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    Motobecane Full Suspension 29er ???

    Is this even an idea with Motobecane bikes? I would buy one in a heartbeat.

    Full Suspension 29er in the near future????
    i love the smell of tri-flow in the morning......

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    According to Mike in this thread, they currently have 2 prototypes and will probably go to production in December or January.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=542432

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    A dually beek 29er. Sounds good!
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    They have full suspension 29ers available as of July now

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    They have them now and they look really good I would go for it in a heart beat

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    Has anyone come up with an educated guess as to how much, say, the 47cm size will weight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpeters View Post
    They have them now and they look really good I would go for it in a heart beat
    Have you ridden one of the F/S 29ers?

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    Motobecane 29er Full Suspension Weight

    Anybody have an idea how much do Motobecane 29er full suspension mtb weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Have you ridden one of the F/S 29ers?
    I wish I would have but no I would still order one. I did not ride my bmc trail fox b4 I ordered it or my Focus or any of my bikes. I always make sure I order from a store that has a test ride period so if I don't like it I send it back.

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    Hello Mike, tells us how much it weights please. I got cash ready!

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    Weight?

    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect View Post
    I just put together a sample in the office
    and it weighed 28.1 lbs
    this is an xtr / reba level one

    the frame work is rather impressive in person
    customers who get these bikes will be very happy IMHO
    Been out there in this thread about 2 weeks now.

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    I just saw these today. Man, they look pretty cool. The frame looks a lot like the KHS Flagstaff frameset. Even the xt/xls build is a sweet deal. Slap some Stan's XTR Crests on there, and your rollin'...

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    Anyone got their new FS 29'er yet?

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    Mine will be here Thursday

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    Mine tomorrow. So exciting

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    Post some pics for us

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    Thursday for me.

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    I am excited to see them in real life and see how they perform. It seems that for the money you cant beat them and they look good.

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    Here we go
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    Quote Originally Posted by slydator View Post
    Here we go

    cmon! stop the suspense.. we don't wanna see the box. we want to see the inside Congrats!
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    Ok Guys, very easy to put it together. Shifters and brakes levers very already on handlebar. I had to put brake rotors on wheels which was piece of cake. Handlebar on stem and mount front brake. Brake looks ok and both derailleurs shifts very nice without any tune up. i did not go for any long ride. Wheels are about 2 kilos with brake rotors each. Bike looks absolutely amazing. Got the 30 spd xtr version. I was very worried about the size. I am 6ft and medium fits me perfectly.
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    Hopefully we will see more info and ride reports are the bikes continue to be delivered. For me the questions are:

    Are the cable routings really as bad as they look on the TT?
    Rear suspension feel -- peddle bob, stiffness/plushness, climbing & decending?
    Handling -- low speed, high speed, does the bike feel heavy or light (meaning sluggish)?
    Comparison to other 29er in the same price range?
    26FS & 29Rigid... best of both worlds

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Hopefully we will see more info and ride reports are the bikes continue to be delivered. For me the questions are:

    Are the cable routings really as bad as they look on the TT?
    Rear suspension feel -- peddle bob, stiffness/plushness, climbing & decending?
    Handling -- low speed, high speed, does the bike feel heavy or light (meaning sluggish)?
    Comparison to other 29er in the same price range?
    You better buy one and do the review yourself.

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    I just looked at the BD web site and most of the medium and larges sizes are already sold-out... so I see your point.

    A few years back I took a leap of faith and bought a Ibex Ignition prior to any reviews. That bike ended up being OK, but never really handled quite right and was not a good climber. The resale value was low and I unloaded it for less than 1/3 of what I paid for it. Unfortunately with 2 kids in college $2K is a lot to pay for a bike that nobody has reviewed and ridden on real trails... I may just have to wait for BD's second round of builds and hope for an Xmas special.
    26FS & 29Rigid... best of both worlds

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    I just looked at the BD web site and most of the medium and larges sizes are already sold-out... so I see your point.

    A few years back I took a leap of faith and bought a Ibex Ignition prior to any reviews. That bike ended up being OK, but never really handled quite right and was not a good climber. The resale value was low and I unloaded it for less than 1/3 of what I paid for it. Unfortunately with 2 kids in college $2K is a lot to pay for a bike that nobody has reviewed and ridden on real trails... I may just have to wait for BD's second round of builds and hope for an Xmas special.

    That's typical resale value, unless it has extraordinary cache that's what to expect. Have you considered buying used? The same resale value could work in your favor and would allow you to test ride at the same time, two birds, one stone.

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    Here you go. Rides out nice so far. I'm 5'11" with a 32" inseam and the 47cm is a prefect fit for me other than having to take a inch off the seat tube.

    Cheers,
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    Well, mine went together in a flash. I changed the front tire to a tubeless Racing Ralph 2.4 using the Stans 29er strip over the existing strip, after drilling the hole to 3/8". Sealed first try. Thought I'd try the rear as it is.

    Weight with spd 747 pedals for a large XTR 30 sp is 29.7 lbs. I'm surprised the other 6'0" riders like the medium. I went with the large because the effective top tube was listed at 615, while my 19" 29er Ti is listed at 622. The website lists that 19 inch frame for 5' 11" to 6' 1" and that bike fits me well. I would be one scrunched up dude if I went any shorter, and by the time I had the saddle where I wanted it the saddle to bar distance was real close to my Ti bike.

    I did a short but rough ride. I never bottomed out and never felt like I was on a pig, so I guess they hit a good balance. The three position rear shock is really nice. There is a bit of pedal induced action, even when seated, in the softest setting and only a trace of it standing in the stiffest. Much better standing than some bikes I've tried, a bit bouncy, but not like running in sand. The front tire seemed a bit more prone to washout than the Ti in sandy stuff at slow speeds, but going fast on tight single tracks it felt real solid.

    Those brakes may be more powerful than my 160 rotors on the Ti bike, but the biggest difference is they really modulate nicely.

    The rear tire is not bad, bigger than the 2.1 would indicate, but I wasn't thrilled with the traction. There is plenty of clearance for something bigger.

    The saddle is almost useable. As in it might go on the grocery bike.

    I've had four FS bikes over the last 20 years. I get one whenever I spent much time away from the smooth trails here in Bend, Oregon, and get rid of it every time I return. Of course, they get better with each bike, and this one looks like a keeper. The shuttle groups are beating some of our trails to a potholed pulp, and this bike will make them easier on my aging carcass. I'll keep this one set up with big tires and run a smoother 2.1on the Ti 29er bike, and with my Moto Ti cyclocross bike, I've got the steed to match any ride. What I like about Motobecane is that I was able to afford all three.
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    Got mine. Glad I got the small at 5'7"
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    motoman427, that looks nice! can you weight your new bike? i'm just curious.

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    Just received confirmation on delivery Wed. Aug.3rd.
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    Number of Packages: 1
    UPS Service: GROUND
    Weight: 30.0 LBS

    Sram X9 Large...

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    Can anyone weigh the rims/tires by themselves.
    Just would like to know what the build weight is on the frame and components without the rims/tires in the mix.

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    I would weigh it for you guys but I'm moving Monday from mi to fl and have little time. I'm sorry moto we will get some mud on you soon. Really like the bike only thing I had to do was hack 2 in off the seat post now its fitting good.

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    wrong brakes?

    Anybody else with the FS 29er XTR 30 with the wrong brakes?

    Mine came with Elixir 9's with 180 mm rotors where I expected Elixir CR's with a 180mm front rotor.

    From website description of XTR 30 version:
    Brakes Avid ELIXIR CR CARBON HYDRAULIC DISC BRAKE, W/POST DISC MOUNT (front), BLACK, 180mm ROTOR
    Brake Levers Avid Elixir CR Carbon hydraulic (carbon levers)

    Other than that and having to cut the seat post 3/4", the bike is great

    Edit: reading back I realized this was wrong... it has Elixir 9's with 180mm rotors
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    Quote Originally Posted by yungster View Post
    Anybody else with the FS 29er XTR 30 with the wrong brakes?

    Mine came with Elixir 9's with 160 mm rotors where I expected Elixir CR's with a 180mm front rotor.

    From website description of XTR 30 version:
    Brakes Avid ELIXIR CR CARBON HYDRAULIC DISC BRAKE, W/POST DISC MOUNT (front), BLACK, 180mm ROTOR
    Brake Levers Avid Elixir CR Carbon hydraulic (carbon levers)

    Other than that and having to cut the seat post 3/4", the bike is great
    Just googled the 2012 Elixir 9's and I guess they replaced the old CR's

    2012 Avid Elixir Brakes Unveiled – Lighter, Better, Easier - Bike Rumor

    Not at home right so I can't check, but maybe these are the newer Elixir 9's?
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    Just noticed that my small frame does not have the water cage mounts.

    Anyone with a small frame that does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yungster View Post
    Just noticed that my small frame does not have the water cage mounts.



    Seriously? Your just joking right?

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    Assembly Question

    Hi,

    I have the Large XTR-30 FS bike. I'm just in the process of assembling it and have a quick question.

    Please note: Sorry for what may be a dumb question. I am not an expierenced biker or mechanic but believe I'm capable of putting this thing together!

    My question is about a piece that came attached to the handlebars. It's a round ring that clenches to the handlebar and then parallel with the bike frame is a black plastic bar with two holes in it.

    The piece has the markings "LS 528", "31.8 0" on it.

    Does anyone know what this thing does? I'm guessing it's some sort of bracket to mount a reflector too. And so I've removed it. But before I throw it in the trash I'd like to confirm what it is...

    Thanks for your help!

    Eric in NJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by engeler1 View Post
    Hi,

    I have the Large XTR-30 FS bike. I'm just in the process of assembling it and have a quick question.

    Please note: Sorry for what may be a dumb question. I am not an expierenced biker or mechanic but believe I'm capable of putting this thing together!

    My question is about a piece that came attached to the handlebars. It's a round ring that clenches to the handlebar and then parallel with the bike frame is a black plastic bar with two holes in it.

    The piece has the markings "LS 528", "31.8 0" on it.

    Does anyone know what this thing does? I'm guessing it's some sort of bracket to mount a reflector too. And so I've removed it. But before I throw it in the trash I'd like to confirm what it is...

    Thanks for your help!

    Eric in NJ
    Yeah, that's the mount for the front reflector. You'll find the matching rear one on the seat post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yungster View Post
    Yeah, that's the mount for the front reflector. You'll find the matching rear one on the seat post.
    thanks for confirming! I'm a little nervous putting this thing together and want to be 100% certain to get it right. I appreciate your help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by engeler1 View Post
    thanks for confirming! I'm a little nervous putting this thing together and want to be 100% certain to get it right. I appreciate your help!
    No problem... ask away if you have more questions. I'm far from an expert but I just went through the assembly process myself.
    The biggest pain for me was cutting the seat post down a 3/4". Everything else was simple.

