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    SELF-CONTAINED A to Z



    For awhile now self-contained lights have been an increasingly popular and highly researched segment of bicycle lighting. I've collected several several so thought I'd share my experiences and hope other will too. I'm hoping to get opinions on some of the less talked about lights (Cygolite, Knog, Garmin, Portland Design, Moon) to add to the database of Niterider/Ravemen/Ituo/Bontrager/L&M/Zebra light/Gloworm lights that are most commonly owned on this forum.

    My single cell lights
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    Ituo Wiz1
    Weight: 260 grams w/mount
    Mount: Bar QR /Gopro interface (Y)/25.4 - 35mm bars
    Emitter Tint: NW
    Runtime in high: Approx. 3 hrs.
    USB chargeable: yes

    PLUS

    high capacity battery/long runtime, programmable presets, solid construction, excellent output consistency, $13 current Amazon price

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    Modest output (?), simple round beam, may no longer be available as I write ths

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    Niterider Lumina 1200 Boost
    Weight: 180 grams w/mount
    Mount: Bar QR /Gopro interface (no)/25.4 - 35mm bars/helmet mount optional
    Emitter Tint: CW (very cool)
    Runtime in high: Approx. 65 min.
    USB chargeable: yes

    PLUS

    Customer service/support, reliability, availability, low price

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    Inconsistent output, shorter runtimes, very cool tint creates a lot of glare in higher modes

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    Bontrager RT Pro (Ion 1300)
    Weight: 185 grams w/mount
    Mount: Bar QR /Gopro interface (no)/25.4 - 35mm bars/helmet mount optional (includes Gopro adapter)
    Emitter Tint: CW
    Runtime in high: Approx. 100 min.
    USB chargeable: yes

    PLUS
    Customer service/support, reliability, availability, output and output consistency, good runtimes, nice tint

    MINUS
    Pricy, UI program


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    Cygolite Metro 800/950
    Weight: 140/150 grams w/mount
    Mount: Bar QR /25.4 - 31.8mm bars
    Emitter Tint: CW
    Runtime in turbo/high/med.: Approx. 70/85/150 min.
    USB chargeable: yes

    PLUS
    Low price, higher than claimed output, near perfect output consistency, very nice UI program (very likable light to use). nice tint, light weight/makes good helmet light, good value

    MINUS
    Won't fit 35mm bars

    **Extra output of the 950 is nice but unfortunately it doesn't match the output consistency of the 800 in any of the modes and also doesn't live up to the manufacturers claims of longer runtimes in the higher modes.**


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    Sigma Buster 700
    Weight: 145 grams w/mount
    Mount: Bar QR /Gopro interface (yes)/25.4 - 31.8mm bars/helmet mount included
    Emitter Tint: (warmish)CW
    Runtime in high: Approx. 80 min.
    USB chargeable: yes

    PLUS
    Low price, much higher than claimed output, excellent output consistency, very nice UI program (very likable light to use). nice tint, light weight/makes good helmet light, good value

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    Short runtimes (but consistent), won't fit 35mm bars

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    Blackburn Dayblazer 1100
    Weight: 140 grams w/mount
    Mount: Bar strap /Gopro interface (yes)/25.4 - 35mm bars
    Emitter Tint: CW
    Runtime in high: Not measurable/approx 1.5n hrs in 800 lumen mode
    USB chargeable: yes

    PLUS
    Customer service/support

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    Light would enter thermal protection after less than 3 minutes of use in highest mode level, output consistency poor even in med mode level, output high but only for very short periods of time, results were identical on a replacement light sent to me by Blackburn (at least customr support was good), very poor performing light!

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    Ravemen LR800
    Weight: 120 grams w/mount
    Mount: Bar strap /Gopro interface (no)/25.4 - 35mm bars
    Emitter Tint: CW
    Runtime in high: 75 min.
    USB chargeable: yes

    PLUS
    Light weight/Very nice flood beam/Very strong usable Med. mode/Ravemen reliability/Charge on the fly via usb port to extend runtime/symmetrical elliptical beam can be mounted upside down

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    Short runtime in high mode/single mode rotary program that includes flash mode/wired remote not included


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    Cygolite Ranger 1400
    Weight: 185 grams w/mount
    Mount: Bar QR /25.4 - 31.8mm bars Gopro accessory adapter/mount
    Emitter Tint: CW
    Runtime in turbo/high/med.: Approx. 90/135/210 min.
    USB chargeable: yes

    PLUS
    High mode outputs and runtimes, very good output consistency, very nice UI program (very likable light to use). nice tint, good light for riders who do longer rides

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    Won't fit 35mm bars, a bit pricy, too heavy for helmet use (IMO)


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    Ceco 1000
    Weight: 145 grams w/mount
    Mount: Strap (fits Cygolite QR/Gopro mounts)
    Emitter Tint: CW
    Runtime in Hi/med. high/med.: Approx. 75/115/180 min.
    USB chargeable: yes

    PLUS
    Low price, higher than claimed output, nice tint, light weight/makes good helmet light, good runtimes, good value

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    Flash mode in main UI program, Reliabiloity problems with mount


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    Outbound Hangover
    Weight: 120 grams w/mount (lighthead 102g)
    Mount: Stick on helmet mount /Gopro interface (yes)
    Emitter Tint: CW
    Runtime in high: Approx. 89 min. (usable), on the fly use of external usb battery pack/powerbank possible
    USB chargeable: yes (C)

    PLUS
    Excellent throw and beam pattern for helmet use, very light, Good form for low mounting on helmet, quality build and excellent cust. support.

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    Inconsistent output, shorter than advertised runtimes, lower than average power output, for best performance additional external battery needed (IMO), price.

    ***There are no posts on this light in this thread but here's a link to a thread dedicated to the Hangover.
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    Dual cell lights
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    Ravemen PR900
    Weight: 225 grams w/mount
    Mount: Bar QR /Gopro interface (no)/25.4 - 35mm bars
    Emitter Tint: CW
    Runtime in high: Approx. 150 min.
    USB chargeable: yes

    PLUS
    Low price, good reliability, nice OLED display, surprisingly good off-road beam

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    L&M Taz 1500
    Weight: 230 grams w/mount (Amazon
    Mount: Bar /Gopro interface (yes)/25.4 - 35mm bars
    Emitter Tint: CW
    Runtime in high: Approx. 80 min.
    USB chargeable: yes

    PLUS
    Customer service/support, reliability, availability, nice beam shape, output consistency

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    Strap mount won't hold light in place, short runtime, light not powerful enough to support wide beam

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    Gloworm CX
    Weight: 240 grams w/mount
    Mount: Bar QR /Gopro interface (yes) + quarter turn interface/31.8 - 35mm bars/helmet mount included
    Emitter Tint: NW (upcharge option)
    Runtime in high: Approx. 160 min.
    USB chargeable: yes

    PLUS
    Customer service/support, reliability, availability, programmable presets, changeable optics, wired remote, chargeable while in operation from powerbank, field changeable batteries, super throw with xpg emitters

    MINUS
    Requires tool to tighten enough to remain stable on mount

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    Ituo Wiz20
    Weight: 280 grams w/mount
    Mount: Bar QR /Gopro interface (no)/25.4 - 35mm bars
    Emitter Tint: NW
    Runtime in high: Approx. 135 min.
    USB chargeable: yes

    PLUS
    Low price (currently $27on Amazon), changeable optics, programmable presets, excellent power output, consistent output, fantastic mode button, will not overheat, field changeable batteries

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    reliability an issue with the Amazon sold lights, may no longer be available
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    MRMOLE - Wiz20 is no longer available

    As for those light's there is one more - to the Ravemen - It has quite high self discharge rate. After 2 months it needs more than 2 hours on fast charger, at the same time Fenix BC30R - 5 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominik.M View Post
    MRMOLE - Wiz20 is no longer available
    Now I guess we get to wait and see if Ituo brings out the new models they've hinted about or just disappears.

    As for those light's there is one more - to the Ravemen - It has quite high self discharge rate. After 2 months it needs more than 2 hours on fast charger, at the same time Fenix BT30R - 5 minutes.
    It would be great if you could write a paragraph or 2 about the Fenix (assuming it's still available). Why you like the light (if you do) is what I'm looking for. Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post

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    Bontrager RT Pro (Ion 1300)
    Weight: 185 grams w/mount
    Mount: Bar QR /Gopro interface (no)/25.4 - 31.8mm bars/helmet mount optional (includes Gopro adapter)
    Emitter Tint: CW
    Runtime in high: Approx. 100 min.
    USB chargeable: yes

    PLUS
    Customer service/support, reliability, availability, output and output consistency, good runtimes, nice tint

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    Pricy, UI program, wont fit 35mm bars
    While there are certainly things about this light I don't like (you nailed it with the UI program, #1 complaint), the included bar mount does do 35mm as well--you have to remove the rubber shim and slot the lower half of the clamp into the other slot. It's snug, and always feels like you are going to break it, but it is an option...albeit one that is unlikely to survive frequent changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wschruba View Post
    While there are certainly things about this light I don't like (you nailed it with the UI program, #1 complaint), the included bar mount does do 35mm as well--you have to remove the rubber shim and slot the lower half of the clamp into the other slot. It's snug, and always feels like you are going to break it, but it is an option...albeit one that is unlikely to survive frequent changes.
    Thanks, I did an edit on it so it reads correctly now. Nice light in spite of the less than ideal UI program.
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    I find it fits and works very well on 35mm bars with the pivot shifted and both rubber shims removed. It grips well and is secure from rotation without the shims.
    What, me worry?

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    I don't like Fenix - my personal favorite is ITUO Wiz20, but due to their unreasonable sales politics or simple greed, they are out of business (I think). I was talking to them about purchase of 1000 pcs of WIZ20 for 27$ - the answer was NO.

    I like Fenix for ANSI compliance and hate it for handlebar mount... .
    I've made a mistake I have BC30R.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominik.M View Post
    I don't like Fenix - my personal favorite is ITUO Wiz20, but due to their unreasonable sales politics or simple greed, they are out of business (I think). I was talking to them about purchase of 1000 pcs of WIZ20 for 27$ - the answer was NO.
    Wiz20 is my favorite of the self-contained lights I own too although the Gloworm CX is an equally good performer (better in some respects). I've also considered the possibility this may be it for Ituo even though they claim that's not the case. They say they will contact me if/when they decide to release any new products so can only hope to hear from Ituo in the future.
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    Bontrager Elite R (1000 lumen wider angle beam from Trek)



    I saw this new light from Bontrager in a email I got today. Physical clone of the RT Pro with 1000 lumens and a wider angle beam. Unfortunately retained the RT Pro's UI program but most importantly comes with that excellent high capacity battery so should make a great wider angle bar light for those who like longer rides.
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    Cygolite Metro Plus 800 - New test light



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    Even though it's still a couple of weeks till I'm medically cleared to ride again it didn't stop me from picking up this Cygolite. I can start with all the indoor testing and have always had interest in this model because of how well it maintained it's output consistency in it's "wetestlights" review. I think my light is a updated model since it has a boost mode + performs even better than the wetestlights example. So here's the light meter results. I'm impressed!

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    Output results are a pretty close match to the Sigma Buster 700 I recently tested which is a good thing considering how much I like that particular light. Output levels are higher than Cygolite's rating and more consistent than any single cell self-contained light I've ever seen. I'm also happy to note that max. case temperature I recorded in boost mode was only 107 degrees which is excellent. I was concerned about this because I noticed the light case is made of plastic but material/design seems to work just fine in 83 degree ambient temp cooled with a fan for over an hour.

    Light does have a couple of warts (mount mainly) but seems pretty solid so far. Outdoor testing will confirm one way or the other. Looking forward to finishing up with the road test portion when they'll let me.
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    First Ride/UI impressions

    Out the door about 3am this morning for the first ride with the 800+ and my first ride since the triple bi-pass that was done in April. Was still 89 degrees so I did take a couple of miles of the ride just running the light in boost for a temperature sensitivity check but as indoors no problems and it ran cooler than I expected. Also got to play around with the mode button and UI program. Everything on one program but it has a double click feature that takes you to boost with the double click and returns you to whatever mode you started from with the next click. Great for Hi(boost)/Low commuting mode or Hi(boost)/Lower mtn. biking. Unfortunately if you want to scroll through the 3 preset forward modes you still have to cycle through the flash mode to do that so not ideal but definitely livable as is the mode button that requires med. to hard pressure but works reliably. With the major exception of not fitting 35mm bars the bar mount seems to work fine. An accessory helmet mount (not included) comes with a Gopro style slide clip which would make any 35mm Gopro interface bar mount usable. Light seems to work great for an inexpensive light. Med. mode provides right at 470 lumens (measured) with a fairly wide beam and since the light output on this light doesn't degrade you get that output for over 2.5 hours. Will have to wait a while to test on longer rides as at this point my endurance is shorter than the runtime in boost mode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dominik.M View Post
    MRMOLE - Wiz20 is no longer available

    As for those light's there is one more - to the Ravemen - It has quite high self discharge rate. After 2 months it needs more than 2 hours on fast charger, at the same time Fenix BC30R - 5 minutes.
    Must be some sort of fluke or perhaps a bad cell or cells. I have the Raveman PR-1200. After having not touched it in months it looks to still have a full charge. Actually all of the Raveman products I own don't appear to have any major self-discharging issues.

    @Dominik....I too would like to know more about your opinion of the Fenix lamp you own. Particularly about the beam pattern. You mentioned a problem with the mount. What was the issue with the mount?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post

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    Even though it's still a couple of weeks till I'm medically cleared to ride again it didn't stop me from picking up this Cygolite. I can start with all the indoor testing and have always had interest in this model because of how well it maintained it's output consistency in it's "wetestlights" review. I think my light is a updated model since it has a boost mode + performs even better than the wetestlights example. So here's the light meter results. I'm impressed!

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    Output results are a pretty close match to the Sigma Buster 700 I recently tested which is a good thing considering how much I like that particular light. Output levels are higher than Cygolite's rating and more consistent than any single cell self-contained light I've ever seen. I'm also happy to note that max. case temperature I recorded in boost mode was only 107 degrees which is excellent. I was concerned about this because I noticed the light case is made of plastic but material/design seems to work just fine in 83 degree ambient temp cooled with a fan for over an hour.

    Light does have a couple of warts (mount mainly) but seems pretty solid so far. Outdoor testing will confirm one way or the other. Looking forward to finishing up with the road test portion when they'll let me.
    Mole
    First Ride/UI impressions

    Out the door about 3am this morning for the first ride with the 800+ and my first ride since the triple bi-pass that was done in April. Was still 89 degrees so I did take a couple of miles of the ride just running the light in boost for a temperature sensitivity check but as indoors no problems and it ran cooler than I expected. Also got to play around with the mode button and UI program. Everything on one program but it has a double click feature that takes you to boost with the double click and returns you to whatever mode you started from with the next click. Great for Hi(boost)/Low commuting mode or Hi(boost)/Lower mtn. biking. Unfortunately if you want to scroll through the 3 preset forward modes you still have to cycle through the flash mode to do that so not ideal but definitely livable as is the mode button that requires med. to hard pressure but works reliably. With the major exception of not fitting 35mm bars the bar mount seems to work fine. An accessory helmet mount (not included) comes with a Gopro style slide clip which would make any 35mm Gopro interface bar mount usable. Light seems to work great for an inexpensive light. Med. mode provides right at 470 lumens (measured) with a fairly wide beam and since the light output on this light doesn't degrade you get that output for over 2.5 hours. Will have to wait a while to test on longer rides as at this point my endurance is shorter than the runtime in boost mode.
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    Some lights have a built in protection against heat, so they perform differently when stationary, when airflow is not cooling them down properly, have you taken that into account?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenco View Post
    Some lights have a built in protection against heat, so they perform differently when stationary, when airflow is not cooling them down properly, have you taken that into account?
    Yes, I have 12" fan I use to cool the lights when run indoors. I position it about 1 meter directly in front of the light so air flow is pretty good. I also measure ambient air temp when doing these tests since it directly affects running temps. Self-contained lights are usually a good choice for riding in higher temperatures because they generally have larger heat sink mass and surface area but there are exceptions.
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    Kudos to Cygolite for building a light that holds it's output level so nicely!
    GoPro adapters for bike lights http://www.pacifier.com/~kevinb/index.html

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    Blackburn Dayblazer 1100 test ride



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    I was quite excited to get this light. Light weight, very high max lux numbers (good throw), promise of performance/efficiency a step above its competition through the use of two emitters compared to everyone elses one, and good reviews to boot. Initial testing weren't tooo impressive and ended up with so many issues I decided to contact Blackburn. Working with them was great and they sent me a new light with no questions asked but unfortunately the light had identical problems. Why the light has gotten good reviews from others I don't know? My lights overheat quickly in the highest mode, output degrades very quickly in the 800 claimed lumen med. mode but is usable at about 500 lumens where it is somewhat stable. and has limited runtimes. This mornings ride only confirmed the problems I had when doing indoor testing and since I have 2 examples from different sources I have to assume this is normal performance for this light. I'm going to contact Blackburn again to see what they have to say. I'd love to hear from someone else who owns one of these. Here's an output chart I made comparing the Blackburn's med. mode (black line) to my usual whipping boy light the Lumina Micro 850 high mode output and the red line represents a less expensive Sigma Buster 700 that IMO would be a better place to spend your money.

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    Putting the Blacckburn experience behind me I've been spending most of my rides using my other new light, the Cygolite Metro Plus 800 which has so far been a surprisingly positive experience! The fact that Cygolite somehow has figured out how to maintain consistent ooutput for 95% of the runtime in each preset mode even the highest output boost level is a big deal to me but probably not something all that noticeable (compared to other consistent performing lights) unless you consistently fully deplete your batteries capacity. So that aside I've also found the beam pattern surprisingly good on this light too. A couple of mornings ago I rode my SC Chameleon which is my only bike that uses 35mm bars and took a Bontrager 1300 along for lighting the way (since the Cygolite won't fit 35mm bars). This morning I did the same route on my Vassago with the Cygolite and was much happier with the Cygolite overall. If I needed the Bontrager's extra output for some reason or was doing longer ride I'd choose the Ion but for most of my riding would be happier with the Cygolites wider beam, easier to operate mode button and more functional UI.
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    Sigma Buster 700 vs. Cygolite Metro Plus 800

    Did a little comparison ride between these two lights last night for something to do. A couple of my favorites who's usage was separated by several months of no cycling so in the Sigma's case a chance to refresh my memory. Both lights have similar tint and output but beam pattern changes the lighting effect. The Buster 700 has a slightly narrower beam that invests a lot less light around the front of the bike saving it for some additional lux at distance. Of the two the Buster 700 is the better helmet light and depending on your cruising speed maybe the best bar choice. Wider/more bar oriented Cygolite on the other hand has the perfect (for me) beam for road/MUP/trails combo style rides like I did last night. Enough of everything you need or want and no deficiencies to distract your eyes or concentration. Interesting to note that while both lights measure out about equal in their respective preset modes and I preceived them that way in the Hi/Boost settings, the Cygolite seemed more powerful than the Sigma set in the med. mode (mystery?). Also interesting for me is unlike my ride with the Cygolite/Blackburn combo there was no loser on last nights ride. It's always nice when a light out performs the manufacturer's claims which both these lights do + they both have easy/enjoyable to use UI programs/interfaces so good lights, good ride!
    Mole

    Lots of info on this so I hope it's not confusing. I ended up with 2 different Sigma Buster 700 lights that perform a little different so I've included results from both of those lights + the Cygolite Metro Plus 800.

    Cygolite results are shown in black and decending order from the top (Boost/High/Med.)

    Original Buster 700: High/Med. (red/green)

    Buster 700 (2): High/Med. (pink/purple)

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    The Cygolites have always seemed to get good reviews. Nice to see that the one you have holds a steady output regardless of what mode is being used. Anyway you can provide a photo of the beam pattern?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    The Cygolites have always seemed to get good reviews.
    So far the Metro Plus 800 has been a pleasant surprise for me as I've seen very little about Cygolite's except some unflattering comments from one of the Lumina Nazi's that used to post here.


    Nice to see that the one you have holds a steady output regardless of what mode is being used.
    I'd like to know how they accomplished that using a single 18650 battery but at least it shows it is possible at this output level from a fairly inexpensive light. Unfortunately we shouldn't expect whatever tech. they used to be incorporated into all their lights!!! I'm also testing a Metro 950 but have only got a chance to run tests on its boost mode and it's needing almost all the lax standards set by ANSI to achieve it's 75 min. claimed boost runtime. It has considerably more power than what's claimed at turn on so I'm hoping will return to the flat output curve of the 800 in the less intense modes.


