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    the connector trail

    why is the connector closed today the ranger massege said to ride the north trails and the connector was closed. and is the state going to mow the grass a long the trails?

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    4 inches?

    Might have something to do with the 4 inches of rain the past 7 days.


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    The connecter is usually the best draining of all the various sections at SUKMSF. Was the blue loop at JM closed as well? The blue is usually the last to dry out.
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    They may have closed it to clear brush. I rode the connector on Sunday and it was very overgrown in certain areas. I came away with that "tickle fight with Wolverine" look. I think there was talk from someone on one of these massage boards of putting in a formal request with the DNR to have it cut back.

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    Overgrown...

    Quote Originally Posted by pmdishwash
    They may have closed it to clear brush. I rode the connector on Sunday and it was very overgrown in certain areas. I came away with that "tickle fight with Wolverine" look. I think there was talk from someone on one of these massage boards of putting in a formal request with the DNR to have it cut back.
    My wife and I were at Emma and did the big loop up to the overlook then the Connector to Bluff road and back. Wow, I got back to Emma bloody is several spots. Blackberry vines across the face is not my idea of fun. We swore off the Connector until we get word that it has been trimmed back. A nice "Brazilian", maybe?

    This was two weeks ago, probably worse now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pmdishwash
    "tickle fight with Wolverine"
    To the original poster - If that happens again, call the DNR HQ and check with them. Sometimes they open things up and it takes awhile for them to get somebody to go out and open every gate. If HQ is closed the best bet is to avoid riding a trail marked as closed. I rode everything today and all of the gates are open, except the southern part of muir (Squirrel and Finger).

    As to trail clearing - Anyone interested in working on clearing the trails of face slappers and backscratchers should pm me and I'll set them up with tools. I spent 3+ hours clearing the south bound connector from the overlook to near the second turnstyle in the pouring rain on tuesday. Rain days are the best time to do the work, because the trails are closed and the weight from the water droops the foliage into the trail, making the trimming job last a little longer. You might say....why doesn't the DNR do the trimming? Well, the DNR just doesn't currently have the staff or the budget to do much more than tread water. If you have a problem with that....(like I do) ....take it up with your state rep.

    I've tried to encourage everyone to get out and volunteer some time to help improve the trails that you ride. This is one of those times that we could really use the help and it doesn't require an organized workday to make it happen. All it takes is the willingness to contribute a little of your time. I know that Kenny is going to have a crew out at the muir trails tomorrow, during the day, clearing all of the 12 hours of Muir course and I also know that they would welcome some help.

    Another note - respect the closing of the southern portion of the Muir Trails (the Squirrel and the Finger). There is an orange snow fence that we deploy to indicate that those trails need additional time to dry. There are a growing number of mud boggs that have developed that will only get worse if riders just knock down the fence and ride those two sections, when they're wet.

    Alternate Challenging Route - When the two southern sections are closed, there is a good alt route that has great training hills included. My buddy JTM calls it the Hokey-Pokey. You start out riding a a White loop. At the top of the white loop climb, after you rejoin the red (now brown) trail....take the rainey dew (left) till it rejoins the blue green. At the bottom of Bermuda (the spot with the 4 big berms) turn right onto the orange trail and after the rocky technical section, climb the big orange hill back to the red that is now the brown trail and you've done the hokey-pokey. Or just do the rainey and head out to the connector towards emma for a longer ride.

    Keep our singletrack single - Anyone that's ridden in Fruita is familiar with the 'keep our singletrack single' signs. We want the same thing for our new singletrack at kettle. We're designing trails with rocks in the middle of the trail. Ride over them. Please do not widen the trail and ride around them. If you can't ride over, then walk over. We're building a skills loop, so you can learn the skills that you'll need to negotiate the types of obstacles that mountain bikers love. The Kettle Trail Crew are mountain bikers and we listen to what we and other mountain bikers like, when we build trail. Mountain bikers want challenging elements included into the design of our trails. They want narrow singletrack.....so please!.....keep our singletrack.....single.

