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    Introducing Gloworm X2 - New Dual XM-L LED light system

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    My name is Vag (Vaggelis) coming from Greece and together with Bruce from Gloworm Performance Products ( formely Gloworm Lites) in New Zealand we have been working since last August in order to design from scratch and produce with the highest standards a new Bike Light. We call our initiative Gloworm Manufacturing and we are more than proud to introduce to you our latest project.....

    Its name is Gloworm X2 and it is a dual XM-L that produces 1200 lumens. We have finished testing and we are about to launch the X2 just before New Year.

    Presale will start pretty soon and more information will be posted here.

    Take a close look at our teaser photo and focus on the size/ lumen rate.
    Also you can read a small review of our light here. We showed our first (not-anodized) prototype at "on your Bike Expo" in New Zealand. Feel free to check the link following for first impressions of riders who saw it live.

    On Your Bike – Day 2 | Spoke Magazine

    Please treat this post as a soft opening. More and more information and details (including beamshots) will be available soon.

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    Hey Vag, it's been a while,(hopefully the same Vag). Your X-2 looks like a slightly bigger and brighter version of the Piko. Your 1200 lumen claim, is this a claim that will be supported in the real world, as opposed to say, 850 true lumens after losses? The piko is limited due to it's size, but looks like your design will allow the Xm-L's to be driven a little harder. Do you have the output settings figured out yet? Anyway, looks good!!! Cheers!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by indebt View Post
    Hey Vag, it's been a while,(hopefully the same Vag). Your X-2 looks like a slightly bigger and brighter version of the Piko. Your 1200 lumen claim, is this a claim that will be supported in the real world, as opposed to say, 850 true lumens after losses? The piko is limited due to it's size, but looks like your design will allow the Xm-L's to be driven a little harder. Do you have the output settings figured out yet? Anyway, looks good!!! Cheers!!!
    Hello,

    Yes the same Vag, but with few more lumen on my brains

    The 1200 Lumen is a claim of real Lumen. We have not used yet an integrating sphere but knowing every single aspect of our light production and spec makes us confident of this number. We have been working hard designing and testing for some time in order to accommodate heat and to achieve high optical efficiency. We drive both LEDs at 2A.

    Your guess is right. Slightly bigger than the Piko with the LEDs driven harder.

    To give you some idea about the beam: The combination of two optics (narrow and less narrow) gives an all around bright and smooth beam which we did like and do feel proud of. We just hope you'll agree with us once the beamshots are here(and you won't have to wait for long). If you can't wait few hours you can see them in our FB page.

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    P.s.: InDept, I believe I owe you a hard case waterproof battery since last year. Please PM me with your address. You will receive it with our first batch of lights at around New Year.
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    Looks to be another real contender Vag. Nice to hear were talking honest lumens as MTBR members know their stuff lol. Guess it will come with a four cell battery as you wont get much run time on two? Thanx for the battery offer, but i can't double dip here. Chris and i sorted things out and he sent me one already. Thanx again. Cheers!!!

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    Very sweet indeed. Loving the light engine and mount design.

    Vag, what is the waterproofness specifications as far as IPX ratings go?

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    @Indept
    Indeed the default battery will be a 4 pack with high capacity Japanese cells.
    It could also work great with a 6 cell battery which we are going to launch before February 2012. It will be compatible with battery packs from other vendors as we use the same connectors.

    We are also proud to introduce the Intelligent Mode Technology (IMT)
    IMT allows the user to select the programme which is suitable for their application. IMT features 4 programmes - each refined for their use. The 4 programmes are Adventure, Trail, Commuter and Bush. Each programme's settings are different and therefore have different runtimes. The user can easily select the programme on the run with a simple sequence of clicks. For example the trail mode is refined for Mountain Biking and features Low-High-Boost settings, plus super dim for when you are stopped or at the car etc. Now here's the catch - when you are riding you don't want to cycle through off or into super dim mode. With IMT these functions are accessed with long presses of the button.

    To give you an example on runtimes in our Boost setting 1200 lumen a 4 cell battery will last for 2.5 hours.
    In the High setting 800 lumen a 4 cell battery will run for 4 hours.

    @ Chromagftw

    IP ratings.
    We have not yet had the light officially tested, however we are 99% confident that the light will satisfy the test for IP67 (we've tried it) and we are 100% sure it will be IP66.

    For those who don't know IP ratings are as follows: IP65 Protected against low pressure jets of water from all directions - limited ingress. IP66 Protected against temporary flooding of water, e.g. for use on ship decks - limited immersion permitted.IP67 Protected against the effect of immersion between 15 cm and 1 m

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    Really interested in what you've described and am about to order a Lupine Piko, but if the details are right this might be a better option for me.

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    Very interesting. Now all we need is more info on the mounting set-up as well as those beam pics. Any idea on how much ( U$D ) these will sell for (?) and how much the lamp head alone will cost?

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    Gloworm are offering pre-order specials on this thing at $199 (retail will be around $239)

    From On Your Bike – Day 2 | Spoke Magazine

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    Hi Vag, glad all is going well for you. The light looks very interesting and promising to be use as a helmet light. I was looking forward to the Magicshine MJ880 but this one also caught my curiosity.

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    looks really good - several people on the DIY forum have similar form factor lights and they work well. The lumen claim sounds reasonable too, given that the theoretical output for 2 XM-Ls at 2A is ~1500lm. That'll make for a perfect helmet light - my 2 XM-Ls at 1.5A is great, 2A would be even better

    What are the mounting options?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Batas View Post
    Gloworm are offering pre-order specials on this thing at $199 (retail will be around $239)

    From On Your Bike – Day 2 | Spoke Magazine
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    @Batas - It gets even better, what you have pointed out there is actually NZD, this works out at about USD$150-155. Our website (which will be launched on Friday) is based in NZD so remember to change the currency at the bottom left of the page to ensure you are working in what is right for you.

    @Cat-man-do We'll have some beam shots up for everyone very soon. All I can say at the moment is that the beam is very smooth with no hot spot, its about 23deg with very nice colour temperature.

    @Colleen C - Glad all is well with you to.

    @matthewmuppet and Cat-man-do - I have attached some 3D CAD drawings of the X2 with both the bar and helmet mount options. A lot of testing was done to ensure each option was simple, effective and most of all - secure. The bar mount (CNC machined and attached using an o-ring) is designed to sit over the stem and can be rotated forward for a lower profile (please excuse the missing screws!). The helmet mount (also CNC machined) is attached using velcro or cable ties, simple but effective. Finally the mounts are atttached to the lamp head using a specially designed screw (not pictured) and an o-ring bearing surface (an o-ring either side of the mount where the screw goes through), which allows the light to be swiveled without loosening the screw. Additionally the light head does not move about when riding over even the roughest terrain (bar or helmet mounted).

    Real photos of mounst will also be posted soon






    Greets

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    I will be watching this closely. Was going to order a Piko. Waiting for beam shots and if possible some shots against the new Piko.

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    It's good.

    I've held the prototype light in my hand. I was out last night helping take beam shot comparisons and I was pretty darned impressed with the light. Really good mix of spill and throw. No noticeable hotspot. Nice warm color. Good thermal management, so the light can handle the amps. I've seen the mounts too and they are pretty trick. I think you guys are gonna like this light.

