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    2020 Rift Zone Details and Hawk Hill 3 Color

    I spoke with my Marin dealer. The Rift Zone is going to be redesigned for 2020. It is going to be slacker in line with the Hawk Hill. He also said the seat post is going to be more upright. The drive train will most likely be Eagle SX to SLX 12 speed. Right now Marin is in the planning stages with concept art and hopefully the bike will be ready by the end of the year. Not sure about the fork at this point. It could be a Bomber Z2 as companies like Orbea are using them now

    As for the Hawk Hill 3, the color is said to be Black with Purple and Yellow. It follows the same vein as Matt Jones customer Alcatraz.

    If I hear more, I will let you know.

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    Figured that would happen. Would be sweet to see the Rift Zone as a 140/130 trail 29er, which would certainly be a step in the right direction, especially if they can keep the price ranges the same.

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    I called Marin directly last month and asked about the 2020 RZ and if it was going to be updated or largely remain the same. Along with what willmbrk said about the geometry, they also said that travel will increase to 130mm up front and 0.5 (or 5mm, can't remember) in the rear. The rep also said that they will be coming out with a carbon version as well. This sounds just about right considering Matt Cipes is the product manager (That came from Specialized) and is doing great things at Marin. Now that it's been a few years and he has a baseline for all the models as well as market/rider feedback, he is able to update and work his magic for the lineup. I'll be excited to see the geometry changes (especially the steeper seat tube angle).

    On a side note, I have a 2019 RZ2 and I've have had the best time on this bike than almost any other FS 29er (and 27.5) bike I've ridden or owned in the past (Giant Anthem/XTC/Reign, Specialized Stumpjumper/Enduro/Camber, Trek Rumblefish/Fuel/Remedy, Santa Cruz Bronson/5010).

    I have done the following that might have something to do with how great it handles and rides:

    Fox Rythym fork 130mm
    Fox Dpx2 rear shock
    WTB Asym i35 wheelset
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    The Rift Zone definitely seems to achieve a whole that is greater than the sum of its parts. Seems to be true of all of the recent Marin lineup on the lower end.

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    Also, the Rift zone will be offered in Carbon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willmbrk View Post
    Also, the Rift zone will be offered in Carbon.
    there have been carbon RZ models in the past. i think latest was 2016 or 2017?? but i haven't found much written about them one way or the other.
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    No real details yet, but it is confirmed to be coming. Also, the Hawk Hill 2 will have a SX 1X12 and the Hawk Hill 3 is supposed to get SLX 1X12 with a Bomber Z2 fork with SLX 3 piston brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willmbrk View Post
    I spoke with my Marin dealer. The Rift Zone is going to be redesigned for 2020. It is going to be slacker in line with the Hawk Hill. He also said the seat post is going to be more upright. The drive train will most likely be Eagle SX to SLX 12 speed. Right now Marin is in the planning stages with concept art and hopefully the bike will be ready by the end of the year. Not sure about the fork at this point. It could be a Bomber Z2 as companies like Orbea are using them now

    As for the Hawk Hill 3, the color is said to be Black with Purple and Yellow. It follows the same vein as Matt Jones customer Alcatraz.

    If I hear more, I will let you know.
    Any more news on this? Iíve got the green light to buy a new bike and am wondering if the new Rift Zone might be available soon (I.e within my window)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LargoPQ View Post
    Any more news on this? Iíve got the green light to buy a new bike and am wondering if the new Rift Zone might be available soon (I.e within my window)?
    I asked last week as I was ordering a specific part for the bike and the rep told me that they should be announcing the new 2020ís on their website ďat the end of the month, or relatively soonĒ. Iíve been checking Marinís website everyday since 😂

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    Marin website will be updated September 1st. The bikes are shipping out now. My Marin dealer is upset because they do not even know what the rest of the bikes will look like.

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    Thanks so much! Will see if I can remain patient

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    Looks like Vital spotted the 2020 RF3 at Crankworks: https://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/feat...1890/sspomer,2

    Bomber Z2, Float DPS, X-Fusion Manic Dropper

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    Looks just like the 2019 Hawk Hill 3. Of course it is designed to around the same specs. The rear shock is 5m less than the 2020 Hawk Hill. Marin is now saying late September for release dates. Funny that I know more about the bike than Vital.

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    Pinkbike just posted the 2020 RF3 spec: https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-...-shredder.html

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    Yep about time. Can't wait to see the Carbon Version, SQ frame option, and Hawk Hill colors. September 1st can't come fast enough.

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    An interesting video showing the other models for 2020...

    https://www.tredz.co.uk/.Marin-Rift-...MTB_219362.htm

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    Guess I was ahead of the production lines when I upgraded my 2018 RZ2 with a 140mm fork, GX Eagle and 4 piston calipers front/ rear. Nice to see Iím not missing out to much on the newer version other than some Geometry numbers.

    The jump to the Fox Float DPS is big though for the production side of things. The last few years itís just been the RockShox Deluxe RT which is just giving you a 2 position compression knob for open/ pedal compared to the Deluxe R that came in the Rift Zone 2.



