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    Ituo WIZ XP3 Review

    Here is the Ituo WIZ XP3 triple XM-L2 Neutral White light we have been anticipating.

    (website isn't showing anything yet as I have the production sample, which I say is good to go)

    Ituo WIz XP3 Light head only (includes everything except battery and charger): $149.99

    Ituo WIZ XP3 Full Kit: $209.99

    First impressions:

    Quality build inside and out. A bit "plain" looking in appearance but its performance and functionality more than make up for that. Nice mounting options, Ituo has their quick release style handlebar mount which is really nice. Better than perma-mounting aluminum ones so I dont have huge gopro mounts on my bars. Pack is rather nice, neoprene (think xeccon) pouch, full rubber casing around the pack (ituo went with neon yellow instead of normal black). Charger is actually branded and looks like something decent. DSS is the brand, huge thumbs up there, no random cheap charger. And charges at 1.5A so another plus. And of course the remote. I still hold to my opinion button could be taller so its easier to find through gloves but thats the only "complaint" with it.

    Included:

    1 XP3 light head
    1 gopro style helmet mount
    1 QR gopro style bar mount
    1 6400mah Panasonic NCR18650BE 4 cell pack
    1 1.5A, 8.4V charger
    1 removable wired remote
    1 thumb screw and velcro strap
    User manual

    Ratings:

    -2300 Lumens Output (over 2400 lumens tested at 30 seconds, steady output for almost entire run time still a bit over 2300 lumens)
    -Run time is 2 hrs. Just barely makes it when ran on high obviously the entire time
    -Weight for the head is 108G (remote and mounts not included in that weight, never are with any light i know of)
    -Current Draw is 3A at fresh charge, increasing to 4.1A near the end before it drops off to 1000 lumen range. Holds pretty steady at 3A for most of the run time on high.











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    Thanks for the pic. Looks verrrrrrry good! First question, does the XP series accept standard Vancbiker mounts or is going to be something custom? Please post all the specs. first and answer when you get time.
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    Looks schweet!

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    No standard vancbiker mounts WONT work as they are. The screws are a different size and 2 of them. But if needed I can get measurements for you to give Vanc. Or since you ordered an XP2 already, they uses the EXACT same mount so youll have it there in front of you when you get it to know what you need to make a Vanc mount work.

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    These looks super sweet! I's got to have one!
    Not that I really need another new lamp but the ITOU company is an innovative and new source for Quality bike lights that I really feel needs to be supported by the community. I am really looking forward to how this lamp sizes up to the other really good bike lights in today's market. Tig, prices please for full kit & headlight only as soon as possible.

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    currently $149.99 for head, $209.99 for kit. May change and there will be a pre order discount, just amount unknown currently.
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    Light-head weight?
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    108g head only

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    That's a joke right, 210$ for a kit! Ituo kinda shoots over their heads, way over their heads.

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    I'm sitting here with them compared to Gemini amd gloworm. All in hand. The price is rather fair to say the least. Quality and performance all here.

    Ituo isn't some cheap Chinese company.

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    Why are you sitting? We want a ride vid ASAP! Joking, what optics are standard issue for the XP3?

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    LOL im working on it, weather hasnt been cooperating, hopefully get a ride in this weekend with it, get at least a little video.

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    Yeah, it's about three times the price I was hoping for, which was obviously very unrealistic. They are making top quality stuff which demands a higher price. It's pretty much exactly what I wanted, but it's out of my price range right now.

    I do feel like a chump though. We spent all that time going back and forth on multiple build-your-custom light threads discussing what would the perfect light. Then someone builds it and sells our own ideas back to us at top dollar. Initially I thought they were doing us a favor, but in reality we are doing them the favor. This will be a big seller and we did all their market research for them. Instead of giving my ideas (or our ideas) out for free, it seems like it's better to come up with your own company and try to sell it to everyone here. I can't be the only one on the forum who has come to this conclusion. Probably not the best place to post this, my apologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Yeah, it's about three times the price I was hoping for, which was obviously very unrealistic. Obviously they are making top quality stuff which demands a higher price. It's pretty much exactly what I wanted, but it's out of my price range right now.

    I do feel like a chump though. We spent all that time going back and forth on multiple build-your-custom light threads discussing what would the perfect light. Then someone builds it and sells our own ideas back to us at top dollar. Initially I thought they were doing us a favor, but in reality we are doing them the favor. This will be a big seller and we did all their market research for them. Instead of giving my ideas (or our ideas) out for free, it seems like it's better to come up with your own company and try to sell it to everyone here. I can't be the only one on the forum who has come to this conclusion. Probably not the best place to post this, my apologies.
    That's how market research works. Companies gather information from their target consumers to make the most desirable product. By us investing the time to compile all the things we were looking for we insured that the XP3 was custom made just for us. Sounds to me like Ituo did us a favor and gave us the light we wanted just with quality parts throughout at a very reasonable price for what you get. Gearbest is still planning to build the "Ceap Chinese" version for approx. $50. So lucky us have a choice of 2 quality levels of the light we wanted. I'll happily pay the extra for the Ituo to get the better quality/a warranty/U.S. distributor with fast shipping. If you decide to get the Gearbest version I'll look forward to your review/impressions.
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    I too was a lil surprised at Ituo's pricing. After using my wiz20 a while, I see the quality is far away better than the cheepies. I don't know if I'll shell out $210, but I'm glad I have another choice for a quality light.

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    My thoughts; yeah it would have been nice if the price for the kit would have been under $200. Perhaps with pre-order discount we might be able to get a lower price. Lamp head only is still not a bad deal at $150.

    Maybe it's just me but I was never under the illusion that this type of product was going to be sold at a rock bottom price. the price might be higher than expected but it is still in a reasonable range. ( not to mention that it might be the brightest 3 emitter lamp available at this time. )

    I'm still waiting to find out when this project is going to be available. Also waiting on a discount code.

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    nevermind
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    Yeah, I'm just moaning a little bit.

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    Its cool, its the cost of wanting great build quality and options we want. Plus product support/warranty. We can have the basic functionality a lot cheap, but then we play the Gamble of if it even works when it arrives and if so, for how long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by varider View Post
    Yeah, I'm just moaning a little bit.
    I'm not sure what Ituo plans on doing with the XP3 but I got $30 and $25 off MSRP respectively on my Wiz20 and XP2 pre-orders.
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    The gloworm was done on a 6800mah Panasonic pack. But being as it's my primary pack for my bar lights, it didn't run the xs quite as long as a new pack would. Expect runtime to the same as the xp3, maybe a hair longer I'll have to look at current draw readings from the tests.
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    All in all, without ideas served to them from here all they would come up is just regular sh** that you can buy on ebay or aliexpress, on - low - medium - high - strobe - sos - off, thats all they know.
    Anyway, for 210$ there is a ton of options not limited only to bike style lights, flashlights also work fine.
    I was intrigued at the beginning, wondered how will this light turn up but now I am not even coinsidering it (maybe one day in far distant future when they achieve Nitecore or Olight or Fenix level (on their own) I may give them a chance), I got myself 2 x Nitefighters BC40S (15$ each from ebay, superb quality), made 2 x 2S3P battery packs with genuine panasonic cells (40$ each, including hunk-lee 7A protection pcb and that fancy magicshine plastic case)and that's a 110$ setup that can easily beat XP3 and XP4, maybe even XP5 if they survive that long to make one...

    Don't know what else to say while I wait for night to come to try out Fenix BC30R that I got yesterday (from ebay, for half the price of XP3)...

    p.s. Nice smiling kity you have there

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    Annoyed with childish and disruptive responses to a light that I have the only one in existance outside of the sample at the company. Dont bad mouth a product you dont have, have never seen or anything like that. Not unless its an issue with actual performance and design shown and posted above.

    Btw. I also have a Fenix bc30r, didn't last 10 short rides before it broke internally. Not to mention their set up is 10yrs behind the times. I won't touch another Fenix product again. $140 paper weight is all it is.

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    Don't go Tig! Let him enjoy his fenix lol. Now get back to reviewing a real light..., the xp3

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    And one final fact to point out as I just checked history:

    Ituo had EVERYTHING except the removable wired remote before we said anything.

    AND WE ALL TOLD THEM TO MAKE IT, LOOK AT THEIR THREADS ASKING FOR OUR INPUT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigris99 View Post
    And one final fact to point out as I just checked history:

    Ituo had EVERYTHING except the removable wired remote before we said anything.

    AND WE ALL TOLD THEM TO MAKE IT, LOOK AT THEIR THREADS ASKING FOR OUR INPUT.

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    Any information Ituo got here (voluntary on our part) they used to our benefit. Gloworm does this too and what we get are products from these companies that fit out needs.
    IMO Ituo did us a favor by listening to what we want and I'm happy to have another option when looking for a quality light.
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    OK enough with all the PM's guys. Thanks, As long as we can get back to normal things and away from that garbage, keeping on topic (and yes price is topic too, just not in the "manner" above) Ill continue this review thread.

    No need for a "TL;DR" moment but Im doing my best to get real, unbiased info here. Havent been this excited about a light since we saw the BT21 last year. But numbers and everything I have in my hands doesnt lie.

    Ituo in my hands has to compete against:

    Cheap Chinese lights (all but 2 are modded to get desired functionality from them):
    2 SS X3: 1 modded one not (bought it for spare parts to make sure my other ssx3 stays going)
    1 SS x2
    2 Yindings (one modded, one just optics change)
    1 BT21 (modded to repair driver issues)
    1 heavily modded 880 clone
    1 BT70

    Brand Name Lights (and I bought the gloworms myself to feed my desire for them):
    2016 Gemini Duo
    2016 Gemini Olympia (nice lights BTW, just got 2 major issues in my book, see thread)
    2015 Gloworm X2
    2015 Gloworm XS (only modded to us U3 bin 3D NW emitters, which I switched back to U2 Cool white stock emitter for comparison testing graphs, then now my U3 NW emitters again)
    Xeccon Z10 and Z11
    Fenix BC30R (which no longer works but was untouched till fenix asked me to open it then used that as an excuse not to warranty it since the ribbon cable had fried and I had purchased it from out of the country)


    Break down for comparison:

    -Ituo XP3 (and XP2) include full standard gopro mount compatibility. Only company that did anything better IMHO is gloworm, and thats only with the handlebar mount. Because its offset so lights are centered on stem. Gemini and such use band mounts.

    -Ituo removeable wired remote. Only one that beats that is Gemini because their wireless SEEMS to work well for multiple lights. No issues yet on the trails. Near interference sources like phones, computers etc (inside a house, maybe urban area) it does get glitchy.

    -Ituo 6400mah Panasonic pack: ONLY light to compare is the XS, which or a much higher price tag comes with 6800mah panasonic celled pack. Rest are 5200mah packs

    -All have programmable driver except Xeccon but thats due to the insanely tiny size of the Z10 and 11, just not enough room in their for a chip that can handle all the programming needed. Ituo and Gemini both have it done right (IIRC on Gemini) its a true, rapid double click that requires a bit of concentration to enter programming mode. Gloworm failed at this.

    -Thermal management control: Only Gloworm and Ituo have active control. Rest have a step down. Only Ituo takes temperature readings directly from the emitter PCB to better control overall temps (in theory) but gloworm program works nicely as well.

    -optics: Ituo uses easily available optics that many of us have on hand. Gives us the most wide range of options for beam patterns. Gemini comes in second on that. Gloworm has 3 options, 2 are highly usable. The "flood" optic is the spot optic with a little more spill (not much but it can help)

    -Button location: Only Ituo and Xeccon have top buttons, Gloworm only has the wired remote.

    -Lumen Output: Regardless of how accurate my sphere is (which has been tested and recalibrated several times to ensure best possible accuracy) the highest reading still goes to the XP3 by a substantial margin (graph above)

    -OVERALL BUILD QUALITY: All are pretty much identical. Each uses a slightly different design to achieve basically the same thing. Drivers are built with quality components, well thought out and executed. Case thermal transfer is all on par. Proper solid wall behind the emitters, each uses their own PCB for the emitters.

    -PRICE: Ituo is almost identical to Gemini lights in price. Gloworm is higher, xeccon in between gemini/ituo and gloworm.

    Light isnt perfect as Im dealing with: the light head battery cable is a bit on the long side considering the length of the cable on the battery pack. And the Hidden strobe is activated before completely shutting off. Putting off then hidden strobe modes I think may be better served in the opposite.

