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    What Deal Extreme Torches do you like?

    I'd like to get a little discussion going about what people like torch-wise from Deal Extreme. I bought 4 of these http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.14027 a few years ago, and my son has managed to lose a couple while camping. These are good, but have very little flood (good helmet spot light) - I'm looking for a light the same size that has more flood. What have you got from DX and like?

    I do have a magicshine for the bars, but would like one more light (or a couple) to play with for the other side of the bars and helmet.

    What DX SKU do you like and recommend?

    TIA

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    I have the Aurora AK-P7-5 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16091. It almost two years old and hasn't given me any problems. It's 3-4x brighter than your current flashlight but it's also double the cost. For $35 it's an awesome deal.

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    I'm interested in hearing the responses to this question as well so if there are any other suggestions I'd love to hear them.

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    https://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.18623

    heres mine, got 2 of these torches, modified it to be helmet mounted, i just used the lighthead, soldered a positive and negative wire and seal everything with silicone sealant and a plastic cap and used the clickie switch inline, i used an 11.1v 2500mah lipoly battery stored in my backpack. its very nice to use it on the helmet since it has a lot of throw. and it has a white cold q5 cree xr-e, it appears brighter even if its rated at only 400 lumens.
    https://i235.photobucket.com/albums/.../Image0274.jpg

    im using 2 ms900 on the bars and this torch on the helmet. very nice combination. my buddies say im too bright for the streets.

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    I have a couple of MTE SF-15 lights.
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22567
    Had two of them on my bars this past winter for downhill sections and used a Magicshine light for the climbs. These lights will burn about 1 hour on high. Both lights worked fine all winter. Very happy with this light and it's very bright.

    I also have a TR-801 on my helmet.
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13095
    This light will burn for about 90 minutes. Had one of these die on me last year. Cheaper to buy a new one than to fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warrengee
    I have the Aurora AK-P7-5 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16091. It almost two years old and hasn't given me any problems. It's 3-4x brighter than your current flashlight but it's also double the cost. For $35 it's an awesome deal.
    I am interested in this light, it comes with a battery charger correct?

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    No charger

    Quote Originally Posted by GTR2ebike
    I am interested in this light, it comes with a battery charger correct?
    No charger, no battery, purchase separately.
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    Do you remember how much the total came to with shipping?

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    Do you remember how much the total was with shipping?

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    I use the MS on my helmet, and I run one or two of these on my bars.

    However, I'm switching to these.

    The ones from DX use 3 AAA batteries and last about an hour before they start to dim. So sometimes I will change batteries mid-ride which is a pain to do in the dark, on the trail.

    I think the ones from QualityChinaGoods will not only be brighter (Q5 compared to P4's), but will be a lot easier to change the single 18650 battery if need be.

    I'll post my review of these when they get here and I get to use them on a night ride.

    Oh, and I also have one of the Trustfire TR-801's from DX. I unthreaded the head about 2 turns and put a piece of electrical tape around the head to keep it from turning anymore. This takes the spot light and spreads it out a bit to be more floody.

    I use this one as a loaner to people that don't have lights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR2ebike
    Do you remember how much the total came to with shipping?
    Dealextreme's prices include international shipping to any location.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSR101
    I'd like to get a little discussion going about what people like torch-wise from Deal Extreme. I bought 4 of these http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.14027 a few years ago, and my son has managed to lose a couple while camping. These are good, but have very little flood (good helmet spot light) - I'm looking for a light the same size that has more flood. What have you got from DX and like?

    I do have a magicshine for the bars, but would like one more light (or a couple) to play with for the other side of the bars and helmet.

    What DX SKU do you like and recommend?

    TIA
    In keeping with the original request: Since you already have a couple torches that use drop-ins, this is my suggestion. Buy a couple XP-G R-5 drop-ins. This is the one I use and suggest > http://www.kaidomain.com/ProductDeta...roductId=10064
    It is listed as 4.2volts max which is what you want if you are running single 18650's. It comes with a reflector that is a little too tight for MTB'in ( IMO ) BUT...if you exchange the reflector and use the one from your Q-5 XR-E drop-in, you will get a more usable beam pattern. The same applies if you wish to use it as a bar light.

    Personally I have a couple nice true MTB light sets but a lot of time I choose the lite-weight / convenience of torches. My favorite bar torch to date is this one > http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12060
    I use it with this torch holder > http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15342
    This P-7 torch is the best one I have. It works flawlessly,has a nice wide spill and lots of throw. Comes on in mid-mode, then low, then high, then the flash modes. There is no memory but this is a mixed blessing. All you have to do is turn it off and it comes back on in mid-mode so no need to cycle through the stupid flash modes. It will run for more than three hours in mid-mode which is a very usable setting. Even the low mode is only slightly dimmer than mid-mode and can be considered usable as well. With my sku12060 on the bars and my XP-G drop-in with XRE reflector on the helmet, I have no problem seeing anything. So far I'm doing my typical 2hr rides and still haven't yet needed to switch out a battery ( even though I always carry a spare just in case ) Anyway, out of the 8 or so torches I own these are the ones I use most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR2ebike
    I am interested in this light, it comes with a battery charger correct?
    Unfortunately it doesn't come with the charger. The charger is only $5 though.

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    I'm curious on how long the MTE P7 or Aurora P7 torch will run on high?

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    Quote Originally Posted by punkaccountant
    I'm curious on how long the MTE P7 or Aurora P7 torch will run on high?
    60 minutes or less from what I've read on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSR101
    60 minutes or less from what I've read on here.
    Just so everyone understands....Yes, that is right, the torch begins to noticeably dim around 50min but remains near the high output level for near 60min. After that the torch will continue to run maybe another 20-30min at diminished output levels ( depending on how old your batteries are ). Usually I will switch batteries ( takes about 30sec. ) if/when the output drops below the lowest level....UNLESS...I know I will need the higher output then I will/would switch out much sooner. Nevertheless, since I run the mid-level most of time for the bars, I've yet to run a battery out while on a ride. That goes for the helmet torch as well, I only use the high setting when I really need it.

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    P7-D MTE flashlight

    I am very happy so far with this flashlight:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22569
    I use the following bar mount for it:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.31871
    I found this info on mtbr.com , I think it was in the DIY lights forum

    Cat-man-do, do you find that the torch mount (http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15342) is secure, not allowing the torch to rattle around on the trail?

    DX also has a more expensive Fenix mount:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13004
    see attached image.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goatman
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    Cat-man-do, do you find that the torch mount (http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15342) is secure, not allowing the torch to rattle around on the trail?
    Yes, it is very secure. It uses a cam-type buckle for both the bar mount and the torch mount. It takes a little getting used to to find the right adjustment for the torch but once you're dialed in everything is very secure. The bar buckle is almost exactly like the bar mount for the Dinotte 600L....quick release is the best way to go. The base of the mount is designed to swivel a bit, which I don't like but other than that it is a nice mount. I just tape up the swivel so it doesn't move and I'm good. I liked it so much I bought a spare...just in case it breaks or something. I've used it more than a year now without a problem.

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    So why not another MS900 or it's bigger brother the 1400? Seems like the 1400 on the bars and the 900 on the helmet would be a wicked combo. I guess it would be significantly more expensive than a couple of DX lights, if low $$$ is what you're after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoHeadsBrewing
    So why not another MS900 or it's bigger brother the 1400? Seems like the 1400 on the bars and the 900 on the helmet would be a wicked combo. I guess it would be significantly more expensive than a couple of DX lights, if low $$$ is what you're after.

    After 2+ years of lights attached to my bike, i have now gone for this combo, the Ms1400 mount is a bit feable for this light over proper off road terrain so had to do my Electron mount upgrade! I have a 5 mode Geoman MS900 on my helmet.

    Never need more light i tend to use the front light with just the two R2's on full for most riding as it gives a nice broad beam.

    I do sometimes pop a R5/SST-50 on bars too, too give a bit more punch into the night with only a little extra weight up there!

    TBH i have probably spent the same amount of money on light as if id ove bought a Betty! But now have a load of spare torches batteries etc and have kitted out 4 people so far with my GF plannig on using my SF-15 on bars and the R5 on her helmet for the upcoming season! (i go out late just to use my lights (and the trails are empty) while its light at night)


    Quote Originally Posted by GOATMAN
    Cat-man-do, do you find that the torch mount (https://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15342) is secure, not allowing the torch to rattle around on the trail?
    click on the link in my sig if you want to make proper style mount for yoyr torches, will update with my current ones which are even better soon!

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    I just ordered an MTE SF-15 off DX as they are a little smaller/more compact than my current SF-23 with a similar light output.
    Moggy82 can you elaborate on what lights these are that you mentioned:
    "Never need more light i tend to use the front light with just the two R2's on full for most riding as it gives a nice broad beam."
    Pardon my ignorance!

    Thanks for the informative link!

    I run a Magicshine 900lumen on my helmet as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goatman
    I just ordered an MTE SF-15 off DX as they are a little smaller/more compact than my current SF-23 with a similar light output.
    Moggy82 can you elaborate on what lights these are that you mentioned:
    "Never need more light i tend to use the front light with just the two R2's on full for most riding as it gives a nice broad beam."
    Pardon my ignorance!

    Thanks for the informative link!

    I run a Magicshine 900lumen on my helmet as well.
    That is refferring to the MS1400, the two small ligts on the sides!

    You wont regret the SF-15 as long as you get a genuine one, there are copies which are much larger floating about! My one had no memory mode so came straight on at full, then one half click to med mode, the other modes never got used!

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    Quote Originally Posted by moggy82
    You wont regret the SF-15 as long as you get a genuine one, there are copies which are much larger floating about! My one had no memory mode so came straight on at full, then one half click to med mode, the other modes never got used!
    Excuse my ignorance but is most of the Deal Extreme stuff fake or do they sell from the genuine manufacturers? How can they sell a product labeled as an Aurora or MTE if it wasn't made by that company?

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    Ditto

    Quote Originally Posted by qdave
    I have a couple of MTE SF-15 lights.
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22567
    Had two of them on my bars this past winter for downhill sections and used a Magicshine light for the climbs. These lights will burn about 1 hour on high. Both lights worked fine all winter. Very happy with this light and it's very bright.

    I also have a TR-801 on my helmet.
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13095
    This light will burn for about 90 minutes. Had one of these die on me last year. Cheaper to buy a new one than to fix it.
    Copy cat. I have the 5 mode MTE. My ride is 35-40 minutes and I recharge batteries after two rides. The MTE on the bars is floody, the TR-801 on the helmet is throwy. This is my first helmet light and I really like having a helmet light.

    I use sku.12000 for helmet mount and sku.15642 for the bars. The bar mount is rock solid but cumbersome to remove the flashlight. I've just ordered sku.8274, which is hidden in Flashlight Accessories!

    I've also ordered the fake PBSF sku.35036 to attach to the back of my helmet.

    I'm happy with these flashlights. They are relatively small while still delivering a good amount of light. The 2 battery flashlights are just too long for my tastes.

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    Not fakes

    Quote Originally Posted by punkaccountant
    Excuse my ignorance but is most of the Deal Extreme stuff fake or do they sell from the genuine manufacturers? How can they sell a product labeled as an Aurora or MTE if it wasn't made by that company?
    These flashlights are made by the listed manufacturers. But the knock off brands are cheap imitations of quality name brand flashlights like Surefire, Fenix, Jetbeam. The quality of these lights is hit or miss. Many people call DX products Junkfire. I like all of my Junkfire lights! If I ruin them in the rain or if I crash, I can afford to replace them. And as Catmandoo has pointed out, if you buy P60 style lights, you can upgrade the pill as new emitters come out.

    I have to admit, though, that the Dinotte and other name brand bike lights look very fashionable. And I've never seen anyone complain about quality; they are all well made lights.

    What you choose is personal preference.

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    Bar mount modifications

    LiveFreeThenDie said:
    I've just ordered sku.8274, which is hidden in Flashlight Accessories!

    Have a look at this thread:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=637239
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    Quote Originally Posted by GSR101
    I'd like to get a little discussion going about what people like torch-wise from Deal Extreme. I bought 4 of these http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.14027 a few years ago, and my son has managed to lose a couple while camping. These are good, but have very little flood (good helmet spot light) - I'm looking for a light the same size that has more flood. What have you got from DX and like?

    I do have a magicshine for the bars, but would like one more light (or a couple) to play with for the other side of the bars and helmet.

    What DX SKU do you like and recommend?

    TIA

    Ok guys this thread shuldn't mutate to another magicshine discussion!!

    Back to GSR101 question:
    Based upon your existing 4 (or now less ) DX lights this Skyray Light is what you are searching for (my guess )
    It gives you a bit more flood, thus with a reasonable throw, you can use your existing batteries and charger and it is the same size! Buuuuut it kicks out a lot mor lumen and unses the latest led technology........

    Ok, that was my input

    Ok, one last thing to mention though:
    As catmando already suggested - just to replace the drop in is also a cheap and well working solution! You only need a light for that (hopefully your son hasn't lost all your lights)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitedog1
    Based upon your existing 4 (or now less ) DX lights this Skyray Light is what you are searching for (my guess )
    ..... uses the latest led technology........
    Actually it uses tomorrows technology. XPE R4, not released yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by znomit
    Actually it uses tomorrows technology. XPE R4, not released yet.
    yes you are right: DX shows a false description!

    If you look at the reviews and the forum discussions.......it seems to be an XPG R5

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    Fenix LD20s.

    IMO are among some of the best AA flashlights out there albeit pricey. The ones listed on DealExtreme are the older Cree Q5 XR-E versions (180 lumens).

    The latest out right now are the XP-G R4 models with slightly higher lumen output (205 lumens) and similar run times (unfortunately not offered by DX yet).

    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.19190

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    Quote Originally Posted by goatman
    I just ordered an MTE SF-15 off DX as they are a little smaller/more compact than my current SF-23 with a similar light output.
    [.
    Goatman, did you get your MTE from DX yet? It's this one right? If so, first impressions?

    I'm thinking about getting the same one (I like that it's shorter then a lot of the other P7's).
    It would be for my bars while my MS900 is on my helmet.

    Since I already have 18650 batteries around, it seems like a good alternative to getting another complete MS, and it's only about 1/3 of the price.

    Any feedback (from anyone) on sku 22567 is appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut
    Goatman, did you get your MTE from DX yet? It's this one right? If so, first impressions?

    I'm thinking about getting the same one (I like that it's shorter then a lot of the other P7's).
    It would be for my bars while my MS900 is on my helmet.

    Since I already have 18650 batteries around, it seems like a good alternative to getting another complete MS, and it's only about 1/3 of the price.

    Any feedback (from anyone) on sku 22567 is appreciated.
    Fightnut I am very impressed with the MTE-SF15 flashlight. (http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22567)
    It is just as bright as the longer & heavier MTE SF- 23 that I already own.
    I had to tighten the LED module and using needle nose pliers though, as it was a little loose. Actually went and tightened the switch assembly this morning as well, even though it was not really that loose, just that I like to have it seated tightly. (No fun trying to sort out a flickering or dead flashlight out on the trail at night.)
    The size is ideal for a handlebar torch.
    I did a test running MS 900 on my helmet and both MTE SF-23 and MTE SF-15 on the bars using the modified mounts sku.15342.
    I found that one flashlight provided enough flood for the area in front of my wheel.
    I would recommend the smaller MTE-SF15 as long as you check that everything is tight when you receive it. It would also be an option as a helmet flashlight.
    Build quality seems fine, the clicky type tailswitch works well.
    I don't want to run another MS on the bars as then I have to attach a battery pack to my frame. I carry some spare 18650 batteries in my Camelbak for the flashlight just in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut
    Goatman, did you get your MTE from DX yet? It's this one right? If so, first impressions?

    I'm thinking about getting the same one (I like that it's shorter then a lot of the other P7's).
    It would be for my bars while my MS900 is on my helmet.

    Since I already have 18650 batteries around, it seems like a good alternative to getting another complete MS, and it's only about 1/3 of the price.

