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    It's almost goodbye time for VIETNAM.

    It's almost goodbye time for VIETNAM. Some cool trails will soon be covered with a giant fcuking casino.

    The house OK'd the casino bill and now the senate has too. They'll iron out their differences then Patrick will sign it -he said he would this time.

    The only chance that Nam has left is if they go with Suffolk Downs instead of the Milford deal.

    Funny thing, nobody here seems to care.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Locoman View Post

    The only chance that Nam has left is if they go with Suffolk Downs instead of the Milford deal
    Which to me makes sense, but I really dont know. Where are the other 2 locations?

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    wouldn't say nobody cares here. I would like to think EVERY rider here cares, it comes down to getting the word out. if peeps don't know about something how can they act upon it. Let's see where this goes but in the meantime getting the word out is first priority to rally the riding community and take action on our part. Spread the word!
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    When Patrick came into office his only idea to improve the economy was casino gambling. He's an idiot.

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    Patrick is a piece of dump for many reasons...

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    Im not sure it's a done deal. Im in middleborough, and the casino debate has been going on for a while. The local indian tribe had said a while ago that they planned to open casino, and take the fight to the supreme court saying it was thier land, and they will do with it what they want. The bill calls for 3 casinos, one of which is to be awarded to a recognized indian tribe. I don't think they would approve a casino at nam with middleborough 30 minutes down 495. From what I read they're looking for a north shore spot, a south shore spot, and a spot in western mass near springfield. A middleborough location would draw summer crowds off the cape, and I believe the town already approved it when ready. Who knows, maybe it's just wishful thinking, but I've only made it out to nam a couple of times, and would hate to see any trails lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhack View Post
    Which to me makes sense, but I really dont know. Where are the other 2 locations?
    Not sure off-hand. The bill allows 3 resort casinos and a slot parlor. The casinos will be regional and from what I heard the greater-Boston location includes Milford which has it's biggest competition from Suffolk Downs.

    But even if Suffolk Downs wins, David Nunes still owns the land.. ...If he loses out on developing Milford maybe he can be bought out??? I got $50 who wants to match me?


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    yeah just what this state needs fckn casinos so fat asses can sit waste money and pull a lever

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    Maybe NEMBA should have taken Trump's $1.65 million dollar offer. Imagine how many trails they could have built elsewhere with that money (IMBA built the amazing 30 mile Allegrippis trails for about $100k). $1.65 mill is a lot for a couple miles of trail. Don't get me wrong I like Nam but that is a lot of money! Especially when you consider they bought the land for $210k.

    In 2003 after completing a $210,000 fundraising effort NEMBA was able to purchase 47 acres of land in Milford, Massachusetts. We bought this land to prevent its development and to protect and preserve a wonderful network of trails that were known locally as “Vietnam”. Our land forms an integral part of a much larger area of conservation land in the towns of Milford, Holliston and Hopkinton.

    NEMBA’s purchase of this land marked a first for mountain bike associations in our nation, and in the world.

    Our Vietnam property is right in the middle of approximately 1000 acres of protected open space. Vietnam and the surrounding lands are, of course, replete with many miles of trails that are open to non-motorized trail users. NEMBA has been very active, since the purchase of the land, in improving the existing trail network in the entire area, as well as in building and enhancing trails on our own property.

    Recently Ajax Gaming Ventures, a Delaware Limited Liability Corporation owned by Donald Trump offered NEMBA a $35,000, one year purchase option, based on a sale price of $1,650,000 to buy Vietnam. Despite the astounding price, NEMBA summarily rejected the purchase offer. Mountain bikers bought this land to preserve it, not to profit from it. Still, it’s amazing to think of just how lucky we were to be there at the right time to make that purchase.

    It was quite a gamble. In 2002 NEMBA purchased an option to buy the land from the Liner Trust for $15,000. We had no idea if we could raise the rest of the money, but we couldn’t let the opportunity slip by. Somehow, through donations large and small, donations that in some cases came in from around the country, we beat the option deadline and were able to purchase the land.