    But like EVERY LIGHT, what is improvements for down the road? Us finding things for them to make better. Just like every light. One thing Ituo has done is taken us very seriously. Gloworm has been reading the complaints over the programming mode mess for a long time, nothing has changed yet. Gemini thermal step down has been a complaint that still remains (but according to some, worse than before)

    Seems to me Ituo is trying to rise above and get into Gloworm (and others in that price range) market while having a Gemini and Xeccon price range. Bang for buck wins here so far. And if the wiz20 is proof of anything, these lights will last the test of durability, holding up as well as the best in the crap we put lights through.
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    Oh and one more thing:

    Was going to get a ride in tonight but celebrated anniversary with wife today (falls during the week next week) plus yard work in the heat this morning, chasing kids first half the day and so on. Too wiped out.

    Going tomorrow night, may switch it up to the trail I used for the nightfighter review last summer for a change in scenery. And got a big even with my club next weekend, so be some drunken night riding going on (yeap Ill have at least 2 cameras going, maybe a bit buzzed myself at some point during it)

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    I want to add something for those of you who live in warm climates to consider. I too like the Gloworm mounts for their ability to center the light but the side mount also eliminates the option of adding any additional heat-sink volume or surface area like Vancbikers excellent finned mounts. Gloworms thermal management is seamless and far preferable to a hard step down but being small lights heat build up near 100 and up you have considerable diminished output. At this point I don't have a XP3 W/Vancbiker mount to test but based on past experience with other lights am confident you would retain most of the lights max. output capability at higher temps. Big XP3(and XP2) advantage for hot weather riders over the Gloworm products.
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    Geez, there's a shit ton of butt hurt around here. All over what seems to be a good quality light at a reasonable price for what you get.

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    Ok got my ride in tonight!

    Awesome ride, much better when I can dial my beam pattern in very specifically. Beat my personal best by 0.5mph, 54 seconds faster in 1.25miles. hit and humid so faster meant comfortable vs miserable conditions. So I decided to see how hard I could push it. Having the nice even beam from tire to as far as I wanted in front gave me a sense of daylight riding without all the distractions in my peripheral vision. Huge confidence boost. Was achievable via other lights but some situations (tight but punchy switchbacks and such) I'd be cautious. Instead now it's like riding with my XS on the lid but with more lumens concentrated down range.

    The first longer fast section I ran in high mode. After checking out the throw from the top of the hill, I only went to medium modes which are set to 70% on the xp2 and 60% on the xp3. Did the rest of the ride on that including the fastest area of the loop.

    Something I have never done before on clean hard pack in dry conditions, go fast enough around a corner my rear tire came loose without me having been touching the brakes. Realized I have a bit more handling skills that I thought cause didn't even phase me till after. Didn't mess my line up or anything.

    Dialed in light set up (and dialed in bike now as well) made for the best ride I've had in a long time. Not saying its because of Ituo lights, but the ability to get just the beam combinations that work perfect for me came because of having several optics choices to work with.

    Xp2 with a 45deg and 60deg optics. 45 deg gave me just a bit more throw out of the bars though hot spot isn't visible on the trail at all.

    Xp3 was 2 10deg optics on the outsides with the 25 deg (which we think is more 15 deg with some extra spill) which gave me an awesome smooth batch of light from my bars as far as I could possibly need to see.

    Also some have seen the hill off to the right of my normal beam shots, from on top of that the xp3 has enough throw and intensity with it that from the top of that hill looking down past where I stand for beam shots to the stables and such behind it. I could make out the horse pictures on the signs marking the trail entrance for them.

    That's 350-400 ft I could make out the horse symbol on a 8x12 trail marker sign.

    Yes I got video but you'll have to wait. Both my wheels are leaking a bit on my 29 (contrary to popular belief, gorilla tape doesn't do well for more than a season for tubeless, especially in my humidity). So switching to Kapton tape and putting my 2.35 xr2 on the rear to see how I like it vs the 2.2 I have.

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    Oh btw here's a couple pics from before the sun went down (haven't had a chance to get the video uploaded yet)







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    Alright a video segment for you guys. Whenever these cycles of nasty storms stop so the trails can dry a little I will try to get something done on more open ground (and hopefully the camera can get it all) so you can really see the full capability. The glare off the plants being really damp (high humidity) kept the camera from being able to pic up the light at further distances.:

    XP3 on the lid, XP2 with wide optics on the bars.
    https://youtu.be/Cyg2UF_Jn6Q


    PS, just realized half that video was me putting the bike on the car,lol. Ill get it cut down when I get a chance.

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    Update:

    Went on a "camping trip" with the club and just a lot of other local riders.

    Really freaking hot, over 90 and high humidity during the day, still mid 80s and ridiculous humidity after dark.

    Same set up again, xp2 bars and xp3 on the lid. Made it about 10 minutes into the group trail ride (about 15 minutes from camp) when a friend's girlfriends light kept going out (cheap tri-clone thing, the place she bought it from didn't even match connectors. Solarstorm on light and ms on the pack)

    So I gave her my xp2 off my bars and my pack so she could do the rest of the ride. Which left me with xp3 on the lid on my 2 cell pack for another 45 minutes. Thankfully I had switched the center optic to the slighting wider beam/bit more spill.

    Was a fun as hell but we all looked like we just got out of the pool (including our bikes) by the time we got back just because the humidity was so high.

    What I learned:

    I can see how helmet lights work well alone. With a good mixed pattern you can see just fine. And alot better than a bar only light IMHO. You can see around corners with just a bar light which is why those of us that knew the trails were split throughout the group to call out sections that had little warning out of a corner.

    I rode at speed when I could. I'm a "slow rider" so I started being towards the rear of the pack but I know that trail well and night ride all the time. So I ended up moving up to the middle. I'm definitely completely comfortable going at speed at night. Even on a trail I'd never ridden after dark (we got special permission from park rangers just for last night for 1hr. Enough to do a full loop)

    Xp3 was definitely flawless, didn't mind the heat at all. Having truely customizable beam pattern made it able to be a single light ride for me and didn't even slow me down. And since I could still ride on medium majority of the time, even being over an hour the indicator on the light was still green just on my 2cell 3500mah pack.

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    Was just on the Ituo Facebook page and saw what I assume are the XP3 pre-order prices.
    Light-head: 129.95
    Full Kit: 184.99
    Too good a deal for me to pass up!
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    Ya goes on pre-order in a few days iirc.

    I'm mad at myself though, the case did fog up, but on the outside. I FORGOT TO CLEAN THE DAMN THING so the bit of dust on the case gave the moisture in the air something to stick to. So no video of riding with just this as a headlamp

    I'll get a short one next night trail ride, just wait for a section I feel comfortable doing it on. That park is very strict about it so I have no idea when (or if cause a couple of riders didn't listen and exit trails by the curfew, went off on their own and pissed the ranger off).

    Other trails I'm not as comfortable with "testing" a single light set up on. Though still trails I ride regularly, that one I know inside and out. Really the only trail set I rode for the first 2 seasons I started riding again.

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    Did my preorder on an XP3 Kit plus some extra wide/spot and flood optics this morning. My XP2 should be in stock next week so playing with that will keep me occupied till the 3 comes in. Might be time to revive the "Show us your light collection" thread when it gets here!
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    I'm still on the fence. I love the fact of the xp2 and its efficiency or the brute power of the xp3....? I don't understand Ituo speccing the same battery pack. Saves money but a 6 cell offer is prolly in order.

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    2 hrs run time on high is kind of a "standard" for lights. But instead of the way other companies do it (lower capacity pack) for their smaller lights, Ituo did it the other way. 2hrs in their big light and use that pack for the xp2 as well. 6 cell is an "upgrade" for other lights as well for those that want more runtime but for me at least, 2hrs on max translates to 4+ during actual use for me.

    Hell I ran on a 2 cell 3500mah pack for over an hour. Low mode when we'd stop. Medium for a fair amount. High when things got fast.

    And I still had a fair amount t of battery power left by the time we got back to camp.

    Always something to think about when getting a battery pack. How much time are you actually going to spend in high mode?

    As for decided between lights. Do like I did with Gloworm, just buy both

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Road View Post
    I'm still on the fence. I love the fact of the xp2 and its efficiency or the brute power of the xp3....? I don't understand Ituo speccing the same battery pack. Saves money but a 6 cell offer is prolly in order.
    The XP3 is actually more efficient @ any set amount of light produced. You have to run 2 emitters a lot harder to produce say 1500 lumens than you would 3 emitters so your battery run-time would be longer with the XP3 until you surpassed the amount of light the XP2 can produce. I really think in the long run you will be happier if you buy the XP3 but time is ticking and you don't have long to get an XP2 @ presale prices.
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    Good job!

    Points taken.... I want the xp3. Prolly lighthead at this juncture. But that is a good-great battery pack for not a lot, shipppp!!! Edit, full kit ordered. too good a deal to pass on. And I need a good charger like everyone else!!

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    Time for a quick update here:

    Been using this purely as my.helmet light and loving it with the 25deg optics for trail use. Programmed medium mode at about 1800 lumens and that's pretty well perfect for most things. Hit high mode for fast descents.

    Haven't had time to hit the trails further from home as been rather busy. But a lot of time on the fat bike riding the home trail, randomly exploring or just cruising around after work.

    Don't see much riding going on this week, going to be hot as hell for a bit. Too hot with high humidity for me to trail ride.

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    Yeah, and the 25d optics are sold out on Ituo's website.... What's the stock optics configuration for the xp3?

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    3 10deg spot optics.

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    I was just about to pull the trigger on the Wiz XP3 when suddenly my flat screen T.V. went on the fritz. Bad enough I had to buy a new computer two weeks ago now the TV goes up... Smoke is starting to come off my credit card it's been used so much this month.

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    I can relate! My preorder for the xp3 was made a few days before my son aka John Force
    Blew the rear end in my pickup. $1200 later my cc is gettin wooped on. Put myself on a self imposed ban from buying anything but ramen noodles. (And beer).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Road View Post
    I can relate! My preorder for the xp3 was made a few days before my son aka John Force
    Blew the rear end in my pickup. $1200 later my cc is gettin wooped on. Put myself on a self imposed ban from buying anything but ramen noodles. (And beer).
    Yep, the family guys probably deal with this kind of stuff all the time. I got told a month ago that my car was leaking coolant from the head gasket ( say it ain't so Joe ) . I was hoping it was just a leaking hose. If I do the repair it will cost about $1300 and likely another $200 for a rent-a-car while the car is being worked on. I'm still thinking about that as my car is 13 yrs old and has 98K miles on it. Not sure I'm willing to invest that much money in my old car. I'd buy a newer car but the timing and available money is all wrong right now. I've got too much **** happening right now that I have to take care of and only so much money to go around to fix all of it. Don't think I've ever dealt with a such a money draining crap-storm before.

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    Ituo xp3 is expected to arrive in the U.S. Early next week. I better get mine before MRMOLE! Very excited for this one as it clicks all my boxes for a great light. Gonna pair it up with my refurb gloworm xs for close to 5000lumens out the front door! $185 presale is a great price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Road View Post
    Very excited .
    Me Too! Big group night-ride (usually 150+ riders) next Sat. that I hope to try the light out on. Glad they got the shipping/packaging issues worked out on the XP2 so there's no additional shipping delays. Do you know if they ever got more "Wide Spot" optics in? Those optics work even better in my XP2 than they did in the Wiz20. Think they should more appropriately (and politically correctly) be called "Plus sized" spot optics for their excellent beam width which should be even better in a XP3. By this time next week the wait should be over!
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    That's cool the 25d work so good in the xp2. I had emailed Keith at Ituo yesterday to install the 25d optics in my xp3 and to check on stock status of the xp3. Looks like 25d stock is a lil thin so idk. Waitin on another shipment apparently.

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    CAtman on board with the XP3

    Just ordered the XP3 ( lamp head only ). My T.V. is in the shop and should only cost ~$200 to fix ( knock on wood ). That's better than the $500 to $600 for a new TV I thought I might need so I figured I could afford a new light since I would of been spending the money anyway. I will of course be using the XP3 primarily as a helmet lamp ( at least that's my plan ). I'm gonna miss the Gemini wireless remote lamps but when Gloworm comes out with their wireless lamps I'll likely pick-up an XS and move the XP3 to the bars. If things go good with both lamps likely they will be the last lamps I will ever *need to buy. ( *comic disclaimer: Not needing something and buying it anyway is still an option. )

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    XP3 preorder prices are gone off the Ituo website. Hope that means the lights are in.
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    Good news for us that preordered....

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    Confirmed, Lights are in-stock!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Confirmed, Lights are in-stock!
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    Wow! Looks like I got in under the gun. Anyone know where these are going to be shipped from? The Paypal address was for someone in the USA I think. Anyway, I'll be checking my e-mail to see when it all ships. ( assuming they will email us when they start shipping ).