    I have no comercial connection with Gloworm. I got involved because I was buying some batteries off them and we got talking about my Revolver light, which some may remember from the DIY forum about a year ago. I had planned to put it into production but was finding it all a bit too difficult, and it was really expensive to produce. A single barrel Revolver (running a LuxRC board at 1.1amp) is a theoretical 1100 lumens and the X2 is noticeably brighter with more spill, so I reckon the 1200 lumen claim is bang on.

    A lot of bang for your buck right here folks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cue003 View Post
    I will be watching this closely. Was going to order a Piko. Waiting for beam shots and if possible some shots against the new Piko.
    Hello,

    The beamshots will be up very soon, however we don't have a Piko to do any comparisons with.....yet. Initially we'll compare with our Gloworm Lite (Gemini Titan - P7 D bin version) this should give you a good idea of how bright the X2 really is. Size wise the X2 is a little larger and slightly heavier than the Piko.

    We'll get those shots up soon and some of the prototype mounted.


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    This all sounds really great . . . my concerns are related to reliability and service if something breaks.

    Also interested in seeing the battery . . . is this going to be a feasible helmet light with the battery mounted on the helmet?

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    Hello 007

    Regarding service and warranty, we have a great reputation in New Zealand for service and honoring warranty repair/replacement. You can see our facebook page for evidence of this. Having our manufacturing based is Asia means we can deal with service/warranties from 2 locations plus we are currently working on Distributors in Australia and the US.

    Our warranty is based around getting you back riding as soon as possible. Any obvious manufacturing defects are honored immediately without question. Other defects that occur will be dealt with swiftly.

    With reliability you can be assured that all products are manufactured with the highest standards in mind and tested well before send to market. Our circuitry and housing/mount is designed in New Zealand (not China) - I can vouch for the hours Bruce has spent in front of the computer! Both the housing and mounts are made from a 6061 Aluminium Alloy for strength and longetivity.

    Batteries will be a hard case, soft feel, IP65 (min) 4 cell battery - with power indicator. It will be moulded to fit naturally around a bicycle frame or stem. (pics to follow soon). It will be possible to mount to the helmet using the supplied velcro however it will be heavier than the Piko's 2 cell battery. We are considering a 2 cell battery version, however at max power of 2A you would be looking at a runtime of 1.25 - 1.5hrs depending on cells. It is not totally out of the question.

    @ 007 I hope that answers your question?

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    Thanks, Vag. It does help. I'd be very interested in a 2-cell battery that is designed for helmet use. A 4-cell I think would be much too big.

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    Heat...

    14+ watts in a package only "slightly" bigger than the Piko. Ouch.

    I'd say "working hard to accommodate the heat" is an understatement.

    The shops that are building/assembling these have to be working for pennies on the hour. It just boggles the mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pethelman View Post
    14+ watts in a package only "slightly" bigger than the Piko. Ouch.

    I'd say "working hard to accommodate the heat" is an understatement.

    The shops that are building/assembling these have to be working for pennies on the hour. It just boggles the mind.

    Thermal management is the most difficult aspect of any small light build, but I think some of the big companies under-drive their lights in their heat related paranoia. These XML leds can be driven up to 3amps (with a lot of heat being generated at the driver) and the prototype does go up to that, but curiously the output is not noticeably better than running them at 2 amps. I was holding this in my hand at 2 amps in still air for quite some time and it never got close to being too hot to touch. If I tried that with my Revolver it would burn my hand, and yet, in real world usage on the bike my lights never get more than warm to the touch. Bruce tells me the production light has considerably more fin area, so more surface area, and better cooling.

    So seriously, heat isn't going to be any sort of problem whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bshallard View Post
    Thermal management is the most difficult aspect of any small light build, but I think some of the big companies under-drive their lights in their heat related paranoia. These XML leds can be driven up to 3amps (with a lot of heat being generated at the driver) and the prototype does go up to that, but curiously the output is not noticeably better than running them at 2 amps. I was holding this in my hand at 2 amps in still air for quite some time and it never got close to being too hot to touch. If I tried that with my Revolver it would burn my hand, and yet, in real world usage on the bike my lights never get more than warm to the touch. Bruce tells me the production light has considerably more fin area, so more surface area, and better cooling.

    So seriously, heat isn't going to be any sort of problem whatsoever.

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    Not doubting the experience that you had with the prototype in any way whatsoever; however, my experiences may allow me to arrive at a slightly different conclusion.

    Managing heat is ALL about getting as much of the electrically generated power in the form of heat out to the outside world as efficiently as possible. We know that the light burns at least 14 watts on high, probably pushing 15 watts.

    With the very low thermal mass of the light, I can speak from experience that at those power levels with no air flow, the case should reach an equilibrium state in only a few minutes. I'm talking 2 or 3. If it never got hot to the touch during a longer time than that, then there are only a few possible conclusions:

    1. There is a high thermal resistance somewhere in the series path from the emitter to the outside world (surface of the case), and the LEDs are getting ridiculously hot.

    2. There was a thermal detection scheme being used in the controller that very quickly throttled the light back to much lower power levels, more on the order of 5 or 6 watts to achieve the "not very hot" feeling for an extended amount of time in still air.

    3. The laws of thermodynamics were momentarily suspended... Ok, kidding.

    But seriously, if the prototype was indeed running at 14 watts, then I would contend just the opposite. Namely that it was doing a very poor job of managing the heat and that your "Revolver" was superior in that respect. The fact that your light, which got so hot while sitting still, was only warm to the touch while moving means exactly that it was doing an excellent job of moving the heat away from the internal electronics and into the ambient air.

    Clearly, there is something about that prototype test that we don't know. The need to add "considerable" heat transfer surface area in the production model means that the deficiency was "caught" before they went into production and has been attempted to be remedied. Make no mistake about it, 15 watts in a package this small is a serious engineering challenge. Repeated over-temperature stresses on electrical components is a slow killer. Those "overly paranoid" companies are in essence building long term value into their products with more conservative designs. It's exactly analogous to the top-fuel dragster vs. daily driver scenario. By golly you can get 15000 horsepower out of an engine and go 300 mph at the end of a quarter mile, but you'll have to rebuild the engine at the end of it. Or you can rebuild the engine after a considerably less exciting 300000 miles.

    You have also noticed the very real effect that our eyes do not perceive increases in brightness in a "linear" fashion. (Same thing goes for our ears by the way). The necessary increase in electrical power is EXPONENTIAL in order to produce meaningful increases in brightness for a given source of light. It's easy to see the difference between say 600 and 1200 lumens, but once you're at 1200, you've got to pour on some serious power to have that next big jump up. Furthermore, I would argue that 1200 lumens from any one source of light is enough. Just stop right there with a reasonably shaped beam and you'll be a happy camper. 1000 to 1200 real lumens over a 20 to 25 degree round beam is about the tipping point. Beyond that, if you want to add more lumens, they are most effectively added over a wider area or in a separate light, like a helmet light. Companies that are trying to push the lumen numbers up to 3000 from a single light are just shooting themselves in the foot with regard to real world performance... there, I said it.

    Take everything I just said as strictly my opinion. Not claiming to be the authority on someone else's light. If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, then Lupine should considered themselves highly flattered indeed, yet again, by this light.