    Anyway you can provide a photo of the beam pattern?
    I'll see what I can do. It was something like 114 here today and I'm trying to avoid the heat as much as possible coming off the heart surgery but I may get out super early before sunrise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Anyway you can provide a photo of the beam pattern?
    Finally got a OK shot using my PR900 as a comparison since riding both lights has been a "somewhat similar" experience for me and familar to you since you own Ravemen lights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    I'd like to know how they accomplished that using a single 18650 battery but at least it shows it is possible at this output level from a fairly inexpensive light. Unfortunately we shouldn't expect whatever tech. they used to be incorporated into all their lights!!! I'm also testing a Metro 950 but have only got a chance to run tests on its boost mode and it's needing almost all the lax standards set by ANSI to achieve it's 75 min. claimed boost runtime. It has considerably more power than what's claimed at turn on so I'm hoping will return to the flat output curve of the 800 in the less intense modes.
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    Here's the runtime vs. output results for the Cygolite metro 800 & 950. Unfortunately the 950 wasn't able to match the 800's flat to the end runtime results or the extra manufacturer's claimed higher mode runtimes.
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    Those lines clearly show the effects of trying to drive more current to get a little bit more light without using a higher capacity battery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    Those lines clearly show the effects of trying to drive more current to get a little bit more light without using a higher capacity battery.
    Ultimately whatever trickery Cygolite used to make the 800 perform so well wasn't applied to this light and probably not their 1100 either! Both are still good lights though so don't want to make to big a deal out of this since they probably perform as good or better than competing lights. Too bad though cause it definitely makes a more useful light for those who like to use the majority of the lights battery capacity. Hope for the upgrade soon.
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    Cygolite 800/950 update

    What were dealing with from a user point of view is basically the same light with slightly different output setting for the presets. The 950 does weigh 10 grams more for some reason unknown to me but lights are physically the same except for a tag under the front of the light.

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    I was thinking the larger capacity 950/1100 may have had a larger capacity battery since the 950 has a longer claimed runtime in Hi and Boost but those longer times didn't pan out (looking at the output vs. runtime curves I see no evidence of more battery capacity). The 950 does give you more lumen's though and if the 800's steady flow of approx 900 lumens in boost isn't enough for you you can expect about 200 extra with the 950 though not as steady or for as long. Also interesting is the output measurements I got from the 950 were basically a match to the ones 'wetestlights" showed for the Metro 1100 (my measurements always closely match this site) so competitive with highest capacity single cell lights from Bontrager and Niterider.

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    I've been enjoying using these lights for the last few weeks. Double click to boost and single click back to original preset level has worked well for me to minimize the PITA of a single program with flash in the mode rotation. Also need to address the lack of 35mm bar compatibility (Gopro adapters are available). Nice lights though and along with the Sigma Buster 700 and my "to this point favorite self-contained light" the Wiz20 lights I give extra points to because I REALLY enjoy using them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Finally got a OK shot using my PR900 as a comparison since riding both lights has been a "somewhat similar" experience for me and familar to you since you own Ravemen lights.
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    Thanks for supplying the beam shots. The Cygolite does look like it has a nice beam pattern and lots of throw. However since I usually use the mid level on my lamps l'd like to see what the mid-level output looks like ( whatever mode supplies about 2-3 hrs of run time ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Thanks for supplying the beam shots. The Cygolite does look like it has a nice beam pattern and lots of throw. However since I usually use the mid level on my lamps l'd like to see what the mid-level output looks like ( whatever mode supplies about 2-3 hrs of run time ).
    I did a 4 mi. walk instead of riding this morning but will try to get back over to that area in the next couple of days. Medium mode on the Metro 800 runs a steady 490 lumen till just past 2 hrs. and tapers to about 450 by 2:15 but that's about it for the light. More than adequate for MUP use IMO.
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    Cygolite Clone > Ceco 1000

    @ MrMole; I finally got the Ceco 1000 in today. Couldn't wait to get home tonight so I could try it out. Sadly as night came we had a deluge. A very large and intense rain. Didn't last long but really did get the roads wet. I hate riding at night when the roads are wet but I gotta try out a new light. Shining it around in my house it seems really bright when on high. Looks like it'll have nice throw and a decent amount of spill that should help in seeing a wider area nearer to the bike. Definitely not as wide as the Raveman lights though.

    I have to admit though there is not much difference in brightness between the levels. This makes it hard to determine what mode you are in. This means you might have to scroll threw the UI a couple times till you find the output level you want. Making this harder, the UI starts off on the lowest mode and goes up. There is a number of modes so you need to get the count right to know the mode you want. Definitely will require a learning curve till it becomes intuitive. The thing is, even the lowest output mode looks bright to me while shining it around in my home. Really hoping that the stated run times are accurate. No indication in the instructions just how bright the different modes are but I would swear the difference in modes may only be 100-150 lumen ea.

    Can't wait to see how well this works on the road. The instructions indicate that the lamp will start blinking when it gets down to the last ten minutes of run time. I like that. Another feature I discovered by accident is that the lamp can run while being charged ( ) Now with that said I can't say for sure that charging is actually going on when plugged into a USB charger but what I can say is that the lamp works while power is plugged in. At some point I'll want to test that with an external power source and see how it compares to the Raveman CR-700.

    Well...at 3:00am I took it for a quick spin. The light seems to work great. Too bad the roads were wet which kept me from seeing just how well it would work on a dry road. Was having no problems on the wet roads though. Sadly not a dry road in sight tonight. Damn, felt good outside tonight. I felt like I could of done a twenty...*sigh*....but not at 3AM. Need to get a quick bite before going to bed. Looking forward to tomorrow and hope it doesn't rain again.

    Edit: parting comment; Damn thing is real hard to get off the quick release slide mount. ( edit II, next day )...The mode / power button is kind of hard to work with as it is small and hard. The lamp offers a nice bright white beam pattern, no bluish tint or artifacts in the beam pattern. The beam pattern lights up a nice wide area ( maybe ~ 10-13 ft wide and has excellent throw even on the lower modes. Doesn't light up the peripheral like the Raveman lamps ( which helps you see deer grazing on the side of the road ). Considering that the beam pattern is not a cut-off type that might actually be a good thing as it shouldn't bother approaching traffic on the other side of the road as much. If this lamp had a remote I might favor it over the Raveman CR-700. That said I'm staying with my CR-900 as my main light. Still, not a bad light for just under $40 USD.

    Edit # IV...Looks like I have another day of rain. Crossing my fingers hoping that the roads are dry by the time I get home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    @ MrMole; I finally got the Ceco 1000 in today. Couldn't wait to get home tonight so I could try it out. Sadly as night came we had a deluge. A very large and intense rain. Didn't last long but really did get the roads wet. I hate riding at night when the roads are wet but I gotta try out a new light. Shining it around in my house it seems really bright when on high. Looks like it'll have nice throw and a decent amount of spill that should help in seeing a wider area nearer to the bike. Definitely not as wide as the Raveman lights though.

    I have to admit though there is not much difference in brightness between the levels. This makes it hard to determine what mode you are in. This means you might have to scroll threw the UI a couple times till you find the output level you want. Making this harder, the UI starts off on the lowest mode and goes up. There is a number of modes so you need to get the count right to know the mode you want. Definitely will require a learning curve till it becomes intuitive. The thing is, even the lowest output mode looks bright to me while shining it around in my home. Really hoping that the stated run times are accurate. No indication in the instructions just how bright the different modes are but I would swear the difference in modes may only be 100-150 lumen ea.

    Can't wait to see how well this works on the road. The instructions indicate that the lamp will start blinking when it gets down to the last ten minutes of run time. I like that. Another feature I discovered by accident is that the lamp can run while being charged ( ) Now with that said I can't say for sure that charging is actually going on when plugged into a USB charger but what I can say is that the lamp works while power is plugged in. At some point I'll want to test that with an external power source and see how it compares to the Raveman CR-700.

    Well...at 3:00am I took it for a quick spin. The light seems to work great. Too bad the roads were wet which kept me from seeing just how well it would work on a dry road. Was having no problems on the wet roads though. Sadly not a dry road in sight tonight. Damn, felt good outside tonight. I felt like I could of done a twenty...*sigh*....but not at 3AM. Need to get a quick bite before going to bed. Looking forward to tomorrow and hope it doesn't rain again.

    Edit: parting comment; Damn thing is real hard to get off the quick release slide mount.
    Sounds pretty good so far. Hopefully we can add this to the list of usable off-brands. Does the Ceco have similar vertical fluting on the lens/optic cover like the pictured Cygolite?

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    Gotta say I loved how excited you sounded about getting a new light and testing it out. Made me smile reading your post!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Sounds pretty good so far. Hopefully we can add this to the list of usable off-brands. Does the Ceco have similar vertical fluting on the lens/optic cover like the pictured Cygolite?

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    Gotta say I loved how excited you sounded about getting a new light and testing it out. Made me smile reading your post!
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    I added more edited comments while you were posting so check out my last post again. No, the Ceco 1000 does not have the vertical fluting of the lens. That is the type of thing that makes one a brand name and the other a Chinese clone knock-off.

    Since it doesn't provide a cut-off lens I wouldn't recommend the Ceco for riding on MUP's because even on the lowest mode it is quite bright ( although I suppose you could tilt the lamp down if riding an MUP ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    @ MrMole;

    The lamp offers a nice bright white beam pattern, no bluish tint or artifacts in the beam pattern. The beam pattern lights up a nice wide area ( maybe ~ 10-13 ft wide and has excellent throw even on the lower modes. .
    I'm thinking this may be the niche for this light. Broad appeal of a do it all light is what will sell the most units so most are designed with a compromise beam that's not too narrow but limiting for best throw. Best throwers I've tried rely on lots of lumens and end up being heavier and far less comfortable than the sub 150 gram lights. Without any beam widening trickery like the Cygolite's veined lens surface to deal with and hopefully all it's claimed 1000 lumens it will be interesting to see what kind of max. lux numbers it will produce + runtimes and helmet mount options. Looking forward to your future posts to fill in the blanks.
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    Going for a ride tonight. Yep, the Ceco could make for an excellent helmet lamp if it weren't for the fact that the mode button is kind of funky. Still nothing beats my Convoy M1 for helmet duties ( with custom over-driven XP-L Hi emitter ). Still at some point I'll likely give the Ceco 1000 a try on the helmet. Even so you have to love a good torch as a helmet light because it allows you to carry and switch out batteries if need be.

    I'll try to get a night road beam shot once it gets dark. ( I'm starting in the day ).

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    First ride with the Ceco 1000

    Rare for me to start a road ride in the day. I rarely get a chance to do that since I usually work at night. Absolutely beautiful day for a bike ride. Nice to see a sunset from the saddle once in a while. Didn't really need my lights for most of the ride. Actually I had to find a place to pull off the side of the road just so I could kill some time while waiting for the sun to set.

    When it finally got dark enough to need full lights I only had about three miles left in the planned 16 miler. At that point I switch on the Ceco 1000 and started playing with the different modes. The Ceco does extremely well on it's lower modes and even better on the higher one's ( four steady modes in all ). The last section of road on this ride is a real fun-time / high speed roller coaster. As such I kicked up the output to mid-range and let her rip. Most of the time I was riding in the middle of the road. ( low traffic in this area ). The Ceco 1000 besides having very good throw also lit up the entire lane I was in ( with a little extra spill to the sides ). With the excellent throw I had no need to be timid. Occasionally I would switch over to the CR-900 just to get a quick comparison but no doubt the Ceco lets you see farther and more clearer in the distance than the CR-900.

    Now when I got back to my car I wanted to see what the Ceco 1000 looked like from the front when on. With the light on the med. setting I walked a hundred ft. or so and looked at the output from the front. OH MY! ....damn thing is blinding as hell, at least the way I had it aimed. Then I turned on the Raveman CR-900 to mid-level. The 900 was only half as annoying as the Ceco. A cut-off beam pattern makes a very big difference to on-coming traffic no doubt. That said the Ceco is still a very nice light. If you don't want to blind on-coming traffic just point it down a bit when cars are approaching. Like I said before, not the lamp to use if you are riding MUP's a lot. Very impressive on the road though.

    At some point I'll have to do a run time test. I hate doing run time tests but before I give this lamp a ringing endorsement I'm going to have to see how well the battery holds up. I thought I noticed some slight drop in output when using the lamp so I'll have to do a "timed lux output test" as well ( I'll try to do both at the same time when I get a chance ).

    Good news on the "runs while charging" issue. When I got home I hooked the Ceco 1000 up to my USB meter. It seems the lamp does actually draw current when the light is on ( in any mode ).. The higher the mode, the more current it drew...however, the current draw never goes over 1 amp. With that said I'm pretty sure you should be able to get close to double the listed run times if using an external USB battery ( or more if using the lower modes...depending of course on the size of your USB battery bank ). I like that. Anyway, at some point I'll need to test that as well.

    Had such a great ride today I'm ready to go out again for another ride! I'm going see if I can get another 10-13 miles in locally. Weather that is this nice I hate to waste sitting around the homestead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post

    At some point I'll have to do a run time test. I hate doing run time tests but before I give this lamp a ringing endorsement I'm going to have to see how well the battery holds up. I thought I noticed some slight drop in output when using the lamp so I'll have to do a "timed lux output test" as well ( I'll try to do both at the same time when I get a chance ).
    When you get around to doing this I have a request. I'd appreciate it if you would refresh my memory on your test methods (Center beam max. lux measured at what distance?). Also if its not too much trouble if you could run a high beam test on your fully charged PR1200 and I'd be able to calibrate my light meter to yours since I have measurements on that light. That way I'd be able to more accurately compare the Ceco to any light I have. Last question is there a Gopro mount option for the Ceco for helmet mounting? Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    When you get around to doing this I have a request. I'd appreciate it if you would refresh my memory on your test methods (Center beam max. lux measured at what distance?). Also if its not too much trouble if you could run a high beam test on your fully charged PR1200 and I'd be able to calibrate my light meter to yours since I have measurements on that light. That way I'd be able to more accurately compare the Ceco to any light I have. Last question is there a Gopro mount option for the Ceco for helmet mounting? Thanks!
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    When I do a lux test I only do those to give some indication of percentage of output drop over a period of time. All lamps drop in output once the battery begins to drain but the better lamps seem to drop less that the more cheaper lamps. Basically I do the test in my entrance hallway. The hallway is ~ 5-6 meters long and about 3.5 ft. wide. The walls are white. I try to set up for 5 meters and aim the center of the beam at the meter. I use a small fan to cool the lamp. ( Sadly the motor in my small fan is burnt out so I need to buy a new fan ) I don't have a lux meter. I'm only using a lux meter app on my phone so it's likely not as sensitive as an actual lux meter. I do have a Samsung S9 phone and it has a pretty good camera on it so the light sensor should be half decent and good enough for novice level comparisons. No Gopro or helmet mount for this lamp but if the mounting platform matches the Cygolite perhaps they have something that might work with the Ceco (?).

    I did go out again last night after my first ride. Odd how things change with a change of scenery. The roads where I live are not in the greatest shape, particularly near the shoulders so I try to ride in the road as much as possible. There are also lots of sharp turns on my local rides so the Ceco was not as useful as the Raveman CR-900 as the 900 has the wider beam pattern. I really needed to mount the Ceco on the right side of the handlebars so more of the beam pattern is nearer the edge of the road. Unfortunately that is where I mount the CR-900 and because it's shimmed to level the cut-off I really don't want to remove the Raveman mount.

    I did take some beam pattern photos last night with my phone. Just have to move them to my desk top computer so I can edit the photos. I'll see if I can get that done later. Then I have to remember what photo is what. ( I may have to redo the photos. Seems I didn't hold the camera the same way for all the photos. )

    On a side note, the Ceco 1000 seems to take a long time to recharge. The second ride I did last night couldn't of taken more than half an hour. Took almost more than an hour to recharge ( although I didn't actually note the actual time. My CR series lamps on the other hand seem to recharge much faster. The Ceco mount does not pivot. Would really help a lot if it did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    No Gopro or helmet mount for this lamp but if the mounting platform matches the Cygolite perhaps they have something that might work with the Ceco (?).
    That's a possibility, the more I see on the Ceco the more I think it's a Cygolite clone. Optional helmet mount for Cygolitre looks like it may have a Gopro style interface and there is a aftermarket cygolite Gopro adapter available too.

    The Ceco mount does not pivot. Would really help a lot if it did.
    Odd, one of the sidebar photos in the Amazon add shows that it does. Rt side, third photo from bottom (sidebar) say adjustable swivel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    ....Odd, one of the sidebar photos in the Amazon add shows that it does. Rt side, third photo from bottom (sidebar) say adjustable swivel.
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    Just took a good look at the mount. ( really is hard to get the lamp off once it is on the slide mount ). With the lamp off there is a phillip head screw on the top. If you loosen that screw the mount will pivot but when re-tightened the position is then locked in...which means you can not pivot the lamp while on the fly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Just took a good look at the mount. ( really is hard to get the lamp off once it is on the slide mount ). With the lamp off there is a phillip head screw on the top. If you loosen that screw the mount will pivot but when re-tightened the position is then locked in...which means you can not pivot the lamp while on the fly.
    Considering the design similarities and the fact that both the Cygolite 800 and 950 are horizontally adjustable I took one of the mounts apart and not surprisingly found a commonly used plastic washer that allows for rotation while still maintaining enough tightness to remain stable. Even though the Cygolite is a QR vs the strap on the Ceco the single screw retention is basically the same and I'm guessing the washer is something left off the clone (Ceco) mount which could easily be fitted with a substitute. Did I guess right?
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    Other light details as requested...
    Moon Meteor Storm Pro
    ($80 MerlinCycles)
    Weight: 208 grams
    Mount: Quick release handlebar mount (fits 22-35mm) and helmet mount
    Emitter Tint: CW
    Runtime in high: 2.3 hrs
    USB chargeable: yes

    PLUS
    VLS (Variable Lumen System) allows you to set any lumen from 0 to 1700 Lm, light mode memory, light lock mode, Matrix LED Display, 1700 Lumen Full power mode with a boost mode of 2000 Lumens, 5 steady and 5 flash modes, Over heat protection system, 3.6V 3350 mAh battery, remote button for bar or helmet

    MINUS
    Weight feels heavy on the helmet

    It's an excellent quality night light! It has a really good beam pattern that's symmetrically round no matter how you rotate it. The throw is pretty good! Has a self-contained battery which can be replaced. Everything about this light is high quality, very well constructed, and very robust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heist30 View Post
    Other light details as requested...
    Moon Meteor Storm Pro
    ($80 MerlinCycles)
    Weight: 208 grams
    Mount: Quick release handlebar mount (fits 22-35mm) and helmet mount
    Emitter Tint: CW
    Runtime in high: 2.3 hrs
    USB chargeable: yes

    PLUS
    VLS (Variable Lumen System) allows you to set any lumen from 0 to 1700 Lm, light mode memory, light lock mode, Matrix LED Display, 1700 Lumen Full power mode with a boost mode of 2000 Lumens, 5 steady and 5 flash modes, Over heat protection system, 3.6V 3350 mAh battery, remote button for bar or helmet

    MINUS
    Weight feels heavy on the helmet

    It's an excellent quality night light! It has a really good beam pattern that's symmetrically round no matter how you rotate it. The throw is pretty good! Has a self-contained battery which can be replaced. Everything about this light is high quality, very well constructed, and very robust.
    Thanks for posting on this light. I'm on the Merlin site a lot and keep looking at this one but between me focusing on some of the more popular single cell lights and health problems that have kept me off the bike for most of the year the Meteor Storm Pro is still on the list of things I want to check out. That VLS feature sounds pretty interesting. Do you know when they first started using that feature and is it simple/easy to use? I agree that this would be heavy for helmet use and am wondering if you also use the light bar mounted? Beam shots on the Moon website make the beam look a bit narrow with lots of throw which would be great for helmet use but not so great on the bars so your impressions specifically on the beam for bar use would be appreciated. The Storm Pro definitely has lots of features and performance for the money, just trying to figure out its personality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Considering the design similarities and the fact that both the Cygolite 800 and 950 are horizontally adjustable I took one of the mounts apart and not surprisingly found a commonly used plastic washer that allows for rotation while still maintaining enough tightness to remain stable. Even though the Cygolite is a QR vs the strap on the Ceco the single screw retention is basically the same and I'm guessing the washer is something left off the clone (Ceco) mount which could easily be fitted with a substitute. Did I guess right?
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    On the Ceco the part that pivots must be a part with teeth. Once loosened it ratchets at the setting you chose ( then you retighten the screw ). After I got home last night from a nice 18.5 miler I adjusted the Ceco just one position to the right. Not sure how this will look when I ride but I should know by tonight when I take it for a ride again.

    Going forward if it points too far off to the right then it might be possible to disassemble the mount and maybe replace the part that has teeth with a rubber washer. If that works I'll be able to adjust on the fly. Thanks for the idea.



    Now about that Moon lamp the guy mentioned. Sounds very interesting but like you said it looks like a very narrow beam pattern

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Thanks for posting on this light...your impressions specifically on the beam for bar use would be appreciated. The Storm Pro definitely has lots of features and performance for the money, just trying to figure out its personality.
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    The VLS feature is new for this year I believe, it is not on the model I got last year. I had it helmet mounted with BT40S on the bar and rode at normal single track pace. With helmet fitted snugly you do forget its there. With only the Moon bar mounted, it was just as effective as the BT40S for tight twisty trails and definitely brighter. Soon Iíll take and post photos from a straight wooded trail with log features to show its character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heist30 View Post
    The VLS feature is new for this year I believe, it is not on the model I got last year. I had it helmet mounted with BT40S on the bar and rode at normal single track pace. With helmet fitted snugly you do forget its there. With only the Moon bar mounted, it was just as effective as the BT40S for tight twisty trails and definitely brighter. Soon Iíll take and post photos from a straight wooded trail with log features to show its character.
    Look forward to seeing the photo! I spent some time on the Moon-Sport site tonight looking over the specs. on the different Meteor Storm models and I have another question although I'm not sure if it pertains to your older version. It looks like the two emitters have a different beam angle (described as wide and narrow) that are controllable individually. Is that how your light works? Was also surprised they even have a model specifically set up for fog that utilizes 1 6500K emitter paired with 1 4000K emitter that can be operated individually (Wow, surprised to see that level of specialization). Familiarization with this light is proving to be interesting!
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    comments on Moon M. Storm and Ceco 1000

    About the Moon Meteor Storm; The website lists two different beam projection angles. That has me confused as I see no visible difference in the two emitter optics.

