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    Best technical trails?

    I'm looking for some more technical trails in the area. I live in cental wi, so with that comes riding at standing rocks, 9 mile and levis mound every chance I get. But I'm looking to venture out a little farther in search of some more technical terrain.

    I love riding rocky, rooty and twisting single track up and down. Where else should I look? Please point me towards some of your favorite technical trails.

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    Have you tried Underdown?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeppy View Post
    Have you tried Underdown?
    Not yet, iv heard about it though. I'll have to give it a try soon.

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    Nordic Mountain has some pretty technical stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeppy View Post
    Have you tried Underdown?
    I second that vote. Underdown beats 9 Mile hands down.

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    Blue Mound in Mt Horeb is full of rocks and roots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ha-evolution View Post
    I second that vote. Underdown beats 9 Mile hands down.
    Nine Mile is a fine place, but when you combine all factors, I don't think there is a better area in the state than Underdown. I will warn everyone that by the middle of June, the bugs will be atrocious there. However, a trip there in the fall is magical. Extremely well-built singletrack (about 20 miles of it) with roots galore, off-camber stuff, bridges, beautiful scenery in legitimate forest land and it gives you a great workout. As the guys at Fat Tire Guides say, you feel like you're going uphill the entire time.

    The Holy Schist (I believe it's called) trail at Blue Mound is probably the most technical I've seen in the state. I remember when the WORS race was out there a few years ago and the Lalonde brothers were 1 and 2 and I think their average speed was 7 mph on that.

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    Was just at hartman creek this past weekend. While not super technical there's tons of man made obstacles.

    Found a couple photos of them:
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    Trails about 9-10 miles long and very fast!

    Would love to here more suggestions in the central Wisconsin. Have a cottage on the lakes adjacent to Nordic Mountain and I'm kinda of bored of that course...

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    Thanks for the recommendations, I'll have to give underdown a try here in the next week or so seeing as it's not too far away.

    SilkySlim, I thought Hartman was a pretty tame trail, standing rocks and 9 mile are both pretty close to you, and are both pretty good trails, with a lot of variety. Definitely worth a shot.

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    Agreed that hartman is tame, but I enjoyed my ride out there more so than nordic mountain. 9 mile is definitely on my list to try. Levis Mounds is great but the 4 hour round trip makes it difficult for a day trip.

    Rode standing rocks last summer and didn't enjoy it (though it might have been the insane humidity and the 3 ticks I got during the ride :-) ) I'll have to give it another try.

    Have you tried the trails at Ripon college?

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    I have not tried them.

    Standing rocks is a few miles from me so it becomes much less fun after riding it 10 or 15 times.

    When you hit nine mile be sure to ride trails 1-3 and 11-13 if you like rocks

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    If you go as far as Underdown head a little farther and check out Washburn Lake.

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    Another vote for Blue Mound State Park (although the bike trails aren't open yet, they should be soon.) You can camp, hike, and hit up the Grumpy Troll in Mt. Horeb for some good food and beer.

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    Went to Hartman today and was surprised by that teeter totter- I had no idea what it was when I rode up onto it! Fast and more man made obstacles than I remember from the last time out.

    I ride Ripon often as it is the closest trail to my house, main loop is only about a mile but there are a few different offshoots and you can create 3 different loops. There are a few manmade obstacles and some interesting rock features, switchbacks, etc. Not super technical overall but it is professionally built, fast and fun, multiple berms to get some air. There are gravel trails where you can add some difficult climbs and mileage.

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    Well it was under down or levis mound today and you can see what won out. Levis was calling my name. Not the most technical ride but the climbs sure were tough and the descents rewarding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawnboi View Post
    I have not tried them.

    Standing rocks is a few miles from me so it becomes much less fun after riding it 10 or 15 times.