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    That looks freakin' sweet! I was curious what the small looked like. I am 5'6" with a ~30" inseam. Is the fork set at 80mm or 100mm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by yungster View Post
    Just noticed that my small frame does not have the water cage mounts.

    Anyone with a small frame that does?
    The large only has one set. I may drill a second one into the underside of the downtube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfydog View Post
    The large only has one set. I may drill a second one into the underside of the downtube.


    You will void any warranty if you do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yungster View Post
    No problem... ask away if you have more questions. I'm far from an expert but I just went through the assembly process myself.
    The biggest pain for me was cutting the seat post down a 3/4". Everything else was simple.
    OK - thanks for your help. My seat on my large (6'3" tall) I THINK just fits w/o cutting, but I have the seat as low as it goes. If I do decide I want the seat to go lower, I'll have to cut it too.

    I assume it's just as simple as but the tube in a vice, cut it with a hacksaw and steel wool the burrs off?

    My bikes assembled and ready to go -- just need to figure out how to get the air in with the Presta valve. I've never had those before..

    Can't wait to try it out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by engeler1 View Post

    My bikes assembled and ready to go -- just need to figure out how to get the air in with the Presta valve. I've never had those before..

    Can't wait to try it out!
    Unscrew the core of the Presta valve and use a Presta head or Presta adapter on a regular bike pump. Don't try to remove the core, just unscrew to open it. When you have filled it, remove the pump head and screw the core back in. Presta adapters are available at the LBS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by engeler1 View Post
    I assume it's just as simple as but the tube in a vice, cut it with a hacksaw and steel wool the burrs off?
    Pretty much. If you have a pipe cutter that would be easiest.
    After you cut it, make sure to mark a new "min" insertion point so that if you ever need to put it higher you don't damage the frame. The frame can get damaged by clamping down without enough seat post in the seat tube

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    Quote:
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    The large only has one set. I may drill a second one into the underside of the downtube.

    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    You will void any warranty if you do that.
    Yeah, I may just zip or clamp one while in warranty, though it would be interesting to see if they would pull a stunt like that, assuming that one had an issue totally unrelated to that small modification, which they should have provided in the first place. Heck, I once had a Supergo frame with underside bottle mounts.

    I had a friend with a shop in Boulder who had some pop rivet type threaded inserts he'd put in which worked beautifully. I'll have to ask him how to get those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newfydog View Post
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    The large only has one set. I may drill a second one into the underside of the downtube.



    Yeah, I may just zip or clamp one while in warranty, though it would be interesting to see if they would pull a stunt like that, assuming that one had an issue totally unrelated to that small modification, which they should have provided in the first place. Heck, I once had a Supergo frame with underside bottle mounts.

    I had a friend with a shop in Boulder who had some pop rivet type threaded inserts he'd put in which worked beautifully. I'll have to ask him how to get those.



    They are called "Rivnuts" and are easy to source.

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    ... and if we just ... Suspension Setup Questions

    Hey thanks again to all who have helped as I get my bike put together!

    So the bike is fully operational now and last night I tried to work on the suspension setup. I've been unable to find any good instructions on how to properly setup the suspensions. The best I found was on SRAM.com for the front Reba 29 fork there was a link to missioncontrol_tuningguide_en.pdf. But the problem is it references adjustments I don't have.

    Does anyone know of any article on how to do it that they could share? Or would you be willing to post pointers here?

    [I am 6'3, weigh 245 lbs <-- hence the need for more biking! and have the 30 speed XTR]

    Here's what I've done so far.

    Front Fork - Reba 29 RL

    I added air to equal pressure on the top and bottom air addition ports. I added enough air that when I set on the bike in my garage the sag is about 20%

    Is this about the right amount of sag to have? (I think I'm an intermediate rider that is closer to beginner than advanced. I at no time expect to have both of my wheels simultaneously in the air. I do sometimes go down fast rocky downhills and go over log piles etc.)

    There are two adjustments on the fork a blue dial on top and a red circle type thing on the bottom. The SRAM instructions talks about #s of clicks. My fork doesn't click at all. So I turned the blue dial and red cylinder to the extreme on the stops and then tried to set them both at about the midpoint of their "turnability". But I don't like guessing at things so if anyone has more information I would appreciate it!

    Also, I have the impression that this fork can convert between 80mm, 100 mm and 120 mm of travel. How would I change between these amounts of travel?

    Monarch Rear Shock

    Same thing really here. I added air until I get 20% sag when sitting on the bike in level ground in my garage.

    There are two adjustments -- red level (i think for "big" hits) and a blue dial for "little hits"? I set them both to the midpoint (red lever to middle), blue dial 5 clicks.

    Can anyone share better logic for the settings? I have trouble following the turtle / rabbit logic. Is turtle for more bouncy and rabbit for less bouncy?

    Thanks for anyone who can help me set this up better -- this is my first "real" suspension -- coming off a simple Dart 2 hardtail.

    Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by engeler1 View Post

    Can anyone share better logic for the settings? I have trouble following the turtle / rabbit logic. Is turtle for more bouncy and rabbit for less bouncy?

    Thanks again!
    Turtle is for "slow" and rabbit is for "fast" and they are for the rebound, speeding up or slowing down the rebound. Red is rebound, blue is compression. All your sag settings are starting points, adjust them to suit riding style, conditions and preferences. Sounds like your ready to ride, take your shock pump with you until you get it dialed to your liking. Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yungster View Post
    Just noticed that my small frame does not have the water cage mounts.

    Anyone with a small frame that does?
    So BD confirmed that the small frame will NOT have water cage mounts. They stated that there isn't enough room on the downtube for a cage and bottle.

    I checked and it is a bit tight. Still, I think they should have put mounts there because I could have used a side mount cage or at leasted mounted a pump there. Another option could have been to put the mounts on the underside of the tube. Looks to be plenty of room there for a bottle.

    In any case, I'm waiting to hear back from BD if it will void my frame warranty if I have rivnuts put in.

    Here's a website with other options if anybody else cares:
    http://www.nordicgroup.us/cageboss/

    This isn't a show stopper for me as when I'm on the trail I'll have my camelbak anyway, but it's nice to have a water bottle if I'm just tooling around with the kids

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    Quote Originally Posted by engeler1 View Post
    Front Fork - Reba 29 RL

    I added air to equal pressure on the top and bottom air addition ports. I added enough air that when I set on the bike in my garage the sag is about 20%

    Is this about the right amount of sag to have? (I think I'm an intermediate rider that is closer to beginner than advanced. I at no time expect to have both of my wheels simultaneously in the air. I do sometimes go down fast rocky downhills and go over log piles etc.)

    There are two adjustments on the fork a blue dial on top and a red circle type thing on the bottom. The SRAM instructions talks about #s of clicks. My fork doesn't click at all. So I turned the blue dial and red cylinder to the extreme on the stops and then tried to set them both at about the midpoint of their "turnability". But I don't like guessing at things so if anyone has more information I would appreciate it!

    Also, I have the impression that this fork can convert between 80mm, 100 mm and 120 mm of travel. How would I change between these amounts of travel?
    I set my pressure based on the chart on the fork itself.
    The blue dial is the lockout. Use it when climbing or when you don't want the shock active (it won't be completely rigid but close enough)
    I think the red circle is the rebound setting (i.e. how quickly the shock uncompresses)

    Quote Originally Posted by engeler1 View Post
    Monarch Rear Shock

    Same thing really here. I added air until I get 20% sag when sitting on the bike in level ground in my garage.

    There are two adjustments -- red level (i think for "big" hits) and a blue dial for "little hits"? I set them both to the midpoint (red lever to middle), blue dial 5 clicks.
    Here's a link that has some good info
    http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/articl...pension-18195/

    I setup my rear at 25% sag... probably need to adjust from there.

    Are you sure it's not a blue lever and red dial?
    Blue lever is like the lockout... three positions locked out, medium, max.
    Red dial is the rebound.

    Quote Originally Posted by engeler1 View Post
    Can anyone share better logic for the settings? I have trouble following the turtle / rabbit logic. Is turtle for more bouncy and rabbit for less bouncy?
    I think just starting it at 20% sag and medium rebound is a good idea.
    Also, like AZ.MTNS stated, just bring your shock pump with you and you can fine tune it on the trail

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    Keep those pictures and reviews coming. Also let us know if there are any issues you have noticed.

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    Pre-assembly

    Just received my fs 29er. Here's a pre assembly pic, more to follow after assembly.
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    Fantom 29 FS X9 30 Speed. 60minutes unpack to roller.
    Shipping carton was slightly damaged on cassette side.
    Putting the bike together upside down and backwards.
    First 3-mile shake down on rail-trail was all grins. Now I
    understand how riders can fully embrace this money pit

    Huge difference between a big box store FS and my 29er FS.
    Trying to relate to motorcycles experience. .bike seems to wander,
    like riding in gravel, need to let the bars float in my hands and relax!

    BTW I'm 58 and been out of the loop for about 30 years... be patient!

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    Good job! Test ride

    Tried out the new 29er. It is the XTR 20spd version in size large (6'-2", 35" inseam). The bike feels big but I am coming from a 26HT so that probably explains why. The size actually fits me quite well and I'm sure in a couple more rides I'll get used to it. Glad I went with the large over the medium.

    The 20spd is awesome! No need to ever go back to 30 spd. It climbs like crazy and I never felt like I needed a lower gear, even on some pretty steep stuff.

    Tire grip is substantially better on the 29er vs. the 26er which is not surprising.

    Brakes were flawless.

    Now onto the bad. Don't worry you already know what it is. The handlebar is redicusouly short. Not sure what BD was thinking but they got that part wrong. It's not a huge deal but you better figure on another $100 bucks for a longer bar.

    All in all quite pleased so far. Will try to get some pics up soon as well as an overall weight (I'm guessing in the low 30's, it is definitely not under 30).

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    Well they are all sold out now...

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    Keep the reviews coming!
    Particularly feedback on the sizing and behavior of the rear suspension.

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    Now onto the bad. Don't worry you already know what it is. The handlebar is redicusouly short. Not sure what BD was thinking but they got that part wrong. It's not a huge deal but you better figure on another $100 bucks for a longer bar.
    First bike in a long time I didn't have to cut down the handlebar. Of course, that is easier and cheaper for the buyer than a new one, so a longer one might be a good idea for OEM specs..

    I wouldn't want 20 speed in a 29er. I run middle ring quite a bit and shift a 30 speed less than a 20, but on the hard climbs or paved descents the big ring and small ring prove their worth.

    I love the three position rear shock. I run it stiff on pavement, position two on fire roads and some climbs, and three on single track.

    I did a 50 mile ride a few days ago. The body appreciates the FS. The bike still feels squirelly in sand, but is great on twisty single tracks.

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    I received my XTR 20 today and put most of it together. I am just shy of 5'8 and this thing is absolutely HUGE! While looking for a FS 29er I test rode quite a few different bikes and medium was the perfect fit for every bike I rode. This bike, however, feels larger than a large size Specialized Stumpy 29er! I placed a shorter seat post on the bike, which is about two inches short than the one that comes with the bike, and it is about the right height. This leaves the seat far below the height of the handle bars though.

