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    Can one replace the leds in these?
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    I'm getting the Gemini Olympia 2100 soon, I like the light pattern best on the Gemini nice and smooth. The SS have a spot in center and a halo, not my preferred pattern. My peripheral vision is affected by the halo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    The last 45 min. of test was done in my garage with high powered fan blowing on lights.

    I will test the Gemini 4 cell samsung cells battery next. I think the batteries will do better after a few cycles of charging and discharging. Is that correct Leonard ? Using Gemini charger.
    Luv da bike. AFAIK Jury is still out on conditioning lithium batteries for the first 3 full-charge to full-discharge cycles. Try it.

    Runtime test should be a simulation of riding with the lights. So aim for about a 10mph airflow. Higher airflow is better for the lights but it distorts reading. Test from start to end indoors or outdoors. Just keep it constant.

    What is important is the X3 is as bright as the 2 x X2. Still amazed how identical the runtimes were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    The 2-x2 lights on the bars "rear led button" started to flash at 2 hours 45 min. At 3 hours 15 min. went black. The x3 on the helmet went into flash at 3 hours 13 min. than went black 1 min. later.
    dgw, have to bring up this statement again. Wonder why only a 2 minute warning before depletion when you had around 30 mins warning with the SSX2s. Please check if this is happening in other rundowns. Also switch over batteries and light heads.

    Last test, run both batteries with SSX2 separately. See how close we are to the expected runtime of 6.5 hours with the 7800s.
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    Purchased a Solarstorm X2 from fleabay (no. 111154856805). First one had the mounting screw strip out of the bottom of the head simply by mounting it to the bars. I returned it and they sent a new one. But the battery is crap. 42 minutes on high. The 3 indicators on the back are largely useless too it seems- after a full charge it never reads full.
    The customer service has been good so far, so I contacted them to see about a new battery- which may not be any better-or preferably a partial refund.

    You get what you pay for I suppose. I'll look into decent replacement batteries.

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    Ok, I'm testing now !! All Solarstorm lights, x2 power by Xeccon 6 cell 7800mah battery and x3 power by another Xeccon 7800mah battery. Inside test with high powered fan started at 9:50 am.

    Than I decided to also test x2 powered by Gemini 4 cell 5200mah battery and x2 powered by Magicshine 4 cell 5600mah started test at 10:20 am.

    All batteries charged by same Gemini charger, all light s on high setting. The x3 green led at rear of light head goes to 2 within seconds after turning on, so the indicator are not very accurate. Also the rubber bands that come with lights are junk, they will break. The Gemini bands are great !! I think the Xeccon will run the x2 for 6+ hours on high. Will see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OFFcourse View Post
    Can one replace the leds in these?
    Yes, iirc leds are mounted on 16mm stars and thermal paste. Just unsolder old stars and solder new ones, very easy.

    Wonder why only a 2 minute warning before depletion when you had around 30 mins warning with the SSX2s.
    Probably different driver and different voltage levels for indicators. One flashing led on the back is supposed to indicate "emergency! less than 5% battery remaining".
    I still find its hard to believe that SSX3 draws 3.5A from battery...I've only seen 2 chinese lights with 3A draw or higher. Most of them can drive leds up to 3A but usually they're setup for much lower current, probably to provide a better runtime on crappy batteries.

    The x3 green led at rear of light head goes to 2 within seconds after turning on, so the indicator are not very accurate.
    And again...these indicators will only show the correct battery capacity when light is turned off. When its on you get a huge voltage drop, especially on high mode.
    We really need a guide/FAQ on chinese lights, these questions pop up in every popular thread.

    But the battery is crap. 42 minutes on high. The 3 indicators on the back are largely useless too it seems- after a full charge it never reads full.
    See above. Indicators are not useless, but your battery is. And you will _never_ get a good battery with SSX2, its simply impossible. Max capacity for chinese batteries is about 4000mAh and even then it'll be made from crappy cells that can't handle high load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kir View Post
    And again...these indicators will only show the correct battery capacity when light is turned off. When its on you get a huge voltage drop, especially on high mode.
    We really need a guide/FAQ on chinese lights, these questions pop up in every popular thread.


    See above. Indicators are not useless, but your battery is. And you will _never_ get a good battery with SSX2, its simply impossible. Max capacity for chinese batteries is about 4000mAh and even then it'll be made from crappy cells that can't handle high load.
    I must have missed the point about voltage drop. My mistake.

    Yes, I am aware that the batteries are a lottery at best. I was only referencing my experience with this particular seller in case anyone else was thinking of ordering from them. But then again, they could have lights with a dozen different batteries, who knows.
    That being said, they are sent from the UK, so anyone in Europe can get one from this source in a few days. They also replaced the defective lamp, and have promised to send another battery- only time will tell if its any better. Point being that customer service does exist from this source.

    Once I've learned more about this and read a few thousand posts in this forum I may be confident enough to install some quality cells- or I'll just get a battery pack from a reputable source.

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    dgw7000 we need some on-trail beamshots of that setup.

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    X3 cut out 12:42 started at 9:50, so almost 3 hours on high. Give or take a few min. Again no flashing from the x3 just went out !!

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    X2 with Gemini 4 cell battery went out at 1:29 started at 10:20 no flashing, was on high when it died. So 3 hours 9 min. Full high the whole time.

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    Also tested a 2 cell Xeccon Bak cell battery with a Gemini Xera light head. Single led light, the battery lasted 2 hours 44 min. the last 45 min. it was in red flashing mode.

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    X2 with 6 cell Xeccon battery went out at 3:31 and started test at 9:50. 2:45 green led indicator started to flash but light stayed on high. At 3:10 light got dimmer till out at 3:31. So about 5 hours and 45 min. total run time.

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    X2 powered by Magicshine 4 cell battery started at 10:20 is still going at 3:56, but is clear these x2 must be different because the rear led went into flash mode at 12:58. Than light got really dim and is still producing light now but so dim. If I unplug it and use one of the other x2 lights it will not turn on. Plugged it back in and still going. No heat at all, still going at 4:20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    That indicates that the 12,000mAh battery is really ~6,000mAh. Chinese spec inflation at its finest.

    Not surprised but it is double the life of the original one and at the price buying a good battery pack still makes it a cheap light unit..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    X2 powered by Magicshine 4 cell battery started at 10:20 is still going at 3:56, but is clear these x2 must be different because the rear led went into flash mode at 12:58. Than light got really dim and is still producing light now but so dim. If I unplug it and use one of the other x2 lights it will not turn on. Plugged it back in and still going. No heat at all, still going at 4:20.
    dgw, I hope you have unplugged this by now. The battery can over-discharge if you run it down completely.

    @Kir: this is what I don't get about some of these lights. The culprits are normally 3.7v-4.2v light systems that tend to deplete like a NiMH battery. Isn't the protection circuit in the battery supposed to kick in and shut it down? What is causing it to bypass the safety?
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    Yea I shut it down at 4:30, These lights were all bought from the same supplier on ebay. I think I'll sell these and go with Gloworm or Gemini you know what your paying for with them.

    Leonard how is the newer Xeccon S12 Two light?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Yea I shut it down at 4:30, These lights were all bought from the same supplier on ebay. I think I'll sell these and go with Gloworm or Gemini you know what your paying for with them.

    Leonard how is the newer Xeccon S12 Two light?
    The battery that was used in this last test is the 4 cell MJ-6030 correct? Was expecting it to deplete about the same time as the Gemini. Was waiting and waiting for your runtime update post after the Gemini depleted. Was actually impressed as the minutes past. Now I know what happened.

    5 hours 45 mins for the X2 with 7800mAh is not bad at all. Was expecting more since we had a better result when you shared the battery with 2 light heads.

    Don't want to derail the thread. Talk about the S12 Two in the other thread later.
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    I'm going to buy a solarstorm x2 or some clone in the next week. What is going to be my best bet for a supplier? I've read this whole thread (whew) and it seems like there's been a lot of variation in both light and battery quality depending on where and when you buy - so my question is, if you've purchased recently and got good product, who'd you buy from and what did you buy? I'm willing to buy a light and battery separately, but I'm looking to keep the total under $45...

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    Wow, looks like you could light up the outer reaches of the solar system with all those lights!

    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Ok, I'm testing now !! All Solarstorm lights, x2 power by Xeccon 6 cell 7800mah battery and x3 power by another Xeccon 7800mah battery. Inside test with high powered fan started at 9:50 am.

    Than I decided to also test x2 powered by Gemini 4 cell 5200mah battery and x2 powered by Magicshine 4 cell 5600mah started test at 10:20 am.