    When you hit nine mile be sure to ride trails 1-3 and 11-13 if you like rocks
    I would just add to anyone considering driving over to Standing to ride, to be sure to call the phone number on the Portage County Parks Dept. website about trail conditions. When I say that they will close the trails after a smattering of rain, I'm not exaggerating. Their hearts are in the right place, but it became downright silly sometimes. Keep in mind that the soil is mostly sand there. It could be a day and a half, two days, even three days after a rain and they would have the trails closed. The trails are certainly worth a trip, especially if you like rock gardens, but make sure to call first. I understand that the local MTB group has raised the issue of "overly careful" trail closures with the county.

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    For technical, Bluemounds is the beast. If that is your thing you will greatly enjoy it. For a good mix of flow and technical try the Nicolet Roche, about an hour East of Nine Mile. Over 40 boulders that can be either ridden around or rode over. It is great fun.

    Underdown is loved by many. Cam-rock, by the end of next week, will be incredibly better than its already awesome self.


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    If 9 mile isn't technical enough for ya just ride it faster especially 11-13 and some of 1 and then try to clean Poop Rock. Look for big improvements out there coming this summer. The Roche is the bomb as well, thanks CJ for all your work you do out there as it is my 2nd home trail system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    If 9 mile isn't technical enough for ya just ride it faster especially 11-13 and some of 1 and then try to clean Poop Rock. Look for big improvements out there coming this summer. The Roche is the bomb as well, thanks CJ for all your work you do out there as it is my 2nd home trail system.

    Looking forward if you guys are planning on putting some more tech out at nine mile.

    And I already try to bomb the rock gardens out on 11-13, my suspension does not like that section! Those are my favorite trails to ride, and the big rock garden across the road gets cleaned both up and down multiple times when I go there, love playing on that feature, in fact it's the feature that made me really start enjoying rock gardens when I got started biking years ago.

    If your a trail builder out there keep up the good work! Also any info on the group would be appreciated as I wouldn't mind helping if your building more technical trail

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    I love tech...where can I learn more about Underdown and Nine Mile?...like where they are etc.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawnboi View Post
    Looking forward if you guys are planning on putting some more tech out at nine mile.

    And I already try to bomb the rock gardens out on 11-13, my suspension does not like that section! Those are my favorite trails to ride, and the big rock garden across the road gets cleaned both up and down multiple times when I go there, love playing on that feature, in fact it's the feature that made me really start enjoying rock gardens when I got started biking years ago.

    If your a trail builder out there keep up the good work! Also any info on the group would be appreciated as I wouldn't mind helping if your building more technical trail
    You can get some info here CWOCC | Building a Stronger Mountain Biking Community or on the CWOCC facebook page. We don't have a lot planned this year for more technical but we are kinda revamping the whole thing and making more of a loop system. Oh and Poop Rock is up off of Stinger, it's a blast if you can find it.

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    Singletracks.com. Ha, that resource sucks. It calls the Nicolet Roche the Nicolet National Forest, it was named about 8 years ago, and the review is from when there was 1/3rd the amount of trail. There is "trails" link at the top of this site. I also like fattireguides.com

    with all database sites, the info will almost always be outdated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaHag View Post
    I love tech...where can I learn more about Underdown and Nine Mile?...like where they are etc.

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    Roche is a blast.
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    Here is a link to Nine Mile info:

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    Have you thought about Copper Harbor, MI? Was there a week ago and it was a blast. We shuttled and were still tired after half a day. Not many places in upper midwest that you can get 10+min descents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-one1 View Post
    Have you thought about Copper Harbor, MI? Was there a week ago and it was a blast. We shuttled and were still tired after half a day. Not many places in upper midwest that you can get 10+min descents.
    IF the UP was economically viable, I'd move there in a second. If you are into cycling and skiing, there is no place in the Midwest that is better.

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    Snowmobiling aint so bad either

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    Iv been thinking a late summer trip up to copper harbor, and marquette might be good.

    Any of you under down and Roche guys, how well does the trail drain? Thinking of going up there tomorrow, but if it's going to be too wet I'd hate to drive all that way

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    the Roche drains very well. I can't speak for Underdown, but the Roche will be fine. Start off Campground Dr. Middle of first curve going North, park where you can. No fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawnboi View Post
    Iv been thinking a late summer trip up to copper harbor, and marquette might be good.