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    Hello,

    Nice to see all the comments coming.
    I would like to make some clarifications when it comes to thermal management:

    1. Our surface area is more than 1 square inch per watt. According to our design engineer this is enough for thermal management. This is a fact that has been also confirmed during our tests.

    2. The whole build is Aluminum and there is no high thermal resistance inside the light. We would never do this as it is obvious to everybody how bad excessive heat is for the life of the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pethelman View Post
    Not doubting the experience that you had with the prototype in any way whatsoever; however, my experiences may allow me to arrive at a slightly different conclusion.

    Managing heat is ALL about getting as much of the electrically generated power in the form of heat out to the outside world as efficiently as possible. We know that the light burns at least 14 watts on high, probably pushing 15 watts.

    With the very low thermal mass of the light, I can speak from experience that at those power levels with no air flow, the case should reach an equilibrium state in only a few minutes. I'm talking 2 or 3. If it never got hot to the touch during a longer time than that, then there are only a few possible conclusions:

    1. There is a high thermal resistance somewhere in the series path from the emitter to the outside world (surface of the case), and the LEDs are getting ridiculously hot.

    2. There was a thermal detection scheme being used in the controller that very quickly throttled the light back to much lower power levels, more on the order of 5 or 6 watts to achieve the "not very hot" feeling for an extended amount of time in still air.

    3. The laws of thermodynamics were momentarily suspended... Ok, kidding.

    But seriously, if the prototype was indeed running at 14 watts, then I would contend just the opposite. Namely that it was doing a very poor job of managing the heat and that your "Revolver" was superior in that respect. The fact that your light, which got so hot while sitting still, was only warm to the touch while moving means exactly that it was doing an excellent job of moving the heat away from the internal electronics and into the ambient air.

    Clearly, there is something about that prototype test that we don't know. The need to add "considerable" heat transfer surface area in the production model means that the deficiency was "caught" before they went into production and has been attempted to be remedied. Make no mistake about it, 15 watts in a package this small is a serious engineering challenge. Repeated over-temperature stresses on electrical components is a slow killer. Those "overly paranoid" companies are in essence building long term value into their products with more conservative designs. It's exactly analogous to the top-fuel dragster vs. daily driver scenario. By golly you can get 15000 horsepower out of an engine and go 300 mph at the end of a quarter mile, but you'll have to rebuild the engine at the end of it. Or you can rebuild the engine after a considerably less exciting 300000 miles.

    You have also noticed the very real effect that our eyes do not perceive increases in brightness in a "linear" fashion. (Same thing goes for our ears by the way). The necessary increase in electrical power is EXPONENTIAL in order to produce meaningful increases in brightness for a given source of light. It's easy to see the difference between say 600 and 1200 lumens, but once you're at 1200, you've got to pour on some serious power to have that next big jump up. Furthermore, I would argue that 1200 lumens from any one source of light is enough. Just stop right there with a reasonably shaped beam and you'll be a happy camper. 1000 to 1200 real lumens over a 20 to 25 degree round beam is about the tipping point. Beyond that, if you want to add more lumens, they are most effectively added over a wider area or in a separate light, like a helmet light. Companies that are trying to push the lumen numbers up to 3000 from a single light are just shooting themselves in the foot with regard to real world performance... there, I said it.

    Take everything I just said as strictly my opinion. Not claiming to be the authority on someone else's light. If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, then Lupine should considered themselves highly flattered indeed, yet again, by this light.

    I have considered your opinion, and concluded that you are wrong.

    Just so it is understood, I went along to where Bruce was planning to snap some beam shots because I was curious about the how a 2up XML light would compare to my 2200 lumen set-up. Mostly because I was toying with the idea of building a 4xml helmet set-up (for my own personal use). Unlike a lot of people, I don't give a crap how heavy a battery I have to carry. I just want stupid amounts of light in front of me from the smallest, lightest possible package. I actually use a second double Revolver on my bars, so quite often I'm rocking 4400 theoretical lumens.
    XMLs seem to be the way people are going these days. There are plenty of double and triple XML builds on the DIY forum, along with some quads too, and some big big light being put out. I was feeling a bit behind the times with my XPG based set-up.

    You make it sound like there is some secrecy going on, but I was just giving my experience as an impartial bystander. I don't have a horse in this race, and I wouldn't buy one, because I only use lights I make myself. I run mine way closer to the edge in terms of watts per gram/surface area... whatever. I thought the X2 was a good light. It didn't dim down while we had it running. I would have noticed. My Revolvers get hot when standing still because they are really really small. They genuinely need consistent air-flow to keep cool, and when I'm not moving, I turn them down to stop them overheating.
    This X2 has more mass than my light and more surface area and it appears to me to handle the heat with no problems.

    Compared to a single barrel Revolver, it is bigger, heavier, brighter, has a better beam pattern and is MUCH cheaper.

    That's a real world observation.
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    Hello again,

    Here come some beamshots on boost mode. The photos are taken following the mtbr settings so you can have an apples to apples comparison with similar photos posted on this site.

    As mentioned before comparison photos are soon to come.
    Here you can see an "open space" photo and a trail photo.
    Please pay attention to the tiny white tin on the ground (present in both photos). We use it as a distance marker.

    In the open space photo:
    Tin is at 25 meters distance. Trees in background is at 60 meters distance.

    In the trail photo:
    Tin is at 15 meters distance.

    Enjoy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bshallard View Post
    I have considered your opinion, and concluded that you are wrong.

    Just so it is understood, I went along to where Bruce was planning to snap some beam shots because I was curious about the how a 2up XML light would compare to my 2200 lumen set-up. Mostly because I was toying with the idea of building a 4xml helmet set-up (for my own personal use). Unlike a lot of people, I don't give a crap how heavy a battery I have to carry. I just want stupid amounts of light in front of me from the smallest, lightest possible package. I actually use a second double Revolver on my bars, so quite often I'm rocking 4400 theoretical lumens.
    XMLs seem to be the way people are going these days. There are plenty of double and triple XML builds on the DIY forum, along with some quads too, and some big big light being put out. I was feeling a bit behind the times with my XPG based set-up.

    You make it sound like there is some secrecy going on, but I was just giving my experience as an impartial bystander. I don't have a horse in this race, and I wouldn't buy one, because I only use lights I make myself. I run mine way closer to the edge in terms of watts per gram/surface area... whatever. I thought the X2 was a good light. It didn't dim down while we had it running. I would have noticed. My Revolvers get hot when standing still because they are really really small. They genuinely need consistent air-flow to keep cool, and when I'm not moving, I turn them down to stop them overheating.
    This X2 has more mass than my light and more surface area and it appears to me to handle the heat with no problems.

    Compared to a single barrel Revolver, it is bigger, heavier, brighter, has a better beam pattern and is MUCH cheaper.

    That's a real world observation.
    Fair enough... I apologize for making it sound like there was some secrecy going on. Certainly not my intention. Given your description of your much smaller light, the marked differences certainly sound reasonable.