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    Yeah Marin has stepped up big time. Can't wait for my sons 2020 HH2 to arrive.

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    So details are up finally on their website. What's everyone think? RF3 still seems like a great deal to me. Can't wait for the carbon version to come out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bvachon29 View Post
    So details are up finally on their website. What's everyone think? RF3 still seems like a great deal to me. Can't wait for the carbon version to come out.
    I already ordered one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    I already ordered one.

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    Lucky! I'm eagerly awaiting my shop to get one to get my hands on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    I already ordered one.

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    not seeing any announcements / specs for RZ carbon . what is price on these? any links?
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    Quote Originally Posted by raleigh5 View Post
    not seeing any announcements / specs for RZ carbon . what is price on these? any links?
    I didn't order a carbon one, I ordered the RZ3.

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    Did anyone notice that the 2020 RF has cs length listed as 425??? and the 2020 HH as 430? How does that make any sense (unless its a typo from 435)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffgicklhorn View Post
    Did anyone notice that the 2020 RF has cs length listed as 425??? and the 2020 HH as 430? How does that make any sense (unless its a typo from 435)?
    The RZ is even slacker by 1* compared to HH. Kinda weird. Usually the 27.5 have slacker HA than the 29.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aflax View Post
    Oooo baby! Spec looks to be expected for the price points. Me thinks the Carbon 1 might have my name on it once it gets released.

    For those not wanting to scroll through the bikes.

    Carbon 2: https://govvelo.com/collections/mari...-carbon-2-2020

    Carbon 1: https://govvelo.com/collections/mari...29527793500221

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    Looks like it's a $850 up charge (RZ3 alloy = 2650 to RZ1 carbon = 3500) for carbon with the same part spec. The RZ2 carbon looks rad, and nice to see they're using a microspline hub and SLX cassette rather than sunrace, but $4300 seems pretty steep.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffgicklhorn View Post
    Looks like it's a $850 up charge (RZ3 alloy = 2650 to RZ1 carbon = 3500) for carbon with the same part spec. The RZ2 carbon looks rad, and nice to see they're using a microspline hub and SLX cassette rather than sunrace, but $4300 seems pretty steep.....
    i think i would be leaning toward a YT Jeffsy CF Comp at ~$3500 or the YT Jeffsy CF Pro at ~$4000 if i was looking for CF in this price range. But actually, i dont think you can lose with any of these bikes.
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    Looks like the Carbon RZ models are no longer viewable....... guess we got an accidental sneak peak!

    https://govvelo.com/search?type=product&q=rift%20zone*

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    I ordered a RZ 3 last week, i was told at least 6 weeks lead time. Apparently there is an issue with one particular component (My dealer was not told which one) not being ready. I'm very curious to see what brakes I end up with, The PB posted pics show a mid perch deore level lever but the specs on Marin's site claim Shimano MT420 which I think are lower level items. Gonna be a long wait...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffgicklhorn View Post
    Looks like the Carbon RZ models are no longer viewable....... guess we got an accidental sneak peak!

    https://govvelo.com/search?type=product&q=rift%20zone*
    I got asked to remove my pictures of the carbon Rift Zones from the Facebook group. I don't know the reasoning or legalities of it, but I kinda think it would be better to announce the entire line of bikes all at once. I probably would have been tempted to get the carbon model if I had seen it before I ordered the RZ3.


    Quote Originally Posted by lolaralph View Post
    I ordered a RZ 3 last week, i was told at least 6 weeks lead time. Apparently there is an issue with one particular component (My dealer was not told which one) not being ready. I'm very curious to see what brakes I end up with, The PB posted pics show a mid perch deore level lever but the specs on Marin's site claim Shimano MT420 which I think are lower level items. Gonna be a long wait...
    Aww, man. I was hoping to get it sooner. I sold my Mount Vision, so I'm without a full suspension bike at the moment. Looks like the Pine Mountain and Cortina will be in heavy rotation for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    I got asked to remove my pictures of the carbon Rift Zones from the Facebook group. I don't know the reasoning or legalities of it, but I kinda think it would be better to announce the entire line of bikes all at once. I probably would have been tempted to get the carbon model if I had seen it before I ordered the RZ3.



    Aww, man. I was hoping to get it sooner. I sold my Mount Vision, so I'm without a full suspension bike at the moment. Looks like the Pine Mountain and Cortina will be in heavy rotation for a while.
    So was I, It figures that I am currently in some of the nicest riding weather my part of the east coast has seen in the last 3 months, LOL.

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    Giant Trance 3 vs Rift Zone 3 looks like relatively similar specs...posting just for kicks

    Both aluminum frames (likely built in the same factory)
    Same fork
    Same suspension (5mm more travel from the Rift Zone)
    Shimano MT 400 vs MT420 brakes
    25mm inner rim vs 29mm inner rim width
    Maxis DHF/DHR 2.3 vs. Vee Flow Snap 2.35
    SX vs SLX
    $2100 vs. $2650

    https://www.giant-bicycles.com/us/trance-29-3-2020
    https://www.marinbikes.com/bikes/20-rift-zone-3

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    Rift Zone is longer, slacker, steeper STA so it gets my vote. Giant looks like a great deal though. I personally found the climbing on a carbon version to be mediocre. STA on Marin really seems to be in the sweet spot.

