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    Smart looking bikes.

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    A Marin rep emailed me that this bike is available now. I can not find it anywhere in the Northeast. I would like to purchase this bike "Pine Mountain 1" but am torn between a 15" and 17" .. Im 5'8" and tend to be shorter in the leg region 30" inseam. I do not want to do a blind purchase. Any suggestions?

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    ask the rep...

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    2016 Pine Mountain 1 Availability

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    ask the rep...
    In the Northeast, Marin dealers seem to be few and far between. I called 3 different EMS stores today (2 in NY and 1 in CT) and none would be able to order the Pine Mountain 1 for me. Found a dealer in Manhattan who reached out to Marin and reported that the bike is "SOLD OUT"!!! Marin apparently expects new supplies to come in in 3-4 weeks, so I'll need to follow up towards the end of October.

    The big question for me is, assuming a bunch of Pine Mountain 1 bikes have indeed been sold, why is it I have yet to find a single review of the bike anywhere on the Internet or on YouTube?!?

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    We need updates on the PM1

    I am wanting to know about rear clearance

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    Also - can anyone verify or dispel whether the fork on the release version has a cross brace?

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    After riding a full fatty (Fatback Corvus) I'm stoked on the 27+ idea. That and the PM2 is dead sexy. I'd love to hear some feedback if anyone gets a leg over one of these.
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    It looks like the PM2 is a virtual bike only and doesn't really exist...

    NO-ONE has posted anything anywhere on this bike

    (I love the B+ thing too)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonesetter2004 View Post
    It looks like the PM2 is a virtual bike only and doesn't really exist...
    Well, it's listed as a 2016 bike so I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't appear till Spring. Not sure how Marin is with their production; some companies don't do a reveal till they have stock in hand, others do a reveal then bikes don't appear for several months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bonesetter2004 View Post
    Also - can anyone verify or dispel whether the fork on the release version has a cross brace?

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    "Expect to see an additional brace across the top of the fork for production as well as side mounts on the legs however."

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    Glad I did not wait... I've been able to enjoy my new Ice Cream Truck Ops for some weeks already. I'd still be threading water on the forums had I decided to wait for Marin to get its act together.

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    Any update on these? I don't even know how to buy one, their website won't tell me.

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    It would put me off seeing PM's total lack of input anywhere for this bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Junglejay View Post
    Glad I did not wait... I've been able to enjoy my new Ice Cream Truck Ops for some weeks already. I'd still be threading water on the forums had I decided to wait for Marin to get its act together.
    That looks like a cool bike, but the price isn't even close. I can't afford that.

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    Not sure whether there's still stock, but Surly has a sick sale going on - Get ‘em while they’re fat. | Blog | Surly Bikes

    $1,199 for an ICT Ops is a great price for a fantastic machine! That's $651 less than the price I paid!!

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    The Pugs at $899 is also a nice alternative to the PM if you don't want to wait...

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    when people say wait....What are we waiting for? How long? I can't get an answer from any Marin reps. Basically getting "give me a deposit and I don't know when"

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    Quote Originally Posted by GPcruiser View Post
    when people say wait....What are we waiting for? How long? I can't get an answer from any Marin reps. Basically getting "give me a deposit and I don't know when"
    The BikeSnob has been writing about it.

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    Stopped in at the marin dealer yesterday. I was quoted 899 with availability in May.
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    Good grief, that'll be Autumn then

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    F it, I already got a Stache 5. It's awesome.

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    Don't wait. Get an Advocate Hayduke. Available and shipping now
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    Quote Originally Posted by c_mack9 View Post
    F it, I already got a Stache 5. It's awesome.
    The Stache 5 is easily the better bike I would have thought

    (I have a Stache 5)

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    I guess it depends on what your looking for. I want a steel rigid bike that fits my CK hubs. The Stache is alum, boost hub sized, and a few hundred more dollars. The Hayduke looks awesome, but it will cost me $1700 more then the Pine Mountain and about $1500 more then the Krampus I'm also looking at. Besides neither the Stache or the Hayduke have a big enough size. I think I can handle riding my decent fattie for a few months longer.
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    I also wanted a steel rigid, but I gotta admit with the cushion provided by the tires the ride quality is exceptional and it doesn't weigh 30 pounds.

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    Frame material makes zero difference as far as feel goes when you're running semi-fat

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    Quote Originally Posted by bonesetter2004 View Post
    Frame material makes zero difference as far as feel goes when you're running semi-fat
    After riding an alloy semi-fat and a Titanium semi-fat back to back I'll call BS on that one. I could definitely feel a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sdemars View Post
    After riding an alloy semi-fat and a Titanium semi-fat back to back I'll call BS on that one. I could definitely feel a difference.
    What was your tire pressure like? I think you could probably tell a weight difference but I cant imagine being able to tell a difference in the frame material mellowing out vibrations. The Stache 5 has a carbon fork, so that helps with the feel too. Pedaling effeciency is great, I can't imagine the Pine Mountain in steel being better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_mack9 View Post
    What was your tire pressure like? I think you could probably tell a weight difference but I cant imagine being able to tell a difference in the frame material mellowing out vibrations. The Stache 5 has a carbon fork, so that helps with the feel too. Pedaling effeciency is great, I can't imagine the Pine Mountain in steel being better.
    Stache was the alloy frame. Tire pressure was measured using a low pressure gauge and set at 13psi for both. Stache was 29+, the Ti was actually a 27+ so theoretically the smaller diameter and the lower volume should have been a bit more harsh. Theory didn't work out this way. The Ti frame was more compliant. FWIW - I was also riding the exact same trails.

    I've only ridden one fat bike (Fatback Corvus) but I've heard similar things from folks comparing different fat frames.

    I have no idea how the Marin rides, but I think it will likely also be a little different between the two models as they use different steel.
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    I agree with sdemars. There is a difference, just like there is a difference between a carbon fs and an alum fs. The stache is a great bike, but it's just not what I'm looking for. I eyeball them every time I go into my favorite LBS. I'll wait for the marin. Well unless I find a good deal on a Surly Krampus frame. Besides I really don't fit on a bike any smaller then 22".
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    Finally Got One.

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    nice,
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    Blimey - The Truth is finally Out There

    How did you get your hands on that?

    Are these bikes 'out' ??