    Funny but when I hit the link that MRM put up my McAfee anti-virus gave me a pop-up warning me this was a dangerous site and asked me if I still wanted to go there....I said yes and was very disappointed that there was no porn anywhere on the site.

    @MRM; When I adjusted the Ceco 1000 a notch over to the right that spot turned out to be perfect so I'm good. I took it for a short ride last night and the new position was a vast improvement ( which of course makes the lamp much more usable )

    Seems the best setting on the Ceco that I like the most is called the medium setting ( steady output settings are as listed; High, med-high, medium and low ). The medium setting is just about perfect for anything other than an all out super fast down hill run. Even better that setting is listed as providing 3 hrs of run time. It's now time to test the run time which I will do on the med-high setting so I don't have to wait too long or worry about over heating. ( med-high is listed as 2 hrs. of run time ) BTW, I put a little White Lightning lube on the mount and now have no problem removing the lamp from the quick release mount.

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    I was quite excited to get this light. Light weight, very high max lux numbers (good throw), promise of performance/efficiency a step above its competition through the use of two emitters compared to everyone elses one, and good reviews to boot. Initial testing weren't tooo impressive and ended up with so many issues I decided to contact Blackburn. Working with them was great and they sent me a new light with no questions asked but unfortunately the light had identical problems. Why the light has gotten good reviews from others I don't know? My lights overheat quickly in the highest mode, output degrades very quickly in the 800 claimed lumen med. mode but is usable at about 500 lumens where it is somewhat stable. and has limited runtimes. This mornings ride only confirmed the problems I had when doing indoor testing and since I have 2 examples from different sources I have to assume this is normal performance for this light. I'm going to contact Blackburn again to see what they have to say. I'd love to hear from someone else who owns one of these. Here's an output chart I made comparing the Blackburn's med. mode (black line) to my usual whipping boy light the Lumina Micro 850 high mode output and the red line represents a less expensive Sigma Buster 700 that IMO would be a better place to spend your money.

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    This light really bothers me! I continue to look around and still have yet to find another bad professional or customer review. The two examples I have (from different sources) overheat so easily in the highest preset mode (and I'm not surprised after removing the battery access cover which is the entire exposed surface of the back 3/4 of the light whose only thermal path is a small area around the one screw that holds it on) yet no complaints from any other source I can find (???). Maybe other owners don't care about highest mode performance? Makes no sense to me that anyone would spend $90 to get a 1100 lumen rated light that will only run a couple of minutes in top mode before stepping down (making that mode useless IMO) but it does work "OK" in the med (800 lumen) mode. So today's predawn ride I only used what was needed and stayed in the low (400 lumen) mode for 95% of the ride and from the rider's point of view it worked pretty well. This light has lots of top spill (see ride picture of how it was aimed) but provided good visibility. The med. mode initially provides quite a bit more brightness but output degrades fairly rapidly (still better than the very popular Lumina Micro 850) and even though the claimed 2 hr. runtime is reachable usable is less than 90 min. So low is probably best usable mode (I need to do a runtime vs output test on the low mode for this light). Would especially love to hear from someone who owns a Dayblazer 1100 and is satisfied with it. I love pretty much any bike light but this one I just don't get.
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    Hey Cat, your Ceco 1000 has appreciated on Amazon to $57.95
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Hey Cat, your Ceco 1000 has appreciated on Amazon to $57.95
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    Check that again. I think you saw the version that is sold along with a rear lamp. That one is $57.95. The Ceco 1000 by itself is $39.95.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Check that again. I think you saw the version that is sold along with a rear lamp. That one is $57.95. The Ceco 1000 by itself is $39.95.
    Rear Lamp, where did that come from? Stupid me!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Look forward to seeing the photo! ... It looks like the two emitters have a different beam angle (described as wide and narrow) that are controllable individually. Is that how your light works? ...
    My model does have the wide and narrow but not controllable.

    These were taken on iPhone so not the greatest... BT40S vs MMSP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heist30 View Post
    My model does have the wide and narrow but not controllable.
    Thanks!! I'm not 100% sure you can adjust the new ones individually it's just an assumption I made from the way Moon listed output and runtimes for wide and narrow mode. Curious if you think that beam shot I posted from Moon is a accurate representation of what you see using your light?
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    Had trouble with the photos... they're in my last post now...

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    New light series from Ravemen & Cateye



    I just spotted these new light listings. I don't know anything about them other than what's on their respective site descriptions but anything totally new is always of interest. Both series are priced on the lower end, Ravemen is a new line in addition to existing models, Cateye may be a replacement for the Volt series (which I'm not sure is a good thing yet).


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    Interesting thing I saw on these lights is throw appears to be considerably greater than any of the CR models.

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    Price points are a lot lower than the Volt series but at the expense of smaller capacity batteries and shorter runtimes.

    https://www.cateyeamerica.com/ampp-lights

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post

    I just spotted these new light listings. I don't know anything about them other than what's on their respective site descriptions but anything totally new is always of interest. Both series are priced on the lower end, Ravemen is a new line in addition to existing models, Cateye may be a replacement for the Volt series (which I'm not sure is a good thing yet).


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    Interesting thing I saw on these lights is throw appears to be considerably greater than any of the CR models.

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    Price points are a lot lower than the Volt series but at the expense of smaller capacity batteries and shorter runtimes.

    https://www.cateyeamerica.com/ampp-lights

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    The LR series from Raveman look interesting but.....major deal killer....the battery. If I were to buy the 800P, like all the other Raveman self-contained lamps I'm going to be using the mid-mode ( second mode from the max output ) most of the time. That mode on the 800P is only listing the second mode as having a 1.9 hr. run time ( @ 450 lumen ). Not enough run time for my needs. I like knowing the second mode will give me at least 2.5hrs. If they were going to limit the battery capacity to 2600 mAh they should have set the second mode to 400 lumen ( like the CR-700 )

    Both the Raveman CR-700 and CR-900 will give me 2.5 hrs or more ( CR-700 ~ 2.7 hrs @ 400 lumen ) ( CR-900 ~ 2.5 hrs. @ 450 lumen with 3000 mAh battery)

    The 2600mAh battery that is used in the new 800P is probably the same battery used in the CR-700 ( and lower models ). I'm having a hard time understanding "Why?" Raveman continues to use only a 2600 mAh battery in all of their self-contained lights except for the CR-900. The new 800P should at least be using a battery in the 3000 mAh range.

    With lamps like these the second mode is the "bread and butter" mode, the mode most likely to be used 80% of the time. If you think you might like to ride more than two hours this is the mode you are using most of the time. I should also mention that the CR series with it's cut-off beam pattern and more choices for lower steady modes is the more practical solution if you ride both road and paved MUP's. I like the "eco" mode on the CR series because it allows you to "power down to the max" to keep from blinding pedestrians and other users when on MUP's.

    The new LR series seems to have eliminated the "eco" mode....big mistake IMO, especially if the LR series has more throw. ( 200 lumen is still blinding to people in the direct line of sight unless you have the option to power down another lower mode ( via remote ) or otherwise tilt the lamp down when you see people. Need I say, tilting the lamp down is not only tedious and inconvenient but is not always going to be an option because it means taking one hand off the bars to move the lamp. Depending on the situation that might not be something you can do safely and keep control of the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    The LR series from Raveman look interesting but.....major deal killer....the battery. If I were to buy the 800P, like all the other Raveman self-contained lamps I'm going to be using the mid-mode ( second mode from the max output ) most of the time. That mode on the 800P is only listing the second mode as having a 1.9 hr. run time ( @ 450 lumen ). Not enough run time for my needs. I like knowing the second mode will give me at least 2.5hrs. If they were going to limit the battery capacity to 2600 mAh they should have set the second mode to 400 lumen ( like the CR-700 )

    Both the Raveman CR-700 and CR-900 will give me 2.5 hrs or more ( CR-700 ~ 2.7 hrs @ 400 lumen ) ( CR-900 ~ 2.5 hrs. @ 450 lumen with 3000 mAh battery)

    The 2600mAh battery that is used in the new 800P is probably the same battery used in the CR-700 ( and lower models ). I'm having a hard time understanding "Why?" Raveman continues to use only a 2600 mAh battery in all of their self-contained lights except for the CR-900. The new 800P should at least be using a battery in the 3000 mAh range.

    With lamps like these the second mode is the "bread and butter" mode, the mode most likely to be used 80% of the time. If you think you might like to ride more than two hours this is the mode you are using most of the time. I should also mention that the CR series with it's cut-off beam pattern and more choices for lower steady modes is the more practical solution if you ride both road and paved MUP's. I like the "eco" mode on the CR series because it allows you to "power down to the max" to keep from blinding pedestrians and other users when on MUP's.

    The new LR series seems to have eliminated the "eco" mode....big mistake IMO, especially if the LR series has more throw. ( 200 lumen is still blinding to people in the direct line of sight unless you have the option to power down another lower mode ( via remote ) or otherwise tilt the lamp down when you see people. Need I say, tilting the lamp down is not only tedious and inconvenient but is not always going to be an option because it means taking one hand off the bars to move the lamp. Depending on the situation that might not be something you can do safely and keep control of the bike.
    Sounds like the CR's are a better fit for you and I get it. Comparing two of my very similar lights, the Sigma Buster 700 and Cygolite Metro Plus 800, The Sigma has a nicer highest mode (a little more power in a nicer tint), nicer UI and mode button feel and if I used these lights mostly off road I'd pick the Sigma as my favorite. Thing is though is with my health problems this yr. I've not graduated to doing any serious dirt riding (I'd probably use other lights for that anyway) and riding canal paths and very light trails the med. and low modes get more usage. In those modes the Cygolite maybe only runs about 30-50 lumens higher than the Sigma but that works better for me and overall I like and use the Cygolite quite a bit more. If you asked my to describe these two lights individually I might say the same exact things but minor differences make the Cygolite the best fit and my favorite. I'm thinkoing the LR is going to be a better fit for faster riders that maybe limited by the CR's throw. I think this one is still on my interested list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    ... If you asked my to describe these two lights individually I might say the same exact things but minor differences make the Cygolite the best fit and my favorite. I'm thinking the LR is going to be a better fit for faster riders that may be limited by the CR's throw. I think this one is still on my interested list.
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    I have to admit....I am very interested in the Raveman LR800P. Since I started messing around with the Ceco 1000 I've found the beam pattern ( longer throw ) to be quite useful. On my last ride I had a novel idea that it might be interesting to use both the Ceco and Raveman CR-900 at the same time....both set on the third mode. This turned out to be a really good idea. As far as beam patterns go, they compliment each other very well. Not to mention if I find I want a little more side light I just crank the CR-900 up to it's med/high mode.

    The Ceco 1000 has turned out to be a most useful lamp. I find myself using it more and more. It does have one major fault though. The U.I. scrolls from lower to high. Personally I like a "road lamp" to scroll from High to low. My reasoning behind this is because if you are using a lamp on the road and you are in a fairly bright mode, you want the option to be able to quickly dim the lamp. Can't do this with the Ceco. If you are using the brighter mid/high mode and want to dim the lamp, you have to go through the brightest mode first and then the flashing mode to get to the lower steady modes. Do not know what they were thinking when they programmed the U. I. this way. Now what I can do is turn the Ceco off if I don't want to blind anyone. As long as the CR-900 is on a lower mode I really don't have to do anything else. Right now this is working for me but man, my handlebars are really starting to get crowded.

    Anyway...I'm now thinking that it might be interesting to do the same thing but with one of the LR-800P's. ( with the optional remote ) Wish I knew how much they are asking for one of these. I don't see them being sold on any website yet.. ( * The search for the perfect beam pattern continues... )

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    The LR800P is listed on the 'Merlin Cycles' site to a price of 53 EUR = 59 USD:

    https://www.merlincycles.com/ravemen...ht-155959.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post

    Anyway...I'm now thinking that it might be interesting to do the same thing but with one of the LR-800P's. ( with the optional remote ) Wish I knew how much they are asking for one of these. I don't see them being sold on any website yet.. ( * The search for the perfect beam pattern continues... )
    From the pictures I've seen your PR1200 remote may be identical?
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    Any idea how the Outbound Hangover will compare to these? I'm in the market for a self contained helmet light.

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    So if youi had to recommend a self contained light for rocky trail lighting that had helmet mount and a wide angle with ability to make out over a 1000 Lumens for 90 minutes and up to 3.5-4 hours around 600-700 lumens what would everyones favorite be.

    I still love my Cygolite TrindenX with extended battery that seems to go forever but thinking of picking up a new self contained helmet mount light for quick and ease of use.
    XC, Road, XXC, Endurance, Mtn, All-Mtn, Cross, Gravel, just go have fun on 2 wheels!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedy-DK View Post
    The LR800P is listed on the 'Merlin Cycles' site to a price of 53 EUR = 59 USD:

    https://www.merlincycles.com/ravemen...ht-155959.html
    I'll be danged. I checked the Merlin website yesterday and did not see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdgentile View Post
    Any idea how the Outbound Hangover will compare to these? I'm in the market for a self contained helmet light.
    Of course we won't for sure on the Hangover till they release a production unit but I'd expect the Hangover to be much better at everything except price. The Ravemen (assuming that's the light your referring to) is more of a commuter light from what I can see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HEMIjer View Post
    So if youi had to recommend a self contained light for rocky trail lighting that had helmet mount and a wide angle with ability to make out over a 1000 Lumens for 90 minutes and up to 3.5-4 hours around 600-700 lumens what would everyones favorite be.

    I still love my Cygolite TrindenX with extended battery that seems to go forever but thinking of picking up a new self contained helmet mount light for quick and ease of use.
    For MTB'n on the helmet....Self-contained isn't going to work well. If you are running anything over 1000 lumen the battery is going to drain really fast. For me I have a choice to use either a Wiz XP-3 or Gemini Duo and then mount a 2-cell battery to the helmet. Even that feels too heavy on the head to me. My best option for self-contained (mtb) helmet use is my Convoy M1 torch. I can run mine on a mode that is about 600 lumen and that works pretty well and I can carry extra 18650 cells if I'm going to be riding longer than two hours. Of course if I let the M1 run @ 600 lumen continuously I'd likely only see about 1.25 hrs of run time on a single cell and I'm sure the output would likely drop significantly somewhere around the 1 hr. mark. ( **please note; My M1 is a custom version. Boost mode is around 1200 lumen but the boost mode has a timer to prevent over heating. I think mine is set around 1.5-2 minutes ( I forget now ) )

    The Outbound Hangover is a new lamp. If it does what the manufacturers say it will do this might be a better option. However, it's still a self contained lamp so run time will be limited. I doubt it will get over three hours if using the highest output mode and no telling how much throw it will have using the multiple LED strategy. I'm not shooting it down, just need to see some user reviews and beam shots. If it can throw at least 150 feet on the brightest mode and last at least 2.5 hrs without feeling like you have a lead weight on your head, the Hangover could be a great option for the helmet when mountain biking at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I'll be danged. I checked the Merlin website yesterday and did not see it.
    They stuck it close to the tail end of the light listings so it was easy to miss. The Merlin site is actually where I first saw it so it's been there for a few days anyway.
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    "If it can throw at least 150 feet on the brightest mode and last at least 2.5 hrs without feeling like you have a lead weight on your head"

    Unless we've had some new battery tech or significant LED tech the last 6 months or so I doubt this can be accomplished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post

    The Outbound Hangover is a new lamp. If it does what the manufacturers say it will do this might be a better option. However, it's still a self contained lamp so run time will be limited. I doubt it will get over three hours if using the highest output mode and no telling how much throw it will have using the multiple LED strategy. I'm not shooting it down, just need to see some user reviews and beam shots. If it can throw at least 150 feet on the brightest mode and last at least 2.5 hrs without feeling like you have a lead weight on your head, the Hangover could be a great option for the helmet when mountain biking at night.
    2 hrs. @ 800-900 lumens (consistent), 100 grams total weight w/battery. I believe this is a usb charge on the fly light so extending the total runtime should be no problem. Light unit weight + being able to position your alt. power source lower should make this a self-contained mounting dream. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised but am not expecting to see 150' of throw. As you said, "if it meets all its claims". Time will tell!
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    Whats new!



    First I want to acknowledge the email I got from Outbound updating production status of the new Hangover light. Unfortunately the news is there's going to be a delay in release to fix some things Matt wasn't satisfied with. So while we wait I have 2 new lights coming (Moon Meteor Storm Pro & Ravemen LR800P). The Ravemen is a totally new light so interesting to see what I get. The MMSP has been around for a while and is a higher powered dual battery/emitter light that I picked up for a little under $80, so affordable and lots of good customer reviews (we'll see).

    Updates on newer lights I'm currently riding with (Cygolite 800 & 950, Blackburn Dayblazer 1100, Sigma Buster 700)?

    Most of my ride time recently has been spent using the Cygolite 800. Riding around on the canal banks is where I've spent most of the time in my currebt cardiac recovery condition so med/low gets the most use (on the 800). I like the extra output of the 950 in the higher modes but for some reason low is less powerful than it is on the 800 and a little bit below my comfort threshold for the amount of light I need so the ability to use low on the 800 extends the range for me over the 950.

    It's hard to find anything to complain about with the Sigma Buster 700 and if its beam were as wide as the Cygolite's it would be my favorite. It's still the best for the helmet for me so as I recover and graduate back to more off road no doubt it will see more usage. So as I said, no problems, no complaints, great little light!

    The Blackburn has had a bit of good and bad as of late. The good is I was testing both 1100's side by side for runtimes vs. output in the high mode and noticed the newer replacement unit had about a 100 lumen advantage over the original for the first 75% of that mode + a bit smoother transition down as power degraded with diminished batter capacity. Both lights still overheat quickly using the highest Blitz mode but Blackburns replacement unit at least is usable in all the lower ones. Heat seems to be the downfall to the 1100 but I have some ideas I can try and hope to get the Blitz mode controlled enough to get some use out of it. So hope is the good news, the bad is the rubber strap mount broke. Nothing more to say about this other than it was a PITA to use anyway!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    The Blackburn has had a bit of good and bad as of late. The good is I was testing both 1100's side by side for runtimes vs. output in the high mode and noticed the newer replacement unit had about a 100 lumen advantage over the original for the first 75% of that mode + a bit smoother transition down as power degraded with diminished batter capacity. Both lights still overheat quickly using the highest Blitz mode but Blackburns replacement unit at least is usable in all the lower ones. Heat seems to be the downfall to the 1100 but I have some ideas I can try and hope to get the Blitz mode controlled enough to get some use out of it.
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    Well hopes dashed rather quickly on this! I mounted one of my "Vancbiker finned gopro mounts" to the Blackburn which are usually good for at least a ten degree drop in operating temp. Unfortunately what I believe is a poor thermal path didn't allow the mount to help any in this situation. Light steps down to low within a couple of minutes of turn on (at a low case temp.) and case temp. continues to rise from there if the light is turned off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    ......Light steps down to low within a couple of minutes of turn on (at a low case temp.) and case temp. continues to rise from there if the light is turned off...
    Pretty typical symptom of a design with a poor thermal path with the driver closely coupled to the emitters.

    No amount of external heatsinking will help that. Any plans to disassemble and see what's up inside?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    Pretty typical symptom of a design with a poor thermal path with the driver closely coupled to the emitters.

    No amount of external heatsinking will help that. Any plans to disassemble and see what's up inside?
    Another interesting thing I noticed flash lux readings equivalent to way over 2000 lumens at start up so lots of internal heat to deal with + by the time the light is stepping down to protect itself case temp. has only gotten to about 100F. Pretty safe bet a little thermal paste isn't going to make much of a difference so probably not going to waste any more time with this light.
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    New lights came in!


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    The Moon Meteor Pro looks like it's going to take a while to charge so I'll save that for later but the Ravemen LR800P is ready to go with minimal initial charging time and I want to go for at least a short ride! "Well it's small" is my first impression (full size Lumina for comparison). I used the provided strap mount tonight but I checked and it will work with the bolt on standard PR series mounts which is what I plan on using. Remote off my PR also works for this light. Read instructions and was surprised it said nothing about charge on the fly being limited to the lowest mode, "Hmmm". Plugged in my PR900 and LR worked in all the modes but want to investigate further before I say this is OK (fantastic if it is). So 17.5 miles sharing the bars with my PR900 for beam comparison. Performance of the LR800P very closely matches the PR900 (Hi mode) and best way I can think of to describe the difference in beam pattern is slightly different version of the same thing. Dual emitter PR has a little wider beam (very little) with a bit more light at the very front of the bike but new LR800P appears to have more throw. Both lights provide a nice flood pattern and side by side comparison required to tell any difference.
    Comparing flood only 400 lumen mode of the PR to the LR's mid level 450 lumen mode there's a big difference. In these settings the LR is much brighter looking than the 50 lumen difference and has a big throw advantage while only being slighty narrower and my guess posses's a fair amount more than it's claimed lumen amount (I haven't measured this light yet). Looks good so far, ramifications of charge on the fly in higher output modes is huge IMO. More to come and some Moon info too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I have to admit....I am very interested in the Raveman LR800P. Since I started messing around with the Ceco 1000 I've found the beam pattern ( longer throw ) to be quite useful. On my last ride I had a novel idea that it might be interesting to use both the Ceco and Raveman CR-900 at the same time....both set on the third mode. This turned out to be a really good idea. As far as beam patterns go, they compliment each other very well. Not to mention if I find I want a little more side light I just crank the CR-900 up to it's med/high mode.