    Any feedback (from anyone) on sku 22567 is appreciated.
    I have that P7 and I like it. I don't really have anything to compare it to. The build quality isn't too bad. It doesn't get too hot while riding. It has been rock solid, no flakiness. It even remembers what mode it was in if you power cycle it. It's a perfect size for the handle bars.

    The light I got was well worth the money.

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    I've reviewed both the 900 & 1400 Lumen deal extreme lights. Blinking great for teh cash.

    Only reservation so far is their lack of water tightness.....and short cable shipped.

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    I use these.

    https://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.05937



    M-CE m bin, $20, but switched the reflector (below) with a smooth one instead for some throw.

    https://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.05937

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    Got my MTE SF-15 today and I'm kinda bummed. I'm having problems with it staying on.

    As soon as I got it, I stuck a fresh battery in, turned it on, came on high first and shut right off. Medium ad low stayed on, but high, strobe and sos would shut off.

    I took it apart, tightened down the switch and the pill (got maybe a 1/4 turn or less). Put it all back together and this time high/med/low seem to be staying on, but strobe and sos shut off after a second or two.

    If it stays that way, that's fine with me because I have no need to those two modes, but I can't help but be concerned that I could have future problems with high/med/low.

    Anyone else have an issue with this particular light?

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    So, for the people out there that have the MTE SF-15, is it a good deal? I'm thinking getting these items from DX:

    MTE SF-15 P7
    2-Pack Trustfire 2000mah 18650 batteries
    Battery Charger

    Total comes to $43, which seems like a good deal. Good list you think, or are there better products for about the same price?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut
    Got my MTE SF-15 today and I'm kinda bummed. I'm having problems with it staying on.

    As soon as I got it, I stuck a fresh battery in, turned it on, came on high first and shut right off. Medium ad low stayed on, but high, strobe and sos would shut off.

    I took it apart, tightened down the switch and the pill (got maybe a 1/4 turn or less). Put it all back together and this time high/med/low seem to be staying on, but strobe and sos shut off after a second or two.

    If it stays that way, that's fine with me because I have no need to those two modes, but I can't help but be concerned that I could have future problems with high/med/low.

    Anyone else have an issue with this particular light?
    I ordered the 2 of those same lights and I'm waiting on them to arrive any day now. I'll let you know how they turn out. I'm not so excited now after hearing about your problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoHeadsBrewing
    So, for the people out there that have the MTE SF-15, is it a good deal? I'm thinking getting these items from DX:

    MTE SF-15 P7
    2-Pack Trustfire 2000mah 18650 batteries
    Battery Charger

    Total comes to $43, which seems like a good deal. Good list you think, or are there better products for about the same price?
    I bought the exact same thing as you, and I'm impressed with it. It's very powerful and lasts long enough, though for longer rides I need to change batteries. It's impossible to beat for the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut
    Got my MTE SF-15 today and I'm kinda bummed. I'm having problems with it staying on.

    As soon as I got it, I stuck a fresh battery in, turned it on, came on high first and shut right off. Medium ad low stayed on, but high, strobe and sos would shut off.

    I took it apart, tightened down the switch and the pill (got maybe a 1/4 turn or less). Put it all back together and this time high/med/low seem to be staying on, but strobe and sos shut off after a second or two.

    If it stays that way, that's fine with me because I have no need to those two modes, but I can't help but be concerned that I could have future problems with high/med/low.

    Anyone else have an issue with this particular light?
    Sounds like you might have a bad driver. On the other hand this could be a blessing in disguise. Who really wants the flash modes anyway? As long as you have High-med-low you should be good. If you continue to have problems don't sit on it too long though. The shorter days are coming and there will likely be the usual rush for "All things light related" when the days get shorter. It would be prudent to ship it back before the mad rush is on for new lights. If it were me, I would just go ahead and order another one ( as long as you like the output..) and keep the other one as a back-up / lender / extra parts / or return later option. At least the one you have now works, for ever how long that may be.

    Let us know how things fair. I was thinking of ordering one of these myself to replace my clunky SF-23 which has one burnt out led die. For the time being I'm going to wait to see if others have the same problem with theirs as you did with yours before I decide to order.

    A quick little positive D/X story: Four weeks ago I ordered a nice little Q-5 5-mode mini torch for pocket duties. I also ordered two of the CRC123A rechargable Li-ion cells the torch works with ( only uses one cell at a time ). The bad news was the batteries I ordered were out of stock. The good news was that D/'X sent two other batteries ( Trustfire 880mAh Black and red/fire cells ) and told me they would send the others when they came in stock. I thought that was a nice touch by D/X. The torch works great and the batteries are great as well. Nothing like getting something for free to add some icing on the cake.

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    Troubleshooting link

    Here is a link for troubleshooting your flashlights:

    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=227518

    I found this on another thread on mtbr.com.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoHeadsBrewing
    So, for the people out there that have the MTE SF-15, is it a good deal? I'm thinking getting these items from DX:

    MTE SF-15 P7
    2-Pack Trustfire 2000mah 18650 batteries
    Battery Charger

    Total comes to $43, which seems like a good deal. Good list you think, or are there better products for about the same price?
    I use these batteries:

    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26247

    2600 mAh

    Protected circuit, no problems yet.
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    Update/review of my MTE SF-15.
    I used it on my bars last night for a nice rooty ride. I only really wanted HIGH, and so that's all I used. I didn't even try the other modes. It starts on HIGH each time.
    Our ride was about 1.5 hrs. I would shut it off when we'd stop to regroup, and the one battery lasted the whole time. Just as we were nearing the end of the ride, I noticed it was slightly dimmer for about the last 5 minutes.
    So minus the breaks, I got a little over an hour of full light before it started to dim.

    No problems at all, no flickering, no shutting off. It makes a real nice bar light. I personally wouldn't want to wear it on my helmet because of the size and weight, but it could be done.

    It will be a nice cheap light that I can lend out to people who don't have lights, or use it to compliment my MS900 that's on my helmet until I pick up a MS1400 for my bars.

    Today I tried the other modes and everything is working fine now. Go figure. I dunno, maybe it needed to warm up! LOL!
    For the price, I'm real happy with it. I'd buy another one.

    Now if I could just get DX to ship my mounts!

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    Batteries

    Fightnut,

    Cool, glad it all worked out on the trail!
    What 18650 batteries you using?
    Some DX items can be hit and miss regarding stock, I was lucky with those mounts as mine shipped straight away with my torch...
    off topic: how do I get to use an underlined word in my posts as a link to a website eg. Deal Extreme instead of putting in the whole url?
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    Quote Originally Posted by goatman
    off topic: how do I get to use an underlined word in my posts as a link to a website eg. Deal Extreme instead of putting in the whole url?
    Yep, that was one of my questions till not too long ago. This is done using HTML. If there is a short-cut to doing this I sure wish I knew how it could be done. Otherwise, you write it out using HTML. This link explains how to do it, in more ways than one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    Yep, that was one of my questions till not too long ago. This is done using HTML. If there is a short-cut to doing this I sure wish I knew how it could be done. Otherwise, you write it out using HTML. This link explains how to do it, in more ways than one.
    Thanks Cat-man-do!

    I was also hoping for a shortcut!

    A pic of modified bar mount using an additional screw here
    I just used glue instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goatman
    Thanks Cat-man-do!

    I was also hoping for a shortcut!

    Linky shortcut icon appears when you're writing a post.
    Select text then click it and add in your link URL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by znomit

    Linky shortcut icon appears when you're writing a post.
    Select text then click it and add in your link URL.
    +++

    so that's what that icon is for....thanks man I am finally enlightened....
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    Quote Originally Posted by goatman
    +++

    so that's what that icon is for....thanks man I am finally enlightened....
    Thanks znomit and thanks goatman for being brave enough to ask, I should of asked that question myself years ago. Since we're totally off subject
    I now know that I have the same icon on my Outlook Express. All this time and I never knew what it did...shhhhhhsh!

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    "thanks goatman for being brave enough to ask"
    My apologies for veering off topic.......

    To get back to business:

    Attached pic of MTE SF 15 and MTE SF 23.
    Respectively about 13.5mm and 15.4mm long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    In keeping with the original request: Since you already have a couple torches that use drop-ins, this is my suggestion. Buy a couple XP-G R-5 drop-ins. This is the one I use and suggest > http://www.kaidomain.com/ProductDeta...roductId=10064
    It is listed as 4.2volts max which is what you want if you are running single 18650's. It comes with a reflector that is a little too tight for MTB'in ( IMO ) BUT...if you exchange the reflector and use the one from your Q-5 XR-E drop-in, you will get a more usable beam pattern. The same applies if you wish to use it as a bar light.

    Personally I have a couple nice true MTB light sets but a lot of time I choose the lite-weight / convenience of torches. My favorite bar torch to date is this one > http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12060
    I use it with this torch holder > http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15342
    This P-7 torch is the best one I have. It works flawlessly,has a nice wide spill and lots of throw. Comes on in mid-mode, then low, then high, then the flash modes. There is no memory but this is a mixed blessing. All you have to do is turn it off and it comes back on in mid-mode so no need to cycle through the stupid flash modes. It will run for more than three hours in mid-mode which is a very usable setting. Even the low mode is only slightly dimmer than mid-mode and can be considered usable as well. With my sku12060 on the bars and my XP-G drop-in with XRE reflector on the helmet, I have no problem seeing anything. So far I'm doing my typical 2hr rides and still haven't yet needed to switch out a battery ( even though I always carry a spare just in case ) Anyway, out of the 8 or so torches I own these are the ones I use most.
    Sorry, Cat-man, can you detail the helmet setup you mentioned there "xp-g drop-in with XRE reflector" ... you lost me ... i'm a total noob regarding lights, but looking for a light weight, cheap helmet setup ( DX torch of some sort... ) thx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcpunk
    Sorry, Cat-man, can you detail the helmet setup you mentioned there "xp-g drop-in with XRE reflector" ... you lost me ... i'm a total noob regarding lights, but looking for a light weight, cheap helmet setup ( DX torch of some sort... ) thx.
    Step one: you need a P-60 drop-in torch host such as this. This particular torch host is the same one I use. It is relatively small and light-weight. This one comes with the Cree R-2 5-mode drop-in. The R-2 is an XR-E emitter so if you get this you will get the reflector as well. The reflectors unscrew very easily from the drop-in.

    Step 2: get the 5-mode XP-G R-5 drop-in from Kaidomain ( the one listed as 4.2volts ) as I suggested before.

    Step3: switch reflectors. The stock XP-G reflector is very narrow but has great throw, you might like this more. I like the XR-E reflector as it makes the beam a little more wider, more useful for MTB'in IMO. This of course compromises throw but it is a worthy trade off. When I use the XR-E reflector on the XP-G I don't tighten it down all the way. I leave it a couple threads up. You might have to experiment a bit to find your sweet spot.

    The only thing else you will need are batteries and a charger and the ability to mount it to your helmet of course. If you need suggestions for batteries and charger I can give you those as well.

    Note: I didn't see the XPG drop in listed on Kaidomain, unless they are talking about this.
    For some reason they are listing it as a lamp cap but it looks like the drop-in to me.
    Also note, I saw a good deal on a charger and two batteries on Kaidomain for about $20, not a bad deal.

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    thread summary ... debate the reponses ... maybe should have started a new thread...

    cat-man-do, wow and thanks for all the info.

    reviewed the thread - although the suggestions about how the OP might modify his light are relevant to him, for the rest of us (um...me?) looking for thoughts on the current choices on DX for torches.

    Here are the recommendations from the thread so far with prices and the marketing points for each from DX. Pros/Cons on each?!?

    Trust Fire 801 - $13.54
    - Features a Cree XR-E Q5 WC LED emitter
    - Powered by 1 x 18650 lithium battery (4.2V max)
    - 230 lumens max (manufacturer rated)
    - Single-mode clicky tailcap switch
    Weight: 2.43 oz

    Ultra Fire 501b - $16.15
    - Features a Cree XR-E R2-WC LED emitter
    - Powered by 1 x 18650 or 2 x 3.0V/3.6V CR123A batteries
    - 5-mode tailcap clicky switch with state memory: Hi > Mid > Lo > Strobe > SOS
    - Mode memory circuitry built-in -- returns the light to the previously used mode
    - 250 lumens maximum brightness (manufacturer rated)
    - 40 to 60 minutes estimated runtime per charge (manufacturer rated)
    Weight: 3.6 oz
    * additionally, Cat-man-do suggests replacing the reflector to get better flood.

    UltraFire WF-502B $18.59
    Emitter Brand/Type: Cree XPE-WCR5
    Battery Configurations: 1 x 18650 / 2 x 16340 rechargeable battery
    Mode Memory: Circuitry Features Mode Memory
    Mode Arrangement: Hi > Mid > Lo > Fast Strobe > Slow Strobe
    Brightness: 320 lumens maximum brightness (manufacturer rated)
    Runtime: 50 minutes (manufacturer rated)
    Weight: 4.13 oz (117 g)

    MTE SSC P7 5 mode - $28.04
    - Features a SSC P7 High Luminance LED Emitter
    - 900-Lumen maximum output (rated by MTE, printed on the body)
    - Powered by 1 x 3.7V 18650 rechargeable battery (not included)
    - 5-Mode tail-cap clicky switch with memory: Lo > Mid > Hi > Strobe > SOS
    Weight: 4.76 oz

    MTE SF-15 - $28.75 (very simlar to SF-23, but smaller
    Emitter: SSC P7 - D
    Battery Configurations: 1 x 18650 battery
    Mode Arrangement: Hi > Mid > Lo > Fast Strobe > SOS
    Brightness: 900 lumens maximum brightness (manufactuer rated)
    Runtime: Hi 2.5-hours; Lo 4-hours (manufactuer rated)
    Weight: 4.87 oz

    Aurora AK-P7-5 HA-III - $34.89
    - Features a Seoul Semiconductors SSC P7-C LED emitter
    - Powered by 1 x 18650 battery (4.2V max)
    - 5-mode tail cap clicky switch: Mid > Lo > Hi > Strobe > SOS
    - 900 lumens maximum brightness (manufacturer rated)
    - 30~60 estimated total runtime per charge (manufacturer rated)
    Weight: 5.22 oz

    and lastly,

    MX Power ML-900 - $43.85
    Emitter Brand/Type: Cree XR-E Emitter BIN: Q5-WC
    Total Emitters: 3
    Battery Configurations: 2 x 18650, or 4 x 3.0V/3.6V CR123A batteries
    Switch Type: Clicky (Clickie) Modes: 3
    Brightness: 400 lumens (manufacturer rated)
    Typical Battery Runtime: ~2 hours (manufacturer rated)
    Weight: 7.83 oz

    So what's the best deal/pros/cons when comparing price, battery configs, emitter, weight, run time and real world brightness between these torches?

    Really looking for a light cheap torch for the helmet to compliment something like a magic shine on the handle bars. ( I think that mirrors the OP's question - although he did already have some gear like batteries and possible hosts ...so trying to open it back up and debating the specific SKUs above ...maybe i should have started a new thread .. dunno )

    Wondering about thoughts like: you could buy 2 of the 13.95 TR801s, and spend less than some of the other options....and total weight (according to their specs, not sure if that's legit) would be just about the same, or only slightly more. But do the TR801s hold up in terms of brightness and other things?

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    slcpunk, I got one of the TR-801's last year because there was so much talk about them on here.
    Although it is a bright light, and small/lightweight enough to wear on a helemt, once I had it side by side with my MS (and especially now with my MTE SF-15), it's just not as impressive.
    Plus it has a very small hotspot, too tight of a spot for me.

    The MTE SF-15 has a floodier beam and lots of bright spill. But, I wouldn't want to wear a P7 on my helmet (there certainly are people that do though), I just think it's too big/heavy and is too noticable.

    I'd say run the MS on your helmet, stick a P7 on your bars and you're good to go.