    All batteries charged by same Gemini charger, all light s on high setting. The x3 green led at rear of light head goes to 2 within seconds after turning on, so the indicator are not very accurate. Also the rubber bands that come with lights are junk, they will break. The Gemini bands are great !! I think the Xeccon will run the x2 for 6+ hours on high. Will see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by back bowl View Post
    I'm going to buy a solarstorm x2 or some clone in the next week. What is going to be my best bet for a supplier? I've read this whole thread (whew) and it seems like there's been a lot of variation in both light and battery quality depending on where and when you buy - so my question is, if you've purchased recently and got good product, who'd you buy from and what did you buy? I'm willing to buy a light and battery separately, but I'm looking to keep the total under $45...
    There is a chance you may get lucky and get a good battery (last maybe 2 hours on high), but probably not. I doubt you can get a light head and a quality battery for less than $45 unless you get lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbRevolution View Post
    @Kir: this is what I don't get about some of these lights. The culprits are normally 3.7v-4.2v light systems that tend to deplete like a NiMH battery. Isn't the protection circuit in the battery supposed to kick in and shut it down? What is causing it to bypass the safety?
    Protection PCB can fail, but thats probably not the reason for this.
    Different batteries use different protection pcbs, or rather different voltage cutoff levels. Safe level is about 6v (3v per cell), but some pcbs will allow discharge up to 4.8-5v (2.4-2.5v per cell).
    Dual XML lights like SSX use 2 leds connected in series and buck/step-down driver which will work as long as input voltage is higher than the voltage on leds (about 3v for xml, so 6v for 2 leds).
    When input voltage will fall below 6v the light will drop out of regulation and leds will start to dim. At the same time current from battery will decrease too, at 5v SSX2 will take about 0.05A - so this "very dim" stage can last for a very long time.
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    It will look like this.

    This is actually very useful as a secondary protection - you won't be able to discharge your battery lower than ~5v because brightness/current draw will drop to almost zero at this voltage.
    If you want to compare runtimes on different batteries - use SSX3, it should have boost driver (3 leds in series) that will not go out of regulation until the protection pcb activates in battery.

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    One led of my solarstorm x2 stop working.
    Any ideas to the solution?
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    Replace the led, you need to know how to solder or find somebody who does. Or just check the wires and led's soldering to star, it could be a broken contact somewhere.

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    I already check the wires and I don't see any broken.
    How I check the led soldering to star?
    I have to talk with Sunny of lightmalls because the light have only one week.

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    you can measure the voltage on the led as a starting point ...

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    How I do that?

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    If you don't have electrical skill you should let some electrician take a look at that. To measure voltage you need a multimeter and attach plus probe on red cable and minus/black probe on black cable. See this, but take care!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaang View Post
    I already check the wires and I don't see any broken.
    How I check the led soldering to star?
    I have to talk with Sunny of lightmalls because the light have only one week.
    Send it back as a warranty claim... Faulty goods... Easier than fixing it...

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    The shipping costs is more than a new one
    I'm from Portugal.

    Edit: I already talk with the store and they will send a new one for only 7 euros, is more cheaper to me because the shipping costs from portugal to claim the warranty are +/- 20 euros.....

    About the faulty solarstorm x2 i have, you think is the led is damaged?
    Where i can get a new led (with the star) to fix this?
    also need a lens, i let dropped and was chipped.
    The fasttech has several but do not know which indicated

    thanks
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    Thanks for thread guys it helped as I have not been in market for 3 years till now as my MagicShine battery is almost dead.
    I tried this one with my Amex card so I won't get burned.(oops sorry )
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    Buyers beware: my cycling club's mate has just received SSX2 ordered from LightMalls:
    Black Color SolarStorm X2 2*Cree XM-L2 2200-Lumen Led Bike Light Without Battery Pack - Bicycle Lights Lamp Cap - Bicycle Light & Headlamp Worldwide Free Shipping!!!

    Among traditional assembling imperfections, there's also an epic fail: the LED mounting pills are just plain absent! The LEDs inside are literally hanging in the air, with no any thermal sinking at all:




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    Quote Originally Posted by -Archie- View Post
    Buyers beware: my cycling club's mate has just received SSX2 ordered from LightMalls:
    Black Color SolarStorm X2 2*Cree XM-L2 2200-Lumen Led Bike Light Without Battery Pack - Bicycle Lights Lamp Cap - Bicycle Light & Headlamp Worldwide Free Shipping!!!

    Among traditional assembling imperfections, there's also an epic fail: the LED mounting pills are just plain absent! The LEDs inside are literally hanging in the air, with no any thermal sinking at all:
    Damn, that's the one I ordered almost five weeks ago and still haven't received. F these guys.

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    Archie - You sound surprised???


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    Quote Originally Posted by scar View Post
    Archie - You sound surprised???
    Yes, I am. I've seen quite many Chinese lights of various design and different grades of [so to speak] quality: thermal management was excellent, acceptable, barely adequate, mediocre, poor, terrible, anything - but it was present. This time, I'm surprised indeed...

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    I would write lightmalls for sure, mine SSX2 U2 have both alloy pills

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    I would write lightmalls for sure, mine SSX2 U2 have both alloy pills
    Is it just a round disc? I tried to look at the pictures on previous pages, but I didn't really see a picture of that one part by itself. Where did you buy yours?

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    I'm waiting for two of these.......

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    Mine U2's are from lightmalls: SolarStorm/FandyFire X2 - Page 10

    the alloy pill is pretty thick and yes a sort of a round disc press-fitted inside the case

    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Is it just a round disc? I tried to look at the pictures on previous pages, but I didn't really see a picture of that one part by itself. Where did you buy yours?

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    And you buy only the head light from lightmalls?
    I'm waiting for the shipping of two head lights with xm-l2 and I have afraid they don't have thermal protection....
    Do you think is better I talk tho lightmalls send me the xm-l U2 versions because the thermal protection?

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    zaang, yes I bought the light head only. Well maybe you get the one with the correct alloy pill inside.

    BTW is there anyone who can post photos of xm-l2 version of this light from lightmalls? I mean besides this poorly made one :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    Mine U2's are from lightmalls: SolarStorm/FandyFire X2 - Page 10

    the alloy pill is pretty thick and yes a sort of a round disc press-fitted inside the case
    I don't have any kind of machining capability other than a drill, a couple of saws etc. I doubt I could make that kind of disc with any kind of precision. You really need a lathe of some sort. Maybe a hole saw?

    Hopefully I won't get f'ed like Archie's friend.

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    If you can buy (as Kir measured 20 mm) some alloy or copper rod about 20 mm thick, you can try it at least. Or use some 20 mm cent/euro/whatever coin if you get the bad one :-)

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    I think I may be able to get an automotive expansion plug and ram it in there
    Buy Dorman - Autograde Brass Cup-Type Expansion Plug 20mm 565-101.1 at Advance Auto Parts

    I don't even have the light yet. Let's hope I don't have this problem.

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    i'm still waiting on mine from lightmalls. its been a couple weeks. how long did it take you guys to recieve yours in the usa? heres what my tracking looks like:

    the top entry which is the latest happened about a week ago.

    Destination Country - Usa:Tracking Consuming:562 Millisecond
    , , Origin Post is Preparing Shipment

    Origin Country - Singapore:Tracking Consuming:2106 Millisecond, Cache Time:2013/11/04 10:46:20
    28-10-2013, Despatched to overseas (Country code: US)
    22-10-2013, Information Received (This is not an acknowledgment of the physical receipt of the stated Registered Article)

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    I ordered on Sep 30 from lightmalls. I think it took until Oct 18 to leave Singapore. There was some sort of holiday in there though. I still don't have it.

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    Maybe someone wants to help this person get their money back without having to wait weeks/months-

    SolarStorm Light Head and Xeccon S12 Kit - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    I ordered on Sep 30 from lightmalls. I think it took until Oct 18 to leave Singapore. There was some sort of holiday in there though. I still don't have it.
    wow thats long. I was expecting 2-3 weeks. what happens when you use your tracking number on usps.com? mine says "Origin Post is Preparing Shipment", date/time, location are blank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scar View Post
    Maybe someone wants to help this person get their money back without having to wait weeks/months-

    SolarStorm Light Head and Xeccon S12 Kit - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories

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    Thank you Scar. The Xeccon S12 has been sold. The SolarStorm Light Head is still available and ready to ship. I will ship priority mail so someone could receive it in 2-3 days - NOT weeks or months!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe3 View Post
    wow thats long. I was expecting 2-3 weeks. what happens when you use your tracking number on usps.com? mine says "Origin Post is Preparing Shipment", date/time, location are blank.
    Mine says the same. I don't think it will show anything until it's delivered!

    This might be another option for the missing heat disc. They will be slightly too big though.
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    If the pill is 20 mm I would stay with 20 mm. If there will be some freeplay after fitting I would drop some thermal paste between pill, led and housing, but it is something that can be repaired quite easily

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Archie- View Post
    Among traditional assembling imperfections, there's also an epic fail: the LED mounting pills are just plain absent! The LEDs inside are literally hanging in the air, with no any thermal sinking at all:
    Normally the SS uses 16 mm stars. Those look like 20. For the XM-L2s did they run out of 16, and make do with the 20s, but the reflectors wouldn't fit back in, so they took out the pills to make space? Or did your friend just get a really messed up one. Or is the only thing SS on these the case.