    Any of you under down and Roche guys, how well does the trail drain? Thinking of going up there tomorrow, but if it's going to be too wet I'd hate to drive all that way
    I was thinking about heading over, as well, but Underdown can stay wet for awhile, so perhaps Roche is the better choice.

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    Where the heck is poop rock at 9 mile? Looked but couldn't find it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by insguy 2 View Post
    I have been searching for videos posted on the net of the Underdown trail and so far have found nothing. Can someone provide some links to the Underdown trail and other worthy technical trails in Wisconsin. Most states I visit to ride have numerous videos of their trail systems to share with others am I missing something in my search?

    Just in the town of Sedona, AZ we have hundreds of videos posted on the net of out user created trail system we are so proud of. One of you most popular MTBR posters thinks user created trails (trails built without land manager permission) are the biggest threat to mountain biking in the USA.

    So far I am having a hard time determining if Wisconsin mountain bikers even do many videos of their favorite rides. Please share some links to some advanced rides you enjoy riding.
    Most of our trails our cut through woods, not to many scenic views or fancy rock formations (except Levis) just ups and downs with a few rocks. Fun but not really that exciting to watch on video.

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    Insguy2 what do your posts have to do with technical trail suggestions/ discussion in Central Wisconsin? You are have laid out the Sedona agenda in your original thread(s). I don't wish to share an opinion on your original thread, but it appears you are being misleading or manipulative by posting here to gather information on it.

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    Well that took a turn. Let's get back on topic, we had a good thread going here.

    insguy 2, if you want to know about wi trails, and what's going on here please by all means post in this thread, but please keep the other stuff out of this thread at least.

    And if you want to know what Midwest trails are like, come ride them and form your own opinion.

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    Blue mound would be the most tech that I've rode in Wisconsin. Cuyuna has one trail that is super technical, with the rest of it being well built flow trail. Lebanon hills in Eagan MN has one technical trail and is a fun ride when passing through the twin cities. Hoping to make the trip over to Nicolet Roche this season to check that out.

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    insguy 2,
    WTF does that have to do with the topic at hand?

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    Personally I can't stomach POV bike footage, 99% of it is absolute garbage and makes me nauseated. I generally take peoples word for what a particular trail will be like, but I would just as soon just ride it and form my own opinion anyway. I suppose us Wisconsinites should ride less and spend more time setting up cameras to show you what our trails are like.

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    Most of the POV footage I've seen of Wisconsin trails make good, fun trails look boring. Not going to waste my time posting any of those types of videos. Besides, there is nothing like riding a new trail for the first time. Watching someone ride it before I get to experience it first hand would not interest me in the least.

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    What ever happened with the Wausau folks and Big Eau Pleine? Years ago, when I rode the first mile or two of the singletrack they had started building, it was fairly techy. I know the plans were for like 10 miles of singletrack but I haven't been back. Combined with the fact that they had a good 8 miles of doubletrack, that place really had potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGalt View Post
    What ever happened with the Wausau folks and Big Eau Pleine? Years ago, when I rode the first mile or two of the singletrack they had started building, it was fairly techy. I know the plans were for like 10 miles of singletrack but I haven't been back. Combined with the fact that they had a good 8 miles of doubletrack, that place really had potential.
    A guy took over the work 2 years ago after a high water spring pretty much wiped it out and it was riding pretty good. Now I just talked to him tonight and it is pretty wet yet with a lot of trees down with an angry horde of mosquitoes so I don't think it will be up and running again anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan K. Farmer View Post
    Blue mound would be the most tech that I've rode in Wisconsin. Cuyuna has one trail that is super technical, with the rest of it being well built flow trail. Lebanon hills in Eagan MN has one technical trail and is a fun ride when passing through the twin cities. Hoping to make the trip over to Nicolet Roche this season to check that out.

