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    I'm guessing the frame is Chi-ti, made in china?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reebert
    I'm guessing the frame is Chi-ti, made in china?

    That would be a bad guess

    No Motobecane is made in China

    True; most other brands have bikes made in China

    However, Motobecane has zero models from China

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    where's the frame made?
    So is it made from US made titanium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reebert
    where's the frame made?
    So is it made from US made titanium?
    Frame is made in Taiwan; with Ti tubing from Japan

    The quality is as good as I have seen in any production frame [and I have been doing this for 30 years and have seen about everything]


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    Beautiful welds.
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    I think I'm buy buy the Ti. Cross my fingers!

    I think I'm going to take the plunge and place my order for a 2008 Fly Ti! It looks like a great deal for the person willing to put a little time and effort into assembling and tuning there own bike. I'm not to concerned about the warranty and the lack of service because (A)the components are top shelf and (B) the frame is titanium. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Titanium alot stronger then Aluminum? I find it hard to believe The average 175 pound trail rider that likes to roll over some logs from time to time would crush this frame. I guess I've talked myself into buying this bike because of these attributes. Before I order I think I want to go over to Cycle Spectrum (while I'm on vacation in Florida) and take a look at them. Does anyone know if they carry a full line of motobecane's? I would like to think they would have a Ti Fly to try. Also could some help me decide on a frame size? I suck at making size decisions. I'm 5'10"- 175 pounds and have a 31 inseam. I usually go for the 19" frame but have to decide between the 18" or 20". Help! I'll keep everyone posted on the test ride I'll take in Florida. (If they have the bike

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    I havent seen any fly ti's in their orlando store. Been in there several times over the past few weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teeroy
    Also could some help me decide on a frame size? I suck at making size decisions. I'm 5'10"- 175 pounds and have a 31 inseam. I usually go for the 19" frame but have to decide between the 18" or 20". Help! I'll keep everyone posted on the test ride I'll take in Florida. (If they have the bike
    I’m about the same size as you and the 18in frame on my fantom works for me. I just setup my elite as a city bike.

    Low profile seat, strait XC handlebars, reversed the stem and I’m running some Michelin transworld city tires. I’ll post a photo when the weather gets better.

    That bike you're looking at is awesome… Good Luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teeroy
    I think I'm going to take the plunge and place my order for a 2008 Fly Ti! It looks like a great deal for the person willing to put a little time and effort into assembling and tuning there own bike. I'm not to concerned about the warranty and the lack of service because (A)the components are top shelf and (B) the frame is titanium. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Titanium alot stronger then Aluminum? I find it hard to believe The average 175 pound trail rider that likes to roll over some logs from time to time would crush this frame. I guess I've talked myself into buying this bike because of these attributes. Before I order I think I want to go over to Cycle Spectrum (while I'm on vacation in Florida) and take a look at them. Does anyone know if they carry a full line of motobecane's? I would like to think they would have a Ti Fly to try. Also could some help me decide on a frame size? I suck at making size decisions. I'm 5'10"- 175 pounds and have a 31 inseam. I usually go for the 19" frame but have to decide between the 18" or 20". Help! I'll keep everyone posted on the test ride I'll take in Florida. (If they have the bike
    I haven't checked this, but I'd think if Cycle Spectrum has a Fly 9357 or a Fly Team, they would have the same geometry as the Fly Ti. BTW- I'm 5.9 1/2, 165-170lbs and ride an 18" Fly 9357. Fits me well.

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    I'm back from Cycle Spectrum

    Well I'm back from my trip and I visited the people down at Cycle Spectrum. Like a idiot I jumped into my car and drove to the closest store without calling, it ended up to be out of business so I went to the next closest store 30 miles away. Seemed like any other LBS, bikes packed floor to ceiling. The help seemed knowledgeable and nice. I asked to ride the 18" Motocane 9357( very nice well balanced bike) and the fly Pro 20" for size reference. I liked them both. I think the 20" felt a little more like my current bike that I have now. The only thing I had a problem with was the shifter cables where kinda long and got in the way of the other cables. Does any one know if these are made to fit, or do you cut them to fit as you assemble the bike.
    It seems from the pictures on Bikes direct that the derailleur drop out is also not replaceable. Anyone know? Also To confirm my bike size I compared the geometries of the 20" Ti Fly with the Trek 19.5" hard tails and it seems that the 20" Ti Fly runs slightly small.
    It's alot of $$ to toss into the wind. I think I'm still going to place my order, but I wish they had more press reviews to read one this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teeroy
    Well I'm back from my trip and I visited the people down at Cycle Spectrum. Like a idiot I jumped into my car and drove to the closest store without calling, it ended up to be out of business so I went to the next closest store 30 miles away. Seemed like any other LBS, bikes packed floor to ceiling. The help seemed knowledgeable and nice. I asked to ride the 18" Motocane 9357( very nice well balanced bike) and the fly Pro 20" for size reference. I liked them both. I think the 20" felt a little more like my current bike that I have now. The only thing I had a problem with was the shifter cables where kinda long and got in the way of the other cables. Does any one know if these are made to fit, or do you cut them to fit as you assemble the bike.
    It seems from the pictures on Bikes direct that the derailleur drop out is also not replaceable. Anyone know? Also To confirm my bike size I compared the geometries of the 20" Ti Fly with the Trek 19.5" hard tails and it seems that the 20" Ti Fly runs slightly small.
    It's alot of $$ to toss into the wind. I think I'm still going to place my order, but I wish they had more press reviews to read one this bike.