    How thick would the pill be normally be, if it were there?

    Hopefully this is an anomaly. As other people get theirs, hopefully they'll check, and report in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_C View Post
    Normally the SS uses 16 mm stars. Those look like 20. For the XM-L2s did they run out of 16, and make do with the 20s, but the reflectors wouldn't fit back in, so they took out the pills to make space? Or did your friend just get a really messed up one. Or is the only thing SS on these the case.

    How thick would the pill be normally be, if it were there?

    Hopefully this is an anomaly. As other people get theirs, hopefully they'll check, and report in.
    ^^Great points!
    The joys of cheapo lights.
    I have a XM-L2 head coming via EBay....I guess I'll take it apart before I use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbRevolution View Post
    My 2¢. There isn't an explosion of bike light manufacturers in Shenzhen. What we are seeing in the past 6 months is a cheaper business model reflected in prices we see. These bike light assemblers get their casings/shells from a handful of suppliers sometimes brand pre-printed. They get their driver boards, reflectors and LEDs from another group of suppliers and then there's batteries and chargers all squeezed into a box set. This is partly the reason why there are price differences with the "same" model on different sites. We also see price difference in same sites at different times. Some here noted different driver boards for the same model they bought within a short time span.


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    Quote Originally Posted by -Archie- View Post
    Yes, I am. I've seen quite many Chinese lights of various design and different grades of [so to speak] quality: thermal management was excellent, acceptable, barely adequate, mediocre, poor, terrible, anything - but it was present. This time, I'm surprised indeed...
    You already talk with lightmalls because the missing thermal pill?
    If yes, what they say?

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    It's not mine. Light's owner will probably contact them...

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    Ok.
    But if possible, give me some feed back when your friend talk with lightmalls

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian_C View Post
    How thick would the pill be normally be, if it were there?
    As I had SS apart, it looked like 2-3 mm thick alloy hardly press fitted in the case. I think somewhere in the thread are some SS photos from Kir.

    Found that here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    As I had SS apart, it looked like 2-3 mm thick alloy hardly press fitted in the case. I think somewhere in the thread are some SS photos from Kir.

    Found that here!
    Yeah, that's the picture I remembered seeing but couldn't find. That recess is what will make that part hard to replace. I think you would need a lathe to make that piece. Then again if they are putting in a 20mm star, when it should have only been 16mm, that piece will need to be entirely different. Just thinking out loud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaang View Post
    Ok.
    But if possible, give me some feed back when your friend talk with lightmalls
    Well, below is LM answer. Enjoy!
    Dear Dmitri
    Thanks , I have sent the pictures to our egineer , he told me that , if the bike light become hot , it will change to low mode , after become cool , you can change it to high mode , as there is a overheating protected systerm with this light , so please don't worry ,
    Best regards
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    Wow, what a pile of BS. Burn in hell lightmalls

    I hope I don't get one of the bad ones, but I have a sinking feeling that I will.

    They are selling XM-L2 version at fasttech also, that's probably a better option. Maybe!

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    Wow thats screwed!

    Does lightmalls realize what the internet is and how people find out about online stores??

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    I have a XM-L2 head coming from e4deals on EBay. I wonder what I'll find inside?

    They just hit NY...so I should have them next week.

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    I'm waiting for two solarstorm headlights from lightmalls

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    A few weeks ago I ordered a x2 complete set from Lightmalls, just to compare to my other x2 light heads I got from ebay. I tried to cancel the order, they said they can't because it has already been shipped. I still have no shipping info !! I will not deal with them again.

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    If mine two come with this issue I will open a paypal dispute. But I hope not......
    My first one burn one led (have the thermal pill), and they give me some discount to buy another one. I buy it (only the headlight) and now I see this........ I will loose my head and make a paypal dispute
    This playing with costumers

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    Yes lathe will do it, but you can try by hand using file (not sure about the right word)?? The thickness of 16 & 20 mm star is similiar, so there won't be a problem. The reflector holds the pill & led from the front side, so just to find the right thickness of the pill, use the thermal paste and you are OK.

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    I just received my lightmalls x2 xml2, and they have pills, although they are a little loose in the enclosure. so i added some thermal compound.

    I think on of bats might be duff though. Might just swap to one of my lipos anyway for peace of mind.

    for 25 quid i like them, although i dont think they are waterproof...but going to carry on using them
    What exactly is a rigid hard tail?

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    You buy the full pack and they have the thermal pills
    The problem is when you buy the headlight only....

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    The usable coins as thermal pills in europe/EU are 5 and 10 cents :-D they are 21 and 19 mm and thick about 1.5 mm, I think you can't get any pill cheaper than that

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    Re: SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    Quote Originally Posted by zaang View Post
    You buy the full pack and they have the thermal pills
    The problem is when you buy the headlight only....
    Ok. I nearly went head only. Well I kind of did as the bats are rubbish on at least 3 of the 4 I bought (2 for me and the others for 2 friends). 2 low on capacity it seems ( one worse than the other) and the other has too many volts. Still the lights seem Ok considering how cheap they are.
    What exactly is a rigid hard tail?

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    I went for head only and I have pills in there ... to don't trust that - it is a lottery as ususal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaang View Post
    You buy the full pack and they have the thermal pills
    The problem is when you buy the headlight only....
    As for now, we know one single case of such incomplete assembling: I don't think it's enough to make any conclusions based on this...

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    I will check mine, I ordered 2 from lightmalls, heads only, should come by next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Mine says the same. I don't think it will show anything until it's delivered!

    This might be another option for the missing heat disc. They will be slightly too big though.
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    I ordered a lighthead only on Oct 14 and when I checked USPS.com today, it said it left the local sort facility Nov 10, which means it could have made it to my local PO this morning and been delivered today. USPS also gave me messages on Nov 8, 9 as it went through a NY sorting facility. As of Nov 7, I was still getting the "Origin Post is Preparing Shipment" message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klydesdale View Post
    I ordered a lighthead only on Oct 14 and when I checked USPS.com today, it said it left the local sort facility Nov 10, which means it could have made it to my local PO this morning and been delivered today. USPS also gave me messages on Nov 8, 9 as it went through a NY sorting facility. As of Nov 7, I was still getting the "Origin Post is Preparing Shipment" message.
    Ha, mine updated also. It looks like it left Kearny NJ on the Nov 8. Hopefully I'll get it in the next few days.

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    mine also updated over the weekend, it should have come today but its veterans day.

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    Mine just showed up.
    Bought it from e4deals on Ebay as a head only. Got to Boston in about 1 week.
    Has the threaded style connector...which has a very loose fit to Magicshine style battery connectors. Are you guys changing or modding the connector?

    EDIT: took a file to the connector and all is well.
    Quick basement test and this thing is bright! ( XM-L2 unit)
    Compared to my Hi-Max single XML U2...it's about the same on the mid setting.
    Looks a little whiter than my 3x clone.
    I guess I have to ride tonight.
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    I finally got it. I ordered it on Sep 29 or 30th from lightmalls, lighthead only with xm-l2. That's a six week wait! There was a holiday in there somewhere.

    I took it apart to see if it had the heat sink pill, and luckily it did! Based on the advice given here, I took it apart and added some thermal compound. I used the stuff that you use between the cpu and the heatsink in a desktop computer. This took much longer than I expected, plus I managed to rip one of the led wires from the driver board. About 45 minutes total.

    The pill sits on this lip, but it moves around a lot when you trying to put it back together. It's tough to get it centered, and honestly I don't think I got it 100% centered when I was finished. Then just when you think you have it, the force of the wires pushes it out of place (I had both the driver and led side open). I ended up getting thermal compound all over the inside of the light. In the end, I'm not sure how effective my repair was, but I suppose it's better than nothing. If you don't have a soldering iron I wouldn't even attempt to do this. The reflectors are a little bit hard to remove and install.

    Here's some pictures for future reference. The pill itself is a complicated shape. One thing I didn't do is to try and remove the led board from the pill. Did you guys do that?
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    should I even take mine apart to check? i dont really want to mess with it unless I have to. or if its going to cause damage to it if I don't add thermal paste. the light should turn off if it gets too hot?

    mine gets delivered today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe3 View Post
    should I even take mine apart to check? i dont really want to mess with it unless I have to. or if its going to cause damage to it if I don't add thermal paste. the light should turn off if it gets too hot?

    mine gets delivered today.
    Just take the front part of the light off. You can then take the glass in front of the reflector off, and take out the rubber ring. Then you take the reflector out with a micro screwdriver, you have pry it out gently. Then you will be able to see if you have the aluminum pill (third picture).

    Do you have to add thermal compound? I don't know to be honest. I was just being on the safe side. You do have to careful with the wires.