    Best part is if your heading into wi in that direction you could easily make a weekend and ride some great trails on the way to or from.

    and maybe if we just ignore him he will go away.

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    Lawnboi have you ever ridden Baird Creek in Green Bay? Roots & bridges with some nice climbs and descents, more technical than most of what we see in NE Wisconsin. Lots of work done over the last few years, about 9 miles of trail I believe. Gives you an excuse to check out reforestation camp also, not very technical but well built 10 miles of fast singletrack.

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    Lots of trails I need to check out.

    Unfortunatly the funds for driving across wi are going to have to wait till after a bike trip to co and ut iv got coming at the end of the month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    A guy took over the work 2 years ago after a high water spring pretty much wiped it out and it was riding pretty good. Now I just talked to him tonight and it is pretty wet yet with a lot of trees down with an angry horde of mosquitoes so I don't think it will be up and running again anytime soon.
    Too bad, that's a nice second option to have over there. I can't ride the same place over and over, regardless how good it is, and Nine Mile is very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawnboi View Post
    Lots of trails I need to check out.

    Unfortunatly the funds for driving across wi are going to have to wait till after a bike trip to co and ut iv got coming at the end of the month.
    You do know about the "undercover" singletrack off the Green Circle Trail, right? That was always a way to mix it up a little bit without riding Standing Rocks all the time. I know "The Island," right off of Riverview Drive is still maintained. I don't know if anyone has maintained the other two sections, one behind the firehouse on Patch St. and the airport trails. Someone had added a mile and a half or two miles more singletrack out by the airport a couple years ago when I was out there.

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    I have rode the green circle stuff, a few years ago. It seemed alright. Has any work been done recently to it?

    Lately iv just been loving 9 mile. It's been my usual ride with standing rocks thrown in there every once n a while.

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    I think stunts have been continually added to The Island. I suspect the other two spots have been neglected. That's too bad as there were a good 3 miles with the newer addition out at the airport and I always like the firehouse trail. There was a downhill section in the sand that was kind of gnarly if you rode it fast. I'd check those latter two out, just to see if anyone's kept them going. You should be able to spot them fairly easily off the trail. The airport singletrack is right off the trailhead, just as you start the ski trail that goes down by the river. The added section starts in the pines.

    I always enjoyed Hartman Creek, just because I could ride it really fast. It is just really well-constructed singletrack, but I understand you probably lean more towards more technical stuff.

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    Hartman gets old for me, just seems like 10 miles of the same exact thing.

    I love 9 mile and levis cause the trails are 2 way, and some are pretty technical. So I can get in 20+ miles of riding without doing the same thing twice.

    Standing rocks is just 11 miles one way. Which brings me to my one main complaint about standing rocks... Why the heck is it a 1 way trail!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawnboi View Post
    Hartman gets old for me, just seems like 10 miles of the same exact thing.

    I love 9 mile and levis cause the trails are 2 way, and some are pretty technical. So I can get in 20+ miles of riding without doing the same thing twice.

    Standing rocks is just 11 miles one way. Which brings me to my one main complaint about standing rocks... Why the heck is it a 1 way trail!?
    Standing rocks singletrack is one way, but as far as I know you can cut out on the doubletrack and skip/re-ride sections of the singletrack. At least that is what I always do.

    To the OP Blue Mounds state park is full of gnarly rocky technical goodness!

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    You can skip around on standing rocks. But I'm just saying I don't understand why it's a one way trail. There are no fast or dangerous obstacles, or traffic on that trail to really warrant making it a one way trail IMO.

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    The red trails at Lebanon Hills in Eagan, MN offer up some great rock gardens and challenging 'stepped' climbs. Great trail system. If you are ever in the twin-cities area it is a must-ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawnboi View Post
    Hartman gets old for me, just seems like 10 miles of the same exact thing.

    I love 9 mile and levis cause the trails are 2 way, and some are pretty technical. So I can get in 20+ miles of riding without doing the same thing twice.