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    A majority of my riding is Sonoran Desert and I have fully ridged Monocog 29 and a Tallboy to compare it to. I have (2) ride so far and a couple of thoughts:
    The Pine1 has ruined my other rides for off camber cornering.
    Not too heavy to throw around, manual or hop.
    Climbs extremely well.
    Mutes the very small trail chatter better than the Tallboy.
    Like a 29er, knowing when to maintain your momentum is key but more so with the Pine1
    Takes a little more effort to get the rotating weight going.
    Seems to scrub speed faster while coasting then the other rides.. More rolling resistance?
    Mechanically good but a couple of ghost shift between 2-3 and intermittent front brake drag.
    Personally I need to change to a chunkier grip like the ODI Ruffian.
    Very fun ride.

    I was able to get this one by luck. I have been calling all the local shop and they took my name. I believe the mediums hit about 2 weeks prior but I was looking for a large. Bike came in on 2/25.

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    Thanks SC99. That sounds like what I expected. I just picked up my new wheel set for this bike. WTB Asym i35 laced to my old Chris King hubs wrapped in Surly dirt wizards. Hopefully the XXLs will hit the east coast soon.
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    At the moment I am stuck between this bike or a Krampus....your thoughts.

    I already have a sweet Surly Ogre and really like Surly....but this Marin bike is cool!

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    I would check the weight of it first

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    At the moment I am stuck between this bike or a Krampus....your thoughts.

    I already have a sweet Surly Ogre and really like Surly....but this Marin bike is cool!
    I looked at the Krampus as well. I choose the Pine Mountain because Surly didn't have a date for the arrvial of the 2016 frameset and the 2015 is all sold out in my size.
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    The Krampus is a pretty cool bike. I'm just seeing a bit more value for the price on the Pine Mountain. The Schwalbe tires are tubeless ready and so are the wheels. On the Krampus you have to do some Gorilla tape method to trap the air on the Rabbit Hole rim to secure that fat Surly Knard. Also, the Pine Mountain has Hydraulic Brakes....but the biggest thing I am excited about is that extra low gear with a 42 tooth cassette. I read a review that the bike climbs excellent.

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    I've been having issues with the 11-42 10sp set up. The rear X7 derailleur B Screen keeps working its way around the screw stop. Thus, no tension and the top derailleur cog will drag on gears 1 and 2, plus the chain will make contact with the tire. I've looked, tweaked and adjusted. I was not able to resolve the issue. Took the bike to the shop and they too could not get it to work. In addition, they have another Pine 1 that is have the same issue. Not sure what is wrong. By no means am I a bike mech but in my option, it looks like I keep jarring the B screen off its seat. I have not hit the X7 on anything but maybe the repeated jarring along with the fact that it does not typically reach to accommodate a 42T cog has created my issues. The shop is being very cool. Now we are changing out to the XT M8000 to fix it.

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    This is bad news about the gearing. I don't know much about Marin. All I know is every time I see one of their bikes, I stop and admire it. This is a quality assurance issue. Maybe it's just the first few bikes like this.
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    Has anyone tried to install a suspension fork on a Pine Mountain 1? I just picked up one for my wife as a bikepacking rig & know from experience on my Krampus that a little squish is nice on the trails I frequent. According to Marin it is suspension corrected for a 100mm travel fork. I measured the axle to the bottom of the headtube at around 500mm, so I'm sure a 120mm fork with sag should work.

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    Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere (I looked) but has anyone tried squeezing a 29er wheel in the back?

    Would be nice to flick back and forth should I feel the need.

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    Eyeballing the Marin next to my Monocog 29" w/ Conti 2.2, and the 29" looks no taller. I'm confident that it will fit, but have not tried it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubiousdesigns View Post
    Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere (I looked) but has anyone tried squeezing a 29er wheel in the back?

    Would be nice to flick back and forth should I feel the need.
    I just tried a 29er front wheel which fit with plenty of room to spare under the arch. Will try the rear wheel when I have time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbanzi View Post
    I just tried a 29er front wheel which fit with plenty of room to spare under the arch. Will try the rear wheel when I have time.
    Awesome. Thank you! That was going to be my next question.

    This looks like the PERFECT bike for playing silly buggers at the weekend then hooking up the kids-seat/bike-trailer/everything-else for playing with the kids.

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    Any update on PM1?
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    Got my XXL in today on the east coast. With tax it ran $970. I think they are shipping preorders as they are able to. Will post pictures and thoughts tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xethur View Post
    Got my XXL in today on the east coast. With tax it ran $970. I think they are shipping preorders as they are able to. Will post pictures and thoughts tomorrow.
    Xethur,
    I'm very curious to know if you have the same issue with the B Screw. Keep us posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by santacruz99 View Post
    Xethur,
    I'm very curious to know if you have the same issue with the B Screw. Keep us posted.
    Is this the same problem with shifting the 42 tooth cassette ?
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    Yes.

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    I can see how that may cause problems. I dealt with a similar problem on my riding buddy's diamondback. I'll tinker with it and see what I can come up with.
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    The shifting has been alright. It does need some adjustment, but that's normal for a new bike.

    It's still to early to say for sure, but I think I'm really going to enjoy this bike.
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    Is it a design problem? Or does swapping out components cure the issue?
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    I'm sure M8000 will solve my issue but I'm still waiting on the shifter. I'll report back once its done and I have some trail time.

    Here is mine.. Can't rotate the photo.. Note the B screw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    Is it a design problem? Or does swapping out components cure the issue?
    Only a handful of bikes have a derailleur hanger designed to handle a 42t cog and its proper sized B screw. You can swap to a smaller cassette to cure the issue. I plan to add some hardware to the screw to enlarge its contact patch.
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    Here's my fix for the b screw. I'll let you know of I have any trouble. I did notice that the stop for the b screw is on the derailleur itself instead of the derailleur hanger. So switching the derailleur to a better model may fix the problem.2016 Marin Pine Mountain-marin-b-screw-1.jpg2016 Marin Pine Mountain-marin-b-screw-2.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xethur View Post
    Only a handful of bikes have a derailleur hanger designed to handle a 42t cog and its proper sized B screw. You can swap to a smaller cassette to cure the issue. I plan to add some hardware to the screw to enlarge its contact patch.
    That explains a lot, but why launch a bike like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    That explains a lot, but why launch a bike like this.
    It's a minor detail that easy could have been overlooked in lou of everything else that goes into bicycle construction. Also I noticed that the stop that the b screw rests on is actually part of the Sram X7 derailleur, so its more an sram issue then a marin issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xethur View Post
    It's a minor detail that easy could have been overlooked in lou of everything else that goes into bicycle construction. Also I noticed that the stop that the b screw rests on is actually part of the Sram X7 derailleur, so its more an sram issue then a marin issue.