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    I planned to take mine apart...but why bother?
    I'll take it apart if it fails.
    Great light!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post

    EDIT: took a file to the connector and all is well.
    Yeah, I took a razor blade and file to the black ring that slides into the battery connector. I also trimmed the white o-ring. It was a super tight fit into a standard magicshine battery, but now it works much better. I was worried about stretching out the battery's connector before.


    This light is definitely bright. It's also a much smaller body than I expected. The switch has a nice positive click to it, with instantaneous mode changes. The flash is actually useful, i.e. slow, and is accessed by a multi-second hold.

    Very good buy at $28.05 for the light-head only.

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    The best place to get them are ebay idem # 261287007964. 20.00 bucks for light head, free shipping. They only take about 8 days to you. Great seller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    The best place to get them are ebay idem # 261287007964. 20.00 bucks for light head, free shipping. They only take about 8 days to you. Great seller.
    That is the older U2 LED. I got the XM-L2 for $5 more

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Yeah, I took a razor blade and file to the black ring that slides into the battery connector. I also trimmed the white o-ring. It was a super tight fit into a standard magicshine battery, but now it works much better. I was worried about stretching out the battery's connector before.


    Very good buy at $28.05 for the light-head only.
    I just took the o-ring off. I might hit the hardware store and get a thinner o ring.
    And yeah...I didn't want to stretch the battery connectors so my other lights will still work with them.
    I got mine for $25....and I'm sure they'll be cheaper in a few weeks.

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    Hi!

    I'm looking for a bar light, has anyone tried this one?

    LetterFire LF-22 2 x CREE XM-L T6 1000lm 3-Mode White Bicycle Headlight - Black (4 x 18650) - Free Shipping - DealExtreme

    It has an OP refector, so it shoud have a wider beam...

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    I would go for 3 XML clone or these 2 XML clones (SS X2, MJ 880, yinding) with TIR lenses instead of alloy reflectors. You can set the width of the beam in many different ways from 5 to 120 degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    I would go for 3 XML clone or these 2 XML clones (SS X2, MJ 880, yinding) with TIR lenses instead of alloy reflectors. You can set the width of the beam in many different ways from 5 to 120 degree.
    Thank's MK96!

    I understand the yinding already comes with TIR lenses and I like the beam patern, but i'm more inclined to the MJ-880 clone beacuse I prefer the UI (not having to go trough off while changing modes)

    I might go for the MJ-880 clone and then try to change the optics if i'm not happy with the beam patern.

    I'm planning to use the ligth on the bars with a MJ808 Clone with OP reflector on the helmet I already have

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    is there going to be a noticeable difference between the U2 and L2 versions? I'm asking for a friend cause I don't think he'll want to wait 3-4 weeks for the L2 when the U2 can be had in 8 days like dgw7000 says.

    used the L2 from lightmalls last night, pretty bright. battery only lasts an hour though. ordered this battery to replace it:

    Amazon.com: Replacement 8.4V 6600mAh Rechargeable Battery Pack for Headlamp & Bicycle Light: Sports & Outdoors

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    IMHO the difference will be barely noticable at this current. If you drive it harder, there will be some difference - but the L2 needs to be on a copper plate. Now you can get L2 T6 in 3A/B/C or 4C tints which are neutral white, L2 U2 is just blueish 0A/D or 1A/D tint. You can upgrade emitters at any time for about $10-12, so go for which one you like.
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    I have thinking the same thing about the difference between the u2 and the new L2 led, so I ordered the L2 light head only from e4deals like "the Mayor" pointed out. Looks like shipping time is about the same as I had with Outdoorlights from ebay. I will not order from Lightmalls again, people waiting 6 weeks is crazy !! As far as the screw cap on connector of light head I just put some heat from a lighter and it slips right over battery connector. The heat will allow it to form around making a good tight fit, did this to all 5 of mine.
    Also you will not get a good battery for 20 bucks, spend 40 bucks you will !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    I have thinking the same thing about the difference between the u2 and the new L2 led, so I ordered the L2 light head only from e4deals like "the Mayor" pointed out. Looks like shipping time is about the same as I had with Outdoorlights from ebay. I will not order from Lightmalls again, people waiting 6 weeks is crazy !! As far as the screw cap on connector of light head I just put some heat from a lighter and it slips right over battery connector. The heat will allow it to form around making a good tight fit, did this to all 5 of mine.
    Also you will not get a good battery for 20 bucks, spend 40 bucks you will !!
    if you stretch the battery connectors out for the x2's connector it would make them loose on other lights though? or did you order 5 x2's?

    that battery i linked people say lasts easy for 120 mins on the 3x clone, so might get 3 hrs on the solarstorm. all I need is 2 hrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe3 View Post
    if you stretch the battery connectors out for the x2's connector it would make them loose on other lights though? or did you order 5 x2's?

    that battery i linked people say lasts easy for 120 mins on the 3x clone, so might get 3 hrs on the solarstorm. all I need is 2 hrs.
    Yes...it will make the battery useless with other lights....which is why I took a minute to file my light connector down.

    Don't know which battery you are referring to...but I used the battery that came with my Hi-Max light which is a claimed 4 * 18650/4400MAH and it ran my SSx2 for over 2 hours ( I plan to let it run tonight to see how much more time was left)

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    A few day ago my solarstorm x2 XM-L2 from lightmalls burn one led on the first 10 minutes of a ride (I post a photo a few days ago), today I go to a night ride and after 5 minutes the other led burn to.
    Any one have this problems with this product from lightmalls?
    Fault products maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    It has the older LED...and who knows what for a battery.

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    SSX2 Connector problems

    I noticed the other day that if you have the standard SSX2 with the screw cap plug connector that that the connection with a standard Magicshine type ( female ) plug is not really a tight fit. It will work but since the connection is not as tight as it should be I noticed that the number of lit green led's indicators will vary depending on how well you get the plug to connect with the other ( female ) MS type plug. This goes to show that even a minor loose connection can cause enough of a voltage drop to effect the voltage monitoring. Not a big deal but if the wire moves and loosens the connection you might think you are running out of run time when indeed it is just a connection problem. I thought this worth noting.

    As others have done it might be worth modding the plug or just replacing the plug with a standard MS type plug. I just received one of the Nitefire Hero2's. This is a lamp similar in design to the SSX2 only with three XM-L's. It too has the same plug problem but a bit more severe than the one on the SSX2. I'll likely try filing down the first plastic ring and if that doesn't work I'll probably just replace the plug.

    For the life of me I don't know why the Chinese decided to step away from the standard Magicshine type plug. The MS type plugs worked fine. Big mistake on their part. Would be nice if someone sold a ready made adapter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiGeo View Post
    There you go. It's the little things that can make a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaang View Post
    A few day ago my solarstorm x2 XM-L2 from lightmalls burn one led on the first 10 minutes of a ride (I post a photo a few days ago), today I go to a night ride and after 5 minutes the other led burn to.
    Any one have this problems with this product from lightmalls?
    Fault products maybe?
    O Oh. Did you take it apart and look at it?

    I haven't ridden with mine yet.

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    The led have a black dot, and when I turn it on he make a small spark. It's burned

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaang View Post
    The led have a black dot, and when I turn it on he make a small spark. It's burned
    Yeah ... that sounds broken

    You have lost the Chinese light roulette. Please play again!

    Is there adequate heat sinking from the led to the body? I have a feeling that they cooked themselves to death.

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    Update on the ones I ordered.

    I ordered 4 X2 from light malls. Batteries are 2s2p. All of th are about 2000mah or the abouts. Pretty poor for 2s2p, but buy the fact they are all like.it I assume.they are.just low capacity cells. I did some cycle tests taking 0.7A down to 6v. And also testing one till the led flashed.on the head. One battery pack had a dodgy pcb. So that one will one get modified to remove the protection.
    What exactly is a rigid hard tail?

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    Sorry for typing/spelling. Used my phone to reply
    What exactly is a rigid hard tail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Yeah ... that sounds broken

    You have lost the Chinese light roulette. Please play again!

    Is there adequate heat sinking from the led to the body? I have a feeling that they cooked themselves to death.

    The photo of the second burned led XM-L2

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaang View Post
    The photo of the second burned led XM-L2

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    I can't tell what's going on in that picture. I don't have that much experience diagnosing led problems. I don't think there is much you can do, is there? You can replace the led's, but how do you know it won't do it again?

    Can someone help out zaang?

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    Just received a SolarStorm X2 that I purchased from Newegg. Of course the supplied battery is subpar, but even when I attach the light to quality batteries ( Gemini Duo 2 cell, and Xecocon 6 cell) it draws down very quickly. Just did a test and I can get 1 hr on the Gemini battery and a little over 2 hrs on the Xeccon Both batteries are new and fully charged...

    What is causing the big draw of power? Light is run on HIGH power and in front of a fan...No real extreme heat on the unit.

