom team, i swapped out the light wheels onto my hardtail and put a riser bar on and a longer seat post- the medium frame fits me well with this setup, even though i am just over 6'1"
Just finishing up the final tweaking of my second Motobecane mountain bike...
I have $1770 into the bike right now for a Fantom Pro DS that I got off eBay in like new condition without any cable rub or anything. The $1770 includes the upgraded bars, stem, cranks, pedals, seat post, saddle, tires, grip, added a bottle cage and a computer. Here are the upgrades that I got...
bars - Ritchey WCS in gloss white to reduce weight and match better
stem - Thomson X4 90mm x10 degree rise to make the bike a bit quicker handling
cranks - Race Face Deus with X-type bb to reduce weight, increase stiffness, improve shifts
pedals - XTR M970 to keep weight down and keep with the XTR stuff
seat post - Crank Brothers Joplin adjustable with remote lever to make the bike more usable without interrupting riding for steep ascents or descents and without having to remove your hands from the bars
saddle - Selle Italia Max Flite Gel Flow to loose weight, increase comfort and match better
tires - Panaracer Fire XC Pro in 166 tpi with red side walls just cause I like them the best
grips - Lizard Skins Peaty lock on with red clamps for better feel, grip, and control
added a bottle cage and a computer.
The Thomson Elite X4 stem and XTR pedals haven't come in yet but those items won't change how it looks much at all. I really like the white with black and red accents. Usually I go for black bikes but this one came out looking really sweet in my opinion. My next bike has to be a LeChampion in titanium, then replace my steel hardtail with a Fly Team 29er (or maybe just add the 29er)....
I think it looks better right after a good 3-3.5 hour ride. Especially since this ride introduced another guy to the sport and he is already asking when we can go again
I got mine a few weeks ago, Windsor Cliff 29er Pro w/17" frame. Tora Race was very low on air and it took a week or so for the pump to come in that I ordered. Tomorrow is going to be the first real workout, and then a 3 day camp/ride next weekend. It feels great, is bone stock and weighs a little over 29# with the Xpedo pedals. I'm thinking of changing out the obvious parts (stem, bars, & seat post) to try save a little weight. I'd like to drop 3#'s or so, without spending a fortune. But from the few miles I've put on it so far, it rides a lot lighter than it's weight.
MTBing is a new sport for me. I've been a roadie for a few years (Motobecane Vent Noir), and figured I like that bike so much, I'd give Bikes Direct another try as I start to test my skills on the single track. I am not unhappy with my 700DS. There are a few things I'd change (and have), but for the most part... I am really please with the 700DS as my first off-road bike. Some pics:
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Originally Posted by Moto Rider
.. spooky.
she's purrrdeee!
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