    Just wondering: Is there going to be a discount code for the MTBR members? If so that would be nice, even if it was only for a month or so.

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    Continued from my last post; Whoa! Just got an e-mail from ITUO. Shipment is on the way! With luck I may get it by this weekend. ( damn, already told boss I'd work Saturday... ). Can't wait to see how the ITUO stuff compares to the other lamps I have.

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    Yep mine shipped this am. Getting pumped for this one.

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    My guess is the preorder discount was it. Remember were dealing with an actual brand like gemini and glowworm. I've never seen a discount code for any brand, just sales on older models and such.

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    Btw, I was going through my videos and found I did get some video when I was running this by itself on the group ride.

    This is a big reason that neutral white emitters are 1000x better than cool white. Humidity that night was around 90% in the woods and temps in the mid 80s. Unlike cool white where I'd be getting a TON of glare off of everything including the air, everything looked natural.

    I'll get segments pieced together and hopefully get good mix out of what part of the ride i did record. Should have just left it running the entire ride

    https://youtu.be/QSmke6Chd0Y

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    Judging by my XP2 shipping experience (to Arizona) of a couple of weeks ago we should have our lights by the weekend.
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    Got an expected delivery date for my xp3, 7/29. and I'll be home this wknd! Tigris, ya should have passed that fat bike so we could get some solo footage! Looks like a fun ride.

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    I took up the rear for the first part, with the other sweeper behind me. After a bit I did jump ahead of a few riders so I could blast for a bit. But that was the last bit of the return side of the loop. I wasn't in a big hurry. Was hot as shit. And half our group had never ridden trails at night.

    There should be something in some of the segments I have where I let the fat bike get ahead so I could carry my desired momentum.

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    Xp3 is sitting at my local post office and will be delivered today!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Road View Post
    Xp3 is sitting at my local post office and will be delivered today!
    USPS tracking update shows mine arrived at a sorting facility in Phoenix 13 min. ago. Still needs to be sent to my local post office but shows delivery today also. Will make sure my XP2 battery is fully charged so I won't have to wait on that and should get to ride some with it tonight (weather permitting). Cat should be getting his too so I imagine there will be plenty of activity on this thread the next few days.
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    XP3 in the house! Initial reaction, Looks sweet. Gloworm or better quality. I have to get to work so no time for a long report. More on it when I get home. I will say that anyone planning to use this on the bars will want at least one wider optic. The lamp definitely has a good dedicated hot spot with the stock optics. Should have killer throw but I'll know more about that by the time I get home tonight.

    Two things I'm not sure I like; Beam tint not as warm as I'd like ( tint similar to Gemini Olympia ). Could be the U3 neutral white doesn't look as warm because it's so bright. I'll have to program a lower output to see how it looks compared to other lamps I have. Second, you have to hold the button down quite long to turn the lamp off. You hold, then it blinks about 2-3 times and then turns off. Damn, I like lamps that turn off real quick. ( Oh crap, I hear thunder outside. Suppose to rain today )

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    Ya they drop into flash mode before shutting off. I mentioned that on the XP series lights that putting the hidden flash after off would be better as flash mode wouldn't be often used by most. The flash mode is programmable though, has a 10% steady mode so at least it doesn't blink at you when you shut it off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigris99 View Post
    The flash mode is programmable though, has a 10% steady mode so at least it doesn't blink at you when you shut it off.

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    Didn't know that, going to get my XP2 and change that right now. Thanks!
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    First-impressions review

    Mine arrived today. My first impression is generally positive.

    Build:

    Claimed weights are almost dead-on. On my scale, this is what I see:

    12g Switch (claimed 12g)
    34g Helmet Mount (claimed 32g)
    45g Bar Mount (claimed 46g)
    113g Light Head (claimed 110g)
    306g Battery (claimed 296g)

    The light head and battery pack feel very solid. The mounts are some sort of shiny black plastic. You can flex them a bit in hand, but they're quite firm on the bike. The fit between the mount and the light head is stiff. Like my Cygolite, it takes care and finger strength to dismount the light without jerking the mount.

    Controls:

    Basic controls are simple enough. I'm still learning how to use and adjust the blinking modes. I'm not fond of the off sequence. It takes over four seconds, half of that inexplicably in a blink mode.

    Mounted:

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    The lower bar is a Minoura CS-500. Keeps things centered without a swivel.

    Beam Shots:

    Keyed to the brightest setting of the XP3. (f/7.1, ISO 400, 1/60, 5000K WB)

    Black Diamond Storm 2012, high (claimed 90 lumens)
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    Cygolite Metro 550, low
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    Cygolite Metro 550, high
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    Cygolite Metro 550, turbo (measured 600 lumens)
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    Ituo XP3, low default
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    Ituo XP3, med default
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    Ituo XP3, high default
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    Cygolite Metro 550 high vs. Ituo XP3, low default
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    Potential Improvements:

    * The off sequence, as above. It should be max 2 seconds hold to off.
    * The beam pattern. With this many lumens, I'd rather have more flood. As configured, it'd be better on a helmet than a bar.
    * The "low" setting isn't low enough for bike path use. I wasn't able to get it any lower than the factory defaults. Based on the Cygolite pattern, it appears to be putting out north of 300 lumens, not the 230 claimed. Hard to say.

    I haven't taken it out for a ride yet or tested thermal management and output consistency. Assuming it holds up in this hot Georgia weather, I'd recommend this light even with the quirks above.

    Tigris99, do you know which wide-angle lenses are compatible with this unit? Also, how did you program the blink modes? The method in the manual for the steady modes doesn't seem to affect them. (Double-click just returns you to the last steady mode.)

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    Good stuff alexdi! Beamshots look great. Get some ride video, and make me happy!
    Joking, I'm living vicariously thru yall til I get home to my xp3 Saturday..,

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    Actually should just be a double click ONCE IN the hidden flash mode.

    There should be a lower output mode in the hidden flash options.

    Also low is 10% iirc

    Optics are available on their website where you would have ordered the light.

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    Excellent, I just ordered both sets of replacement lenses. Very reasonable pricing. I'd have bought them from the get-go if I'd thought to look there.

    I may need a walkthrough on the programming. I'm doing a press-and-hold for two seconds. This enters the first blink mode. If I then double-click, I go back to sustained light. It doesn't appear to enter program mode.

    I'm also having trouble getting the remote to work. I'll run that one by Ituo. EDIT-- didn't have the connector pushed in hard enough.
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    Sun going down soon and bike and light are ready. Just going to run stock optics to give her a test run.
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    Sorry guys, I was wrong it's not a double click. It's simply go into the hidden mode (mode right before off) and select the mode you want.

    I forgot to check about the ultra low mode, but i question whether that's there or not on these. I know it is on the wiz20, assumed it was the same but I may be wrong.


    And btw, check the low mode, I think the preset is 20% so may be able to go one step lower. But remember this wasn't designed as an urban light(bike paths, streets etc), it's purpose is as a mountain bike light. Wiz20 is more suited for all around use as it has lower outputs available for such uses while having plenty to be a bar light on the trails.
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    It figures that I get a new light and as soon as I open the package it starts to rain outside. Then it continued to rain off and on all day. I did get a chance to shine it around some yesterday but of course under less than ideal conditions. Sadly when I tried to simulate the lamp as a helmet light ( by holding it at head height ) there was just too much rain/moisture in the air to be able to judge it's throw. Of course when I held it lower ( as on the bars ) I was getting better results and the lamp appears very impressive.

    I'm hoping tomorrow that the weather is more conducive for judging beam patterns. Sadly the weather forecast for the next 3 days is not promising. If I'm lucky perhaps I'll see only spot showers with a lot of dry periods. Those I can deal with. It's the rain that covers a whole area and hangs around all day is what I hate. Crossing my fingers and hoping for the best.

    I got a better chance to compare the beam tint when I got home last night. I'm still not sure but I think if the XP3 were to use at least one flood optic it might look almost as warm as the Gloworm X2 I have that is using NW emitters... ( My Gloworm has one flood optic ) , in which case I might decide the tint to be fine...jury still out on that though. I'm pretty sure though that it will look warmer with wider optics

    I do indeed like the beam pattern. With the stock spot optics I'm expecting exceptional throw. Thanks to Tigris for explaining how the programming works. The "off" sequencing is very similar to the Gloworms once you set the flash to "*steady/flash", ( *this is a steady mode with a periodic pulse ). I wish it would turn off faster because I've been spoiled by the "instant off" of the Gemini's ( not to mention the Gemini wireless remotes ). I guess I can live with it though...at least for a while.

    I ordered only the Wiz XP3 ( no battery ) so I thought I'd comment about that. The male connector on the XP3 lamp head includes a screw type sleeve behind the plug but surprisingly the connector works very well with my "round " Magicshine/Xeccon/Bikeray/Gemini type ( female ) connectors. Surprisingly the sleeve fits right over the top of the female plug and stays in place almost as though it was actually screwed on. Not as sleek looking as a normal connector but it works fine.

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    The tint on my wiz20 Is slightly cooler than my bt21. I noticed it when I was putting the spot optics in the bt21.

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    Very impressed after first ride with the XP3. Stock optics, bar mounted, presets @ 40/70/100% on my ASU-West loop (24mi., 30/50/20% surface streets/dirt canal banks/flat dirt trails). Slightly narrower than my preference but still adequate beam width for this ride, stock optics provided tons of (GW XS like) throw and should make a very nice setup for helmet use. Way more power than needed and ran lowest setting (40%) most of the time only switching to higher levels when I wanted to see what she would do. Can't wait to try some of the accessory optics I purchased with the light. This is the best performing light I've ever owned.

    Also ran the XP3 against my Gloworm XS with my light-meter.

    Lux Test @ 2 meters..................bounce................Cent er-beam (x100)

    Ituo XP3.....................................318....... ...................100

    GW XS........................................275..... ......................96


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    Nice looking light too.
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    Nice mole. Looks like Ituo is posting some great numbers. That mount looks stout!! Waitin on optics report, your 2 for 2 thus far! 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Road View Post
    Nice mole. Looks like Ituo is posting some great numbers. That mount looks stout!! Waitin on optics report, your 2 for 2 thus far! 
    It's a nice mount. GoPro interface swivels allowing horizontal adjustment (although I don't need it on this bike). Vancbiker makes nice stuff. I want to run both XP's through this weekend but next week I think I'll send my XP2 to him to use as a template so he'll be able to make custom fit mounts for the XP Ituo's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    It's a nice mount. GoPro interface swivels allowing horizontal adjustment (although I don't need it on this bike). Vancbiker makes nice stuff. I want to run both XP's through this weekend but next week I think I'll send my XP2 to him to use as a template so he'll be able to make custom fit mounts for the XP Ituo's.
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    I wish the stock Gopro mount on the XP3 were aluminum ( so an all aluminum mount could be used for optimum heat sinking to the bars. ) The ITUO mount looks like it's made of hard plastic. Nice bike MM BTW.

    So far no rain today. Just wish I didn't have to go to work.

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    No way I'd want heat sinking to my bars, I run carbon fiber and being the temps lights can see I can't see playing the odds that it's not going effect them. That's also why I like the plastic, something that will break long before damaging my bars in a crash. Full aluminum system if the light takes a hit, chances are I have to spend the money to replace my bars.

    That said, truth be told, aluminum system takes on very little heat so it takes a fair amount of time to have any effect but in a hot night running at higher modes the mounts do get hot. Which is why I stopped doing it. I'm already a big guy and even dh/fr bars I wonder how much abuse they'll take at my weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I wish the stock Gopro mount on the XP3 were aluminum ( so an all aluminum mount could be used for optimum heat sinking to the bars. ) The ITUO mount looks like it's made of hard plastic. Nice bike MM BTW.

    So far no rain today. Just wish I didn't have to go to work.
    When my mounts come in I'll post pictures. Haven't had a single heat issue with my XP2 so far and of course only 1 ride on the XP3 but good insurance for me. Also I'm dealing with the possibility of rain too (pattern Monsoon Storms) so I'm never sure if I can ride in the evenings plus don't what to get that shinny fat-bike muddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigris99 View Post
    I'm already a big guy and even dh/fr bars I wonder how much abuse they'll take at my weight.