    After we took ownership NEMBA formed the Vietnam Land Management Steering Committee to oversee and manage the property. Owning conservation land, even if you’re a non-profit organization, is not an easy thing to do. In addition to the obvious issue of trail maintenance and upkeep there are liability issues to consider. That means insurance costs every year. If you're not already a member of NEMBA you should join to, among other things, help us in our efforts to preserve and protect this land.
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    Wait, I'm confused...my understanding was that the casino deal (still not a done deal by any means) is only on part of the Vietnam Trails network. Even if it goes up, wouldn't we only lose about 25% or less of the trail network? I mean yeah it sucks but no reason to be all doom and gloom about it. IMO the best trails at Vietnam are on or very near the NEMBA owned parcel anyways (though I will admit I haven't ridden it extensively enough to speak for every trail, I'm sure a few good ones will be lost).

    As to the trump thing, I don't really follow...how would losing all of it be better than losing just a portion. I mean money's nice but if you don't have land access, it doesn't matter how much cash you've got for trail improvements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdman829 View Post
    Wait, I'm confused...my understanding was that the casino deal (still not a done deal by any means) is only on part of the Vietnam Trails network. Even if it goes up, wouldn't we only lose about 25% or less of the trail network? I mean yeah it sucks but no reason to be all doom and gloom about it.
    You've summed up the apathy I find in this forum quite well.





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    Planning to hit Nam this coming weekend - weather permitting.

    Only my second time going, awesome place, would hate to see it go for a casino of all things..

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    I think the point is.. a whole heck of alot of land can be bought for 1.6 million and alot of good trail work as well. Nemba only owns about 50 acres in nam. they could probably buy hundreds of acres somewhere else and make a nice spread out system....... just sayin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manchvegas View Post
    I think the point is.. a whole heck of alot of land can be bought for 1.6 million and alot of good trail work as well. Nemba only owns about 50 acres in nam. they could probably buy hundreds of acres somewhere else and make a nice spread out system....... just sayin.
    Pay people to build the system...
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    Is the adjoining land protected conservation land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Locoman View Post
    You've summed up the apathy I find in this forum quite well.





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    That wasn't really my intention. I'm simply trying to be optimistic. Obviously the best case scenario would be that they build the casino at suffolk downs and not in milford (seems like a better location anyways - closer to more people, mass transit etc.). Even if it does go up in Milford it's not the "end" of Vietnam as the thread title suggests, its the end of the southeastern corner of Vietnam.

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    Just wondering if anyone else has heard anything on this? Pretty lame in my opinion, any trails lost to development isn't worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnar602 View Post
    Just wondering if anyone else has heard anything on this? Pretty lame in my opinion, any trails lost to development isn't worth it.
    Well.... I haven't heard anything else about the Milford location. The good news is Robert Kraft has now offered up some of his property to lease to a casino. I believe a proposal is in front of the Foxboro Zoning Board to change the zoning which would make building a casino a much more appealing place(for the state of MA) than the Vietnam.

    I live in Milford...no one I have talked to wants it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsguy View Post
    Maybe NEMBA should have taken Trump's $1.65 million dollar offer. Imagine how many trails they could have built elsewhere with that money (IMBA built the amazing 30 mile Allegrippis trails for about $100k). $1.65 mill is a lot for a couple miles of trail. Don't get me wrong I like Nam but that is a lot of money! Especially when you consider they bought the land for $210k.
    Bu11$hit. There isn't much land as unique and with that type of terrain and trails just anywhere. It deserves to be kept and placed in conservation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by birdman829 View Post
    Wait, I'm confused...my understanding was that the casino deal (still not a done deal by any means) is only on part of the Vietnam Trails network. Even if it goes up, wouldn't we only lose about 25% or less of the trail network? I mean yeah it sucks but no reason to be all doom and gloom about it. IMO the best trails at Vietnam are on or very near the NEMBA owned parcel anyways (though I will admit I haven't ridden it extensively enough to speak for every trail, I'm sure a few good ones will be lost).
    None of the casino will ever get built on the 47 acre NEMBA parcel. However, it will be right next to it.

    The overall loss of land and trails is closer to 50% of the area collectively known as Vietnam. The plan I saw shows them developing aprox. 500 acres. The areas that would be lost would include the Kitchen, Firewall, and 495, among others.

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    Maybe what's left over should be called "Apocalypse Now".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrsbike View Post
    Maybe what's left over should be called "Apocalypse Now".

    Clever, and not far from the truth if building goes on adjacent to Vietnam... Spread the word.
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