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    The trance 3 comes with the drive train and similar brakes of the rz2. The trance 3 is best compared to a rz2.5. haha. But, seriously, the overall package is worth the extra price for me.

    My friend has the 2019 Trance 29 and it what made me want a rift zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    The trance 3 comes with the drive train and similar brakes of the rz2. The trance 3 is best compared to a rz2.5. haha. But, seriously, the overall package is worth the extra price for me.

    My friend has the 2019 Trance 29 and it what made me want a rift zone.
    Out of curiosity, why did the Trance 29 make you want to buy the Rift Zone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    I got asked to remove my pictures of the carbon Rift Zones from the Facebook group. I don't know the reasoning or legalities of it, but I kinda think it would be better to announce the entire line of bikes all at once. I probably would have been tempted to get the carbon model if I had seen it before I ordered the RZ3.

    Aww, man. I was hoping to get it sooner. I sold my Mount Vision, so I'm without a full suspension bike at the moment. Looks like the Pine Mountain and Cortina will be in heavy rotation for a while.
    The Pine Mtn One (Didn't see the PM or the PM2) is now showing as a 29'r with 2.6 tires and an enduro h-bar set up for bed-roll packing.
    More eyelets too. Maybe I'd get used to the new frame graphics but I like the simpler look to the '16 or '17 - '19. Also, happier with a 27.5 plus.
    Maybe b-packer set ups are in a transition ?

    ** Update Here is a link showing a PM1 and PM2. Looks like dropper post routing and the narrative on these is more trail handling / trail capable spirit - even commuter but still the camper / packer features. 29 x 2.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbi_E5XXSXA
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    Quote Originally Posted by LargoPQ View Post
    Out of curiosity, why did the Trance 29 make you want to buy the Rift Zone?
    I'd been thinking of getting a 29er since converting my Pine Mountain to a 29er. I liked the slackened HT angle on the Trance. I looked at the 2019 RZ3, but it had the same HT angle as my Mount Vision. It also was 120/120, and I kinda wanted the 130 that the Euro models were spec'd with. So, when the 2020 RZ3 came out it was pretty much what I was looking for. The SLX 12 speed was a bonus for me as I'm a Shimano guy.

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    So I'm kind of on a budget, I've noticed that my rear brakes on my hh1 are not very powerful but I can't really spend the money on new brakes. I heard people just changeing the pads and rotors. What would be a decent rotor? I'm looking to upgrade to a 180 for the rear. Any help would be appreciated!

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    I went SLX brakes and rotors. Work great on my San Quentin.

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    I agree with slx, best bang for your buck. $75/set or $150 for both front and rear.

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    Wonder when we will start getting impressions of the new Rift Zones?

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    They are supposed to be out any day. I know that San Diego is having a Marin demo day in 2 weeks where the Rift Zone will be available to ride. I also know what the Hawk Hills are in the US now. The Hawk Hill 2 are on the West Coast and the Hawk Hill 3 are on the East Coast. My son's Hawk Hill 2 should be ready next weekend with my Hawk Hill 3 just a few days after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willmbrk View Post
    They are supposed to be out any day. I know that San Diego is having a Marin demo day in 2 weeks where the Rift Zone will be available to ride. I also know what the Hawk Hills are in the US now. The Hawk Hill 2 are on the West Coast and the Hawk Hill 3 are on the East Coast. My son's Hawk Hill 2 should be ready next weekend with my Hawk Hill 3 just a few days after.
    When/where in San Diego is the Marin demo? Iím a San Diego local and would be interested in checking it out.

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    Mt. Laguna Trail Fest October 18-20th. Part of Your Best Ride Demo Tour. https://www.yourbestride.bike/wheres-the-van-now

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    I went ahead and ordered the Hawk Hill 3. I'm not really a big fan of the pink on the frame, but I think I'll get used to it (or I'll vinyl wrap that section maybe). Looking forward to it.

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    Mine should be ready in the next week. My Marin dealer just ordered it. I have pink Raceface Chester pedals and Pink DMR Deathergrips coming as well. My son's HH2 should be in around the same time. We are going more stealth with his, black pedals and grips.

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    Sweet! I got some blue Chesters for mine.

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    Has anyone ordered a rift zone ? I think iíve been waiting almost 5 weeks for my RZ3 and was told that Marin was going to release the RZ1 then the RZ2 and finally the 3. Iím hoping someone may have ordered a 1 or 2 and actually received their bike, would possibly give me a timeframe of my bikeís arrival date.

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    Word around town is late October and November. There was a quick leak of the Carbon Rift Zones, but those were pulled. Word on the Carbon ones are summer next year. Marin is so off on their time tables and it is frustrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willmbrk View Post
    Word around town is late October and November. There was a quick leak of the Carbon Rift Zones, but those were pulled. Word on the Carbon ones are summer next year. Marin is so off on their time tables and it is frustrating.
    Geez, thatís a lot later than I was hoping, but unfortunately itís what I was expecting. I keep telling myself Marin isnít Trek or Specialized and delays would probably be part of the deal. Hopefully the RZ is worth the wait.