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    Good thing you're smart enough to realize that. I've had too many others try to set up their bikes like mine only to experience reliability problems or worse because they weigh 100 lbs. more than I do ( it just doesn't work). So if I offer you a really nice set of light carbon wheels you know you probably did something to piss me off!
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    My bars are the ONLY carbon fiber part on my bikes. And that's cause of the vibration dampening against trail chatter. Takes a lot of shock out of my right wrist and elbow so I'm not in pain after long rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    It's a nice mount. GoPro interface swivels allowing horizontal adjustment (although I don't need it on this bike).
    I've sold a few to folks for their commuter bikes. They aim their beam a tiny bit to the right as well as down to minimize glare for oncoming traffic.
    GoPro adapters for bike lights http://www.pacifier.com/~kevinb/index.html

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    How does this compare in size to the GW xs?
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    Same size give or take a couple mm

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    I had some chances last night to do some shine-arounds while doing my job. No rain to deal with thankfully but still a lot of humidity and particulate matter hanging in the air. The Wiz XP3 looks like it's getting the job done. At the end of my work day I found a local trail head and quickly jumped out to do a quick shine-around. Whoa!, XP3 has some throw!..and some excellent spill, even with the spot optics. The XP3 really lights up the woods! I set the low mode to the lowest setting and it still has reach! I figure the low mode is still over 200 lumen. Can't wait to actually try it out on some trails. I've got a feeling though that the XP3 is going to take some juice once you crank it up to the higher output levels. Anyway, I've got to work Saturday but hopefully should get a good ride in on Sunday ( if it doesn't rain ).

    If all goes good after the initial run-through I might try to install a kill switch somewhere along the power cord. I just have to find a good momentary switch that will do the job. I can't see having my hand on my head pressing a button for more that 3 sec. just to turn the lamp off.

    @tigris and vanc; Not too many people running carbonfiber handlebars that I know of. Would be nice to have an aluminum Gopro mount to replace the little quick release adapter they have mounted on the lamp. Might not really be necessary though. All depends on how hot the lamp gets when on high

    Anyone have recommendations on some medium flood optics that will work with the XP3? If I put the P3 on the bars just one good flood optic should add to the spill without losing too much throw. I might be getting ahead of myself though. I might end up liking it just the way it is , bars or helmet. ( hummm...I might have an old Gloworm or BT21 flood optic that might work )

    Just had an interesting after-thought; Two Gemini Duos on the helmet Synced with one wireless remote....XP3 on the bars....now THAT would be Hellaciously BRIGHT! ....second after-thought; I wonder if it might be possible for ITUO to create a wireless ( BT ) receiver that plugs into the remote port?? Would that be cool?

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    Cat, Ituo sells the optics right on the website, it's posted a couple posts back lol . Their a couple bucks each. You can get the same optics from leddna but means you wait month or more to get them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigris99 View Post
    Cat, Ituo sells the optics right on the website, it's posted a couple posts back lol . Their a couple bucks each. You can get the same optics from leddna but means you wait month or more to get them.

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    Yeah, I remember someone saying they ordered from the website. ( wish I had thought about that when I ordered.. ) I tried to look it up again and got an older website and they weren't listing anything. I finally got the right website from the link on the first page of this thread. They have all the listings for the products but sadly it seems they are completely out of all of the flood type optics. Could be ITUO under estimated demand. Thanks.

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    You probably got the company website for Ituo instead of the US location website. Gets confusing on Google search.

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    Raining like a beast hope it clears up! Got a 6 cell all charged. Gotta deliver some malt beverage piss water, then homeward bound!

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    Provided the rain stays away I'm gonna try something different with optics. I gave 2 of the wide spot and put a 45deg in the center. Looks to still have all the throw I need and then some, but smooths the spill out a bit more. See how I like it as I like more spill/wider coverage on the lid.

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    Ituo Wiz XP3-image.jpgHoly ship this looks good! Got the 25d optics factory installed. Thx Keith! Very little size diff between the xp3/gloworm xs. Like a kid at Xmas!!

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    Rain was a b-itch today. Flash flooding all over the place. I might have to take a drive tomorrow to hill country if I want a ride. That's providing of course that more rain doesn't arrive tomorrow night and threaten to rain again on my parade. Good part is that at least I didn't lose out on a ride today because I had to work anyway. Crossing the fingers for Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigris99 View Post
    You probably got the company website for Ituo instead of the US location website. Gets confusing on Google search.
    Tidy little site:

    https://www.ituolights.com/collectio...ts-accessories

    I ordered the last Wiz20 package they had. I was going to order through Amazon, but Keith included a set of wide spot optics. Including some additional optics with the XP series would be a nice touch.

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    I have the 25d optics in, thinking I will install a flood optic in the middle channel. This xp3 is beast mode all the way. Short ride last nite, on the pathways. I think I blinded a couple fishermen. Oops sorry gents! The xp3 kit is well thought out and loving this light.

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    I just checked the local weather for today and the rest of the week...>

    Seems the monsoon season has arrived. If I get a ride tonight I'll be lucky. 3-5" in the last 72 hrs. depending on where I might choose to ride. Not looking good the rest of the week either....unless you're a duck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    I just checked the local weather for today and the rest of the week...>

    Seems the monsoon season has arrived. If I get a ride tonight I'll be lucky. 3-5" in the last 72 hrs. depending on where I might choose to ride. Not looking good the rest of the week either....unless you're a duck
    Play hooky from work jump on a plain,,,, i can show you all the trails around here, and there are no restrictions to night ride anywhere. Weather is sunny and not to hot.

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    I got lucky and had very good weather for the MMP group ride (200+ riders). Unfortunately my diabetes got the best of me last night and after 18 mi., 6 Gu packs, 1 cliff bar and 6 Keibler fudge striped cookies I finally had to stop and just sit for 30 min. just to let my blood sugar come up to normal levels. Decided at that point I didn't have enough food to complete the ride so my friend George and I took a side trail (Bluff) that would get us back to the car in 4 mi. From where we were Bluff is a constant 3-4% downhill grade of smooth/fast/flowy/open trail and while my medical problems eliminated any reliable impressions of the XP3-helmet(stock spots)/XP2-bar(45 degree floods) set-up I was running the final 4 mi. of clarity proved to be fun and enlightening. XP3 is a fantastic helmet light!!! Trail conditions allowed speeds in the 20's and running the XP3 @ 70% I wasn't even coming close to out running the light. It wasn't just the throw but the very wide spot provided allowed for excellent trail awareness. Wish I wasn't so F/U'd for most of the ride but I still had fun, especially those last 4 mi.
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    I've gutted out rides & hikes on an empty stomach and didn't enjoy it; having to consult a glucometer sounds far worse. Glad you made the safe call, and had a friend along, too. If you do much solo riding out of cell coverage and think that might be a recurring problem, a PLB or SEND unit might be worth having.

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    Glad ya made it back MRMOLE! Don't be scratching my nice fatbike. It's a beaut!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flat View Post
    I've gutted out rides & hikes on an empty stomach and didn't enjoy it; having to consult a glucometer sounds far worse. .
    It's amazing what can you get used to. Luckily it doesn't happen too often. Thanks for your concern.
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    I've got the XP3 set up on the helmet ready go. Not sure where I'll ride because by the time it gets dark something is bound to pop-up. A slight shower came through an hour ago. Not much precip. ( 0.02" ), just enough to make things damp. I might have to keep things local so I can bail out if a storm comes my way. No telling though what trail conditions I'll see with the two inches we got yesterday. Regardless, I's GOT TO RIDE!

    XP3 feels good on the lid. The button on the lamp is positioned perfectly for easy access ( if you're a righty ) Lefties might not be as pleased.

    The Gopro adjustment knob/slots is kind'a tight. I was thinking some lube could help. Any recommendations on what kind of lube to use. I don't want something that will eat the plastic parts of the Gopro mount.

    @MMole; I feel your pain. I've bonked terribly on some longer rides before. I can only imagine how bad a "diabetes induced" bonk can be ( not to mention how dangerous ). At least you weren't alone. When you're alone and bad stuff happens it can be REAL scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    I got lucky and had very good weather for the MMP group ride (200+ riders). Unfortunately my diabetes got the best of me last night and after 18 mi., 6 Gu packs, 1 cliff bar and 6 Keibler fudge striped cookies I finally had to stop and just sit for 30 min. just to let my blood sugar come up to normal levels. Decided at that point I didn't have enough food to complete the ride so my friend George and I took a side trail (Bluff) that would get us back to the car in 4 mi. From where we were Bluff is a constant 3-4% downhill grade of smooth/fast/flowy/open trail and while my medical problems eliminated any reliable impressions of the XP3-helmet(stock spots)/XP2-bar(45 degree floods) set-up I was running the final 4 mi. of clarity proved to be fun and enlightening. XP3 is a fantastic helmet light!!! Trail conditions allowed speeds in the 20's and running the XP3 @ 70% I wasn't even coming close to out running the light. It wasn't just the throw but the very wide spot provided allowed for excellent trail awareness. Wish I wasn't so F/U'd for most of the ride but I still had fun, especially those last 4 mi.
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    Anyone who has had a true bonk can maybe start to imagine what you must have gone through. Glad you made it out ok and enjoyed those last few miles. The XP3 is really sounding as good as eveyone had hoped.

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    Mine is ready on the lid.

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    Got a ride in tonight. Good news/Bad news. Good news is that the XP3 is an awesome light. My apologies for saying I didn't like the tint earlier. The tint seems fine once the beam gets some space to do it's thing. No complaints on tint. Beam pattern is perfect for helmet use. This could just very well be the most usable lamp I have but I'll wait till after I get some better rides in before I start saying anything like that.

    The Bad news; The trails near me are in dire straits right now. The storm system that came through my area a couple days ago did way more trail damage than I could have imagined. The damage was almost akin to what happens when a hurricane comes through the area. ( thankfully we don't get many of those ). Sections of trail completely washed out by the flash flooding. Stream crossings that used to be easily rideable are now unrideable. After just 10 minutes into the ride I decided to cut it short and go back to the car. Nope, going to be a while before I get to ride the local trails again. Hopefully the local bike clubs will get together to do some fixes. I can only imagine what my regular trail ride is going to look like the next time I see it since it has a lot of hills and a lot of places where water can wash/erode things to the point of creating massive gaps. Not going to help that it is calling for rain almost everyday next week. At least I did get a chance to see the XP3 in action on the trails but not the way that I wanted to ( and not for very long.. )

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    To anyone who has bar mounted the XP3,,,,,are there any issues with the wired remote length for those with wider bars??

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    No, was mentioned either earlier here or in the xp2 thread. There is plenty of reach on the switch wire for about any bar width.

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    Ok thanx tigris.

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    No problem, I should have mentioned it here (I can't find it here at all) too. That's one nice thing is I have 740mm bars and I could go a fair bit wider and have the wire still be long enough. I could almost see some that still run really narrow bars complaining about it because of the length.

    @ Cat:. Man sorry to hear about your trails, thats pretty bad. Somehow most of the bad stuff that gets to you seems to narrowly miss me. Usually by 50 miles to the north or south, then a day or 2 later you get it.

    Btw also seems they saw your mention of a discount for a bit longer. Price isnt as low as original preorder but still a pretty solid discount I think. And seems they extended it to the xp2 as well:
    https://www.ituolights.com/collections/mtb-light-kits




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    Last night, midfat instead of my cx bike (I spend way too much time on cx). Had to branch off into some tight single track. Used low/med. This xp3 kicks azz on the lid. Keeps a very low profile with the helmet mount (put mine as forward as possible for branch clearance). The team involved with the xp3 development should be proud of this light. It's my new favorite along with the mighty gloworm xs. A wash between the 2 in my opinion, both are super powerful and quality units.

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    To anyone who has bar mounted the XP3,,,,,are there any issues with the wired remote length for those with wider bars??
    Here's a picture I posted in the XP2 thread compared to a (long wire version) Gloworm.
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    It's very impressive how many things Ituo got right on these two new lights, clearly they have done research on what most of us look for in a good light, and to have executed it this well on their first production run,, wow!!

    A friend of mine works for Canada post, so i'm trying to get the inside scoop to whats happening with the pending strike. If there is a window of two weeks of safety, i may order these ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indebt View Post
    It's very impressive how many things Ituo got right on these two new lights, clearly they have done research on what most of us look for in a good light, and to have executed it this well on their first production run,, wow!!

    A friend of mine works for Canada post, so i'm trying to get the inside scoop to whats happening with the pending strike. If there is a window of two weeks of safety, i may order these ASAP.
    Can you do the border two-step and pick up one from the U.S. distributor?

    https://www.ituolights.com/collections/mtb-light-kits

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    Quote Originally Posted by flat View Post
    Can you do the border two-step and pick up one from the U.S. distributor?

    https://www.ituolights.com/collections/mtb-light-kits
    Of coarse anything is possible, but considering i live a five hour round trip just to get to the border and about $50 in gas, it's not at the top of my list as these four sets of lights are not for me.