    My TR-801 (as well as several zoom to throw torches) are loaners now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut
    slcpunk, I got one of the TR-801's last year because there was so much talk about them on here.
    Although it is a bright light, and small/lightweight enough to wear on a helemt, once I had it side by side with my MS (and especially now with my MTE SF-15), it's just not as impressive.
    Plus it has a very small hotspot, too tight of a spot for me.

    The MTE SF-15 has a floodier beam and lots of bright spill. But, I wouldn't want to wear a P7 on my helmet (there certainly are people that do though), I just think it's too big/heavy and is too noticable.

    I'd say run the MS on your helmet, stick a P7 on your bars and you're good to go.

    My TR-801 (as well as several zoom to throw torches) are loaners now.
    Great info - I have been using an old NiteRider HID on my helmet, and I thought that was too heavy...I just assumed the torches would be lighter than the MS, but I guess the P7s really aren't.

    oh, wow. i just went and weighed that NR lamp that I thought was so heavy ... its only 176g ... so those torches would really be much more. ( although partly its where the weight is, on the front, pushing my helmet down over my eyes ) hmm... have to think some more ... OH ... double DOH ... grams vs. Oz. I wasn't paying attention...so most of those torches WOULD be lighter than that NR HID.



    Don't forget about this boat anchor! Yikes, I rode with 2 of these, one on the bike and one in my pack...that's like 4 pounds!! Dark ages compared to new Lithium batteries...

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    i just got out on my new set up last night.

    i'm using this:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22567

    (the MTE SF-15) on the bars and...

    this:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12060

    (the MTE SSC P7) on the helmet.


    i really really like the SF-15. i was using it in mid-mode the whole time and thought it was plenty bright. to be honest, i would actually like to use it on the helmet as well. the P7 is real easy to fit on the head, and did not make my helmet slide all over and my head feel heavy. using the P7 is adequate in mid-mode for twisty higher speed flats and moderate speed downhills, but when you get moving on the downhills, i ended up putting it on high.

    i think this is a great set up, and would even go with two of the SF-15s, one on the head and one on the bars. the SF-15 has a nice color light and is plenty bright, and plenty of spill for use as a flood.

    as an FYI:
    i'm using these batteries:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26247

    and picked up this charger too:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6105

    my buddy had a magicshine and between the two of us we had plenty of light for high speed downhills. we were out for just over one hour and i noticed no dimming at all... i think that was because i was using mid-mode for 90% of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkenstein
    i just got out on my new set up last night.

    i'm using this:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22567

    (the MTE SF-15) on the bars and...

    this:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12060

    (the MTE SSC P7) on the helmet.


    i really really like the SF-15. i was using it in mid-mode the whole time and thought it was plenty bright. to be honest, i would actually like to use it on the helmet as well. the P7 is real easy to fit on the head, and did not make my helmet slide all over and my head feel heavy. using the P7 is adequate in mid-mode for twisty higher speed flats and moderate speed downhills, but when you get moving on the downhills, i ended up putting it on high.

    i think this is a great set up, and would even go with two of the SF-15s, one on the head and one on the bars. the SF-15 has a nice color light and is plenty bright, and plenty of spill for use as a flood.

    as an FYI:
    i'm using these batteries:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26247

    and picked up this charger too:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6105

    my buddy had a magicshine and between the two of us we had plenty of light for high speed downhills. we were out for just over one hour and i noticed no dimming at all... i think that was because i was using mid-mode for 90% of the time.
    awesome info. if you get more run time info, post it up, would be curious. Also, would you say the SF-15 is much heavier/bulkier than the P7 or are they about equal? ( the SF15 looks slightly bulkier )

    seems like a super good way to get in cheap...and even have some options down the road for modding/replacing pills/reflectors etc.

    Also, how much less bright was your setup compared to your buddy's MS? ( not really fair, 3 lights vs. 1 ... but ... nearly the same price )

    and finally, helmet mount, did you just make your own or use something from DX?

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    and finally, helmet mount, did you just make your own or use something from DX?

    There are two basic mounts that I have used for mounting the SF 15 and SF 23 to helmets (friend's helmets)
    Depending on the design of the helmet one of these two from DX should fit:
    this one or this one
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    slcpunk, I can tell you that when I click back and forth from my SF-15 torch and my MS900, I can barely see a difference in brightness.

    As far as size and weight between the two torches that clarkstein has, you can see the measurements and weights listed on their DX ads.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcpunk
    awesome info. if you get more run time info, post it up, would be curious. Also, would you say the SF-15 is much heavier/bulkier than the P7 or are they about equal? ( the SF15 looks slightly bulkier )

    seems like a super good way to get in cheap...and even have some options down the road for modding/replacing pills/reflectors etc.

    Also, how much less bright was your setup compared to your buddy's MS? ( not really fair, 3 lights vs. 1 ... but ... nearly the same price )

    and finally, helmet mount, did you just make your own or use something from DX?

    like fightnut said - all the exact weights/lengths are on the website. nothing is overly heavy or anything for me.

    so i took the set up out again last night. ran solid for just under an hour and half with no noticed dimming at all. i run everything generally on mid but cycle through to high mode for high speed downhills. i added a few extra miles this trip out and used high a bit more and didn't have to change batteries - so i'm pretty psyched about the time i get on mid. i even went to just using the bar light only on mid for slow steady climbs and that worked fine.

    there's little difference in weight/bulk of the lights. one is shorter than the other, and that's all i can really notice honestly.

    as far as the difference between my helmet light and the MS - on high, virtually none for riding purposes. they are both really bright. now that i used high more on this ride i'm real happy with the helmet light choice.

    as far as my mount goes - i did buy something for the helmet but it just didn't work out for my giro xen. i ended up taking a couple popsicle sticks, cutting them up, wrapping them in electrical tape, and using some wire cable ties to fasten everything together.

    i'll take some pics and post them up soon.
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    i got out to the car and took a picture of my helmet set up. it could be a pretty temporary set up, but it doesn't have an inkling of wiggle, so i may just leave it that way. i normally go to a skate style lid in the fall/winter, so this might just become my night riding helmet until the warmer temps come around again.


    i used the wrapped popsicle sticks to push the light up a bit so i don't have to keep my head in an awkward position to have it light up the right area, and it also gives the light a platform to sit on. the velcro holds the light in place, so i can take the light off in a second. if i were to ride around without the light, i would just look extra dorky with two black slats on my helmet and some cable tie loops stuck to it, but whatever.

    honestly, i think it'll probably end up being my permanent set up since i know i'll be too lazy to figure anything else out at this point since i have something set up that works.
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    and here it is is sans light. i should have used black cable ties, but i ran out. at least i didn't use blaze orange. or maybe i should have...
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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkenstein
    and here it is is sans light. i should have used black cable ties, but i ran out. at least i didn't use blaze orange. or maybe i should have...
    my favorite type of diy project ... popsicle sticks....sweet! low tech, but functional.

    thanks again for all the info.. (everyone)

    really starting to think this is the way to go ... sure I would love something like the amoeba..but for the price this type of setup is looking hard to beat. ( MS not withstanding...)

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    I gotta disagree with terratec on this one (with all due respect of course)
    But why would you spend $23-$26 for a 150-320 lumen light when you can get 600ish lumens from a $28 P7?

    Especially if they are similar size and weight anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fightnut
    I gotta disagree with terratec on this one (with all due respect of course)
    But why would you spend $23-$26 for a 150-320 lumen light when you can get 600ish lumens from a $28 P7?
    I agree with your disagreement.

    The extra output is very welcome.

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    I'm still learning myself. The P60 body torches seem more practical due to there easier upgradibility and better quality components. I am suggesting good alternatives if your fed up with the P7 with it's clunky head. The XP-G will be more efficient and should produce less heat, and you know it not all about lumens but the beam pattern/throw.

    You could use 2 low price XP-G each with different beam patterns and would be more effective.

    Why is it i read several reports it harder to distinguish between XP-G R5 and P7?

    You mean like this MCE?
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.36356

    They get hot.

    Look how nicer this torch is for $21
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.32749
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    MTE SSC P7 900-Lumen 5-Mode Super LED Flashlight (18650)
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12060

    This light is not much brighter than the extremely bright Ultrafire WF-502B Cree XPE-WCR5 320-Lumen 5-mode, SKU 35076, which sells for about $19 and has the additional option of two CR123a's instead of a single 18650. You can buy two of the Ultrafires for just a few bucks more than the price of one of these.

    If 1 or 2 Cree XPE or G 320-Lumen 5-mode won't be enough for you. Neither will 1 P7, MCE

    I just think 2 torches at $40 is better value than 1 torch at $30 for several reasons. Better beams, throw, safety, backup etc. All the 2x18650 P7 i have seen have been long.

    Am i talking rubbish?

    Bottomline: Nice light but since I have the SKYRAY S-R5 Cree XPG-R4 5-Mode 320-Lumen Memory LED Flashlight (SKU 32749) I like this SKYRAY better. The SKYRAY is also about half the price of this MTE.
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    t-tec, i'm not sure if i am following you 100%.

    but the light i think you were saying was nice...

    Look how nicer this torch is for $21
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.32749


    ... it looks like it has a very very tight beam and a pretty short run time with fewer lumens than the other options mentioned. i understand the need for throw (i guess it depends on where you ride) but i am finding plenty of throw with the set up i have now. i ride in relatively tight/twisty east coast style stuff tho, but even on the straight-shot downhills i feel i have plenty of throw with more lumesn, better run time, and only for a few dollars more.

    i agree with you about the 2 battery set ups - i don't think i would personally want a flashlight that long or heavy on the bars or my helmet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    Am i talking rubbish?
    Not at all, but it's a matter of opinions. I just happen to prefer a big honking light. It just works better for me.

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    I say, If you want big honking light then it is wiser to spend just alittle more($40-50) and get something more quality. Lots of lumens, whatever the model at the lowest prices means, they cut corners more on the rest of the flashlight somewhere and the light comes into whole question. eg. heat

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkenstein
    t-tec, i'm not sure if i am following you 100%.

    but the light i think you were saying was nice...

    Look how nicer this torch is for $21
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.32749


    ... it looks like it has a very very tight beam and a pretty short run time with fewer lumens than the other options mentioned. i understand the need for throw (i guess it depends on where you ride) but i am finding plenty of throw with the set up i have now. i ride in relatively tight/twisty east coast style stuff tho, but even on the straight-shot downhills i feel i have plenty of throw with more lumesn, better run time, and only for a few dollars more.

    i agree with you about the 2 battery set ups - i don't think i would personally want a flashlight that long or heavy on the bars or my helmet.
    It was just a example to make a point that total lumens aren't everything. Build quality and beam patterns are. There are other nice suitable torches around. Besides my requirements are different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic
    It's a matter of opinions.
    Sure, you like the improved P7, MTE MCE etc.

    Title of thread "What Deal Extreme Torches do you like?"

    and the list are the one's i like to get

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    Can anyone recommend a DE lamp that takes AA or AAA, not interested in the 18650 or CR battery models. Need a light that I can get batteries at any backcountry store. I would like a light with about 10-12 hour run time. Lumen output is not as critical as long run time is. Needs to be functional, so lumen output needs to be 50-100.

    Anybody have an recommendations while they were searching the DE website?

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    ...Well I might as well add my .02. On high the P-7 torch is gonna have the wider/brighter beam pattern but as terratec has alluded to, the XP-G has good or better throw depending on what reflector is being used. While I've never used a P-7 torch for helmet duties I suppose it could be done. I did use an MC-E torch for helmet duties for about a year. It supplied a very nice beam pattern on high and had lots of throw/spill. To achieve that throw though it had to use a 40mm reflector. This made the torch a tad heavy/clunky. When the XP-G torches came out I switched to one of those. In my case an Ultrafire WF-401B with XPG P-60 drop-in. I don't have a scale but the WF401B is a lot lighter/smaller than my Aurora MCE torch, not to mention more usable modes and better over-all run time. I lose a little throw with the XR-E reflector I use on my drop-in but this gives me a better beam pattern for helmet use. The Aurora did have better throw on high but until a better/more compact optic comes along to focus the the P-7/MCE led's I intend to continue using the XP-G for helmet duties. Besides, in my case I'm running more than enough light on the bars to compensate.

    FWIW...I just ordered another XP-G Ultrafire torch from D/'X. I thought I might try running two on the helmet. I figure for $18 it's worth a shot.

    Quote Originally Posted by urbanseeds
    Can anyone recommend a DE lamp that takes AA or AAA, not interested in the 18650 or CR battery models. Need a light that I can get batteries at any backcountry store. I would like a light with about 10-12 hour run time. Lumen output is not as critical as long run time is. Needs to be functional, so lumen output needs to be 50-100.

    Anybody have an recommendations while they were searching the DE website?
    Look this stuff over. You might get good use out of a Dinotte 200L that uses 4 x AA. Look around, you might find one used at a good price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    I say, If you want big honking light then it is wiser to spend just alittle more($40-50) and get something more quality. Lots of lumens, whatever the model at the lowest prices means, they cut corners more on the rest of the flashlight somewhere and the light comes into whole question. eg. heat
    I'm quite happy with my choice, thank you. Plus, I really don't care about heat all that much. Does the light work? Does it last long enough? Then I'm good.

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    Terratec, you say the P7's have a "clunky head" and they are all "too long"??

    Some of the lights you linked have larger heads and are longer then my P7 !

    And you keep talking about the "quality". Most of those lights on DX are in the same general league. It's not like you're comparing a $25 DX light against a $75 Fenix light.

    As far you the heat that you keep mentioning about the P7's, are you carrying it in your hand while riding???

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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    Bottomline: Nice light but since I have the SKYRAY S-R5 Cree XPG-R4 5-Mode 320-Lumen Memory LED Flashlight (SKU 32749) I like this SKYRAY better. The SKYRAY is also about half the price of this MTE.
    more like 3/4 of the price, not half, (or $6.90, $28 vs. $21). the light you're talking about has a better price, but virtually the same weight, same length, and somewhere in the range of around 40-50% fewer lumens, which i think counts at high speeds. its a difference between knowing what is ahead of you versus seeing something and still trying to make it out when you are right on it.

    what do you think of sku 35076 or 15335 as alternatives? even better savings, and virtually the same lm output as that skyray. but having experienced the higher mode output versus the output i get on mid mode, i wouldn't want my mid mode to be the peak light output for me, especially over less than a 10 spot.

    i guess if someone was using this thread as a reference, i just feel like i wouldn't steer them in those lower lumen output lights for a few dollars saved, unless their budget was stupid tight.
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    I will digress. I agree with all your points . They all suffer heat issues to a degree.

    Most MTB'ers' are using 2 lights anyways. I don't need 1200 lumens.

    It was my personal choice for me. I just think it smarter to use the more efficient LED's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    I will digress. I agree with all your points .

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    totally what i was going for
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    Peace offerings.

    A MCE (BIN M) Ultrafire 501b body for 20
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.d...359~r.72863811

    A MCE (BIN K) 502b body $22
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39736

    and a compromise

    Use 2 lights. P7 for lots of flood with a XP-G for lots of throw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    Peace offerings.

    A MCE (BIN M) Ultrafire 501b body for 20
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.d...359~r.72863811

    A MCE (BIN K) 502b body $22
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39736

    and a compromise

    Use 2 lights. P7 for lots of flood with a XP-G for lots of throw.

    nice claimed run times - and very nice weights. good finds there! i might pick one of these up for test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    Peace offerings.