    My conclusions were based largely on my experience with a light that I build with a very similar lumen output and similar wattage. Total mass and dimensions look reasonably similar, but I have over 2 square inches per watt due to some extreme fin machining (not cheap by the way). I use some of the highest performance thermal epoxy on the market (Arctic Alumina) to bond the LED boards directly to the 1-piece black anodized housing. And with only 12 watts dissipated in the LEDs (~14 total system power), I can get the case up to about 120 degF in 6 minutes in free air before the somewhat conservative 60degC thermal limit kicks in. 120 degF is a good bit more than barely warm feeling. If you're talking 10 minutes or more in your hand at the stated 2 amp drive (approximately 15 watts total system power) in still air and it's barely warm to the touch, then color me amazed. I'm obviously missing something, I just can't figure out what it is. Oh well. Cheers.

    Oh, and for what it's worth I notice from post #1 to post #12 about a 2x increase in the finned surface area. Does that mean the CAD image is the production version and the color image is the prototype that you were holding?
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    1. Our surface area is more than 1 square inch per watt. According to our design engineer this is enough for thermal management. This is a fact that has been also confirmed during our tests.
    I am a big fan of small and lightweight helmet lights as my 50+ year old neck has a hard enough time just keeping the old noggin up near the end of a ride. My experience shows that 1 sq. in. per Watt is sufficient as long as you have a moderate flow of fairly cool air. To my memory my microlights are among the smallest, lightest builds posted on MTBR. My latest is <27 grams with mount for dual XPGs with Regina reflectors. It has ~6 sq. in. area and ~6W of heat to deal with. It gets hot. In my garage at 11C air temp it levels off at 64C in ~20 minutes. I did not chart the temp rise over time, but it did most of the gain in the first few minutes. For me this is acceptable. If I am stopped for any amount of time I turn it to low. For a more casual user this might not be a good setup. IMO lights like this gloworm or other small high power lights are like light XC race wheels. Not everyone can or should use them. They might need a bit more care and they may not last as long as something bigger and heavier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Please pay attention to the tiny white tin on the ground (present in both photos). We use it as a distance marker.

    In the open space photo:
    Tin is at 25 meters distance. Trees in background is at 60 meters distance.

    In the trail photo:
    Tin is at 15 meters distance.



    Thanks for the photos but I see nothing that I can clearly ID as a white tin. A bigger marker would have been better. A 16oz soda bottle works well as distance markers. I've used the 16oz Pepsi bottles with silver labels that show up real well. Leave a little water in the bottle to give the bottle more weight. Really helps if there is some wind. It also looks as though you didn't use a tripod which really would have helped to make the photos clearer.

    I really did want to comment more about the photos but since I can't say for certain where the tin is there is no point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pethelman View Post
    Fair enough... I apologize for making it sound like there was some secrecy going on. Certainly not my intention. Given your description of your much smaller light, the marked differences certainly sound reasonable.

    My conclusions were based largely on my experience with a light that I build with a very similar lumen output and similar wattage. Total mass and dimensions look reasonably similar, but I have over 2 square inches per watt due to some extreme fin machining (not cheap by the way). I use some of the highest performance thermal epoxy on the market (Arctic Alumina) to bond the LED boards directly to the 1-piece black anodized housing. And with only 12 watts dissipated in the LEDs (~14 total system power), I can get the case up to about 120 degF in 6 minutes in free air before the somewhat conservative 60degC thermal limit kicks in. 120 degF is a good bit more than barely warm feeling. If you're talking 10 minutes or more in your hand at the stated 2 amp drive (approximately 15 watts total system power) in still air and it's barely warm to the touch, then color me amazed. I'm obviously missing something, I just can't figure out what it is. Oh well. Cheers.

    Oh, and for what it's worth I notice from post #1 to post #12 about a 2x increase in the finned surface area. Does that mean the CAD image is the production version and the color image is the prototype that you were holding?
    Yeah, I saw you light build on the beamshot thread.I think I may have accidentally given you the impression it didn't heat up. It did. But if I can hold a light in still air for more than a few minutes without burning my hand then I reckon it's fine for sale to the general public. Up to the point it's uncomfortable to hold it's merely warm. I define hot as when you can't hold onto it anymore. Not very scientific I admit, but there you go.

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    Waiting to hear about inputs once they hit the US. From there this could be my next light and so far this light looks to be a great investment. Cat-man-do the tin is located with the third grade arrow.
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    Hello,

    @ Cat man do

    I have added a red dot on both photos just where the Tin is.

    Hope it is more clear now. Looking forward to read your analysis.

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    Vag, thanks for the website ordering update. Appreciate it.

    I am curious as to how the remote access will work. Say one was to run the x2 on the hemlet with battery pack in pack of camel back. Is there an option to run the setup without remote switch and basically power on/change mode/power off from the light head itself? It would be great to get a view shot of the switch section on light engine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hello,

    @ Cat man do

    I have added a red dot on both photos just where the Tin is.

    Hope it is more clear now. Looking forward to read your analysis.

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    Vag, Thanks for that clarification. As to the "Open" photo: Basically the light looks to throw only about 25 meters ( 82ft. )...unless at that point the road drops down a hill and you can't see further. If it does indeed throw only 25 meters that would compare to the current offerings sold by Magicshine ( MJ-872 ) and Bikeray ( BR IV ). Personally I was hoping for a little more usable throw. Now if the over-all beam pattern was not quite as bright/wide but threw to say, 150 ft. then you have something worth moving up to. Perhaps if you used different ( tighter )optics or perhaps one of the current optics and one reflector you could reach a more happy medium. With the current setup I wouldn't plan to use this as a helmet lamp but it would make a darn good bar setup especially if you already have a good thrower on the helmet.

    Chomagftw wrote:
    I am curious as to how the remote access will work. Say one was to run the x2 on the hemlet with battery pack in pack of camel back. Is there an option to run the setup without remote switch and basically power on/change mode/power off from the light head itself? It would be great to get a view shot of the switch section on light engine...
    Are these being sold with a remote?? I must of missed that somehow. Is this true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Chomagftw wrote:

    Are these being sold with a remote?? I must of missed that somehow. Is this true?
    Cat, we know you love your remotes!

    I believe remote is inclusive:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Vag, Thanks for that clarification. As to the "Open" photo: Basically the light looks to throw only about 25 meters ( 82ft. )...unless at that point the road drops down a hill and you can't see further. If it does indeed throw only 25 meters that would compare to the current offerings sold by Magicshine ( MJ-872 ) and Bikeray ( BR IV ). Personally I was hoping for a little more usable throw. Now if the over-all beam pattern was not quite as bright/wide but threw to say, 150 ft. then you have something worth moving up to. Perhaps if you used different ( tighter )optics or perhaps one of the current optics and one reflector you could reach a more happy medium. With the current setup I wouldn't plan to use this as a helmet lamp but it would make a darn good bar setup especially if you already have a good thrower on the helmet.

    Chomagftw wrote:

    Are these being sold with a remote?? I must of missed that somehow. Is this true?
    Hello,

    @ Cat-man-do I guess the picture is a bit deceiving. The path does drop away at the point where the red dot is. We will post some 'flat' trail/open space photos on Sunday night (NZ time) with a professional setup that will indicate the throw a little better. We compared with the Bikeray III (3 x XPG) and the X2 was superior. You should see usable throw out to about 35-40m (115-130ft). I guess it also depends on where you aim the light during such photographs.