    Standing rocks is just 11 miles one way. Which brings me to my one main complaint about standing rocks... Why the heck is it a 1 way trail!?
    I'm on the opposite side, I love one-way trails. Standing isn't so bad, because it doesn't get a huge amount of traffic, but I'd still prefer it. Over here in Eau Claire, it's to the point that I avoid Lowes Creek on the weekends. Last summer, I had three near head-ons, one in which the other rider seemed pretty experienced, but screamed like a little girl as he put the bike down to avoid a collision. I rode it out to a different trail down the ravine. In other cases, it was entirely dependent upon my ability to react quickly and make a quick detour. With inexperienced riders, they have no idea what to do if they meet someone coming the other way and they assume that no one else is on the trails, much less coming the opposite direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGalt View Post
    With inexperienced riders, they have no idea what to do if they meet someone coming the other way and they assume that no one else is on the trails, much less coming the opposite direction.
    One way trails are great where the numbers of users create safety concerns. This is especially true where flow and other factors can get users up to higher rates of speed, thereby shortening the reaction time of both parties. Its just not noobs that can get tangled up on two way trails. Seen more than a few "experienced" riders on the local trail (30,000+ trail rides a summer) cruising in maximum thrust mode with seemingly no idea people would be going the other way. No bell either.

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    lawnboi,

    If you end up taking that trip to the UP, I'd recommend hitting up the trails at Adventure Mine near Greenland, MI. They have some very rocky and technical trails with a good amount of elevation change. Pretty old school, but lots of fun if you like technical riding.

    You will certainly enjoy the riding in Copper Harbor and Marquette as well. Both places have a very good mix of fast, flowy, and technical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blizzard_mk View Post
    lawnboi,

    If you end up taking that trip to the UP, I'd recommend hitting up the trails at Adventure Mine near Greenland, MI. They have some very rocky and technical trails with a good amount of elevation change. Pretty old school, but lots of fun if you like technical riding.

    You will certainly enjoy the riding in Copper Harbor and Marquette as well. Both places have a very good mix of fast, flowy, and technical.
    The more I hear about these trail the more I'm interested in heading up to the up. Sounds like a good mix of downhill riding as well as technical and xc riding around the area.

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    The more I hear about these trail the more I'm interested in heading up to the up. Sounds like a good mix of downhill riding as well as technical and xc riding around the area.
    Yup.

    Copper Harbor is amazing and continues to get better.

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    So I've read the whole thread now and I'm not sure exactly what you are after or what you consider technical. Are you looking for slow speed tech and tough climbing or looking for higher speed descending tech? A good mix? I would suggest copper harbor, MI tech and Marquette also Duluth- piedmont and spirit mountain is really fun and developing great tech dh trails. Also redwing mn is fun. Cuyuna isn't very technical but fun for a weekend trip. The twin cities are OK. Battle creek is probably the most technical , Lebanon is also good but very busy. I would also say check out the rock sports complex in franklin wi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cglasford View Post
    So I've read the whole thread now and I'm not sure exactly what you are after or what you consider technical.
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    Not smooth and flat basically.

    a little more than a lot of the more xc oriented trails in the area.

    i do like a good mix, up, down, slow, fast, rocky, with tight turns and opportunities to get off the ground

    but yes the thread got a little off the original topic, I was originally asking for more roots and rocks.

    Not a problem being a little off topic as long as we keep Arizona joe out of here. I like to hear about trails in and around the area that may be worth a try.

    Either way, there's some good info in this thread, now I just need the time to venture out and try some of these trails.

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    Go to duluth or the up .... you won't be disappointed

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
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    Iv put up over 100 single track miles at 9 mile in the last couple weeks. And still can't find poop rock??

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawnboi View Post
    Iv put up over 100 single track miles at 9 mile in the last couple weeks. And still can't find poop rock??
    That place is confusing when you get out to the back forty (the higher numbered trails). I wonder if it is out there somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ha-evolution View Post
    That place is confusing when you get out to the back forty (the higher numbered trails). I wonder if it is out there somewhere.
    Supposedly it is some where. I always try to stay on the single track, and I think I know it well enough.

