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    choosing between Fantom Elite HT and Fly Pro HT..

    I'm looking to buy either Motobecane Fantom Elite 09 or Motobecane Fly Pro X. I'd rather go with Fantom, but its crank set seems to have an underwhelming reputation. So, would you go with Fantom and replace parts as needed or go with better equipped Fly Pro?

    Fly Pro's claimed weight is in low 20's. It seems to have really nice parts, but how is its durability compared to Fantom Elite? I'm in my early 40's and will not be doing any crazy stunts with it.

    I don't know if this will help, but here's a little about me. I got back into actively riding bicycle since 2005 with then new Giant TCR Composite 3, which since has been upgraded to mostly Ultegra Components. I enjoy riding flats, rolling hills, and climbing hills around SF South Bay Area in CA. I don't race and have no plans to do so. I simply enjoy riding. I'm not very fast, but I'm not slow either.

    I was looking to get a NICE steel road bike, say about $5k, until the combination earlier than unexpected bathroom remodeling and a bug to ride mountain bikes. Hence, I've been
    lurking at Mtbr Forums.

    Your input is much appreciated.

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    If your looking into a hardtail, I'm assuming you will do mostly XC rides with it, right?
    If so, the difference in weight of about 6.5 lbs is HUGE! The fork is not even comparable if you ask me. The SID Race performs a lot better than Recon 351 on XC trails. If you have the $200 extra to spare, go with the Fly Pro, you won't regret it. I ride a Moto Fly Team Titanium so I may be bias. JMHO.

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    thanks...

    I was thinking along the same line. I'm almost ready to pull the trigger.

    Another thing... in most literature and forum discussions, people generally tend to suggest hard tail for beginners. But, a colleague of mine seem to suggest that I should go full suspension.

    With full suspension, I will have to settle for lesser components. Is it worth it? Or, should I stay with HT? What are some of the pros and cons?

    Thanks.

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    i own both in a different brand and while they are older personally id stay with ht. depends how hard you will be riding it and where imo.. but i def prefer my ht for all around use

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    If I'm going to recommend a bike for a beginner I would strongly suggest a FS.
    FS will be more comfortable, easier to control, just simply more enjoyable.
    The more you enjoy the ride, the more you're going to ride often.
    As far as the components being lower end, I'm sure you will upgrade at
    some point no matter what you get. If a beginner has an uncomfortable ride,
    this may deter him/her from keeping the sport. This is just my opinion, I'm sure
    someone will disagree with me so take this with a grain of salt. I have owned
    almost all kinds of bikes from rigid to FS, sub-20lbs to 45lbs. I'ts hard to find the
    one that you really want unless you try different kinds. Good luck to your hunt.

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    I live and ride in the same area and haven't felt the need to get a full suspension yet. If you're heading over to the stunts at Soquel or some of the crazier trials at Skeggs, you will need full suspension (I'm guessing), but it doesn't sound like that's your intention. We have pretty smooth trails in the Bay Area and while full suspension will smooth out the trails a bit more, your bike will be heavier, more expensive, and require more maintenance. Have you considered a 29er in the same price range as the ones you're already looking at (i.e. Moto Fantom 29 Pro SL or Windsor Cliff 29er Team)? The big wheels combined with a big volume tire will smooth the ride out nicely without a lot of the downsides of a full susser.

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    going with 26

    I've been told that shorter person like me at 5'5" will be better off with 26. It seems to make sense to me.
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    Fly Pro X it is

    It arrived about a week after I placed the order.

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/4Qepe8N3oZ6ePBqEeCqKUOrPHO_WlhTxDvV7YqD4nkE?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh4.ggpht.com/_kBcUyZpbTbY/TBvlFd1z0uI/AAAAAAAABMU/PznvHob3HGg/s144/0616002103sm.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/misteryim/TempFlyProX?authkey=Gv1sRgCIjL16Wk2uu4Xg&feat=embe dwebsite">temp Fly Pro X</a></td></tr></table>

    Aside from the expected scuff marks, the box was in good shape.

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/12d_kBfeoIJaXhpQUiEkXOrPHO_WlhTxDvV7YqD4nkE?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_kBcUyZpbTbY/TBvlGv70c8I/AAAAAAAABMc/NJuZzoGDRYA/s144/0616002107sm.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/misteryim/TempFlyProX?authkey=Gv1sRgCIjL16Wk2uu4Xg&feat=embe dwebsite">temp Fly Pro X</a></td></tr></table>
    The bike was carefully wrapped and was packaged snugly.

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Y3ECjoFkwgPYO3eqbgLB6erPHO_WlhTxDvV7YqD4nkE?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_kBcUyZpbTbY/TBvlH6EjM9I/AAAAAAAABMg/AGGRzHg6ad8/s144/0616002111sm.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/misteryim/TempFlyProX?authkey=Gv1sRgCIjL16Wk2uu4Xg&feat=embe dwebsite">temp Fly Pro X</a></td></tr></table>
    Everything was there.

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WGIXNw-SDalv56qRng4iJ-rPHO_WlhTxDvV7YqD4nkE?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_kBcUyZpbTbY/TBvlJLVqA0I/AAAAAAAABMk/xsN63eB3sk4/s144/0616002254sm.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/misteryim/TempFlyProX?authkey=Gv1sRgCIjL16Wk2uu4Xg&feat=embe dwebsite">temp Fly Pro X</a></td></tr></table>
    It took me a little more than half hour to put everything together. Putting grease on every bolt took up more time, but hey gotta do it right.