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    Damn, I'm about to get a union job in the U.S. Just interviewed, hate the word strike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indebt View Post
    Of coarse anything is possible, but considering i live a five hour round trip just to get to the border and about $50 in gas, it's not at the top of my list as these four sets of lights are not for me.
    Oh well. Didn't know if you lived near the line.
    I'd avoid the southern border, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indebt View Post
    It's very impressive how many things Ituo got right on these two new lights, clearly they have done research on what most of us look for in a good light, and to have executed it this well on their first production run,, wow!!

    A friend of mine works for Canada post, so i'm trying to get the inside scoop to whats happening with the pending strike. If there is a window of two weeks of safety, i may order these ASAP.
    Will Ituo sell directly to us Canadians or do we have to go through the Canadian distributor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arc View Post
    Will Ituo sell directly to us Canadians or do we have to go through the Canadian distributor?
    I'm unaware of a Canadian distributor? I believe the only option is to order from Ituo US using USPS and then Canada post takes over from there.

    Yes there is a Canadian distributor K9 Outdoor Sports & Fat Bike Shop , but their website only shows Light & Motion.

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    The US location ships world wide I know that much (people were asking before about it, think in the wiz20 thread).

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    Quote Originally Posted by arc View Post
    Will Ituo sell directly to us Canadians or do we have to go through the Canadian distributor?
    Try contacting Keith - https://www.ituolights.com/pages/dealer

    My order shipped the next business day, so he appears to be on top of things. My guess is he'll have some ideas on how best to get lights to Canada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flat View Post
    Try contacting Keith - https://www.ituolights.com/pages/dealer

    My order shipped the next business day, so he appears to be on top of things. My guess is he'll have some ideas on how best to get lights to Canada.
    Just keep in mind that if not using USPS/Canada Post,,, and going the courier route your almost guarantied large duty fees and taxes on top of the exchange rate. Cost of the lights will be 50% higher when all is said and done. USPS/Canada Post not very often that i get stung.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indebt View Post
    I'm unaware of a Canadian distributor? I believe the only option is to order from Ituo US using USPS and then Canada post takes over from there.

    Yes there is a Canadian distributor K9 Outdoor Sports & Fat Bike Shop , but their website only shows Light & Motion.
    They had the Wiz 1 and 2 without batteries listed back in the spring, the price seemed pretty decent for this side of the border.

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    First good ride with the Wiz XP3

    The hardest thing I had to do tonight was to decided "where" to ride. With much of the local trail systems near me in disarray from the massive flash flood that occurred several days ago I didn't want to go out and end up doing a lot of hike-a-bike/portaging over debris strewn trails. Not wanting to ride the trail I usually ride on weekends, I decided ( with a late start ) to ride a trail near my usual trail that I hadn't rode in a number of years.

    Turns out it was a good choice. For one the hills were more moderate and there were long stretches of straight trail where I could really see how much distance throw the XP3 had.

    First thing I noticed was how well the Wiz XP3 was doing in combo with the Gloworm X2 ( NW ) that I have on my bars. The beam tints seem to match completely. Right now I have the XP3 low mode set on the lowest possible setting. It amazed me that even on the lowest possible mode the lamp is quite bright and provides good throw. The mid and high modes I let stand at the standard default settings. The trail I was riding while quite nice still had a lot of loose rock in places which meant I had to keep my speed in check. The fact that I hadn't ridden the trail in some years also meant that I had no idea what was going to be around every turn. The XP3 was getting the job of letting me know what was coming up done very well.

    Sadly and unexpectedly, midway into the ride I had to cut the ride short. Seems I had an unexpected visit from "The Dreaded Mid-ride *Super Bonk". In this case I think it was because my sleep patterns had gone awry which in turn caused my energy levels to take a sudden nose dive at a time when usually I'm full of "get-up-and-go". Also didn't help that I was getting a late start. Dang it I hate when stuff like that happens.

    As I was returning to the car I even had to walk up a hill ( on a paved road ) that I usually just pedal up without a problem. Very embarrassing. My fault for staying up so late the previous night I guess and not eating till I was almost ready to leave the house. Anyway, it had me worried for a moment but by the time I was halfway back to the car the "Super bonk" effect had faded to "basic bonk" and I returned without any more problems.

    (* to those who don't know what I mean by Super bonk; it's a bonk where you feel so tired you almost feel like you can't stand up. Very scary when you're alone back in the woods at night. )

    Well, the Super Bonk took the joy out of the ride but at least I got the ride in ( not to mention that the rain stayed away ). The XP3 continues to impress me. Only two things keep this from being the perfect lamp. I wish it had a "wireless" remote and second, I wish turning the lamp off was more easier/faster. The current, "press/hold for 3-4 seconds while the lamp flashes, is a PITA. Even the Gloworms, which I also complain about for the same reason are faster/easier to turn off. Whatever the makers of the Wiz do for next year they need to fix that issue ASAP. ( A simple, press/hold one sec ( no flashes ) should **instantly turn the lamp off...**like what the Gemini lamps do. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Only two things keep this from being the perfect lamp. I wish it had a "wireless" remote and second, I wish turning the lamp off was more easier/faster. The current, "press/hold for 3-4 seconds while the lamp flashes, is a PITA. [/U]. )[/I]
    Never used a wireless remote so I don't know what I'm missing but I'm sure I'd like it. Good thing you don't own a Wiz20 or you'd be even more irritated by the turn off procedure. Still press and hold but 1 sec. to dim (no flash) and 2 sec to total off. Hope your next ride is bonk free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    First thing I noticed was how well the Wiz XP3 was doing in combo with the Gloworm X2 ( NW ) that I have on my bars. The beam tints seem to match completely.
    I was happy to see that my Wiz20 and Light & Motion LEDs match well, too. I take that as another sign that Ituo is doing it right.

    Question about the Bonk & Super Bonk. Where do shaky hands fall between the two? I want to make sure I'm using the terms correctly.

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    Seems like Mother Nature has not been kind to those of us trying to get some mileage using our new XP3's. Monsoon Storms or the treat of a storm every night has kept me off the trails more than usual. Tonight was no different but predicted arrival not till approx. 2 am. so I thought I'd give it a try with a local Wednesday group night ride. 2 miles into the trail it started to sprinkle (approx. 8:30 pm.). Everyone else had driven to the trail head and decided to continue on, I had 17 mi. to go if I backtracked which is what I decided to do. Light rain till I got away from the mountains but luckily dry for the last 12 mi. home (I didn't appreciate the 20 mph headwind thought!). Guess I'll find out tomorrow how everyone else fared on the trails.

    So how did the XP3 do? This turned out to be a good reminder of how neutral-white emitters work. Not too impressed riding with the group and all those cool-white lights. When I backtracked by myself I could see so much better. This trail is a lot slower and snakes in and out of brush. XP3 worked just as effective as it did on the fast trails of its initial mountain outing. Lots of things for the light to reflect off of but not a problem with these emitters. I'm very satisfied so far. Look forward to more posts by other owners as they get more mileage with their XP3's.
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    Geez, you and Cat have been having quite the time dealing with weather and your body's failing you lately. I feel for both of you. Once again it's nice to hear just how much people are liking the neutral emitters. A couple years ago i thought ( who cares lol) light is light!! was i ever wrong. Listening to you guys and swapping over my led boards to 4900K tint was one of the best upgrades i have ever done. Even more important now as the ouputs of the good lights are very strong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indebt View Post
    Geez, you and Cat have been having quite the time dealing with weather and your body's failing you lately. I feel for both of you. Once again it's nice to hear just how much people are liking the neutral emitters. A couple years ago i thought ( who cares lol) light is light!! was i ever wrong. Listening to you guys and swapping over my led boards to 4900K tint was one of the best upgrades i have ever done. Even more important now as the ouputs of the good lights are very strong.
    Yep, and now it's my turn again for crappy weather. Yesterday was record heat. ( the heat index was near 113F ) Nevertheless I likely would have tried for a ride but I had an important errand to run. Today a thunderstorm hit the area just as the sun was setting. , otherwise I would of tried for a ride. Tomorrow could end up being the same. Even if it doesn't rain it will be as hot as the dickens. Actually I'm looking forward to the heat. I want to test out the vancbiker Gopro mount for my Duo but I'm also looking for a second chance to use the XP3.

    Once again I have a week off and the weather is looking like I'll be able to fry eggs on my car hood and then get it cleaned by Mother nature the same day ( for the entire week )...

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    Ya I feel you, was looking forward to some night riding this weekend but got too much rain Thursday night

    Sadly except for taking my son stomping around on his new fat bike (nothing special just a mongoose Logan) all my miles this week have been road... Feel like I'm cheating on my fat and my 29er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Yep, and now it's my turn again for crappy weather. Yesterday was record heat. ( the heat index was near 113F ) Nevertheless I likely would have tried for a ride but I had an important errand to run. Today a thunderstorm hit the area just as the sun was setting. , otherwise I would of tried for a ride. Tomorrow could end up being the same. Even if it doesn't rain it will be as hot as the dickens. Actually I'm looking forward to the heat. I want to test out the vancbiker Gopro mount for my Duo but I'm also looking for a second chance to use the XP3.

    Once again I have a week off and the weather is looking like I'll be able to fry eggs on my car hood and then get it cleaned by Mother nature the same day ( for the entire week )...
    Hopefully the weather works out and all you have to deal with is some heat and the down pour from the thunder storms is minimal. Getting dark a bit before 9pm now so some night rides are on my radar too (cant wait!!)

    Will be interesting to get your feedback on Vancbiker's heat sync. Cheers!!

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    I sure did have the crappy weather blues this week. Finally got my first ride of the week in today. ( Yea! ) XP3 continues to impress. The weather is finally a bit cooler but the humidity is still up in the 90% range. I thought about taking a chance for a ride last night but because the last rain was near 1" and less than 24hrs I decided to wait till the next day. Glad I did. The trail I rode was the same as the last time I rode and once again it was in pretty good shape. Thankfully no bonking. SuperCAt was back to his normal white knuckle/Bone-jarring/Claw-climbing self. Damn, days are getting shorter. Getting dark now around 8:00pm.

    I noticed tonight that the XP3 does get quite warm especially if you're using the high mode and not moving very fast. It's no "branding iron" but it does get hot. Then again I'm only using the high mode for minutes at a time. No problems though. The XP3 is working wonderfully as a helmet light.

    Once again really cool riding during a full moon. When I was leaving the trail head and riding back to the car, I noticed as I was riding down the road the moon was casting some very strong shadows from the trees I was passing. Suddenly out of nowhere from the past an old song I haven't heard in years hauntingly came into my mind. I sang a little of it as I made my way back to the car.

    Hoping for another ride tomorrow night. I'd like to ride some faster trails but to get those I have to travel. No rain in the forecast, just need to decide where to go.

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    XP3 ride ( continued from my Duo review thread )

    The second half of my ride tonight was with the XP3. Previously I had the Gemini Duo with vancbiker Gopro adaptor on the lid for it's first test. ( see my Duo review thread ). At the halfway point of the ride I stopped to not only switch lamps but to rest. Seems I was a little winded and beat-up from all the juking over all the ruts and storm debris from last weeks storm. Thankfully I pulled out my 1960's "Hercules Power Ring" hoping to get a boost of energy to get me though the night. Damn, I held it high in the air just like the cartoon Hercules of the 60's but sadly no lightning or thunder arrived to power the ring......curses, foiled again. ...no problem, I made due with a couple GU packs and that got me going again. ...Anyway...

    The moment I switched to the XP3 there was a remarkable difference in how much of the trail I was able to see. I'm not just talking output wise. Sure, the XP3 blows the duel emitter Duo out of the water with it's brighter output. That's pretty much expected. Nope, the difference in the warmer emitter tint of the XP3 makes almost as much difference as the added output. Together, they blow the Duo's away.

    Tonight was tough going because I was dealing with a lot of trail debris from last week's flash flood in the area I was riding. The Duo, while doing a pretty good job at distance was having problems giving me the trail details I needed to see when close up. The Duo emitters are still a bit too cool for my liking. ( I will at some point send it to ActionLED for the warmer retro-fit ).

    With the XP3 on the lid I had much more confidence to use more speed. When I hit the final downhill I used high all the way back to the trail head. Once again, I will reiterate, the XP3 does indeed get hot ( when used on high ). When I got to the trail head I reached up on the helmet to turn the lamp off. The lamp was hot enough to be uncomfortable to touch. Because the "off sequence" is a bit long you have to hold the button down more than a couple seconds. More than enough time to get your fingers burned if holding the lamp the wrong way**. Once I detected how hot it was I let go of the lamp and just used one finger to push the button down.