    They are trying to loop everything together out there, it's not done yet, but some areas connect to make a nice loop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ha-evolution View Post
    That place is confusing when you get out to the back forty (the higher numbered trails). I wonder if it is out there somewhere.
    It's an unauthorized trail up off of Stinger. Turn right by the rock with pool on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ha-evolution View Post
    That place is confusing when you get out to the back forty (the higher numbered trails). I wonder if it is out there somewhere.
    I have the best sense of direction of anyone I know and I never fail to get turned all around back in that part at Nine Mile. Great riding there, but I always felt the organization of the trails left something to be desired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawnboi View Post
    Not smooth and flat basically.

    a little more than a lot of the more xc oriented trails in the area.

    i do like a good mix, up, down, slow, fast, rocky, with tight turns and opportunities to get off the ground

    but yes the thread got a little off the original topic, I was originally asking for more roots and rocks.

    Not a problem being a little off topic as long as we keep Arizona joe out of here. I like to hear about trails in and around the area that may be worth a try.

    Either way, there's some good info in this thread, now I just need the time to venture out and try some of these trails.
    I forget if anyone has mentioned Rock Lake, but I think you'd enjoy that one, given your criteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGalt View Post
    I have the best sense of direction of anyone I know and I never fail to get turned all around back in that part at Nine Mile. Great riding there, but I always felt the organization of the trails left something to be desired.
    I'm so glad you brought this up, right now there is a local club (CWOCC) that has a Vermeer rented this summer and is in the process of creating a loop system at 9mile. So now is your chance to help make a difference, trail work is usually Wednesday nights and some Saturdays. Check for details here https://www.facebook.com/groups/362878050453494/

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGalt View Post
    I forget if anyone has mentioned Rock Lake, but I think you'd enjoy that one, given your criteria.
    That's one area I have ridden, on the camba trail? Though it was years ago when I was on a rigid single speed and hated rocks.

    and nine mile is awesome, once you learn it. The first few time I rode it we were left scratching our heads and riding double track all over the place.

    Im im glad to hear you guys are building up a loop up there. You guys are building some great trails there. I'll have to look into getting involved as well. Unfortunately Wednesdays are always meeting nights for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdundee View Post
    I'm so glad you brought this up, right now there is a local club (CWOCC) that has a Vermeer rented this summer and is in the process of creating a loop system at 9mile. So now is your chance to help make a difference, trail work is usually Wednesday nights and some Saturdays. Check for details here https://www.facebook.com/groups/362878050453494/
    I'd love to do it, but I live two hours away. I'm going to have to stick with helping out the local group here. I haven't been to Nine Mile in a few years, but I appreciate that you folks are doing all this work.

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    Awesome thread - thanks to the info here I am planning a few rides on my way back from Elkhart Lake to Eau Claire on Friday. Going to hit up Greanleaf and then Hartman as I have never ridden either trail.

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    Another vote for Blue Mounds, they are technically challenging from beginning to end yet still flow well. What I love about them is they are not over engineered machine built trails which is the overwhelming trend these days. Pure flow is fun and all but I like a trail where there are sections that are challenging to get through without dabbing. BTW, they have opened for the season and are in really good shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brassnipples View Post
    BTW, they have opened for the season and are in really good shape.
    Great news!

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    Emma Carlin Green loop and the Muir-Carlin Connector are also technically challenging while still being flowy and fast at times. The Southern Kettles are well worth a 2-3 hour drive.

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    Emma Carlin Green loop and the Muir-Carlin Connector are also technically challenging while still being flowy and fast at times. The Southern Kettles are well worth a 2-3 hour drive.
    Not intending to pick a fight, I love both Kettles and BMSP, but I can't call Kettles "technical" if Blue Mound is. This may be important for some to know so they don't get in over their heads. I met riders on Sunday who had a bad experience based on hearing both places are great. At one our races I faced a grown man crying, pouting, throwing his gear and asking for his money back because we scratched his bike and subjected him to abuse when he "expected a mountain bike race".