    The Ceco 1000 has turned out to be a most useful lamp. I find myself using it more and more. It does have one major fault though. The U.I. scrolls from lower to high. Personally I like a "road lamp" to scroll from High to low. My reasoning behind this is because if you are using a lamp on the road and you are in a fairly bright mode, you want the option to be able to quickly dim the lamp. Can't do this with the Ceco. If you are using the brighter mid/high mode and want to dim the lamp, you have to go through the brightest mode first and then the flashing mode to get to the lower steady modes. Do not know what they were thinking when they programmed the U. I. this way. Now what I can do is turn the Ceco off if I don't want to blind anyone. As long as the CR-900 is on a lower mode I really don't have to do anything else. Right now this is working for me but man, my handlebars are really starting to get crowded.

    Anyway...I'm now thinking that it might be interesting to do the same thing but with one of the LR-800P's. ( with the optional remote ) Wish I knew how much they are asking for one of these. I don't see them being sold on any website yet.. ( * The search for the perfect beam pattern continues... )
    I just got the ceco and am impressed, tho I'd love to diffuse it a bit. Any way to do this? Thanks!

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    The Moon Meteor Pro looks like it's going to take a while to charge so I'll save that for later but the Ravemen LR800P is ready to go with minimal initial charging time and I want to go for at least a short ride! "Well it's small" is my first impression (full size Lumina for comparison). I used the provided strap mount tonight but I checked and it will work with the bolt on standard PR series mounts which is what I plan on using. Remote off my PR also works for this light. Read instructions and was surprised it said nothing about charge on the fly being limited to the lowest mode, "Hmmm". Plugged in my PR900 and LR worked in all the modes but want to investigate further before I say this is OK (fantastic if it is). So 17.5 miles sharing the bars with my PR900 for beam comparison. Performance of the LR800P very closely matches the PR900 (Hi mode) and best way I can think of to describe the difference in beam pattern is slightly different version of the same thing. Dual emitter PR has a little wider beam (very little) with a bit more light at the very front of the bike but new LR800P appears to have more throw. Both lights provide a nice flood pattern and side by side comparison required to tell any difference.
    Comparing flood only 400 lumen mode of the PR to the LR's mid level 450 lumen mode there's a big difference. In these settings the LR is much brighter looking than the 50 lumen difference and has a big throw advantage while only being slighty narrower and my guess posses's a fair amount more than it's claimed lumen amount (I haven't measured this light yet). Looks good so far, ramifications of charge on the fly in higher output modes is huge IMO. More to come and some Moon info too.
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    I did get a chance to make some quick measurements on both these lights this morning. For those interested estimated lumen values for the modes on the LR800 are hi/med/low, 870/519/264. Seems pretty representative of what I saw last night, initial output good and we'll see how it fares by the end of the modes runtime. Very happy with the med. mode and hope it doesn't degrade much. Looking for a power bank it looks like I can add another 5000 mAh for around $10 which should give me almost 4 hrs. at the highest setting. Keeping my fingers crossed that possibility of charging on the fly will work in the higher modes. Will make a nice setup if everything works out.
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    More LR800P



    Took the Ravemen out with the Cygolite Metro 800+ to see how it compares to one of my favorites in the under 1000 lumen self-contained category. Like the previous night both lights were very evenly matched in output but beam pattern of the Cygolite was definitely more focused (throwy) and narrower (given the even output) than the LR was to its PR900 relative. Did get about a mile of mild dirt trail in and my impression is that the LR will make an excellent bar flood for mtn. biking and for off-road I'd prefer the LR's wider beam but for faster work like on a road bike the Cygolite would be my choice between these two. I also used the bolt on bar mount from my PR900 with the LR last night. I don't care for strap mounts and even though it worked fine I preferred the more solid mounting of the PR's mount. I'm adding a link to Merlin Cycles for the mount since it's $7 (they'll probably add some shipping if that's all you order) at Merlin and $27 on Amazon (???). I ordered a small round power bank to suppliment the battery on this light and the new Outbound Hangover when they release it. Unfortunately this light definitely needs some more range for my riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Looking for a power bank it looks like I can add another 5000 mAh for around $10 which should give me almost 4 hrs. at the highest setting. Keeping my fingers crossed that possibility of charging on the fly will work in the higher modes. Will make a nice setup if everything works out.
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    Excellent news on "charge on the fly" in the higher modes. Send a email to Ravemen inquiring about it and here's the reply.



    Feel free to charge the light as itís one of its key features and there wonít be any problem to do that while itís being used. Charge the light when itís at highest mode will only extend the run time of this mode without damaging the light.



    Does it not charge at all in the higher modes or is it not capable of charging enough to run the light but still charges as much as it can?


    When itís at highest mode, itís not capable of charging the light fully but still charges.
    Can't ask for more than that!!! There's one "Cat" that I know that will be excited about this
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    When itís at highest mode, itís not capable of charging the light fully but still charges.
    Well it took a couple of tries but I finally got it to charge on the fly. So far all my testing has been done in the hi mode with the first try being a total failure and the light shutting down at a very accurate to Ravemens claims 1:14 (sht). Next try I used the quick charge cable that came with the light and noticed when I plugged it in the lights mode button flashed red (like it should when charging). Light was almost fully charged so the flashing red turned to green within a few seconds so I figured good to go (wrong). After about 40 min. running in high I noticed the output degrading slightly like it would if running on internal battery only so hit the function button on the powerbank which showed full charge but also started up the flashing red on the mode button of the light. Looks like the trick is to make sure the lights mode button is flashing red (charging) cause it ran fine from that point and output over the claimed lumen amount till I finally shut it off after 2.5 hrs. running in high! So it looks like with a properly trained operator it will at least come pretty close to being able to keep up with the hi modes current demands. Output vs. runtime chart is of internal battery only.
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    LR800P runtimes are fairly short but output is impressive for its ratings. Strong 450 lumen rated med. mode (530 - 600 lumens) is much brighter than the 400 lumen rated cutoff beam on my PR900 and much more useful!

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    Hello Mr Mole and others. Cannondale Dundee here making my first post. I appreciate all the info I have gathered from these forums over the last few years, you guys have been a great blessing, again Thanks. I am using a Zebralight H600w MkIV XHP neutral white on my helmet for a while. It is 4500k and Iím wanting to add a light to my bars, preferably the same color light and I like self contained 18650 units. Iím looking at several options. Zebralight has the same light in Flood or Floody which Iíve read to get the Floody version before. I also emailed Zebralight and they responded with a recommendation to get a Floody Flashlight specifically the SC600Fd with the XHP50 / 5000k or the SC700Fd with the XHP70.2 / 5000k and the 21700 battery which I was hoping to avoid. Both of these are high CRI and run times are unknown as far as I know. I do love my Zebralight and would like to go that direction but another option I have seriously considered is adding the Outbound Lighting Trail edition to my current headlamp. In an email from OBL they stated their light to be around the 4500k mark. Thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannondale Dundee View Post
    Hello Mr Mole and others. Cannondale Dundee here making my first post. I appreciate all the info I have gathered from these forums over the last few years, you guys have been a great blessing, again Thanks. I am using a Zebralight H600w MkIV XHP neutral white on my helmet for a while. It is 4500k and Iím wanting to add a light to my bars, preferably the same color light and I like self contained 18650 units. Iím looking at several options. Zebralight has the same light in Flood or Floody which Iíve read to get the Floody version before. I also emailed Zebralight and they responded with a recommendation to get a Floody Flashlight specifically the SC600Fd with the XHP50 / 5000k or the SC700Fd with the XHP70.2 / 5000k and the 21700 battery which I was hoping to avoid. Both of these are high CRI and run times are unknown as far as I know. I do love my Zebralight and would like to go that direction but another option I have seriously considered is adding the Outbound Lighting Trail edition to my current headlamp. In an email from OBL they stated their light to be around the 4500k mark. Thanks in advance
    Since you stated you want a self-contained lamp that uses neutral white emitter(s), you might want to check out what Fenix has to offer. You also stated you wanted something with a wide beam. Since I also own a Zebralight with a NW XHP type emitter, if I was wanting something for MTB that was designed for the bars, rather than buy another Zebralight I think I'd go with the Fenix BC30 which is a dual emitter lamp. With two emitters you should have no problem getting a wide beam pattern with the added plus of replaceable ( on the fly ) 18650 batteries. Run times and mode output settings look very nice with the BC30. Batteries not included but if you have some of the newer Panasonic or LG cells you will get excellent run times.

    On the other hand if you want something smaller you have other Fenix choices that look pretty decent. ( Note; all Fenix lamps use NW emitters ). You might like the new BC35R with built in 5200mAh battery. Looks to have a fairly wide beam pattern and has some decent run times listed as well as a digital read out so you don't get left in the dark ( not to mention a two button remote ). Check the Fenix website yourself and decide what you think might serve your best needs. ( other single emitter Fenix lamps of interest; BC21R and BC25R ) The 21R allows for replacing the 18650 cell on the fly although the beam pattern is a bit narrow.

    @MRM; Damn it man! How does the beam pattern of the new Raveman LR800 compare with the older Ravemans with the different type of front cut-off lens? Is is wide enough to light up a two lane road? Great news to hear that it actually will charge and run on high while being charged with an external USB bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannondale Dundee View Post
    Hello Mr Mole and others. Cannondale Dundee here making my first post. I appreciate all the info I have gathered from these forums over the last few years, you guys have been a great blessing, again Thanks. I am using a Zebralight H600w MkIV XHP neutral white on my helmet for a while. It is 4500k and Iím wanting to add a light to my bars, preferably the same color light and I like self contained 18650 units. Iím looking at several options. Zebralight has the same light in Flood or Floody which Iíve read to get the Floody version before. I also emailed Zebralight and they responded with a recommendation to get a Floody Flashlight specifically the SC600Fd with the XHP50 / 5000k or the SC700Fd with the XHP70.2 / 5000k and the 21700 battery which I was hoping to avoid. Both of these are high CRI and run times are unknown as far as I know. I do love my Zebralight and would like to go that direction but another option I have seriously considered is adding the Outbound Lighting Trail edition to my current headlamp. In an email from OBL they stated their light to be around the 4500k mark. Thanks in advance
    Here's a couple of pictures that include the Outbound Trail with a couple of other NW lights I have. Personally I don't see much difference in tint comparing them side by side.

    Gloworm CX NWw/ww optic over Outbound trail
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    Both these lights are considerably larger than your Zebralight but have programmable presets and changeable optics allowing beam pattern changes. Curious why you are less interested in the Zebralight 21700 equipped light? Extra mass would make it more thermally stable and you'd probably relize close to 50% extra total runtime from the larger capacity battery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    @MRM; Damn it man! How does the beam pattern of the new Raveman LR800 compare with the older Ravemans with the different type of front cut-off lens? Is is wide enough to light up a two lane road? Great news to hear that it actually will charge and run on high while being charged with an external USB bank.
    Beam pattern is definitely different. Not sure I would even call it a cut-off beam, elliptical would be more accurate. Not quite as wide as the cut-off beam on my PR900 but the med. mode (450 lumen rated but actual peaked @ 600 near the end of runtime) is much brighter and noticeably more throw.

    PR900 Max. setting cut-off side only (400 lumen rated) / LR800P Med. setting (450 lumen rated)
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    I'm curious if the "charge on the fly" feature will work similarly on your CR700 (or any other Ravemen light with that feature/do they all have it now?). I did a ride with the powerbank a couple of nights ago and it worked great. I hadn't charged the powerbank so it only had maybe 30% left but still went right to work charging with the light in the med. mode and seemed to drain itself before relying on the charge in the lights internal battery.

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    I know you were interested in how the beam pattern on this light looked too. I've only ridded with it once and have kept it put away till I'm through evaluating the LR800P. Beam reminds me most of my Gemini Olympia lights. Looks like it will be a great high powered self-contained bargain.
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    Thanks MRM. It was hard to tell very much difference between the LR-800 and the beam pattern from the your PR-900 since the comparisons were basically inside and short ranged. However I could tell that the PR900 ( using the single cutoff optic only ) still looked to put more light down closer to the source. Judging from this I can only surmise that the LR-800 will not be as wide once giving the chance to be used on the bike. It will, as you have already said, have more distance throw. This should make it more useful if riding at speed but perhaps not as useful going around turns.

    What now seems to "make the CAt curious", so to speak is how the LR-800 compares to your Cygolite. Which do you think is the more useful. In keeping with that thought I can't help but also wonder how the LR-800 might compare with my Ceco 1000. The Ceco, like the LR-800 will also run and charge via USB at the same time and can run on it's highest mode while charging. Of course the drawback of using the "charge and run" feature of the LR is that you can't use the wired remote at the same time. Not a big deal but if I had one I'd use the remote feature as long as possible and only use the battery back-up when I get the low warning light.

    I'm tempted to buy an LR-800 but if I do I want to see if I can find a USB power bank that only uses one 21 or 20700 cell ( and has a 2A output ). If I can find something like that I have no doubt that my credit card will crawl out of my pocket by itself and place an order for both items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Thanks MRM. It was hard to tell very much difference between the LR-800 and the beam pattern from the your PR-900 since the comparisons were basically inside and short ranged. However I could tell that the PR900 ( using the single cutoff optic only ) still looked to put more light down closer to the source. Judging from this I can only surmise that the LR-800 will not be as wide once giving the chance to be used on the bike. It will, as you have already said, have more distance throw. This should make it more useful if riding at speed but perhaps not as useful going around turns.
    Your correct, the LR800P's beam is not as wide. Flood beam is the only way I'd describe the LR800P but compared to the cut-off beam only portion of my PR900 there's no question that the PR900 has the wider beam.


    What now seems to "make the CAt curious", so to speak is how the LR-800 compares to your Cygolite. Which do you think is the more useful. In keeping with that thought I can't help but also wonder how the LR-800 might compare with my Ceco 1000. The Ceco, like the LR-800 will also run and charge via USB at the same time and can run on it's highest mode while charging. Of course the drawback of using the "charge and run" feature of the LR is that you can't use the wired remote at the same time. Not a big deal but if I had one I'd use the remote feature as long as possible and only use the battery back-up when I get the low warning light.
    Beam differences between LR800P and Cygolites' Metro 800+ are much greater. The LR800P is still a flood and beam is much wider but throw suffers compared to the Metro 800+. I suspect your Ceco may have the most throw of the lights we've been discussing lately but most useful between the Metro 800+ and the LR800P I'd go with the Cygolite (remember I've doing mostly MUP/Canal banks lately).



    I'm tempted to buy an LR-800 but if I do I want to see if I can find a USB power bank that only uses one 21 or 20700 cell ( and has a 2A output ). If I can find something like that I have no doubt that my credit card will crawl out of my pocket by itself and place an order for both items.
    For me I find the lack of throw on the CR series lights limiting but you seem fine with that so I'm not sure you won't be happiest with those lights. As far as powerbanks it will be iinteresting to see what we end up liking the best. The "Ravpower" 5000 mAh only cost me $8 and is just a round plastic tube with inlet and outlet ports on one end and a 4 light fuel gauge on the outside at one end (simple and cheap). Lots of higher capacity options to look in to!
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    I checked out that Fenix BC 30. Couldnít figure out the Kelvin (tint), only found a range of something like 3700-5000k. I have used the Zebra H600w with a light and Motion brand light on the bars and thatís not for me. I really donít know how exact I would require but those two clashed too much for me. The Fenix batteries are steep$, are there other more reasonable options. Iíve got some green Zebralight batteries but they are flat top. The medium setting looks like the mode I would use due to lower runtime. Is 500lumens enough? Havenít had any experience with that low of lumens Only other drawback would be that the weight is much more than any of the Zebra options. Speaking of which, the Zebra options include my same color and then the XHP 50, 50.2, 70.2 and also various Kelvin. Confusing stuff but I sure donít want much clash and preferably no clash.
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    Thanks again you guys for your replies. Made my day. m Mole, the two Zebra light flashlights I mentioned were recommended to me by the company and they are tempting but I donít like clash and they are different Kelvin and use different bulbs than my H600w Zebra. And also I donít have a charger for the 21700 batteries and was preferring to keep it simple with one battery type. All that said, I could definitely be swayed about any direction at this point. Small Zebra, Large Zebra, Outbound, or even Catís Fenix BC 30 although I was hoping for less weight than the OBL or Fenix. I like a lot of light too.

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    Tons of great content within this thread. Looking for a good option for both road and trail application. Needing helmet and bars. Not sure the best route to go and don't want to get too expensive into it. Was looking at the Cygolite, Ravemen and Niterider options. What would be good choices for both helmet and bars?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bremmick View Post
    Tons of great content within this thread. Looking for a good option for both road and trail application. Needing helmet and bars. Not sure the best route to go and don't want to get too expensive into it. Was looking at the Cygolite, Ravemen and Niterider options. What would be good choices for both helmet and bars?

    Thanks.
    Picking from your Brand list for the bars I go with an 800 lumen or higher PR series light. I've been really happy with my PR 900 casue it has the longest runtimes of any of these lights (800 has smaller batteries and larger lights draw more current). Ravemen doesn't make any lights I would consider helmet capable so I go with any of the over 800 lumen Cygolite metro series lights for helmet use. You could also use the new Ravemen LR8000P on the bars but runtimes are relatively short unless you don't mind running connected to a powerbank. Those would be my preferred choices but if you decide you wnat to go with NR don't run them with another brand. My 1200 has a very cool tint that's best paired with something similar (I think I'd go with the 1000 lumen model). Even though you get the extra comfort of lighter weight I don't recommend the Micro series since their output degrades fairly rapidly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannondale Dundee View Post
    I checked out that Fenix BC 30. Couldnít figure out the Kelvin (tint), only found a range of something like 3700-5000k. I have used the Zebra H600w with a light and Motion brand light on the bars and thatís not for me. I really donít know how exact I would require but those two clashed too much for me. The Fenix batteries are steep$, are there other more reasonable options. Iíve got some green Zebralight batteries but they are flat top. The medium setting looks like the mode I would use due to lower runtime. Is 500lumens enough? Havenít had any experience with that low of lumens Only other drawback would be that the weight is much more than any of the Zebra options. Speaking of which, the Zebra options include my same color and then the XHP 50, 50.2, 70.2 and also various Kelvin. Confusing stuff but I sure donít want much clash and preferably no clash.
    Thanks to you I hear Bob Seger singing in my brain about 17hrs a day lately. At least itís a great tune. Glad your name ainít Kama-Kama-Chameleon !!!
    You might call the Fenix people and ask them the exact Kelvin rating of the BC30. ( also ask them if the lamp requires protected cells ) I understand your skepticism. Some people consider 5000K to be NW, I don't.

    If I understand correctly you have the same Zebralight as myself ( same 4500K tint , XHP35 emitter and periscope type body design ). That type of torch throws out a very wide beam pattern. If you use this on the helmet it won't matter what light you buy for the bars because the two beam patterns will merge and make things look different. That's why it is always suggested that the bar lamp be the wider light source and that the helmet light have a more confined forward throw. That way the helmet lamp is less likely to change appearance of the bar lamp beam pattern and tint.

    The prices for the Fenix batteries were outrageous. I think the BC30 requires protected cells but I'm not sure about that. Protected cells are more costly. Your Zebralight doesn't require protected cells since the protection circuit is built into the lamp.

    Best place to buy name brand protected or non-protected cells in the U.S.A. is Orbtronic Orbtronic ( like Fenix ) does not make their own batteries. They take name brand batteries, put their own protection circuit on it and this allows them to put their own label on the cell.

    I think I can be pretty sure that the Fenix BC30 has some kind of low voltage warning because almost all lamps do. If it does you don't need protected cells as long as the voltage indicators work. Just switch out cells when you see the low power indication. Non-protected cells are much cheaper.

    After giving this a bit more thought...forget the BC30 and consider the Fenix BC21R. This is a single NW emitter lamp that is suppose to have some more forward throw. Coupled with you ZL on the lid it should let you see better in the distance when going straight. A year or so ago I tested my Zebralight on the lid using just a NW torch on the bars. I couldn't help but notice how much better I could see once I was going straight ahead. I had no problems with the intermixing of the beams. Another option ( probably the best option ) is to just buy a cheap Convoy S1 or S2 torch with NW emitter and use that on the bars. You can buy those cheap from the Chinese OR buy a custom torch build , get the emitter tint / UI you want and use that on the bars. Sorry, forgot to mention that you can buy cheap torch handlebar mounts on Ebay or Amazon.

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    I use an Acebeam EC65 on the bars.

    I really like the beam pattern which is essentially 1 giant even beam with no pronounced hotspot. It throws better than a pure flood light though.

    The 21700 battery is nice. These won't fit in my charger so I just use the lights built in USB charging.

    In order to make the light match my helmet, I had Skylumen swap the LEDs for Samsung 351 which are 4000K and 95CRI.



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    The Moon Meteor Pro looks like it's going to take a while to charge so I'll save that for later ...
    Hi MRMOLE (and others), how is your experience with battery drainage of the Moon Meteor Storm Pro 2019 version so far? Does the output degrades as rapidly as the Niterider lights or is it more stable? Will it keep giving the 1750 lumen for 2 hours as stated on the Moon website?

    I've been browsing and reading the forum for a couple of weeks. I see you guys have a lot of experience when it comes to bike lights. I started night riding a couple of weeks ago and I only use a cheap Chinese headlight for the moment. This is clearly not enough and I need more lumen/lux to keep up my speed during single track riding. My goal is 1h30min nite riding for max. 2 times a week.
    I want to buy the Moon Meteor Storm Pro for bar mounting. This light is in my budget and it seems that is has enough lumen for single track riding. (They advice aprox. 2000 lumen for bar mount and 1000 lumen for helmet mount.) I know there are other things than lumen that determine a good bikelight.