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    Looks like I'll end up getting my RZ3 just in time for the snow. Haha. It might sit in my garage for while before I get to ride it much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    Looks like I'll end up getting my RZ3 just in time for the snow. Haha. It might sit in my garage for while before I get to ride it much.

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    that was my exact thought as well, haha

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    Just picked up my son's HH2. Man that thing is so freakin fun. My HH3 will be ready Tuesday.

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    I got mine on Friday. I went on a 12-mile ride yesterday. I felt a little mixed on the bike. It didn't feel as plush as I was hoping even though it seemed like I was using the full travel on the rear shock (I did try it in both the middle and full open settings). I haven't done any tuning to the suspension yet (it was setup initially according to my weight), so hopefully something can be improved there. It does feel more capable at climbing in technical sections than my old bike (2009 Jamis XCT 2.0), due at least in part to the larger wheels, though it felt less efficient. Not sure how I feel about the wide bars, but I didn't really mind them. I may cut them down later. The brakes felt great as did the drivetrain. I was surprised by how heavy the bike is - I weighed it at 33.3 pounds with pedals. I ran it with 23 psi in the front and 25 in the rear, same as my old bike. I may try a little less and see if that helps the ride. It does feel better the harder you push it, though, and I love the look of it.

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    Nice. Can't wait to get mine. My pink pedals and grips are in. My son's HH2 is a blast to ride. It really likes to jump. My local bike shop is really great at setting up the suspension correctly. I am going to have them cut the bars to 760 mm as that it what is comfortable. Of course, the stock bars won't stay on too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcmaster1029 View Post
    I got mine on Friday. I went on a 12-mile ride yesterday. I felt a little mixed on the bike. It didn't feel as plush as I was hoping even though it seemed like I was using the full travel on the rear shock (I did try it in both the middle and full open settings). I haven't done any tuning to the suspension yet (it was setup initially according to my weight), so hopefully something can be improved there. It does feel more capable at climbing in technical sections than my old bike (2009 Jamis XCT 2.0), due at least in part to the larger wheels, though it felt less efficient. Not sure how I feel about the wide bars, but I didn't really mind them. I may cut them down later. The brakes felt great as did the drivetrain. I was surprised by how heavy the bike is - I weighed it at 33.3 pounds with pedals. I ran it with 23 psi in the front and 25 in the rear, same as my old bike. I may try a little less and see if that helps the ride. It does feel better the harder you push it, though, and I love the look of it.

    DSC_3406 by Willie D, on Flickr
    As I wait for my RZ 3 these comments concern me a bit. I am really hoping for decent suspension, especially after hearing the reviews on the Bomber Z2. Hopefully some tuning will help. The weight seems a little on the heavy side as well, especially with my 29Ē wheels.

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    I run a Z2 on my San Quentin and it is awesome. My son's HH is so much fun and really does not feel or ride heavy at all. Yes the Z2 can be an issue if not tuned correctly. I had the same problem. I had my shop tune my Z2 on my San Quentin and it rides like a dream now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willmbrk View Post
    I run a Z2 on my San Quentin and it is awesome. My son's HH is so much fun and really does not feel or ride heavy at all. Yes the Z2 can be an issue if not tuned correctly. I had the same problem. I had my shop tune my Z2 on my San Quentin and it rides like a dream now.
    That is good to know, thanks for posting. When you say ďtuneĒ, what did your shop do to the Z2 ?

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    They set the fork to my weight, but they also set the handlebars and seat. They also checked my posture to make sure I was riding correctly. Now everything is set perfect for me. I don't even need to use tokens. Also, as for the weight of the HH, take the tubes out. They are pretty heavy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolaralph View Post
    As I wait for my RZ 3 these comments concern me a bit. I am really hoping for decent suspension, especially after hearing the reviews on the Bomber Z2. Hopefully some tuning will help. The weight seems a little on the heavy side as well, especially with my 29Ē wheels.
    Take what I've said with a grain of salt. I think I just need to spend some time on it and get it set up properly. As for the weight I don't think it really feels that heavy riding it, I just didn't expect it to weigh this much. Apparently the tires are pretty heavy, though, so you could probably take at least a pound off with different tires. And I'm not saying the suspension was bad, I was just expecting it to be more of a change over my old bike. I think I also need to try lower psi in the tires.

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    Yeah that's weird. Everyone who has ridden my son's HH2 has been amazed by it. When I get my HH3, I will give it a full test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willmbrk View Post
    Yeah that's weird. Everyone who has ridden my son's HH2 has been amazed by it. When I get my HH3, I will give it a full test.
    That's good to hear - I do look forward to hearing your thoughts on the HH3 once you get it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcmaster1029 View Post
    Take what I've said with a grain of salt. I think I just need to spend some time on it and get it set up properly. As for the weight I don't think it really feels that heavy riding it, I just didn't expect it to weigh this much. Apparently the tires are pretty heavy, though, so you could probably take at least a pound off with different tires. And I'm not saying the suspension was bad, I was just expecting it to be more of a change over my old bike. I think I also need to try lower psi in the tires.
    That is all good news, thanks

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    Lbs just messaged me, my RZ3 will be here Friday 🤘🤪🤘

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    Nice. Share some photos and first ride impressions!