    Support Races & Events that support the Trails - at the Southern Kettles that means the 12 hours at Muir and the Fall Color Fest. Find out which events return their profits back to the trails at your local trail and get involved however you can to support those events.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~gomez~
    To the original poster - If that happens again, call the DNR HQ and check with them. Sometimes they open things up and it takes awhile for them to get somebody to go out and open every gate. If HQ is closed the best bet is to avoid riding a trail marked as closed. I rode everything today and all of the gates are open, except the southern part of muir (Squirrel and Finger).

    As to trail clearing - Anyone interested in working on clearing the trails of face slappers and backscratchers should pm me and I'll set them up with tools. I spent 3+ hours clearing the south bound connector from the overlook to near the second turnstyle in the pouring rain on tuesday. Rain days are the best time to do the work, because the trails are closed and the weight from the water droops the foliage into the trail, making the trimming job last a little longer. You might say....why doesn't the DNR do the trimming? Well, the DNR just doesn't currently have the staff or the budget to do much more than tread water. If you have a problem with that....(like I do) ....take it up with your state rep.

    I've tried to encourage everyone to get out and volunteer some time to help improve the trails that you ride. This is one of those times that we could really use the help and it doesn't require an organized workday to make it happen. All it takes is the willingness to contribute a little of your time. I know that Kenny is going to have a crew out at the muir trails tomorrow, during the day, clearing all of the 12 hours of Muir course and I also know that they would welcome some help.

    Another note - respect the closing of the southern portion of the Muir Trails (the Squirrel and the Finger). There is an orange snow fence that we deploy to indicate that those trails need additional time to dry. There are a growing number of mud boggs that have developed that will only get worse if riders just knock down the fence and ride those two sections, when they're wet.

    Alternate Challenging Route - When the two southern sections are closed, there is a good alt route that has great training hills included. My buddy JTM calls it the Hokey-Pokey. You start out riding a a White loop. At the top of the white loop climb, after you rejoin the red (now brown) trail....take the rainey dew (left) till it rejoins the blue green. At the bottom of Bermuda (the spot with the 4 big berms) turn right onto the orange trail and after the rocky technical section, climb the big orange hill back to the red that is now the brown trail and you've done the hokey-pokey. Or just do the rainey and head out to the connector towards emma for a longer ride.

    Keep our singletrack single - Anyone that's ridden in Fruita is familiar with the 'keep our singletrack single' signs. We want the same thing for our new singletrack at kettle. We're designing trails with rocks in the middle of the trail. Ride over them. Please do not widen the trail and ride around them. If you can't ride over, then walk over. We're building a skills loop, so you can learn the skills that you'll need to negotiate the types of obstacles that mountain bikers love. The Kettle Trail Crew are mountain bikers and we listen to what we and other mountain bikers like, when we build trail. Mountain bikers want challenging elements included into the design of our trails. They want narrow singletrack.....so please!.....keep our singletrack.....single.

    Support Races & Events that support the Trails - at the Southern Kettles that means the 12 hours at Muir and the Fall Color Fest. Find out which events return their profits back to the trails at your local trail and get involved however you can to support those events.
    you guys do a great job on trails but you should make the trials fun for ever one not only the skilled riders like having a bypass at logs or big rocks sametime you do. I have rode at fruita I know what single is. I have been riding at kettle for 15 years and seen alot of changes some good and bad. I never ride a closed trail. I just wanted to know why the connector was closed.

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    Just the first paragraph was for you dbikeco....the rest was just a general rant, I needed to get out of my system. I'm not talking about big rocks....we're talking about rocks that stick out of the ground a few inches. All of the big rocks have (ride-arounds) built into them. I've been riding MTB at Kettle since 1986, so I know what you mean with the good the bad (and the ugly).

    I quoted the wolverine statement and never mentioned how much I liked that phrase. I'll bet you a six pack, that nobody will pm me about getting out there to prune back the over-growth. I almost always look like I play tickle with a wolverine.

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    So, at what point does the WI DNR do trail work? I understand volunteering to do some of it, but I am not exactly sure why the DNR does not have a couple of scheduled "power tool" days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Litemike
    So, at what point does the WI DNR do trail work? I understand volunteering to do some of it, but I am not exactly sure why the DNR does not have a couple of scheduled "power tool" days?
    Close to "never".

    The state of Wisconsin is several billion $ in the red. Mountain bike trail maintenance is way, way down the priority list. Edit/ Actually, anything to do with the DNR is pretty far down on the list to begin with. /Edit

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    trails for everyone!