    In regards to the remote switch. Please do not confuse this with a wireless switch. The remote switch is remote from the light head. It is optimised for bar and helmet use so it can be mounted in the same place as the thumb for the rear derailleur shifter or on the side of the helmet. The cable splits just after it leave the housing - 1 wire going to the switch, 1 wire going to the battery. At this stage there is no switch on the light itself.

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    Maybe we can start reporting how bright lights are in "glow worms"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hello,

    @ Cat-man-do I guess the picture is a bit deceiving. The path does drop away at the point where the red dot is. We will post some 'flat' trail/open space photos on Sunday night (NZ time) with a professional setup that will indicate the throw a little better. We compared with the Bikeray III (3 x XPG) and the X2 was superior. You should see usable throw out to about 35-40m (115-130ft). I guess it also depends on where you aim the light during such photographs.

    In regards to the remote switch. Please do not confuse this with a wireless switch. The remote switch is remote from the light head. It is optimised for bar and helmet use so it can be mounted in the same place as the thumb for the rear derailleur shifter or on the side of the helmet. The cable splits just after it leave the housing - 1 wire going to the switch, 1 wire going to the battery. At this stage there is no switch on the light itself.

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    Okay, hopefully the better picture will be more revealing. Anyway you can include a photo of the remote? I would like to see what these things look like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Okay, hopefully the better picture will be more revealing. Anyway you can include a photo of the remote? I would like to see what these things look like.
    Hello

    Well as it happens the rain has spoiled our progress on getting some more beam shots. Keep watching they will be soon, plus some of the remote swtich.

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    Led Temp

    I looked through this thread, but didn't see the tint.
    Anyone got info on this.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Repo View Post
    I looked through this thread, but didn't see the tint.
    Anyone got info on this.

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    I agree. More info on tint needed Vag.

    Switch/button is remote or on the housing? I didn't get this. Photos look like it's onboard but description says remote.

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    Hello

    Well it's great we have so many question and interest in the X2.

    I'll answer the questions first then show you the long awaited beam shots.

    Also the new website is up and running at www.glowormlites.com!

    @ Repo

    The LEDs are XML T6 Bin 1B appx 5800k colour temp - you will see this in the beam shots. The colour is not a brilliant white thus allowing the rider to see more detail in the trail.

    @ Giant-Lander

    The switch is a remote switch, not in the housing.


    (this post has been edited. Old beam shots are deleted as they were of bad quality and not representing our light capabilities and new ones with two beam settings are uploaded in a later post)



    Enjoy!

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    Paypal sent.
    Vag, get those parcels going!
    Beam looks a bit too broad but.... we'll see!
    Place an integraded battery light as the next project! Maybe triple xpg or dual xm-l....
    Tint looks good.

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    For me the beam is too floody. Particularly because the smallish size would be good on the helmet. Tighten that baby up some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    For me the beam is too floody. Particularly because the smallish size would be good on the helmet. Tighten that baby up some.
    I agree. They could at least offer a second set of lenses or reflectors. If the Xera lens fit, that would be very, very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    For me the beam is too floody. Particularly because the smallish size would be good on the helmet. Tighten that baby up some.
    I think we can safely say now that these are designed to be primarily used as bar lights. That much is clear. If the light really does throw to 130 ft ( 40m ) that wouldn't be too bad but it is hard to judge intensity from the beam photos. Beam tint does look a bit warm. Some people will like that and some won't. The only potential problem I see could lie with the lower power levels. With a beam that wide and with the present beam tint the lower levels might not be as useful as they could be. This however is speculation on my part. We need some user beam photos to help widen our perspective.

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    I've stayed out of this thread for a wee while, but I thought I'd chime in again briefly. The first set of photos didn't do the light justice at all. I was holding the light while Bruce took the photos, and for whatever reason the camera didn't capture as much light as I was actually seeing in real life, and this particularly applied to the amount of throw. I suspect the second set of shots are still coming up a bit short, and the tint looks greener than I recall seeing in person. It was a pretty warm tint, but compared to a quad XPG light we were also looking at, I thought it was pretty good for making out trail detail.

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    I would buy this light if they would offer an option for a tighter beam with more reach. I absolutely love remote switches and the size, output, and adjustability on this light are nice. I would have bought a Piko this year, but it just didnt have enough output to replace my Wilma at 1000 lumens. This light has eveything I would want in a helmet light if they just offer the tighter beam. Please do that and you will have a winning package.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximusHQ View Post
    I would buy this light if they would offer an option for a tighter beam with more reach. I absolutely love remote switches and the size, output, and adjustability on this light are nice. I would have bought a Piko this year, but it just didnt have enough output to replace my Wilma at 1000 lumens. This light has eveything I would want in a helmet light if they just offer the tighter beam. Please do that and you will have a winning package.
    I agree. If you look at the comments, VAG said something about a throw and a flood on the two sides so... if they would offer an additional throw optic or reflector, fthat would be sweet!
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    Beam shots

    Hello,

    Long time no see, as both me and Bruce are working in the last details of the X2. One of these details was added thanks to your feedback. Thank you for that guys!

    Gloworm X2 has now two optics setting: Spot-Flood and Spot-Spot!!!!

    Spot-Flood makes a nice floody beam, the one that you have seen in previous photos, while,

    Spot-Spot makes a more tight beam with better throw and still enough flood, especially good for helmet use.

    This way we hope that we address all the issues with our beam and that we offer an all around solution.

    Lense Settings
    Basic setting is Spot-Flood and for all preorders an extra Spot Lense will be added for free so that you have both options available!
    (also for the ones already made)

    Return Policy
    Also please note that a 14 days return in case you do not like the light is applied for all pre orders.

    Beamshots
    Comparison with Gemini Titan P7-MTBR Settings- Canon G7 (Francois is using Canon G9)
    Open space photo with cone at 40m (135ft)
    Please pay special notice to the throw of the Spot-Spot Setting especially in comparison with Titan P7. (look at the trees around the cone)

    Trail photo with cone at 30m (100ft)
    Please pay special attention to the different beam pattern between Spot-Spot and Flood-Spot.

    Wall photo is with Flood-Spot lenses just for you to see the beam. Spot-spot does not have such difference in such a short distance.


    Enjoy!








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    P.s: While Bruce was having his coffee today, one of our headlights prototypes was forgotten in the coffee shop. Hopefully no headlight housing photos will leak before Monday....
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    Website?

    Any reported problems with the website? I've tried to access it through the US and haven't been able to connect.
    By the way, those beam shots look amazing.
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    I can get to the site fine from the US. A little slow, but it comes up...

    Some questions:

    1. I really like the hard battery case on the Gemini lights which is a very clean design. Will your hard case be similar? Guess it would be nice to see some actual pictures of the entire kit before investing in the pre-order.

    2. Do you have any further indication of an actual ship date? The site appears to be updated to answer this question, mid-Jan.

    3. Do you plan to offer any sort of trial period similar to what Gemini does? Being so new, I want to ensure there will not be issues with the initial roll-out. Again, the site has been updated to answer this question. 14-day trial which is great.

    New question: Any chance of offering free shipping on the initial roll-out or for pre-orders I know Gemini did this and I think it helped greatly to get the product in to new hands.