    Anyway, the throw of the XP3 continues to impress me. On the trail I shone the lamp out over a long open area and boy did it light things up. I have a feeling this will be my "go to" helmet lamp for quite a while.

    (**if using the remote you obviously don't have to worry about holding the lamp and getting burned. Using the remote on the XP3 is always an option )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    The second half of my ride tonight was with the XP3. Previously I had the Gemini Duo with vancbiker Gopro adaptor on the lid for it's first test. ( see my Duo review thread ). At the halfway point of the ride I stopped to not only switch lamps but to rest. Seems I was a little winded and beat-up from all the juking over all the ruts and storm debris from last weeks storm. Thankfully I pulled out my 1960's "Hercules Power Ring" hoping to get a boost of energy to get me though the night. Damn, I held it high in the air just like the cartoon Hercules of the 60's but sadly no lightning or thunder arrived to power the ring......curses, foiled again. ...no problem, I made due with a couple GU packs and that got me going again. ...Anyway...

    The moment I switched to the XP3 there was a remarkable difference in how much of the trail I was able to see. I'm not just talking output wise. Sure, the XP3 blows the duel emitter Duo out of the water with it's brighter output. That's pretty much expected. Nope, the difference in the warmer emitter tint of the XP3 makes almost as much difference as the added output. Together, they blow the Duo's away.

    Tonight was tough going because I was dealing with a lot of trail debris from last week's flash flood in the area I was riding. The Duo, while doing a pretty good job at distance was having problems giving me the trail details I needed to see when close up. The Duo emitters are still a bit too cool for my liking. ( I will at some point send it to ActionLED for the warmer retro-fit ).

    With the XP3 on the lid I had much more confidence to use more speed. When I hit the final downhill I used high all the way back to the trail head. Once again, I will reiterate, the XP3 does indeed get hot ( when used on high ). When I got to the trail head I reached up on the helmet to turn the lamp off. The lamp was hot enough to be uncomfortable to touch. Because the "off sequence" is a bit long you have to hold the button down more than a couple seconds. More than enough time to get your fingers burned if holding the lamp the wrong way**. Once I detected how hot it was I let go of the lamp and just used one finger to push the button down.

    Anyway, the throw of the XP3 continues to impress me. On the trail I shone the lamp out over a long open area and boy did it light things up. I have a feeling this will be my "go to" helmet lamp for quite a while.

    (**if using the remote you obviously don't have to worry about holding the lamp and getting burned. Using the remote on the XP3 is always an option )
    Power rings aside , are you using a bar light with the XP3?

    I know some people will always want more light, but from the reviews, it seems the output of a pair of XP3s may be reaching the limit WRT actual useful light. Does that seem to be true?

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    For me high on dual triples is too much. Floodier optics on the bar light makes it so much better. Well for me it's almost total flood. Very slight, large spot is noticeable on open ground.

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    Neat. I hope we see the market put more effort into efficiency, battery endurance, and features. I know there will always be a market for lights that can be seen from space, but having 2000 - 3000 lumens in a smaller/lighter package, with better controls, that will run for six hours sounds like a more useful goal.

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    Well those things are limited by LED and battery technology. Nothing to do with light manufactures. The run times can be achieved but the packs are huge.

    Other problem is the average user, stick it on high and leave it there from the time they get to the trail head till they get back. Which makes high lumen bit small heads impossible because people complain that a light steps down all the time then or the life of the light is reduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flat View Post
    Power rings aside , are you using a bar light with the XP3?

    I know some people will always want more light, but from the reviews, it seems the output of a pair of XP3s may be reaching the limit WRT actual useful light. Does that seem to be true?
    Well...depends on the opinion of the user. I'm satisfied with my Gloworm X2 ( with neutral white emitters ) on the bars. It's using one spot and one standard flood optic. It works very well in combo with the XP3 ( using three standard spots ) on the helmet. Anyway that is my "go to" bar light at the moment. By next year Gloworm and possibly ITUO will be offering lamps with "Wireless remotes". When that happens I will almost have to have a lamp with wireless remote for the helmet. I got spoiled using wireless remotes while testing the Gemini light sets.

    Anyway, if that happens the XP3 will likely end up replacing the GWX2 on the bars ( maybe ). Gloworm should end up with a wireless remote version of the XS and I might consider one of those for the helmet. I'm also hoping that ITUO will follow suit and go wireless remote as well with their new XP4. Never know though what might be announced and what new options will be available when the new season arrives.

    On a side note; I need to compare the Gemini Olympia to the XP3. I'll be doing that on my next ride. Wish that were tonight but rain is in the area. The storm is almost past and the rainfall was minimal....maybe if I see some drying...

    A second side note: the vancbiker Gopro adapter used on the Duo also seems to work on the Olympia...although on the Olympia there is not as much surface contact with the adapter as with the Duo. It will work though for the time being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigris99 View Post
    Well those things are limited by LED and battery technology. Nothing to do with light manufactures. The run times can be achieved but the packs are huge.

    Other problem is the average user, stick it on high and leave it there from the time they get to the trail head till they get back. Which makes high lumen bit small heads impossible because people complain that a light steps down all the time then or the life of the light is reduced.
    Sure. I know the technology has been the limiting factor to a certain extent.

    My point is that rather than seeing manufacturers trying to one-up each other on lumens, I hope they'll put more effort into producing more efficient lights. If so, heat issues could decrease, battery endurance could go up, and/or battery size could decrease. Those design goals seem more important to me than producing an affordable 8000 lumen light with the same heat and battery performance that's currently available.

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    That's the thing though, the efficiency your talking about is tech limited. 90%+ driver efficiency already exists in the better lights. Nothing more to gain there. It comes down the the LEDs now. The heat they generate, the wattage requirement per lumen etc is the limiting factor.

    Even the best of the best can't do more than 1-2% more efficient systems than we are starting to see with Ituo which has at least on the xp2, hit the max efficiency achievable for a driver at these price points. And that's only a few percent better than 2015 glowworm.

    The most efficient driver I've seen available has been ~93% avg across a battery cycle and those are expensive, custom drivers.

    So we are still waiting for a system that works better. Either lower wattage LEDs, some new electronics tech or the next best thing in rechargeable batteries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    ......A second side note: the vancbiker Gopro adapter used on the Duo also seems to work on the Olympia...although on the Olympia there is not as much surface contact with the adapter as with the Duo. It will work though for the time being.
    I want to warn future readers of this ^. There are two styles of Olympia housing. One will work with a Duo adapter, and the other will not due to there being a step in the mounting surface. I make a finned adapter modified to fit the stepped housing Olympia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigris99 View Post
    That's the thing though, the efficiency your talking about is tech limited. 90%+ driver efficiency already exists in the better lights. Nothing more to gain there. It comes down the the LEDs now. The heat they generate, the wattage requirement per lumen etc is the limiting factor.

    Even the best of the best can't do more than 1-2% more efficient systems than we are starting to see with Ituo which has at least on the xp2, hit the max efficiency achievable for a driver at these price points. And that's only a few percent better than 2015 glowworm.

    The most efficient driver I've seen available has been ~93% avg across a battery cycle and those are expensive, custom drivers.

    So we are still waiting for a system that works better. Either lower wattage LEDs, some new electronics tech or the next best thing in rechargeable batteries.
    I'm theorizing about future developments, not currently shipping products.

    I'm hoping that there will be less of a demand for even brighter lights with similar heat, weight, and battery characteristics of lights like the XP3. I'd rather see light output stabilize, with an emphasis on battery endurance, system weight, features, and cost. In the future.

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    I get where your going, here is what holds as constant:

    Lumens vs cost have improved leaps and bounds over the years.

    Batteries, better means higher costs. Either better batteries or trying to maximize driver efficiency.

    Features adds costs

    System weight is proportional to the requirements of the light design. Surface area is needed regardless. Batteries are a "fixed" weight. There is a small range of variation. 18650 cells maintain one rule right now, more capacity, the heavier the cell.

    Beam patterns have specific requirements. Optic diameter being the main one. So size is limited.

    BUT HERE IS SOMETHING YOU MIGHT LIKE:

    There is a way around some of this. As we have discussed on so many occasions here. More LEDs combined to create the same number of lumens is more efficient.

    Now my numbers aren't EXACT so don't take it as fact, it's JUST FOR EXAMPLE EXPLAINATION ONLY.

    1 xm-l2 to create 1000 lumens out the front (OTF after losses)= 3A drive current @ 3.0 volts. So 9 watts

    2 xm-l2 to create 1000 lumens mean 500 each OTF. But instead of requiring the same 9 watts, the power requirement is only 8 watts.

    Or the other way, 9 watts to a single xm-l2 = 1000 lumens, 9 watts to 2 xm-l2 = 1100 lumens. 9 watts to 3 xm-l2 = 1300 lumens.

    So you can increase runtime for the same lumen output number by increasing the number of emitters used. Also since the emitters are running more efficiently, less surface area for cooling is needed. So size and weight theoretically can be reduced to that of what the next lower count of emitters is.

    But you run into the beam pattern issue. Optic size is rather fixed. To create the throw people want, for the most part you can't go below a 20mm optic. But there is a exception to this, more later

    Trade off is price remains or slightly increases because of machining work and the extra emitter(s) used.

    Now that said, the optic "block" of size. This is where led tech is moving right now. More output from smaller die emitters. The smaller the emitter, the smaller the optic can be to create the same beam pattern. Output levels aren't able to match xm-l2 which is why you rarely see anything different.

    Now if the market demand mattering only about lumen number would chill out, then a whole new world can open up. Some riders will need the insane lumens like the xp3 and xp4 (don't be fooled by all these people that don't understand) the only need for that much output is areas where you can get up to really high speeds and have the open ground (think desert, mountains, downhill courses type open ground and speed). But the up side is these high max lumen lights will produce what most of use want for lumens with increased run time and sharp decrease in head temperatures.

    Other thing being the "better the product, the more people will pay" rules of economics. So people have no issues paying big bucks. And also the bragging rights of using said brands.

    Ituo is one that is trying to bridge the gap though. Quality and the rest of the list at more respectable pricing.

    Oh and I keep seeing mentions of wireless remotes, I was told a couple months ago they are working on it, but they are going at it carefully because they want to do something reliable but a bit different than we see normally. So probably won't see it till winter or so is my guess.

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    Flat

    I get where your going, here is what holds as constant:

    Lumens vs cost have improved leaps and bounds over the years.

    Batteries, better means higher costs. Either better batteries or trying to maximize driver efficiency.

    Features adds costs

    System weight is proportional to the requirements of the light design. Surface area is needed regardless. Batteries are a "fixed" weight. There is a small range of variation. 18650 cells maintain one rule right now, more capacity, the heavier the cell.

    Beam patterns have specific requirements. Optic diameter being the main one. So size is limited.

    BUT HERE IS SOMETHING YOU MIGHT LIKE:

    There is a way around some of this. As we have discussed on so many occasions here. More LEDs combined to create the same number of lumens is more efficient.

    Now my numbers aren't EXACT so don't take it as fact, it's JUST FOR EXAMPLE EXPLAINATION ONLY.

    1 xm-l2 to create 1000 lumens out the front (OTF after losses)= 3A drive current @ 3.0 volts. So 9 watts

    2 xm-l2 to create 1000 lumens mean 500 each OTF. But instead of requiring the same 9 watts, the power requirement is only 8 watts.

    Or the other way, 9 watts to a single xm-l2 = 1000 lumens, 9 watts to 2 xm-l2 = 1100 lumens. 9 watts to 3 xm-l2 = 1300 lumens.

    So you can increase runtime for the same lumen output number by increasing the number of emitters used. Also since the emitters are running more efficiently, less surface area for cooling is needed. So size and weight theoretically can be reduced to that of what the next lower count of emitters is.

    But you run into the beam pattern issue. Optic size is rather fixed. To create the throw people want, for the most part you can't go below a 20mm optic. But there is a exception to this, more later

    Trade off is price remains or slightly increases because of machining work and the extra emitter(s) used.

    Now that said, the optic "block" of size. This is where led tech is moving right now. More output from smaller die emitters. The smaller the emitter, the smaller the optic can be to create the same beam pattern. Output levels aren't able to match xm-l2 which is why you rarely see anything different.

    Now if the market demand mattering only about lumen number would chill out, then a whole new world can open up. Some riders will need the insane lumens like the xp3 and xp4 (don't be fooled by all these people that don't understand) the only need for that much output is areas where you can get up to really high speeds and have the open ground (think desert, mountains, downhill courses type open ground and speed). But the up side is these high max lumen lights will produce what most of use want for lumens with increased run time and sharp decrease in head temperatures.

    Other thing being the "better the product, the more people will pay" rules of economics. So people have no issues paying big bucks. And also the bragging rights of using said brands.