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    that's great news, I havent heard anything yet so please share ASAP

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    update, just got a call from my shop, looks like my RZ3 will be here by the weekend as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    Lbs just messaged me, my RZ3 will be here Friday 🤘🤪🤘
    are you east or west coast ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolaralph View Post
    are you east or west coast ?
    West

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    Thatís surprising that they are arriving same day as Iím east coast. Iím glad weíre getting them regardless.

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    It's here

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    It's here

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    Looks great, hoping I get a call tomorrow saying mine is in. Two quick questions, what brake levers are on it, any chance you could post a pic of them and what does the rear hub sound like ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolaralph View Post
    Looks great, hoping I get a call tomorrow saying mine is in. Two quick questions, what brake levers are on it, any chance you could post a pic of them and what does the rear hub sound like ?
    I'll post up some pics and I'll try a video of the hub tomorrow after I pick it up. It's at the shop waiting for a new chainring.

    The levers look like m7000 slx reservoirs with bigger two finger levers. Not sure how I'll like them, but I'll give them a shot. If I don't, I'll just get the new four piston slx.

    I rode it around the parking lot, but I didn't pay attention to the hub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    I'll post up some pics and I'll try a video of the hub tomorrow after I pick it up. It's at the shop waiting for a new chainring.

    The levers look like m7000 slx reservoirs with bigger two finger levers. Not sure how I'll like them, but I'll give them a shot. If I don't, I'll just get the new four piston slx.

    I rode it around the parking lot, but I didn't pay attention to the hub.
    Thanks, I really appreciate the info

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    Just picked up my Hawk Hill 3. Man the thing is really supple and smooth. The bike feels so light and easy to jump. The only thing that trips me out is that it is so quiet. My San Quentin is really loud. I love the Z2(have same on my San Quentin) and the huge 203 and 180 rotors with 4 piston brakes. I do like the smaller brake levers that I put on my San Quentin and I prefer the PNW loam lever on my San Quentin. The SLX 1X12 shifts smoother than my XT 1X11 as well. Overall, it is a killer bike for the spec. Heck, even my son's Hawk Hill 2 is really sweet for the price.


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    Quote Originally Posted by willmbrk View Post
    Just picked up my Hawk Hill 3. Man the thing is really supple and smooth. The bike feels so light and easy to jump. The only thing that trips me out is that it is so quiet. My San Quentin is really loud. I love the Z2(have same on my San Quentin) and the huge 203 and 180 rotors with 4 piston brakes. I do like the smaller brake levers that I put on my San Quentin and I prefer the PNW loam lever on my San Quentin. The SLX 1X12 shifts smoother than my XT 1X11 as well. Overall, it is a killer bike for the spec. Heck, even my son's Hawk Hill 2 is really sweet for the price.

    thanks for that update as well, still hoping i get a call today saying my RZ3 is in.

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    First impressions:
    It's a Medium and fits like my 2015 Large Mount Vision.

    It has a rubber chainstay cover

    Brake levers are more comfortable than I expected, but still not SLX/XT

    Brake pads are unusually think

    No quick release, both axles are bolts

    Suspension is more active/plush than my old Mount Vision

    It's bright orange

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    I tried to upload a video, but can't, so I'll say the hub is pretty quiet. Sounds like my other Marin brand hubs.

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    I feel the same. Can't wait for Hope Hubs to come out. Feels so weird to be so quiet. I also prefer the smaller brake levers. Overall, the price for the build is perfect and solid. I cannot complain.

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    Thanks for all the posts, I did actually get my RZ as well. Mine feels like it has a decent amount of stiction on the fork and dropper post, should break in Iíd think. Iím not super impressed with the brakes so far, the lever comes almost to the bar before they bite the rotors. Iím going to ďoverfillĒ the master cylinders and hopefully get a better bite point. The bike is way slacker than I was expecting, gonna be a big change from what Iím used to, but Iím looking forward to it (all my other bikes are more XC than I thought, LOL). I was a bit surprised by the all steel cassette, I donít even see that listed on the SunRace website, maybe an OEM only piece. Overall Iím very impressed by the build quality of the bike, kudos to Marin for this bike at this price. Im off to convert to tubeless this afternoon, Iím looking forward to hearing ride reports from everyone.

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    I got a ride in this morning, 12 miles with 1500' of climbing. Here's my thoughts.
    *This thing rolls over everything. Technical sections that used to be difficult are super easy to pedal through.
    *The rear is WAY more active than my last bike. I found myself flipping to trail on climbs and open on decents. Not a bad thing, just different because I never touched my last shock.
    *It's so smooth it's like I'm going slow. On the sketchy downs at speed, I used to brake check all the time. I kept having to tell myself not to touch the brakes because I'm so used to doing it.
    *Bigger tires are definitely heavy. I felt the difference on the climbs. It wasn't awful, but just not as sprightly as my 27.5 was. Wheels are totally fine, but I'm already considering getting a lighter wheelset.
    *My brake levers are totally firm. Sounds like you may have a bad bleed job? I was happy with their power. It took some adjusting to get the levers where I wanted them.
    *My dropper is very smooth. It could be your clamp is too tight. Mine bound up when I adjusted the seat height. I had to back it off a little to get the smooth action back.