    Thats a pretty big plunge, but I'd say if you want it go for it, it has all top of the line parts and a really nice looking frame, I don't think you would regret it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teeroy
    Well I'm back from my trip and I visited the people down at Cycle Spectrum. Like a idiot I jumped into my car and drove to the closest store without calling, it ended up to be out of business so I went to the next closest store 30 miles away. Seemed like any other LBS, bikes packed floor to ceiling. The help seemed knowledgeable and nice. I asked to ride the 18" Motocane 9357( very nice well balanced bike) and the fly Pro 20" for size reference. I liked them both. I think the 20" felt a little more like my current bike that I have now. The only thing I had a problem with was the shifter cables where kinda long and got in the way of the other cables. Does any one know if these are made to fit, or do you cut them to fit as you assemble the bike.
    It seems from the pictures on Bikes direct that the derailleur drop out is also not replaceable. Anyone know? Also To confirm my bike size I compared the geometries of the 20" Ti Fly with the Trek 19.5" hard tails and it seems that the 20" Ti Fly runs slightly small.
    It's alot of $$ to toss into the wind. I think I'm still going to place my order, but I wish they had more press reviews to read one this bike.

    Too bad Cycle Spectrum doesn’t have a shop in the Chicagoland area... Florida or Texas is a bit of a drive to see one in person for most folks around here.
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    Does the Fly Ti have a replaceable derailleur hanger? It must, right? Can't tell from the pics. Could email bd, but thought this might be of common interest...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbarro
    Does the Fly Ti have a replaceable derailleur hanger? It must, right? Can't tell from the pics. Could email bd, but thought this might be of common interest...
    No it's not a replaceable hanger. However, nether are the ones on steel frames and titanium is stronger.

    From (Wikipedia)

    "The derailleur hanger or mech hanger is the part of the dropout that the rear derailleur attaches to.

    Most non-steel framed bikes have a separate removable derailleur hanger, generally made from aluminium which is bolted to the dropout. These are intended as a cheap replaceable part so that in the event of an accident or mechanical problem that could damage the derailleur or frame, the derailleur hanger breaks or deforms instead. Sometimes a shear bolt which is designed as a weak point will also be used.

    In general, steel-framed bikes do not have a removable derailleur hanger, because a steel dropout and hanger is stronger and therefore less likely to be damaged, and also it is more malleable and less likely to work harden during deformation and generally can be bent back into shape without breaking."
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    Allrighty.... It's either the Fly 9357 or the Ti for me. Tough choice. I think Fly Team is not really in the picture. I can pay an extra 300 for the Ti frame and nicer brakes (and whatever else that differs).

    Minuses for the Ti are
    - the der hanger, although I know it is possible to bend it "manually" (had that done on my old scandium frame).
    - the expensive parts -- I don't want to feel that I have to be extremely careful about the bike. For example, replacing the cranks, a brake lever if it breaks after a fall, such things. Maybe that's silly? The nice parts are of course also on the plus side for the Ti
    - too short top tube? (I'm 5'10", 145 lbs and I thought of going with the 18").

    Any other opinions? Need some help to decide...

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    The fly 9357 is a great budget XC racer that looks awesome. The components are also impressive for the money… I’m 5’ 10” and my fantom elite is a 18 inch. I changed to some flat XC bars and I’m loving it.

    If you are serious about riding and or racing though… Go with the Ti!

    Your getting the best of the best component wise with this bike… About those cranks, they are hollowed. The carbon fiber goes around an I beam for strength. These cranks alone go for $450- $650 ea. I did a search…

    I don’t think you would need to be anymore careful with this bike then any other … You are not planning on jumping or doing drops with it… Yes?

    Here are some links.

    http://mtb.fullspeedahead.com/fly.as...layout=product

    Here is a MTBr review of them as well.
    http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/Crankset...t_129181.shtml

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    Short top tube/wheel base

    I'm also concerned about the slightly shorter top tube and the overall wheel base length. I'm 5'10.5" and thinking of getting the 20" frame to gain the extra length. I wish there was more reviews on these bikes, Its frustrating. I've talked to My biking buddies and they all say to get a bike with a longer top tube and wheel base. They said to stick with a bike with a geometry that is closest to a Gary Fisher. A 19" Gary Fisher "Big Sur" is 43.3" compared to 42.4" for the 20" team fly Ti. Do you think 1" will make much of a difference? I heard that the Motobecane Fly Ti will be reviewed in the April issue of Mountain Bike Action. Anyone know when this will drop?