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    Great Pics! Every photo on the net this thing looks orange however yours look red!

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    That's a trick of the lighting. She's very orange. I actually rather like the color scheme.
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    Brilliant!
    I too was looking to increase the contact pad of the B Screw.. However, since 1) I wanted to get into the new M8000 and 2) the shop gave me a great deal on the upgrade, I went for it. I'll probably take the old parts and tinker with them on my son's bike.

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    So the 11spd fits ok?

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    Which tires did the bike come with? The Marin site says Kenda Havok but some pictures show Nobby Nics.

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    Mine came with Kenda Havoks, but the first thing I did was switch the wheels out for some WTB asym i35 wheels and Surly Dirt Wizard tires.
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    Are the stock wheels and tires tubeless compatible?

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    I believe so, but I wouldn't want to fiddle with those wheels. They don't have a good bead seat for tubeless.
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    Did that shave any weight? There's isn't any info on the Maddux DD40 that I can find. Also, did you have them custom build? I've been looking on the interwebs but have not found any wheel sets in the B+ that are 135/100 hub spacing.

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    Yes they are custom built. I have some Chris King hubs off a retired 29er I wanted to use. I probably didn't shave any weight because Surly tires are heavy. Honestly I've never weighed any of my bikes. I'm a 240lbs Clyde, that likes steel bikes, and I destroy expensive lightweight parts. I'm much more interested in how a part performs. Alright rant done.

    Thus far the WTB asyms and Surly Dirt Wizards have been awesome. cornering traction for days, easy tubeless setup, and no noticeable flex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by santacruz99 View Post
    I've been having issues with the 11-42 10sp set up. The rear X7 derailleur B Screen keeps working its way around the screw stop. Thus, no tension and the top derailleur cog will drag on gears 1 and 2, plus the chain will make contact with the tire. I've looked, tweaked and adjusted. I was not able to resolve the issue. Took the bike to the shop and they too could not get it to work. In addition, they have another Pine 1 that is have the same issue. Not sure what is wrong. By no means am I a bike mech but in my option, it looks like I keep jarring the B screen off its seat. I have not hit the X7 on anything but maybe the repeated jarring along with the fact that it does not typically reach to accommodate a 42T cog has created my issues. The shop is being very cool. Now we are changing out to the XT M8000 to fix it.
    So after reading this and the rest of this thread I saw on the SRAM site that the X7 lists the largest cog being capable of taking is a 36. Perhaps could write to Marin and have them swap it out?

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    The reason Marin went with the x7 was to reduce cost. The only derailleurs rated for a 42t are 11 speed setups. If it helps any, my shifting has been smooth as butter since I tuned it in and added the nuts to the b screw. I did decide to swap out the x5 shifter so I have a x9 shifter on the way.

    Overall I'm very happy with the pine mountain. I've been riding fat only for a while now. With the fat bike on dirt it always feels like I'm going too fast. Like I'm pushing the bike to its limit. On the pine mountain it feels like I'm not going fast enough. I'm really looking forward to seeing how far I can push this bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xethur View Post
    The reason Marin went with the x7 was to reduce cost. The only derailleurs rated for a 42t are 11 speed setups. If it helps any, my shifting has been smooth as butter since I tuned it in and added the nuts to the b screw. I did decide to swap out the x5 shifter so I have a x9 shifter on the way.

    Overall I'm very happy with the pine mountain. I've been riding fat only for a while now. With the fat bike on dirt it always feels like I'm going too fast. Like I'm pushing the bike to its limit. On the pine mountain it feels like I'm not going fast enough. I'm really looking forward to seeing how far I can push this bike.
    Great to hear Xethur! I've put my order in for one and am just trying to get ahead of any kinks I need to work out :-)

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    To report back I'm on the XT M8000 cassette, shifter and derailleur. It fits and I haven't had any issues; (5) rides and 100+ miles. However, the shop had to use a spacer between the drive side of the BB and the crank to move the chain line out. This could be typical for a 63/78 BB and non-boost 135 rear but I'm not sure. Again, I have not had any problems or rubbing but I have little space between the tire and the chain at the 42 cog. So, if I wanted to go bigger than the 2.8 tire, the chain may rub on the tire or I need to move the chain line out again with another spacer.
    For the ride, very fun. Takes greater effort for me to keep the double bounce under control.. And I say double bounce because I do not know what else to call it. Its the initial compression from the trail and then the side wall of the tire reacting. The lower pressure does tame this quite a bit but then I feel my side wall collapse on an aggressive lean and the higher pressure seems to be the less of two evils for now. Regardless, these are not issues but more of a learning curve for me personally and I am posting respectable times that rival some of my personal times on strava.

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    I think I'm going with a Krampus. Still a very nice bike. Hope they work out the bugs at factory.
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    Can anybody tell me what the BCD is on the cranks? For ordering a new chainring.

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    Anybody changed over the chainring?

    I've been doing some measuring and there's not much space to put something bigger on. Was hoping for a 36 but that doesn't look possible.

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    So I asked Marin and they said they've had a 36 on the PM1 but nothing bigger - FYI

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    Hi All - Has anyone ordered a medium Pine Mountain 1? If so, how long did you have to wait?

    Update - My LBS reached out to Marin and they will not be able to order me one. Very disappointing news. Looks like I'll be waiting for a 2017.
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    So finally got my new PM1 going.

    Slight mixup with the online order and it came with some other tires than advertised but the awesome bike shop sent me the proper ones and I mounted them last night.

    I'd been riding around on the old ones for a little bit and was used to them, they are some 30tpi, wire bead kenda havoks, weigh 1050g. So heavy [email protected] The new ones are the performance line Nobby Nics in a 3.0 folding. These weigh 890g per tire. Whilst the tread is more aggressive than the Kenda's, and they pump up to 35psi rather than 25 (which I lean towards as I'm doing a bunch of commuting) I gotta say the NN's feel much more lively. I also saved about 100g by changing the standard pedals to some DMR V6's. So round numbers I'm down about 450g with most being at the rotational end of things. Am now thinking i'll get some Rocket Ron liteskins and save another 400g from the tires.

    Am loving the bike. Next changes are going to be a bigger chainring, perhaps the 36 as i mention above.