    I have read the bike light reviews and the beam comparisons at road.cc but they tested the 2016 and 2017 version of the light and not the 2019 version. I can't find a decent review of the lumen output VS. time.

    Thanks for the effort, any advice is welcome.
    The Ravemen and Cygolite lights also look nice but I think I prefer the Meteor Storm Pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buoyant View Post
    Hi MRMOLE (and others), how is your experience with battery drainage of the Moon Meteor Storm Pro 2019 version so far? Does the output degrades as rapidly as the Niterider lights or is it more stable? Will it keep giving the 1750 lumen for 2 hours as stated on the Moon website?

    I've been browsing and reading the forum for a couple of weeks. I see you guys have a lot of experience when it comes to bike lights. I started night riding a couple of weeks ago and I only use a cheap Chinese headlight for the moment. This is clearly not enough and I need more lumen/lux to keep up my speed during single track riding. My goal is 1h30min nite riding for max. 2 times a week.
    I want to buy the Moon Meteor Storm Pro for bar mounting. This light is in my budget and it seems that is has enough lumen for single track riding. (They advice aprox. 2000 lumen for bar mount and 1000 lumen for helmet mount.) I know there are other things than lumen that determine a good bikelight.

    I have read the bike light reviews and the beam comparisons at road.cc but they tested the 2016 and 2017 version of the light and not the 2019 version. I can't find a decent review of the lumen output VS. time.

    Thanks for the effort, any advice is welcome.
    The Ravemen and Cygolite lights also look nice but I think I prefer the Meteor Storm Pro.
    Sorry I've not gotten around to doing much with this light so far. It came in with another light that I started testing first but hope to get back to the Meteor Storm Pro by the end of the up coming week. First impressions from my 1 ride with it are all positive (VLS feature works great and very easy to use) and I did get a light meter reading on the Boost mode that calculated out to just over 2000 lumen's! That's all I've got for you so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    .....For me I find the lack of throw on the CR series lights limiting but you seem fine with that so I'm not sure you won't be happiest with those lights. As far as powerbanks it will be iinteresting to see what we end up liking the best. The "Ravpower" 5000 mAh only cost me $8 and is just a round plastic tube with inlet and outlet ports on one end and a 4 light fuel gauge on the outside at one end (simple and cheap). Lots of higher capacity options to look in to!
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    I just looked up the Ravpower 5000mah USB power banks. I like the type that you bought. The one I looked at though was about $16. No doubt it is using a 26650 cell or 21700. The round tube-like design looks better mounted on a bike. I'll probably buy one because although I don't need one at the moment I will at some point. The one I look at had a 2.4A output and a 2A input. Just what I've been looking for. My credit card bill is going kill me this month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I just looked up the Ravpower 5000mah USB power banks. I like the type that you bought. The one I looked at though was about $16. No doubt it is using a 26650 cell or 21700. The round tube-like design looks better mounted on a bike. I'll probably buy one because although I don't need one at the moment I will at some point. The one I look at had a 2.4A output and a 2A input. Just what I've been looking for. My credit card bill is going kill me this month.
    You should hold off buying that powerbank!!! I've only got a couple of rides with it, the first one just checking it out to see how everything worked and my last ride where it drained far quicker than I expected. I'm going to try to go out for a test now and if I don't get rained out (will do it indoors if I do) and will post what happens later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    You should hold off buying that powerbank!!! I've only got a couple of rides with it, the first one just checking it out to see how everything worked and my last ride where it drained far quicker than I expected. I'm going to try to go out for a test now and if I don't get rained out (will do it indoors if I do) and will post what happens later.
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    Okay I will. $16 is pretty inexpensive though. If you can give me the link to the one you bought so I can make sure we are talking about the same PBank. I might change my mind anyway and go with one of the 2-cell Anker power banks. The Anker's are well known and should be quite reliable.

    Now, with a new torch on the way I'm going to have to buy at least one 21700 cell. No problem with that but then I have to figure a way to charge it since I don't think my 4-bay cell charger will accommodate the longer cell. Orbtronic has both the cells ( 2 required for purchase ) and they have an affordable compatible Xtar charger. Still, If I buy the cells and the charger another ~ $35 on the CCard. Whoa with me...*sigh*....I just might wait till I get the torch first. The E01 comes with a 18650 to 21700 adapter and I already have some good hi-discharge Sonys. I want to play with it first and see if it's worth buying the extra stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Okay I will. $16 is pretty inexpensive though. If you can give me the link to the one you bought so I can make sure we are talking about the same PBank. I might change my mind anyway and go with one of the 2-cell Anker power banks. The Anker's are well known and should be quite reliable.
    Well I thought about it and decided far better to do the testing at home with more controlled conditions. Ride was a must do though so I just took a different bike and light and had a nice 30 mile + got caught in the rain for the last 5 miles so got to do a water test on the Cygolite Metro 950. Happy to report no issues.

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    Ride done and back to test mode I topped off the charge in both the light and powerbank, put a fan in fromt of the setup and clicked the light to high. I already knew runtime for that light and mode so the plan was to do a total runtime in high (Ravemen LR800P), subtract to internal batteries runtime and calculate an approx. mAh value for the powerbank. Luck was on my side as I was standing next to the light when it shut down about a hour before expected. Estimate of mAh value worked out to a little above 3000 mAh. Amazon seller had sent me an email introducing themselves and I figured I'd reply with what I'd found but in reading the whole lengthy email I came upon this clause:

    ēThe voltage of the battery cells is 3.7V, however, the output voltage of the power bank is 5V. You must allow wastage when the voltage increases.The average efficient of the power bank is about 85%.the item is 5000mah, so the working effect capacity of the power bank should be:
    Labeled capacity 3.7V /5V Efficient =5000*3.7/5*85% = 3145mAh
    Please understand that it is a noramal behavior for all the power banks in the market not only RAVPower. And the efficent rate is 80% however ours is higher than normal of 85%.
    So everything is OK, just not as planned. Learning curve for most everything new you try as was the case here. This one's fine for now but next powerbank for this light will have more capacity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Okay If you can give me the link to the one you bought so I can make sure we are talking about the same PBank.
    Sorry, almost forgot.

    https://www.amazon.com/External-Batt.../dp/B07KPCKCYG

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Picking from your Brand list for the bars I go with an 800 lumen or higher PR series light. I've been really happy with my PR 900 casue it has the longest runtimes of any of these lights (800 has smaller batteries and larger lights draw more current). Ravemen doesn't make any lights I would consider helmet capable so I go with any of the over 800 lumen Cygolite metro series lights for helmet use. You could also use the new Ravemen LR8000P on the bars but runtimes are relatively short unless you don't mind running connected to a powerbank. Those would be my preferred choices but if you decide you wnat to go with NR don't run them with another brand. My 1200 has a very cool tint that's best paired with something similar (I think I'd go with the 1000 lumen model). Even though you get the extra comfort of lighter weight I don't recommend the Micro series since their output degrades fairly rapidly.
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    You'd prefer the PR series light over a cygolite for the bars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bremmick View Post
    You'd prefer the PR series light over a cygolite for the bars?
    Yes only because of the nice floody beam pattern. Pretty much everything else (mounts, UI, runtimes) I like better on the Cygolite but quality of light trumps everything here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Sorry I've not gotten around to doing much with this light so far. It came in with another light that I started testing first but hope to get back to the Meteor Storm Pro by the end of the up coming week. First impressions from my 1 ride with it are all positive (VLS feature works great and very easy to use) and I did get a light meter reading on the Boost mode that calculated out to just over 2000 lumen's! That's all I've got for you so far.
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    No problem, thanks for the reply. I was too impatient and made the order anyway.
    I couldn't find any negative reviews that convinced me NOT to buy it. I even ordered a Moon Meteor Vortex Pro to mount on my helmet. I'll definitely have enough lumens now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buoyant View Post
    No problem, thanks for the reply. I was too impatient and made the order anyway.
    I couldn't find any negative reviews that convinced me NOT to buy it. I even ordered a Moon Meteor Vortex Pro to mount on my helmet. I'll definitely have enough lumens now.
    Great, youíll need to give us your review of the Vortex Pro after a few rides. My Storm Pro is top notch imo...

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    Here's a link to a review that road.cc did on the Vortex Pro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buoyant View Post
    No problem, thanks for the reply. I was too impatient and made the order anyway.
    I couldn't find any negative reviews that convinced me NOT to buy it. I even ordered a Moon Meteor Vortex Pro to mount on my helmet. I'll definitely have enough lumens now.
    I finally got some time to do a little light meter work on the Meteor Storm Pro. Unfortunately I couldn't do a full output vs. runtime test in turbo because of overheating. In 83 degree ambient temperature the fan cooled light rose to a 150 degree case temp where it stepped down. Good news is it took a full 15 min. so Turbo is still useful for short periods of time. I ended up setting the light to start about 1550 lumens (more than necessary for bar use IMO) to do my test and everything worked fine. You mentioned the NR Lumina as something to compare it to and I also included a similar setup Cateye Volt 1600. Yes the output degrades with usage but less so than the premium name brand high powered Cateye lamp. I estimate set the way my light was for the test that it would tolerate ride temperatures in the low 100's for a point of reference.
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    I continued to measure the light till 2:40 where it dipped below 300 lumens and I shut it down. Fatter Blue line represents the Meteor Storm Pro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    I finally got some time to do a little light meter work on the Meteor Storm Pro. Unfortunately I couldn't do a full output vs. runtime test in turbo because of overheating. In 83 degree ambient temperature the fan cooled light rose to a 150 degree case temp where it stepped down. Good news is it took a full 15 min. so Turbo is still useful for short periods of time. I ended up setting the light to start about 1550 lumens (more than necessary for bar use IMO) to do my test and everything worked fine. You mentioned the NR Lumina a something to compare it to and I also included a similar setup Cateye Volt 1600. Yes the output degrades with usage but less so than the premium name brand high powered Cateye lamp. I estimate set the way my light was for the test that it would tolerate ride temperatures in the low 100's for s point of reference.
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    I continued to measure the light till 2:40 where it dipped below 300 lumens and I shut it down. Fatter Blue line represents the Meteor Storm Pro.
    Damn! That is some solid battery life. How does the beam on this compaire with Ravemen PR series? Would this work well for singletrack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bremmick View Post
    Damn! That is some solid battery life. How does the beam on this compaire with Ravemen PR series? Would this work well for singletrack?
    Meteor Storm Pro definitely has a narrower beam horizontally with noticeably more throw (and top spill). So while I'd pick the Ravemen PR series beam as the off road winner it's not that Meteor Storm Pro's beam is too narrow to get the job done in the dirt (I just like the Ravemen better).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    You might call the Fenix people and ask them the exact Kelvin rating of the BC30. ( also ask them if the lamp requires protected cells ) I understand your skepticism. Some people consider 5000K to be NW, I don't.

    If I understand correctly you have the same Zebralight as myself ( same 4500K tint , XHP35 emitter and periscope type body design ). That type of torch throws out a very wide beam pattern. If you use this on the helmet it won't matter what light you buy for the bars because the two beam patterns will merge and make things look different. That's why it is always suggested that the bar lamp be the wider light source and that the helmet light have a more confined forward throw. That way the helmet lamp is less likely to change appearance of the bar lamp beam pattern and tint.

    The prices for the Fenix batteries were outrageous. I think the BC30 requires protected cells but I'm not sure about that. Protected cells are more costly. Your Zebralight doesn't require protected cells since the protection circuit is built into the lamp.

    Best place to buy name brand protected or non-protected cells in the U.S.A. is Orbtronic Orbtronic ( like Fenix ) does not make their own batteries. They take name brand batteries, put their own protection circuit on it and this allows them to put their own label on the cell.

    I think I can be pretty sure that the Fenix BC30 has some kind of low voltage warning because almost all lamps do. If it does you don't need protected cells as long as the voltage indicators work. Just switch out cells when you see the low power indication. Non-protected cells are much cheaper.

    After giving this a bit more thought...forget the BC30 and consider the Fenix BC21R. This is a single NW emitter lamp that is suppose to have some more forward throw. Coupled with you ZL on the lid it should let you see better in the distance when going straight. A year or so ago I tested my Zebralight on the lid using just a NW torch on the bars. I couldn't help but notice how much better I could see once I was going straight ahead. I had no problems with the intermixing of the beams. Another option ( probably the best option ) is to just buy a cheap Convoy S1 or S2 torch with NW emitter and use that on the bars. You can buy those cheap from the Chinese OR buy a custom torch build , get the emitter tint / UI you want and use that on the bars. Sorry, forgot to mention that you can buy cheap torch handlebar mounts on Ebay or Amazon.

    That last part about the Convoy S1 or S2 sounds great Cat Man but I sure canít figure out what to order to either match or compliment my Zebralight. I have looked at many but canít figure them out. Do you have an exact idea of what I need in that area? Also I think Iíll order one of the bigger Zebralights that takes the 21700 battery to try on the bars. (Either the SC700d or the SC700Fd). May try the Convoy 1st though.

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    Ravemen LR500 road.cc review


    I noticed road.cc added this light to their reviews. I shared my experiences with the 800 version but here's a link for those interested in the 500.
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    More living with the Moon Meteor Storm Pro



    Night before last the Moon accompanied me on my first 40+ mile ride since my heart surgery last April. Beautiful ride with temps starting out around 90 degrees and maybe dipping into the high 70's by the time I got home around midnight. I've been running mostly single cell self-contained lights this yr (when I've been able to ride) so was a nice change taking a light with more battery capacity where very comfortable amounts of light were available without having to worry about how much juice was left in the tank. Right at about 4 hrs. with the lights running in the lowest mode which I have set to about 700 lumens and 3 of the nine matrix fuel gauge lights still showing when I got home. Haven't tried the remote yet but so far seems like a lot of light for the $79 Merlin is currently charging (shipped) to the US!
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    https://www.merlincycles.com/moon-me...019-95012.html

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    road.cc did ra review about the Ravemen PR1600 and they really like it:
    https://road.cc/content/review/26736...00-front-light

    The only drawback for me is that the light can't be mounted upside down under your garmin with a gopro mount.

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    Hey all, I'm looking to replace a Gloworm x2 I use on the bars (few years older 1500 lumen model, w/NW optics upgraded) with a self-contained unit. Fan of Gloworm so looking at the CX. Anybody know how the beam patterns might compare? Or have another self-contained suggestion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy View Post
    Hey all, I'm looking to replace a Gloworm x2 I use on the bars (few years older 1500 lumen model, w/NW optics upgraded) with a self-contained unit. Fan of Gloworm so looking at the CX. Anybody know how the beam patterns might compare? Or have another self-contained suggestion?

    Thanks!
    What optics are you running in your current X2 (spot/flood/wide angle)? Are you happy with the width and throw of the beam pattern on your X2 or interested in altering the beam in some fashion (please specify)? Do your know if your X2 is a short or long optic version? I own a couple of older X2's and the latest CX version (1200) but need to know where your starting from.
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    I am running the X2 1500 lumen (v3.1 I think?) version with double spot optics. At the time it was recommended to go spot/spot as it didn't have a a huge change in width, but throw was better. I had these upgraded at some point to the NW leds as well. I run 2 of these, bar and helmet - but looking to replace the bar. These are both a few years old so curious if advances in both beam pattern and emitters would offer an equivalent or better result from a self-contained unit. I'm intrigued to simplify the setup on the bars but don't want to step down from the light output I have now. Gloworm is my first interest, but open to looking at others too.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy View Post
    I'm intrigued to simplify the setup on the bars but don't want to step down from the light output I have now.

    Thanks!
    I think that statement says it all. Self-contained lights get better all the time but there are still compromises compared to what you are currently running.
    Without spending $300 - $500 dollars I can't think of anything self-contained I would choose over your X2 setup. I am getting a new lighthead (Gemini Duo) that's claimed to produce 2200 lumens and only draw similar current to your 1500 lumen Gloworm so when that emitter tech. (if claims are true) is passed on to self-contained this situation my change. Till then I'd stick with what you've got.
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    NO experience with Gloworm X2 but recently purchased the gloworm CX. Quick review below but my comparison is to Cygolite TridenX 1300

    The good: Lots of attachment methods, comes with everything you need even helmet mount in small resubale box. Seems very well made and heavy duty, bright and wide enough beam pattern when mounted on helmet riding single track and reasonable speeds in tight twisty stuff it did the job.

    THe need to know: Was heavy on the helmet I felt it there every rooty rocky section more so than a helmet mounted light with external battery.

    Bottom line: I will keep using it but probably for that occasional gravel night ride probably going to keep going back to my TrindenX for most single track rides
    XC, Road, XXC, Endurance, Mtn, All-Mtn, Cross, Gravel, just go have fun on 2 wheels!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEMIjer View Post
    NO experience with Gloworm X2 but recently purchased the gloworm CX. Quick review below but my comparison is to Cygolite TridenX 1300

    The good: Lots of attachment methods, comes with everything you need even helmet mount in small resubale box. Seems very well made and heavy duty, bright and wide enough beam pattern when mounted on helmet riding single track and reasonable speeds in tight twisty stuff it did the job.

    THe need to know: Was heavy on the helmet I felt it there every rooty rocky section more so than a helmet mounted light with external battery.

    Bottom line: I will keep using it but probably for that occasional gravel night ride probably going to keep going back to my TrindenX for most single track rides
    I totally agree, the CX (or any dual cell/dual emitter self-contained light) is too big and heavy for comfortable helmet use. Gloworm Alpha is the same basic light as the CX but in lighthead + battery configuration and better suited for helmet use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post

    Night before last the Moon accompanied me on my first 40+ mile ride since my heart surgery last April. Beautiful ride with temps starting out around 90 degrees and maybe dipping into the high 70's by the time I got home around midnight. I've been running mostly single cell self-contained lights this yr (when I've been able to ride) so was a nice change taking a light with more battery capacity where very comfortable amounts of light were available without having to worry about how much juice was left in the tank. Right at about 4 hrs. with the lights running in the lowest mode which I have set to about 700 lumens and 3 of the nine matrix fuel gauge lights still showing when I got home. Haven't tried the remote yet but so far seems like a lot of light for the $79 Merlin is currently charging (shipped) to the US!
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    https://www.merlincycles.com/moon-me...019-95012.html

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    OK, the remote works great. Symbols on the two buttons correspond with the two mode buttons on the lighthead. Left one controls which emitters operate + the light intensity adjustment for each mode and the right one is the mode selector. I had read in another review that it was difficult to tighten the velcro strap adequately to make the remote stable on the bars but I had no such problem. Something has changed though that unfortunately makes this light less of a bargain. The $79 I paid for this light a couple of months ago is now $108.49 (@ Merlin) which is still a fair price for a 2000 lumen light with a wired remote, adjustable presets, OLED fuel gauge, quality batteries and excellent runtimes, just not the bargain it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post

    Night before last the Moon accompanied me on my first 40+ mile ride since my heart surgery last April. Beautiful ride with temps starting out around 90 degrees and maybe dipping into the high 70's by the time I got home around midnight. I've been running mostly single cell self-contained lights this yr (when I've been able to ride) so was a nice change taking a light with more battery capacity where very comfortable amounts of light were available without having to worry about how much juice was left in the tank. Right at about 4 hrs. with the lights running in the lowest mode which I have set to about 700 lumens and 3 of the nine matrix fuel gauge lights still showing when I got home. Haven't tried the remote yet but so far seems like a lot of light for the $79 Merlin is currently charging (shipped) to the US!
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    https://www.merlincycles.com/moon-me...019-95012.html

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    Real shame the beam pattern on these is as narrow as you say. Just to confirm; Are the batteries serviceable? Looks like that is the case in the product description.

    About the price; Looks like there is a " Meteor Storm" and a "Meteor Storm Pro" which is a little brighter and a bit more expensive. The "Meteor Storm" is selling at the price that you paid ( From the link I found on Google ) Could of been Merlin screwed up the price listing on the website and listed the "Pro Version" at the price of the Meteor Storm. If that was the case you might have just got lucky and they just now figured out they screwed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Real shame the beam pattern on these is as narrow as you say. Just to confirm; Are the batteries serviceable? Looks like that is the case in the product description.

    About the price; Looks like there is a " Meteor Storm" and a "Meteor Storm Pro" which is a little brighter and a bit more expensive. The "Meteor Storm" is selling at the price that you paid ( From the link I found on Google ) Could of been Merlin screwed up the price listing on the website and listed the "Pro Version" at the price of the Meteor Storm. If that was the case you might have just got lucky and they just now figured out they screwed up.
    Beam is narrower than I prefer but still much wider than something like your Ceco but not as wide as any of my Ravemen lights (PR900, LR800). Nice flowy trails are fine but tightening up the turns a bit and you'll wish for something with a wider beam. Too bad the optics aren't changeable.

    Don't know what caused the price change but it was $79 for the several months I'd been looking at the Pro model. Yes, batteries are field changeable. I did a quick spec. check and while the reduced output (300 lumen) would not bother me in any way I would miss the 3350 cells of the Pro vs. 2600 cells of the regular Meteor Storm. No other differences that I am aware of.
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    Sigma Sports still has the Moon Meteor Storm Pro for $77 for those who are interested.