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/I2LCgcym42jfSo3FnO3nHOrPHO_WlhTxDvV7YqD4nkE?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh5.ggpht.com/_kBcUyZpbTbY/TBvlMN09XcI/AAAAAAAABMs/4Nn3ndhZj1I/s144/0618000838sm.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/misteryim/TempFlyProX?authkey=Gv1sRgCIjL16Wk2uu4Xg&feat=embe dwebsite">temp Fly Pro X</a></td></tr></table>
    Decided to replace the front tire with Kenda Nevegal DTC 2.1, but for the rear wheel kept the Kenda Klimax that came with the bike. Completed the assembly by putting on a water bottle cage, tire pump, computer, and SPD pedals.

    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/PMiwpStswx1UXwhCsGPhLurPHO_WlhTxDvV7YqD4nkE?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.ggpht.com/_kBcUyZpbTbY/TBvlKkyQN9I/AAAAAAAABMo/Ne_GPXyED6U/s144/0618000840asm.jpg" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/misteryim/TempFlyProX?authkey=Gv1sRgCIjL16Wk2uu4Xg&feat=embe dwebsite">temp Fly Pro X</a></td></tr></table>
    The bike looks surprising comely in person. So far, I feel good about the purchase. I'm looking forward to taking it out for a spin.
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    I'm about your height and I'm thinking of getting this or the ti. If you don't mind me asking, what size did you get and how does it fit?

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    I had the Fantom and it was a good bike...the fly would be even better for XC use. I don't believe anyone could go wrong with either and i'm suer the components will hold up as well.

    Have fun and ride hard.

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    16"

    Quote Originally Posted by DGonzales
    I'm about your height and I'm thinking of getting this or the ti. If you don't mind me asking, what size did you get and how does it fit?
    I went with 16". 14" was available, but the geometry of the 16" was more in line with Competitive Cyclist Fit Calculator measurement. Its road bike measurements were pretty close to the road bike that fits me very well, so I'm confident that it gives good ball park figures.

    I don't know enough about mountain bike to offer any opinions, but I would go with whatever budget allows you. I ended up spending more money upgrading my road bike than if I just bought the model with better components. But, then again, I didn't know that I will be falling for cycling. I'm even venturing into the dark side.

    Getting back to your question, I'm 5'5" with 30" inseam. According to the web-site 14" will fit people my size. Judging from how I seat on this bike, I can see that. A friend of mine said that if I'm between two mountain bik size, I should go with the smaller size. He offered varied reasons for this advice. ... The tope tube length for 16" was very close to the recommendation from CC Fit Calculator, so I went with 16". I feel comfortable roaming the neighborhood with the new mountain. Though I haven't hit the trails yet, I'm fairly positive that I made the right choice with the size.

    I hope this helps.
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    Thanks for the reply. The reason I asked is that I was set on getting the 16 fathom pro ti but while building up my funds to buy it they got sold out. I know the 18 is too big for me so my only choice is the 14. I'm just worried that 14 maybe too small so I may just get the aluminum, but I had my heart set on that ti. My height is 5'5" and my inseam is 30 but I sometimes fit 29. I would like to hear from others that have a 14 pro ti with my measurements to chime in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DGonzales
    Thanks for the reply. The reason I asked is that I was set on getting the 16 fathom pro ti but while building up my funds to buy it they got sold out. I know the 18 is too big for me so my only choice is the 14. I'm just worried that 14 maybe too small so I may just get the aluminum, but I had my heart set on that ti. My height is 5'5" and my inseam is 30 but I sometimes fit 29. I would like to hear from others that have a 14 pro ti with my measurements to chime in.
    I'm 5'5" with 30 inseam 150 lbs rider. I ride a 14" Fly Team Ti. This fits me well but the seat post is all the way up. The toptube reach is perfect for me. If you're in between two sizes pick the bigger size for stability and pick the smaller size for agility. For the price of the Fantom Pro Ti, it will be foolish to go to aluminum, unless you like stiff, harsh rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scuver
    If you're in between two sizes pick the bigger size for stability and pick the smaller size for agility.
    +1

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    +1

    Quote Originally Posted by scuver
    If you're in between two sizes pick the bigger size for stability and pick the smaller size for agility.
    This is essentially what my friend said.

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    Thanks for the replies

    To light_monkey, I did not mean to steal the thread. I should have started a new thread but when I saw your measurements, I had to ask. So, I signed up and posted a reply. Btw, that's a nice looking bike, that's why I wanted Moto in the first place. Just can't beat the price with the components you get.

    I'm more at ease getting the 14 now thanks to all of you. I may be able to get the Fathom Pro Ti next month so I'll post the outcome when I get it. Thanks again for all your help and encouragement, mahalo.

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    not at all....

    Quote Originally Posted by DGonzales
    To light_monkey, I did not mean to steal the thread. I should have started a new thread but when I saw your measurements, I had to ask. So, I signed up and posted a reply. Btw, that's a nice looking bike, that's why I wanted Moto in the first place. Just can't beat the price with the components you get.

    I'm more at ease getting the 14 now thanks to all of you. I may be able to get the Fathom Pro Ti next month so I'll post the outcome when I get it. Thanks again for all your help and encouragement, mahalo.

    Steal??? Nay, you helped improve the thread. I feel no ownership of the conversation that I started. Good luck, and let us know how it works out.

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