    Here she is pre-tire change and with a comparison shot:
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    I have Marin PM1 and want to upgrade the X7 to a XT 11 Speed. Is the stock rear hub 11 Speed compatible?

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    Yes. I'm running the M8000 cassette and derailleur.

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    Great thanks. The X7 is just not right for this setup. The design is flawed as the B-Screw is going past the stop.

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    My issue as well. I could bomb down a hill and rattle the B around the stop. Needs a larger foot print in my option. I've seen some people add hardware, nut and washer, to the end of the B screw to prevent it from working its way around. Looks like it would work but I was already committed to the M8000.

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    I saw my first Pine Mountain today and I'm in love! Still concerned about shifting all the way up to the 42 tooth. I will test drive tomorrow and probably buy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berserker26 View Post
    So finally got my new PM1 going.

    Slight mixup with the online order and it came with some other tires than advertised but the awesome bike shop sent me the proper ones and I mounted them last night.

    I'd been riding around on the old ones for a little bit and was used to them, they are some 30tpi, wire bead kenda havoks, weigh 1050g. So heavy [email protected] The new ones are the performance line Nobby Nics in a 3.0 folding. These weigh 890g per tire. Whilst the tread is more aggressive than the Kenda's, and they pump up to 35psi rather than 25 (which I lean towards as I'm doing a bunch of commuting) I gotta say the NN's feel much more lively. I also saved about 100g by changing the standard pedals to some DMR V6's. So round numbers I'm down about 450g with most being at the rotational end of things. Am now thinking i'll get some Rocket Ron liteskins and save another 400g from the tires.

    Am loving the bike. Next changes are going to be a bigger chainring, perhaps the 36 as i mention above.

    Here she is pre-tire change and with a comparison shot:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    How does this bike ride on pavement?
    Commute is 30km each way. On my cross bike with Continental 28 GP4 Seasons I average about 27-28kph, 30 on a day with decent wind. On the PM1 with 3.0 Nobby Nic's I average usually 23-25. And I am more tired after the ride, i suspect this will fade when i get used to the position a bit more. Ride time on the Cross bike usually 1.14, maybe 1.10 on a good day. On the PM1 I got 1.21 today, but usually like 1.25, so maybe an average of 11 mins slower. I do suspect that all this hard work on the PM1 will yield results when I get back on the cross bike and I'll be a bit quicker.

    In 'feel' related terms, the wind has a big bearing on my speed, moreso than usual. Also the jumps between cogs, am considering a praxis 10-40 as the spread looks to be better. I sometimes get a nice tailwind and i'm in top gear and spinning my guts out, i'm actually in the top 3-4 gears most of the time, like 99% of the time. Marin said a 36 would fit on the front, so think will do that too.

    Today the effing seatpost kept going down, have just emailed Marin about it. I tightened the hell out of it on my last try but still when down...need to fix this, not fun being out of position for most of the ride.

    One thing I will say is the thing is fun, it's awesome tucking in behind somebody and them hearing the big tires shouting at them, especially when they're on a race bike. I jump the curbs, ride over the grass, makes me fell like the king.

    Any more questions fire away.

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    The PM1 is coming with Kenda Havoks....they look nice, but I don't think they are Tubeless ready.
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    Well here she is, and she's pretty awesome! Removed original B screw, drilled out a bigger hole, and added a nice new screw with a washer/nut. It's still a pretty big jump for the X7 to the 42 tooth, but it gets there. This bike is simple and unique. Looking forward to some upgrades. Will take another pic with some of these changes.

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    Are the Kenda's on my PM1 Tubeless? Or is it just the wheels?
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    Just picked up a lightly used PM2 for $2K.

    This will be my ONLY trail bike with bikepacking aspirations. Added a carbon low-riser bar, ergon grips and syntace stem. Switched out the trailblazers for a purgatory (f) and ground control (r). LOVE the XT 1x11 and Fox Float 34.

    This bike is just oh-so-comfory and literal floats over all measures of terrain. Not to mention it's just plain ol' stunning to look at!

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    Love this PM1! Just made this internal frame bag for bikepacking. Only mods are dropping to a 30t chainring, and of course some Ergon grips. Bring on the summer, so I can get out camping on this thing.
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    Haha, wait a minute, I think the guy above me, Zirkel, is who I bought my PM1 from.

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    Still waiting on titanium bars. Still don't know if 27.5 is for me though. Cool pedals half flat half clipless.




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    Quote Originally Posted by santacruz99 View Post
    Yes. I'm running the M8000 cassette and derailleur.

    Were these the only drivetrain components you had to swap out? I torqued and bent my largest gear on cassette this week, and would like to fix the gearing issue so I'm not worrying about reliability.

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    Here's a shot of mine. Got it about 2 weeks ago now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by confusiontactic View Post
    Here's a shot of mine. Got it about 2 weeks ago now.
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    How do you like it? I think the Kenda's are holding up great. The bike is not as lively as my Surly Ogre, but still good. I like the way it grips on the loose chunky gravel.

    I'm dropping to a Wolftooth 30 tooth stainless chainring. I am also in the process if removing most of the black. Titanium bars, silver post, silver gips, natural saddle, titanium colored brake and shift lines, Pewter Chris King headset. I will post when I finish it this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    How do you like it? I think the Kenda's are holding up great. The bike is not as lively as my Surly Ogre, but still good. I like the way it grips on the loose chunky gravel.

    I'm dropping to a Wolftooth 30 tooth stainless chainring. I am also in the process if removing most of the black. Titanium bars, silver post, silver gips, natural saddle, titanium colored brake and shift lines, Pewter Chris King headset. I will post when I finish it this week.
    Nice! I'm really enjoying the ride, much different from my 160mm travel Titus El Guapo, but comparably as fun on my local trails for sure, it's such a different riding style. Enjoying the acceleration and leanability. I added a PNW Components Dropper post, and got a good test ride in today, after applying some fiber-grip to lock things in place.

    Quote Originally Posted by confusiontactic View Post
    Were these the only drivetrain components you had to swap out? I torqued and bent my largest gear on cassette this week, and would like to fix the gearing issue so I'm not worrying about reliability.
    I am wondering if an X9 derailleur would do the trick at minimal cost? I am noticing that when I am stopped, a revolution of backpedal will drop the rear gearing a ring or 2, and I suspect this is what happened when I bent the cassette this week.

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    No. Shifter, Chain, Deraileur and cassette.