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    Magicshine Allty 1000, glad to see another 21700 single cell equipped self-contained light. It also uses a XP-L emitter which is more efficient and conbined with the larger capacity battery (4000mAh) result in a claimed 1.8 hrs. @ 1000 lm (Hi), 4 hrs. @ 500 lm (med.), 12.5 hrs. @ 250 lm (low) which is pretty good IMO if the claims are true. Garmin style mount also looks interesting. A rebranded version of the light got a very positive review from road.cc which I'll include a link to.
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    https://road.cc/content/review/26786...en-front-light

    https://www.magicshine.com/magicshin...-p00082p1.html

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    Excellent PinkBike article



    Worthwhile taking the time to look at this article. Short description/review and trail beam shots of several high powered self-contained lights.
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    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/10-bes...den-rated.html

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    Cygolite Ranger 1400?


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    Curious if anyone knows anything about this light? Searching around I found nothing other than whats on this sales site. Other than the higher output the interesting thing I saw was it has longer claimed runtime (high mode) and weighs about 30 grams more than the Metro 1100 so possible 21700 upgrade?
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    Sofirn SD05



    After hearing how great this light is over and over again from the flashlight people I decided to try one myself. I usually don't even look at flashlights because of the normal limitations that come with a light not designed specifically for bicycles buuuut this is a all in one light that can be used for cycling so it fits this thread. So here's the good and bad I noticed after 2 rides.

    GOOD: New tech. (XHP 50.2 emitter and 21700 battery) that has more output and longer runtimes. Being a flashlight means batteries are easily field changeable and you can use either the 21700 that came with my light or more common 18650 with the included 18650 tube spacer. 2500+ lumen high mode is cool even though the light has a max. 3 min. usage timer for this mode. 1000 lumen regulated med. mode netting 2.5 hrs of runtime (with included 4000 mAh battery) is excellent. Big surprise for me was how usable the 300 lumen (claimed) low mode was. Price is also quite low for what you get. I paid a little over $50 for my light kit and Gopro mount (amazon) but if you don't mind waiting a bit longer for delivery you should be able to get the kit and bar specific mount shipped from China for $35 - $40. Also to the magnetic ring mode control that I feel works better than most mode buttons I've used. I believe output stability will be a big plus too but have yet to test that. So quite a bit to like about the SD05!.

    NOT SO GOOD: Weight is quite a bit higher (60-80) grams than your typical sub 1000 lumen bike light and too heavy to be considered for helmet use IMO. Too bad since the SD05's max lux readings ended up being considerably higher than my SP40 and a little higher than any of my sub 1000 lumen self-contained lights (Cygolite 800/950, Sigma Buster 700, Ravemen LR800P). Good helmet light beam unfortunately didn't work so well on the bars though. Beam had a fairly wide low intensity spill beam dominated by a narrow hot spot and zero light around the front tire. Obstacle recognition turning into a corner was poor. I think I found a solution (see below pictures) for the poor bar beam performance though using an elliptical lens cover. I tried it on tonight's 45 mi. ride and it did lose some throw but had a much wider usable beam and the hot spot was no longer noticeable.
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    Thanks for this unbiased review. The combination with a wide lens seems to be be a good solution to use a flashlight on the bars occasionally...

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    where did you get that elliptical lens cover? that wide flood looks great for the bars

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcpunk View Post
    where did you get that elliptical lens cover? that wide flood looks great for the bars
    https://www.action-led-lights.com/co...ide-angle-lens

    It's one that's made to fit 808's and clones. It's actually too big in diameter and I just have it held in place with a section of 1.5" tube. PITA to put on but edges of lens cover glow annoyingly if you don't cover them'
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    I got a couple more testing rides in with the SD05, the first included some pretty rough surfaced trails on a rigid 29er. Adding a second silicon band seemed to secure the light to the Gopro mount a bit tighter and I wanted to do a good test to see if I could get any unwanted movement + test how the light worked on trails with the elliptical lens cover. Run in the med. mode netted acceptable illumination performance and no detectable movement. The second test ride was canal banks and some mild relatively featureless dirt trails and I took a Ravemen PR900 along to compare. I noticed the addition of the elliptical lens cover dimmed the output levels of the SD05 a bit (which was expected) and while the med. mode was still fine with the lens cover I would prefer some extra output in the low mode (not so good). Comparing the SD05 to the PR900 also proved to be a let down for the Sofirn light. Beam pattern is improved with the use of the elliptical lens cover but still not as good (IMO) as the dual beam PR900 or the LR800, both also having more output intensity and just appearing to be more powerful lights. So I probably wouldn't recommend the SD05 for most people looking for a 800-1000 lumen self-contained bike light but if your a bikepacker who can make use of the SD05 as a flashlight in camp and its longer runtimes + easily changeable batteries are a big benefit this might still be the best light for you.
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    ***Read post 132 for more favorable impression of use with elliptical lens cover
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    I know I should post this it the flash light holder/mount thread...but...my cob/hack solution for helmet and bars. Some day I'll upgrade to something better than some torches ... but ... till then!

    I did buy an Amazon mount, but one crash in the cold and it snapped ... I think my homemade solution is more robust in that regard, giving up quick-release functionality.

    I had voile straps and foam. Stays where you put it.

    The straps and foam block:
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    Bit of foam ( a few pieces glued together to get the right shape ):
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    Mounted ( key is criss-crossing the two straps ):
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    Helmet:
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    Mr mole what would be yoir choice for self cotained helmet trail light? I dont ride more than 2 hours at nite. Lso I had the sigma sport 700 in the cart but its now unavailable. Thbaks for this post its great info

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    Quote Originally Posted by 232vzlano View Post
    Mr mole what would be yoir choice for self cotained helmet trail light? I dont ride more than 2 hours at nite. Lso I had the sigma sport 700 in the cart but its now unavailable. Thbaks for this post its great info
    What are you using as a bar light and how soon do you need it? There are several new lights coming out soon and I need to check with the Sigma rep. to find out what's going on with the Buster 700.
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    Ravemen CR 700 & 900



    I don't have access to these lights so unfortunately I can't answer any questions about them but ran across this nice video review that I thought was worth including here. There are a couple of threads that feature these lights on this forum so you may want refer to them for specific questions.
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    https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...1a&action=view

    https://forums.mtbr.com/lights-night...a-1056844.html

    https://forums.mtbr.com/lights-night...a-1099246.html

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    First gen magicshine for the handlebar. Do you recommend wait to see whats new? Also Are flashlights any good for helmet use? I dont mind using those too. Thnks

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    First gen MagicShine had a very cool white emitter tint. You might find that undesirable if paired with a neutral or warm white helmet lamp. Some people do not have any problem with mixing light colors while others do.
    GoPro adapters for bike lights http://www.pacifier.com/~kevinb/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by 232vzlano View Post
    First gen magicshine for the handlebar. Do you recommend wait to see whats new? Also Are flashlights any good for helmet use? I dont mind using those too. Thnks
    I just sent an email off to the Sigma Rep. inquiring about the status of the Sigma Buster 700 and possible current retail outlets. Probably should at least wait to hear what he has to say.
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    Sofirn SD05 update



    After my last post on the Sofirn SD05 I had the light sitting next to a new elliptical lens cover and noticed the one I had borrowed from another light to use in the SD05 was pretty hazy and yellow looking next to the new one (testing netted a 15% output difference). Significant difference from this is it brightened the low mode enough to make it usable for me again. Since I tend to do longer rides frequently having the lower setting available extends the runtime and makes the light a usable option for my longer rides and leaves me with a bit better feeling about the light overall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 232vzlano View Post
    Mr mole what would be yoir choice for self cotained helmet trail light? I dont ride more than 2 hours at nite. Lso I had the sigma sport 700 in the cart but its now unavailable. Thbaks for this post its great info
    Quote Originally Posted by 232vzlano View Post
    First gen magicshine for the handlebar. Do you recommend wait to see whats new? Also Are flashlights any good for helmet use? I dont mind using those too. Thnks
    I just sent an email off to the Sigma Rep. inquiring about the status of the Sigma Buster 700 and possible current retail outlets. Probably should at least wait to hear what he has to say.
    Mole
    Sigma USA unfortunately is no more. From what I gathered all marketing and distribution is now done directly from Germany. I contacted their customer service about current online retailers for the Buster 700 but was only provided with examples from Germany all of which had shipping charges of $20+ dollars reducing the value of the light.

    So for what's currently available I think I would pick one of the Cygolite Metro's (800/950/1100). Not much difference in price between these three. The 800 has the most consistent output and may actually be the strongest at the very end of their runtimes. 950/1100 have more power/throw for around the first hour. Runtimes in boost/hi will be 60-75/90 min. for these lights (and all other similar lights, Buster 700 included). Personally I would not choose self-contained for a 2 hr. ride.

    Self-contained bike light that would best suite your needs is the very soon to be released Outbound Hangover which I would recommend waiting for unless the price is too steep. Spec./performance claims are unconfirmed but that shouldn't take too long to figure out.
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    New Sofirn setup



    This is the new setup I tried tonight. Light performance was very good, mounting is still going to take some more experimentation.

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    Sofirn SD05: I had tried this light helmet mounted with a Gopro mount but it proved to heavy for me to use comfortably. The Gopro mount positioned the light pretty high off the top of the helmet so I followed the recommendations and comments from some other members and eliminated the mount and attached the light directly to the helmet as pictured. This particular light uses a magnetic collar/ring that rotates to adjust the modes that needs clearance to work properly which is why I have the foam between the helmet and light. I still want to try some other materials to elevate the light because this was more of a PITA to set up than I would want to deal with on a regular basis. The reward for my efforts was lowering the light made the setup feel much lighter (27mi. tonight with no discomfort) so potential is there, I just need to smooth out the rough edges.

    Sofirn SP40: Size and layout of this light may favor helmet mounting but the wider beam and lack luster throw better suite bar use which I was happy with tonight. Initially the beam was great and the high modes around 500 lumen output was more than adequate but output degrades fairly rapidly so after about 15 mi. I switched it to Turbo for the rest of the ride. Works fine for shorter rides or as a backup I guess.
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    Mole, I improved my foam install slightly by threading the strap through some slits in the foam. I could put the foam on the helmet w/out the torch, and then mount it when I needed it. That made it a lot less fiddly out on the trail. Also found some higher density foam ( think I got it at the craft store in an 8x11 sheet ) that is better than the white packing foam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcpunk View Post
    Mole, I improved my foam install slightly by threading the strap through some slits in the foam. I could put the foam on the helmet w/out the torch, and then mount it when I needed it. That made it a lot less fiddly out on the trail. Also found some higher density foam ( think I got it at the craft store in an 8x11 sheet ) that is better than the white packing foam.

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    Thanks for the ideas to try. Looking at my setup it looks like the tape I used to cover the vent hole that's under the front of the foam gradually stretched some during the ride and allowed the mode adjustment ring to contact the helmet towards the end of the ride. Would still like to try a different material for the spacer/pad. I'm thinking a piece of old tire might work well.
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    Cygolite Ranger 1400



    My first Black Friday deal arrived in the mail today. Haven't had much time to play with it tonight but did get a couple of pictures and quickly did some lux-meter readings to get an idea what kind of output to expect from the different presets. So my rounded off initial ratings for low/med./hi/turbo would be 300/800/1200/1500. A little higher initial readings than I got from the Ion 1300 and Lumina 1200 but both of those lights dropped down to about 1100 lumens (highest mode) very quickly so will be interesting to see how the Ranger fares with more complete testing. Along with the claimed additional 35 grams of weight the light is physically larger than the 800/950 Metro's that I have so safe to assume it got a larger battery. If claimed runtimes for the modes are accurate this will end up being the most useful single cell light i've tried for longer rides.
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    As you can see I got the Boost mode measured last night. It's not as stable as the Metro 800 but better than any other lights boost mode that I've checked. Nice that I had to nitpick to point out any negatives. Positives are the Ranger ran 16 min. longer than what's claimed and had excellent output finishing up very strong still making over 1100 lumens @ 91 min. where I shut the light down. Hope the rest of the modes do this well!
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    Cygolite Ranger 1400 Hi mode and first ride



    Well I got another mode measured (see chart) and the first ride with the light. Was surprised how comfortable I was using the boost mode but considering how wide the beam is and the fact that its been raining in my area and all the dirt and asphalt is darker than normal I shouldn't be. I'm sure when things dry u; a bit boost will be more overkill like I expected it to be. Anyway for the 34 mi. ride I used med. (mostly), hi, and boost with no low battery warning so not too bad for a single cell light. Runtime measurements for boost and hi have returned usable bonus minutes over what's claimed so I expect med. to end up lasting 3:30 or so @ 6 to 8 hundred lumens. When I started the hi mode test I checked the max. lux (throw measurement) and it was no more than the Metro 800 produced from only about 2/3rds of the Rangers total lumens. Optics look the same so I'm thinking a different emitter is used that delivers a wider but less intense beam for any given output level. Definitely plan on doing the med. mode when I get an adequate block of time and getting some more saddle time with the light too but that will be weather permitting for a while.
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    i can recommend this mounts.
    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32764342087.html
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    and adding 3 recommendations for some of the best self-contained trals bike lights on the market.

    Sofirn SD05 what see in this post:

    -no USB port.

    +high effizenz driver build in
    +2 practically light modes easy to switch.
    +changable batterys, 18650 or 21700 can be used
    + good light profile for bikeing.

    in middle mode it delivers with an 5000mah battery ~1000 lumen for 3 Hours.
    for 20Ä and great product.
    in my picture the black one.

    Asrtrolux EC01:
    same size like the SD05

    no - points.

    +changeable batterys, 18650 and 21700 fit, same like SD05.

    + fully personal programmable driver"Anduril software base", with that you can light modes, brightness and anythink other on your own wishes.
    +temp regulation that you can to program how you what it.
    + up to 4000 Lumen max.

    a free programable light gives infinity option but some examples.
    set to 1000 lumen you get with it a little bit over 2 Hours of runtime.
    at 2000 Lumen set you get little bit over 1 Hour of runtime
    at 3000 Lumen you will have below 1 Hour of runtime.


    + USB-C charge port+ good light profile for biking.

    for 20Ä the best value trail bike light on the market!!!!!!!
    here a video review+ you see little bit funny thinks what anduril is possible to do.

    the EC01 and SD05 have near the same beam, coz he not make a video.


    and the last one MF01 mini, what is my main Trail bike light.

    no - points

    +changeable Batterys, 18650, 21700 and 26650 will fit.
    + different LED type"SST-20 and XP-L HI" and light color temperatur"4000-6000k" option an high CRI option to.
    + same like the EC01"Anduril"= fully free programm the light like you like it so no difference to the EC01.
    + up to over 6000 Lumen output.
    +epic Trail beam profile.
    + USB-C charge port.


    for 45$ with coupon code same like the the EC01 and epic buy.
    here a video from it.

    add some infos.
    the EC01 and mf01 mini are concepted lights from light freaks and pros from the US BLF forum and the german TLF forum.
    the software"Anduril" and drivers and many other details are make from companys with this members together to bring out light on the market that really people want with allot of knowledge in it.

    to anyone!!
    dont waste moneys for commercial overpriced technically lowest grade lights.

    and yes i love self-contained lights on the bike and hate wires and bulky battery packs.
    but cheap made junk lights i hate to and will never put that anymore on my bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lostplaces View Post
    Nice post! Question, mount looks nice and solid but I didn't see any option for larger bar diameters past 30mm which is too small for the most common bar sizes (31.8, 35mm). That style battery tube clamp with a Gopro adapter would work great with some existing bar mounts available!




    the EC01 and SD05 have near the same beam,
    I loved the beam pattern of my SD05 for the helmet (still working on a comfortable way to mount it though) but it didn't work for me on the bars. I tried this (below photo) lens cover and it helped a lot but am wondering if there are other options for changing the beam pattern that you know of? Also though unrelated, do you know what the tint K value is for the Sofirn SD05?

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    The two lower preset modes on my SD05 work OK but are not ideal for me. I think the lights with programmable or ramping modes with be a better application for cycling. I ordered a Sofirn SP33V3.0 yesterday so will get a chance to test out its ramping mode and will allow met to play with the output levels to find the stable thermal limits of the XHP50.2 emitter. I live in a very warm climate (100įF ride temps. common for summer night rides) so that ramping program will come in handy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Nice post! Question, mount looks nice and solid but I didn't see any option for larger bar diameters past 30mm which is too small for the most common bar sizes (31.8, 35mm).
    i have order different ring sizes.

    for 1x 18650 battery lights 25mm rings.
    for 1x 21700 battery lights 30mm rings.
    for 1x26650 battery based lights 34mm rings.
    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32824584955.html

    i have not link the cheapest one, there a cheaper rings to find.

    only need counterparts ring to ring on one side the rail, like for example this.

    2 rings together= high quality bike mount.

    rubber band holders good for 100-150 gramm lights if a light weights more fixed mounts the better option.

    the rings have no limit what they can hold so any weight is nothing for them.

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    I recently made some GoPro adapters for use with rifle scope rings to hold a light.

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    Gives a person countless options for mounting to the bike. PM for details.
    GoPro adapters for bike lights http://www.pacifier.com/~kevinb/index.html

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    Cygolite Ranger 1400 Update



    Unfortunately tonight's ride was cut short as the sprinkles started earlier than I expected but still got 15 mi. in of the planned 29. Not enough rain to test its waterproof abilities but just enough to want to cut the ride short. Street and MUP bar use continues to be a positive experience with the Ranger. The most often used med. mode provides a nice wide and bright beam and testing shows a 3:19 range in this mode. Looking forward to trying the Ranger on the trail but that will have to wait for a future post. I did finish the output testing for the med. mode which is posted below. Word of warning!: if it looks like the modes end abruptly it's because they do. Mode button will flash a few minutes before your out of light but when the light itself starts to flash it's time to stop and take whatever backup measures you have because the light just shuts down after about 30 sec. of flashing. Characteristic that's good to know in advance.
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    Sofirn SD05 update



    Rain here the last couple of days so finally got to do some light-meter testing (runtime) on the SD05. Using the Sofirn 4000 mAh battery in the most used med. mode it ran 149 min. @ just under 1000 lumens before cutting output back to about 200 lumens where I stopped testing. No surprises, almost exactly matched Sofirn's claims. I also tested the 3 min. timer for the 2500 lumen high mode which actually did surprise me. I expected the light to have a fairly stable output for the 3 min. and then jump down to the 1000 lumen med. mode. Instead it was a rapid but gradual decrease in output dumping about 500 lumens in the first min. and a steady decline after that leveling out just under 1000 lumens at about 4 min. Had hoped the SD05 would maintain close to it's max. output for the first 3 min. but unfortunately that was not the case, oh well. On the positive side the light case temperature never evn got close to 100įF for the full med. mode test or even the timed hi mode test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Sigma USA unfortunately is no more. From what I gathered all marketing and distribution is now done directly from Germany. I contacted their customer service about current online retailers for the Buster 700 but was only provided with examples from Germany all of which had shipping charges of $20+ dollars reducing the value of the light.

    Found this https://www.bike24.com/p2246470.html...e_key=246470_0

    but shipping is about $20 (to the US) as pointed out above.

    Similar situation. Looking for a good helmet light. Have the outbound trail for my bar light and have been just using that, but am ready for a decent helmet light.....down to Sigma buster 700, Cygolite Metro 800, and something similar if anyone has suggestions?

    Bought a Hangover for my son, he or I have not used it yet.
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    Was able to get the Sigma buster 700 for 34 Euro at hibike.com, another German site. Still expecting delivery though.

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    Let me know how you like. Is this a helmet mount? What type of terrain do you typically ride? I need something to just help with my bar mounted light....which is very good and the only light I am using at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerryl View Post
    Found this https://www.bike24.com/p2246470.html...e_key=246470_0

    but shipping is about $20 (to the US) as pointed out above.

    Similar situation. Looking for a good helmet light. Have the outbound trail for my bar light and have been just using that, but am ready for a decent helmet light.....down to Sigma buster 700, Cygolite Metro 800, and something similar if anyone has suggestions?

    Bought a Hangover for my son, he or I have not used it yet.
    Here's a link to an Amazon light that is very similar to the Cygolite Metro 950/800 and Sigma Buster 700 in performance. You should try your Hangover to see how you like it first. The Hangover will have considerably more throw than any of these other lights but has a very narrow beam were as the Cygolite/Sigma/Ceco will have less throw (still a lot more than your OB Trail) in a wider beam + noticeably higher overall light output. I've only done a couple of rides with the Ceco bar mounted but just got a helmet mount yesterday from Amazon and haven't even opened up the package yet. Will let you know how it works when I get a chance to try it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Here's a link to an Amazon light that is very similar to the Cygolite Metro 950/800 and Sigma Buster 700 in performance. You should try your Hangover to see how you like it first. The Hangover will have considerably more throw than any of these other lights but has a very narrow beam were as the Cygolite/Sigma/Ceco will have less throw (still a lot more than your OB Trail) in a wider beam + noticeably higher overall light output. I've only done a couple of rides with the Ceco bar mounted but just got a helmet mount yesterday from Amazon and haven't even opened up the package yet. Will let you know how it works when I get a chance to try it.
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    Thanks, Mr Mole will check it out. Thanks to everyone who posts on this forum. Super helpful.

    As with most people, looking for the best value for my $ and something around 2 hours of run time with a self contained helmet light (realize all the trade offs, single cell, dual cell, weight, etc.). This will be a supplement to my bar mount outbound trail.

    So, if I can get a self contained helmet light close to 2 hours of run time, it will work.

    Gerry.