    Ituo is one that is trying to bridge the gap though. Quality and the rest of the list at more respectable pricing.

    Oh and I keep seeing mentions of wireless remotes, I was told a couple months ago they are working on it, but they are going at it carefully because they want to do something reliable but a bit different than we see normally. So probably won't see it till winter or so is my guess.
    Thanks for the State of the Market Report.

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    Ya was long winded, but I spend so much time learning about these lights and sorting out why they cost so much, figured I'd share that and the "limitations" faced when making a light.

    I've made one prototype myself with another FINALLY in the works. Had all the electronics laying here for months, havent touched the projects though. Since I don't have a proper mill or CNC, I use a drill press that I modded for the job and my Dremel. Not the cleanest looking when finished but played with some odd design ideas. Biggest one now is trying to get my preferred lumens and beam pattern (thankfully I'm not all about laser beam lvl throw) while making the head as small as possible. So XP-L HI with ledil optics. Triple for that then a quad Nichia 219c set up with Carclo 10mm class optics. Whenever I get time to work on then again

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    OK played with this light first on the lid with my xp2 then on the bars (changed optics) with xp4 on the lid.

    Xp3 for helmet light all the way. Though I think dual isn't overkill at all. Only because programming down the modes to what you like has the lights running much more efficiently to generate the same lumens as is max in smaller lights.

    I knew more LEDs to produce a set amount of lumens was better but this just confirms it. A dual set up will yield better run times to run at 1500 lumens each than doing it with a couple dual emitter lights.

    But also why I like my xp2 on the bars, don't like a lot of output there. I like it on the lid. Bar light covers in close and adds spill.

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    Liking NF BT70 on Bars and XP3 helm.

    @tigris99 does XP4 provide better throw and lumens than BT70? curious.



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    Got these Vancbiker GoPro mounts in the mail today. Haven't ridden with them yet but should have plenty of opportunities with the next 6 days off work.

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    11 degrees cooler, that's the difference the mount made in a fan cooled indoor test. Actually with the stock mounts the thermal protection kicked in around the 5 min. mark (small decreases in temp. and output were the clue). Running these tests in a lower ambient temp. would likely yield a greater temp spread. With the additional mass and cooling surface area the mount adds light-head temp stabilized below 125 degrees and maintained steady output. Need to test it on a ride but looks promising.
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    I'm in for one definitely. Cooler running, and low pro. Nice work.

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    That is definitely a nice setup with Vancbiker's mount MRMOLE . I think it's crazy how well they work though, it makes me think that the design of the lighthead isn't quite good enough. An 11 degree drop is pretty big in my opinion. Just having a couple of fins in the direction of the wind must make all the difference.

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    Well we see this with most light heads. Any light as long as it's within its designed operating temps is fine. LEDs themselves are meant to run 10000 hrs at 85C. ALOT hotter than these light heads ever see.

    Doesn't matter the light, the more surface area you add, the cooler it's going to run. The trick is having enough surface area while keeping the size and weight low.

    Mole does have the hard core temperature testing though as he sees higher temps than pretty much any of us. So the benefits he's sees from every little bit are greater than like what I would see.

    As you said, adding fins in the direction of air flow will have greater results than cross air flow. Inline fin design is more difficult to achieve though just do to space limitations. I can bet in time we will see lights that have fins going in the direction of air flow to allow the higher outputs to come out of lighter, maybe even smaller light heads.

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    Got to do a "hard-core" temp. test ride last night of the XP3 w/Vancbiker mount. Learned the previous night that the mount works slightly better in the higher LoPro position (better airflow). Nice ride that included a 2+ mi. canal section where I could run 20,000 lumens and not offend anyone. By the end of that section the light had dimmed noticeably (20% est.) so the estimated 100 degree ride temp was enough for the thermal protection to notice even with the vancbiker mount. Very acceptable results considering I noted that the XP3 would activate its thermal protection @ about 130 degrees from the previous nights indoor bench testing. The only light I could say for sure I own that would handle the heat better are the XP2 and my hot weather champ Wiz20. I have a few other lights that may not be effected in these conditions but they all produce a lot fewer lumens and have thermal protection thresholds set @ 150 degrees (case temp.). As usual for the usefulness of the vancbiker mounts with this light.
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    If your handlebar is made of metal, then your entire bike would act like a heat sink. That might be as significant of an effect as the air moving over the fins in order cool the light.

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    Now seeing that mount from Vanc, I want one.

    Thanks for the update Mole!

    I got a sweet ride in tonight. Did realize that the 25deg optics (all 3 installed) was a bit much for me. The trails I got to add to my options (and I'll be riding the hell out of, it's may favorite trails set these days) I need a bit more punch if I'm going to ride with a light like the xp4. Going to try xp2 on the bars next round see if things balance out better where I like them.

    I'm definitely glad I went this light for my helmet now though, works better for me that way. More output on the lid is just nice lol.

    I'll share some video when I get back from Missouri next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigris99 View Post
    Now seeing that mount from Vanc, I want one.

    Thanks for the update Mole!

    I got a sweet ride in tonight. Did realize that the 25deg optics (all 3 installed) was a bit much for me. The trails I got to add to my options (and I'll be riding the hell out of, it's may favorite trails set these days) I need a bit more punch if I'm going to ride with a light like the xp4. Going to try xp2 on the bars next round see if things balance out better where I like them.

    I'm definitely glad I went this light for my helmet now though, works better for me that way. More output on the lid is just nice lol.

    I'll share some video when I get back from Missouri next week.

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    The more I night-ride the more I realize the perfect light setup depends on what trail I'm riding on. So far though the XP3 seem to be my favorite helmet unit no matter where I've taken it (Love this light).
    Look forward to the new video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluesaint View Post
    Liking NF BT70 on Bars and XP3 helm.

    @tigris99 does XP4 provide better throw and lumens than BT70? curious.



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    I'm curious about this too. So far I think my BT70 is my favorite match as a bar light used with the XP3 on the helmet. I have the lower power model BT70 though (unfortunately I think Tigris does too) but still would like his (Tigris) opinion on this.
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    Xp4 is defiantly better. Good bit more throw and substantially more lumens.

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    I like that full vanc setup. Would eliminate the Ituo mount completely. Looks pricey tho.

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    The ituo mount is a bit different to deal with but I like it because it's quick on/off the bike. Though I use the qr lever itself when I need to adjust aim, when mounting I use the finger nut. Probably use some improvements there but we'll see how it goes with updates. I did notice how it can mount at an angle but if you think about it, not a bad idea for those with funky bars (if it was intentional).

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    To put things in perspective the issues with the mount stand out because the rest of the light is sooo good. For most lights sold I would consider this mount an upgrade (Gloworm is the major exception). Now that this has been brought to Ituo's attention I'm sure they will react by giving us an improved mount with less shortcomings!
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    Man that bt70 is freakin huge.... It has to outweigh a wiz20 with batteries!

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    No its not THAT heavy lol. It's a beast though for how little lumens it puts out.

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    Glad I found these threads. Just pulled the trigger on an XP2 and XP3 set. I've been through the fiasco with the magic shines. Had the origninals, then replaced the heads with Magic shine light heads that look exactly like the BT40s. Just found the colour to be horrible for me. Everything looks like shades of grey, with not much throw. So can't wait to get the Ituos.
    May use the XP3 on helmet and XP2 on bar. Or let my son use the XP2 on his bar and each use the Magic shines on the bars.

    I also found that the batteries (Panasonic recall replacements from Geomangear) haven't had great run times. Maybe 1.5 hrs switching between med and high. But measured voltage from Magic shine chargers at around 10 volts. So not sure if they are permanently damaged?? I won't be using those chargers again.
    Will the Ituo chargers work with those batteries? Pretty sure they are 4 cells, 8.4v.

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    Another XP3 ride

    Last night I did another ride with the XP3. This time I took the Gemini Olympia-R along so I could do some comparisons. The trail I rode was the one I mentioned before that had had major storm damage. I found out last week ( from the local MTB club ) that there were trails around the damaged areas so I decided to return there to check it all out.

    I started the ride with the Olympia on the helmet ( gloworm X2 "neutral white" on bars as usual ). After about 30 minutes of riding through some previously unknown trails I switched over to the XP3. I really missed the wireless remote of the Olympia but other than that the XP3 certainly had the more useful beam pattern ( helmet set-up ...all spot optics ) . Even when just on low, the XP3 has some very useful throw. The beam pattern of the XP3 certainly compliments the GWX2 quite nicely.

    Turned out to be a really nice ride. I explored a couple new trails thanks to my GPS app ( thank you OpenstreetCycle map ) which turned out to make my usual ride a little longer. I even got in the extra downhill trail which I had been putting off due to the storms. That trail is known for a lot of technical sections so the XP3 / GWX2 combo got a good workout while moving at speed.

    It also turned out to be one of those rides where I was banging on all cylinders. I guess a lot of that had to do with the temps being near 70F or lower. Once again I finished off the final downhill section in stellar manner with the XP3 giving all the advance warning of obstacles that I needed. I was hoping a train would come by again ( on the other side of the river ) but sadly that didn't happen. I did however clear the technical rock section at the bottom even though one foot came out of a cleat right in the middle of it all. All in all, a good ride. The XP3 continues to impress me. If ITUO comes out with a wireless remote for this lamp I will be on one of those REAL quick.

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    Wireless would be killer! Good report CMD. Mine is waitin on the vanc mount as soon as available.

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    I know their working on a wireless system but they want to get it right the first time. Will probably be next year sometime before I even see a test unit. But would require a new light, wireless isn't a "plug and play" system sadly. It's a completely separate electronics system.

    Cat, if you pull the duo apart (just take the screws out so you can pop the back cover off) youll see a secondary board with the components for wireless signal reception. That board only has connections to the driver for power, ground, and signal. In a simple sense all it does is replicate the action of the on head button. But little more to it when you add a dual button system for the "flash" mode of the second button.

    This is why you end up with wireless remotes that activate programming modes and such. Too keep it simple. More simple (aka only acting the same as the on head button) means less to go wrong. Just like the removable wired remote we have now. It's simply in parallel with the on head button, nothing more than a second button right inline to allow the exact same functions.

    As for why ituo is planning right now I can't get into. But it's something different (sorry no blue tooth to your phone bs). I personally like the idea. Once I see a test unit (and probably just driver assemblies to put in my current lights) I'll post up so we can all discuss just as Ituo prefers to do. Ask all of us what we think and go from there.

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    @tigris; Do you know the exact emitter/bin that ITUO is using in the XP3? Whatever it is I want to know so I know what to ask for if dealing with other companies.

    On a side note: Next time out I'll likely compare the XP3 to the SStorm"****"...duh...I forget what it was called now...
    This is the quad version of the SStorm with neutral white emitters. Not exactly apples to oranges but both should do really well in a head to head comparison.. I just hope I can get the Gopro adapter I have to work on the SStorm. If I can't I won't bother. I don't feel like taking off and installing a whole helmet mounting system while on a ride. With the Gopros all you do is change the head which is super great.
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    The next ride

    Ah, I remember now. Solarstorm XT40!. Anyway, I got the vanc Gopro mount I have to fit onto the XT40. Not a perfect fit for thermal contact right now but at the moment I just want it to work with the Gopro helmet mount.

    Not sure I'll go out tonight. Slept late and been screwing around all day.
    Damn, never enough time to do everything you want to do. FWIW, I've been comparing the XT40 output/tint to the XP3 while shining them around inside the home. Tint is about the same. Output wise I'm rather shocked. I figured the XT40 had an advantage since it has an extra emitter. Nope, XP3 blows it away. It was so obvious that I don't even need to do a lux test. I still want to compare them on a ride though. The SStorm XT40 has a slightly tighter beam pattern. I need to see how that translates when riding. Both though are great as helmet lamps. Sadly, I don't think you can buy the XT40 anymore ( 4 reflector set-up )...hmmm..Gearbest might still have it. (?)...nope, not on Gearbest either.

    Still on the fence on whether to go out tonight for a ride...damn, hungry right now, need some grub.

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    Cat: XM-L2 U3 3D. Only warmer tint (below 2 range) available in U3. Tint is ever so slightly warmer than our well known U2 3C which is probably why you like it. It's also a matter of the optics too. One brand of optic will make the light look slightly whiter or slightly warmer vs another.

    I did expect the xt40 to be a bit warmer due to non-AR lens and reflector vs optics of xp3.

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    XP3 X BT21 for helmet

    Quote Originally Posted by tigris99 View Post
    Cat: XM-L2 U3 3D. Only warmer tint (below 2 range) available in U3. Tint is ever so slightly warmer than our well known U2 3C which is probably why you like it. It's also a matter of the optics too. One brand of optic will make the light look slightly whiter or slightly warmer vs another.