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    Here she is all done. Thomson Titanium 780mm Bar, titanium colored Jagwire, SLX Brakes, Salsa Backcountry Grips, 30 tooth Wolftooth Chainring, Thomson Silver Seatpost, Brooks England Cambium C17 Saddle, Chris King Pewter Head Set, Crankbrothers Holeshot...



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    sick bike dude!

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    Looks awesome! Diggin the bars. I just ordered some new brakes for mine too... the stockers were having trouble keeping up!

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    Thanks guys. The stock brakes were less than stellar. Terrible feel, no ergonomics.

    What has exceeded my expectations has been the Kenda Havocs. I think the tires are great all around. Quick on pavement too. Don't know if I will go tubeless.

    The Kevlar Bead Kenda Havocs must be awesome. Anyone try to get a pair?
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    Anybody know the stock rim weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    Are the Kenda's on my PM1 Tubeless? Or is it just the wheels?
    Yes, they are. First thing I did when I got my bike some good 3 months ago. They're still keeping up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fmendes View Post
    Yes, they are. First thing I did when I got my bike some good 3 months ago. They're still keeping up.

    You are kidding me....these are tubeless??!! This is the wire bead tire on the stock rims. I know the rims are tubeless ready.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    You are kidding me....these are tubeless??!! This is the wire bead tire on the stock rims. I know the rims are tubeless ready.
    Kid you not. I was afraid since I've never done this before. Ended up being a breeze. Thought to myself that if it didn't work I'd have only spent sealant ($16), valves ($10) and one hour of my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fmendes View Post
    Kid you not. I was afraid since I've never done this before. Ended up being a breeze. Thought to myself that if it didn't work I'd have only spent sealant ($16), valves ($10) and one hour of my life.
    The Kenda are working so great it's hard to change anything. I'm carrying a smaller tube for emergency flats. Can't imagine putting the 27.5 2.8 tube under my seat.

    How different will this bike feel tubeless?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    The Kenda are working so great it's hard to change anything. I'm carrying a smaller tube for emergency flats. Can't imagine putting the 27.5 2.8 tube under my seat.

    How different will this bike feel tubeless?
    To be honest, I don't know. Just did a quick ride to check functioning (shifting, etc), and took the tubes off. But I suspect there will be not much difference.

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    Any concern running tubeless with the thinner side walls on these 27.5 plus tires?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    Any concern running tubeless with the thinner side walls on these 27.5 plus tires?
    I don't, but I put kind of a high pressure (~20 psi, but I'm heavy at 260 lb). I found that lower pressures were causing the tires to leak (tire rolling?). Not serious, but I prefer not to take the risk. With this pressure, not likely I'm getting any pinches.

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    There would be no pinch flats if you are running tubeless, just concern of burping the tire off the bead. I'm running around 13psi and 190lbs with no issues so far.

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    Got my first pinch flat on a steep downhill portion of a trail. Kind of my fault was running the front tire a little low on air, but she felt real good.

    Interesting to pull the the tube out of the Kenda Havoks and be the same size as the 2.4 tube I was carrying as a spare. Am I missing something ?
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    Successful first outing on the PM1. She worked flawlessly. Only modifications are a 30t chainring and some Salsa Bend 2 bars. And of course some Ergon grips.

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    Wow, nice!

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    Awesome, can't wait to get mine all kitted out for a bikepacking trip.



    Looks like the B-tension gremlin struck me... the carnage. Next week: Shimano 1x11 with Oval Chainring and Guide R brakes F&R.
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    I did some frame chopping today, the brazed on seat clamp is no bueno as far as non-stick compatibility with my Rainier dropper post (suspected seat tube ovalling with brazed-on clamp)... at least thats my theory. Will update with reality version later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by confusiontactic View Post

    Looks like the B-tension gremlin struck me... the carnage. Next week: Shimano 1x11 with Oval Chainring and Guide R brakes F&R.
    What size Oval? I didn't think you could fit one on there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berserker26 View Post
    What size Oval? I didn't think you could fit one on there.
    I hope it fits, will have a look today. It's a 32T

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    I have a friend who just recently bought the Pine Mountain 1. He is wondering if he can fit a RockShox 30 Gold TK fork to this bike?

    I have seen 29er Enduros that have run 27.5+, is it as easy as fitting at 29er fork and the tire clearance takes care of itself? I dont want to give him bad advice, he goes and buys the fork, only to find the tire/wheel doesn't fit. Anyone able to assist??

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    29er front size

    Quote Originally Posted by mbanzi View Post
    29er front wheel fit with plenty of room to spare under the arch
    what 29er front wheel size did you try? 2.4? Will the fork work without any problem with the maxxis 29x2.5 minion? or 29x2.8 / 29x3.0 ?

    I am buying the fork for a 29er so I'm really interested in this....thanks!

    What's the weight of the fork (if someone ever measured it)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berserker26 View Post
    What size Oval? I didn't think you could fit one on there.

    32T, it's on there now and it fits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by citizensnips3 View Post
    I have a friend who just recently bought the Pine Mountain 1. He is wondering if he can fit a RockShox 30 Gold TK fork to this bike?

    I have seen 29er Enduros that have run 27.5+, is it as easy as fitting at 29er fork and the tire clearance takes care of itself? I dont want to give him bad advice, he goes and buys the fork, only to find the tire/wheel doesn't fit. Anyone able to assist??
    I have asked the exact same question in a local store. The guy didn't know, but suggested asking directly to SRAM. I never asked because lost interest, but most reliable answer would be from them.

    I think the Rockshox 30 Gold TK is being used on the Pine Mountain 2017, but uses TA instead of QR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confusiontactic View Post
    32T, it's on there now and it fits.
    Thanks mate - what's the clearance like? Reckon you could fit a bigger oval on? I've got a normal 36 on mine.
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    Details on the frame bag please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    Successful first outing on the PM1. She worked flawlessly. Only modifications are a 30t chainring and some Salsa Bend 2 bars. And of course some Ergon grips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    Successful first outing on the PM1. She worked flawlessly. Only modifications are a 30t chainring and some Salsa Bend 2 bars. And of course some Ergon grips.