    A MCE (BIN M) Ultrafire 501b body for 20
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.d...359~r.72863811

    A MCE (BIN K) 502b body $22
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39736

    and a compromise

    Use 2 lights. P7 for lots of flood with a XP-G for lots of throw.
    There is also a P-7 drop-in as well. The MC-E K-bin drop-in didn't get real good reviews. The MC-E M-bin drop-in is getting mixed reviews. Basically if you get an MC-E in a drop-in I don't think the beam pattern is going to be as nice as what you get in a standard torch that uses a screw-in pill. Smaller reflectors work better with smaller emitters. Drop-ins are also not as good as a standard torch because the standard torch ( with pill ) can transfer the heat better to the outside of the torch. This is real important in applications where the drive current exceeds 1 amp as is the case with the MCE, P-7..etc. Anyway, there was a lot of disagreement among the reviewers as to what the max current value actually was when using the MC-E drop-in. *Another factor to consider with drop-ins is that sometimes you don't get good electrical contact with the drop-in. This can lessen current to the LED making it not as bright as it should be. ( * this is sometimes also true of standard torches as well ) ( * note: I take my P-60 host apart all the time to make sure that all electrical contacts are as clean and tight as they can be. Believe me, it makes a big difference )

    Now with all this said, I do own a very nice SST-50 drop-in that works very well with my Ultrafire P-60 host. ( WF-401B ) It provides a very nice/bright beam somewhere in the 500-550 lumen range. Runtimes were very similar to what you get with P-7's and MC-E's.
    Until I got my XP-G drop-in I was using the SST-50 for helmet duties but DANG It!, the XP-G beats it for throw. The sad part was that the SST-50 drop-in was about $45 when I bought it. Now they are even more.

    Once again, bottom line: It isn't always how much light an emitter can produce that makes it useful. It is how much light is produced coupled with what can be done with that light using the available optic/reflectors for said emitter. Right now, XP-G seems to win this contest because of better available optics/reflectors. This is why 2 x XP-G can beat the pants off a single MC-E drop-in. At least IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    Peace offerings.

    A MCE (BIN M) Ultrafire 501b body for 20
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.d...359~r.72863811

    A MCE (BIN K) 502b body $22
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39736
    Got the MCE M bins for 3 months now. Works great. Just ordered another one a week ago.

    Switch the reflector with a smooth one, the stock reflector is floody.

    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5937

    Also, make sure you use aluminum pop can shims for heatsinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbubbles
    Got the MCE M bins for 3 months now. Works great. Just ordered another one a week ago.

    Switch the reflector with a smooth one, the stock reflector is floody.

    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5937

    Also, make sure you use aluminum pop can shims for heatsinking.
    You would think that someone would have made a made-to-order after-market shim for P-60's by now!. Still, I might have to give your idea a try. Some have used rolled Aluminum foil but I think bent ( wedge/ spring-like ) shims would transfer heat better. The hard part is getting them to make good contact on both sides to get decent heat transference. Messing with home made shims would be a PITA though.

    On the up side my D/X order is on the way. It should be here in about 12 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    You would think that someone would have made a made-to-order after-market shim for P-60's by now!. Still, I might have to give your idea a try. Some have used rolled Aluminum foil but I think bent ( wedge/ spring-like ) shims would transfer heat better. The hard part is getting them to make good contact on both sides to get decent heat transference. Messing with home made shims would be a PITA though.

    On the up side my D/X order is on the way. It should be here in about 12 days.
    $20 for a MC-E M Bin flashlight, made-to-order shims are silly, aluminum from pop cans are easy. Shove enough aluminum pop can strips in there, it's pretty much a wedge/spring-like. It's a better shim than the aluminum foil imo.

    Other than that, I love the flashlight, it's great. Lighter, brighter, cheaper, and smaller than my P7. What's not to like? Having two or three wouldn't hurt, they're so cheap.

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    I just ordered the MCE Bin M 501b as well. I'll be interested to see how it works out and if it needs the shims. I plan on using it as a second/backup light for trail riding and for commuting during the winter.

    A MCE (BIN M) Ultrafire 501b body for 20
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbubbles
    $20 for a MC-E M Bin flashlight, made-to-order shims are silly, aluminum from pop cans are easy. Shove enough aluminum pop can strips in there, it's pretty much a wedge/spring-like. It's a better shim than the aluminum foil imo.

    Other than that, I love the flashlight, it's great. Lighter, brighter, cheaper, and smaller than my P7. What's not to like? Having two or three wouldn't hurt, they're so cheap.
    Well I tried a couple pieces of strip aluminum and was having a bit of a problem. After two unsuccessful tries the larger spring came off the drop-in. I slid it back on but now it rattles a little. At first I thought it was the shims that rattled but after I took them out it still rattled. Not to mention every time I take the module out I have to check the adjustment on the reflector ( as I have mine dialed in so to speak ). Wish I had a little thermal grease to help keep the shims in place ( as well as the spring ). I might have to check out the local Radio shack to see what they have available. I just really wonder though if it really is going to make a difference.

    Heck, I thought the custom machined shim idea was a good idea. Ah, just had a brain storm. I think I'll use my old R2 drop-in to to help get the fit right. No sense in taking a chance with XP-G anymore until I get it right. Just wish I did this before the Spring came off the XPG. A minor issue perhaps but I hate annoying little noises. I got to stop that rattle. ( edit: hummm....maybe I'll try taking the spring off and see if it stops rattling )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    There is also a P-7 drop-in as well. The MC-E K-bin drop-in didn't get real good reviews. The MC-E M-bin drop-in is getting mixed reviews. Basically if you get an MC-E in a drop-in I don't think the beam pattern is going to be as nice as what you get in a standard torch that uses a screw-in pill. Smaller reflectors work better with smaller emitters. Drop-ins are also not as good as a standard torch because the standard torch ( with pill ) can transfer the heat better to the outside of the torch. This is real important in applications where the drive current exceeds 1 amp as is the case with the MCE, P-7..etc. Anyway, there was a lot of disagreement among the reviewers as to what the max current value actually was when using the MC-E drop-in. *Another factor to consider with drop-ins is that sometimes you don't get good electrical contact with the drop-in. This can lessen current to the LED making it not as bright as it should be. ( * this is sometimes also true of standard torches as well ) ( * note: I take my P-60 host apart all the time to make sure that all electrical contacts are as clean and tight as they can be. Believe me, it makes a big difference )

    Now with all this said, I do own a very nice SST-50 drop-in that works very well with my Ultrafire P-60 host. ( WF-401B ) It provides a very nice/bright beam somewhere in the 500-550 lumen range. Runtimes were very similar to what you get with P-7's and MC-E's.
    Until I got my XP-G drop-in I was using the SST-50 for helmet duties but DANG It!, the XP-G beats it for throw. The sad part was that the SST-50 drop-in was about $45 when I bought it. Now they are even more.

    Once again, bottom line: It isn't always how much light an emitter can produce that makes it useful. It is how much light is produced coupled with what can be done with that light using the available optic/reflectors for said emitter. Right now, XP-G seems to win this contest because of better available optics/reflectors. This is why 2 x XP-G can beat the pants off a single MC-E drop-in. At least IMO.
    Not looked at P7 drop-in as the MCE appears to be the brightest.

    Correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i heard, I am surprised you recommend a SST-50 in a P60 body due to high amps, excessive heat. Very low runtime for 1x18650. I considered the MCE would be at the limit and make a very good drop-in with some practical runtime(1x18650 90 mins). If you mean, running a battery pack, then less of an issue.

    If you can afford it for a better investment($35). I consider for nearer to genuine 500 higher value lumens, maximum runtime with low heat using 1x18650 etc. The Thrunite XP-G P60 drop-in does 493 lumens!(higher than SST-50 possibly?) at 1.5A(low heat). http://www.thrunite.com/productsweb/...20Drop-in.html (MCE is around 2 i believe). It appears some P7's only give out 400 genuine lumens. This would well explain why XP-G looks nearly as bright.

    I think a good value setup for 1 or 2x18650(my requirements-no helmet or battery pack) would be get 2x SolarForce L2 or L2M bodys(good quality body), alot cheaper than the torches complete with extension tube for option to run 2x18650 with the XP-G MCE drop-in. There appears to be better drop-in's than the DX one.
    This is probably old news to the experienced here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbubbles
    Got the MCE M bins for 3 months now. Works great. Just ordered another one a week ago.

    Switch the reflector with a smooth one, the stock reflector is floody.

    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5937

    Also, make sure you use aluminum pop can shims for heatsinking.
    One review said it brighter than a P7. ?

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    So, I'm curious where do you put the aluminum shims in for heat transfer on the MCE M Bin?
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    Wrap the reflector module (silver on the left) with shims then insert it from the top. Close it with the lens cap on the far right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    Not looked at P7 drop-in as the MCE appears to be the brightest.

    Correct me if i'm wrong, but from what i heard, I am surprised you recommend a SST-50 in a P60 body due to high amps, excessive heat. Very low runtime for 1x18650. I considered the MCE would be at the limit and make a very good drop-in with some practical runtime(1x18650 90 mins). If you mean, running a battery pack, then less of an issue.

    If you can afford it for a better investment($35). I consider for nearer to genuine 500 higher value lumens, maximum runtime with low heat using 1x18650 etc. The Thrunite XP-G P60 drop-in does 493 lumens!(higher than SST-50 possibly?) at 1.5A(low heat). http://www.thrunite.com/productsweb/...20Drop-in.html (MCE is around 2 i believe). It appears some P7's only give out 400 genuine lumens. This would well explain why XP-G looks nearly as bright.

    I think a good value setup for 1 or 2x18650(my requirements-no helmet or battery pack) would be get 2x SolarForce L2 or L2M bodys(good quality body), alot cheaper than the torches complete with extension tube for option to run 2x18650 with the XP-G MCE drop-in. There appears to be better drop-in's than the DX one.
    This is probably old news to the experienced here.
    Actually, the SST-50 is suppose to reach the 600L around 1.75A mark. It is also a single die vs. the MC-E with is multi-die. Not a big deal if you want a flood beam but the SST-50 will not not have die lines in the beam pattern if you can find a reflector big enough. I have a old Aurora MC-E torch that I've thought of fitting with a SST-50. The thing that stopped me was the fact that the torch doesn't come apart so I can gain access to the pill. The SST-50 ( and 90 ) are both designed to handle high levels of current ( up to 5A I believe for SST-50 ). Regardless, if you run either the SST-50 or the MCE around 2.5A you will get a similar output. Once again optics and heat sinking come into play but a 50 should be better at handling heat.

    Very interesting that XP-G drop-in at 1.5A. However the link is just an ad link...no sales. I did a brief look-around on the web. The only one I found that sold it was this place. Sold out unfortunately. If you know a place that actually has the item that would be nice. I'm not sure though how well it would work in my torch host @ 1.5A. The one I have gets real hot if left on and I'm not moving. Still, if I find one it will most likely be on my upcoming Santa list. Anyway, FWIW the ones I use are from Kaidomain.

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    here you can find some high quality custom made 1.4/1.5A P60 dropins...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkenstein
    i just got out on my new set up last night.

    i'm using this:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22567

    (the MTE SF-15) on the bars and...

    this:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12060

    (the MTE SSC P7) on the helmet.


    i really really like the SF-15. i was using it in mid-mode the whole time and thought it was plenty bright. to be honest, i would actually like to use it on the helmet as well. the P7 is real easy to fit on the head, and did not make my helmet slide all over and my head feel heavy. using the P7 is adequate in mid-mode for twisty higher speed flats and moderate speed downhills, but when you get moving on the downhills, i ended up putting it on high.

    i think this is a great set up, and would even go with two of the SF-15s, one on the head and one on the bars. the SF-15 has a nice color light and is plenty bright, and plenty of spill for use as a flood.

    as an FYI:
    i'm using these batteries:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26247

    and picked up this charger too:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6105

    my buddy had a magicshine and between the two of us we had plenty of light for high speed downhills. we were out for just over one hour and i noticed no dimming at all... i think that was because i was using mid-mode for 90% of the time.
    I stole your idea and ordered a sf-15 light, batteries and charger that you linked. I am not going to use it on the bike actually as I already have that more than covered, but I need a decent flashlight. I only have a Coleman 115 lumen 2 aa flashlight right now and it doesn't even give dimming options. I am in desperate need of a halfway decent flashlight. This seems like a good start. I can strap my 1750 lumen Lupine Betty to the headband and use that, but it is not as convenient as just grabbing a flashlight by the door and going outside or bringing with me in the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximusHQ
    I stole your idea and ordered a sf-15 light, batteries and charger that you linked. I am not going to use it on the bike actually as I already have that more than covered, but I need a decent flashlight. I only have a Coleman 115 lumen 2 aa flashlight right now and it doesn't even give dimming options. I am in desperate need of a halfway decent flashlight. This seems like a good start. I can strap my 1750 lumen Lupine Betty to the headband and use that, but it is not as convenient as just grabbing a flashlight by the door and going outside or bringing with me in the car.
    Max, Once you get this torch you're going to be kicking yourself in the butt for not ordering a bar mount at the same time. Yeah, I know...you've got the nice Super-duper Lupines for Super night time bike riding. That's all good, I've got some nice lights too BUT...You're going to have days when all you really want is a normal day ride. Nevertheless on some of those days ( when the days start getting shorter ) you might end up running a little late getting back or perhaps a mechanical problem or flat has you racing the sun. Most really powerful light systems use a good size battery and do weigh a bit not to mention take up some room in your bag ( that is unless you ride in the day with your lights already mounted ). You would hate to have to carry all of your good stuff ( Lupines in this case ) and then end up not needing them. Well, perhaps that doesn't bother you but if it does....It is so easy to throw a light-weight torch in the ol' bike bag for those, "Just in case moments". Since I am a dedicated "Night person" most of my rides aren't going to start until the afternoon. If I think I might get back just as it starts getting dark, I'll usually throw a couple torches in the bag ( for J-I-Case ) and I know I'm good. For me the good lights are reserved for those "In the dark 2hrs+" rides. ( *Note: the only exception to that rule would be if I was riding some really knarly stuff that included some really technical H-speed downhills. Only then would I bring out the good stuff for a planned late/ day ride. )

    Quote Originally Posted by Whitedog1
    here you can find some high quality custom made 1.4/1.5A P60 dropins...

    Nailbender & Anto
    Yep, some of that Nailbender stuff looks nice. I think the 1.5A ones though are using drivers with a higher maximum input voltage. The 1.4A ones are a little lower @ 6 volts but I'd rather use one designed to work with the standard 4.2 volts max provided by most 18650 cells. I'm not saying the others wouldn't work but the efficiency would likely drop once the cell gets below 4 volts.

    Wow, NBender is making a duel XPG drop-in...very cool. Has a donut hole in the beam but damn I bet that thing is bright. ( ea. at ~ 1.2A ... )

    I don't really hang out much over on CPF because there is just SO MUCH STUFF!
    Umm....it seems the Gurus over there are "Potting" the drop-ins using copper tape and thermal epoxy". This is something I just have to find out more about. This would really give you "Great" heat sinking, especially if you are using a drop-in that produces a lot of heat. Thumbsup Whitedog for that link.
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    Did a late evening into night ride yesterday and used a universal rubber mount + SF 15 flashlight on my riding buddy's helmet (she doesn't have a light), it worked fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    Max, Once you get this torch you're going to be kicking yourself in the butt for not ordering a bar mount at the same time. Yeah, I know...you've got the nice Super-duper Lupines for Super night time bike riding. That's all good, I've got some nice lights too BUT...You're going to have days when all you really want is a normal day ride. Nevertheless on some of those days ( when the days start getting shorter ) you might end up running a little late getting back or perhaps a mechanical problem or flat has you racing the sun. Most really powerful light systems use a good size battery and do weigh a bit not to mention take up some room in your bag ( that is unless you ride in the day with your lights already mounted ). You would hate to have to carry all of your good stuff ( Lupines in this case ) and then end up not needing them. Well, perhaps that doesn't bother you but if it does....It is so easy to throw a light-weight torch in the ol' bike bag for those, "Just in case moments". Since I am a dedicated "Night person" most of my rides aren't going to start until the afternoon. If I think I might get back just as it starts getting dark, I'll usually throw a couple torches in the bag ( for J-I-Case ) and I know I'm good. For me the good lights are reserved for those "In the dark 2hrs+" rides. ( *Note: the only exception to that rule would be if I was riding some really knarly stuff that included some really technical H-speed downhills. Only then would I bring out the good stuff for a planned late/ day ride. )
    Yup that is a good point. I don't like to haul my Lupines around with me all the time and I should have ordered a bar mount for the flashlight too. Well when the light arrives and I decide I like it I might have to place another order for the bar mount and I might have to get another flashlight too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoHeadsBrewing
    So, I'm curious where do you put the aluminum shims in for heat transfer on the MCE M Bin?
    Okay I found this over on CPF. Scroll down a bit and they describe how to "Shim and Pot" a P-60 drop-in.
    You can use home-made shims but I think I'll go the brass tape route. The directions are spot on. Now I just have to find the brass tape. More than likely Radio shack should have this but if not I can always order it over the web.