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    One thing I noticed and don't like is the insulation of the both + and - cables - too stripped down. Seems to me that it was driven under conditions out of cree specs. Poinitng to the bad driver - excessive voltage. Some info here and also here. Also happened to one of my Cree XR-E torches driven at 8.4V and 0.9A - but the blue color of the led was noticeable ;-) Now it has some stains when working under normal conditions - but I experimented on my own to see what comes. If the driver is bad, they might burn again. If there is weak heat transfer they also might burn again

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    Its all very simple really - you're buying THE cheapest lights so you're getting THE worst quality. And whats even worse - some of you are saying things like:
    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    I planned to take mine apart...but why bother?
    I'll take it apart if it fails.
    Great light!
    If you're buying light for $20 - you should open it up and fix everything before using it...because it WILL need to be fixed.

    These wires are way too thin for 2+A current so you should replace them. Insulation is stripped too much so wires can short circuit on aluminium star and burn out the driver. These pills are supposed to be press-fitted into the case but that costs money - so they aren't. You should apply thermal paste between them and the casing to avoid led burnouts like on this picture (melted plastic spacer is a good indicator that led reached very high temp).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kir View Post
    Its all very simple really - you're buying THE cheapest lights so you're getting THE worst quality. And whats even worse - some of you are saying things like:

    If you're buying light for $20 - you should open it up and fix everything before using it...because it WILL need to be fixed.
    To each his own.
    I bought a $20 light because it's disposable,
    Some ...like you...buy it for a DIY project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post

    I took it apart to see if it had the heat sink pill, and luckily it did!

    Are you able to show in your pics, where you applied the thermal compound?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pigmode View Post
    Are you able to show in your pics, where you applied the thermal compound?
    There's a small lip (see pictures 10 and 11 on previous page) where the pill rests. I tried to cover that surface entirely. It's tough to see on the pictures because I couldn't get the camera to focus on that one spot. It's pretty obvious once you take it apart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the mayor View Post
    To each his own.
    I bought a $20 light because it's disposable,
    Some ...like you...buy it for a DIY project.
    I agree. When I buy I lamp for $25 I will use it till it fails. IF..something fails on the lamp I can then disassemble and try my hand at modding OR just buy another.

    Food for thought...These lamps are so inexpensive you can afford to buy an extra for back up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I agree. When I buy I lamp for $25 I will use it till it fails. IF..something fails on the lamp I can then disassemble and try my hand at modding OR just buy another.

    Food for thought...These lamps are so inexpensive you can afford to buy an extra for back up.
    Even for $25 it should last at least a few months, in my opinion. zaang's light failed very quickly and archie's friend's light was missing a key heat sink. That's total BS. I'm not in to wasting money and the disposable culture.

    I've been using a $30 MS 872 clone multiple times a week for the last six months. If it broke now, I would say it got my money worth and I wouldn't be too disappointed. Hopefully the X2 will have the same track record.

    I think most of the problems have been with the xm-l2 version also. I'm not sure that we are seeing the xm-l2 version straight from the factory. I think these have all been after-manufacture modifications. So maybe the best policy is to stay away from the xm-l2 version for now.

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    You can buy $25 light and use it till it fails on the road in a few days leaving you in darkness and a long distance from home.
    Or you can buy $35 light that won't have any thermal problems and will work for at least 1 year.
    Or you can buy $25 light, spend 10 minutes to fix it and it'll work fine for at least 1 year too.

    Choices, choices...

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    Yes I agreed and I maybe buy a XML U2 version from dx. A few friends have this one and no issues.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kir View Post
    You can buy $25 light and use it till it fails on the road in a few days leaving you in darkness and a long distance from home.
    Or you can buy $35 light that won't have any thermal problems and will work for at least 1 year.
    Or you can buy $25 light, spend 10 minutes to fix it and it'll work fine for at least 1 year too.

    Choices, choices...
    I think you've been sniffing too much solder....

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    No, he is right ;-) Kir just wrote some of the choices. I would take the third one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kir View Post
    You can buy $25 light and use it till it fails on the road in a few days leaving you in darkness and a long distance from home.
    Or you can buy $35 light that won't have any thermal problems and will work for at least 1 year.
    Or you can buy $25 light, spend 10 minutes to fix it and it'll work fine for at least 1 year too.

    Choices, choices...
    Although I enjoy reading your technical posts here....^^that is just bunghole dribble.

    There's a difference between a $25 light and $35 one? You can get the same light from 2 different vendors for very different prices....or you can get a poorer quality light for a higher price. It's a crap shoot.

    And you can't tell how long a light is going to last....whether it's untouched or if you mod it. I've had brand new high $$$ lights fail within a few hours.

    I always run 2 lights....so I'm not too worried about being left in the dark.

    I think it's great that you like to monkey with your cheap lights. Have at it.

    If I wanted a DIY project...I'd copy a lot of your ideas....or start from scratch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Even for $25 it should last at least a few months, in my opinion. zaang's light failed very quickly and archie's friend's light was missing a key heat sink. That's total BS. I'm not in to wasting money and the disposable culture.

    I've been using a $30 MS 872 clone multiple times a week for the last six months. If it broke now, I would say it got my money worth and I wouldn't be too disappointed. Hopefully the X2 will have the same track record.

    I think most of the problems have been with the xm-l2 version also. I'm not sure that we are seeing the xm-l2 version straight from the factory. I think these have all been after-manufacture modifications. So maybe the best policy is to stay away from the xm-l2 version for now.
    Even Zaang, ( who has posted only in this thread ) initially said that he had friends who owned one and that they had no problems. About Archie's friend; Any of us know him or know how much he knows about electronics and modding these kind's of lamps. Hey, whatever....Stuff happens. As I see it it's still "Business as usual". A Chinese lamp is still a "CHINESE" lamp.

    No one is claiming that the SSX2's are "above average" in design or reliability. Of the thousands that are sold there are going to be people getting them that will have problems. That said these are the most inexpensive lamps available. Since these continue to be popular I wouldn't let the misfortune of a few keep me from buying one if I were in the market for a cheap lamp and only had about $40 to spend. Even if you did get a dud ( the first time ) if you roll the dice again and buy a second I think it highly unlikely you would get another bad one...just saying. You can buy a better more reliable brand name light but that will mean more money up front. You can buy two of the cheap Chinese lamps and still not spend the money you did for a single brand name lamp. Choices, choices...indeed.

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    I'm thinking of buying a solarstorm x2, I'm thonking of buying from ebay: SKYRAY SolarStorm 2x CREE XML U2 LED Bike Bicycle HeadLamp Light +4x 18650 D0145 | eBay
    Do you think it has a good price? Do you think it has good quality for the price it costs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianhims View Post
    I'm thinking of buying a solarstorm x2, I'm thonking of buying from ebay: SKYRAY SolarStorm 2x CREE XML U2 LED Bike Bicycle HeadLamp Light +4x 18650 D0145 | eBay
    Do you think it has a good price? Do you think it has good quality for the price it costs?
    That's the U2 version. I picked up a XM_L2 version as a head only for $25. Buy a good battery and you're good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kir View Post
    You can buy $25 light and use it till it fails on the road in a few days leaving you in darkness and a long distance from home.
    Or you can buy $35 light that won't have any thermal problems and will work for at least 1 year.
    Or you can buy $25 light, spend 10 minutes to fix it and it'll work fine for at least 1 year too.

    Choices, choices...
    should always use two lights, even a super duper $500 light can fail.

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    Mine has arrived from LM but DOA - connect the battery & the lights around the button illuminate but nothing from the LEDs, awaiting a reply from LM.
    Anyone else had this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    About Archie's friend; Any of us know him or know how much he knows about electronics and modding these kind's of lamps.
    While I'm agree with most of your message, the quoted statement really surprised me... In your opinion, his electronic skills could have any relation to the missing components in delivered light?

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    I got my SS x2 xm-l2 from Lightmalls yesterday (3 weeks delivery to Sweden). My lamp do HAVE those heat sink pills! I was thinking of doing a semi Kir modification and add some thermal paste / grease / compound / glue between the pill and the casing . However, I'm just a DIY newbie in china lights and I was wondering what kind of compound (paste, grease or glue. Is there a difference?) I should use for these pills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Archie- View Post
    While I'm agree with most of your message, the quoted statement really surprised me... In your opinion, his electronic skills could have any relation to the missing components in delivered light?
    Arch, I'm not intending to offend anyone. I'm just expressing doubt. Now if the person mentioned has taken many of these apart and has clearly seen a difference between the others and the one with the so-called missing part...well, I'll owe your friend an apology. In the mean time there is a big difference between missing parts and a potential design difference. Only real way to know for sure is to order another from the same place. If they are the same then it is by design ( for better or worse ). Keep in mind different sellers will sometimes order stock to certain specifications. Different drivers, LED bins, buttons, O-rings, wire gauge, etc...etc.. Wouldn't surprise me to see a lamp ordered by the seller with a *lousy heat sink design in an attempt to save money. ( *see Kir's review of the D99 )

    Oh and Arch, skill and knowledge are two different things. My comment pertained to knowledge. Since I don't know your friend personally it's understandable to question the person's knowledge. Just because you can tear something apart doesn't mean you understand what the manufacturers had in mind when they built it. Now if your friend just wants to say it's a poor design with lousy heat sinking...THAT I can accept at face value but only because it fits what is already known about these kind of lamps.