    Warning to anyone ordering this bike: Be sure to order one size smaller!

    Now I need to review BD's return policy!
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    AVID 9 Rear Brakes on 29er FS

    The rear rotor on the AVID 9 brakes (by the way these are not the carbon brakes BD said they were shipping) is 180mm and I am having all kinds of problems with it. The brake worked great on the first ride and then I started to notice pulsing. The pulsing got so bad it was dangerous to ride. I took it to the LBS and they checked the trueness of the rotor and it was fine. After trying to figure out what was wrong, they ended up putting a new rotor on it and that appeard to fix the problem, although I have not tested it yet on a ride.

    Avid does not make a rear 180mm rotor so I'm not sure what they put on. It is stamped AVID. Maybe it is a front rotor or a knockoff with an AVID label.

    Anybody else having this issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by littletogo View Post
    The rear rotor on the AVID 9 brakes (by the way these are not the carbon brakes BD said they were shipping) is 180mm and I am having all kinds of problems with it. The brake worked great on the first ride and then I started to notice pulsing. The pulsing got so bad it was dangerous to ride. I took it to the LBS and they checked the trueness of the rotor and it was fine. After trying to figure out what was wrong, they ended up putting a new rotor on it and that appeard to fix the problem, although I have not tested it yet on a ride.

    Avid does not make a rear 180mm rotor so I'm not sure what they put on. It is stamped AVID. Maybe it is a front rotor or a knockoff with an AVID label.

    Anybody else having this issue?
    The Elixir 9's are this year's upgrade to the older Elixir CR's. They do come in rotor sizes of 160/180/200 mm.
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    thanks for the clarification! i am still unsure why I was getting the pulsing. if i discover the reason i will post up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littletogo View Post
    thanks for the clarification! i am still unsure why I was getting the pulsing. if i discover the reason i will post up.
    When you say pulsing, do you mean the rotor is rubbing the caliper once a rotation?
    I had that problem for a bit as well.

    What I did was to find the location where it rubbed. I couldn't see it just by looking at the rotor but just rotated the wheel til the rotor rubbed. Then I recentered the caliper with a thick piece of paper as a shim on the rotor (on the side that looked like it rubbed). This offset the caliper just enough that it no longer rubbed.

    If I keep running into this, I might have to pick up a rotor straightening tool... you can use a regular monkey wrench, but I prefer a purpose built tool... you can get the park tool one for under $20. I also saw a set of three tools for under $30 but I forget who the maker was

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    i'm not sure what is rubbing, obviously the rotor and pad, but which is causing the issue is unknown. the LBS tested the rotor and it was perfectly flat. i will try the trick you mentioned to see if that helps.

    thanks!

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    This is a normal problem with avid I asked my shop.

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    Mine was making that noise and my g/f's bike with Shimano XT brakes. I fixed both of them this way:
    1) Bed them in according to the manual - light braking to slow roll a few times and then hard braking to roll. Never stop fully until you're getting off the bike
    2) Loosen the two bolts to each of the calipers. Make sure the rotors are torqued evenly to spec (they need to have the same torque on them). Hold the lever down for that brake so it is FIRMLY applied. Remove the bolts one at a time and add blue locktite. Screw them on lightly and alternately tighten each one until you reach spec.


    Using this method I have almost no noise from either of the bikes now. Hope it works for you guys too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoric52 View Post
    I received my XTR 20 today and put most of it together. I am just shy of 5'8 and this thing is absolutely HUGE! While looking for a FS 29er I test rode quite a few different bikes and medium was the perfect fit for every bike I rode. This bike, however, feels larger than a large size Specialized Stumpy 29er! I placed a shorter seat post on the bike, which is about two inches short than the one that comes with the bike, and it is about the right height. This leaves the seat far below the height of the handle bars though.

    Warning to anyone ordering this bike: Be sure to order one size smaller!

    Now I need to review BD's return policy!
    Wife is 5' 10" with about a 32" inseam you think the small would fit?
    To me that would feel more like sitting "on" the bike than 'in" the bike. But I noticed that it is only about 1" difference in the top tube length...

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    I guess I could always add a longer stem to it if she needs it but I would hate to have a bike that just doesn't fit. She ride a 17" Fantom 29er HT now and it has a 90mm stem instead of the 100mm that came with it and a straight seatpost instead of a setback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    Wife is 5' 10" with about a 32" inseam you think the small would fit?
    To me that would feel more like sitting "on" the bike than 'in" the bike. But I noticed that it is only about 1" difference in the top tube length...
    A man at 5'10 with a 32" inseam would be a perfect fit for the medium, but a female generally has longer legs and a shorter torso. The main problem I found with this bike was not as much stand over height, although that was a tad high, but mostly top tube length. My wife is 5'10 as well and said she felt comfortable on the medium size.

    I think you best bet would be a medium for your wife. I'll give an update as to BD's return policy as soon as I receive my bike exchange. So far return shipping has only cost me $40 through BD. Hopefully the rest of the exchange process will go smoothly.
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    Great that's what I needed to know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    I guess I could always add a longer stem to it if she needs it but I would hate to have a bike that just doesn't fit. She ride a 17" Fantom 29er HT now and it has a 90mm stem instead of the 100mm that came with it and a straight seatpost instead of a setback.
    I rode a 17" Rockhopper as my last bike and it felt great. This 29er comes with a 120mm stem which is pretty long and could easily be shortened. It's a tough call as I think she could fit either bike. I was speaking with my wife again tonight and she commented on how comfortable she felt on the medium sized. I think for your wife's height (same as my wife's) a medium would be great. You can always shorten the stem as 120mm is quite large.
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    Yeah 120 seems excessive to me. Personally I like a shorter stem. I think I'll wait until the medium is restocked. Thanks again.

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    20mm x 110mm with Maxle Lite QR AXLE

    The advertised 20mm thru axle is actually a 15mm. Not a big deal in my book but thought everyone should know.

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    Yeah noticed that some say 15mm and some say 20mm but it seems that the Rebas for 2012 are going to 15mm...

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    FS review

    Could someone do a detailed review for this bike? How does the suspension perform? brake-jack,bobbing,plushness. Is it good for trail riding or cross country? how does it take the hills up and down? Weight? Does it turn like a tank or is it light on it's feet?

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    Hello everybody, first post on this forum.

    I received my xtr model today. Mine came also with the 15mm axle and juicy 9's. You guys should be aware they seem to be shipping this way.

    Not happy about the 15mm. Everything else looks superb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golddr2000 View Post
    Could someone do a detailed review for this bike??
    edit: Sorry so snarky---shouldn't drink and type

    Could you just read the whole thread? We've discussed a the bike a fair bit. Maybe you could summarize it all and post it.



    " How does the suspension perform?"

    I wrote about my impressions of the suspension. Two lollipops if you can find it.

    "brake-jack,bobbing,plushness"
    Is that a question?

    "Is it good for trail riding or cross country?"

    It is very good for riding cross country on trails

    Weight?
    Again, I divulged the weight. Just look for it.

    "Does it turn like a tank or is it light on it's feet?"

    Um, are those the only two options?


    OK, now that I'm done ragging on you, I'll add to my previous comments----pedal induced bobbing--
    I did a long, grinding 2000' climb. I find there is is very little bob in the small ring, when the chain is very nearly parallel to the pivot. Hard cranking in the saddle in the little ring results in very little suspension movement.

    The same effort in the big ring causes a noticable bob. This is the old "high pivot, low pivot" trade off. Low pivot suspension is activated by pedalling a big ring because the geometry changes.

    To me it is not much of an issue. I don't use the big ring until I'm on a smooth road, and then I can lock the rear shock. I think the design is spot on. It might be a bit of a reason to go with a triple instead of a double.

    The 2000' descent was beat to crap by the shuttle riders on their DH bikes. It didn't keep the ride from beating me up, but it was a fair bit faster and smoother than my hardtail, and was it was worth hauling the FS up the climb.
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    Thanks for the review. Wish we could get more on here with some detailed reviews. Anyone here able to compare it to say a Hifi or a Camber?

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    Thanks for the review. Wish we could get more on here with some detailed reviews. Anyone here able to compare it to say a Hifi or a Camber?
    I'm surprised for all the hype about this bike and for being pretty much sold out there's been very minimal feedback about the bike.

    Any word on when frames will hit bikeisland? Will they include a XL in the frame only offerings?

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    I'll try to give you some feedback but to be honest... this is only my second bike and the only thing I have to compare it to is a fully rigid 16 year old Trek 7000. So not much of a comparison.

    Fit: I have a small frame and it fits pretty well. I'm 5'6" with about a 30" inseam. The bars are narrower than on my old bike, but after three trail rides it hasn't bothered me. I did put on some Ergon grips and grab the bar ends when climbing so it feels a bit wider I guess

    Suspension: First time for me with both front and rear shocks. Setup was fairly simple but I can't say I've fine tuned it much because to be honest I don't really know what I want out of it. When I was bedding the brakes, I did notice the frame bobbing as I was pedalling hard to get some speed. Locked out the shocks and problem solved

    Weight: On my bathroom scale it was about 29 lbs without pedals

    Components: Shifting has been wonderful from the start. Love the XTR shifters/derailleurs. Rear brake was squeaky for a bit but I just cleaned the rotor and rebedded them and now they're pretty quiet. Front brake has been silent from the start. My freehub is a bit noisy when coasting at high speeds... (not pawls but more of a rumbling sound). I'm currently talking to BD about possible warranty on that.

    General Performance: It might be just the better drive train but I can definitely climb better on this bike than my older bike. Even on long. steep climbs the granny gear saves my butt when I run out of steam (I have the XTR 30). On the downhills the bike feels stable but I haven't really pushed it hard. I did find some switchbacks felt more difficult than on my older bike... but that may be just a confidence thing. I definitely feel higher up than on my 26" but I think as I get more rides in I will feel more comfortable on it

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    Well they just restocked all the bikes. Only major change is the brakes are avid 9 now and the front fork is a 15mm thru axle instead of the 20mm axle. Same change Specialized just made to all their 2012 bikes.

    I went ahead and ordered the "base" XT / recon model for the wife. Once it comes it I'll give it a good run thru it's paces and see what it's all about. It may not be the XO build (she didn't need it) but at least the geo and pedaling should be the same.

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    More notes as I ride the thing:

    I turned the Prowler tire backwards on the rear, and it climbs better. I almost went down on a dusty corner and it grabbed before the Racing Ralph up front did, so I guess it can stay.

    I did a long, hot double track climb--- there is big difference between the 29,7 lb Fantom 29 and the 24lb Ti 29er. Not as bad as my last FS bike, a K2 with even more bob and weight. I'll go back to the Ti bike next ride and see if I feel like I've got wings, bounced to death, or both.