    Need to outfit my son, he gets the hangover for xmas, so I will give it a try over the holidays. Now just to find a new bar mounted lighted for him (simga 2000 - will look for reviews on this and other bar mounts or will just buy another trail).

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    Initial impressions of the Ceco 1000



    After just a couple of rides + some light meter testing so far impressed with this lights overall value and performance. Almost identical appearance/weight/light output to the Cygolite Metro 950 + even the slide mount allows for use with the Cygolite mounts leads me to believe Cygolite may make this light for Ceco or it is a very closely copied clone. More to come!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Almost identical appearance/weight/light output to the Cygolite Metro 950 + even the slide mount allows for use with the Cygolite mounts leads me to believe Cygolite may make this light for Ceco or it is a very closely copied clone.
    I thought the Ceco had a flat lens and the cygolite had one with the vertical convex stripes. But otherwise pretty identical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerryl View Post
    Let me know how you like. Is this a helmet mount? What type of terrain do you typically ride? I need something to just help with my bar mounted light....which is very good and the only light I am using at the moment.
    Will gladly do that. Forgot to say that the Sigma Buster 700 I got only included a helmet mount, which may be why it costs cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeah, right View Post
    I thought the Ceco had a flat lens and the cygolite had one with the vertical convex stripes.

    That would be correct. I haven't run the Ceco and Metro 950 side by side but from memory I'd say the beams are of similar width but the Cygolite's beam was a little smoother (next chance I get I will take both out to test that, and my memory). Ceco did have a little higher max. lux reading which may have come from the clear lens.

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    But otherwise pretty identical.
    As you can see from the picture there are also some minor construction differences. Biggest notable difference is in the main UI program. Ceco is low/med./med. high/high/flash with previous mode memory when turning on. The Metro 950 is low/med./high/flash, no mode memory at turn on, and most important to me double click to turbo and single click back to previous mode. Both only come with a bar mount (QR/Metro 950, strrap/Ceco). Important note here if you plan on using either on the bars is the Cygolite QR will not fit 35mm bars and the Ceco's strap mount has some breakage problems according the the Amazon reviews.


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    Ceco 1000 Worked great as a helmet light on my ride tonight. Good output/throw/beam width that complimented the floody Ravemen LR800 I had on the bars very well.
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    Moon Meteor Storm Pro updates



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    I found out this morning that this light will charge on the fly using a powerbank/usb cable + run without any internal batteries configured this way. Maximum output is limited though (with no internal batteries) and noticed no intensity increase past the med. mode which is set at about 900 lumens on my light. Runtimes on this light are pretty good already but this is a nice feature worth noting. I also noticed the price went back down to a little over $80 again @ Merlincycles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    + run without any internal batteries configured this way. Maximum output is limited though (with no internal batteries) and noticed no intensity increase past the med. mode
    Yeah that seems to be the case too with all USB flashlights. Guess itís because they can only charge at up to 2A whereas their internal battery packs can put out what ever the lamp calls for, generally up to 4A judging from the various specs reported.

    What emitters/K on that MMSP, Mole? Thanks.

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    What's coming up!

    Magicshine Alti 2000. Should have a review on this in a couple of weeks.

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    Magicshine RN1200. Surprised to see this on ebay since the Alti 1000 just came out a yr. ago. This one looks like it may have a cutoff beam but same 21700 battery and XP-L emitter as the alti. Less expensive and a little heavier. Shipped from China with expected delivery in March.

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    More Flashlights. Main one I have high hopes for is the Astrolux HL01. A little hefty but am hoping the P-style mounting advantage will mask that. Looks like a bicycle friendly UI and am hoping the extra weight will help stabilize the output at a higher level than most of these style lights.
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    Astrolux HL01

    Here's some pictures of my successful HL01 helmet mounting. Used an old band style helmet mount and a Gloworm Velcro buckle strap. My first attempt involved a nice Armytek mount that the extra thick battery tube of the HL01 snapped in two pieces (for those who considered this option).
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    Magicshine Allty 2000



    PRO'S


    A+ user friendly.
    Great mounting system.
    Great flood beam (for user) that works good for mtn. biking too.
    First class fit and finish.


    CON'S


    Will activate thermal protection in the brightest setting even in moderate temperatures (expect about 5 minutes of use before the light output steps down).
    Not so great beam pattern for approaching traffic/pedestrians. Too much top spill for a commuter style light.

    ***Read full review at the below link***
    https://forums.mtbr.com/lights-night...l#post14557819

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Here's some pictures of my successful HL01 helmet mounting. Used an old band style helmet mount and a Gloworm Velcro buckle strap. My first attempt involved a nice Armytek mount that the extra thick battery tube of the HL01 snapped in two pieces (for those who considered this option).
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    Real shame about the Armytek mount. Didn't it come with some kind of helmet or head band mount? I was going to recommend the rubber mount that Zebralight sells but after taking a good look at it I found out it wouldn't even stretch over a standard 18650 torch without really forcing it ( which would not be a good idea ). Turns out the Zebralight battery tubes are quite skinny which might be one of the many reasons why so many people like them.

    Any comments on the performance of the HL01. Do you like the beam pattern of the output and how the UI works ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post

    Night before last the Moon accompanied me on my first 40+ mile ride since my heart surgery last April. Beautiful ride with temps starting out around 90 degrees and maybe dipping into the high 70's by the time I got home around midnight. I've been running mostly single cell self-contained lights this yr (when I've been able to ride) so was a nice change taking a light with more battery capacity where very comfortable amounts of light were available without having to worry about how much juice was left in the tank. Right at about 4 hrs. with the lights running in the lowest mode which I have set to about 700 lumens and 3 of the nine matrix fuel gauge lights still showing when I got home. Haven't tried the remote yet but so far seems like a lot of light for the $79 Merlin is currently charging (shipped) to the US!
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    Hello Mr Mole,

    I have 1x moon meteor storm pro 2019.

    I made a madness and bought another moon meteor storm pro 2019. Now the weather is very bad here. As soon as the weather is nice, I am very curious how the two will light at the same time. But I want to add one more thing. The batteries inside this product are not classic 18650 batteries. There are positive and negative poles on one side. He made such a design by adding a special title using Moon Lg's classic 18650 battery. Code of this standard battery: LGEBF1L1865
    I have no idea what to do when the existing batteries are over. If you say why, buying batteries alone is very difficult. Due to the airline transportation rules, there is no battery delivery. I would be glad if you share your thoughts and ideas. Could we customize these batteries this way? greetings.



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    Quote Originally Posted by thealperaydin View Post
    ....But I want to add one more thing. The batteries inside this product are not classic 18650 batteries. There are positive and negative poles on one side. He made such a design by adding a special title using Moon Lg's classic 18650 battery. Code of this standard battery: LGEBF1L1865
    I have no idea what to do when the existing batteries are over. If you say why, buying batteries alone is very difficult. Due to the airline transportation rules, there is no battery delivery. I would be glad if you share your thoughts and ideas. Could we customize these batteries this way? greetings.

    Somewhere in the past I remember seeing something like somewhere but I've never ever seen such a 18650 battery configuration myself or seen them sold anywhere. What a strange thing to have to deal with! I suppose you could modify a standard set of flat top cells to do this but you would need the special plate that goes on top ( good luck finding those ) and then have the skill to put it all together and have it still fit where it needs to go.

    If you lived in the USA I would of recommended sending an email to Orbtronic's battery website and ask if they can modify an 18650 this way. My guess is that they can since they also modify other cells with their own protection circuit. You might be able to buy these from Moon directly if you can find their home website. That might be your best bet.

    In the USA we have local vendors that operate stores that just sell all types of batteries including 18650's. If you have stores near you that do that you might be able to get them to modify the cells locally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thealperaydin View Post
    Hello Mr Mole,

    I have 1x moon meteor storm pro 2019.

    I made a madness and bought another moon meteor storm pro 2019. Now the weather is very bad here. As soon as the weather is nice, I am very curious how the two will light at the same time. But I want to add one more thing. The batteries inside this product are not classic 18650 batteries. There are positive and negative poles on one side. He made such a design by adding a special title using Moon Lg's classic 18650 battery. Code of this standard battery: LGEBF1L1865
    I have no idea what to do when the existing batteries are over. If you say why, buying batteries alone is very difficult. Due to the airline transportation rules, there is no battery delivery. I would be glad if you share your thoughts and ideas. Could we customize these batteries this way? greetings.
    Have you tried contacting Moon or the vendor you got the lights from for battery replacement options? I can't imagine they would go to the trouble to manufacturer the light to have easy access to the batteries and not have a replacement option for sale so would think customer service should be able to assist you. I've looked around a little but no luck so far in finding suitable outside brand replacements. Looking at my lights with replaceable (multiple cell) batteries most are set up with the positive and negative at one end in proprietary cartridges. I'm thinking it must be easier (and less expensive) to manufacturer this way + possibly more reliable as the only one I have that uses regular 18650's (Wiz20) has a reputation for parasitic drain problems that may be related to the trap door for battery access. I'll post if I find out anything new.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Real shame about the Armytek mount. Didn't it come with some kind of helmet or head band mount? I was going to recommend the rubber mount that Zebralight sells but after taking a good look at it I found out it wouldn't even stretch over a standard 18650 torch without really forcing it ( which would not be a good idea ).
    Yes the HL01 came with a rubber mount but it looks so flimsy I haven't tried it. Pretty sure it won't hold the light solidly enough to the helmet to keep it stable. Am going to try to repair the Armytek mount and since it's alreaty broken in two take a little wedge out of the broken ends to widen it a little and hopefully get something than will work with the HL01. My expectations of success are pretty low but the mount system pictured works fine for now.



    Turns out the Zebralight battery tubes are quite skinny which might be one of the many reasons why so many people like them.
    That's one of the things I don't like about the zebralight. Not enough heat-sink mass for the hot ride temps. I see in the spring/summer/fall.



    Any comments on the performance of the HL01. Do you like the beam pattern of the output and how the UI works ?
    Pretty limited use of this light so far. Beam is effective used as a bar or helmet light. Max. lux readings in turbo are higher than any of the 1000 lumen and under self-contained lights I've tested but not quite as good as say a Lumina 1200 or Bontrager RT Pro and about 1500 lumens total for the 5000K XP-L model. Unfortunately my SST20 model seems to be an under performer with about half the lumens (somewhat expected) and hardly any higher measurable throw. Will have more details as I get more ridetime with the light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Somewhere in the past I remember seeing something like somewhere but I've never ever seen such a 18650 battery configuration myself or seen them sold anywhere. What a strange thing to have to deal with! I suppose you could modify a standard set of flat top cells to do this but you would need the special plate that goes on top ( good luck finding those ) and then have the skill to put it all together and have it still fit where it needs to go.

    If you lived in the USA I would of recommended sending an email to Orbtronic's battery website and ask if they can modify an 18650 this way. My guess is that they can since they also modify other cells with their own protection circuit. You might be able to buy these from Moon directly if you can find their home website. That might be your best bet.

    In the USA we have local vendors that operate stores that just sell all types of batteries including 18650's. If you have stores near you that do that you might be able to get them to modify the cells locally.


    Hello,


    Thanks for your answer. I contacted the manufacturer before. In accordance with the airline law, my country does not accept batteries from the air. The distributor of the Moon brand in my country has not been shipping from the Moon company for a long time. I think when the batteries die, I will open one and examine its structure. If I have the chance to imitate this structure, I will be able to make equivalent batteries with any 18650 battery. If I find something, I will share it here. Greetings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Have you tried contacting Moon or the vendor you got the lights from for battery replacement options? I can't imagine they would go to the trouble to manufacturer the light to have easy access to the batteries and not have a replacement option for sale so would think customer service should be able to assist you. I've looked around a little but no luck so far in finding suitable outside brand replacements. Looking at my lights with replaceable (multiple cell) batteries most are set up with the positive and negative at one end in proprietary cartridges. I'm thinking it must be easier (and less expensive) to manufacturer this way + possibly more reliable as the only one I have that uses regular 18650's (Wiz20) has a reputation for parasitic drain problems that may be related to the trap door for battery access. I'll post if I find out anything new.
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    Hi,

    As I mentioned in my answer to the user named cat-man-do. When these batteries have reached the end of their life, I will open the batteries and examine them and try to do the same. If there is any improvement, I will definitely inform yo

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    When it rains it pours!!!


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    Thread title could pertain to the recent storm damage on my house but it doesn't. Title is actually referring to me going from having nothing new to test for a while to picking up a loaner Niterider Lumina 1800 tomorrow and expecting the Magicshine RN1200 I ordered 2 mo. ago to be delivered the following day (not that this is a bad thing!). So will be busy in a good way and expect to get something posted on the Lumina 1800 fairly quickly as I don't plan on keeping the light for more than a few days with a review of the MS RN1200 to follow. Good news on the picture is the Insurance adjuster says I get new ceilings on the patio and in my garage and a reroof less the deductibles and prorating on the roof (YA).
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    Niterider Lumina 1800 Dual



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    Well I've gotten lucky lately with Magicshine sending me an Allty 2000 and being able to borrow this Lumina 1800. These lights retail for $150 or more and are out of my budget range for test lights so nice to have the opportunity to include them in this thread (Thanks Magicshine and Eric @ Graymatter bikes in Phoenix). Haven't even gotten to ride with the Lumina 1800 yet but looks like it's going to be a very nice flood beam but with good throw also (good max. lux #'s). I did get to do some Lux meter testing compared to some other similar output lights. Like the similar Allty 2000/Meteor Storm Pro the Lumina 1800 suffered from thermal problems in the highest setting. Chart shows the Lumina 1800 (and Meteor Storm Pro) in 1500 lumen modes. The Lumina 1800 actually produced over 2000 lumens in turbo mode at start up but very quickly dropped below output of the high mode so IMO no reason to use turbo on this light. Hope to get to ride with the Lumina 1800 tonight and will add additional comments over the next few days.
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    Hi all,
    From UK here. Some excellent knowledge on his forum.

    What's people's views on the sofirn sd05 and Mf01 mini for cycle paths?

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    Single track or MUP? Because neither has a cutoff which you might find desirable in two way traffic.

    Of the two I only own a pair of the Astrolux MF01 Mini, in 4000K CRI 95. Modded them with bishop mitres to reduce glare when confronted head on, and mounted with 360į Rotational holders. Great on trails, makes colors pop. But maybe not as efficient as other lights with cooler tints using CREEís XHP50.2 (such as that Sofirn SD05). Also, like perhaps most other multi-emitter TIR lensed flashlights in its class, has thermal issues that prevent it from delivering more than around 1000 lumens without stepping down. There is a fix for this but will set you back about 20 Euros for the copper cover plates alone, before adding in all the thermal pastes/pads youíd need. Only just received my own copper plates and am still waiting for the thermal epoxy Iíd ordered to ship, so canít yet vouch for the overall efficacy myself but others on BLF have praised it highly.

    Without the above mentioned remedy, have to say Kaidomainís BL2S bike light with external battery pack beats the Astrolux Mini hands down, despite its own little flaws ó stiff power button and Off being included in the UI. Usable amount of light from High through Low, and with its dual CREE XM L2 U3 emitters the 4000K version has a better/rosier tint and is brighter even at at Mid level than similarly specíed Astrolux once it has stepped down from High.

    But if youíre wedded to the idea of using a torch on the bars instead of a dedicated bike light, the Astrolux could still be a good choice if you donít mind the additional investment necessary to get it running decently. Certainly the design is stunning and its 26650 battery capacity with USB-C charging makes it a strong contender.

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    Thanks Andy for your detailed post.
    The paths are old railway lines that have been tarmaced. No need to worry about blinding vehicles or other users.


    I will check out your suggestion. Also not ruling a bike light but research so far has led me here suggesting maybe I'd get better light with a torch?
    Thanks

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    Well the only advantages I can see of a torch over a dedicated bike light is that it is both self contained and useful in other applications, and most often more economical. But just about any bike light will give you a better beam for riding and with an external battery pack the opportunity for greater capacity/longer run times. While some torches known on BLF as ďhot rodsĒ can burn brighter on Turbo, in general they cannot sustain that output very long. Of course the length of your own rides will be a determining factor. I myself most often spend two or three hours at a time riding at dark so for me, capacity is always a primary consideration. But understand not everyone else has the same need.

    IIRC GarryBunk here tested the SD05 but wasnít thrilled with the beam pattern, didnít do a great job illuminating the area around his bikeís front wheel.

    For a fairly small but powerful torch without any thermal issues you might consider the Sofrin SP33 V2 or V3. Both can accept 18650, 21700 and 26650 size cells, adapters included. Earlier version has a boost driver so maintains steady brightness until cell needs to be recharged. But its light not such a good color, noticeably blue and torch lacks the convenience of USB C charging found in the later version. Think the V3 has the same exact emitter as the V2 but somehow the tint comes out a bit whiter ó though still plenty blue compared to genuine NW lights. Not bad though on asphalt, gives it a cleaner look than do those relatively warmer 4000K jobbies. Also there is an inexpensive drop-in TIR optic available from Kaidomain to replace the reflector for a smoother beam, only shipping on that item can take a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lloydus79 View Post
    Also not ruling a bike light but research so far has led me here suggesting maybe I'd get better light with a torch?
    Thanks
    That depends on what your definition of a "better light" is as everybody has different needs. Main advantages I see to torches is field changeable batteries, a better selection of emitters and their configuration, and in most cases cost. Self-contained bike lights main performance advantage over torches is beam patterns designed for cycling usage (quality of light produced is much better than most standard torches) and user friendliness (better mounting systems, controls and their layout). Bike lightheads with tethered batteries best performing option IMO but require more setup time and usually a higher price.

    That said with a little work the Sofirn SD05/SP33V2/SP33V3 can be made to work just fine as a bike light. Beam pattern can be altered to be wider and have more (necessary) light around the front tire with the addition of an inexpensive elliptical lens cover (pictured in post #120 of this thread). I'd prefer the SP33's over the SD05 because they offer a better selection of light output over the two usable modes (350 and 1000 lumen) of the SD05. The lens cover can be filed down to fit under the bezel but this does compromise the weatherproofing a bit so using an old section of innertube to hold the cover on may be a better option if used in the rain regularly.
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    Best Lumina!!!

    It only took a couple of rides to figure out the 1800 is the best of the Lumina series lights for my needs. Increased battery capacity is always a plus for me since I tend to do mostly 30+ mile rides but I think this lights beam pattern is its greatest strength. The wide, smooth, and retains good throw beam + a very cool tint gave this light a very usable low mode and combined with the battery capacity increase greatly extends the usable runtime for me (which has been an issue in past Lumins I've used). Very cool tint that helps the light at lower output settings does work against it in the higher modes but smooth even light coverage of the beam pattern does a great job of helping my eyes deal with any reflective glare (excellent example of how important beam pattern can be). Negative things about the Lumina 1800: It does run hot in the higher modes. Turbo I could care less about but in 65įish ride temps. it was hot to the touch in the 1500 lumen high mode so worth mentioning for those who live in warmer climates or use their lights in the higher modes a lot. Also this is not a usb chargeable light and required a provided dedicated NR charger.
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    Lumina 1800 summary

    In the relatively brief time I've been using the Lumina 1800 I have to say I've been pretty satisfied with its overall performance. Wide and smooth coverage of the beam pattern "just works" and is a major improvement over other Lumina's (and most other self-contained lights) I've used in the past. So 5 star beam pattern and customer service + while it may not be the best it does well at everything = a pretty good all-around package. Good job Niterider .
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    Should have some impressions of this Magicshine RN1200 soon if it ever quits raining here in Arizona. Like the Allty 2000 I recently tested it looks and feels pretty good out of the box but we'll see how it works on the bike.
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    Magicshine RN1200



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    Decent description of the RN1200. Don't know for sure on the weather proofing but light seems solidly built. Unlike the Allty 2000 the light body is almost entirely aluminum and as a result runs cool (also unlike the Allty 2000) barely even warming the light in 70įF in the highest output setting. Output is also very good (higher than claimed) and consistent though runtimes have come up a little short of claims.

    RN1200 High = Green/Black, Med. = Orange
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    The RN1200 shares the same excellent Garmin compatible mount with the Alley 1000/2000. Requires a tool to install (provided) but easy to use and adjust and works with any bar size or shape. UI is simple and easy. Press and hold to turn on or off/single click rotary L/M/H main program/double click to flash modes. Power/mode/battery life button has a light but positive feel and works accurately. Usb C charging port also allows the RN1200 to be used as a powerbank. Overall this is a very user friendly light!