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    I'd suppose, in some cases knowledge and expirience is required indeed - but we are talking about quite simple matters here.

    As yet another example, I remember a photo of opened chinese "2s2p" battery where half of cells were substituted by hollow tubes: in such case, one don't have to be an expert with background of thousand previously opened batteries to recognize piece of junk - and it doesn't matter whether it was done "by design": it's clearly still the attempt to sell garbage, looking identical to the 'real thing' at first glance.

    Abovementioned SSX2 without pills is the same story...

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Archie- View Post
    I'd suppose, in some cases knowledge and expirience is required indeed - but we are talking about quite simple matters here.

    As yet another example, I remember a photo of opened chinese "2s2p" battery where half of cells were substituted by hollow tubes: in such case, one don't have to be an expert with background of thousand previously opened batteries to recognize piece of junk - and it doesn't matter whether it was done "by design": it's clearly still the attempt to sell garbage, looking identical to the 'real thing' at first glance.

    Abovementioned SSX2 without pills is the same story...
    Not disagreeing about the lamp issue but the battery example you mention is a horse of a different color. A battery is a battery. There are good ones and not so good ones BUT they are still batteries either way. Adding wooden pieces or sand in an attempt to deceive is obvious fraud. Now if you buy a cheap Chinese battery claiming to be 6600mah and it's only 3500mAh you got a poor battery using poor cells...But...it's still a battery, just poor quality. If you buy a battery and half the cells aren't batteries but wood or something else, in all likelyhood it isn't even going to work. In this case you clearly got ripped off. Then again batteries and lamps are two different things and it has been well known for sometime that there are deceptive battery markets. This is why I am always wary on where I buy batteries from...( although from time to time I am known to roll the dice if I think I'm getting a good deal ).

    The D99 came with the LED's just mounted on a circuit board. The circuit board sat on a thin lip that only supported the board on the sides. The way I look at it you can't get much worse than that as far as poor thermal paths go. Still the lamp works. Will it last? Anyone's guess. All depends on how it's used. Would I buy another? On this I have to speculate. If I used it on a regular basis and it continued to work without problem or other issue...probably...unless of course someone else sells another $25 light I like more...

    We do of course disagree on what is "junk"..Hey, to each their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Not disagreeing about the lamp issue but the battery example you mention is a horse of a different color.
    -snip-
    If you buy a battery and half the cells aren't batteries but wood or something else, in all likelyhood it isn't even going to work.
    Mentioned battery worked perfectly - exactly like SSX2 we're speaking about! In 2s2p configuration, you can safely omit half of cells: just be careful which ones to replace by dummy ones. Resulting 2s1p battery will accept charge and provide power to the load: everything fine, everyone happy.

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    Well my "Ebay" light lasted about 5 minutes, 2 of those where shining stuff around the house and 3 where in a bike ride! The pics show some real shady work. This is the SolarStorm 5000 Lm 2 x CREE XM-L U2 LED from Ebay.


    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2-1.jpgSolarStorm/FandyFire X2-2.jpgSolarStorm/FandyFire X2-3.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    No one is claiming that the SSX2's are "above average" in design or reliability. Of the thousands that are sold there are going to be people getting them that will have problems. That said these are the most inexpensive lamps available. Since these continue to be popular I wouldn't let the misfortune of a few keep me from buying one if I were in the market for a cheap lamp and only had about $40 to spend. Even if you did get a dud ( the first time ) if you roll the dice again and buy a second I think it highly unlikely you would get another bad one...just saying. You can buy a better more reliable brand name light but that will mean more money up front. You can buy two of the cheap Chinese lamps and still not spend the money you did for a single brand name lamp. Choices, choices...indeed.
    I see where you are coming from, and I agree with you for the most part. I do draw the line on missing parts, such as the crucial heat sink pill in this light. You are still spending money on something, and it should at least work out of the box. I think we should at least hold Chinese manufacturers to that standard.

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    Seems to be the third version of the driver at minimum The soldering is of a very poor quality indeed - just check the main red power wire and resistors R100 R010.

    Quote Originally Posted by OPC View Post
    Well my "Ebay" light lasted about 5 minutes, 2 of those where shining stuff around the house and 3 where in a bike ride! The pics show some real shady work. This is the SolarStorm 5000 Lm 2 x CREE XM-L U2 LED from Ebay.

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    That's what I'm not sure off... Checked voltage at the transistors Q1, Q2 (SOT-23) with Oscilloscope and we had 8V+, checked voltage at the soldering points for the LED (L1, L1-, L2, L2-) and did not get the same, We had 6V and 8V, now for Resistors R100 and R010 they seem to be in parallel and the soldering job as terrible as it looks seems to be making pretty good contact. As far as the LEDs go, one is lit fully but extremely weak (maybe half a lumen if that) while the side that is not lit has one tiny section the size of pin head that lights and nothing else. That side rotates so So i'm thinking that its just fried due to the heat and since it seems to be lose it did not have good heat dissipation.

    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    Seems to be the third version of the driver at minimum The soldering is of a very poor quality indeed - just check the main red power wire and resistors R100 R010.

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    If L1,L1- and L2,L2- is each for one LED, they should be about 2.8-3.5V each. If you measured 6 and 8V the second LED will also burn quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    If L1,L1- and L2,L2- is each for one LED, they should be about 2.8-3.5V each. If you measured 6 and 8V the second LED will also burn quickly.
    Checked again... "good" side has +2.45Vdc and "Bad" side +5.85Vdc this is at the highest setting. Looking under a microscope the board is extremely dirty, probably some type of "no clean" flux and soldering but I do see possible tin whiskers around every component including the "no name" IC or it could be external contamination of some sorts. It really looks like every component is fuzzy . Will try to clean it with DI water although I'm not sure if I should proceed since I already contacted the seller about it, however I can aim the thermal camera at it and see if I detect any heat spots. Either way I'm ordering one from Amazon so Amazon.com: SecurityIng® Super Bright 3 X CREE XM-L T6 3600Lm 4 Modes White LED Bike Lamp Cree LED Headlight Solid Bicycle Light and Powerful Headlamp with 8.4V Battery Pack and US Plug Charger Set For Outdoor Hiking, Riding, Camping and Other Activi that way I can deal directly with them instead of the Chinese company.

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    Do you have loose led's pills too?
    https://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/li...l2_smaller.jpg - these ones, can you lift them up like this after removing the reflectors?

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    SecurityIng was one of the better makers ( if they really do make them) of the 3x lamps. Although, they have changed the body ( and who knows what else inside).
    I have seen their head only for around $25. If it's as good as the 1 I've had for about a year....it's a great light. IF being the operative word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kir View Post
    Do you have loose led's pills too?
    https://fcdn.mtbr.com/attachments/li...l2_smaller.jpg - these ones, can you lift them up like this after removing the reflectors?
    Both are like that! It seems I'm not the only one with that issue then.

    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2-4.jpg

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    Well, even if this is a little more expensive ($43) I rather buy from Amazon since I have Amazon Prime I will get the 2 day free shipping and If anything happens I can return to amazon instead of dealing with the ebay vendor in China... It's what I probably should have done in the first place but some of my coworkers purchased them from ebay and they had no problems, so it's whatever random shop they get them from that has the bad QA.

    Only thing is how to hide it from the wife hahaha.

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    Well this is your problem - pills like this don't offer good thermal transfer by themselves, you have to add thermal paste on them to avoid led overheating and burnout.
    Driver pcb looks ok...yes, the soldering is horrible but it should work fine. Problem is that new SSX2s have such horrible "improvements" to keep the cost down that leds are overheating in most of them.

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    Great! Are we talking about the thermal paste that you would add to a CPU Heatsink? They are going to send me a replacement Lamp minus the charger and battery so I can "fix" this one before the same problem happens again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kir View Post
    Well this is your problem - pills like this don't offer good thermal transfer by themselves, you have to add thermal paste on them to avoid led overheating and burnout.
    Driver pcb looks ok...yes, the soldering is horrible but it should work fine. Problem is that new SSX2s have such horrible "improvements" to keep the cost down that leds are overheating in most of them.

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    Yes, this same thermal paste that CPU use.

    @Kir isn't the voltage on the bad side too much - 5.8V? Or this number is just because the bad side is not under load?

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    Can I use this thermal paste from coolermaster?
    I received today the solarstorm x2 XM-L2 (headlamp only) from lightmalls and I hope this one don't burn the leds...... (Another version of the driver I think)


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    Of course you can :-)

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    SolarStorm/FandyFire X2

    Done

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    So your pills were loose in that light from LM?