    There are also beginners who love BMSP. Nothing will top the time we saw a dad in Bermuda shorts, topsiders, and son both with no helmets and Wal-mart bikes having a grand time there after rain no less.

    Blue Mound has washing machine through house-sized rocks influencing design, glacier's didn't clean it up, and there's more vertical than any ski area in the state.
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    I was a bit surprised at the technical comment for Southern Kettle. Not very technical at all IMO. Over the years it has become more flow and less technical. It is a fun ride however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitflogger View Post
    Not intending to pick a fight, I love both Kettles and BMSP, but I can't call Kettles "technical" if Blue Mound is. This may be important for some to know so they don't get in over their heads. I met riders on Sunday who had a bad experience based on hearing both places are great. At one our races I faced a grown man crying, pouting, throwing his gear and asking for his money back because we scratched his bike and subjected him to abuse when he "expected a mountain bike race".

    There are also beginners who love BMSP. Nothing will top the time we saw a dad in Bermuda shorts, topsiders, and son both with no helmets and Wal-mart bikes having a grand time there after rain no less.

    Blue Mound has washing machine through house-sized rocks influencing design, glacier's didn't clean it up, and there's more vertical than any ski area in the state.
    I would call 1/8th of the Southern Kettles technical. Mainly portions of the connector and Emma Carlin green, especially after the buffing of the past decade. I agree that BMSP is on a whole different level, but there are still some challenges to be had there, just not as high on the 'unrelenting' scale.

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    BMSP is what I would call technical. Not only in skill needed, but physically and mentally. You need to ride loose enough to allow your bike to flow there, yet be ready for that jarring pedal strike or that rock you somehow didn't see that kicks your rear end out. Nature gave us something there that the trail builders did a great job of harnessing...you weave and mash your way through a rocky climb, then get a flowy decent, just enough flow to possibly make you relax your mental alertness, and then it will bite you and make you feel as if you are in the middle of a fight between a wolverine and badger. This is not meant in a bad way at all, I love BMSP, after riding there you will be a better rider, it forces you to be. Last weekend I rode there and just could not get my mind to concentrate enough to be real technical, finished the whole loop and wondered if my skills were done for, too old, put a fork in me. So off to Cam-Rock I went, and rode for 3 hours feeling like my skills were so good that I must have made a deal with the devil back at "Holy Schist".

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    A quick update on Blue Mound: The extended wet season this year finally ended a week ago and the trails have been open. We're still working to get ahead of the weeds, but everything can be ridden. The new reroutes in Serpentine Climb and Holy Schist are mostly roughed in, but as of now there are another 50 yards to go to bust through for the bail out on Serpentine Climb. The signage is currently completely lacking, but the penalty for getting turned around is very small. Hope to have this all cleared up by this weekend (July 26-27).

    Longer term goals are in progress. We're arranging a meeting with the DNR to discuss the fate of the incomplete Pokerville Trail loop. We're hoping to get the local players to support a project to turnpike the mucky areas in the beginner section that kept the trails closed so long this spring/early summer. Despite numerous claims on my time, I'm aiming to have the Holy Schist reroute completely finished by fall.

    The reroute, ~1/2 mile, will be an experiment in putting flow trail into the most technical area of the park. Why mess with something so vital and primitive? Because, in my experience, the fun in technical trail is greatest in the flats or climbs. Technical downhills-it just feels punishing to stay on the brakes all the way back down after a tough climb. Flow downhills are more fun. There are still enormous rocks to ride over, and even jump off, so it's going to be flow trail Blue Mound style.