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    Unfortunately I can't agree with this (above). If there are any cutoff characteristics in the beam pattern I can't see them as it looks like a traditional symmetrical wide angle beam to me. Great if that's what your looking for but I prefer a little more elliptical shaped beams for bar appropriate floods. Inefficient spread of photons makes the light seem less powerful than it is and a waste of it's excellent power output. Of course this is compared to other lights with similar overall output that usually have around double the RN's $70 retail price. Compared to similarly priced lights the RN1200 is still a powerhouse and along with all its good characteristics a great value. If your looking for a cutoff beam light you need to look else where though!
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    Just so I'm clear, you're saying that from you experience the light is more or less like a flashlight (i.e. an equal amount of light pointed down at the road and up into the sky. Is that right?
    That's correct. The RN1200's beam is quite a bit wider than the Cygolites I have (Metro 800/950, Ranger 1400) so also puts the light beam up in the trees and pretty hard to aim down enough to not still shine into on-coming traffic. This is a light I just aim for best visibility and cover the top of the beam with my hand (when safe to do so) to shield approaching traffic from the top spill. I personally like the beam pattern on my Cygolites a bit better but in every other respect I prefer the RN1200.
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    Experimenting with the HL01 (5000K XP-L) revealed it makes a pretty good bar light. Nice beam width and throw makes it very usable as delivered for bike application. Chunky construction also helps keep it thermally stable though a liability for helmet use. User interface program is a bit complicated compared to your typical bike light. Something you'll need to know though to set the light up for cycling (thermal threshold) but if you use the light all the time it shouldn't be a problem as there's just a lot more things you have to remember and once set up it's fairly simple to use. Runtimes are pretty short using a high capacity 18650 cell if you want to run it in the turbo mode but luckily that's not necessary and it's no problem getting a couple of hours at a comfortable output level + it's easy to stick another battery in whenever necessary. Output testing and runtimes will be coming soon.
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    Different mounting layout has made a significant improvement in usability (for me) by placing the on/off/mode button on top where it's easier to operate. Pretty happy with how this setup (Astrolux HL01 XP-L 5000K + Amazon mount and extra batteries) works as a bar light. Will be interesting to see how it fairs in 100į summer weather but last nights ride with 70ish temps. only made it warm running in the turbo mode so I'm optimistic it will do fine. The same light with the 4000K SST20 emitter that I had on my helmet was noticeably warmer under the same conditions. Unfortunately I've been less happy w ith that HL01 version. Max. lumen output is only a little over half of what the XP-L model makes (same runtime) and while it does have a higher max lux reading and more throw (and narrower beam) the tint is a bit warm for me.
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    Those 4000k SST20's are a small emitter that have 95cri. If you get one with a good tint it has one of the nicest looking beams, but it's not that efficient or powerful. The 5000k ones are 70cri, brighter and more efficient but are no match for the bigger xpl. I just finished putting a 4000k xhp35 in a Convoy S2. Its a narrower beam but it will slightly beat my XP3 for throw. The fourth level matches medium on the XP3, sitting on a table at room temperature with no cooling it will throttle down to a little more throw than low on the XP3. With no throttling on the fourth level it will probably eat a battery every 45 minutes. The third level matches the XP3 on low for throw and draws about 0.7 amps on the battery. The beam is getting a bit narrow for singletrack at that point but still rideable.

    It's not as efficient as an xpl but it does a really good job of putting the light where its needed. The beam looks like a good quality xpl-hi with a little more punch. That emitter has a lot of promise for a self contained light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arc View Post
    Those 4000k SST20's are a small emitter that have 95cri. If you get one with a good tint it has one of the nicest looking beams, but it's not that efficient or powerful. The 5000k ones are 70cri, brighter and more efficient but are no match for the bigger xpl. I just finished putting a 4000k xhp35 in a Convoy S2. Its a narrower beam but it will slightly beat my XP3 for throw. The fourth level matches medium on the XP3, sitting on a table at room temperature with no cooling it will throttle down to a little more throw than low on the XP3. With no throttling on the fourth level it will probably eat a battery every 45 minutes. The third level matches the XP3 on low for throw and draws about 0.7 amps on the battery. The beam is getting a bit narrow for singletrack at that point but still rideable.

    It's not as efficient as an xpl but it does a really good job of putting the light where its needed. The beam looks like a good quality xpl-hi with a little more punch. That emitter has a lot of promise for a self contained light.
    Curious what you think of the SST40 emitter. I picked up a Convoy S2+SST40 5000K and have been very pleased with the lights balance of output, beam width, throw, and efficiency for helmet application on a bike. Would love to try the SST40 using the HL01 as a host light.
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    I have a couple of those emitters around here somewhere, they were supposed to be put in two flashlights that have 6000k sst40's but I got really busy at work for a couple months. They seem like a small step up from an xml2 can be driven harder and don't come in 4000k. I can't say much more about them until I get one outside and shine it on a cat, raccoon or some other critter. The 6000k in my astrolux FT03 (60mm reflector) doesn't do a great job of keeping colours looking natural but the beam is pretty smooth. The one in my Convoy 21B is pretty ringy, not sure if the reflector position needs fine tuning or maybe they just don't work well together.

    The xml3 should be getting close to being released. The little blurb I read claimed more output than the sst40 at stock power levels and be an improvement on the xml2 in every way. There is also a guy at Budgetlightforums designing a small single cell buck boost driver. It should be more efficient than the usual flashlight driver, better temperature regulation and consistent output from full battery to dead. Perfect for a bike flashlight.

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    New Bike Light Comparison Video



    I came across this video today and thought it worthy of posting here. It's a test as delivered affair so doesn't take into account some very valuable features like programmable preset levels and changeable optic options (mentioned but not shown in beam test portion) but does cover some lights we've not seen or have limited exposure to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post

    I came across this video today and thought it worthy of posting here. It's a test as delivered affair so doesn't take into account some very valuable features like programmable preset levels and changeable optic options (mentioned but not shown in beam test portion) but does cover some lights we've not seen or have limited exposure to.
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    I always find it fascinating in what the Brits think are the best lights. I was amazed that the Gloworm XS they reviewed ended up in roughly the middle of the pack while the Hope lamp ( U.K. made ) ended up near the top. Even more surprising was that they rated the Magicshine Monteer 6500 as the top lamp.

    I was impressed by the beam pattern of the new self-contained, dual emitter Niterider lamp which they also rated fairly high. While they did say it only ran for one hour on high, I'm sure if you were to use some of the lower modes it should still provide a nice beam pattern for a bar lamp and if coupled with a helmet torch or light make for a very nice setup for mountain biking.

    Quote Originally Posted by arc View Post
    Those 4000k SST20's are a small emitter that have 95cri. If you get one with a good tint it has one of the nicest looking beams, but it's not that efficient or powerful. The 5000k ones are 70cri, brighter and more efficient but are no match for the bigger xpl. ....
    Mr. arc ; thank you for your comments on the SST series of LED's. I'm not too familiar with these emitters so your comments were most welcome. My Firefies E01 however is the first torch I own that is using an SST40 ( 5700K rating ). With the provided TIR optic it does however make for a very nice beam pattern suitable for helmet use although It might not be as nice at my Convoy M1 with Cree XP-L Hi. Still, it's pretty much in the same Ballpark and makes for an excellent helmet torch. Since it can use 21700 cells and the Convoy's can't the E01 will see some major use.

    ( Someone please give arc some more reputation. I can't give him anymore and he deserves to have more that just two greenies. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I always find it fascinating in what the Brits think are the best lights. I was amazed that the Gloworm XS they reviewed ended up in roughly the middle of the pack while the Hope lamp ( U.K. made ) ended up near the top. Even more surprising was that they rated the Magicshine Monteer 6500 as the top lamp.
    It was a little disappointing they mentioned and even showed the Gloworm's included wide angle optics but didn't bother to set the XSV up for how they were going to use it. Not totally surprised the MS 6500 light won as I've seen several people say it's the best light they ever used. Quality of the two MS lights I recently tested (RN1200/Allti 2000) seemed about 10 levels above my old 808's and assuming their flagship 6500 is probably similar or better!

    I was impressed by the beam pattern of the new self-contained, dual emitter Niterider lamp which they also rated fairly high. While they did say it only ran for one hour on high, I'm sure if you were to use some of the lower modes it should still provide a nice beam pattern for a bar lamp and if coupled with a helmet torch or light make for a very nice setup for mountain biking.
    I'm not a big Lumina fan but would have no problem recommending the 1800. I had one for a couple of weeks a few months ago and while it still had some of the Lumina characteristics I'm not fond of the beam pattern is sooo good it trumps any of its weaknesses. Nice light!!

    Mr. arc ; thank you for your comments on the SST series of LED's. I'm not too familiar with these emitters so your comments were most welcome. My Firefies E01 however is the first torch I own that is using an SST40 ( 5700K rating ). With the provided TIR optic it does however make for a very nice beam pattern suitable for helmet use although It might not be as nice at my Convoy M1 with Cree XP-L Hi. Still, it's pretty much in the same Ballpark and makes for an excellent helmet torch. Since it can use 21700 cells and the Convoy's can't the E01 will see some major use.
    I going to have to reread you E01 review. My last torch purchase of 2 HL01's (1 5000K XPL, 1 4000K SST20) I also added a Convoy S2+ SST40 5000K cause it was only $13 and have been quite impressed with its performance. Compared to the Astrolux XPL version the Convoy makes a little more lumen output and quite a bit more throw thanks in part to its larger/deeper reflector but also runs quite a bit longer on a similar cell so seems more efficient. SSt20 Astrolux is pretty much a dog compared to the other two torches producing only about 50% of the lumen output and having the shortest runtime of the three lamps. Too hefty a price to pay for the high CRI numbers for me.
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    A bit pricey for something of unknown quality. Curiosity about the auto dimming when stopped, reported high runtimes (3 hr.) in the high mode, and performance endorsement in the BikeRadar light comparison video convinced me to take a chance on it. I have a feeling it will end up with some sort of custom mount to fix what appears to be its only obvious weakness. My first Wiggle order so we'll see how long it takes to get this thing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    ...A bit pricey for something of unknown quality. Curiosity about the auto dimming when stopped, reported high runtimes (3 hr.) in the high mode, and performance endorsement in the BikeRadar light comparison video convinced me to take a chance on it. I have a feeling it will end up with some sort of custom mount to fix what appears to be its only obvious weakness. My first Wiggle order so we'll see how long it takes to get this thing!
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    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when it comes to the mount. No so much about the mounting although with two screws it might be a PITA to setup. I was thinking more about that round ( Garminish ) type QR platform. If the plastic is the cheap / brittle Chinese stuff the mount could end up being problematic ( since the lamp itself is no lite-weight ).

    The reason for the long run time on high is probably because of the emitters ( Cree XPG-S4...?...do they still make those? ). I have a feeling the lamp will dim when really hot because of the XPG's, how much is anyone's guess. Would of been better ( and brighter ) with more throw if they had chosen to use XP-L HI's. Not to mention the newer XM-L2 and XP-L series are suppose to handle heat better. With the XPG's I really think the throw will suffer. Think back when we were using 2 x BT40's. I remember commenting back then that using two made no sense because two really didn't increase the throw all the much, which was the reason I tried using two. Of course those were NW XPG's and the Pavo with the XPG- S4 bin should be extremely cold, which usually translates to mean " a bit more throw". The real question is, "How much will the multi-optic kill the throw"?

    I've ordered from Wiggle before without any issues. When I look on the Wiggle website they had one static night photo which didn't impress me when it comes to throw BUT..as I've often said, camera's don't always show the throw well when most of the light is projected nearer the bike. Now if I'm right and the throw on high is not impressive, the throw on the lesser modes will be even worse.

    I will say the price is right. If you prefer a colder LED lamp and are using in combo with a good helmet lamp then the throw is not so important. If the lamp does actually get 3hrs on high that might be the feature that supersedes lack of throw ( if I'm right ) or problems with the mount.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    ....... I have a feeling it will end up with some sort of custom mount to fix what appears to be its only obvious weakness......
    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when it comes to the mount. No so much about the mounting although with two screws it might be a PITA to setup. I was thinking more about that round ( Garminish ) type QR platform. If the plastic is the cheap / brittle Chinese stuff the mount could end up being problematic ( since the lamp itself is no lite-weight ). ............
    From the pictures, I'm thinking it will be an easy one to convert to GoPro mounting .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    From the pictures, I'm thinking it will be an easy one to convert to GoPro mounting .
    When I get the light I will evaluate what I want to do with the mount. Pictures from other reviews make it look like the "Garmin style" portion of the mount may just unbolt from the bar clamp and I'd like to retain that feature if I can. Agree that it should be easily adapted to Gopro mounting (see picture) which would address the lack of vertical and horizontal adjustment that has been the main complaint in the reviews I've read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when it comes to the mount. No so much about the mounting although with two screws it might be a PITA to setup. I was thinking more about that round ( Garminish ) type QR platform. If the plastic is the cheap / brittle Chinese stuff the mount could end up being problematic ( since the lamp itself is no lite-weight ).
    Will have to do something with the stock mount but am waiting to see everything first before I decide what. I really like the Garmin style mounts that came with the 2 Magicshine lights I recently used so if I can make it work with a different bar clamp I'll go that route. Fitting a Gopro adapter looks simple enough and would be happy with that system too.


    The reason for the long run time on high is probably because of the emitters ( Cree XPG-S4...?...do they still make those? ). I have a feeling the lamp will dim when really hot because of the XPG's, how much is anyone's guess. Would of been better ( and brighter ) with more throw if they had chosen to use XP-L HI's. Not to mention the newer XM-L2 and XP-L series are suppose to handle heat better. With the XPG's I really think the throw will suffer. Think back when we were using 2 x BT40's. I remember commenting back then that using two made no sense because two really didn't increase the throw all the much, which was the reason I tried using two. Of course those were NW XPG's and the Pavo with the XPG- S4 bin should be extremely cold, which usually translates to mean " a bit more throw". The real question is, "How much will the multi-optic kill the throw"?
    I have 2 7 XPG lights already (BT70, C&BSeen 7up) and they both have a good mix of flood and throw (which is the way the BikeRadar test described the beam). Both of my 7ups also are frugal with current draw compared to their output which helps with the runtime. I agree to get 3hrs. @ the max setting there will probably be a good amount of output degrading to deal with. Actual runtime claim by manufacturer is 1.9 hrs and I'm unsure of the lights battery capacity so we'll see what I get when the light arrives. Will most likely be using the 1200 lumen setting 90% of the time and if I can get 4-5 hours so set I'll be happy.


    I've ordered from Wiggle before without any issues.
    I got a notification from DHL this morning saying I should get the light this coming Thursday so faster then I expected.



    I will say the price is right. If you prefer a colder LED lamp and are using in combo with a good helmet lamp then the throw is not so important. If the lamp does actually get 3hrs on high that might be the feature that supersedes lack of throw ( if I'm right ) or problems with the mount.
    I still prefer warmer tint for trail use but since they've been converting all the street lights to led's the 6000Kish tint seems to work better in that environment. Hope I think it was worth the money after using it for a while!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Will have to do something with the stock mount but am waiting to see everything first before I decide what. I really like the Garmin style mounts that came with the 2 Magicshine lights I recently used so if I can make it work with a different bar clamp I'll go that route. ..........
    From the picture it seems like it is not going to be Garmin compatible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    From the picture it seems like it is not going to be Garmin compatible.
    I'm pretty sure it won't be Garmin compatible too, the dimensions look off. The tester in the Bikeradar video commented the mount was solid and I like the 90į twist and lock style of mounting but not the actual bar clamp. I'll post some pictures when I get the light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    I'm pretty sure it won't be Garmin compatible too, the dimensions look off. .......
    Plus it does not have the notches that are used on Garmin compatible devices to lock them in pace after turn the 90 degrees.
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    Lifeline Pavo Motion 2400



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    DHL dropped off the light this afternoon so Wiggle did pretty good getting it to me quickly. Unfortunate side effect of the current protests is a State imposed curfew (8pm - 5am) so won't get to try it out for a while but have it on the charger and will run what tests I can. My first impression was what a nice looking light. A little chunky but about the same physical size as my Taz 1500. I played around with the UI when I got the light and like the Bikeradar video said it's pretty simple four steady 2000/1000/500/250 lumen modes. The automatic dimming motion program is the only way to access the max output and reduces output quickly when the light's not moving. Shaking the light brought it back to full output but I really need to ride with the light to see how quickly it will transition in use. Unfortunately the flashing modes are also in the motion program which I don't care for but at least the steady modes are on their own program. Stock mount may be a PITA to set up but it does mount the light solidly and both the lighthead and bar clamp Garmin style interfaces are easily removable so ditching the 2 bolt bar mount should be simple. More to come!
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    @MRM...; Glad to see you got this so fast. Nice to know Wiggle is using DHL. Damn, that thing is a monster now ain't it. I was going say that I'd like to see some beam shots but unless there is a way to disable the motion sensor I can't see how that will be possible. This also raises another question; How sensitive is the motion sensor? I would have no problem with this as long as the light doesn't drop to 50% output on a really smooth section. Secondly ( you should be able to answer this now ), "When you come to a stop how fast does the motion sensor cut the output"? Ideally I'd like it to kick-in after about 20-30 seconds. That would allow time to take a quick photo at full power. As I see it the usability of the lamp will highly depend on if there is any problems with the motion sensor.

    I'm also interested in knowing how stable the lamp is on the stock mount when moving. ( is there noticeable bouncing or heavy vibration? ) Anyway, got thinking that with the larger size ( wider spacing between the LED's ) that there might be better heat dissipation, at least up to the 1000 lumen mode. I sure hope there is some way you can show us a static beam pattern. This lamp could be a super deal if the beam pattern is right, the motion sensor works well and you don't mind LED's that are cool white. ( Any bluishness to the beam tint? )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    @MRM...; Glad to see you got this so fast. Nice to know Wiggle is using DHL. Damn, that thing is a monster now ain't it. I was going say that I'd like to see some beam shots but unless there is a way to disable the motion sensor I can't see how that will be possible. This also raises another question; How sensitive is the motion sensor? I would have no problem with this as long as the light doesn't drop to 50% output on a really smooth section. Secondly ( you should be able to answer this now ), "When you come to a stop how fast does the motion sensor cut the output"? Ideally I'd like it to kick-in after about 20-30 seconds. That would allow time to take a quick photo at full power. As I see it the usability of the lamp will highly depend on if there is any problems with the motion sensor.
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    I could try to figure out simulations for some of this but really need to test it on the bike which won't happen till they lift the current "protest" curfew (hopefully Sunday). Playing around with the light when it is put in the motion program it noticeably starts dimming gradually down to 50% of whatever level it was started in so will be difficult to get any shots @ max. output or take any measurements for that matter. It does have a steady output program but the mode levels are claimed 20% weaker (which I'm OK with) so will do any beam shots and light-meter measurements in that program.

    I'm also interested in knowing how stable the lamp is on the stock mount when moving. ( is there noticeable bouncing or heavy vibration? ) Anyway, got thinking that with the larger size ( wider spacing between the LED's ) that there might be better heat dissipation, at least up to the 1000 lumen mode. I sure hope there is some way you can show us a static beam pattern. This lamp could be a super deal if the beam pattern is right, the motion sensor works well and you don't mind LED's that are cool white. ([I] Any bluishness to the beam tint?
    Mount seems very solid (which the Bikeradar video also said) but with this heavy of a light I'd like to ride with it over some rough ground before I make my mind up. I did run the light through a full cycle (3 hrs.) of the high mode (2000/1835 claimed/measured lumens) in the steady output program and the highest temp. reading I got with my infrared light gun was just over 100įF which is excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    ...Playing around with the light when it is put in the motion program it noticeably starts dimming gradually down to 50% of whatever level it was started in so will be difficult to get any shots @ max. output or take any measurements for that matter. It does have a steady output program but the mode levels are claimed 20% weaker (which I'm OK with) so will do any beam shots and light-meter measurements in that program.

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    Okay, didn't know it had a steady program mode. Real shame that the "steady program" mode is designed with less output. ( What is the claimed output of the next to highest mode when in "steady mode"? )
    Looking forward to a beam shot when you get the chance.

    Sorry to hear you live near an area that is dealing with the current protests. That has to be a real drag. Hopefully most of this will fade in the current week. Strange that your Governor decided to issue a state wide curfew instead of only in the areas where the protests were held. Thankfully no protests in Md. at this time although the closest ones are in Washington D.C. ( as to be expected ). Sadly, with all the close-down due to the Covid-19 virus there is unfortunately a lot of people either laid off from work or home from school / College with nothing better to do and a lot of spare time on their hands. Just a unfortunate confluence of two bad things happening at the same time. Never thought I'd say this but I'll be happy when the news cycles back to just updates on the Covid-19 virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Okay, didn't know it had a steady program mode. Real shame that the "steady program" mode is designed with less output. ( What is the claimed output of the next to highest mode when in "steady mode"? )
    Looking forward to a beam shot when you get the chance.
    Claimed output of each of the mode levels in the steady program are 2000/1000/500/250 lumens. Keeping my fingers crossed that I will be able to get out for a good ride with the light on Sunday. Just shining the light on the wall the coverage looks a little wider than my BT40, a little softer around the edges of the beam but more intense at the center, and unfortunately a cooler tint. Max lux readings are more than double the BT40's numbers so throw should be good for a bar light. One thing I found I don't like is it took about 8 hrs. to charge the thing after running it in the high/steady mode for 3 hrs.
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    Unfortunately still no good ride with the Pavo 2400 yet. Last I herd the curfew was supposed to end @ 5am this morning but predicted high winds this evening might keep me off the bike tonight too (). Only actual ride time so far has been 15-20 minutes of pre-curfew semi darkness a couple of nights ago. Beam looks nice and wide but that's about the only valuable comment I can make considering the lighting conditions. Indoor test has been a bit of good and bad (IMO). The light did run a full 3 hrs. in the steady/high mode and while the output did degrade it spent most of the time in the 1300-1400 lumen range, above 1000 lumens till about 2.5 hrs., and didn't dip below 500 lumens till just before 3 hrs. (). Next level down I was expecting a lower but very usable output (which it has) and more consistency (which wasn't as good as what I anticipated). While I'm sure the second highest consistent mode will run over 6 hrs. (I quit test after it dropped below 350 lumenn @ 4.5 hrs.) my 500 lumen lower level output for mtn. biking was only extended to about 4 hrs so not much of an improvement over the high/steady level. Of course beam pattern effectiveness can influence how usable the light is at higher and lower output levels so really need actual ride impressions to solidify my opinion. More to come, hopefully soon!
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