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    Nice setup! Can you give details on how your gear is attached to the handlebars? Just purchased a pm and looking to do some bikepacking myself

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    Set up my rear as tubeless last week. 1 ride and no issues yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by santacruz99 View Post
    Set up my rear as tubeless last week. 1 ride and no issues yet.
    With the stock Kenda's and stock wheels?
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    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nefariousvw View Post
    Details on the frame bag please.
    Quote Originally Posted by Flat_side View Post
    Nice setup! Can you give details on how your gear is attached to the handlebars? Just purchased a pm and looking to do some bikepacking myself

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    MAde the framebag with my mom. Made sleeves for some 1"x1/16" aluminum to slide into. Drilled holes in the aluminum, so it could mount to the 7 mounting spots inside the triangle. Worked great, rigid mount and no straps to mar the paint.

    You can see more pics here: http://forums.mtbr.com/bikepacking-b...p-1018586.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    With the stock Kenda's and stock wheels?
    I've also set mine up tubeless using stock wheels/tires. I used Gorilla Repair Tape 1.5"wide which fit the inside of the wheels PERFECT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nefariousvw View Post
    I've also set mine up tubeless using stock wheels/tires. I used Gorilla Repair Tape 1.5"wide which fit the inside of the wheels PERFECT!
    Never done this before. Gorilla Tape is the tape to use not any others, correct? Only one time around, or more than that with the tape. Than use some Stans and pump with air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    Never done this before. Gorilla Tape is the tape to use not any others, correct? Only one time around, or more than that with the tape. Than use some Stans and pump with air.
    Yup. I started opposite the valve stem hole and offset from the rim seam. One time around with an 2" overlap over the seam.

    I seat the bead then add Stans through the valve stem and reinflate to 20psi, swirl Stans around to coat the entire inner surface and let sit for 24hrs.

    The Gorilla Clear Repair tape is cheaper and wider than the Stans and comes highly recommended on this forum.


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    Tubesless SetUp Complete! Completed 8 miles Singletrack...tubeless worked excellent

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    Are you replacing the air stems to go tubeless? I took a tire off the other day and noticed my wheels are already taped. Might tackle the conversion soon

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    Yeah, you need separate air stems that are connected to the tube. I guess some may cut the air stem off the old tube. I carry a spare tube with an awesome strap under my saddle just in case. I believe the stock rim comes with a red strap that's not actual tape.
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    Ok, so you can reuse the stems attached to the inner tube? Yeah that red tape is what I saw

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    The stem from the inner tube will be too thin for the wheel. You need one that will screw in. Didn't mean to say to reuse stems. The red strap has to come off. That's there to protect the tube from the sharp edges of the holes used for the spokes. Gorilla tape 1.5 inch tape or your Stans Tape. I used thicker Stans.
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    Right on. Now it makes sense. Thanks!

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    I'm interested in this bike and was wondering if anyone has weighed theirs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackWare View Post
    I'm interested in this bike and was wondering if anyone has weighed theirs?
    My large is 34lbs even setup tubeless and XT drivetrain
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    I have not weighed mine yet. its a large as well and I was hoping for 32..

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    Great, thanks for the info. That sounds heavy, I had read a review on line that inferred it was but also said it was great fun on the trail.

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    Don't let the weight dissuade you. It's a solid, fun bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackWare View Post
    Great, thanks for the info. That sounds heavy, I had read a review on line that inferred it was but also said it was great fun on the trail.
    What Flat_Side said. Although it weighs more than everyone would like, I would argue that it is still an efficient ride being full rigid. You stand and pedal, it goes.

    Ironically, this has been the perfect bike for me when nursing a hangover from prior night's fun. Go figure..

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    The bike itself climbs surprisingly well. Not too slack with a 50mm stem puts in a real nice riding position. I love doing urban assaults and bar hops on it. Everyone always has something to say when they see this bike. Real head turner, and she descends like the best of them.

    What really heavy on this bike is the fork....but I love that fork.
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    I just weighed my medium on the old school, low tech bathroom scale. 185.5-217.5~32lbs.

    Bike is pretty much stock, except tubeless and a 30t chainring, ergon grips. Heavier than I thought, was thinking closer to 30lbs, but she is a blast to ride. And she was awesome on my 100mile bikepack trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confusiontactic View Post
    Awesome, can't wait to get mine all kitted out for a bikepacking trip.



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    Interested to hear how it goes with chopping off that seat clamp. Worst feature on the bike imo, so dumb and limits options for upgrading to like zero.

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    I am using mine as a utility bike, big rack and kid seat on the back smaller front rack up front so I don't mind the weight. I weighed mine stock (size XL) and it was around 13-14kg with those wack kenda tyres.

    One cool thing I've found that is not listed is that the two holes under the rear brake are for a bolt on kickstand. I've currently got a Merida 29er one on there that fits perfectly.

    One thing that bugs me is having all the mounts for full fenders but there are none out there that fit! only ones I've found that might fit are fat bike fenders from alibaba but the company hasnt got back to me yet and it will be a risk ordering them. Anyone knows of anything else let me know.

    My wheels don't seem to spin so well and the bike slows down super quick when it feels like it should keep rolling, any ideas what could be causing this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    The stem from the inner tube will be too thin for the wheel. You need one that will screw in. Didn't mean to say to reuse stems. The red strap has to come off. That's there to protect the tube from the sharp edges of the holes used for the spokes. Gorilla tape 1.5 inch tape or your Stans Tape. I used thicker Stans.
    I have used the red tape, couldn't have made a better decision. Have been using for the last several months, forgot completely about adding sealant in Texas summer. Tires are still holding the pressure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fmendes View Post
    I have used the red tape, couldn't have made a better decision. Have been using for the last several months, forgot completely about adding sealant in Texas summer. Tires are still holding the pressure!
    It's amazing how well this stock setup runs tubeless. The Maddux rims are not too shabby. I do here the spokes compress on ruff sections...that is all
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    Really been enjoying my Pine Mountain!

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    ^PM2 is so nice.

    anyone know what the stock stem size is that comes with the XL PM1 2016?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Afun View Post
    Here she is all done. Thomson Titanium 780mm Bar, titanium colored Jagwire, SLX Brakes, Salsa Backcountry Grips, 30 tooth Wolftooth Chainring, Thomson Silver Seatpost, Brooks England Cambium C17 Saddle, Chris King Pewter Head Set, Crankbrothers Holeshot...




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    Is anyone else able to provide more information on the fitment of 29er wheels/tires in this frameset? I know this is asking a lot - far beyond the intended purpose, to be sure - but what about running some 29x2.0-2.1" tires and some fenders, with a decent fenderline? It's got all those braze-ons, it's sort of asking to be Fred'ed up, and given that it's one of the few frames in XXL (and with a long enough top tube for a freak like me), I might just be that Fred...