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    I use sliced up cans of pop wrapped around, sand off the paint and stuff first though before you cut the can up.

    Got 3 of those cheap Flood to Zoom torches on order hoping for a Sylvia L1 style output so a perfect spot with zero spill and adjustable spot size, but we shall see, looks like they'll throw though and be useful for night time paint balling if so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whitedog1
    here you can find some high quality custom made 1.4/1.5A P60 dropins...

    Nailbender & Anto
    Looks like I'm quoting you again..

    I just did the same test tail-cap test that Anto did but on the Kaidomain 5-mode XP-G R5 that I already own. On full charge, 1.29A, not bad for a little $13 drop-in. I guess that helps explain why I love my little XPG drop-in so much. Output should be very close to 400 lumen. Once I get the module shimmed and potted, hopefully the output will be more consistent. Right now if I run it for more than a couple minutes I can tell the output is dropping, no doubt from the excess heat.

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    I've got a XP-G only rate them bar mounted though there to floody for head useage, I've got a 2nd 1 on order though to replace my ageing and raplidly loosing power P60 MC-E drop in.

    Still no joy delivery wise on those Flood to Zoom cheap torches hopefully I'll have them in time for next summer

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    I still not convinced about SST-50 in a P60. On high power it soon switch down to a lower light level once the heat takes hold. Might as well run the MCE i say

    eg.

    MTE SSC P7___________,__1-IMR 18650,_____________________478.5__,___3 sec_______,
    MTE SSC P7___________,__1-IMR 18650,_____________________416.8__,__30 sec_______,
    MTE SSC P7___________,__1-IMR 18650,_____________________471.0__,__60 sec_______,
    MTE SSC P7___________,__1-IMR 18650,_____________________467.3__,_120 sec_______,
    MTE SSC P7___________,__1-IMR 18650,_____________________422.4__,_180 sec_______,
    MTE SSC P7___________,__1-IMR 18650,_____________________390.7__,_240 sec_______,.

    Single mode drop-ins can be brighter than multi mode types but If you want to run with more than 1 battery then check the maximum voltage is high enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    Very interesting that XP-G drop-in at 1.5A. However the link is just an ad link...no sales. I did a brief look-around on the web. The only one I found that sold it was this place. Sold out unfortunately. If you know a place that actually has the item that would be nice. I'm not sure though how well it would work in my torch host @ 1.5A. The one I have gets real hot if left on and I'm not moving. Still, if I find one it will most likely be on my upcoming Santa list. Anyway, FWIW the ones I use are from Kaidomain.
    http://www.illuminationgear.com/145071.html

    http://www.dereelight.com/module-list.htm is another recommended for decent P60 drop-ins. They also do the smooth reflectors.

    http://www.sbflashlights.com/Thrunit...ropin-p66.html

    http://flashlightconnection.com

    http://www.batteryjunction.com/p60-dropin.html
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    the http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22569 which appears to come with the same driver as sku.22569, has been returned to DX and swapped against sku.19767, because of the crappy driver in 22567. I ordered sku.22567 before mostly because it (says that it) comes with a D-bin P7, but it only took about 2 to 3 hours for the driver to blow out. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.19767 should be immune against such failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    I still not convinced about SST-50 in a P60. On high power it soon switch down to a lower light level once the heat takes hold. Might as well run the MCE i say....

    ....Single mode drop-ins can be brighter than multi mode types but If you want to run with more than 1 battery then check the maximum voltage is high enough.



    http://www.illuminationgear.com/145071.html

    http://www.dereelight.com/module-list.htm is another recommended for decent P60 drop-ins. They also do the smooth reflectors.

    http://www.sbflashlights.com/Thrunit...ropin-p66.html

    http://flashlightconnection.com

    http://www.batteryjunction.com/p60-dropin.html
    I'm not trying to defend the SST-50 but take a look at the data sheet. At 4A you can get 1200 Lumens out of the best bin. As long as you can sink the heat it should work fine. I should also note that some real high dollar torches are using the SST-50 & 90. Most of those though would be unsuitable for MTB use as they are quite big ( large reflector/heat sink and long 2-cell battery tube.) ...but back to the SST-50 drop-in: The one I have I am using in an older Ultrafire host WF-401B. I had a feeling that it was not working properly so I ran a ( at the switch ) current test. Damn! It was only drawing 970ma on high. Output wasn't bad though, likely around 500L. Anywho, I decided to try the drop-in in my newer WF-401B...Goodness! Output is much better! This time it is drawing 1.5A at the end cap. I hate to say this but it is still under-powered! Still, the output looks more like 600L and is very Cree-like in tint, somewhat neutral white with a medium width beam. If I get a chance tonight I'll try a run time test in the newer host. Can't wait to try this on the helmet again. No wonder the XP-G looked like it was blowing it's doors off. Since this drop-in is being under-driven so to speak I really don't think heat ( lumen ) loss is going to be a big issue. Push-come-to-shove, the MC-E drop-in looks to be the better deal at half price ( as long as there are no artifacts in the beam ) and the output is in the 600L range. Which will run longer?...Uh...I don't own a MCE drop-in so I can't tell Ya.

    Now about those XP-G drop-in links... The ThruNite looks to be the best bet deal...1.5A @ 4.2 volt max input. Just keep in mind the more heat sinking you have the brighter it will be for longer periods. Be careful what you buy. If you buy one rated 7.2 to 12 volt max, you need to understand that this will not work as well in a torch designed to run with one 18650.

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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanseeds
    Can anyone recommend a DE lamp that takes AA or AAA, not interested in the 18650 or CR battery models. Need a light that I can get batteries at any backcountry store. I would like a light with about 10-12 hour run time. Lumen output is not as critical as long run time is. Needs to be functional, so lumen output needs to be 50-100.

    Anybody have an recommendations while they were searching the DE website?
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.28546
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10727
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.18305
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.44620
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22930

    These X2000 lights are variable flood/throw.
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.13732

    Not DE but
    http://www.lightake.com/detail.do/sk...t_Black_-29416
    http://www.kaidomain.com/ProductDeta...ProductId=9567

    Alternatively get a cheap Solarforce AAA or AA body(L2r L2i models) and add the P60 drop in.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/Solarforce-L2r-G...59396600129327
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    Thanks Terratec, I've got 3 Zooming Flashlights on order from DX with no sign of delivery so ordered your 1 from Kaidomain, see if there any quicker I guess, a large spot of light with no waste going to spill sounds ideal for head useage.

    Especially if you can tune how big you want the spot to suite then likely Glue it to stop it changing mid ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    My favorite bar torch to date is this one > http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12060
    I use it with this torch holder > http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15342
    This P-7 torch is the best one I have. It works flawlessly,has a nice wide spill and lots of throw.
    I now have the sku.12060. It BRIGHT but for me there's way too much spill from the flood that could be more useable. Due to the big flood it looks brighter at close range, making my old MTE look dull. I can see 2 of these being good but would like more throw.

    I will keep it and try one of these with it.
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33549
    (I'm sure 2 of these would do very nice for the road.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    Most of those though would be unsuitable for MTB use as they are quite big ( large reflector/heat sink and long 2-cell battery tube.
    I thought a large reflector is what gives a good flood. They are in the powerful HID lights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    Now about those XP-G drop-in links... The ThruNite looks to be the best bet deal...1.5A @ 4.2 volt max input. Just keep in mind the more heat sinking you have the brighter it will be for longer periods. Be careful what you buy. If you buy one rated 7.2 to 12 volt max, you need to understand that this will not work as well in a torch designed to run with one 18650.
    That's why i go with the 3.7-8.4v, enough for 2x18650.

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    Larger reflector focuses more of the light into a tighter spot if the reflector is good and fitted correctly.

    How do you fit 2x's 18650 into your torch ?? I find the output of anything rated over 4.2V area weak unless your running CR123a's then the run time is feeble so I only buy 18650 only torches.

    2 x 18650's would help with P7's and the like as you could draw the full on 2.8Ah draw from 2, where are you limited to 1.6Ah - 1.8Ah after a few mins with 1 cell.

    Tempted by 1 of these babys :-

    http://www.bestofferbuy.com/aurora-s...0-p-53485.html

    You can remove the filter on the LED for a tighter spot could make for a great head torch, I'll wait and see how the Convex lenses work first though.

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    Back on the thread topic .

    From looking at the beam patterns on http://fonarevka.ru/ It would seem UltraFire WF-1000L http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.18475 would make a bright awesome flood/throw combination just on it's own. Excellent runtime, but a strong contender to convert to a head unit.

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    Shame it's the lower powered K Bin and limted to 1800ma's which is what a single 18650 does anyway they could of ran that ( likely heat issues stopping them ) at the full 2.8Ah, but the main issue is it's heavy and most of the weight is in the front so on your bars it'll keep rotating forwards and way to heavy for head useage, you could run 2 regular P7/MC-E's on your head for the same weight.

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    More often than not, i want my lights to run bright, longer than an hour, so I have now weighed up that it's not worth considering alot of the cheap MCE P7 type torches that run at the higher amps. That is why it's another vote for the SF-13 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.22567 that runs at 2.2A. Going on the principle it dims from battery life more before it dims from heat. It has a better beam pattern than 12060 which happens to be one of the floodiest.

    So i am back at the start again. On the basis of getting decent brightness/value. A SF-13 and good XP-G R5 should make the ideal accompaniment for a nice combination of flood/beam. The SF-13 will fade before the XP-G but the XP-G is there to provide the longer run time.

    Possibly and/or add in a combination of cheap X2000 flood to throw types as extra backup for more flood/throw or just get another XP-G R5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkenstein
    nice claimed run times - and very nice weights. good finds there! i might pick one of these up for test.
    Estimated initial lumens is 580. At that price it's a hard argument for the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    I'm not trying to defend the SST-50 but take a look at the data sheet. At 4A you can get 1200 Lumens out of the best bin. As long as you can sink the heat it should work fine. I should also note that some real high dollar torches are using the SST-50 & 90. Most of those though would be unsuitable for MTB use as they are quite big ( large reflector/heat sink and long 2-cell battery tube.) ...but back to the SST-50 drop-in: The one I have I am using in an older Ultrafire host WF-401B. I had a feeling that it was not working properly so I ran a ( at the switch ) current test. Damn! It was only drawing 970ma on high. Output wasn't bad though, likely around 500L. Anywho, I decided to try the drop-in in my newer WF-401B...Goodness! Output is much better! This time it is drawing 1.5A at the end cap. I hate to say this but it is still under-powered! Still, the output looks more like 600L and is very Cree-like in tint, somewhat neutral white with a medium width beam. If I get a chance tonight I'll try a run time test in the newer host. Can't wait to try this on the helmet again. No wonder the XP-G looked like it was blowing it's doors off. Since this drop-in is being under-driven so to speak I really don't think heat ( lumen ) loss is going to be a big issue. Push-come-to-shove, the MC-E drop-in looks to be the better deal at half price ( as long as there are no artifacts in the beam ) and the output is in the 600L range. Which will run longer?...Uh...I don't own a MCE drop-in so I can't tell Ya.
    I hear what your saying. Alot more potential if you heatsink it good. 1 die and better beam quality. If you can justify the extra expense over the others then worth it. Personally i don't need that much light at the cost of less runtime, XP-G should suffice. I think for those who can make there own heatsinks then good for on a budget. What you think to this budget SST-50? http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33615
    I think the Solarforce L2X(regular size) would make a awesome body for the SST50 or any other drop-in. The design is meant to allow better heat dissipation.

    At what length do bar torches become too long to be completely unacceptable? I see some 2x18650 just a couple of inches longer. This is why i still interested in the Solarforce body idea with the extension tube including the plus factor of all the addons.
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    The SST-50 looks good to me, if not for a total of 4 zooming torches on order ( could cancel ) for ages I'd be ordering myself 1 of them, the weight would just about be acceptable on it's own on my head.

    XP-G's are a bit floody better for Bar useage, better off with a XP-E R2 on your head.

    I'm hoping the floods will make the perfect head mounted torches, with 2 on my helmet, if not Xmas presents for a few mates

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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    I hear what your saying. Alot more potential if you heatsink it good. 1 die and better beam quality. If you can justify the extra expense over the others then worth it. Personally i don't need that much light at the cost of less runtime, XP-G should suffice. I think for those who can make there own heatsinks then good for on a budget. What you think to this budget SST-50? http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.33615
    I think the Solarforce L2X(regular size) would make a awesome body for the SST50 or any other drop-in. The design is meant to allow better heat dissipation.


    At what length do bar torches become too long to be completely unacceptable? I see some 2x18650 just a couple of inches longer. This is why i still interested in the Solarforce body idea with the extension tube including the plus factor of all the addons.
    The 33615 you linked to looks like a nice torch. Since it is an Aurora torch I have no doubt that it is well designed to sink the heat. The reviews sound good as well. I would love to know how well this torch compares to the SF-15. Unfortunately it is quite a bit more money than than any of the P-7 torches. Hopefully someone else on forum will buy one and be able to compare it to the P-7 torches...I hope.

    Like you I have considered a better quality drop-in host. The Solarforce looks nice and is not too expensive, and yes it does offer a extension tube. Personally, I'm not interested in an extension tube because any drop-in I buy will be setup to work only on 4.2 volts. I don't think having too long a torch on the bars is a good thing. The extra length would make them more heavy and more cumbersome. Not to mention more prone to shaking. At some point I will try another drop-in host but for the time being the Ultrafire WF-401B sits perfectly on my helmet without any adaption needed at all and it's cheap. Since emitters are being used now that heat up a good bit I'm really hoping someone will design a host that is better adapted ( with out having to use shims ) for heat sinking purposes.

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    I had been looking for beam shot comparisons of the many P7 torches but could not.

    So I went ahead and ordered 3 three P7s that seemed to look good to me. I have not seen 1 suggestion for the SpiderFire so I hope it is OK. Since I needed to outfit my brother and I with back up lights and hope to have a "lender".

    Here the 3 that I ordered and hope to get some compare photos of:

    MTE SSC P7 (sku.12623)
    SpiderFire SSC P7 (sku.19767)
    MTE SF-15 SSC (sku.22567)


    Has anyone else done a side by side compare of these products?
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    I've got the SF15, very white output and very bright the brighest of the ones I've got, prefer it for bar mounted use but it's better than most on your head to.

    I had the 12623 to, the plastic reflector got heat damaged and lowered it's output drastically, so I've avoid that 1 personally.

    Yep I've had a lot of torches!!

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    I just ordered an SF15 to test for purposes of night riding evangelism for my friends. I want to try it on its own on the xc trails around here before I recommend it. I think $50 a kit shouldn't be too hard for my riding buddies to swallow so they can keep riding with me on weeknights

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    My D/X order arrived a week early...Woo Hoo!

    Three new torches....SF-15, WF-401B with XP-E drop-in and a cheap 9-led.

    My first impressions of the SF-15. Very bright torch, brighter than any of my other torches. I am though a little disappointed. I was expecting this torch to have a more narrow beam but such in not the case. In fact is it more a flood than any of my other torches. Regardless this will make it very impressive and useful as a bar mounted torch. The spill is much wider than my others and much brighter. I think most people will love the beam pattern. It still has decent throw and is a whiter beam. I think on high it might be close to 650-700L. The mid-level is impressive as well and looks to be around 250-300L, a very useful mid-level.