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    MBA can be found here
    http://www.zinio.com/singles?issn=0895-0467&ns=usa
    but I can't find the Moto.

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    Hmmmm

    Hmmmm.... Mike from BD said that it would be reviewed in the April 08 issue. I read this in another thread in this forum. I just went to your link and paged thru the on-line issue and couldn't find it.

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    I just read the article in the May edition

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well

    I finally found a copy. I just don't know what to think. I was hopping for a more positive review. the statment about the fork being a 2006 model and soft scares me. The other stuff can be fixed for cheap. ( tires and bar-ends ) I'm going to have to have to think real hard before dumping $2k on this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teeroy
    I'm also concerned about the slightly shorter top tube and the overall wheel base length. I'm 5'10.5" and thinking of getting the 20" frame to gain the extra length. I wish there was more reviews on these bikes, Its frustrating. I've talked to My biking buddies and they all say to get a bike with a longer top tube and wheel base. They said to stick with a bike with a geometry that is closest to a Gary Fisher. A 19" Gary Fisher "Big Sur" is 43.3" compared to 42.4" for the 20" team fly Ti. Do you think 1" will make much of a difference? I heard that the Motobecane Fly Ti will be reviewed in the April issue of Mountain Bike Action. Anyone know when this will drop?
    For that price though, your practically getting the frame for free. I don't see ANY other bikes that offer elite parts like that for under 3-4 grand.

    If the frame really isn't working for you, i bet you could sell it on ebay, and pick up a new frame, and still have a sick bike for a good price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teeroy
    I finally found a copy. I just don't know what to think. I was hopping for a more positive review. the statment about the fork being a 2006 model and soft scares me. The other stuff can be fixed for cheap. ( tires and bar-ends ) I'm going to have to have to think real hard before dumping $2k on this bike.
    Regarding the fork: it is pretty well known that the sids are soft. Some ppl don't like it at all, for some it doesn't matter. There is a new sid out this year which is a new design. I bet 2007, 2006 and 2005 are pretty equal.

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    MIKE from BD, hey thanks for keeping us posted I saw this from day one online and have been drooling great pics and great welds even some nice small features like on the rear end of the bike.

    I bought one of the first Fly Teams in 08 from the Jax store and have done very little in the way of changes. It rides like a dream but had I known about this Ti bike ...damn!!! You have a buyback program??? LOL How about a loyalty program??? OK fine so what cool stuff is coming in full suspension?

    I am a Motobecane believer, the Fly Team will do the Leadville Trail 100 again soon and any other race I can do between now and August. The components have been spot on trouble free etc.. The frame is so light it takes getting used to and then your flying. I ride harder every time and still no signs of abuse or wear at all. I swapped out to Mavic wheels, Python tubeless, and will go to a carbon riser bar next week, tough to find 25.4 sometimes.

    Thanks MB and BD cya

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    You're asking some good questions here.
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    I agree Moto is sweet but not just because of price. I have buddies riding much more expensive rigs ad when they ride mine they are equally impressed with performance. Mine is just so darn nimble.

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    I just had to buy mb action too. They consider it a real racing bike with real racing geometry.
    http://www.mbaction.com/ME2/dirmod.a...9640E394148CA1

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbarro
    Regarding the fork: it is pretty well known that the sids are soft. Some ppl don't like it at all, for some it doesn't matter. There is a new sid out this year which is a new design. I bet 2007, 2006 and 2005 are pretty equal.

    whatever dude .... the sid is the longest running most successful suspension fork of all time, is that because it's "soft"

    I never apologize. I'm sorry, but that's just the way I am.

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    Fly team article in MB mag

    That is such a wrong price in that article! I wonder if they got the prices confused with a different bike?

    Here is the real pricing FYI http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/.../fly_TI_09.htm

    Any one wondering, I DO NOT WORK FOR BD OR MB! I just ride one and love it and am even considering the Ti bike.

    Mike you may want to talk to the magazine about a correction because even the last comment in that article was a dig on the incorrect pricing.

    CYALL

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    I just had to buy mb action too. They consider it a real racing bike with real racing geometry.
    http://www.mbaction.com/ME2/dirmod.a...9640E394148CA1

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    The MSRP is 4100, and that's what mb action is stating (as always).

    Regarding the sid: I'm just drawing the conclusion from what I've read that there seem to be better alternatives today. There aren't many bike companies shipping bikes w. sids, are they? But that depend on many things of course. However, I'm not concered for the softness myself since I'm not heavy and not that serious. I'm more concerned about the durability compared to a reba or fox.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teeroy
    the statment about the fork being a 2006 model and soft scares me.

    Scares me too
    As it is totally false
    In fact, I have no idea how we or any manufacturer could get a 2006
    Fork is a 2008 SID RACE

    I think the guy at the magazine is confused with the 2009 SID - which is different; but not out yet

    I think we will ask them to print a correction; although I am not sure it will matter; as we are already almost sold out

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    deraileur hanger replacement?