    I am excited about the light! Looks very promising...
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    Good job on offering options on the beam shape. Even with the spot,spot beam there is plenty of flood it appears.

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    Can I buy just the lighthead, no battery and charger? I have a bunch of geomangear batteries that I'd put to good use with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemike View Post
    I can get to the site fine from the US. A little slow, but it comes up...

    On another note, I sent both Vag and Bruce an email with some questions a couple days ago with no reply. Hopefully, this is not an indication of how customer service will be moving forward. I will post the questions here since they appear to monitor:

    1. I really like the hard battery case on the Gemini lights which is a very clean design. Will your hard case be similar? Guess it would be nice to see some actual pictures of the entire kit before investing in the pre-order.

    2. Do you have any further indication of an actual ship date? The site appears to be updated to answer this question, mid-Jan.

    3. Do you plan to offer any sort of trial period similar to what Gemini does? Being so new, I want to ensure there will not be issues with the initial roll-out. Again, the site has been updated to answer this question. 14-day trial which is great.

    New question: Any chance of offering free shipping on the initial roll-out or for pre-orders I know Gemini did this and I think it helped greatly to get the product in to new hands.

    Again, I hope the no-reply on my email is not an indication of future support! Being a new light manufacturer, it is imperative to reply to new mails/inquiries ASAP. Otherwise you are setting yourself up for a bad reputation from the start.

    I am excited about the light! Looks very promising...
    Hello,

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    Bruce has replied to you. I hope it did not end up in a spam folder (we usually don't spam ). I am forwarding you now. Please check your mails and PM me if it still did not reach you as we'll have to look at it.

    Now regarding the questions:


    Hard case


    Our hard case will be similar to other hard cases in the market. As batteries are all shaped the same there is not much space for creation.

    The case is under production so at the moment we can't share any photos with you but for what I am sure is of the high quality, flexible plastic and of a low consumption LED battery level indicators.

    Shipping date

    We are sure that we will be shipping the first batch before Mid January and confident that it will be at the first week of January.

    Shipping cost

    What we offer is USA shipping (from NY, and this is breaking news) for the first batch and until we get a proper distributor-reseller in the USA. That means that you will avoid all the customs clearance mess and confusions with custom.

    Please note that our presale is for 153.35 USD + Shipping for a 1200 Lumen Light, 100% designed by New Zealand engineers and manufactured under Western Management (actually mine ). To my knowledge and experience this is a very good offer and I hope that you agree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    Can I buy just the lighthead, no battery and charger? I have a bunch of geomangear batteries that I'd put to good use with this.
    Yes, you can. We'll be adding that option soon and I will inform you by PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Yes, you can. We'll be adding that option soon and I will inform you by PM.
    I would be interested in this option as well (provided the Geoman gear is compatible without any customization on my part).

    Please PM me, with the light head price only as well. Thanks!

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    So, the lights will be shipped from NY, interesting. Guess that works out better for us US folks. Would shipping actually be less than the nearly 20$ indicated on the pre-order form then? I am assuming the 20$ was calculated based on overseas to the US rates.

    Oh, how about some real pictures of the mounts as promised in your post with the CNC renderings. I assume the bar mount will have some sort of rubber barrier between the mount and bars?

    Thanks again Vag and Bruce...
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemike View Post
    Vag, I never received the mail and it did not show up in my spam box (although it could have been missed). No worries though and thanks for the forum reply. I am sure others will benefit from the questions answered, so it worked out fine.

    So, the lights will be shipped from NY, interesting. Guess that works out better for us US folks. Would shipping actually be less than the nearly 20$ indicated on the pre-order form then? I am assuming the 20$ was calculated based on overseas to the US rates.

    Oh, how about some real pictures of the mounts as promised in your post with the CNC renderings. I assume the bar mount will have some sort of rubber barrier between the mount and bars?

    Thanks again Vag and Bruce...
    Hello,

    I just PMed you with the mail. I tried to forward you and it bounced. Anyway, it is all answered now here and this is enough.

    Mounts

    You are right. We promised photos and they are soon to come. For what I can assure you now is the barrier between mount and bars.



    Regarding shipping please note that this is an extra service from us until we get a representative which actually costs more than simply shipping with DHL from Shenzhen.

    Just to give you an insight we will have to bear SZ-NY shipping, NY to your door shipping, Tax and warehousing fees. I know this is none of your problem but still, I hope you understand why we do keep the shipping in that level and I hope you will agree it is a fair deal.

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    Very nice looking light head. I look forward to more picuters of the actual light and battery setup. I'd also be interested in the compatibility of the Geoman batteries as well.

    Keeping an eye on this thread

    Thanks for the torture of more lights

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    Hello,

    The connectors of the X2 are the same with most of the lights out there and compatible with Geoman batteries.

    We recommend you to only use batteries with high quality cells.

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    Can you post pictures of the actual lighthead? And maybe with something for a size reference? I don't want to see renderings . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Can you post pictures of the actual lighthead? And maybe with something for a size reference? I don't want to see renderings . . .
    I'll second that. I'm still waiting to see what the remote looks like. Hopefully it won't be like the MagicShines. As long as it's not more than 1cm high is should be fine.

    Oh and by the way, others are just as curious as to how much a "light head only" will cost. When these are ready for market you might as well post that option in the web menu. Kudo's for making these compatible with standard MS type battery plugs.

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    I found the price on their website here:
    Gloworm Performance Products - Lighting

    It's not on the link you click from the front page so I missed it till just now. $125 NZD = about $96 or $97.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    I found the price on their website here:
    Gloworm Performance Products - Lighting

    It's not on the link you click from the front page so I missed it till just now. $125 NZD = about $96 or $97.
    Thanks gitclay, now all we need is some actual photos of the prototype.

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    Hello,

    Here come the long awaited photos. First with the bar mount and second with the helmet mount ( it secures to your helmet with a velcro).

    To answer Cat Man Do question:

    Switch--> it is 1cm high ( to be precise 1.08cm high).

    And some more comments:
    1.The side screw will be black and with grips on the head (still on production)so that you can screw and unscrew without using any tool.

    2. As you can see the headlight can turn up and down. We have worked out a design that you will be able to adjust your headlight by just using your hand and it will not move from its position however rough the trail is.

    3. Button is plastic with rubber to where your finger touch to give you some extra grip when you are about to change mode.

    That's all for now, hope you like it.

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    Looks good! I'd prefer a QR bar mount though over an O-Ring setup

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    Appreciate the eye candy Vag.

    Light head looks great, I mentioned that before. Spot/flood lens switchability option offering a definite plus also.

    Not a big fan of danglies as far as remote switches go however. If this were Burger King and I could have it my way, I'd forgo the remote access and have the power on/off/level up/level down toggle switch on the light head itself. Not too sure how much of a difference design and dimension wise that would make. Having said that, I'm sure there are those who will welcome the offering.

    Great to see light companies pushing forth the envelope allowing consumers a much wider product choice compared to a decade back. Exciting times indeed!

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    Any chance there's a screw hole in the bottom so a magicshine or (insert here) bar mount could be put on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    Any chance there's a screw hole in the bottom so a magicshine or (insert here) bar mount could be put on it?
    Hello,

    Thanks for the feedback.