    This torch does heat up quite quickly. A quick tail-cap current check revealed that on high the torch is drawing around 2.5A. This is much more than any other P-7 torch I have and explains why it is getting hot so fast. To provide that much heat the driver must be working very hard and I'm not so sure that is a good thing but only time will tell when I start using it. The construction quality of the SF-15 is questionable. When I opened up the top I noticed that the emitter is sitting on top of a board/platform that appears to be loose. Thinking that I might be able to tighten it and provide better heat sinking I tried to rotate it C-wise. WRONG IDEA! When I turned it back on bad things happened. It got dimmer and I smelled burnt wires. I quickly turned it off and returned it to it's before position. Whew!...Whatever you do don't mess with the emitter! Hopefully I didn't do serious damage to mine. All seems to be well for the time being. Lastly, the threads on this torch are not as smooth as i would have wanted but this is not unusual for a torch like this.

    Compared to my all time favorite torch the SKU- 12060, it is not as well constructed. However the 12060 draws only around 2A at the cap, doesn't heat up the slightest and has no issues. SF-15 is definitely brighter, has a wider/ Whiter/ brighter beam. At this point I can't say for sure which I like more until I take the SF-15 out on a trail. My major worry with the SF-15 is that the driver is going to burn out or that the emitter will lose output to heat issues. I sure hope I am wrong about that but as hot as it gets I'm almost afraid to do a run-time test.

    I'll post up after I take the SF-15 on a night ride. Dang it, it's starting to get cool where I live. I'd rather it still be warm so I can tell how well it handles the heat.

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    so last night i took my SF-15 out solo, in pretty wet conditions. i totally forgot my other torch, so i ended up using the SF-15 on the helmet instead of on the bars.

    overall it was good as a helmet light. decent throw, lots of spill. i used it on high the entire ride which was definitely over an hour and a half. output was good. it was a slower ride since it was very slick. it was misting the whole time with occasional periods of solid rain and it didn't short out or anything. in the last 30 minutes of the ride or so, i thought my light was dimming. i didn't change the battery since i knew we were close to the end of the ride, but the light stopped dimming and just held a lower level anyway.

    it turns out, the light wasn't dimming, the lense had fogged and had some good sized water drops on the inside of the lense. i was in a solid rain at times, and i know the light does not claim to be water resistant/proof, but if you do take it out in wetter conditions, i would do some customizing to help keep water out. i kind of expected what happened with the mist and rain, but just figured i would throw it out there. like i said, it never shorted which is a big positive. i took it home, took it apart, let it dry overnight, tossed in a battery and its back to its formal bright-a$$ self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoHeadsBrewing
    I just ordered the MCE Bin M 501b as well. I'll be interested to see how it works out and if it needs the shims. I plan on using it as a second/backup light for trail riding and for commuting during the winter.

    A MCE (BIN M) Ultrafire 501b body for 20
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.d...359~r.72863811
    Just cancelled my order to DX, after two weeks of "waiting for supplier". I'd rather not wait that long, and it sounds like the SKU 12060 is a better built light. Any final suggestions for a good floody torch for the bars. I already have a MS900 for my helmet.
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    DX especially in the months upto Xmas is a order it, forget about it and 1 day you'll get a nice surprise in your post, nearly 3 weeks on a order here with no dispatch as yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turveyd
    DX especially in the months upto Xmas is a order it, forget about it and 1 day you'll get a nice surprise in your post, nearly 3 weeks on a order here with no dispatch as yet
    I am hoping my order ships soon... I already have a friend wanting to "borrow" my Lender light. The more friends on a ride the more fun the ride and right now my friends dont have any spare cash to spend to test night riding. But if they could borrow a light and try it and find they like it they could spare the cash then...
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    This is the first time I ordered from DX. I didn't realize they were so incredibly slow at getting items shipped out. I hope it will be here before Christmas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximusHQ
    This is the first time I ordered from DX. I didn't realize they were so incredibly slow at getting items shipped out. I hope it will be here before Christmas.
    Yes, sometimes there is a wait. A couple weeks ago D/X ran a sale on select torches/items. At the same time there was a Fall/winter holiday that the Chinese celebrate that was going on. Not to mention that the days are getting shorter here and suddenly there was a mad rush ( in our hemisphere ) to buy all things light related. One of the items sure to slow up your order is batteries. When they run out they delay your order but usually just a week or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turveyd
    Larger reflector focuses more of the light into a tighter spot if the reflector is good and fitted correctly.

    How do you fit 2x's 18650 into your torch ?? I find the output of anything rated over 4.2V area weak unless your running CR123a's then the run time is feeble so I only buy 18650 only torches.

    2 x 18650's would help with P7's and the like as you could draw the full on 2.8Ah draw from 2, where are you limited to 1.6Ah - 1.8Ah after a few mins with 1 cell.
    Are you talking about rechargable CR123? It will be brighter with 2xCR123 over 1x18650. A disadvantage with CR123 is when battery life shorten, the light dims very quick. You can get the torches that take both.


    The Ultrafire 504b is a Solarforce clone.

    All the MCE-P7's are meant to be floody. I never had any of these issues. I never take them apart that's probably why. Some foil paper and thermal grease would no doubt help with the heat.
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    The Xenon will pump out Max 10 watts, so 20lumens area, yellow horrible light aswell, same run time as a P7 though as limited by batteries Max draw but for 2 cells so 75mins for 2 batterys, and 1/3rd the output of a P7 / MC-E which will do that with 1 cell.


    That 5 thingy, would be awesome, you'll need 2 18650's really to use it so think so that'll get you 3.3Ah's max needs 5Ah to run proper so a pack of 4 to run proper which might over power it, run time will be the same as a P7 so 75mins area, but from 2 cells and it'll be a spot so best mounted on your helmet.

    You'll have to put the batterys else where though as that will need a lot of sinking so WEIGHT on your head sadly.

    Single cell would run at 350ma's per Q5, say 110 lumen x's 5 so 550lumens in a spot supper efficient and would suffer much less from heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    You didn't look hard enough. I think this is what you want. Even so, too long IMO for bar use, way to heavy for helmet. As is ( 2-cells )you might get 1.25hr on high if you're lucky. I think the best thing to do would be to mod this by cutting off the battery tube then replacing the switch and wire in a 4-cell 7.4volt battery ( think MS battery ). The hardest part would be find a way to mount it to the bars ( way too big for helmet ).

    This looks like a nice project but in the long run it might only be a little brighter than a MS and cost about the same once you buy a 4 cell battery. Ever since the MS came out not too many people talk about modding torches anymore.

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    The 2 x smaller Zoom to Flood torches 160lumen quoted ( 250 on there site ) have shipped, should have them over the next week normally, 11days order to shipped, got another at 20days

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    I placed an order on the 3rd and today is the 9th... 6 Days and my order has not been shipped or even filled yet. All items where listed As "In Stock: ships in 2 to 4 days" but as far as I can see they have not touched my order.
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    I got a chance tonight to try out the SF-15 on the trails. All things looked good. Bright white light with nice beam pattern. Also much more throw on high then what I expected. Medium mode was a winner as well. Low mode is somewhat lame, useful only for repair or walking speed.

    At this point it will be hard for me to say which I like more, the SF-15 or the SKU12060. Both are great for MTB'in. The 12060 5-mode has a driver that doesn't use regular memory. If you turn it off it comes back on in medium mode regardless of what mode it was last in. I tend to like this a little better when using it with other lights. That's because I don't have to cycle through the stupid flash modes. The SF-15 though has true memory. Turn it off and comes back on in the last mode it was in. Unfortunately that means cycling through the flash modes if you want high if you're in the medium mode. The SF-15 though IS the brighter torch with a beam tint that is more eye friendly. Which one will be more useful (?) only time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turveyd
    The Xenon will pump out Max 10 watts, so 20lumens area, yellow horrible light aswell, same run time as a P7 though as limited by batteries Max draw but for 2 cells so 75mins for 2 batterys, and 1/3rd the output of a P7 / MC-E which will do that with 1 cell.


    That 5 thingy, would be awesome, you'll need 2 18650's really to use it so think so that'll get you 3.3Ah's max needs 5Ah to run proper so a pack of 4 to run proper which might over power it, run time will be the same as a P7 so 75mins area, but from 2 cells and it'll be a spot so best mounted on your helmet.

    You'll have to put the batterys else where though as that will need a lot of sinking so WEIGHT on your head sadly.

    Single cell would run at 350ma's per Q5, say 110 lumen x's 5 so 550lumens in a spot supper efficient and would suffer much less from heat.
    I picked out that torch body for a reason. The 5*cree fits and it 2x18650 already but your right about the heatsinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    You didn't look hard enough. I think this is what you want. Even so, too long IMO for bar use, way to heavy for helmet. As is ( 2-cells )you might get 1.25hr on high if you're lucky. I think the best thing to do would be to mod this by cutting off the battery tube then replacing the switch and wire in a 4-cell 7.4volt battery ( think MS battery ). The hardest part would be find a way to mount it to the bars ( way too big for helmet ).

    This looks like a nice project but in the long run it might only be a little brighter than a MS and cost about the same once you buy a 4 cell battery. Ever since the MS came out not too many people talk about modding torches anymore.
    I saw that 1200 and was too long hence the Xenon at 8". I was looking at alternatives but complicating an already simple issue. I would just get a couple of these that take 2x18650 and be done with it used in combination with MTE. Cheap Big Light with more runtime and at what i consider the length limit to mount on the bars http://www.lightake.com/detail.do/sk...18650%29-30647

    I am least glad no talk of the MS for once. No big deal to carry a couple of spare batteries(if you don't use a battery pack) on your person if need be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    I picked out that torch body for a reason. The 5*cree fits and it 2x18650 already but your right about the heatsinking.....
    .....I saw that 1200 and was too long hence the Xenon at 8". I was looking at alternatives but complicating an already simple issue. I would just get a couple of these that take 2x18650 and be done with it used in combination with MTE. Cheap Big Light with more runtime and at what i consider the length limit to mount on the bars http://www.lightake.com/detail.do/sk...18650%29-30647

    I am least glad no talk of the MS for once. No big deal to carry a couple of spare batteries(if you don't use a battery pack) on your person if need be.
    terratec, Take a look at the link I provided again. You will see that the torch, although set-up to hold 3 x 18650's can also work with just two. The torch disassembles into multi-pieces. You only use the pieces you want for the size you want. Anyway, from the photos it looks like a real thrower.

    Also, thanks for that link to LighTake. Lots of nice little goodies on what I think is a D/X clone site. I found a couple items there that I have been looking around for for some time including a remote pressure switch for my P-7 torches. When I get those I won't have to take my hands off the bars to change modes ( hopefully).

    I should also mention ( for the sake of others ) that they also sell an interesting Cree Q-5 version of the MS that looks a little smaller ( I think ) and runs off a 2 x 18650 battery pack. Cost is around $54. What makes this interesting is that I bet you could mod this with an XP-G real easy...food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    I got a chance tonight to try out the SF-15 on the trails. All things looked good... Which one will be more useful (?) only time will tell.
    its a nice light right? i took mine out early Saturday morning again using it on the helmet and nothing on the bars. i was at a place that has very very tight twisty trails with little elevation gain/loss, and it worked out well. i have a feeling i'm going to be using this as my main light and the P7 as a backup when i'm at places like this. i am considering picking up another to have one on the bars and one on the helmet just to try it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkenstein
    i took mine out early Saturday morning again using it on the helmet and nothing on the bars.
    Can you tell me what you used to attach the "torch" to the helmet? Maybe even a couple of pictures?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatNoob
    Can you tell me what you used to attach the "torch" to the helmet? Maybe even a couple of pictures?
    sure check out page two of this thread for my first set up for the P7 on the helmet. there's a couple pics there.

    since i forgot my one torch for the first time i took this light out solo, i ended up taking my handlebar mount of the bars and popped it on the top of the helmet. i dont have it with me at work but i'll take some pics tonight.

    this is the mount i used for the handlebars (and now the helmet). i secured the torch using cable ties, just to make sure it doesn't pop out. i think helmet mounting all depends on your helmet type. i picked up a mount that some recommended in one of the threads on here, but it just didn't work for my giro xen:

    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8274

    i took out the nut and used a zip tie to tighten it to the helmet. works great.
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    Cat/Clarkenstein,

    Am I understanding correctly that in your opinion the MTE SF-15 is better (for MTB use) than the MTE SSC P7?
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    I also succumbed to the DX path, like many of you I resent the prices of the commercial brands. For example my NiteRider 400 bar lights have a run time of 1hr45m on high and if I want to buy a back up battery I have to pay 120. For a battery. I mean it's ludicrous and I know all the R&D and distribution arguments, I am not suggesting NR are any better or worse than the other well known names by the way. My NRs have given me no problems riding on or off-road in foul weather, neither has my Exposure Joystick so you could take the view that you are paying heavily for the peace of mind of your lights not letting you down. However, the DX prices are too cheap to ignore.

    A mate took a chance buying an Ultrafire 502b known as SKU36357, as mentioned in this thread. He was amazed by it, so I was I given that it cost GBP 13.80 and an 2400mah 18650 battery was about GBP 3.00 if memory serves me correctly. He bought another at the same time that I ordered 3 and another mate ordered the sister 501b Ultrafire. In my case I wanted two of these on the bars of my MTB secured using my Fenix mounts (all black version of the one shown early in this thread).

    All 3 of my 502b, the 502b received by my mate and the 501b received by the other mate were DOA, they would light up on full power and then fade to a pale blue light after a few seconds with clearly burned out elements of the LEDs. I patiently followed the DX reporting and return procedure and returned them to China and then received 3 replacements. I might have given up except I knew how good my mate's first example was. Of the replacement batch 1 is fine, the other 2 were also DOA and so I am in the process of returning those too.

    Point 1: There may be a problem with SKU36357 at present, it can't be a coincidence that 5 out of 6 I received were DOA and my mates have had at least one failure each of 502b and 501b. This makes for a frustrating experience, however the one that works is fantastic.

    Point 2: You need to know the amp draw of the torch to calculate battery run time as different 18650 batteries will give different results.

    As I understand it, the power and battery life are a feature of the current draw and the battery capacity. This leaves the beam pattern, reflection and colour temperature to the side (to those who cna comment on them better than I). The 502b draws about 1400mah so if you use 2400mah (both meaning per hour) then 2400/1400 tells you you will get about 1hr 40m of run time. I am sure CatManDo cna epxlain it better than I if you are new to this.

    Point 3: A real Eureka moment. The Exposure mount works with the 502b

    The barrel of the 502b clips into an Exposure mount perfectly. As soon as I found this it meant I could use it on my helmet where it is more powerful than my Joystick. It also meant I could use it on my road bikes where I have an Exposure bar mount. Last week I rode on the road using the working 502b and Joystick in this way, changing them round between bar and helment to see which I preferred in which position. To be honest I preferred the 502b on both the bars and the helmet so when I have the other lights sorted I expect the Joystick will become a back pocket back-up along with the spare 18650 batteries.

    Point 4: Another Eureka moment. The Exposure mount works with the MTE SF-15 too

    My mate came over last night with the MTE SF-15 he took in place of his failed Ultrafire 502b. I can relate to CatManDo's comparitive comments about the MTE being better, thankfully these torches (when working) are so good you don't really mind which you use.
    I like the lower current draw of the 502b at 1400mah over the MTE SF-15 at 2600mah (or something in that region) because of the increased battery time. Using something like BRC 3600mah batteries will help of course. It was good to have two different lights side by side for a play

    Point 5: These torches including battery are not heavy

    Earlier in the thread someone mentioned weight. On our scales my mates and I separately make these torches something less than 200g including battery so even if you run a couple on the bars this are not much heavier than a Maxx D (less than a 6 pack) and comparitive with any number of the light + cabled battery pack options. Spare 18650 batteries in the Camelbak or back pocket don't weigh much.

    Point 6: It's a good idea to weather-proof these torches

    The point about water getting in is a good one and I am going to use a silicon sealant around the thread of the torch head, probably vaseline in the tail cap thread and then a turn of electrical tape on the outside. This is easy enough to break and re-tape when changing batteries, especially when you can get long run times from reasonable draw and high capacity batteries.

