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    BB5 and Dart 3 or Juicy 3 and Tora 318?

    I was about ready to get the Fantom Pro 29er but I've been reading about many of the components on mtbr and I'm not sure I want the Juicy 3 brakes, when I can get the BB5's on the Fantom 29er for $200 less and people seem to like the BB5's. The problem is the mixed reviews on the forks. The Pro 29er with the Juicy 3's comes with the Tora 318 and the other comes with the BB5's and Dart 3 forks. If the Tora 318 isn't considerably better then I think I'd be better off with the BB5 brakes according to the reviews. Here are the specs for each bike with the differences highlighted in red:
    Motobecane Fantom 29PRO Mountain Bike
    Frame MOTO29X Aluminum with TrailTuned PowerStay Design, DualProfile Downtube with reinforced Gusset, replaceable rear derailleur hanger, 2x H2O bosses
    Fork RockShox TORA RS318 WITH LOCKOUT, Up to 100mm travel*, Adjustable Rebound, SoloAir
    *Up to 100mm travel with easy conversion
    Crankset TruVativ FireX 22/32/44T with integrated GXP BB
    Bottom Bracket TruVativ GXP external bearing
    Pedals Mountain Platform
    Front Derailleur Shimano Deore
    Rear Derailleur Shimano XT long cage
    Shifters Shimano LX Mega-9 Rapid Fire 27 speed trigger shift
    Cassette/Freewheel Shimano HG cassette 9 speed 11-32T
    Chain Z9000 super narrow 9 speed
    Hubs Gravity by Formula Sealed Bearing Disc with Quick Release
    Spokes Double Butted Stainless steel
    Rims WTB FX28 Disc Black anodized Aluminum
    Tires WTB MotoRaptor 29x2.1
    Brakes Avid Juicy 3 Hydraulic Disc front and rear, 185mm rotor
    Brake Levers Avid Juicy 3 for Disc Brake

    Headset FSA or CaneCreek (NoChoice) Sealed Bearing threadless 1 1/8 in
    Handlebar Black Finish Aluminum 6061 T6
    Stem Black Finish Aluminum threadless
    Tape/Grip WTB DualCompound
    Saddle WTB SpeedV
    Seat Post Black Finish Aluminum Mountain 27.2mm
    Seat Post Clamp Super Light Alloy with Quick Release


    Motobecane Fantom 29 Mountain Bike
    Frame MOTO29X Aluminum with TrailTuned PowerStay Design, DualProfile Downtube with reinforced Gusset, replaceable rear derailleur hanger, 2x H2O bosses
    Fork RockShox DART3 WITH LOCKOUT, 80mm travel, Adjustable Rebound
    Crankset TruVativ 5D 22/32/44T
    Bottom Bracket TruVativ sealed

    Pedals Mountain Platform
    Front Derailleur Shimano Deore
    Rear Derailleur Shimano XT long cage
    Shifters Shimano Deore Mega-9 Rapid Fire 27 speed trigger shift
    Cassette/Freewheel Shimano HG cassette 9 speed 11-32T
    Chain Z9000 super narrow 9 speed
    Hubs Formula Sealed Bearing Disc with Quick Release
    Spokes Double Butted Stainless steel
    Rims WTB FX28 Disc Black anodized Aluminum
    Tires WTB MotoRaptor 29x2.1
    Brakes Avid BB5 BallBearing Mechanical Disc front and rear, 185mm rotor
    Brake Levers Avid FR5 for Disc Brake

    Headset FSA or CaneCreek (NoChoice) Sealed Bearing threadless 1 1/8 inch
    Handlebar Black Finish Aluminum 6061 T6
    Stem Black Finish Aluminum threadless
    Tape/Grip WTB DualCompound
    Saddle WTB SpeedV
    Seat Post Black Finish Aluminum Mountain 27.2mm
    Seat Post Clamp Super Light Alloy with Quick Release

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    Quote Originally Posted by cementum
    I was about ready to get the Fantom Pro 29er but I've been reading about many of the components on mtbr and I'm not sure I want the Juicy 3 brakes, when I can get the BB5's on the Fantom 29er for $200 less and people seem to like the BB5's. The problem is the mixed reviews on the forks. The Pro 29er with the Juicy 3's comes with the Tora 318 and the other comes with the BB5's and Dart 3 forks. If the Tora 318 isn't considerably better then I think I'd be better off with the BB5 brakes according to the reviews.
    From what I understand the Tora 318 is a lot better than the Dart3.

    An alternative is to move to the Windsor line, which uses the well-reviewed Fuji Tahoe frame geometry (different down tube cross section only). The Pro version of it gives you Juicy 5s and is slightly cheaper than the Motobecane.

    I couldn't decide either, so I broke the tie by ordering a Cliff29 Team. Problem solved...better brakes and fork...

    It is quite unfortunate that they didn't spec the BB7s on either the Comp or Pro bikes. I've heard such good things about the BB7s that I've considered selling the Juicy 7s on the Cliff 29 Team and putting BB7s on.

    Bob

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    I upgraded from the Dart 2 to the Tora 318. The Dart 2 is essentially the same as the Dart3. The Tora is a way better fork than the Dart. Assuming this is a recent model Tora Air, it has motion control, adjustable travel and is much stiffer and more plush than the Dart.
    When I'm not windsurfing, I'm mountain biking

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    Go with the Tora. Try the juicy 3's for a while and see if you like them (I did). If you decide you don't like them, you can ebay 'em, switch to BB5's and probably break even money wise.

    If you buy the dart and decide to upgrade, it will cost you more than the $200 extra you pay to get the Fantom 29Pro.

    I went with the Fantom 29Pro for the fork, and wasn't sure I would like the brakes. I do like them, and would get them again. I did have to bleed after a few months, but that's not a big deal if you're familiar with car brakes (or even if you're not).

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    Tora! Tora! Tora!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Out of curiosity, why are you looking at the Motobecane 29ers instead of the Windsors?

    Bob

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    I recently upgraded to a tora on my bike and it is holding up pretty good mine has the U-turn and it is pretty sweet!

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