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    Yes, exactly like the photos on post #541

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    I think that most of them have loose pills. Also mine were loose, ordered from aliexpress when first cheap SSX2 appeared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakes View Post
    I think that most of them have loose pills. Also mine were loose, ordered from aliexpress when first cheap SSX2 appeared.
    I think they are made to be loose. I think they become tighter when you screw in the front bezel.

    Is that what you are guys are talking about?

    Also, I think the back of the pill has a certain shape which does not exactly match the shape of the lip.

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    I think that when you screw in the front bezel, reflectors push the pills to the lip.
    If I am not wrong Kir wrote in his review that he got light with press fitted pills, they were not loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakes View Post
    I think that when you screw in the front bezel, reflectors push the pills to the lip.
    If I am not wrong Kir wrote in his review that he got light with press fitted pills, they were not loose.
    I haven't taken the time ( yet ) to pull the front off of mine but if these lamps have loose pills it was probably decided by the manufacturer to do it this way just to save money. This probably explains why they're going for only $26 for a lamp head.

    If the pill is loose ( when the front is removed ) I wouldn't consider this too unusual. Not the ideal situation but it will still work as long as the pill is pushed tight enough against the back of the lamp when assembled. It just won't be as efficient if the pills were sealed to the back with thermal paste. Seeing these lamps are pretty easy to take apart adding a little thermal paste might not be a bad idea. On the few times I've used my SSX2 I've noticed that the output drops once the lamp heats up. Most lamps do this so once again this is not unusual. It was just more noticeable with the X2. Getting better thermal transferal could perhaps lessen this effect.

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    got my stuff from lightmalls today, had to pick it up at the post office. Somehow the postage translated to USPS registered mail, which requires a signature. I got 2 xml2-u2 solarstorms - heads only, 1 red 1 black. I don't have a battery yet, I got the 4 cell cases shown here from dx.com(the panovo ones), just waiting on my panny cells from amazon. It took 20 days from order date for me to get it, technically 19 when usps left a notice, not bad(i did not order with batteries, head only). I ordered from fasttech before hand on a package a full week earlier, and I still haven't received it - but it went through san fran usps instead of east coast, and it's still lurking in sf.


    I took mine apart, 1 is solid, the other (red) is a little iffy. It seems on my red one they used 2 different size reflectors, and tried to shove in 2 pieces of glass in there to make up for it, and no rubber gasket. I probably should see if I can get another properly size reflector and another gasket and put it together properly, but it should function just fine.

    Both units seems to have a solid secure heat sync in them tho, and judging by the 2 leads to the led chip vs 3 according to the cree wiki, they are indeed xm-l2 cree leds.

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    Can't wait to get my cells to try it!
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    I got my SSx2 XM-L2 complete battery & light in today from fasttec (ordered nov 16th). Opened it up to check the pills and there does not appear to be any, as it looks exactly like the one pictured earlier in this thread here. same star shape and everything. Each side had two clear circular lenses with a small o-ring between them, i'm guessing they put the second lens there to take up the space that the pill would have used.

    I'm planning to try to rig up a pill before using it so it won't overheat, and I've only turned it on briefly when I got it so hopefully it is still ok. The inside of the casing appears to have two sets of lips on each side, a small one just above what looks like the main lip- in which the star was resting against when I opened it. Trying out some coins to use as a pill, I found that a US nickel was close, but got caught on the first smaller lip so it wouldn't go in far enough to sit against the main lip. I then found some foreign coins and that a mexican $1 peso coin will fit past the first and perfectly on the second rim!

    So if i go this route, I'm guessing I will have to drill two holes in the coin, then cut or de-sodder the wires to put through the hole, then sodder the wires back in place? If so, would it be better to cut the wire in the middle and put it together, or desodder from star? I don't want to damage the led so am worried to work too close to it. I was also thinking of maybe cutting a notch out on opposite ends of the coin to slip the wires in place witout taking any of them apart, would this work? There would be slightly less contact with the case, but might be much easier. I would then put some thermal paste between coin & the star, and along the coin edge/casing for either route... Are there any other simple solutions?

    This doesn't appear to be a wide-spread problem from reading though this post, so maybe I am one of the few that lost the 'chinese light lottery' but hopefully I can still make it work! So if you have a ssx2 on the way it might be worth taking a look under the hood before you use it! I will post pics when i can, but this is my first post (i've been a long time lurker though) Any other advice on what to do is appreciated! Thanks!

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    That sucks that you got one of the bad ones, especially from fasttech. I thought it was a lightmalls problem only. What a bunch of bums! It's good you took it apart before turning it on.

    I would just cut two notches in the coin instead of messing around with the desoldering and soldering. That's just me though.

    I think you have probably found the best solution with the Mexican peso. I would try to smooth out the surface of the coin so that you get the best thermal connection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    That sucks that you got one of the bad ones, especially from fasttech. I thought it was a lightmalls problem only.
    Both of them are resellers, not manufacturers. I'm pretty sure you have chances to get a lemon from any Eastern web shop...

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    They restocked from a bad source

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Archie- View Post
    Both of them are resellers, not manufacturers. I'm pretty sure you have chances to get a lemon from any Eastern web shop...
    Yes, you are right.

    I was hoping that fasttech purchased direct from the manufacturer unmodified. My theory was that there was a third party that modified the lights to add the xm-l2 emitters, and these were the people that messing up the lights by removing the pill etc. Obviously that's not the case. Whoever is making these bad modifications is selling them all over the place, i.e lightmalls fasttech and probably others. Maybe these guys just made a bad batch, or maybe there are multiple groups making batches and only one group who makes the bad ones. I would hope the bad ones aren't coming directly from the original manufacturer. I guess there's no way of knowing.

    Anyway, if you are getting a bad ones I hope you leave massive negative feedback on the sellers page. Make them learn the hard way.

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    Guys I have done a review of two X2 SOLARSTORM bought from two different e-bay UK sellers, first one had a faulty battery, second one had a better battery but the head had less output. I have posted some run times with green led recording as well as some outdoor shots. See
    http://forums.mtbr.com/general-discu...ew-888049.html
    I am looking for a better 4 cell battery pack to give me 2 hours on full, can anyone advise as what to get here in the UK, This is to be mounted on an helmet so would prefer pack in a soft bag instead of hard box. Falling this I may have to build my own pack out of Panasonic batteries, as anyone done this and could advise on the build.

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    Mine have loose pills too.

    Just used it for its first proper ride (with the faulty battery protection pcb bypassed), I like the beam for helmet use. I even mounted the battery on the helmet too to avoid the wire round the neck tied to my bag irritations . worked quite well.
    What exactly is a rigid hard tail?

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    This might suit your needs:

    PANNOVO B-C04 Water Resistant 4 x 18650 Battery Pack Case for Bike Lamp - Black - Free Shipping - DealExtreme

    $16.36 3.7V 3400mAh NCR18650B Protected Rechargeable Lithium Battery(Panasonic Battery Cell)-2 pack

    4 cells have about 6800 mAh, if the light takes 2A on high, you get about 3 hrs runtime.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skyraider59 View Post
    I am looking for a better 4 cell battery pack to give me 2 hours on full, can anyone advise as what to get here in the UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    Thats the holder i have on the way. My X2 takes about 1.44A on full power at 8.44V on a bench power supply.
    What exactly is a rigid hard tail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post

    I had my eyes on this holder but I understand that there is no protection circuit build in the holder, but I presume this would not be a problem if I use protected cells? Can someone confirm, also would I be able to charge it as a pack with the X2 1 amp charger or would I need to remove the batteries to charge them individually??? I have a Jetbeam I4pro charger as well, but it is easier to charge as a pack.
    A negative point about the Pannovo box is the usual super slow service from DX, at best of time we are talking a month from order to delivery to the UK!
    I have also read that li-ion batteries are no longer accepted by royal mail, causing some of the Chinese retailer not to send batteries anymore??
    I have also found a samsung battery pack here in the UK. kind of more money that I would really want to pay, but this is an other option. As anyone used them?
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    I purchased a solarstorm xml-U2 off ebay. (seller william20131788 from Hong Kong - arrived in 10 days) I opened it up to check for pills, and proper assy.
    What I found was interesting, I do have pills, and they are threaded in. (see the pic of the back)
    The LEDs have round boards, and have XML-U2 lettered on the board, but they are the whiteish emitters, that were identified as XML2 earlier in the thread (XML-U2 are greenish?).
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    Beware that william20131788 does charge shipping, so bid accordingly if you buy from him on ebay.
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    ... and you have got the 4th version of the driver I have seen among SS X2 lights

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingerdawg View Post
    Beware that william20131788 does charge shipping, so bid accordingly if you buy from him on ebay.
    I've browsed his items for sale: the SS X2 offered in several variants, ranging in price from $25.80 (free shipping) to $47.36 ($35.00 + $12.36 shipping). Why not to indicate exact item number you've got?