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    ... we are already almost sold out
    could the next build come with replaceable deraileur hanger?
    Perhaps a slider for those converting to SS.

    What is the ETA on a 29er or 650B in TI?

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    what gear?

    the Review in MBA said that the gearing was more set-up for road biking. Can anyone recommend a better gear setup?

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    couple things since the set up is almost identical to the non-Ti that I ride. The gearing is setup as such and I love it even offroad but they may do it for weight reasons as well, which brings me to the SID, I have the Race model and again no fluid or lockout makes it very light. Fortunately I am also not hardcore or needing super softy ride.

    MBA used the MSRP true but at the end of the article the comment about the price being too high to do much upgrading is where they went wrong since you won't be buying it at MSRP instead at almost half...but hey that is a fight for BD or MB to fight, just an observation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howley
    could the next build come with replaceable deraileur hanger?
    Perhaps a slider for those converting to SS.

    What is the ETA on a 29er or 650B in TI?
    replaceable der hanger is ordered on all Ti bikes
    and I assume they will all have them

    ETA on sample of Ti 29er is June
    on production units in October

    thanks for questions

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    Quote Originally Posted by teeroy
    the Review in MBA said that the gearing was more set-up for road biking. Can anyone recommend a better gear setup?
    This depends on where and who you are
    Here in Florida people love the gearing on the Fly
    In other areas lots of customers change to 11-32 or 11-34

    but bear in mind; when your bike is lighter, you do not need as low of gears

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    Quote Originally Posted by et3surge
    MIKE from BD, hey thanks for keeping us posted I saw this from day one online and have been drooling great pics and great welds even some nice small features like on the rear end of the bike.

    I bought one of the first Fly Teams in 08 from the Jax store and have done very little in the way of changes. It rides like a dream but had I known about this Ti bike ...damn!!! You have a buyback program??? LOL How about a loyalty program??? OK fine so what cool stuff is coming in full suspension?

    I am a Motobecane believer, the Fly Team will do the Leadville Trail 100 again soon and any other race I can do between now and August. The components have been spot on trouble free etc.. The frame is so light it takes getting used to and then your flying. I ride harder every time and still no signs of abuse or wear at all. I swapped out to Mavic wheels, Python tubeless, and will go to a carbon riser bar next week, tough to find 25.4 sometimes.

    Thanks MB and BD cya
    Thanks for your support
    I am delighted that you are enjoying the bike

    Full Suspension: we are working on more stuff; But frankly it is hard now to keep enough Fantom Team and Fantom DS Pro inventory in stock. Most Fantom Teams are sold out before I can get them in. So that bike seems to be a XC/AM blend that meet many peoples needs.

    thanks again

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    KGB style drop out

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    replaceable der hanger is ordered on all Ti bikes
    and I assume they will all have them

    ETA on sample of Ti 29er is June
    on production units in October

    thanks for questions
    Please post photos when available. Rear drop out design is critical for a Ti to reduce lateral flex. If the KGB (Koski, Guy, Breeze) style drop out is used as current design with the addition of replaceable dérailleur hanger then it's spot on.

    THX for pushing the envelope.

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    [QUOTE=Howley]Rear drop out design is critical for a Ti to reduce lateral flex. If the KGB (Koski, Guy, Breeze) style drop out is used as current design with the addition of replaceable dérailleur hanger then it's spot on.QUOTE]

    For some of us considering the Ti bike that is some good info Howley, thanks. It made me look up some of what you explained and now I understand the finer details. Cool. Do you ride Ti or own some other Ti bike? Or are you a builder?

    Thanks again

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    OOPS I think I messed up the quote...

    [QUOTE=et3surge][QUOTE=Howley]Rear drop out design is critical for a Ti to reduce lateral flex. If the KGB (Koski, Guy, Breeze) style drop out is used as current design with the addition of replaceable dérailleur hanger then it's spot on.For some of us considering the Ti bike that is some good info Howley, thanks. It made me look up some of what you explained and now I understand the finer details. Cool. Do you ride Ti or own some other Ti bike? Or are you a builder?

    Thanks again

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    Just been around the block a few times on my trike...;-)
    More than you ever wanted to know about me: CycleIdaho.com
    And What I ride-Depends on what is under me at the time.
    Lately it has been this.

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    Or a 1977 Motobecane Road Bike

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    Wheel base

    Does any one have any concerns or comments on the wheel base being kinda short. It seems that the Ti is coming in about a inch or more shorter then other bikes. I'm still on the fence about getting this bike and need a little push. The three bikes I'm looking at are the Gary Fisher Big Sur, Stumpjumper Hardtail or the Moto Ti.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howley
    Just been around the block a few times on my trike...;-)
    More than you ever wanted to know about me: CycleIdaho.com
    And What I ride-Depends on what is under me at the time.
    Lately it has been this.