    Oh yeah---the XTR 30 speed shifting is awfully good. Maybe just new, but I really don't remember my SRAM 9sp or XTR 9sp ever shifting this nicely. I didn't adjust a thing. Finally managed to drop a chain once doing a really stupid sloppy shift.

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    More info on the bike, or summary, after around 10 rides:

    1. XTR 20spd version in size large (6'-2", 35" inseam).
    2. Bike fits fine although I have the seatpost maxed out. If I were to change one thing it would be to stretch the bike out a bit and lower slightly.
    3. As previously mentioned, axles are 15mm, not 20mm. (fixed now on website)
    4. As previously mentioned, brakes are Avid 9's, not carbon. (fixed now on website)
    5. As previously mentioned, rear rotor pulsated badly. Replacement fixed. Have not talked to BD yet about the issue/warranty.
    6. As previously mentioned, handlebars are ridiculously short. Replaced with much longer and am loving it. They may be OK for the small frame.
    7. 20 spd has been working great. I am not missing the lower gear. It makes you ride differently by not allowing you to drop into a granny gear which I try not to do anyway. Granny gears, in my opinion, are an inefficient use of time. The lack of lower gears turns you into a better, and faster, rider in my opinion. The top end gearing has been perfectly fine for me, it is actually better than my old 27 spd.
    8. Weight with eggbeater 2 pedals was around 29lbs. I weighed it on my meat grinding scale which is certainly not calibrated, so give it plus or minus a lb.
    9. The initial ride felt weird simply due to the increased frame and tire size. After multiple rides everything feels great.
    10. Uphill riding is OK, although I feel the larger tire with more rotational mass can definitely tire you out on a long (>5 mile) steep uphill. I will probably look into lighter tires in a year or two.
    11. Downhill riding is obviously great compared to my 26' HT.
    12. Front shock has been working great. I leave it locked on the uphills and open on the downhills,
    13. Rear shock seems really smooth too. I have it set at 1.5" sag, which is less than most, but I like it a bit stiffer as I like uphills more than downhills. I do flip the gate to the left for the downhills which helps out a bit. Pedal bob, with gate to the right, is unnoticeable. It is not nonexistent, but is not impeding my uphill progress.


    All for now

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    Great input thanks guys!

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    So, I zipp tied a second bottle cage on the underside of the downtube, and backed it up with gorilla tape. It works great, and looks like ****. That's fine with me. I hate wearing a camelback and don't mine my bike looking like a dusty, well used, if unfashionable, practical steed. Plus it reminds the world how Motobecane skimped on this feature.

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    Anyone tried to remove the stickers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    Anyone tried to remove the stickers?
    Here are three threads concerning decal removal.


    http://forums.mtbr.com/motobecane/i-...es-639978.html
    http://forums.mtbr.com/motobecane/ho...er-638411.html
    http://forums.mtbr.com/motobecane/mo...ds-524365.html

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    Yeah was just hoping the new one didn't have a clear over the stickers. To bad looks like its the same as the others.

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    I now have several rides under my belt on my FS 29er. Coming from a 2008 Rockhopper I can honestly say that I am very impressed. The bike feels great under me and the components on the bike are noticeably smoother than faster working than those on the RH. I find that I receive full travel from both the fork and rear suspension. Both of these feels very smooth and have enough adjustments to leave me a very happy customer. My only complaint is the lack of a rear lockout.

    Since I have gotten this bike I have heard people talk about the larger frames of 29er bikes and I think that too many people don't realize that you MUST get a smaller size than what you may have been riding on a 26. I've ridden Specialized, Trek, and now MB in the 29er and the frames are all quite larger. I am 5'8, 32' inseam and I've always liked 17" bikes. The 15.5 (I believe) MB 29er fits absolutely perfect. I find that I can easily throw the bike around in tight places while still taking full advantage of that huge tire.

    I can easily say that I do not regret this buy. Awesome bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoric52 View Post
    Since I have gotten this bike I have heard people talk about the larger frames of 29er bikes and I think that too many people don't realize that you MUST get a smaller size than what you may have been riding on a 26. I've ridden Specialized, Trek, and now MB in the 29er and the frames are all quite larger. I am 5'8, 32' inseam and I've always liked 17" bikes. The 15.5 (I believe) MB 29er fits absolutely perfect. I find that I can easily throw the bike around in tight places while still taking full advantage of that huge tire.

    I can easily say that I do not regret this buy. Awesome bike!

    Sounds like the few reviews we're getting are pretty positive. I would have to disagree with the comment that you MUST order a size smaller than a 26" bike. Wheel size should have no impact on what size bike to purchase. My 26" bike is a large, my 29" hardtail is an XL, the only reason I don't own this bike right now is because they frames are too small in my opinion.

    Top tube length and standover height should mean a lot more than S,M,L or XL. While a size smaller was the best fit for you I'm sure there are many 26" bikes which a size smaller would be a better fit as well. All dimensions and geometry similar between a 26" and 29" bike there is no reason why one should go a size smaller because the wheels are bigger.

    Anyway back to the bike has anyone tried running the fork at 120mm yet? What about any word on additional sizes and frame only options?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoric52 View Post
    I now have several rides under my belt on my FS 29er. Coming from a 2008 Rockhopper I can honestly say that I am very impressed. The bike feels great under me and the components on the bike are noticeably smoother than faster working than those on the RH. I find that I receive full travel from both the fork and rear suspension. Both of these feels very smooth and have enough adjustments to leave me a very happy customer. My only complaint is the lack of a rear lockout.

    Since I have gotten this bike I have heard people talk about the larger frames of 29er bikes and I think that too many people don't realize that you MUST get a smaller size than what you may have been riding on a 26. I've ridden Specialized, Trek, and now MB in the 29er and the frames are all quite larger. I am 5'8, 32' inseam and I've always liked 17" bikes. The 15.5 (I believe) MB 29er fits absolutely perfect. I find that I can easily throw the bike around in tight places while still taking full advantage of that huge tire.

    I can easily say that I do not regret this buy. Awesome bike!





    One needn't get a smaller size frame when going to a 29er, this is one of those internet fairy tales that must be squashed. ETT sizing and reach is still the correct criteria to use when choosing frame sizes.

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    Agreed that size shouldn't change depending on a 29er wheels. That said the motos do have a high stand over for their top tube length. I ordered one for the wife and got it put together yesterday bike is really impressive just looking at it but until we get it on the trail tomorrow I will hold judgement. That said she has ridden it around a parking lot just to fine tune some things and it is tall for only having 100mm of travel I noticed the BB is high as well. This is all in comparison to a 2011 Stumpy FSR which is know to have a notoriously low BB. But at the end of the day she isn't a racer and it may all work out in the end. Time will tell. To me all the guys that get on here and hate on BD bikes even though they haven't spent any time on one is crazy. I could justify the cost of one of these bikes so I ordered one up and we are looking forward to really giving it a run for the money. Who knows I may regret it but at the end of the day I will be honest about it and let write a real review of what you get for your money...

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    There have been few remarks about the fork being 15mm through axel, when the bike was advertised as a 20mm.

    I've gone back to my 29er ti hardtail for a few rides, and one of the biggest differences I find is the fork. The through axel Reba is way more stable than the conventional Reba on the ti 29er. I have not ridden a 20 mm fork, but the 15mm one sent is a definite upgrade over the forks on the ti bikes.

    Other than that, I guess I'm a glass half full guy---the bikes are different, both good. On the FS I love the smooth ride, on the ti hardtail I love the light quick ride. Which one is a better bike depends on where you ride.

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    Wife did some fire roads today for only 10miles but she like the bike a lot so far. One thing I noticed right away was that the rear of the bike is HEAVY. The linkages are beefy and heavy causing it to feel this way. Havent got it on a scale yet but her SLX/xT build is over 30lb for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    Wife did some fire roads today for only 10miles but she like the bike a lot so far. One thing I noticed right away was that the rear of the bike is HEAVY. The linkages are beefy and heavy causing it to feel this way. Havent got it on a scale yet but her SLX/xT build is over 30lb for sure.
    The bike is a bit heavy. I put my stock small XTR 20 (just added basic SPD pedals M520? I think) on the scale at the LBS and it weighed in at 29.5lbs. I guess it could be a lot worse.
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    I am sure that the wheels are a big reason. So that will be the first upgrade, as it is on most bikes. But the frame has to be heavy since the other build spec is so light. She has a strong motor so she will be fine but for others I just wanted to give a heads up...

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    That is heavy considering the parts

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    Rear Brake Problems

    As mentioned before, on my third ride the rear brake started pulsing very badly. The LBS looked it over, said they could not find anything wrong (rotor was true), and put a new rotor on. Worked great for another 5 or so rides and now it is grinding badly. Took it back to the LBS and they said it was the pads. Put new pads on it felt good for about 10 minutes on the first ride and then it started grinding again.

    I'm at a loss right now. I'm wondering if it could be the brake itself, the hub or drivetrain. Any thoughts from the board?

    By the way it is still ride-able. Did my first race ever this morning and besides the grinding (which during the race caused some rear tire hoping) the bike worked well. The tight single track trees were a little tough with such a large bike but it performed well nonetheless.

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    The bike does sound heavy for the specs. Any chance of somebody weighing frame only when they're putting their bike together? It sounds like the frame has to weigh in around 7lbs or so???

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    Quote Originally Posted by littletogo View Post
    As mentioned before, on my third ride the rear brake started pulsing very badly. The LBS looked it over, said they could not find anything wrong (rotor was true), and put a new rotor on. Worked great for another 5 or so rides and now it is grinding badly. Took it back to the LBS and they said it was the pads. Put new pads on it felt good for about 10 minutes on the first ride and then it started grinding again.

    I'm at a loss right now. I'm wondering if it could be the brake itself, the hub or drivetrain. Any thoughts from the board?

    By the way it is still ride-able. Did my first race ever this morning and besides the grinding (which during the race caused some rear tire hoping) the bike worked well. The tight single track trees were a little tough with such a large bike but it performed well nonetheless.
    If they are avid brakes just get used to it. Every set of Elixer brakes I have had do the same thing. Do a search and you will see it is a common problem.

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    Bummer on the brakes. Guess I'll get used to the Elixer grind or maybe get new brakes in a year or so. Any recommendations on good quality brakes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by littletogo View Post
    Bummer on the brakes. Guess I'll get used to the Elixer grind or maybe get new brakes in a year or so. Any recommendations on good quality brakes?
    My friend at the shop said avid knows about the problem and they are fixing it. I had the same problem and I got some EBC green stuff pads and it stopped. Plus the braking power with the green stuff pads is great and they last a long time.

    Downhill Brake Pads - Green Formula

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    Thanks jpeters! I'll may give them a try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littletogo View Post
    As mentioned before, on my third ride the rear brake started pulsing very badly. The LBS looked it over, said they could not find anything wrong (rotor was true), and put a new rotor on. Worked great for another 5 or so rides and now it is grinding badly. Took it back to the LBS and they said it was the pads. Put new pads on it felt good for about 10 minutes on the first ride and then it started grinding again.