    @gticlay and OO7 Unfortunately no screw hole for other mounts. The supplied bar mount provides central placement of the light (over the stem) with infinite placement ability. You can place the headlamp from directly above the bar all the way through to below the bar - whatever suits you.

    Bruce has personally ridden this design through and over some very rough terrain with no movement. This is based on the tight o-ring mount system. We design the o-ring mounts to be wider therefore creating a wider spread and a stronger hold to the bar. Additionally the mount is held to the housing using 16mm bolt with 2 small o-rings (1 either side of the mount) providing a resistant bearing surface.

    @Chromagftw I guess the remote will not suit some however to maintain the small size of the light and the necessary cooling the remote option was chosen. The switch length has been optimised to be placed near the shifters or on the side of the helmet - meaning there is no need to remove your hands from the bar.

    Soon we will have some direct size comparisons with the Gemini Titan

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    It probably needs the cooling under the light in addition to above with that much light coming out anyway...

    I'm pretty excited to see it next to the Titan (or Xera).
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    Very nice looking light and I like the options. Can't wait to hear some reviews once it gets into user's hands.

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    Very Nice! Very Nice! Good work on the remote. Like others I might have wanted a screw hole under the light head in case I wanted to use another mount but this looks like it might work right out of the box. My only doubt though centers around just how stable the lamp will be on the bars with the off-set ( O-ring ) mounting. I wouldn't have said that though if this had of been designed with a cam/clamp bar mount but since this is using O-rings it might tend to be a little unstable if the O-ring is not the right size. Not a big issue though because usually I can find O-rings in any hardware store that will work ( * if the stock ones are not tight enough ).

    Anyway, I like what I'm seeing. Looks like you're using optics...cool. Can't wait to see some beam pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Very Nice! Very Nice! Good work on the remote. Like others I might have wanted a screw hole under the light head in case I wanted to use another mount but this looks like it might work right out of the box. My only doubt though centers around just how stable the lamp will be on the bars with the off-set ( O-ring ) mounting. I wouldn't have said that though if this had of been designed with a cam/clamp bar mount but since this is using O-rings it might tend to be a little unstable if the O-ring is not the right size. Not a big issue though because usually I can find O-rings in any hardware store that will work ( * if the stock ones are not tight enough ).

    Anyway, I like what I'm seeing. Looks like you're using optics...cool. Can't wait to see some beam pics.
    Hello Cat-man-do

    You must have missed the new beam shots (link below). Bruce invested in a tripod and used the a Canon G7 camera utilising the MTBR light shoot out settings. The results speak for themselves.

    Link to Beam Shot Post

    Regarding the o-ring mount, agreed, if the o-ring is the wrong size or a little loose it may be unstable. However with the design width of the where the o-ring hooks onto the mount it creates a wider profile and therefore is more stable. Our tests have yielded very positive results (especially through rock gardens and off steep drops! - so Bruce says!)

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    Hey Gloworm, I wish you luck with this light, it looks nice and I want one.

    I spent ages and ages making two on my manual mill (one for me and one for my Wife). I now wish I had read this thread when it first began as I have only just found it and could have saved myself lots of time and money.



    Good luck, looks like a nice light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hello Cat-man-do

    You must have missed the new beam shots (link below). Bruce invested in a tripod and used the a Canon G7 camera utilising the MTBR light shoot out settings. The results speak for themselves.

    Link to Beam Shot Post
    Yes, I did miss the photos, thanks. After looking at the beam shots I am very impressed. I think this is the first set-up I've seen in a long time where there is an major difference between the flood/spot and spot/spot set-up. Hopefully I will have some money when these come out as I think I would like one.

    Big question: Are these going to be made so the user can switch out the optics?? If not I'm going to have a hard time choosing the optics I prefer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Big question: Are these going to be made so the user can switch out the optics?? If not I'm going to have a hard time choosing the optics I prefer.
    Hey,

    Yes, the optics can be changed by the user. Simply remove the two front screws, drop out the optics and replace them with the desired units. The only thing that will be exposed is the LED board so there is no chance of disrupting the electronics or other workings.

    Also remember that with all presales we will be providing a free replacement lens/optic. This option will be available after the presale offer - however it will cost an extra $5USD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yetibetty View Post
    Hey Gloworm, I wish you luck with this light, it looks nice and I want one.

    I spent ages and ages making two on my manual mill (one for me and one for my Wife). I now wish I had read this thread when it first began as I have only just found it and could have saved myself lots of time and money.



    Good luck, looks like a nice light.
    That's a beautiful-looking light.

    @Vag, do you intend on producing any raw (uncoloured) light units?

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    Anyhow, paypal sent your way! Any special specials for the preorder clients or things you'd want a good old Canadian to test out?

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    Very nice light! Do you now, how heavy the lighthead with the helmet mount is? The Lupine Piko is supposed to be 54g - I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baymoe View Post
    Anyhow, paypal sent your way! Any special specials for the preorder clients or things you'd want a good old Canadian to test out?
    My apology for the spamming. Can you please ensure that my order is shipped with the spot/flood combination as standard with the additional spot optics. I hope I didn't made the mistake of requesting for all spot optics

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    Hello,

    We are more than happy with the positive comments on X2. Exciting times indeed!

    To your questions now:

    @ baymoe
    No mistake done. I just checked. You have 1 flood , 2 spot optics.

    Regarding uncoloured lights, we do not plan to produce some in the moment. X2 housing after being produced is sand blasted and anodized. We see this treatment as an important part of our production process as it makes X2 more durable, rigid and abrasion resistive.

    @mrraldos
    Sorry for that, but, I do not remember the exact weight by heart now. You will have to wait few hours(8-10) till i get to office tomorrow morning and check it with a scale. I'll be posting back.

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    Vag, Clear anodizing is possible and affords the same protection. However, the black color helps keep the light cool by allowing it to radiate heat better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Action LED Lights View Post
    Vag, Clear anodizing is possible and affords the same protection. However, the black color helps keep the light cool by allowing it to radiate heat better.
    How about that rad camo anodizing like Twenty6 and a few other companies are doing?
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    This looks like a great light. I'm currently in Canada. Any chance of shipping here and costs? Would custom fees, etc be including in shipping costs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchpoint View Post
    This looks like a great light. I'm currently in Canada. Any chance of shipping here and costs? Would custom fees, etc be including in shipping costs?
    I've made the leap. Will let you know how that goes.

    .... from Canada (Toronto)

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    Quote Originally Posted by baymoe View Post
    I've made the leap. Will let you know how that goes.

    .... from Canada (Toronto)
    ....Plus one. The Gloworm X-2 seems to be designed specifically to my own personally preferences. With that in mind it would be totally rude of me not to order one, hence I's laying me moneys down. This lamp appears to do everything I could want a lamp to do other than dance a two step ( )

    For the record, those requirements were:
    1) user replaceable optics
    2) wired remote
    3) multiple mode menu
    4) the ability to throw a nice long beam pattern
    5) off set ( and tilt-able... I think ) mounting
    6) runs off a standard MS/BR battery/cable setup
    7) reasonable price
    8) 14 day, no questions asked return policy

    Gloworm did I leave anything out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    ....Plus one. The Gloworm X-2 seems to be designed specifically to my own personally preferences. With that in mind it would be totally rude of me not to order one, hence I's laying me moneys down. This lamp appears to do everything I could want a lamp to do other than dance a two step ( )

    For the record, those requirements were:
    1) user replaceable optics
    2) wired remote
    3) multiple mode menu
    4) the ability to throw a nice long beam pattern
    5) off set ( and tilt-able... I think ) mounting
    6) runs off a standard MS/BR battery/cable setup
    7) reasonable price
    8) 14 day, no questions asked return policy

    Gloworm did I leave anything out?
    Hi All

    @Cat-man-do - I don't think you missed anything. I aim was to design a light that covered most of the needs of most users. So I'm glad we've ticked all your boxes. By the way we're currently working on the electronics for the two step

    @matchpoint - Yes we can ship to Canada, it will be $25NZD. Unfortunately the fees/taxes at the border are your responsibility - sorry.