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/harleyparson/MyBikes/photo#5187643736817837602"><img src="https://lh3.ggpht.com/harleyparson/R_42fkpOpiI/AAAAAAAACVE/NQjMPNSGEi8/s288/HPIM0344.JPG" /></a>


    Or a 1977 Motobecane Road Bike

    <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/harleyparson/MyBikes/photo#5187643955861169714"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/harleyparson/R_42sUpOpjI/AAAAAAAACVM/kh5GCYYwdRs/s288/parson-R1-27.jpg" /></a>
    Lovely bikes, I have spoken many a time with Sheldon Brown about those older Moto's and a Peugot I have. The ERB is awesome technology, so much out there hard to keep up.

    Are you in Boise? Oh an great Bio, especially about the work with schools but it appears it's been a lifetime of cycling devotion, wish I could say the same but I am getting there.

    Thanks Serge

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    Well.... I ordered the Ti 20"

    Well...I ordered a 20" Ti Monday night. I've never spent this much money on a bike that I haven't test ridden. I hope to hell I made the right decision. I know I'll get allot of crap from my biking friends but if the ride is nice it will be worth it's weight in gold to see there faces grimace in jealousy. If the bike falls short of a great ride I'll have to live with this f-up for a loooong time, Not to mention the hazing I'll get from my friends. I'll keep everyone posted on the progress of the order and the build. With any luck It will ride as good as it looks. P.S. Bikes Direct Sent me two emails within 24 hours confirming my order and giving me an ETA on the shipping. So far so good!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by teeroy
    Well...I ordered a 20" Ti Monday night. I've never spent this much money on a bike that I haven't test ridden. I hope to hell I made the right decision. I know I'll get allot of crap from my biking friends but if the ride is nice it will be worth it's weight in gold to see there faces grimace in jealousy. If the bike falls short of a great ride I'll have to live with this f-up for a loooong time, Not to mention the hazing I'll get from my friends. I'll keep everyone posted on the progress of the order and the build. With any luck It will ride as good as it looks. P.S. Bikes Direct Sent me two emails within 24 hours confirming my order and giving me an ETA on the shipping. So far so good!!!
    I bet it will be worth it, plus you'll have Ti bike with all top of the line parts, I bet your friends will be jealous. I know I am

    Just be sure to put it together really nicely, i would even check some of the stuff that come "pre assembled" and maybe put some extra grease in, rim strips, ect. You just want to make sure that thing has a really clean start you know...

    Other than that, ride the hell out of it and have fun! thats what its for after all.

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    did you order using the geometry chart at least? I think you'll be happy, I love mine. I assume you ordered the Fly Team Ti right? I have the aluminum version so yours will be that much better.

    PICS PICS PICS!!!

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    Got to say that's a nice looking bike and as said, basically getting the frame for nada. Sad that the geo is so "small", a 22" frame with only a 24" ETT. Are the decals stickers and is the frame clear coated in any way? i ask as well really, they're god aweful and should be removed ASAP after buying. Sierg you enjoy what you got and continue training for PBville FYI I'm doing Fools Gold on August 16th if you want to stop by on your way home from PBville.
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    I agree LyNx, I may not get it because I don't need another HardTail but I am anticipating some of the DS options coming out. This is such a good deal for whoever gets it, like you said just the components make up the price almost...

    May have to stop by, right now gotta get back on the bike, been working too much.

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    120mm

    I just sent a email to BD to see if they had any info on the length of the handle bar stem that comes with the 20" Ti fly. to my suprize they emailed me back within the hour with my info! it comes with 120mm stem. I ,hope this helps with the undersized top tube, or is this a standard size for a mountain bike stem these days.

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    Not sure about everyone else, but that's the length I run on my XL/22" size bikes standard - people tell me I have long arms though. Normal length on a L is normally 100-110mm.

    Quote Originally Posted by teeroy
    I just sent a email to BD to see if they had any info on the length of the handle bar stem that comes with the 20" Ti fly. to my suprize they emailed me back within the hour with my info! it comes with 120mm stem. I ,hope this helps with the undersized top tube, or is this a standard size for a mountain bike stem these days.
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    stem

    Thanks. I'm just trying to figure out how to stretch this bike out as much as I can, do to the short over all length of the frame. any ideas?

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    What's your current setup like - ETT, stem length, rise, bar sweep, seatpost (setback or straight) total cockpit length? First things first you need to figure out if you can get the saddle in the correct position for your legs and proper peddaling and then start to figure if you can adjust the cockpit to suit once that's sorted.

    Quote Originally Posted by teeroy
    Thanks. I'm just trying to figure out how to stretch this bike out as much as I can, do to the short over all length of the frame. any ideas?
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    For all practical purposes I'm starting from scratch. I'm currently riding a trek "Y-22" OCVL. Ya,Ya, I hear you. I have got my money out of that bike. I'm way past due for a new bike. It was set up with a total cockpit length of 29.5", TT=22.5, WB=42.5. The bar stem is Kore150mm 0 rise. (seems kinda big but thats what it is 5.5") It seemed to do the job for me, So I kept riding it. The only way to cheat the cockpit length is to get a bigger bar stem and move the saddle back rite? Or am I just over thinking this. Maybe I should ride the bike a few times before buying all these extra add ons. I'm just trying to do a little research while I'm waiting delivery of this bike. P.S. What is the downside of having a shorter Wheel base? I'm guessing it would make is slightly squirrely on the downhill.