    I'm at a loss right now. I'm wondering if it could be the brake itself, the hub or drivetrain. Any thoughts from the board?

    By the way it is still ride-able. Did my first race ever this morning and besides the grinding (which during the race caused some rear tire hoping) the bike worked well. The tight single track trees were a little tough with such a large bike but it performed well nonetheless.
    Avid sucks. I got rid of the last pair I have had. Get Shimano. New 2012 XT are awesome, and even the Deore ones should be pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Avid sucks. I got rid of the last pair I have had. Get Shimano. New 2012 XT are awesome, and even the Deore ones should be pretty good.
    I agree shimano is the best but it is a big investment. Avid brakes are good its just you need to have good pads I have had bad luck with lots of stock pads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpeters View Post
    I agree shimano is the best but it is a big investment. Avid brakes are good its just you need to have good pads I have had bad luck with lots of stock pads.
    If you remove Avids when new and sell them (somebody will bite), and then order Shimano on Ebay, added expense is small to none.

    On my Fly Ti I have sold brakes and crankset (spiffy Juicy Ultimate and carbon FSAs that do not perform as well as they sound) and got what I wanted - and earned a bit of money. Stock pads on 2012 XT and Formula RX that I currently use work flawlessly.

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    Hello,

    Have a question about sizing on the Moto Fantom FS 29.

    I am 5'8" and inseam is about 30 inches. I have tried other 29 niner bikes in Cannondale and specialized and medium size fits well.

    Would you recommend a Medium or Small in the Motobecane FS 29?

    Would you recommend the SRAM or Shimano setup?

    Thanks for your recommendation

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    I would suggest the medium especially if you liked the medium in other bikes. The big difference is the Moto will have a slightly higher stand over than those bikes and a shorter top tube so it will feel different for sure. My wife and I both ride mediums me a Spesh Stumpjumper 29er FSR her the Moto FS 29 the Moto feels taller and more upright. The Spesh has a lower more stretched out feel.

    I like the SRAM stuff but I have to say the new XT/XTR stuff is very good. This is a personal decision no doubt.

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    No complaints about the XTR on my moto

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    Quote Originally Posted by avn06us View Post
    Hello,

    Have a question about sizing on the Moto Fantom FS 29.

    I am 5'8" and inseam is about 30 inches. I have tried other 29 niner bikes in Cannondale and specialized and medium size fits well.

    Would you recommend a Medium or Small in the Motobecane FS 29?

    Would you recommend the SRAM or Shimano setup?

    Thanks for your recommendation
    I would have to second the medium being best bet. A good option that's mentioned fairly regularly on here creating a spreadsheet comparing geometry between bikes you own, have tested and are looking at. Take into consideration your current bikes fit and your setup preferences (stem size/seat post length/ bars) Does you current bike feel too cramped? Do you feel stretched out? Is your seat too high? Do you have a problem with standover clearance? So on and so forth.

    I know the answer here is generally ride different bikes and buy what you feel comfortable on, but being that isn't really an option with the moto but personally the geometry can tell you just as much.

    As far as Sram v Shimano that is all preference, both are great options. I won't buy anything but Sram personally, but that is primarily because my bikes all have sram and I have a most drivetrain parts laying around to keep my bike rideable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avn06us View Post
    Hello,

    Have a question about sizing on the Moto Fantom FS 29.

    I am 5'8" and inseam is about 30 inches. I have tried other 29 niner bikes in Cannondale and specialized and medium size fits well.

    Would you recommend a Medium or Small in the Motobecane FS 29?

    Would you recommend the SRAM or Shimano setup?

    Thanks for your recommendation
    I'm actually about the same size as you. I'm 5'8.5 and have a 29 - 30 inch inseam. I ordered the medium, and it was a bit too big. The stock seat post wouldn't go down far enough. My legs were a little too extended at the full extension, and I could only touch the ground with the tips of my toes. If you compare the geometries (which I should have done before the fact), the medium Motobecane is actually closer in size to the Large Cannondale. (I demoed a medium Cannondale 29er, and thought that the medium Motobecane should work). Unfortunately, I ended up returning it, and they're out of smalls until November. I'm looking for a used bike or waiting until more come in stock.

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    Hey everybody,

    Thanks for the great input.

    It is awesome to get info/reccomendations from the more experienced riders out there.

    bobbyrj3d have you considered the motebecane bike with the SRAM set up? Motebecane currently has the small size available in the FS model?

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    I am about to pull the trigger on a new Fantom 29 FS. My only hold up is which model. Any pros/cons to the SRAM XO as opposed to the Shimano XTR? Let me no before I change my mind and end up with a GF HiFi Plus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddog11 View Post
    I am about to pull the trigger on a new Fantom 29 FS. My only hold up is which model. Any pros/cons to the SRAM XO as opposed to the Shimano XTR? Let me no before I change my mind and end up with a GF HiFi Plus.


    It's personal preference really> FWIW the Hi Fi will pedal better.

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    Have you ridden a Moto FS back to back with a Hifi? If so I would like to hear your thoughts on the ride with the Moto and how it compared.

    I have and the difference in pedaling efficiency would not ever be noticed by MOST riders. The Moto is a simple ripoff of the most efficient faux bar bikes. Don't get me wrong I prefer the geo of the Hifi but the Moto is not the bobbing machine most thought it would be. That has been my experience after buying one for myself to find out. That said the Hifi is a very nice bike but for the money the Moto is the way to go. Just my 0.02.

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    I am 5'7" and really glad i got the small. felt a lot bigger than my previous 26er 17" hardtail. I did have to cut the post down some but now its rockin. I love the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    Have you ridden a Moto FS back to back with a Hifi? If so I would like to hear your thoughts on the ride with the Moto and how it compared.

    I have and the difference in pedaling efficiency would not ever be noticed by MOST riders. The Moto is a simple ripoff of the most efficient faux bar bikes. Don't get me wrong I prefer the geo of the Hifi but the Moto is not the bobbing machine most thought it would be. That has been my experience after buying one for myself to find out. That said the Hifi is a very nice bike but for the money the Moto is the way to go. Just my 0.02.



    How about the brake jack and the bobbing while pedaling in the small ring? I have ridden them, I do not make it a habit of posting about things that I do not have first hand knowledge of. The moto fanbois just cannot stand it when a better alternative is offered up. The Hi Fi is a better ride in all manners including pedaling and lack of brake jack, can the moto claim that? No. The Hi Fi also stays active when hammering out of the saddle in the big ring, can you say that about the moto? No, I didn't think so. You said it all with this "The Moto is a simple ripoff". Buy good stuff the first time, you won't be disappointed.

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    I'm in no way a Moto fanboy and I wasn't questioning your expertise I was ASKING for it if you reread my post. I have always respected your input in threads and I know that like me you have followed the Moto FS threads.

    I agree the Hifi is a better design as I said. But for the money the Moto is a very capable ride. No it's not as refined but that said I think, and again this is just one mans opinion, that most would be very happy to ride this bike especially when it costs the same as many HT bikes.

    Yes it's a copy but of a proven basic design and who cares? At this price point I don't think anyone is expecting cutting edge if you want that Spesh sells a really nice $8k Epic.

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    And I forgot to mention the very odd geometry of the moto, not only is it a copy, it's a poorly thought out copy. And yes, many people do care if it is a blatant rip off of someone else's design. Don't try to use price point as an excuse for the shoddy design, you do a disservice to everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avn06us View Post
    Hey everybody,

    Thanks for the great input.

    It is awesome to get info/reccomendations from the more experienced riders out there.

    bobbyrj3d have you considered the motebecane bike with the SRAM set up? Motebecane currently has the small size available in the FS model?
    I actually ordered the SRAM setup in medium because the Shimano setup was out at the time. Shifting was smooth and wonderful. However, I have pretty small hands, and, as such, hitting the rear triggers on the dual thumb shifters was difficult for me. I've decided that I prefer Shimano shifters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avn06us View Post
    Would you recommend a Medium or Small in the Motobecane FS 29?

    Would you recommend the SRAM or Shimano setup?
    Medium, with a shorter then stock stem and Shimano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    And I forgot to mention the very odd geometry of the moto, not only is it a copy, it's a poorly thought out copy. And yes, many people do care if it is a blatant rip off of someone else's design. Don't try to use price point as an excuse for the shoddy design, you do a disservice to everyone.
    Geometry does not seem odd to me at all. But I did not ride it - the FS 29r. I do ride my Fly Ti a lot though, and it is very nice. No, I do not care at all if it is a rip off. Everybody borrows in the industry, I think it is a good thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    How about the brake jack and the bobbing while pedaling in the small ring? I have ridden them, I do not make it a habit of posting about things that I do not have first hand knowledge of. The moto fanbois just cannot stand it when a better alternative is offered up. The Hi Fi is a better ride in all manners including pedaling and lack of brake jack, can the moto claim that? No. The Hi Fi also stays active when hammering out of the saddle in the big ring, can you say that about the moto? No, I didn't think so. You said it all with this "The Moto is a simple ripoff". Buy good stuff the first time, you won't be disappointed.
    Some people rag on Ventana in exactly the same way. Ventanas ride just fine. So does Kona. This suspension design works just fine for anybody who does not obsess over it.
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    I never thought it would be so difficult to buy a new Mountain bike. These days there are so many choices which is both good and bad. Then you start using the internet to research/ask questions and you get even more overload. I went into this with an open mind and just wanted the best bang for the buck. I went out and thought I wanted a 26er but hell the LBS around my area carry almost zero of those, all 29ers theses days. So I researched it and so went all in on getting a 29er. Went back out and rode the Giant Anthem( loved the bike but the thing turns like a 18 wheeler or tractor, it wasn't very nimble) then rode a Niner (I thought it was good but not $3k good) then went to the Specialized Camber Elite( it was ok but didn't feel comfortable) next I went to a Trek concept store( man the owner reminded me of the Soup Nazi on Seinfeld but for bikes) I rode the HiFi Plus and liked it felt good. The downside are the lower end components and the price he wants $2200 plus tax (i.e. $2400 out the door). So that is when I looked at the MB 29er. I have a friend with an older 26er and he loves it. I tried to ride it but he has a small and I'm a large so of course I felt cramped. I have been back and forth so much that my mind is about to blow and it is even harder because the MB Fantom 29ers are new and there are not many in detail reviews. I think I should just do a blind draw from a hat to decide. I thought buying a bike should be exciting turns out to be depressing, just kidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    And I forgot to mention the very odd geometry of the moto, not only is it a copy, it's a poorly thought out copy. And yes, many people do care if it is a blatant rip off of someone else's design. Don't try to use price point as an excuse for the shoddy design, you do a disservice to everyone.
    I think this is not the bike for you But none of us including me can decide what bike will work best for others. 100%

    Like I said this is a great budget FS29er to say the geometry is odd is very subjective. If you have a long torso and/or long arms then the top tube length would feel short BUT if you are the other way around then it might be the perfect fit. So as with fit what is "odd" for one is perfect for another.