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    Hmm... just eye-balling the pics above, looks like a taller wheel/tire and a fender might be a squeeze. I suppose there are the WTB Horizon 47s, which would leave plenty of room for fenders... Hmm...

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    Killer bike. Just not sure about the slack seat tube. Like to climb alot and don't like to be pushing the pedals from the back. Any thoughts on this?

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    Did 100 miles and 3000' climbing over two days this last summer. I didn't have any issues. I have the 2016 model and I do have my saddle slid all the way forward. I think I read the 2017 has an ever more angled seat tube, so that might make a bigger difference for you. Might want to try one out before committing. But, I'll say I so love my PM1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    Did 100 miles and 3000' climbing over two days this last summer. I didn't have any issues.
    Thanks for the info! I do love the bikes and might try to find a dealer near me (might be at least 2.5 hour drive though) to try one out. I thought the rigid model would be better as I would think the fork would not be quite as tall as the suspension fork.

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    Just checked and it was actually over 6000' of climbing over two days. And I think the rigid fork is the same height/length as a suspension fork.

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    Does anyone know anything 2017 Pine Mountain 1? It looks like an incredible deal for a cheap bikepacking rig. $100 less than the Timberjack with an XXL size.

    http://www.marinbikes.com/us/bikes/d...ine-mountain-1

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    Anybody tried the Performance Line Nobby Nic these were shipping with in some places tubeless? It's a folding bead however I can't see on the Schwalbe website, or the tire if they are tubeless ready.
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    So what is the verdict on 2017 PM1
    Really interested in one as Aus pricing is awesome
    My only concern is 27.2 seat tube and lack of dropper options

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    Quote Originally Posted by slohr View Post
    Killer bike. Just not sure about the slack seat tube. Like to climb alot and don't like to be pushing the pedals from the back. Any thoughts on this?
    I just replaced the original seatpost with one with smaller offset. Feels much better, but doesn't help a lot if you need to stand often (I usually do).

    By the way, I had put an ad of my PM1 2016 if anyone interested.

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    Woo Hoo new bike day2016 Marin Pine Mountain-img_20170325_154940709%5B1%5D.jpg

    So much bang for the bucks

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    Congrats.... picked mine up a bit over a week ago.

    Love the simple graphics and design. 27.5 + feels right to me.
    Maybe 31.6 # with wireless speedo on med frame.
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    So who's waiting for a new rigid fork after the recall? Think Marin have been pretty bad with comms so far, and I've been waiting for weeks with no bike to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayvee View Post
    So who's waiting for a new rigid fork after the recall? Think Marin have been pretty bad with comms so far, and I've been waiting for weeks with no bike to ride.
    Have not heard of that. So you are saying they are not communicating or offering info as to when you will get your new fork ?
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    More info on this forum Marin Pine Mountain recall...what. the. flip Singletrack Forum

    I am still waiting to hear anything from the Marin rep. They don't mention it on their website strangely, and customers who have questioned Marin through social media have had their posts deleted - not great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayvee View Post
    More info on this forum Marin Pine Mountain recall...what. the. flip Singletrack Forum

    I am still waiting to hear anything from the Marin rep. They don't mention it on their website strangely, and customers who have questioned Marin through social media have had their posts deleted - not great.

    Read a few of those there. Some are taking it lightly and not seeming too worried and others park the bike as directed. - Crack or defect on the fork by the brake hose possible.

    I'd probably send them another request asking for specifics on when you get your new fork now that it sounds over-due from promised info on their response (early March). The more relentless you are about pursing them could make you a priority over others who are not raising up a fuss. My guess is they are filling orders to replace them as fast as replacements are available.

    Also, express your concern about shoddy comm or followup thus far and I might even go so far as to copy a link to that forum and other mtn bike forums.
    Letting them know/remind them; Social media offers high viz praise on products and services and calls out slacking products, or customer service as well. Mention that you are starting to see negative experiences presented by Marin customers and you hope to not be left feeling stranded like many of them are claiming.

    WTH ,,, ? it can't hurt.
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    Yeh might have to go down that road if they don't sort it out soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayvee View Post
    Yeh might have to go down that road if they don't sort it out soon.
    Update here when you learn more.
    I hope it's good news.
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    Already filled out the form and Marin contacted me. My fork will be in my LBS next week for the swap. Swap has to be done by a LBS.

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    Still no replacement fork here. I guess Easter isn't helping.

    I was thinking of upgrading the fork anyway. Anyone know of a rigid carbon fork that will fit the 2016 PM1 where I can still use the OG front wheel?

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    Will this fork work? With the stock front wheel from the PM 1 2016? I am confused by all the drop out thru axle/ qr stuff? 27.5+ plus Fork Carbon MTB 3.5 in Carbon Fork Tapered UD matt Black 110 * 15 | eBay

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayvee View Post
    Will this fork work? With the stock front wheel from the PM 1 2016? I am confused by all the drop out thru axle/ qr stuff? 27.5+ plus Fork Carbon MTB 3.5 in Carbon Fork Tapered UD matt Black 110 * 15 | eBay
    Not if you want to use the stock wheel. This fork uses a 15mm thruaxle, not a 9mm QR axle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayvee View Post
    Still no replacement fork here. I guess Easter isn't helping.
    Had they/you communicated in the past 2 weeks ? If so, what are they promising?

    I don't recall if you are working with or through a LBS but I'd think any warranty / recall issues would be best to route through a dealer. A retailer has more clout and should get better response. At that point all your dealings are with the LBS to put the heat on the mfg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    Not if you want to use the stock wheel. This fork uses a 15mm thruaxle, not a 9mm QR axle.
    Damn. That's a shame I've been looking for a rigid carbon fork to fit but can't find anything that's 27.5+ and 9mm qr. don't really want to buy a new front wheel too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bachman1961 View Post
    Had they/you communicated in the past 2 weeks ? If so, what are they promising?