    A last word that we won't find the perfect answer out there, particularly when doing it on the cheap as we are. It is a viable path though so thanks to the info posted on this thread and I hope these comments help to add to the mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatNoob
    Cat/Clarkenstein,

    Am I understanding correctly that in your opinion the MTE SF-15 is better (for MTB use) than the MTE SSC P7?

    i think so. the SF-15 is better for flood use when compared to the P7, and it also does a great job as a spot since it has good throw. the P7 has a slightly tighter spot, so IMHO its better suited strictly for helmet use. also, the SF-15 has a brighter/whiter light. i'm happy with my P7 for helmet use, but i also wouldn't mind having two SF-15s as a set up, one on the bar and one on the helmet.


    great post paul64!


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    Paul, I can run 2 x SF15's in Medium mode have a run time of 3hours+ easy and it's plenty of light, with the option to put both to high if required.

    Max Discharge on a 18650, means you always get a Min of 75mins per battery, I get 2hours+ from R2's or XP-G's easy.

    Don't let 18650's over discharge the cheap chargers won't see there is a battery then and then can't charge it

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul64
    ....All 3 of my 502b, the 502b received by my mate and the 501b received by the other mate were DOA, they would light up on full power and then fade to a pale blue light after a few seconds with clearly burned out elements of the LEDs. I patiently followed the DX reporting and return procedure and returned them to China and then received 3 replacements. I might have given up except I knew how good my mate's first example was. Of the replacement batch 1 is fine, the other 2 were also DOA and so I am in the process of returning those too.

    Point 1: There may be a problem with SKU36357 at present, it can't be a coincidence that 5 out of 6 I received were DOA and my mates have had at least one failure each of 502b and 501b. This makes for a frustrating experience, however the one that works is fantastic.

    )
    A strange story indeed. Concerning the 502B and 501B: These are just drop-in torch hosts. Other than the clickie switch on the rear, there is really not too much that can go wrong with them. Both of these models use P-60 drop-in modules. All of the electronics including the led are in the modules themselves. If something is wrong, the drop-in is likely the problem unless you just have flickering or cutting out issues. What you should have done first was to try the drop-in's from the bad torches in the torch that seemed to work fine. If it didn't work in the other torch then you have a faulty drop-in. After that you could take the drop-in from the good torch and try it in the other problem torches. Once again, if the torch now works the problem was with the faulty drop-in's. I suppose returning the entire torch is one way to handle the problem but you could of just as well ordered a replacement drop-in from almost anywhere.

    Anyway, sounds like the drop-in's in your torches had some bad drivers ( or were not heat sunk well enough ). However if the connections between the pieces of the torch and within the torch are bad you will get poor performance.

    Case in point: I just got finished fiddling around with my XP-G drop-in and new 501B host. For some reason the output was dropping. I took a look at the end cap and noticed that the metal ring was a bit loose. I tightened it a bit and now it looks much better. Still, the one thing I don't like about drop-in torches is that they can be problematic. Still, if you have a good drop-in/drop-in torch they are worth every penny you spent on them.

    Right now I am only using the 501B. At some point I may try another brand host if I can find one that is not too bulky.

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    Hi CMD, here is an example photo of the replacements I received, the good one shown with the defective ones which exhibited the same problem as the original 3 and those of my friends mentioned:



    we would have been quite happy for DX to send us a component and ask us to fit those into the torch head as a drop in. Much more economical for them and not difficult for us. When you raise an 'RMA' using their on-line web page you provide a description and upload photos then wait, we guess they forward onto the supplier.

    They seem to ignore your detailed information and miss the opportunity to send out components. Instead they they simply instruct you to send the whole product back. Then you have to take photos of the package and proof of postage, include a customs declaration and pay real attention to detail, they have guidelines on using the cheapest postal method possible but most folks won't realise landmail can take up to 8 weeks and so you need to use airmail. The package must have a minimum size, the fonts must be big enough and so on.

    Drop in component to bypass all of this? Yes please. If they last a long time then I guess you get familiar with dropping in new modules and if the hosts stand the wear and tear and can be weather proofed then why not.

    As you say, when you get a good one and first take it out on the bike you forgive all. At the end of the saga there will be 3 superb lights in output and battery life with low weight spare batteries, back-up from using 2 or 3 lights and a tremendous cost saving. GBP 60 or USD 100 all in for this sort of set-up really makes the consumer think before committing to the options out there which start at double that for single items.

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    But then you buy a few dud torches that really don't fit the bill and then there is the continual upgrade path as better torches come out


    I run entirely on torches, I like the same battery across all torches and 3 - 4 torches so odds on getting all fail even in a bad crash are well ridiculously high so nice redundancy.

    Should have 2 small, zoom torches here this week, hoorraaaa my first torch purchase in nearly 1 year

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatNoob
    Cat/Clarkenstein,

    Am I understanding correctly that in your opinion the MTE SF-15 is better (for MTB use) than the MTE SSC P7?
    The SF-15 is better but only because it is 5-mode. The other one you listed will be fine as well but is only two mode. The two mode torches are fine on high but the low mode is usually only good for slow or walking/repair use. With the 5 mode torches you get the very usable medium mode which extends run time and is great for anything other than an all out down-hill. Only bad thing about the five modes is that two of the modes are strobe and SOS...which, are very annoying.

    For the life of me I don't know why there aren't more torch drivers that are more conducive for bike use. Just give me High, Med, and low... or High, med and slow flash and I'm good. I can deal with just one flash mode as long as it's not a fast strobe and not an SOS, both which are somewhat useless and annoying. That's why I like SKU12060 so much, even though it's a 5-mode I can by-pass the flash modes just by turning it off and then back on. A minor annoyance but I can deal with it.

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    fyi if you're ordering right now, my SF-15 and accessories took 7 days after the initial order to ship

    The only light I own to compare to is an old NiteRider Evolution, but I'll post what impressions I can.

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    boomn,

    I already ordered, Order Date was 10-3 and they still have not shipped it yet (as of 10-13). So I know exactly what you mean!

    If I knew they were that busy I would have ordered the light off of a US based seller on eSpray, the light would already be here and only cost me slightly more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatNoob
    boomn,

    I already ordered, Order Date was 10-3 and they still have not shipped it yet (as of 10-13). So I know exactly what you mean!

    If I knew they were that busy I would have ordered the light off of a US based seller on eSpray, the light would already be here and only cost me slightly more.

    Watch your Spam folder. Sometimes the email gets filtered. Watch your postal mail box as well. Sometimes they leave the whole kit there, sometimes just a note ( for you to pick-up )

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    So they finally shipped...

    Order date 10-3
    ship date 10-14

    So "in stock ships 2-4 days" can some times mean that it will ship in 11 days. Now I hope the EMS (fast shipping) is more accurate, they say 3-5 days which allowing for weekend would still put them here by Wednesday.

    I like the prices, I hope I like the products, DX did respond to email about the delay, and they have shipped a "gift" to make up for the delay (I am wondering what it could be!!!). So I am still happy (as long as the product comes in OK).
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    Cool, hopefully they get to mine to, 1 order is nearing 4 weeks

    I used EMS once and found it slower than normal delivery so I stick to free!!

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    DX have delivered within 10 days whereas Kaidomain took 3 weeks.

    I think what we can all summarise is that the majority of MTE P7's etc. are all basically the same, give or take a few pluses. 2 of any product will be good enough light.

    The Solarforce P60 drop-ins are recommended as the best on price/performance otherwise treat yourself to the Thrunite.

    I find 5-mode annoying flicking through. 3-mode is enough and what you need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    I think what we can all summarise is that the majority of MTE P7's etc. are all basically the same, give or take a few pluses. 2 of any product will be good enough light.
    I'm not sure if it's that simple
    + current draw of the host torch means output can range between 300 to maybe 800 lumens
    + BIN rating of the P7 itself means output can range between 400 to maybe 800 lumens
    + some products can have batch problems from time to time
    + battery capacity and torch current draw can mean run-time between 45 min and 2 1/2 hours between battery swap-out
    = it's a minefield but the better informed you are the more you can choose for your needs

    Last night on the trails using NiteRider 400 twin lights on the bars and P7 torch on the lid of maybe 400 lumens I was just about okay, I will feel happier when I have 2 x P7 torch on the bars and a third 700 lumens torch on the lid.

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    No product is out of this world. They all get mixed reviews. If 2 of ANY MTE P7's isn't good enough then you should be looking at something else. Why um and ah on draw/heat when you can pick up 1200 lumens for $45. If you need decent lights, ideal for your requirements, why go for the mega cheapest. If you need in the region or close to a 1000 proper lumens and spend in the region of $50 , it still a mighty deal! Just get the discounted lumens and beam pattern you want and be happy . Tell me 2x18650 together or carried individually isn't enough runtime?

    Even with the lightweight battery packs, i think better not have the bother of wires and weight and just have simplicity of carrying spare batteries.

    Tip: Order 8-10 batteries, that way your not having to constantly charge night after night.

    I still have a P7 from last year working as good as new.

    For longer run times in a P60 i was considering a 26650 host but look to be short on the ground still. In the meantime treat yourself to some better 18650 , the Panasonic 2900mah or Samsung 3000mah.
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    My SF-15 is garbage.

    It worked for a few day and it was fun blinding the dogs while it lasted.
    I put a freshly charged battery in it and left it on for 15 minutes. When I came back the output was way down. Its looks like only 1 or 2 of dies on the chip is working.
    I'm not playing the game again.
    I'm going over to CPF and am going to investigate to see what decent light I can get thats comparable.
    Don't care if I pay 4 times as much as I did from DX.

    Goodluck everyone.

    PS. Stupid magicshine I bought over a year ago is still going strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul64
    I'm not sure if it's that simple
    + current draw of the host torch means output can range between 300 to maybe 800 lumens
    + BIN rating of the P7 itself means output can range between 400 to maybe 800 lumens
    + some products can have batch problems from time to time
    + battery capacity and torch current draw can mean run-time between 45 min and 2 1/2 hours between battery swap-out
    = it's a minefield but the better informed you are the more you can choose for your needs

    Last night on the trails using NiteRider 400 twin lights on the bars and P7 torch on the lid of maybe 400 lumens I was just about okay, I will feel happier when I have 2 x P7 torch on the bars and a third 700 lumens torch on the lid.

    That is why i was saying early on, it probably better to rely on XP-G more. A good quality XP-G is very bright, efficient with good runtime and a lighter host. 2 XP-G should provide some flood as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liltommy
    It worked for a few day and it was fun blinding the dogs while it lasted.
    I put a freshly charged battery in it and left it on for 15 minutes. When I came back the output was way down. Its looks like only 1 or 2 of dies on the chip is working.
    I'm not playing the game again.
    I'm going over to CPF and am going to investigate to see what decent light I can get thats comparable.
    Don't care if I pay 4 times as much as I did from DX.

    Goodluck everyone.

    PS. Stupid magicshine I bought over a year ago is still going strong.
    that sounds like what would happen if it was overheating, right? I'm not too experienced with these though, and 15mins sounds a little quick to overheat even indoors with no air movement though

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    Toying with the idea of ordering 2 of these :-

    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.44277

    Rather than have heavy torches and batterys on my head, slice off what isn't needed, extend the cables and drop those into my rucksack, then 300lumens in a tight ish ( setable ) Spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    that sounds like what would happen if it was overheating, right? I'm not too experienced with these though, and 15mins sounds a little quick to overheat even indoors with no air movement though
    Yeah, I'm pretty sure it over-heated, but like you said that is too quick.
    It was outside, around 50 degrees and I had it sitting on top of a steel hammer to help with heat sinking. I'm sort of glad it happened.
    Better to find out this way than out on the trail.
    Now I won't feel so bad spending over $100 on something decent.
    Anybody got any ideas on something that has thermal protection and built in low voltage for the battery. In case I wanna try un-protected batteries,

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    Had 1 of the Zoom to Floods arrive, not from DX but 2 coming from them likely tomorrow

    Looks perfect for head useage, like a Sylvia L1 but adjustable and 2x's the power for the same sized spot, it's a crisp spot of light with no artifacts or anything annoying.

    IMPRESSED role on a night ride later

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    I recently picked up a couple of those zoom to throws of ebay - the 3 aaa model and supposedly q5. Those are cool little lights. The 18650 version is supposed to be better, but I see these eventually being used around the house.

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    this is a 130lumen claimed thrower basically, nice blue light, I'll take it out on the trails later and give it a proper test and work out where to have it Zoom wise.

    I've got 2 which claim 160lumens and the site claims 250lumens hopefully arriving tomorrow, plan it to use 2 of these and glue and seal the device at a zoom mode I like / use.

    It's ability to throw a LED shaped with the wires visible projection out to 200Metres most likely is very impressive, make a great searching light, especially if it had 2x's the lumens!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turveyd
    this is a 130lumen claimed thrower basically, nice blue light, I'll take it out on the trails later and give it a proper test and work out where to have it Zoom wise.

    I've got 2 which claim 160lumens and the site claims 250lumens hopefully arriving tomorrow, plan it to use 2 of these and glue and seal the device at a zoom mode I like / use.

    It's ability to throw a LED shaped with the wires visible projection out to 200Metres most likely is very impressive, make a great searching light, especially if it had 2x's the lumens!!
    Let us know how the 250L ones make out. If they start making the zoom-to-throw torches with XP-E or G with a 18650 I might just have to check it out. On a side note: With my last D/X order I bought one of the Ultrafire host with a XP-E drop-in. I am surprisingly impressed with it. Very good throw, nice neutral tint. Not as much spill light as a XPG but not bad. Still , a zoom to throw XP-G torch could be the bomb.

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    [QUOTE=Turveyd]this is a 130lumen claimed thrower basically.......QUOTE]

    Yeah, the zoom is unbelievable. I've only tried them with alkaline batteries. There are lots of little mods on DE if you search for c30 and x2000. I put a spacer under the emitter of one for a little more flood. The current measured 730ma when the batteries were fresh. It measured 1.6a when I tested it with a 18650 for a few secs, so I definitely can't use those.

    I got the Q5 version of these. The seller lists them as 340 lum, but I'm guessing they're less than 200 lum with alkalines.
    http://shop.ebay.com/hid3399u/m.html...&_trksid=p4340

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    is there any way to take say a SF-15 and pop it in a zoom to throw set up as a mod?
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    This silver Aurora is a favourable P7 , check the build quality.
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15739

    and someone try this Spiderfire
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.19767

    For flood to throw check out JFT and MXDL.
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    I now have a 501b body. A 502b or 504b body is meant to have better heatsinking. I still rather have a Solarforce. Lightake sell the bodies cheaply.

    Custom 3*XP-G R5 P60 drop-in
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=277951
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    I really liked all my Zoom to Throw flashlights...........until I got a P7. I'll be selling off a few of the Zoom to Throws now, and keep a couple for the house. But I won't bother using them on the bike anymore.

    I'd have to use at least 3-4 to get near the output of the P7, so it's not worth it, I'd rather just get another P7.

    I have the P4 models that use 3xAAA's and the Q5 models that use the 18650's.
    IF someone still wants to go that route, get the Q5 MXDL's. They are definitely brighter then the P4's and it's much easier to change out a single 18650 mid ride then to mess with AAA's.
    But again, I really think you're just better off going with a P7.

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    terratec - $130 for the drop-in you linked? It must be nice. Some of us are just starting out with the 7 dollar lights.

    fightnut - I'm thinking along those lines already. The zooms are neat, and one could easily stick a cheap r5 on them to get a little more out of it, but after being on a trail after dusk, I found I wanted a bit more umph. One of my zooms will go in my car. The flash mode might be useful in case of an emergency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    I now have a 501b body. A 502b or 504b body is meant to have better heatsinking. I still rather have a Solarforce. Lightake sell the bodies cheaply.

    Custom 3*XP-G R5 P60 drop-in
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=277951
    A triple in a one cell torch isn't going to run very long and is going to get real hot. The dealer even warned about the heat. Not to mention these are XP-G's and will not have a real tight beam pattern. A triple XP-E drop-in might be interesting for helmet use but like the XPG, will not run long on one cell.