    My six year old did the red loop several times. He walked one section 2 different times, then cleaned it. My 5 year-old rode the beginner path, which can be almost "lawn like" and slow going. He didn't like it. He liked the red loop, but had to walk many spots. He was very proud and anxious to do better.

    If a big rock is half the size of my dinner table, I have not seen a single big rock at the S Kettle. If a big rock is the size of a sea turtle, I've seen just one on the connector trail. I had to go out of my way to ride over it. If a rock is smaller than a sea turtle it is not big, it is something else.

    If a rider stays in the parking lot, or just rides the lawn-like beginner section they can avoid every single obstacle that may be on a natural surface single track trail.

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    Well I owe a six pack of beer to dbikeco, cuz Paladin pm'd me and he's going to join me next week some time to trim the wolverine's claws.......anybody else wanna join us? I'll post up the details here, but don't feel like you need any sort of special permission to go out and cut this stuff back. On severely overgrown sections, let me know where they are, and I'll get out there with the gas powered trimmer.....on the rest of the smaller stuff, just carry a small pruner in your camelback (if you want to help) and give the trail a haircut.....a buzz cut. TrailBlazer Dave tells me that if the DNR goes out and does the trimming, they'll come through with large equipment and make it 10' wide. He also said that if enough people complain, they can close off the bad sections untill they get around to clearing them. That would suck.

    The bottom line here, is the big growth season is almost over......once the days start getting shorter (next Tuesday), plants naturally shift their efforts to producing seeds, or fruit instead of expanding stems and leaves (admitted generalization). So the next time you want to ride and the trails are closed due to wet conditions.....consider taking a hike and hacking back some overgrowth....everybody will appreciate it.....I'll buy you a beer! or a soda if you don't drink beer! Or if you'd prefer to do some pruning during a ride.....just post something up about which section you trim, so we know where it's been cleared.

    FYI - There's a crew going out today to clear, much of the Muir Trails, so the 12 hour race has a clear path.....the 12 hour course covers quite a bit of the entire muir cluster.....the course can be seen at http://teamcyclopath.blogspot.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ~gomez~
    Well I owe a six pack of beer to dbikeco, cuz Paladin pm'd me and he's going to join me next week some time to trim the wolverine's claws.......anybody else wanna join us? I'll post up the details here, but don't feel like you need any sort of special permission to go out and cut this stuff back. On severely overgrown sections, let me know where they are, and I'll get out there with the gas powered trimmer.....on the rest of the smaller stuff, just carry a small pruner in your camelback (if you want to help) and give the trail a haircut.....a buzz cut. TrailBlazer Dave tells me that if the DNR goes out and does the trimming, they'll come through with large equipment and make it 10' wide. He also said that if enough people complain, they can close off the bad sections untill they get around to clearing them. That would suck.

    The bottom line here, is the big growth season is almost over......once the days start getting shorter (next Tuesday), plants naturally shift their efforts to producing seeds, or fruit instead of expanding stems and leaves (admitted generalization). So the next time you want to ride and the trails are closed due to wet conditions.....consider taking a hike and hacking back some overgrowth....everybody will appreciate it.....I'll buy you a beer! or a soda if you don't drink beer! Or if you'd prefer to do some pruning during a ride.....just post something up about which section you trim, so we know where it's been cleared.

    FYI - There's a crew going out today to clear, much of the Muir Trails, so the 12 hour race has a clear path.....the 12 hour course covers quite a bit of the entire muir cluster.....the course can be seen at http://teamcyclopath.blogspot.com/

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    So, if I wanted, could I bring a chainsaw? A gas power trimmer and pruners may be a bit weak for a lot of the spots, I mean, you guys know how deep it gets in there.

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    You won't need a chainsaw.

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    <a href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/gomez_lakeraven/4725033436/" title="Kettle Solstice by ~gomez~, on Flickr"><img src="https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1334/4725033436_7c6bb25298.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="Kettle Solstice" /></a>

    My buddy Tom and I rode Emma and the connector yesterday out to the downed tree, just south of Young Rd. and used the saw to remove the part blocking the trail. I made the 'chucky' switchbacks with my singlespeed for the first time on the way out there (yay).

    The worst part of the connector, right now, seems to be the southbound section between Tamarac and young.

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