    I did expect the xt40 to be a bit warmer due to non-AR lens and reflector vs optics of xp3.

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    I current using a BT21 on Helmets , it is worth to change it for a Ituo XP3??

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    Quote Originally Posted by mentawais View Post
    I current using a BT21 on Helmets , it is worth to change it for a Ituo XP3??
    is XP3 light head compatible with 2 cell battery?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mentawais View Post
    I current using a BT21 on Helmets , it is worth to change it for a Ituo XP3??
    Depends on how much light you think you need. I can get by with just a single emitter lamp on the helmet if I want to but I much prefer having more light. I suppose it depends on the type of trails you are riding. If you're riding smooth, groomed, fast trails with lots of turns any lamp will do. On the other hand if you're riding in rough terrain with lots of ruts, wide turns, loose rock or multiple obstacles at any one moment, then having a lot of light coming off the helmet can be a big help.

    I wondered myself how the XP3 would work with a two-cell. I wouldn't think it a problem if using the low and medium setting but the high is certain to draw a lot of juice. If you're into high mode the XP3 would drain a two cell battery really fast. That's assuming of course that the 2-cell you're using can handle the current draw of the XP3 on high and not have the protection circuit cut off the juice.

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    The 2 cell he listed will work, it's what Ive been using this entire time. Well my 2 cell is the Fenix case with the same cells used in that pack. That pack is specced for more current than the xp3 will draw so it'll be fine.

    Cannot run it on high full time, will suck the battery down too fast. Running on medium except the really fast sections I get over an hour no problem. If for some reason I'm going to be out longer I have my hydropack anyway so I can put the 4 cell in the upper pocket and good to go. It's what I did for testing the xp4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mentawais View Post
    I current using a BT21 on Helmets , it is worth to change it for a Ituo XP3??
    What optics are in your BT21? Stock optics in that light are inefficient and hold back its performance, especially throw. That being said, even with the best performing optics in your BT21 individual emitter performance is only about equal to the XP3 so your looking at 50% more light produced by the Ituo light. That's a large very noticeable performance increase using the XP3. If this sounds like what your looking for then it's worth it, ultimately up to you to decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    Got to do a "hard-core" temp. test ride last night of the XP3 w/Vancbiker mount. Learned the previous night that the mount works slightly better in the higher LoPro position (better airflow). Nice ride that included a 2+ mi. canal section where I could run 20,000 lumens and not offend anyone. By the end of that section the light had dimmed noticeably (20% est.) so the estimated 100 degree ride temp was enough for the thermal protection to notice even with the vancbiker mount. Very acceptable results considering I noted that the XP3 would activate its thermal protection @ about 130 degrees from the previous nights indoor bench testing. The only light I could say for sure I own that would handle the heat better are the XP2 and my hot weather champ Wiz20. I have a few other lights that may not be effected in these conditions but they all produce a lot fewer lumens and have thermal protection thresholds set @ 150 degrees (case temp.). As usual for the usefulness of the vancbiker mounts with this light.
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    Where can you purchase this mount system and what is the cost? Also, how much does it weigh? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooks04 View Post
    Where can you purchase this mount system and what is the cost? Also, how much does it weigh? Thanks!
    GoPro adapters for bike lights

    There's a link for you. Vancbiker is on vacation right now but may be back tomorrow (9/7). These mounts are "Fit" prototypes so He's waiting on my OK but mounts fit both my XP2 & 3 perfectly. I'll PM him tomorrow that they're good to go. You'll also have to check with him on pricing and delivery. Finned light mount: 15g, swivel bar nount:31g
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Road View Post
    I'm in for one definitely. Cooler running, and low pro. Nice work.
    PM'd Vancbiker yesterday with the fit "OK". Did you order your mount yet?
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    Monday I'm going for the vanc mount. Might grab a bt21 mount as well. My Gearbest/deals machine mount disappeared somehow....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MRMOLE View Post
    PM'd Vancbiker yesterday with the fit "OK". Did you order your mount yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirt Road View Post
    Monday I'm going for the vanc mount. Might grab a bt21 mount as well. My Gearbest/deals machine mount disappeared somehow....
    I'll be running a production batch within a week. Gotta catch up on some other work first. I'll start a new thread when production Ituo XP adapters are ready.
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    My Ituo WIZ-XP3 LED Mountain Bike Light and Wiz20 USB LED Bike Light just arrived. Cant wait to try them out!
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    Maybe some of you can answer some questions about this light for me. Currently I use a Yinding 900 with spot optics and BT40S.

    1) Will this be a noticeable improvement over the Yinding 900?

    2) Would it be better to just buy two Yinding 900 lights instead of one of these?

    3) Does this light work best in 3 spot optics, and use a BT40S for close up light?

    4) Is the BT40S better than this XP3 for close up light if using best optics for close up light on XP3?

    5) I'm looking for even more light output than my Yinding 900 and BT40S,
    Would you consider this the best value light to get more light on the trail?

    6) Is this light too heavy or on the heavy side for a bicycle helmet mount, and better off using a lighter light like the Yinding 900?

    Thanks

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    I have mine out now. It kills all my lights, except the gloworm xs (best light I have). It's a beast. It can do it all, and it's remarkably small. Best buy category winner. But you have a decent setup with the "ding" and the bt40. $200 is chump change, but not to me. If you bought one, you would be happy. Good after sales support as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speeder500 View Post
    Maybe some of you can answer some questions about this light for me. Currently I use a Yinding 900 with spot optics and BT40S.

    1) Will this be a noticeable improvement over the Yinding 900?

    2) Would it be better to just buy two Yinding 900 lights instead of one of these?

    3) Does this light work best in 3 spot optics, and use a BT40S for close up light?

    4) Is the BT40S better than this XP3 for close up light if using best optics for close up light on XP3?

    5) I'm looking for even more light output than my Yinding 900 and BT40S,
    Would you consider this the best value light to get more light on the trail?

    6) Is this light too heavy or on the heavy side for a bicycle helmet mount, and better off using a lighter light like the Yinding 900?

    Thanks
    If you run the BT40S on the bars and the XP3 ( comes standard with all spot optics ) on the helmet, you will have a complete dialed in "neutral white" set-up that will be a noticeable improvement over the combo using the yinding. Also the XP3 comes with GoPro helmet mount which is superior to standard O-ring mount set-ups. Only downside to using the XP3 on the helmet is that the lamp takes more than 3 seconds to turn off. This is only difficult though if you are moving ( think one hand on head for >3sec. ) If you want the next level of visual acuity while riding trails at night using the XP3 will help get you there. With XP3 you are getting great bang for the buck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speeder500 View Post
    Maybe some of you can answer some questions about this light for me. Currently I use a Yinding 900 with spot optics and BT40S.

    1) Will this be a noticeable improvement over the Yinding 900?

    2) Would it be better to just buy two Yinding 900 lights instead of one of these?

    3) Does this light work best in 3 spot optics, and use a BT40S for close up light?

    4) Is the BT40S better than this XP3 for close up light if using best optics for close up light on XP3?

    5) I'm looking for even more light output than my Yinding 900 and BT40S,
    Would you consider this the best value light to get more light on the trail?

    6) Is this light too heavy or on the heavy side for a bicycle helmet mount, and better off using a lighter light like the Yinding 900?

    Thanks
    Question #1): Absolutely better! Over 2 times the light produced measured with my light-meter. One of the main things for me comparing these 2 lights is the mode button. XP3's top mounted button is very easy to use and accurate (reliable mode change every time) vs. the back mounted Yinding button which is the worst functioning of any light I've ever used.

    2): No.

    3): Stock spot optics are perfect for me (helmet use) and the way I would use it with a BT40s on the bars.

    4): No, XP3 is better with correct optics. You can change optics to produce a similar beam pattern to the BT40s but with all the XP3's additional power you would have a wider beam, lots more throw and considerably brighter. Using max. power settings may not be the best way to use this light on the bars but it is easily adjusted to the perfect amount of light needed compared to only preset modes on the BT40s. Remote switch is very nice for bar use too. Keeps your hands on the bars.

    5): At this moment yes. Hard to predict how much light another person really needs. My suggestion is you get an XP3 and try it with your BT40s first. If you still want/need more light 2 XP3s would work great together and you can purchase a second one later.

    6): My skinny little neck has no problems with the XP3 on my helmet. Did 30 mi. all off road last night and didn't notice the weight at all.

    The last 3 light purchases I've made have been Ituo products (Wiz20. XP2, XP3). I've been very impressed with the quality and performance of all these lights and been very happy with each purchase and I'm sure you would be too.
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    I've been using mine as my helmet light for a couple months with a 2 cell pack on my helmet too. And I am weenie about weight on my helmet. 4 cell or a big light and my neck hurts half way into a ride. This light I can ride for over an hour with 2 cell on the lid without even noticing.

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    After last nights ride I'll never refer the max. power on the XP3 as overkill again. Last half of the 16 mi. loop is all down hill, pretty twisty at the top but opens up to smooth, flowy, fast section to finish off the ride. My riding buddy is a faster decender than I am but if I stay on his tail I can use his lights to give advance warning of turns and trail irregularities and it compensates for his greater skill. If he gaps me a little usually its all over and I have to slow down. Stayed with him in the twisty sections but he had gotten about 75 yards ahead once it opened up and I figured it was over staying with him. Usually run the XP3 (helmet mounted) @ 70% but decided it wouldn't hurt to kick it up to max. Surprised myself and caught right up. Lesson learned. As I've said before, "I love this light"!
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    Nice Mole! The right lights definitely help. For me my fat bike did a lot for me last night. Won't get into the long version but spent the weekend camping next to my favorite and second closest trails etc. Wake up looking out over the river, look the opposite direction and see the hills and bluff the trails are on. When we came in to pick a campsite I drove first the the back tent sites the the river side tent sites.

    At the end of the road the last site I saw mountain and road bikes, talked to the couple staying there, said to take the site next to them. He was a rider out of Chicago area, racer and so on. Gf was a roadie who's now been corrupted and adding trail riding too now lol. Saturday I took him and my son out to ride a lap. Ended up never letting go my 29er out this weekend, I took all 3 bikes bit only rode my road bike a little and rest on the fatty. He enjoyed the ride a lot, liked the trails a lot.

    After we get back, he goes out for another lap he and his gf borrowed mine and my sons fat bikes (his gf is tiny) and go do the south loop. Hence corrupting her now. He's considering a fat bike now too lol.

    Earlier is just conversation I had mentioned night riding. He was open to it but no lights. Of course I brought spares. He didn't seem overly into it beyond the fun of another lap with a new riding buddy.

    Then I put the xp4 on his bars (I went my xp3 lid 2 bars combo). His eyes lit up.

    We hit the trails. Thankfully this time he wasn't so confident and fast. So I was able to hang without issue till the downs. Oh and he was being chill about the climbs. Fat bike, low gearing, almost no sleep the night before....I was slow but cleared them. Once climbs were over my new found confidence of riding my fatty I was able to either keep up or have enough speed when he was following to keep him having fun too. Each half of the lap is a long climb up, fast flow in a loop up top with a mix of minor tech of all sorts then a bit techy but fast descent. Go to other half of the set and climb up and same type of trail with another fast but minorly techy descent.

    Now he wants to get into to night riding. He's not a fan of big brand lights. High output is insanely priced and he enjoyed the NW tint of my lights.

    So made great new friends (though a couple hours away normally) that are awesome people and was able to show someone how much fun night riding really is when you get away from the cheap crap and overpriced branded stuff that's all cool white tints and not much on output. Add that with a couple new PR'S (white night riding on my fat bike which I couldn't believe) both in total lap time and the upper loops. Not to mention felt great to be able to keep someone that's way faster entertained. Always hated dragging people down a lot.

    Fat bikes and my ituo lights have opened up a whole new level of happiness and speed this weekend.

    I'm actually considering selling, my 29er and my fat bike so I can get a new fatty that will except plus forks. B+ hardtail summer, rigid fat winter. Or a small fat with Sus forks (3.8 tires ish) for summer and rigid fat with 4.7 in front at least for snow.


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    Had a good ride last nite with the xp3 on the lid/ wiz20 on the bars. My new KD 2cell pack was on point running on low/med and about 5min on high. With temps in the 50s was an awesome ride. Had 1-1/2hrs of pushing speed more, I ride faster (still slow) in colder months, last night was perfect. Xp3 is a really good helmet light. This will be my winter setup, but will use the 4 cell stuffed in my jacket. Wiz20 should be good to go as is.

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