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    Skeeno, I know that spot! Peavine for the win!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    I got a ride in this morning, 12 miles with 1500' of climbing. Here's my thoughts.
    *This thing rolls over everything. Technical sections that used to be difficult are super easy to pedal through.
    *The rear is WAY more active than my last bike. I found myself flipping to trail on climbs and open on decents. Not a bad thing, just different because I never touched my last shock.
    *It's so smooth it's like I'm going slow. On the sketchy downs at speed, I used to brake check all the time. I kept having to tell myself not to touch the brakes because I'm so used to doing it.
    *Bigger tires are definitely heavy. I felt the difference on the climbs. It wasn't awful, but just not as sprightly as my 27.5 was. Wheels are totally fine, but I'm already considering getting a lighter wheelset.
    *My brake levers are totally firm. Sounds like you may have a bad bleed job? I was happy with their power. It took some adjusting to get the levers where I wanted them.
    *My dropper is very smooth. It could be your clamp is too tight. Mine bound up when I adjusted the seat height. I had to back it off a little to get the smooth action back.

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    Thatís all great news, I will check my seatpost clamp, that could be my issue. When you say you adjusted your levers, what do you mean...just location or am I missing something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolaralph View Post
    Thatís all great news, I will check my seatpost clamp, that could be my issue. When you say you adjusted your levers, what do you mean...just location or am I missing something.
    I adjust the location, but there is also a 2mm hex inside the lever by the clamp that you can adjust the lever distance to the bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffgicklhorn View Post
    Skeeno, I know that spot! Peavine for the win!
    Yup, top of Poedunk. I ride this area a lot, so it was a good spot to shake down this new bike. I wanted to see how it compares to my old one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    I adjust the location, but there is also a 2mm hex inside the lever by the clamp that you can adjust the lever distance to the bar.

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    Cool, thank you. I will try that now

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    I broke in the HHs today. Holy crap what a fun ride. We took them through the paces bombing big down hills with insane boulders and ruts. I was scared at times, but the bike did not waiver at all. Best ride today by far. Cannot speak enough good things about these bikes. I am seriously considering if I even need my San Quentin still. My HH3 is so agile for a full suspension. I can't believe how easy it is to get in the air yet it is so supple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willmbrk View Post
    I broke in the HHs today. Holy crap what a fun ride. We took them through the paces bombing big down hills with insane boulders and ruts. I was scared at times, but the bike did not waiver at all. Best ride today by far. Cannot speak enough good things about these bikes. I am seriously considering if I even need my San Quentin still. My HH3 is so agile for a full suspension. I can't believe how easy it is to get in the air yet it is so supple.
    Nice!

    The wheel/tire weight is the first thing I want to change. New wheelset first. Probably ride these VEEs for a minute, but I just looked and they weigh 1080g. If I swap to Dissectors, I can save 1/2lb per tire. Dissectors will be on my christmas list.

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    Wait until next year for the wheelset because Shimano just loosened their patent on their microspline hubs. Hope is going to have their hubs in January. Unless you want to go DT Swiss or I9. As for the tires, the Vees are ok tubeless. If I changed them, I would go 2.5 DHF and 2.4 DHR2. I want to change out the handlebars, stem, and seat eventually as well. The I9 A35 pink stem would look so cool on my HH3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    First impressions:
    It's a Medium and fits like my 2015 Large Mount Vision.

    It has a rubber chainstay cover

    Brake levers are more comfortable than I expected, but still not SLX/XT

    Brake pads are unusually think

    No quick release, both axles are bolts

    Suspension is more active/plush than my old Mount Vision

    It's bright orange

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    Anyone get a chance to weigh one? Iím looking at this bike vs a 2019 Giant Trance 2 29.

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    I want to say they are around 33 lbs if you keep the tubes in. Probably around 30 without. I looked at Giants as well as my friends have them. I even rode my friends Trance. These bikes smoke the Giants. The build spec and geo are spot on. The HH and RZ are almost the same side. The RZ has a little more reach and travel.