    (The gnar in Holy Schist was as much eroded in as designed in. New trail will usually be less gnarly than what it replaced. Then there's that thing I have about not building fall-line trail. Then there's the issue of the original trail being accidentally built on the neighbor's land, outside the legal park boundary. Oopsie!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGalt View Post
    I think stunts have been continually added to The Island. I suspect the other two spots have been neglected. That's too bad as there were a good 3 miles with the newer addition out at the airport and I always like the firehouse trail. There was a downhill section in the sand that was kind of gnarly if you rode it fast. I'd check those latter two out, just to see if anyone's kept them going. You should be able to spot them fairly easily off the trail. The airport singletrack is right off the trailhead, just as you start the ski trail that goes down by the river. The added section starts in the pines.
    The island is still very good. The firehouse trails are still maintained as well. There is a mile or two of singletrack in the pine trees by the Windsor apartments as well.

    I went back the airport last night, parked at the skiing trail head. Rode around the ski trails and found some singletrack. Some looks kept up, but I just about rode into someone's backyard. Other chunks off of Plover Heights road look to be boy scout land possibly? Not sure if there is other stuff I missed.

    There are trails in the water well area on the other side of the plover river there.

    Hmm...anything else out there in Central WI? Love finding out about this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omicron View Post
    The island is still very good. The firehouse trails are still maintained as well. There is a mile or two of singletrack in the pine trees by the Windsor apartments as well.

    I went back the airport last night, parked at the skiing trail head. Rode around the ski trails and found some singletrack. Some looks kept up, but I just about rode into someone's backyard. Other chunks off of Plover Heights road look to be boy scout land possibly? Not sure if there is other stuff I missed.

    There are trails in the water well area on the other side of the plover river there.

    Hmm...anything else out there in Central WI? Love finding out about this stuff.
    Underdown, Underdown, Underdown. Best place in central Wisconsin, IMO.

    The place I meant over by the airport is when you go across the bridge over I-39 on Janick Circle Rd. and park on E. Maria Drive. If you go to the fork in the trail, take the trail that starts to go downhill a bit towards the river. Immediately on your left you will see some singletrack. I don't know if that's been kept up. Further down the ski trail that goes right next to the river from that trailhead, about a 1/4 mile, as oyu get into the pine trees on your left, you will see another trail taking off into the woods. All total, if you do both of those segments, it must be at least 3 miles.

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    if your in southern wi and in need of tech trails . try lake Geneva canopy tours. these trails are pretty technical but also flow . best of all they are usually open when conditions close other nearby trail systems . also open all winter and snowshoe groomed by treadhead cycling and daily snowshoe traffic. there is a daily or annual trail fee that can be paid at the canopy tour office located right across the street from trails . the fee goes to landowner and is used for trail features , building , upkeep and signage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGalt View Post
    Underdown, Underdown, Underdown. Best place in central Wisconsin, IMO.

    The place I meant over by the airport is when you go across the bridge over I-39 on Janick Circle Rd. and park on E. Maria Drive. If you go to the fork in the trail, take the trail that starts to go downhill a bit towards the river. Immediately on your left you will see some singletrack. I don't know if that's been kept up. Further down the ski trail that goes right next to the river from that trailhead, about a 1/4 mile, as oyu get into the pine trees on your left, you will see another trail taking off into the woods. All total, if you do both of those segments, it must be at least 3 miles.
    Found it ! It is in GREAT shape. There is an old bridge over a tree that is falling apart but the trail is great. Really enjoyable. There is really a great collection of singletrack around the green circle with all of this stuff. Thanks for sharing the information. Are you in Point? My schedule is tough with my son and family but love to meet up and ride when I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omicron View Post
    Found it ! It is in GREAT shape. There is an old bridge over a tree that is falling apart but the trail is great. Really enjoyable. There is really a great collection of singletrack around the green circle with all of this stuff. Thanks for sharing the information. Are you in Point? My schedule is tough with my son and family but love to meet up and ride when I can.
    Someone must be maintaining it. I wouldn't trust that bridge. It's at least 14 years old and it was getting pretty sketchy years ago., plus someone told me years ago that some BMX kids were sabotaging it, so to speak, to catch unsuspecting riders.

    I now live in Eau Claire, but I get back to Point occasionally to see family. In fact, I will be back in two weekends and am planning on bringing the bikes. Shoot me a PM and I'd be happy to meet up for a ride.

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