    Define how this is a ripoff? 4 bar design is not under patent protection in its basic form any more. No one is "ripping" anyone off with this design no more than Ventana, Kona, Ellsworth or any other bike company that uses the 4 bar design.

    I guess if you feel it is a shoddy design then you would not want to buy it. For many though I think they would feel that this is far from shoddy design. Cutting edge... nope. But shoddy? Far from it. If anything the frame is actually over built in my opinion. (read heavy)

    Look I ride a 2011 Spesh Stumpy FSR 29er currently (I have had all manner of expensive big name bikes) my friends all call me a bike snob so personally I am not coming from a place where price drives my decision on what I will ride.

    I think it is only fair to share with others what the bike it actually like... on a forum. If you are a Trek guy or a Spesh guy or whatever then stick with what you like but for someone who likes to mix it up or who wants to get a budget FS 29er then this would be a burly budget ride to consider.

    That said a lot of folks will find a ton of bang for your buck with this bike.
    Hope everyone has a good ride this weekend! I can't wait to get more negative rep from posting this in a Moto thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    . And yes, many people do care if it is a blatant rip off of someone else's design. .
    Darn right I care. Trek tried to screw me out of a warrenty issue one time until I said I'd send the welds to the tubing manufacture. Their subsidy Fisher made a blatently defective Paragon frame, which easily cracked near the seatpost. They told me it wasn't defective design, but they changed it for some reason, and the internet is full of stories of them breaking repeatedly.

    Along comes Motobecane, cloning the major manufacturers, selling bikes at a far better price, and offering honorable service. I consider it my duty as a consumer to bring my business to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    I think this is not the bike for you But none of us including me can decide what bike will work best for others. 100%
    Are you suggesting this bike is not for me or not for AZ.MTNS?

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    There never is a shortage of suckers to buy the worst crap at the cheapest price, just look at the number of dollar stores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddog11 View Post
    Are you suggesting this bike is not for me or not for AZ.MTNS?
    Well its not for anyone who doesn't want it...

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    Quite annoying how BD haters come in here and try to preach their opinions. There are plenty of happy BD owners. If you don't like BD, just stay out of the Motobecane forums. Pretty simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    Have you ridden a Moto FS back to back with a Hifi? If so I would like to hear your thoughts on the ride with the Moto and how it compared.

    I have and the difference in pedaling efficiency would not ever be noticed by MOST riders. The Moto is a simple ripoff of the most efficient faux bar bikes. Don't get me wrong I prefer the geo of the Hifi but the Moto is not the bobbing machine most thought it would be. That has been my experience after buying one for myself to find out. That said the Hifi is a very nice bike but for the money the Moto is the way to go. Just my 0.02.




    Boy, you overdosed on the BD koolaid for sure.

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    Well,

    Thanks again for everybody's input. I am purchasing a Moto FS SRAM Small size tonight.

    I probably would not have ordered without everybody's insightful input listed above. MTBR is an awesome website.

    Special thanks to: subspd, bobbyrj3d, motoman427 for your reccomendations.

    Thanks again and will let everybody know how the bike turns out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lardo View Post
    Quite annoying how BD haters come in here and try to preach their opinions. There are plenty of happy BD owners. If you don't like BD, just stay out of the Motobecane forums. Pretty simple.
    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadie scum View Post
    Boy, you overdosed on the BD koolaid for sure.
    It is cheaper and less obnoxious then one from big manufacturers'.

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    Mtbing should be about sharing a common interest, not about focusing on what someone uses to enjoy the sport.

    Thanks

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    I think the 'Haterz' feel an obligation to 'save' people from themselves.

    In other circles, they call that being 'Christian'.

    I'll probably go somewhere 'hot' for that remark.

    Admittedly, i'm a brand 'ho. I'll buy anything....even Motobecanes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    It is cheaper and less obnoxious then one from big manufacturers'.
    All I have to say is at least its not a Speshy

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    after reading numerous moto threads on here over the past few months, i just decided to pick one up.i especially love reading posts from BD haters... i went with the Ti fantom 29er with the X9 build. living in japan kind of limits what i can buy, and after looking at whats available locally for the same price, i couldnt pass up the moto. i will probably see it some time in december though, since i had to use the shipitAPO service to get it sent to me.

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    Der. hangers

    Have you ordered spare der. hangers yet? Because I did and got the wrong one. I have sent them email and hope for the best.

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    I am always blown away by the amount of tension and hate that comes along with the MB brand. I've heard everything from "they suck" for every imaginable reason to they are rip offs of other mountain bike brands. I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion and some just feel the need to more blatantly express their hatred than others.

    Bottom line for me? I purchased the XTR med sized and ended up returning it for a small sized. I'm 5'8 with a 31" inseam. The bike fits like a glove and I couldn't be happier.

    I've had my Motobecane for two months now and I've had more time in the dirt than ever before. The bike feels wonderful under me and handles much more agile than I expected coming from a 26". I'm just plain having fun and not worrying myself to death about how my bike compares to some other guy's $5000 bike. I'm just having FUN. Isn't that what really matters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slydator View Post
    Have you ordered spare der. hangers yet? Because I did and got the wrong one. I have sent them email and hope for the best.
    i ordered 1 spare with the bike, so we will see which one they sent when it arrives. so far though, BD has been super easy to deal with. emails are promptly answered, and when i talked to a clerk about the ship to address, she couldnt have been nicer...all good stuff in my book.

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    I don't understand all of the hating because alu bike frames are relatively inexpensive what costs all of the money are the parts. If you look at a BD upper end bikes they have a great parts list if you add it up just the group sets are worth the price paid in most cases. So if you don't like the frame no biggie you just get a new one later for a couple of hundred bucks and you still have a bad ass bike with a top notch build. This bike here is a great looking bike and its almost road bike light 9 kilos.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jpeters View Post
    I don't understand all of the hating because alu bike frames are relatively inexpensive what costs all of the money are the parts. If you look at a BD upper end bikes they have a great parts list if you add it up just the group sets are worth the price paid in most cases. So if you don't like the frame no biggie you just get a new one later for a couple of hundred bucks and you still have a bad ass bike with a top notch build. This bike here is a great looking bike and its almost road bike light 9 kilos.


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    Do you own one of those? How long? Upgrades? How were the wheels? How many miles have you put on it?

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    I own one and normally the wife rides it but since I'm in-between FS bikes right now as I wait on my Niner WFO to come in I went and put 10miles on her XT build Moto.

    This is not my normal type of bike to ride as it leans very heavily to a XC bike not a trail/AM bike. My impressions are that as we all know the top tube feels short for how tall the bottom bracket / stand over is.

    This bike can climb though. Maybe it's I'm just not used to such a steep head angle but it pedals really well. Especially out of the saddle you can crank on it and the front wheel stays DOWN, too much for me and my style of riding. With the RT3 rear shock pedal motion is very well controlled, as good as my stumpy FSR.

    Other gripe for me is the handlebars are stupid short. BUT my wife loves them she thinks they fit her perfectly.

    The bike is heavy to me it's funny it's setup as a XC bike but it's constructed like a DH tank. I'm sure a lighter wheelset would help that feeling. But even with the weight penalty I found my average speed and time around a local trail I frequent to be right in line with what I did it on my Stumpy.

    I think that if I could have it all in a 100mm travel bike I would prefer a Spearfish frame geo (low and aggressive) with the build spec of this bike. But if you like something that rides more upright then you will probably really like the geo on the Moto it's just a more relaxed ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott View Post
    There never is a shortage of suckers to buy the worst crap at the cheapest price, just look at the number of dollar stores.
    There are many people who do not want to pay top $ to enjoy this sport. When you are not contributing anything constructive to a thread well you are an ASS.

    Everybody else please continue to ride whatever makes you happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
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    The bike is heavy to me it's funny it's setup as a XC bike but it's constructed like a DH tank. I'm sure a lighter wheelset would help that feeling. But even with the weight penalty I found my average speed and time around a local trail I frequent to be right in line with what I did it on my Stumpy.

    .
    I thought it was a bit heavy too, but I saw MTB Action reviewed five $3000 29er FS bikes and this one would be second lightest. I'd prefer something lighter, but on the other hand, maybe this will be my first Al bike that doesn't break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott View Post
    There never is a shortage of suckers to buy the worst crap at the cheapest price, just look at the number of dollar stores.
    Yeah, I'm one of those. Looked for cheap stuff all my life, never minded if people considered it crap. Of course, I was able to retire at 42 to ski, bike, and travel. My wife and I have five Motos. (She was only suckered into the ti cyclocross bike and that crappy ti hardtail. Looking for a used 26" FS from somone who just had to upgrade to a 29er.)

    You think our bikes are crap, you should see our cars. (hint: no one wants a used mini van) Of course if you can stand driving one you might be able to quit your job sooner and go bike.

    PS We leave the stickers on. I'd hate someone to think I shelled out for a Moots or something.

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    ... and if we just ...

    I just did get the motobecane fs 29er xtr...and lemme tell ya...what a bike!...the thing is incredible...it has made the entire ST i ride way easier....get it on flatland and it just rolls and wants to go faster....barrels through just about anything causing a lot less speed loss...fast downhills are wayyy less sketchy and controlled...ruts rocks mud...it does it all better...it does take a lil more to get rolling and i have found steep uphills a bit harder if u r going really slow...but when u get em rolling fast enough it just goes...felt like i cut 5 minutes off my time the first ride out...and faster everyday since...ive only had it for 1 week now but so far so good...and i even got lucky and got the infamous turkey warble in the rear yay!...trying to work that out now cause it does blow...but the braking is fantastic otherwise...all in all this is the best bike i have ever ridden...now i havent ridden the whole slew but coming from a cannondale ht 26er to this is a night and day difference...ill admit it was a huge gamble to buy this bike but i sure am glad i did so far....ive been lurking here for a while and figured this was a good reason to put up my first post...ill update in the thread when i get more time on it.

    a couple more things i forgot to add...we did get the bike on the scale and the bike in the large frame weighs in at 29.4 lbs with shimano 520s mounted...which i am completely happy with....i can shed some weight when i get a new wheelset down the road....also we did try to go tubeless on the vuelta rims but the inner lip is just not big enough to hold the bead on securely...ive got some 24" tubes coming that ill split tube ghetto which should hold...but without the tubes it aint happening...we actually blew the wtb prowler off the rim trying to get it to seat... the other prowler running as a front gets good traction...slides out a bit in the mud but has always caught the side knobs for me so far.
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    Wife's XT build in medium came in at 30.1lbs

    Rear brake has the same problem. Is it the rotor that needs replaced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    Wife's XT build in medium came in at 30.1lbs

    Rear brake has the same problem. Is it the rotor that needs replaced?

    not sure yet trying to figure it out now...have readjusted the caliper...beveled the edges so far neither have helped...gonna try some thin rubber on the back of the pads next.