    I don't recall if you are working with or through a LBS but I'd think any warranty / recall issues would be best to route through a dealer. A retailer has more clout and should get better response. At that point all your dealings are with the LBS to put the heat on the mfg.
    Yeh it's a bit tricky because I bought the bike in the uk but have since moved to Sweden. No Marin dealers here so I've been shunted to a bike store in Finland. They've been helpful so far but still no fork. I need the contact details for the Marin rep here if anyone knows it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayvee View Post
    Yeh it's a bit tricky because I bought the bike in the uk but have since moved to Sweden. No Marin dealers here so I've been shunted to a bike store in Finland. They've been helpful so far but still no fork. I need the contact details for the Marin rep here if anyone knows it?
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    Hey thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jayvee View Post
    Yeh it's a bit tricky because I bought the bike in the uk but have since moved to Sweden. No Marin dealers here so I've been shunted to a bike store in Finland. They've been helpful so far but still no fork. I need the contact details for the Marin rep here if anyone knows it?
    Hope you have resolved your problem. As for a third party fork, keep in mind that it should be suspension corrected, meaning that it needs to be taller than a regular rigid fork. Without that, the whole geometry will be too forward.

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    Spoke with Ian at Marin yesterday. My new fork shipped Monday, so it should be here soon. Waiting for my lbs to call.

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    My new fork came in on Monday. Just had time today to drop off my bike. Should be ready in a day or so.

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    Back in action!

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    Cool news, cool bike. Like those colors.

    Did the shop inspect the old fork or see/show you any signs of a problem ?
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    Weird thing actually, there was some miscommunication with Marin and the bike shop. They made me pay $20 for the fork swap and they gave me the old fork, even though I'm pretty sure they weren't supposed to. I will be hanging it in my garage as a little wall art. The forks look identical to me and I didn't see any cracks or issues with the old fork. I also don't jump my PM1; it's primarily a bike pack and gravel grinder. It rarely sees single track.

    I'm going to call Marin Monday and see about getting my money back. I should not have to pay for the recall.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    Weird thing actually, there was some miscommunication with Marin and the bike shop. They made me pay $20 for the fork swap and they gave me the old fork, even though I'm pretty sure they weren't supposed to. I will be hanging it in my garage as a little wall art. The forks look identical to me and I didn't see any cracks or issues with the old fork. I also don't jump my PM1; it's primarily a bike pack and gravel grinder. It rarely sees single track.

    I'm going to call Marin Monday and see about getting my money back. I should not have to pay for the recall.


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    Yes I agree. Their only protection from liability is to meltdown or at least have possession of every bad or questionable fork. I can't imagine them being difficult about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeeno View Post
    Weird thing actually, there was some miscommunication with Marin and the bike shop. They made me pay $20 for the fork swap and they gave me the old fork, even though I'm pretty sure they weren't supposed to. I will be hanging it in my garage as a little wall art. The forks look identical to me and I didn't see any cracks or issues with the old fork. I also don't jump my PM1; it's primarily a bike pack and gravel grinder. It rarely sees single track.

    I'm going to call Marin Monday and see about getting my money back. I should not have to pay for the recall.
    Same happened here. Even worse I left the bike shop with the fork in my hands to do the replacement myself. I've been told by the bike shop that the recall covered parts, but not the service.

    The new fork is almost identical, but there are three black stripes in the new one, below the fender (?) 4mm screws. Of yours doesn't have these stripes, is still the old model. Beware.

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    I would have rather them send it to my house and I do the sway myself in 15 minutes. Going to my LBS was a waste of 60 minutes of driving and $20 for labor I didnt need.

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    Just picked up my 2017 Pine Mountain. Loving the bike. First up grade Surly Dirt wizards. The Performance Knobby Nics just weren't going to last in the Sonoran desert

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    I have a 17 PM1 and habe been rocking the knobby nics tubeless so far they habe been solid.

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    Too new to consider dropping money on tires until I need them. Rubber seems grippy but I like the tighter knobby look of the Rocket Ron tires for what I ride. As of now, no complaints on the tires, ride or traction.

    By the time I need tires, I'll have some ideas and consider the reviews and prices or deals. Def not going cheap though. Not the place to go cut rate IMO.
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    I just swapped to a 29" wheelset. Definitely changed the ride character, for sure. Now, I have a choice of 29 or 27+ for bike packing depending on the route.

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    Just picked up a PM2, can't wait to try it on some single track.

    Pinch flatted the rear on a curb during test drive, 14 psi was a little low I guess. Got it set up tubeless from the shop.2016 Marin Pine Mountain-img_1329.jpg
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    OK, now that Ive shredded the knar, like a mountain dew ad with this sled a couple times I can get a better review for you all.

    I rode two sessions of about 1.5hrs each on 50% tight rooted single track & 50% fast flowy single track with plenty of short steep punch climbs, reasonably technical riding. Mostly hard pack & loose over hard conditions.

    Rubber that came with this machine is WTB Trail Boss 3 front & WTB Ranger 2.8 rear, first ride was about 14psi both tubeless (same pressure that pinch flatted during test ride at shop). Had a major front burp on first ride & had to add pressure trailside, I assume this was during G-out turns with hard tire roll. Seems like a small burp on second ride as well, with both tires at 15psi. I think ill need a precision low pressure gauge to really dial in the right tire pressure.

    This machine is kinda strange, it wheelies & lifts front end over trail obstacles very easy and stays planted well during climbing. Seems odd, but is great to ride. The climbing traction is insane; my trail bike is a Kona HeiHei 29er and can hold its own on the ups but this thing is next level for sure. Hard fast cornering takes a little more work than my trail bike, as the front end grip is absolute when its under braking or g-force. Most of this can likely be balanced with air pressure.

    Obviously the full XT 1x11 is the cats ass, no complaints from me at all. Ive only ever had 32mm forks (Fox & Marzocchi, also a 35mm Boxxer) and this Fox 34 is real plush, Ive been running it in full open & looking at the O-ring its used the full 120mm of trave.

    Seems to really do well on single track, climbs great, is surprisingly agile, feels very light when riding, nice components, crazy traction and is very quite except for the tires gripping. I seem to forget to use the dropper, as Ive never ran one before. It also is a smooth ride for a hard tail because the rear tire eats up so much trail chatter.

    Im super happy so far & dont even expect to be changing cockpit components or anything else anytime soon.
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    Hi, does anyone know what the forks are that are on the 2016 PM2?

    The marin site says "Fox Float 34 27.5+, 3 Position Lever, 110x15mm Thru-Axle". Review sites are saying 120mm.

    I can't seem to match the fork to anything on the Fox 2016 page - the factory versions are the only forks that are "27.5+". It's also on the factory forks that are 120mm. But, i'm guessing these are OEM only forks with the GRIP damper and internals that reduce the travel to 120mm.

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