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    Okie dokie.
    3200 LM 2X CREE XML LED Bike Bicycle Headlight Flashlight Light X2 Solarstorm NE | eBay
    I paid $6.99 + $12.36 shipping.
    This one was in the "Flashlights" catagory, not bike lights catagory.
    Quote Originally Posted by -Archie- View Post
    I've browsed his items for sale: the SS X2 offered in several variants, ranging in price from $25.80 (free shipping) to $47.36 ($35.00 + $12.36 shipping). Why not to indicate exact item number you've got?

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    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gingerdawg View Post
    Okie dokie.
    3200 LM 2X CREE XML LED Bike Bicycle Headlight Flashlight Light X2 Solarstorm NE | eBay
    I paid $6.99 + $12.36 shipping.
    This one was in the "Flashlights" catagory, not bike lights catagory.
    Head only, what battery pack do you use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyraider59 View Post
    Head only, what battery pack do you use?
    I picked up one of the Panovo battery boxes that use 4 individual 18650 cells. I charge them independantly, not as a pack.
    I use Panasonic 18650 cells.

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    Can you do me a very big favour and let me know what weight is the pack inc batteries is and pack dimensions. This is to be mounted on my helmet and I fear this will be too big and heavy!

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    Well, the battery is a lot heavier than I would want on my helmet. My cheap digital scale has the Panovo box, 4 x 18650 cells and the battery bag weighing in at 11 1/4 oz or 320 grams.
    The solarstorm SSx2 is 107 grams or 3.75 oz

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    Threaded in led pills! That's very nice. Probably second only to the press fit models in terms of heat transfer. That seems to be too nice to be a clone. Maybe this is version 2.0 from the original manufacturer.

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    Thanks, this is exactly what I did expect , ideal as a bar battery but to heavy for a lid battery, I think I am back to building my own pack from scratch or going for mtbbatteries.co.uk samsung battery pack! Anyone of you guys used the Samsung batteries?

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    some samsung cells are 4.35V so watch that and buy a proper charger for them if you get these ;-)

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    Is the wire for the light/battery long enough that I can put the light on my helmet and put the battery in my CamelBak?

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    The ine i got from fasttech and it is long enough to put pack in jersey pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toto408 View Post
    I don't really like the rubber used to attach the lamp to the bar, so I'm looking for a better mount... Anybody tried that one? Hope Universal Handlebar Mount | Chain Reaction Cycles Could'nt find anything on that thread...

    Cheers!
    Yeap, I use the hope handlebar mount on a bunch of different lights I've built and I would highly recommend it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwarwick View Post
    Yeap, I use the hope handlebar mount on a bunch of different lights I've built and I would highly recommend it.

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    Is it the same screw dimension, compared to the solarstorm x2?

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    Hope uses a bigger bolt thread, but you can reuse the screw that comes with the X2 and it fits into hole in the bracket no problem.

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    Just got my Fandyfire X2 from DX this week.
    I waited for it quite some time (2 months).
    It arrived in a big enveloppe "Per Avion", by airmail.
    This week iI used it a few times for commuting, so far so good, I'm impressed.
    Because of the findings in this thread I opened it this evening.
    The screws on the front are drilled out / damaged, so I opened it at the back.
    Soldering looks ok.
    There are traces of thermal paste visible. At least someone did make some effort to keep things cool.
    Not shure if this is the back of the star or the pill we're looking at...
    I have to take out the leds from the front, have to find me a pair of pliers to unscrew the front srews.

    Here are some pictures.


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    Hard to tell for sure from the photos, but looking at the 2nd one it seems like the back of an LED MCPCBs showing.

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    ^^ +1

    it seems we are looking at the MCPCB, at least I think you have the original driver.

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    Based on the second photo, I don't think the leds are heatsinked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toto408 View Post
    hI TOTO408, from your links, they come from Alixpress, how long did the shipping take to ? UK
    What kind of run time do you get out of them?
    Thanks

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    < I waited for it quite some time (2 months).
    It arrived in a big enveloppe "Per Avion", by airmail.>> Two months this must be a record!, I think they need to change their envelope to read (Slow Boat from China!!!) Last stuff I orded was over 2 years ago took over a 5weeks to arrive, the result is I have not orded anything from them since! And I hope I won't have to. Most of my stuff I get from china do take around 2 weeks.

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    Well I just finished taking my X2 clone ( Manafont version ) apart at the front just so I could see how the emitters were mounted. For the record mine has no "Solarstorm" logo or other markings.

    First I'll note is that my clone has the loose emitter boards like some of the others. There is no pill and no metal base plate for the board to rest on. For that matter there is only a small indented lip that holds the MCPCB in place. It is so small that I'm amazed there is any thermal transfer at all. No thermal paste was used to keep the board in place. Looks like I'll have to buy some thermal paste to get the boards to hold tighter to the indent lip. What a crappy set-up. The original Solarstorm X2's were built much better. At least this explains why mine seems to drop in output so quickly when used on high. Heck the lip is so small I have a hard time seeing it. That being the case I may be wrong but I don't think thermal paste is going to make a big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I agree. When I buy I lamp for $25 I will use it till it fails. IF..something fails on the lamp I can then disassemble and try my hand at modding OR just buy another.

    Food for thought...These lamps are so inexpensive you can afford to buy an extra for back up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Even Zaang, ( who has posted only in this thread ) initially said that he had friends who owned one and that they had no problems. About Archie's friend; Any of us know him or know how much he knows about electronics and modding these kind's of lamps. Hey, whatever....Stuff happens. As I see it it's still "Business as usual". A Chinese lamp is still a "CHINESE" lamp.

    No one is claiming that the SSX2's are "above average" in design or reliability. Of the thousands that are sold there are going to be people getting them that will have problems. That said these are the most inexpensive lamps available. Since these continue to be popular I wouldn't let the misfortune of a few keep me from buying one if I were in the market for a cheap lamp and only had about $40 to spend. Even if you did get a dud ( the first time ) if you roll the dice again and buy a second I think it highly unlikely you would get another bad one...just saying. You can buy a better more reliable brand name light but that will mean more money up front. You can buy two of the cheap Chinese lamps and still not spend the money you did for a single brand name lamp. Choices, choices...indeed.
    So I am curious, are you following your own advise and have a couple more on order (for back-up)?


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    Quote Originally Posted by kwarwick View Post
    Hope uses a bigger bolt thread, but you can reuse the screw that comes with the X2 and it fits into hole in the bracket no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyraider59 View Post
    hI TOTO408, from your links, they come from Alixpress, how long did the shipping take to ? UK
    What kind of run time do you get out of them?
    Thanks
    I just received 2/4 lamps from Aliexpress, lithium batteries are not allowed anymore from China... I get refund for the 2 lost lamps, but it takes 2 months or more... I received the 2 first lamps in about 2-3 weeks I think. I recommand more Lightmalls, there's a shipping option to ship batteries
    And I have about 1h15 running at high, don't know in other modes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Well I just finished taking my X2 clone ( Manafont version ) apart at the front just so I could see how the emitters were mounted. For the record mine has no "Solarstorm" logo or other markings.
    Yours is the XM-L U2 version or the one with XM-L2? I am curious if this happens to XM-L or XM-L2 clones ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by toto408 View Post
    And I have about 1h15 running at high, don't know in other modes
    Bang one, got also 75mn out of the solarstorm "ok" battery!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scar View Post
    So I am curious, are you following your own advise and have a couple more on order (for back-up)?
    I don't need back up at the moment as I have other lamps. Would I buy one again? Yes, but one of the original ( better made ) SStorms. Still, I knew mine was a no-name clone going in. I accept the lesser quality for that reason. Doesn't mean I don't wish it was better made. At least it works. How long it will last if used regularly?...any one's guess.

    The nice thing about the forum is the quality feedback. Because some people are willing to poke around inside the lamps we are able to get more information, whither it be good or bad. Armed with this knowledge we can chose to buy a better product and send a message to the manufacturers of the cheap clones that if their product(s) suck it will cost THEM money ( through lost sales ).

    **edit: Seven years ago I rode with halogen lamps. With those lamps with NiMH batteries... I never knew when the batteries would crap out ( usually after two years ) or a bulb would burn out. Those set-ups cost me at least twice as much as the newer Chinese clones. In retrospect, if you don't have a lot of money the clone lamps are still worth the money ( ~$40 ) as long as the lamp works and the battery gives you two hour run time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MK96 View Post
    Yours is the XM-L U2 version or the one with XM-L2? I am curious if this happens to XM-L or XM-L2 clones ...
    ...XM-L ( U2 )...haven't seen the SSX2 with XM-L2 yet unless I'm missing something. So far I think the loose emitter board issue is only for certain SSX2 clones.

    **edit...Solarstorm X2 does come in a XM-L2 T-6 version ( fasttech)
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    Archie's friend has XM-L2 version but not from Manafont and some riders in this thread have also XM-L2 version without the pills. SO it happens to both XM-L and XM-L2 SSX2 clones.

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    Sorry you got the not-so-great version Cat.

    Those hope mounts look awesome. The shipping to the US is almost as much as the item with the total around $20. Not a good deal.

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