    The Solarforce drop-in host sold by Lightake don't look as good as the dealer sold versions. I have no idea if they are as good but for the price I would be a little skeptical of the quality. Still, since they are cheap...why not try it out.

    I saw this 1400ma XP-G R-5 torch on Shiningbeam the other day and thought it looks nice. This one doesn't use a drop-in and is one oz. heavier than my 401B. More metal for more heat sinking....a good thing at this amp rating. Also of note, it uses only three modes...no flash modes.. Comes in a smooth or OP version reflector. Still, for the money they want I wish I could see some beam shots or a torch break down photo. ....ummm...I am tempted.

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    I saw the beam patterns of that custom 3xXP-G , should solve all your issues , brighter than SST-50 but alas 2.8A. If it got adequate brass heatsinking and feels hot, the heat is transferring to the body well. then that is a good thing right. No, wouldn't run long on 1 battery. The price is the biggest issue. Just sharing what i found.

    I guess you already know of this 445L 1.4A drop-in $45, goes to town with the heatsinking. Talk of copper and Artic Silver 5. http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=261801 I already knew copper is one of the very best conductive materials. Maybe, if you really goto town on the heatsinking, A MCE could be really worthwhile in a P60. More flood but with more lumens... For your interest http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=260659

    Looking around I think i use ITC ebay shop for authentic Solarforce.

    I have seen some 2x18650 hosts that just 2 inches longer than 1x18650. You could get away with that length on the bar without looking ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    I saw the beam patterns of that custom 3xXP-G , should solve all your issues , brighter than SST-50 but alas 2.8A. If it got adequate brass heatsinking and feels hot, the heat is transferring to the body well. then that is a good thing right. No, wouldn't run long on 1 battery. The price is the biggest issue. Just sharing what i found.
    These custom drop-ins do look nice but are designed around the name brand hosts. Yes, expensive. With that said I would love to have one. I'm not sure what beam photos you saw, do you have the link? The CPF thread only showed a table beam shot. Not much you can tell from that. I own a triple 20mm XPG bike light and it is very floody, even with the narrowest optics available.

    If I could find a triple XP-E drop-in similar to the XP-G triple I might be willing to drop the coin for a new (better) host torch/drop-in. Heat and run time would still be an issue but if you mod the torch to run off of two external cells....well, things get interesting. Since I wouldn't plan on running the high mode for too long an interval this just might work. Medium mode should be somewhere in the 400 lumen range and should be very usable for long term periods. Of course for around the same money I could just buy an Amoeba and be done with it.

    For the time being my SST-50 drop-in outputs around 550 lumen and is very usable. I might look into another XP-G drop-in @ 1.5A but not sure yet. The one I have is working well but only 1.3A.....Now if I could find a 1.5A version of the XP-E, I just might have to get me one of those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    This silver Aurora is a favourable P7 , check the build quality.
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15739

    and someone try this Spiderfire
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.19767

    For flood to throw check out JFT and MXDL.

    I have the spiderfire on order it should be here sometime this coming week (I hope). I have 3 different P7s coming from DX. SpiderFire, MTE SSC P7, and MTE SF-15 because I could not figure out which was better and I need 3 lights so I just ordered an array to "test".
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    Really impressed with the flood to zoom, the optics are wasteful the spottier they go, so just under full flood seems to work the best, nice perfect spread of light just where your looking no hazy fuzzyness like other beams.

    2 hopefully higher powered 1's on my helmet should be perfect hopefully they'll both arrive in the next day or 2. ( 1 might do it, but doubt Q3 to Q5 will make a huge difference )

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    Last night I got toying around with my torches and tried mounting two on my helmet. I did this because I discovered that running the SST-50 drop-in in combo with the XP-E drop-in produced a beautiful beam pattern. The 50 drop-in with the wider beam the XPE with a narrow hot spot. Both beams are roughly the same tint and the effect is sweet.

    This does create some problems though....More weight on the helmet for one ( yes but not too bad as long as the weight is balanced ) and more problematic when it comes to mounting. Once again wadded pieces of old tube with strategic use of electrical tape to the rescue...Still even if I get it stable, balanced and aimed right it has one heavily unredeemable characteristic....IT IS VERY CLUNKY LOOKING...

    I'll see if CLUNKY is worth dealing with when I see the results of the beam on the trail.

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    I run 2 strapped on with inner tube strips and bits of inner tube glued to the helmet to stop it sliding around, but my helmet was chosen for it's ease of torch fitting

    Was running XP-E ( to yellow ) with a XP-G ( to blue ) which was working well, but experimenting with Zoom optics, bigger spot and no wasteful spill.

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    First DX order has arrived and well a bit of a waste of time :-

    Unique Fire L2 XP-G switch it on, and BRIGHT NICE, within 5seconds starts to dim and LED's burnt out doh!!

    The EDI-T P9 Flood to Zoom although nice is down on poor compared to the MXDL SA-28 estimate 30% lower and much heavier to doh!!

    Hope the batterys, charger and 4 Ipod Shuffle head phones at 1/4 the normal price all work

    2 more EDI-T's in transit expect they won't be anything special, but we'll see, there 3 mode so maybe better driver ?? EDI-T P4's smaller to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    Last night I got toying around with my torches and tried mounting two on my helmet. I did this because I discovered that running the SST-50 drop-in in combo with the XP-E drop-in produced a beautiful beam pattern. The 50 drop-in with the wider beam the XPE with a narrow hot spot. Both beams are roughly the same tint and the effect is sweet.

    This does create some problems though....More weight on the helmet for one ( yes but not too bad as long as the weight is balanced ) and more problematic when it comes to mounting. Once again wadded pieces of old tube with strategic use of electrical tape to the rescue...Still even if I get it stable, balanced and aimed right it has one heavily unredeemable characteristic....IT IS VERY CLUNKY LOOKING...

    I'll see if CLUNKY is worth dealing with when I see the results of the beam on the trail.
    Yeah I'm quoting myself...just to keep the same train of thought. I finally did try out the two torch set-up ( above ). It does put out a lot of light. One problem though, two torches on my helmet make the helmet very unstable. I'm afraid that ain't gonna work for me. Real shame too because it was a nice output.

    Switching gears....My XP-G R-5 drop-in gave up the ghost tonight.
    I'm not sure why but I think likely the driver burnt out. The led still lights but is only putting out about 20 lumens. Oh well. Such is life. I got one season of good use out of it. If I want another I can spend another $13...no big deal. Right now it is not a big issue anyway because ( for me ) the torch helmet riding season is about over. With all the leaves and debris of fall, time for me to use the good lights. Even with the good lights with all the leaves ( not to mention misty/foggy night air ) night riding is so much more hazardous.

    Still my next decision will be: Should I buy a nice ThurNite 1.5A XP-G R-5 drop-in ( 3-mode ) or something like the torch from Shiningbeam I mentioned before....decisions, decisions.

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    What are the 'good lights' you use Cat, DX again or a brand offering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul64
    What are the 'good lights' you use Cat, DX again or a brand offering?
    I was talking about my "good" helmet light. It is the Lumen8R quad made by HIDtechnologies. It's a quad Cree R2 LED lamp. Outputs around 900 lumens and has a nice beam pattern for helmet use. This is the Link to the review I did on it some years ago. ( P.S. If you have any questions just PM me. Don't won't to get to far off subject as this is a torch thread.. ) Now questions about torches...ask up!

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    i swapped P60 drop in reflector from my dead unique fire torch into my 1 year old XP-G torch and its tightened the spot slightly looks better, so not a total waste of a order!!


    The Zoom torch gives a good spread of light it's good on it's own, but with the XP-G it's pretty damn good, the Zoom though doesn't get much brighter as you go to a spot as it wastes the light so might aswell run it in flood mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    These custom drop-ins do look nice but are designed around the name brand hosts. Yes, expensive. With that said I would love to have one. I'm not sure what beam photos you saw, do you have the link? The CPF thread only showed a table beam shot. Not much you can tell from that. I own a triple 20mm XPG bike light and it is very floody, even with the narrowest optics available.
    If 1000L not too much, look like the ideal beam for bike, plenty of flood and throw together but not too floody.
    https://www.brucewilles.de/l2p_dropin_review/11.JPG
    https://www.brucewilles.de/l2p_dropin_review/9.JPG
    https://www.brucewilles.de/l2p_dropin_review/10.JPG

    Another nice custom 3*XPG @1.1A each https://www.oveready.com/titanium-en.../prod_163.html
    https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...=280671&page=3
    https://i901.photobucket.com/albums/.../IMG_2153s.jpg
    https://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb...75&postcount=1
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatNoob
    So they finally shipped...

    Order date 10-3
    ship date 10-14

    So "in stock ships 2-4 days" can some times mean that it will ship in 11 days. Now I hope the EMS (fast shipping) is more accurate, they say 3-5 days which allowing for weekend would still put them here by Wednesday.

    I like the prices, I hope I like the products, DX did respond to email about the delay, and they have shipped a "gift" to make up for the delay (I am wondering what it could be!!!). So I am still happy (as long as the product comes in OK).
    I had this same problem ordered lights 9/28 and did the EMS 3-4 day shipping but they took until 10/13 to ship. On the website it states a max of 5 days from order to ship time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR2ebike
    I had this same problem ordered lights 9/28 and did the EMS 3-4 day shipping but they took until 10/13 to ship. On the website it states a max of 5 days from order to ship time.
    The EMS delivery was accurate ship date was 10-14 and delivery was 10-19... and that included 2 weekend days.

    So Break Down:
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    Quote Originally Posted by terratec
    If 1000L not too much, look like the ideal beam for bike, plenty of flood and throw together but not too floody.
    Yes, the beam shots look nice. The oveready doesn't mention having modes and is designed to run with two cells ( although it will run on one at diminished output ).
    FWIW, I lliked the one you first linked to in an earlier post. It had three modes. Just keep in mind a triple on high isn't going to run for very long. Not a problem if you have lower modes and use the high when needed. Still, the entire set-up ( drop-in and torch ) will cost over $200. While the high output is nice on these comparatively speaking, the D/X SF-15 is almost as bright ( about 700 Lumens IMO ) and way cheaper ( around $30 )...and you could always buy two SF-15's for 1400 lumen output. If you've got the money I'd go with the set-up here.

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    I was considering 1 of those until I saw the price, $150 to much for my likings.

    A XP-G torch + a Zoom to Flood in full Flood mode is working great on my head anyway, it triples the brightness of the spill and raises the spot slightly stops me missing things then crashing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    terratec, Take a look at the link I provided again. You will see that the torch, although set-up to hold 3 x 18650's can also work with just two. The torch disassembles into multi-pieces. You only use the pieces you want for the size you want. Anyway, from the photos it looks like a real thrower.
    This about the best for value/brightness http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.30683 This one looks to be better, very big flood and throw http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.15685

    My award still goes to the cheap 501b MCE which is brighter than alot of MTE, P7, XP-G out there http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.39359
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    about to jump the gun the those sf-15 lights. few questions which battery would give me the longest life? and what mount would be best? I have a magic shine 900 and i see people putting that on there helmet and the sf-15 on the bars, but wouldnt the magic shine be real heavy on ur head combined with the battery? also does anyone know a good really bright tail light? i remember seeing a link somewhere for one from dtx that looked like a flash light but was red any one know of this model or any other bright tail lights?

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    Don't buy the 3000mah's they have a slow discharge rate so you'll get a noticeable drop in power, the pink 2600's where supposed to have the fastest discharge rate but I couldn't tell and they played up to much for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaqforever247
    does anyone know a good really bright tail light? i remember seeing a link somewhere for one from dtx that looked like a flash light but was red any one know of this model or any other bright tail lights?
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.20333
    additional drop-in
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26345

    You'll have to use a diffuser due to the bright hotspot and to make some side visibility (eg. cut down plastic cover from a rear light). If you can manage to fix the diffuser an inch or so away, you'll have a bigger more effective light.

    Another one i found with a nice diffuser.
    http://www.lightake.com/detail.do/sk...d_Tube)_-30784

    http://www.lightake.com/detail.do/sk..._(3xAAA)-32822
    http://www.lightake.com/detail.do/sk..._(2xAAA)-32798
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaqforever247
    about to jump the gun the those sf-15 lights. few questions which battery would give me the longest life? and what mount would be best? I have a magic shine 900 and i see people putting that on there helmet and the sf-15 on the bars, but wouldnt the magic shine be real heavy on ur head combined with the battery? also does anyone know a good really bright tail light? i remember seeing a link somewhere for one from dtx that looked like a flash light but was red any one know of this model or any other bright tail lights?
    battery doesn't go on your head, it goes in your backpack. The light head alone shouldn't feel too heavy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turveyd
    I was considering 1 of those until I saw the price, $150 to much for my likings.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do
    Yes, the beam shots look nice. The oveready doesn't mention having modes and is designed to run with two cells ( although it will run on one at diminished output ).
    FWIW, I lliked the one you first linked to in an earlier post. It had three modes. Just keep in mind a triple on high isn't going to run for very long. Not a problem if you have lower modes and use the high when needed. Still, the entire set-up ( drop-in and torch ) will cost over $200. While the high output is nice on these comparatively speaking, the D/X SF-15 is almost as bright ( about 700 Lumens IMO ) and way cheaper ( around $30 )...and you could always buy two SF-15's for 1400 lumen output. If you've got the money I'd go with the set-up here.
    A commercial equivalent at that price would be a EagleTac M2XC4(3xXPE) ,M3C4(SST-50) , Fenix TK40, similar runtime and large flood/throw pattern but not nicely bright as 3xXPG.

    You might find this of use.
    http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...d.php?t=283966

    There is a cheap incandescent, old mod you can do with a Maglite 2D or 2C flashlight, that will give you 600 lumens or more, depending on the bulb and a hour's runtime on 2x18650. I not seen on MTBR before.

    Details here
    http://edcfeatures.blogspot.com/2007...lican-rop.html

    For slightly longer runtime and little less lumens, can use a WA1111 bulb instead.

    2C 2D flashlights are too long to be mounted to the bars. If you can cut down and use the head with a battery back, then it's worth doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaqforever247
    about to jump the gun the those sf-15 lights. few questions which battery would give me the longest life? and what mount would be best? I have a magic shine 900 and i see people putting that on there helmet and the sf-15 on the bars, but wouldnt the magic shine be real heavy on ur head combined with the battery? also does anyone know a good really bright tail light? i remember seeing a link somewhere for one from dtx that looked like a flash light but was red any one know of this model or any other bright tail lights?
    in my SF-15 i'm using these batteries:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26247

    ...and so far so good for me. i went on a 2.5 hour ride Friday night and didn't have to change the batteries once using mid mode exclusively. i've done 1.5 hours using both mid and high modes and also didn't have to do any battery swapping.

    good mounts are all up to your bars/helmet type.
    i spurt in the wind, and the wind drug it

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    battery doesn't go on your head, it goes in your backpack. The light head alone shouldn't feel too heavy
    ohh yeah duhhh lol. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkenstein
    in my SF-15 i'm using these batteries:
    http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26247

    ...and so far so good for me. i went on a 2.5 hour ride Friday night and didn't have to change the batteries once using mid mode exclusively. i've done 1.5 hours using both mid and high modes and also didn't have to do any battery swapping.

    good mounts are all up to your bars/helmet type.
    im running a ritchey wcs bar. which mount are u guys all using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaqforever247
    im running a ritchey wcs bar. which mount are u guys all using?
    i've got a stock brodie 31.8 handlebar. i took this mount:

    https://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8274

    removed the bolt, and use a cable tie to snug it up right next to the stem like this:



    i use two very small cable ties to secure the torch to the mount. i ride pretty technical rocky stuff and as long as i sinch it down tight enough, it doesn't move one bit.
    i spurt in the wind, and the wind drug it

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    This is what I used to mount flashlights. Reflector brackets and Planet bike mount reversed. Multi-adjustable for different flashlight circumference.




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    any one know were else u can purchase these lights from, besides dtx or a in china?

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