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    Not sure I totally understand what you're on about You had a bike with a 22.5" ETT and 150mm/5.9" stem, you buying a bike with a 24.1" ETT and a 120mm/4.72" stem. Your old bike totaly stem+ETT was 28.4" and then new bikes ETT+stem is 28.8", (not taking stem angle into account) what's the problem, you are actually gaining about a 1/4"??

    Quote Originally Posted by teeroy
    For all practical purposes I'm starting from scratch. I'm currently riding a trek "Y-22" OCVL. Ya,Ya, I hear you. I have got my money out of that bike. I'm way past due for a new bike. It was set up with a total cockpit length of 29.5", TT=22.5, WB=42.5. The bar stem is Kore150mm 0 rise. (seems kinda big but thats what it is 5.5") It seemed to do the job for me, So I kept riding it. The only way to cheat the cockpit length is to get a bigger bar stem and move the saddle back rite? Or am I just over thinking this. Maybe I should ride the bike a few times before buying all these extra add ons. I'm just trying to do a little research while I'm waiting delivery of this bike. P.S. What is the downside of having a shorter Wheel base? I'm guessing it would make is slightly squirrely on the downhill.
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    your rite! What the hell was I thinking. Although I'm still concerned about the effects of a slightly shorter wheel base. Thanks for kicking me straight on the cockpit.

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    My numbers aren't actual, but close enough to let you know that with a 110, 120 or 130 stem you should be able to dial it in to you.

    As to the wheelbase, well yes it'l steer quicker, how much I can't really say. How much longer is your old bikes base compared to the Ti? For me that wheelbase would twictchy as hell and uncomfortable to ride on, going by how I feel when I ride my commuter 26" with a 43" Wbase compared to the 45" Wbase of my 29er and previous trance of 44.5". It won't be un-rideable, just very quick if you're accustomed to something a lot longer like my bikes. If it's your only bike you'll prob adapt very quickly, if not well then it'll take a while and might always feel a bit twitchy for you.

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    your rite! What the hell was I thinking. Although I'm still concerned about the effects of a slightly shorter wheel base. Thanks for kicking me straight on the cockpit.
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    I ordered a Fly Ti some time ago (back in December off of Bike Forums). I saw the MTB Action review. Very puzzling review, because they love the handling and climbing, criticize the descending, then in a picture caption they talk about how the Ti frame handles the trail vibration well, but in other parts of the review they call the frame harsh riding. Go figure.

    Any bike with 1.9" tires is going to be a squirrelly descender on anything even slightly technical. Easy to resolve. BD was going for a light weight (those tires are 300 grams/pair lighter than the tires I'd put on the bike, that's over .5 pound). Gearing is not an issue for me, I'm a road racer, the cassette is perfect with the MTB triple.

    I figured if the Ti frame was a real loser once I got it on the trail I'd take the bike apart, sell it on eBay for $500 and get a different frame. The bike components alone are easily worth close to the price I'm paying. But I doubt that will be necessary. I bet I love the bike, as Mike from BD keeps insisting.

    I do believe him : ). My current hardtail is a 1989 Jamis Dragon (853 Reynolds tubing). It weighs 24 lbs the way I have it set up. The Fly Ti with pedals, bar ends, Conti Explorer tires will be <21 lbs, and will be a Ti bike with disc brakes. That should work.

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    Does anyone know if this can be purchased as a frame only? I am interested, but I already have a complete build kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jckid
    Does anyone know if this can be purchased as a frame only? I am interested, but I already have a complete build kit.
    Contact Mike in earlier posts on this thread he can give you the skinny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad
    I ordered a Fly Ti some time ago (back in December off of Bike Forums). I saw the MTB Action review. Very puzzling review, because they love the handling and climbing, criticize the descending, then in a picture caption they talk about how the Ti frame handles the trail vibration well, but in other parts of the review they call the frame harsh riding. Go figure.

    Any bike with 1.9" tires is going to be a squirrelly descender on anything even slightly technical. Easy to resolve. BD was going for a light weight (those tires are 300 grams/pair lighter than the tires I'd put on the bike, that's over .5 pound). Gearing is not an issue for me, I'm a road racer, the cassette is perfect with the MTB triple.

    I figured if the Ti frame was a real loser once I got it on the trail I'd take the bike apart, sell it on eBay for $500 and get a different frame. The bike components alone are easily worth close to the price I'm paying. But I doubt that will be necessary. I bet I love the bike, as Mike from BD keeps insisting.