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    I like the color of the Rift Zone 1 more than the 2. I wonder if the upgrades are worth it. There's the dropper, the different rear shock, the 12 speeds instead of 11, and the crankset. I wonder if the crankset is really an upgrade. Is the rockshox shoxk really better than the X-Fusion? Hmmmm

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    If you have the parts or money then yes. My Marin dealer bought a HH1 because he liked the purple. He stripped it down and put in a DVO suspension and a ton of other sick parts. The bike is so sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willmbrk View Post
    Wait until next year for the wheelset because Shimano just loosened their patent on their microspline hubs. Hope is going to have their hubs in January. Unless you want to go DT Swiss or I9. As for the tires, the Vees are ok tubeless. If I changed them, I would go 2.5 DHF and 2.4 DHR2. I want to change out the handlebars, stem, and seat eventually as well. The I9 A35 pink stem would look so cool on my HH3.
    I couldn't help myself. I ordered new wheels, tires, and cassette. Wheels are Stan's Flow with Shimano XT microspline hubs and XT cassette. Tires are Maxxis Recon MaxxTerra. Saved about 2.5 pounds on this. Bike currently weights about 31.5 pounds according to the highly inaccurate bathroom scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    I couldn't help myself. I ordered new wheels, tires, and cassette. Wheels are Stan's Flow with Shimano XT microspline hubs and XT cassette. Tires are Maxxis Recon MaxxTerra. Saved about 2.5 pounds on this. Bike currently weights about 31.5 pounds according to the highly inaccurate bathroom scale.

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    Nice! Have you noticed better shifting under load? That's supposed to be one of the benefits of having the actual Shimano cassette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcmaster1029 View Post
    Nice! Have you noticed better shifting under load? That's supposed to be one of the benefits of having the actual Shimano cassette.
    Most definitely has crisper shifting now. It was a little finicky downshifting on all the gears. I had a lot of hesitation dropping from 2 to 3 with the sunrace cassette. That's gone with the XT cassette. Plus I'm sure it's way lighter than the all steel sunrace.

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    Nice. I was wondering about that. I might switch the cassette too. I also want to swap out the tires. Thinking of 2.6 DHF and DHR2 for my Hawk Hill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willmbrk View Post
    Nice. I was wondering about that. I might switch the cassette too. I also want to swap out the tires. Thinking of 2.6 DHF and DHR2 for my Hawk Hill.
    Those VEE tires are heavy as hell and SO slow rolling. I wanted the lightest/best rolling tire I could get but not a XC race tire. These Rekons seem like a good fit for my terrain and riding style. I'm sure that's where most of my weight savings came from. I'm still adjusting to the 65.5 HTA. This thing is super stable, but it doesn't steer quickly like my Mt. Vision. I've caught myself out of position a few times because I'm anticipating quicker steering response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    Those VEE tires are heavy as hell and SO slow rolling. I wanted the lightest/best rolling tire I could get but not a XC race tire. These Rekons seem like a good fit for my terrain and riding style. I'm sure that's where most of my weight savings came from. I'm still adjusting to the 65.5 HTA. This thing is super stable, but it doesn't steer quickly like my Mt. Vision. I've caught myself out of position a few times because I'm anticipating quicker steering response.

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    I'm glad to hear you say that about the stock tires because the bike just kind of feels sluggish to me. I've been thinking about some lighter/faster tires so I'll probably be getting some soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcmaster1029 View Post
    I'm glad to hear you say that about the stock tires because the bike just kind of feels sluggish to me. I've been thinking about some lighter/faster tires so I'll probably be getting some soon.
    It was super sluggish with the stock tires. It didn't carry any momentum. I had to pedal if the trail ever remotely flattened. Those VEE tires would be fine if I only did shuttle runs, but I like to pedal to the top to earn my downhills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcmaster1029 View Post
    I'm glad to hear you say that about the stock tires because the bike just kind of feels sluggish to me. I've been thinking about some lighter/faster tires so I'll probably be getting some soon.
    Thank you so much. I thought it was me and I was just out of shape. Time to upgrade tires for sure.

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    2.5 DHF and 2.4 DHR ordered. Looks like they will be in next week. One more week of the boat anchors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willmbrk View Post
    2.5 DHF and 2.4 DHR ordered. Looks like they will be in next week. One more week of the boat anchors.
    Sweet! Let us know how they compare once you get them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcmaster1029 View Post
    Sweet! Let us know how they compare once you get them!
    For sure. My son has a 2020 Hawk Hill 2. If they work on mine, getting a set for him. Will update.

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    I just looked at the VEE specs again, and I think the 29 version is actually 1270g. The 2.4 29 Rekon is supposed to be 840g, so I think i saved 430g/15.16oz/.95lb. No wonder it pedals and rolls so much better now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    I just looked at the VEE specs again, and I think the 29 version is actually 1270g. The 2.4 29 Rekon is supposed to be 840g, so I think i saved 430g/15.16oz/.95lb. No wonder it pedals and rolls so much better now.
    Yep. The 27.5 is around the same. The Vee tires are around 2.5lbs each. One of mine weighs as much as both of my friends 26" tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    I just looked at the VEE specs again, and I think the 29 version is actually 1270g. The 2.4 29 Rekon is supposed to be 840g, so I think i saved 430g/15.16oz/.95lb. No wonder it pedals and rolls so much better now.
    Out of curiosity where are you finding the specs for the tire at 1270g?

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    I got my info directly from Vee. My tires are 1235g each The DHF will be 945g.

    SEGMENT Gravity, Gravity,Enduro
    TUBELESS READY Yes
    COMPOUND Tackee Compound, Top 40 Compound
    TPI 72 TPI
    BEAD Folding Bead
    RECOMMENDED PRESSURE 22.5-50 PSI (1.6-3.5bar)
    ETRTO 60-584, 60-622
    DUROMETER 42Ī2
    WEIGHT (G) 1235, 1315

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    Thanks. That's quite a difference in weight. I'm thinking of putting my XR4/XR3 combo on mine when it comes in this week. How's she riding?