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    Thanks keep us posted if you are able to figure it out I need to do the same thing I was going to try sanding the rotor since it only seems to show when they warm up. Maybe it is a finish that is still on there from the factory?

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    Nah its an avid brake problem...i tried the rubber to no avail...theres a guy in the brake forum here that says he figured it out...gonna try his method cause im outta ideas besides getting new rotors and pads...which i do NOT wanna do.

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    Avid will replace the sintered pads with organic pads (which are much quieter) under warranty. You can either have an LBS file a claim or have BD do it.

    I had BD file the claim for me and they mailed me the organic pads in about a week

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    K ill call the lbs and see what they can do...cause im hatin the squeek bad...thx

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    I was able to get almost all the warble out by taking a washer from on top to bottom of caliper and raising the front side of the caliper just that lil bit...7 mile ride today only a very few squeeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoric52 View Post
    I received my XTR 20 today and put most of it together. I am just shy of 5'8 and this thing is absolutely HUGE! While looking for a FS 29er I test rode quite a few different bikes and medium was the perfect fit for every bike I rode. This bike, however, feels larger than a large size Specialized Stumpy 29er! I placed a shorter seat post on the bike, which is about two inches short than the one that comes with the bike, and it is about the right height. This leaves the seat far below the height of the handle bars though.

    Warning to anyone ordering this bike: Be sure to order one size smaller!

    Now I need to review BD's return policy!
    what size did you order that felt too large?

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    my experience with 20spd xtr over past three months

    Bike shipping was fast and went together easy.

    I haven't rode mtb in over 10yrs and figured was time to start again. I weigh 170lbs 5'10" 32 inseam with reach of average 6ft person and also ride motocross on KTM 520sx converted to 6spd.

    Breakdown:
    1)fit height was gd but felt stretched out too far with 120mm stem.
    Buddy had a thomson 90mm laying around for $40=solved

    2)going to 20spd was difficult at most extreme angle climb(step ups)
    First thought it my legs since hadn't had to pedal for so long. As my legs got stronger it
    turned out to be short length of bars for that extra umphh.
    Purchased Ritchy Carbon Rizer bars=solved

    3)Prowler SL's rolling resistance was sweet, traction sucked though climbing even while seated at 32psi. Hitting burms on single track DH wasn't confidence inspiring.

    a)Went ghetto tubeless using gorilla tape and stans valve stem at 28psi F&R. Difference was nite and day. Climbing was 80% there out of saddle still spun a little. Was still overshooting some burms by 6 inches or so instead of missing them all together.
    b) Reversed mounted the rear=solved
    c) Purchased Bronson 2.2 race for front at 28psi=solved( probably hitting things faster than my babies momma would care to know lol)

    4)Dialing in fork and rear shock pressures took me about 50 miles to figure where I like them. Pls note if you change your tire pressures you will be changing fork and rear shock too so be patient.
    Fork pos=110 neg=115
    Rear =165

    5) 150miles later started getting annoying creaking sound while pedaling hard.
    Turned out the rear shock bushings were assembled dry. Added silicone grease=solved

    All is gd now, 0 regrets. And by gd I mean after gauking at all the crazy prizes and attitudes at the LBS's around me(6) I decided to add a matching carbon seatpost and I've still undershot there prices by about 1200 dollars with lower grade components. I love biking so much again I started riding the trails to work 20miles round trip 2 days a week not including weekend adventures. Since I have been riding so much I decided to have Chad at Red Barn build me a Chris King Wheelset. Vuelta Freehub has been perfect but walking sucks. Now Red Barn is officially my LBS eventhough they are in Montana and I am in San Diego. I am a horrible at spelling and long winded worst combo ever.

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    @frcnducted What size is your MB 29er?

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    medium/47cm whoops!!! that was kinda important

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    So I emailed BikesDirect and found out that they are hoping to get a Ti FS 29er out in 2013. Lets hope it's sooner.
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    Hi,
    I have been thinking about buying the Fantom 29er FS as soon as they become available again.

    I have a few questions for those out there that already made their purchases:
    1. What other bikes are out there on the web that are comparable in features and price?

    2. Component Options - XT/SLX vs. XTR builds - Is the XTR really worth the extra $700? Looking for constructive comments here.

    I will be getting the largest frame size ( I am 6'5" and weigh 200 lbs). I am looking to use the bike where I can't take my sub 21 lb Hard Tail. So I am planning on Cross Country, and light All Mountain / Downhill. I also may race it on races the hard tail wouldn't perform well due to terrain.

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    Just a heads up, you can pre-order the 2012 Fantom FS 29ers now on Bikesdirect.com. I gots mine pre-ordered already. It says on the order page that prices will go up in 2012!
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    @Simonns Thanks for the notification! I just pre-ordered mine too. Excited for 2012 and new FS 29er adventures. -Nathan

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    The is one difference between the sram and shimano models

    Just a FYI I barely caught this before I purchased mine:

    The SRAM model has the Recon Silver fork and the Shimano has a Recon Gold. Not to sure what the exact diff is but a visit to SRAM website should clarify=)

    Cheers

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    Also, in case anyone was wondering, I emailed Bikes Direct and asked them if there were any changes between the 2011 and 2012 models and the reply was, no.
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    I'm about to pull the trigger but this will be a 2 months wait so I'm undecided...

    If the bike arrived the first days of January cool but what if it takes an extra month

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevocastro View Post
    I'm about to pull the trigger but this will be a 2 months wait so I'm undecided...

    If the bike arrived the first days of January cool but what if it takes an extra month



    Then it takes another month, ride your other bike in the mean time. If you really want this bike you won't mind the wait so much. Be patient.

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    Shimano spends so much on research and development I think for mid range Shimano

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    The gold is a bit lighter then the silver recon

    just an update got about 500 miles on the moto now and has taken all the beating i have handed it...rocks roots some super fast technical downhils...slow hard technical uphills it does it all and couldnt be happier with it...have even been running tubeless in the rear for over 250 miles now without a problem...great bike.

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    Heyo, I'm about 5'8", with a 30-31" Inseam, but my small GT Peace 9r feels tiny! Should I go for the Medium or stick with small?

    Does anyone have both bikes? Or is anyone better with geo spec comparisons?

    This is my first time coming out of lurking here, so hello as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shaggybiker View Post
    The gold is a bit lighter then the silver recon

    just an update got about 500 miles on the moto now and has taken all the beating i have handed it...rocks roots some super fast technical downhils...slow hard technical uphills it does it all and couldnt be happier with it...have even been running tubeless in the rear for over 250 miles now without a problem...great bike.
    Thats good to hear. I've got big plans for this bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frcnducted View Post

    3)Prowler SL's rolling resistance was sweet, traction sucked though climbing even while seated at 32psi. Hitting burms on single track DH wasn't confidence inspiring.

    a)Went ghetto tubeless using gorilla tape and stans valve stem at 28psi F&R. Difference was nite and day. Climbing was 80% there out of saddle still spun a little. Was still overshooting some burms by 6 inches or so instead of missing them all together.
    b) Reversed mounted the rear=solved
    c) Purchased Bronson 2.2 race for front at 28psi=solved( probably hitting things faster than my babies momma would care to know lol)
    I went through a similar sequence with the WTB Prowler. I thought it had acceptable traction reversed, but the few knobs it had rounded over in no time. I replaced it with a 2.25 Racing Ralph and the difference is amazing---new confidence powering up steeps out of saddle!

    Those Prowlers are too small for the front, too slick for the rear. I have a couple for sale, one never used, if anyone finds they like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icyrice View Post
    Heyo, I'm about 5'8", with a 30-31" Inseam, but my small GT Peace 9r feels tiny! Should I go for the Medium or stick with small?

    Does anyone have both bikes? Or is anyone better with geo spec comparisons?

    This is my first time coming out of lurking here, so hello as well.
    You should probably post this in the 29er forum or the GT forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ljsmith View Post
    You should probably post this in the 29er forum or the GT forum.
    I posted here because it is the size of the Motobecane that I am interested in, so I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

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    Thank you for all the info on this thread. Its been very helpful.

    Im a pretty novice rider and dont want to spend too much on a new bike. Been biking about a year. My budget was about 2000-2250.. Rock n Road in irvine had a 2010 Stumpjumper FSR comp 29 i was looking at for 2500. all the specs seem quite a bit lower than the MOTO except for the fork. Im currently using an 05 Stumpjumper FSR that i will probably keep (got a great deal from a friend who got into road biking).

    Has anyone had experience with the 2010-2012 stumpjumper fsr in camparison to the Moto?? The Stumpjumper seems like it has more travel 120 vs 100. Does that make a big difference?

    BikePedia - 2011 Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29er Complete Bicycle

    Thanks for any help.

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    Missing Images of the FS Moto 29

    Ok, I may have missed the thread, but I haven't seen many pics of the FS Moto 29er on the forums. Any reason???? I'd like to see an FS all mtn version 29er. Anyone else like to see that as well???

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    ....still waiting on delivery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simonns View Post
    ....still waiting on delivery.
    yay. I'll be putting it together tonight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by finny1999 View Post
    Sounds like the few reviews we're getting are pretty positive. I would have to disagree with the comment that you MUST order a size smaller than a 26" bike. Wheel size should have no impact on what size bike to purchase. My 26" bike is a large, my 29" hardtail is an XL, the only reason I don't own this bike right now is because they frames are too small in my opinion.

    Top tube length and standover height should mean a lot more than S,M,L or XL. While a size smaller was the best fit for you I'm sure there are many 26" bikes which a size smaller would be a better fit as well. All dimensions and geometry similar between a 26" and 29" bike there is no reason why one should go a size smaller because the wheels are bigger.

    Anyway back to the bike has anyone tried running the fork at 120mm yet? What about any word on additional sizes and frame only options?
    Amen..... True

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    Quote Originally Posted by trickten View Post
    So I emailed BikesDirect and found out that they are hoping to get a Ti FS 29er out in 2013. Lets hope it's sooner.
    Did they tell you what's going to be the MSRP on them ti 29er full suspension bikes? I hope it's sooner too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finny1999 View Post
    I would have to second the medium being best bet. A good option that's mentioned fairly regularly on here creating a spreadsheet comparing geometry between bikes you own, have tested and are looking at. Take into consideration your current bikes fit and your setup preferences (stem size/seat post length/ bars) Does you current bike feel too cramped? Do you feel stretched out? Is your seat too high? Do you have a problem with standover clearance? So on and so forth.

    I know the answer here is generally ride different bikes and buy what you feel comfortable on, but being that isn't really an option with the moto but personally the geometry can tell you just as much.

    As far as Sram v Shimano that is all preference, both are great options. I won't buy anything but Sram personally, but that is primarily because my bikes all have sram and I have a most drivetrain parts laying around to keep my bike rideable.
    I have never had Shimano shift good in the mud and I have never ever had a problem with Sram shifting in the mud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idinomac View Post
    I have never had Shimano shift good in the mud and I have never ever had a problem with Sram shifting in the mud.
    Ever since the Shadow redesign I greatly prefer Shimano.