    I do believe him : ). My current hardtail is a 1989 Jamis Dragon (853 Reynolds tubing). It weighs 24 lbs the way I have it set up. The Fly Ti with pedals, bar ends, Conti Explorer tires will be <21 lbs, and will be a Ti bike with disc brakes. That should work.
    Hey if you feel you "have to" get rid of the frame let me know before you go posting it anywhere, I can probably take it off your hands...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx
    My numbers aren't actual, but close enough to let you know that with a 110, 120 or 130 stem you should be able to dial it in to you.

    As to the wheelbase, well yes it'l steer quicker, how much I can't really say. How much longer is your old bikes base compared to the Ti? For me that wheelbase would twictchy as hell and uncomfortable to ride on, going by how I feel when I ride my commuter 26" with a 43" Wbase compared to the 45" Wbase of my 29er and previous trance of 44.5". It won't be un-rideable, just very quick if you're accustomed to something a lot longer like my bikes. If it's your only bike you'll prob adapt very quickly, if not well then it'll take a while and might always feel a bit twitchy for you.
    LyNx it was twitchy at first but in time unnoticeable to me. maybe after many many miles of training. LOL hey come on over for some East coast rides maybe even some rec riding instead of an event?

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    Any updated info on the ship date???? I'm getting anxious!

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    I paid for my Fly Ti tonight, that means it should ship within days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad
    I paid for my Fly Ti tonight, that means it should ship within days.

    I would assume Monday or Tuesday

    please post pictures and feedback when you get it

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    YES!!!! Just in time to pay for it with Bush's Tax stimulus refund. I hear they are starting to send them out next week. I'd be glad to post pics of the bike and the process of the assembly. I appreciate the communications you have with your customers thru this forum. Thanks.

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    SWEEEET! I just paid...
    ...WHERE'S MY BIKE? C'MON, C'MON, C'MON!

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    If UPS delivers mine, they'll lean it up against my garage door and never ring my door bell. I will subsequently jump in my car, open the garage door and back over the bike carton with my SUV. That's when we'll see what these BD bikes are really made of.

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    ordered a 20"

    I ordered a 20" Fly Ti. I got an email back saying they had oversold that size and did I want a refund or try another size. I'm contemplating a 22" I'm 6' 0". The top tube is short so it may work out. Did any of your guys get your bikes yet? How do you like the fit?

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    No good That's why............

    ..........I've never bought anything from Bikes Direct, it's a frikin joke - give us all the money and then we'll let you know if we have that size in stock Wouldn't even plunk down the 120 for the 29er frame because of this, absolute shite if you ask me Tell them you'd like your money back ASAP, don't go for the 22" and what kind of fvcking attitude is that from a "supposed" bike company - holy fugging **** how pathetic and shows theiir knowledge when they might offer to substitute another size because they don't have what you ordered in stock.

    Quote Originally Posted by shinyhappybikee
    I ordered a 20" Fly Ti. I got an email back saying they had oversold that size and did I want a refund or try another size. I'm contemplating a 22" I'm 6' 0". The top tube is short so it may work out. Did any of your guys get your bikes yet? How do you like the fit?

    Thanks

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    The bike ROCKS. Swapped the tires for 2.1's. Rode it in the woods once, 9 miles on the road, 9 on single track/fire roads, just great. It's at the LBS getting the SID set up, a bigger cluster (11-32) and the disc brakes adjusted. Very pleased.



    Very light, great ride, stiff BB, great handling, fantastic climber, fine on descents (the MTB Action review notwithstanding). Of course I was running 2.1 Contis inflated to 40 psi, not 1.9 Kendas pumped to 50. Also needed a slightly longer seat post and a 12cm stem instead of the stock unit. Bike fits great.

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    I'm also very happy with my 20" titanium Fly. I'm 5'10" and its a little big for me but I like the feel. I didn't need to adjust much at all. As $ permits I'll be changing out the tires, saddle, and bars just to be different. Sucks that they ran out of your size. they did say to order early cuz they run out. I'd order from them again in a heartbeat. I'll have to send in more pics of the changes I made to the bike as soon as I make them.

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    Are frames available now or just complete bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino biker
    Are frames available now or just complete bikes?
    Complete bikes only at this timne

    Next Year; Bikeisland will be stocking Ti frames; MTB, Road, CX, and 29er

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    Current bid is now 2,223.56 somebody is making a few bucks on it, specially if he/she ordered it at 1999.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=170217132557

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbarro
    Current bid is now 2,223.56 somebody is making a few bucks on it, specially if he/she ordered it at 1999.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=170217132557
    also note that the reserve hasn't been met.

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    Any carbon-fiber MTB (Motobecane) on the drawing board?

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    My SID was bad out of the box so I had to ship it back to BD.

    So here's what a 22" looks like with an F100X and 2.1 inch Mountain Kings



    Needs a 7" rotor on the front, but other than that it's very, very fast! Not worried about the 12-27 with the way it feels so far.

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    I'm loving my Fly Ti after two months. AMAZING bike. Changed the cluster and tires out for 2.1" Contis and a 32 granny cog. The bike is phenomenal. Has me back in the woods again after 10 years of not riding trails. Flickable, climbs great, super light, GREAT ride, fast handling. Even the wheels are fine. Just astonishing for $2K.