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    Unless I'm reading it wrong, and assuming the tire that comes with the Hawk Hill is the Enduro Core version, it's listed at 990 grams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcmaster1029 View Post
    Unless I'm reading it wrong, and assuming the tire that comes with the Hawk Hill is the Enduro Core version, it's listed at 990 grams.
    990 is for the 24X2.4. Trust me, those tires are heavy as all get out. My new tires should be coming in the next few days. In the meantime, I am riding and have fun with my San Quentin.

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    I got my Rift Zone 2 yesterday. Something wierd is going on with my suspension. It feels incredibly stiff. I noticed it the second I sat on it. Felt like a hard tail. Didn't sink into the travel at all. And there was a suction noises when I get off the bike.The online place I bought it from set up the suspension using my given weight. I'm not sure what's going on with it.

    I rode a Rift Zone 1 on two separate occasions at the local shop and it felt great. I went with the 2 for the dropper, extra gear, and I what I was hoping was a better shock. Now I'm worried. I hope this Rockshox irear shock s better than the X Fusion, and I didn't make a mistake in going with the 2.

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    Did you check air pressure and rebound speed? Worth contacting the online shop as new suspension parts should be under warranty as there is always the potential for a lemon.

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    Vital just reviewed the RZ2 very favorably, despite the sub-par breaks and super heavy Vee tires: https://www.vitalmtb.com/features/Vi...omparison,2793

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    He bought it online.

    First thing I would do is check to make sure the lockout isn't closed. Does it have lever on the shock for lockout?

    Second thing I would do is check the air pressure in the shock. You will need a shock pump for that. Go buy one from your LBS.

    Third thing, maybe at the same time as second thing. Have the LBS adjust the pressure in the shock for you. If the shock is defective, they should also ber able to help you with getting that fixed, but be warned they might not appreciate that you bought online instead of from them.

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    Is the lockout switch off?

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    I've got a shock pump of course. I'll play with the shock pressure later. I see they sent the bike with the rebound set really fast. I can try messing with that too. The weather here is garbage right now, so I can't try it on on any trails. Sucks. We had our first snow.

    I bought it online because it was an insane deal. I was able to flip my old bike for more than this one, so I actually made a little money for getting a new bike. If not for that I would have bought it from the local shop.

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    Just got rid of the boat anchors. 2.5 DHF and 2.4 DHR2. Rolling resistance is night and day. I did weigh the Vee and they were 985g, but I swear they feel heavier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    I've got a shock pump of course. I'll play with the shock pressure later. I see they sent the bike with the rebound set really fast. I can try messing with that too. The weather here is garbage right now, so I can't try it on on any trails. Sucks. We had our first snow.

    I bought it online because it was an insane deal. I was able to flip my old bike for more than this one, so I actually made a little money for getting a new bike. If not for that I would have bought it from the local shop.
    Did you get a 2019 or 2020?

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    I bought the 2020. I was going to flip my old bike and get a Rift Zone 1 from either the local shop or Jenson. Would go with the local shop, but paying taxes made Jenson more appealing. Then I found a better deal than both and bumped up to the Rift Zone 2.

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    I just read the Vital review. They seemed to like the rear shock. I guess I need to tinker with it to figure out what's going on.

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    That's the deluxe r with debonair can, so only rebound and no lockout or trail mode. Should be a good shock as long as you don't need the additional modes.

    I have the RZ3 with the fox dps. It has open/trail/climb modes. I do flip from open to trail depending on if I'm climbing or descending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willmbrk View Post
    Just got rid of the boat anchors. 2.5 DHF and 2.4 DHR2. Rolling resistance is night and day. I did weigh the Vee and they were 985g, but I swear they feel heavier.
    Sweet! I'm glad to hear they're a solid improvement. I just got some new tires as well, which I'll be mounting tomorrow. I got a Tioga Glide G3TT for the front and a Schwalbe Rock Razor for the rear. The trails are pretty mild around here so I thought I'd give a semi-slick a try. The Tioga weighs 778 grams and the Schwalbe is 717 grams so a good bit of weight savings and they should roll a lot better. I'll report back once I get them on.

    It does make me wonder why Marin decided to equip the bike with the Vees. I get that their tires cost less than most and so it probably allowed them to keep the price down, but it just seems like a rather poor choice for such an important part on the bike. The only other thing about the spec I don't like was the choice to go with the SunRace cassette, which wouldn't be quite as annoying if it had a Micro Spline hub making it easier to upgrade, but of course it doesn't. Neither are dealbreakers to me, but I won't be surprised if the next year's spec will include changes to both of those.

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    Yeah I hear you. I want to put an XT Cassette on it. The DHF/DHR is freaking amazing. Rolls so much faster and grips like a beast. Best upgrade so far. I also want to check out the Hope hubs when they come out in January.

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    The XT cassette is amazing. It shifts buttery smooth.

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