    And now they have pretty similar cable pull ratio. SRAM got smaller pull in 10sp, and Shimano got bigger one.

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    where are the pic.and has anybody blinged one out yet with a lighter wheelset,tires,seat post,stem. do you guys think you could get one down to 25lbs..

    I have been hearing some of you talking about a ti Moto FS is going to happen?
    Thanks Dino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idinomac View Post
    where are the pic.and has anybody blinged one out yet with a lighter wheelset,tires,seat post,stem. do you guys think you could get one down to 25lbs..

    I have been hearing some of you talking about a ti Moto FS is going to happen?
    Thanks Dino.
    I am going to be building up some tubeless wheels for it in the near future, just waiting on the funds. I don't know about 25lbs though....
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    Another quick update:
    Lately been doing a lot more climbing 5miles and a lot longer and strained my knees a little with 2x10 42,30t.
    FSA is a PITA with 386, cant find chainrings anywhere instock. So my solution I found a FSA Comet 2x10 39,27t for under $100 shipped. The Comet large chainrings are a little less than 1mm thinner than Afterburner. So you will need to shim under the crank arm bolt same amount and trim the pin on large chainring since the back of the Comets crank arm is concave. So far all is gd but 386 had my mind spinning for awhile. The one other plus side at least I have a spare BB when needed.

    Hope this helps,
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    Quote Originally Posted by idinomac View Post
    where are the pic.and has anybody blinged one out yet with a lighter wheelset,tires,seat post,stem. do you guys think you could get one down to 25lbs..

    I have been hearing some of you talking about a ti Moto FS is going to happen?
    Thanks Dino.

    I think it would take a lot of weight shaving to get an aluminum Moto 29er down to 25 lbs. I have two of them (a med for me, a small for my girlfriend) and I'm guessing they're around 28 lbs depending on tires. I don't really have a good accurate scale for that so my calculations were more from how much each component change saved me in weight. Mine has Stans Arch wheels/Industry 9 hubs, Chris King bottom bracket, carbon bars, lighter seat, etc. Hers has Stans Arch/Hope Pro II and just a few things to add bling but no weight savings. Both are converted to 2 x 10. Right now, I'm running 2.4 Ardents/2.35 Rampages but when I when run the 2.25 Rocket Rons/2.4 Racing Ralphs, I can shed about a lb. I don't really have any great pics. This one is when I was assembling hers out of the box. Mine is in the background.
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    Heres mine blinged out...its got a wider trutativ bar on the front a kore 90mm stem and running two sets of sun ringles tubeless...one charger experts and the other black flags. In this pic im runnin a charger rear with a conti race king and the front is a black flag with a kenda slant six...its currently at just under 28.5 lbs...it was 29.4 lbs with pedals out of the box. Im guessing with both flags and race kings its nearer to 28lbs. could shave another half pound with lighter pedals currently running heavy shimano spd m550 pedals. the sunringles dropped a pound from stock. could have lost another pound with a lighter wheelset but im pretty heavy and need a beefier wheel. And could lose some weight with a lighter tire set. Not sure if you could get it down to 25 lbs but thats something im not real concerned about.



    I plan on removing the spacer to get the full 120mm travel out of the front fork...cause this bike is going out to Moab in april to get a proper flogging and I got a feeling im gonna need all the travel I can get out there.
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    Here is pic stripped down to raw still waiting for new decals and have to put the badge back on. As far as weight goes I was at 27.38lbs with a Bronson(F)Nano(R). The new Spesh tires weighed in at 195g heavier so I would have to agree 28lbs seems to be typical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CLMcLovin View Post
    I think it would take a lot of weight shaving to get an aluminum 29er down to 25 lbs. I have two of them (a med for me, a small for my girlfriend) and I'm guessing they're around 28 lbs depending on tires. I don't really have a good accurate scale for that so my calculations were more from how much each component change saved me in weight. Mine has Stans Arch wheels/Industry 9 hubs, Chris King bottom bracket, carbon bars, lighter seat, etc. Hers has Stans Arch/Hope Pro II and just a few things to add bling but no weight savings. Both are converted to 2 x 10. Right now, I'm running 2.4 Ardents/2.35 Rampages but when I when run the 2.25 Rocket Rons/2.4 Racing Ralphs, I can shed about a lb. I don't really have any great pics. This one is when I was assembling hers out of the box. Mine is in the background.
    Yeah some guys are getting the Salsa Spearfish and the 9er Jet9 down to 24&25 lbs but that is lighter riders like myself hell I can get a 1340 gram wheelset for racing but it ant going to last to long,I'm building a FS 29 er are buying one for a big race this year and I'm not sponsored so I'm looking to save money it cost alot to just go do like four endurnces races. 25lb FS 29 is my target I have a 22lb HT but if I where to just have one bike I'll take a FS 29er.. you guys sure have some nice bikes 27&28lbs isn't bad at all for even some local 12 &24 hr racing and you guys that have the 2011 rock shox rebas you can turn them to 120mm but the 2012s you can't do it they are only 80mm &100mm.

    any how BD is all out of the Sram XO build right now does anybody know when they are going to restock them?
    Thanks everybody and keep the pic coming!

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    Quote Originally Posted by idinomac View Post
    Yeah some guys are getting the Salsa Spearfish and the 9er Jet9 down to 24&25 lbs but that is lighter riders like myself hell I can get a 1340 gram wheelset for racing but it ant going to last to long,I'm building a FS 29 er are buying one for a big race this year and I'm not sponsored so I'm looking to save money it cost alot to just go do like four endurnces races. 25lb FS 29 is my target I have a 22lb HT but if I where to just have one bike I'll take a FS 29er.. you guys sure have some nice bikes 27&28lbs isn't bad at all for even some local 12 &24 hr racing and you guys that have the 2011 rock shox rebas you can turn them to 120mm but the 2012s you can't do it they are only 80mm &100mm.

    any how BD is all out of the Sram XO build right now does anybody know when they are going to restock them?
    Thanks everybody and keep the pic coming!
    I edited my post above...when I mentioned it might be tough getting a 29er FS down to 25 lbs, I was only referring to the Moto. Again, it's still probably possible but like you mentioned I don't know how durable it would be with super light wheels, etc. I have the Recon Silver forks (which btw can go to 120mm) but if you switched to the Recon Gold or another fork, you could save some more weight there. I have no intentions of racing or anything like that so these bike are perfect for us. I know some people dog on them, but we absolutely love ours and they fit us very well. I think they're more impressive looking in person and when you ride them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by idinomac View Post
    Yeah some guys are getting the Salsa Spearfish and the 9er Jet9 down to 24&25 lbs but that is lighter riders like myself hell I can get a 1340 gram wheelset for racing but it ant going to last to long,I'm building a FS 29 er are buying one for a big race this year and I'm not sponsored so I'm looking to save money it cost alot to just go do like four endurnces races. 25lb FS 29 is my target I have a 22lb HT but if I where to just have one bike I'll take a FS 29er.. you guys sure have some nice bikes 27&28lbs isn't bad at all for even some local 12 &24 hr racing and you guys that have the 2011 rock shox rebas you can turn them to 120mm but the 2012s you can't do it they are only 80mm &100mm.

    any how BD is all out of the Sram XO build right now does anybody know when they are going to restock them?
    Thanks everybody and keep the pic coming!
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    Shaggy, I did try and they only have smalls right now. I think what I'm going to do is get a Salsa Spearfish 1 frame and take my Sram xo Salsa Mamasita thats only a few years old and put everything form that bike to the SF frame and in the spring I'll swap out everything from the Haro Ally to the Mamasita. thanks guys.

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    First trail ride.

    I went for a ride on my Fantom 29er4BY4 COMP Shimano XT/SLX 30 Shimano DynaSys, 3x10 Speed 29er Full Suspension Mountain Bikes - MTB - 2011 Motobecane Fantom 29er | Shimano DynaSys full suspension mountain bikes | Save up to 60% off list prices on new bicycles ($1399) today. Neophyte to mtbing but have ridden bikes quite regularly since 6yrs, now 24. Do a little unicycling too. I also have a Trek Multi-track 750, with 700c wheels, narrow tires with some tread, ridden that many miles.

    The MB Full suspension is awesome. I rode at Powell Butte in Portland, there wasn't much for jumps but some downhill runs and got some air. I think I'll need to get a shock pump and pressure them up a bit.

    I am 5'10" 170lbs. 32/33" inseam. 74" reach. The medium frame fits pretty good. I did cut off a couple inches off the seat post but then realized that when you sit on it the height shrinks some.

    The brakes worked great, the front makes more noise when you use it but they stop very well. The trails were a tad muddy in places and the tires did slip a little, more tread would probably be nice. The handlebars are good width, maybe a tad much.

    Overall this bike is really smooth, easy to pedal up hills with clip in shoes. I got these Shimano MT22 Cycling Shoes (For Men and Women) - Save 42% for 39 bucks, good deal. I wear 11.5 in tennis shoes and these are 46 or 11.2. They fit ok, narrower than most, I think they'll stretch, going to try freezing a bag of water in them

    check out pics here https://picasaweb.google.com/1035227.../January282012.

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    I was wondering what everyone's thoughts on sizing were? I am approximately 6'1 with about a 31-32 inch inseam. As you can see I have relatively short legs and a longer torso/upper body. Currently I am riding an 2008 XL Giant Trance which, while manageable, has always felt a little large for me. I an contemplating upgrading and was wondering if I would be better off with the large or medium for the Fantom29 FS? Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobDMB View Post
    I was wondering what everyone's thoughts on sizing were? I am approximately 6'1 with about a 31-32 inch inseam. As you can see I have relatively short legs and a longer torso/upper body. Currently I am riding an 2008 XL Giant Trance which, while manageable, has always felt a little large for me. I an contemplating upgrading and was wondering if I would be better off with the large or medium for the Fantom29 FS? Any thoughts are appreciated. Thanks.
    This may be a little late for a response but I think you're kind of right in the middle. I'm 6' with 32" inseam and I like the medium Fantom DS. With your longer torso, my first thought was a large. I would be more concerned about reach than top tube height. That said, you also mentioned riding a XL Trance. I recently demoed a 2012 (not sure if the geometry is different than 2008) XL Trance and it felt a little too big for me too. I probably could have made it work with a shorter stem but I thought the large size Trance and Reign fit me better so the med Fantom DS might be more to your liking. Tough call really! If your ever in the Houston area, you're more than welcome to try mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frcnducted View Post
    Here is pic stripped down to raw still waiting for new decals and have to put the badge back on. As far as weight goes I was at 27.38lbs with a Bronson(F)Nano(R). The new Spesh tires weighed in at 195g heavier so I would have to agree 28lbs seems to be typical.
    Be sure to post an updated picture with those new decals...

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    Here is the link for my pics, realized previous album was private. https://picasaweb.google.com/1035227...eat=directlink

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