    SOOOO much better than any hard tail I've ever owned (this is my 4th) it's a bit ridiculous. That frame is just a friggin GEM. Brakes are awesome. SID fork is great (my previous fork was a ten year old Manitou Carbon). Couldn't be happier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teeroy
    Any carbon-fiber MTB (Motobecane) on the drawing board?

    We made two samples
    and decided that, even though carbon fiber is great on road bikes; that CF ATBs and CycloCross make no sense to us

    As you may know - carbon fiber is not know for being the best material for taking hits
    off road riders do fall and hit their frames on rocks, trees, other bikes, turtles and anything that gets in the way

    therefore - metal frames on off road make more sense to us

    Plus - never beat the ride of the Ti FLY with any carbon-fiber frame; so the only advantage is that carbon-fiber is cheaper {CF frames cost half what Ti costs}

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    Hey, BD, when will you have a hardtail Ti 29er? What about a full suspension 29er? We need something new to drool over. Here's my Moto 29er's, custom paint
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    Ti Fantom Team ??????

    BD....Any thoughts on a Ti Fantom Team for 2009-10??????? I like the hardtail Ti fly so much I'd buy a Ti Fantom tomorrow if they made one. When will next seasons bikes be made public?

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    Fly Ti Preorder

    Yes it's true, I just placed a preorder for my 16" Ti; delivery is on the 15th Sept, cannot wait, order yours soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad
    I'm loving my Fly Ti after two months. AMAZING bike. Changed the cluster and tires out for 2.1" Contis and a 32 granny cog. The bike is phenomenal. Has me back in the woods again after 10 years of not riding trails. Flickable, climbs great, super light, GREAT ride, fast handling. Even the wheels are fine. Just astonishing for $2K.



    SOOOO much better than any hard tail I've ever owned (this is my 4th) it's a bit ridiculous. That frame is just a friggin GEM. Brakes are awesome. SID fork is great (my previous fork was a ten year old Manitou Carbon). Couldn't be happier.
    Regarding your Titec bar-ends. Do they attach to the end of the handlebar and not take up any handlebar space, or do you have to move or cut some of the grip off?

    These are the bar-ends I'm talking about:

    https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...ils.php?id=122

    I know the Profile Design Brief bar ends come with an end attachement so they don't take any space away. Wondering if these are the same.

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    so has anyone figured out if the 2009s definately come with the 32mm SID fork???

    i mean, i think it has that fork, but i dont know it comes with it.... BD??? i am ready to order.

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    The 2009's are shipping!

    My 2009 Fly Ti is scheduled for delivery from UPS next Tuesday the 9th. I ordered the bike almost a month ago, man I can't wait to ride this bike. I already have a few upgrades waiting in the garage, starting with the cassette.
    I'll try to post pictures after I get it.

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    Regarding the cassette, will the Shimano XT 11-32 cassette work with the XTR RD-M971 Top-Normal derailleur?

    What cassette are you getting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmunk
    Regarding the cassette, will the Shimano XT 11-32 cassette work with the XTR RD-M971 Top-Normal derailleur?

    What cassette are you getting?
    That's what I put on my bike. It works.

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    I'm going to put a SRAM PC990 11-32 cassette on it. I like the way they look, they work well and the price was right. I think it was like 65 bucks at pricepoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patentcad
    That's what I put on my bike. It works.
    Cool. I got my XT cassette on Ebay for $70 shipped.

    I also ordered some 2.2 Conti Mountain King Supersonics from Phattire.com to replace the Kenda Klimax's. They're just too small for the type of technical riding I do in the Silicon Valley hills.

    Now I just need to get some bar ends that don't take away any handlebar room. Something that has it's own plug for the end that it mounts on like my current Profile Design Shorties. But lighter if possible. Anyone have a suggestion for bar ends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowind
    I'm going to put a SRAM PC990 11-32 cassette on it. I like the way they look, they work well and the price was right. I think it was like 65 bucks at pricepoint.
    I just ordered a 29 cog for Ultegra - will replace either 14 or something else, so it is 11-29. Maybe swap 27 with 26. Should be enough.

    I would have rather had a long cage shadow XT though, or shadow SGS XTR...

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    Anyone got a good suggestion for bar ends?

    I want bar ends that fit on the end of the handlebars and don't take up hand space. I have a pair of Profile Design bar ends on my other bike that are like this, but they're kind of heavy. Was hoping there may be another brand that is lighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmunk
    Anyone got a good suggestion for bar ends?

    I want bar ends that fit on the end of the handlebars and don't take up hand space. I have a pair of Profile Design bar ends on my other bike that are like this, but they're kind of heavy. Was hoping there may be another brand that is lighter.
    http://www.ergon-bike.com/us/grips/index.html

    Saves my palms as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bends But Doesn't Break
    Hmmm, it doesn't look like these bar ends have their own offset clamp, but rather clamp onto the handlebars themselves, taking away hand space. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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