    Now, I went out and brought a lux meter in the weekend. Using the approximate mtbr settings for measuring lux I conducted some measurements of the X2 lux output. Setup was as follows (as you'll see in the pics) 10ft x 10ft room, light and meter side by side 5ft from ceiling, ceiling white, walls light colour. Measurement taken 30 sec after light was turned on. (Please note the board was placed on a box to raise it to the correct height).

    The result was 126 (MTBR) lux. If we compare that to Francios' table using the relationship of MTBR Lux x 10 to determine lumens - the X2 puts out 1260 lumens.

    As a comprison the last photo is the MTBR Lux generated by the Gemini Titan - 60 Lux



    Enjoy - comparison photos/weights coming soon.

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    Bruce - Can you show a photo of the lighthead mounted to a helmet? Thanks!

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    I have one concern regarding the mount. My handlebars are curved and I see no way of making left/right adjustments. With the Magic Shine 808 clones I currently have, the mounting is secured to the bottom with a screw. I can always loosen that up and make left/right adjustments. This would pretty much make the light useless for me unless I can point it straight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchpoint View Post
    I have one concern regarding the mount. My handlebars are curved and I see no way of making left/right adjustments. With the Magic Shine 808 clones I currently have, the mounting is secured to the bottom with a screw. I can always loosen that up and make left/right adjustments. This would pretty much make the light useless for me unless I can point it straight.
    Glad I won't have that problem but a good point to make. Another good reason to have a screw hole under the lamp in case you need an alternate mounting solution. The only thing I can suggest might be the Niterider universal off-set mount. You could try gluing a Niterider quick-release clip to underneath the lamp or go the industrial velcro route. I use one of these mounts with a Bikeray IV but the BR does have a bottom screw which makes it easier.

    Anyway you can include a photo of your handlebars to show us what you're dealing with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Glad I won't have that problem but a good point to make. Another good reason to have a screw hole under the lamp in case you need an alternate mounting solution. The only thing I can suggest might be the Niterider universal off-set mount. You could try gluing a Niterider quick-release clip to underneath the lamp or go the industrial velcro route. I use one of these mounts with a Bikeray IV but the BR does have a bottom screw which makes it easier.

    Anyway you can include a photo of your handlebars to show us what you're dealing with?
    Hi Guys

    Yes I do hear what you are saying. We have reduced the possibility of this problem by designing the bar mount (only 14mm wide at the base) to sit alongside the stem where most bars are flat. The light then centres over the stem thus pointing the light in the correct direction.

    We'll post some pics soon of one of our prototypes mounted on the bars and helmet to provide some real world prespective.

    In the meantime if 'matchpoint' could post a pic of his bars we could assess how the light would best work.

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    I use Easton Monkeylite XC carbon bars and a Titec stem. There is no "flat" past the stem. The bars start to sweep up -8mm past the stem and there is .75mm taper in that distance. Single sided NR mounts always put the light angled slightly off center. The solution for me was to make a "bridge" style mount that attaches to both sides of the bar with light in the middle.

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    You might be able to simply velcro the light to a magicshine rubberband mount. If it's that light, it shouldn' fly off or anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancbiker View Post
    I use Easton Monkeylite XC carbon bars and a Titec stem. There is no "flat" past the stem. The bars start to sweep up -8mm past the stem and there is .75mm taper in that distance. Single sided NR mounts always put the light angled slightly off center. The solution for me was to make a "bridge" style mount that attaches to both sides of the bar with light in the middle.
    dang....8mm isn't much room to work with unless you have the bridge custom made. You could use an extension off the stem like this but it is somewhat bulky.

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    Hello Everyone,

    We have recently had some requests for photos of the X2 mounted on the helmet and bar. So we have used one of our original prototypes to give you an accurate indication of size and profile. Additionally we have added some shots comparing the Gloworm X2 with the Gemini Titan.

    (Please ignore the detail of this particular light as it is prototype version 1 - the actual production prototype can be seen here)

    So here you go....enjoy!





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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hello Everyone,

    We have recently had some requests for photos of the X2 mounted on the helmet and bar. So we have used one of our original prototypes to give you an accurate indication of size and profile. Additionally we have added some shots comparing the Gloworm X2 with the Gemini Titan.

    (Please ignore the detail of this particular light as it is prototype version 1 - the actual production prototype can be seen here)

    So here you go....enjoy!


    This lamp looks so sweet! I can't wait to get it. Sadly there will likely be snow where I am by mid January so I'm in no real hurry. Besides, I don't really ride in winter too much any more unless I get a really nice day. . Anyway, this mounting gives the lamp a very clean look which I just love. I just hope it works as well as it looks.

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    Very nIce light. I would like to see a comparison to a piko. A p7 Gemini Titan is not really good match to compare it to. Anymore specs on the head unit like beam degree and weight?

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    Sure is nice looking. I can't decide whether to buy 1 or 2.
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    Nice to see that the helmet mount gets the light low, off the crown of the helmet.

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    Is there some sort of non-scratching buffer between the handlebar mount and the bar? Looks like metal on metal in the pictures...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemike View Post
    Is there some sort of non-scratching buffer between the handlebar mount and the bar? Looks like metal on metal in the pictures...
    I'm sure there is, but at the VERY least you could just wrap a little innertube around the bar.


    Vag and Bruce - I'm curious if you measured your LUX from the Titan as well. It would be nice to know the numbers, same room, same conditions, for comparison.

    Also, I really like the rubberband mount that's offset and 'up'. It looks real versatile that you can tilt it forward a bit. One of the biggest problems that I have is a 'fender shadow'. I live in an extremely muddy area so I have to run gigantic fenders (like the THE fender) and this should help to minimize that issue.
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    Hello There,

    Well it's good to finally get the photos up of the X2 mounted in a real life application. We think it looks great - as do a few of you

    @gticlay - I will get some shots of the P7 Titan Lux measurement tonight (in the same conditions etc).

    @cdalemike - Yes there will be a rubber mounting pad attached to the base of the mount. As the lamp in the picture is the 1st prototype there are few details that were not added before testing.

    @anekin007 - Beam angle is specified at 23deg for the spot/flood combo and 20deg for the spot/spot. However the spot/flood seems a little wider as the edges of the beam are 'softer'. In regards to the piko, yes a comparison would be good, but unfotunately we do not have one to compare with yet (a Xera would also be nice to make a comparison with). The comparison between the X2 and the Titan was used as most people can relate to the size of the titan/magicshine 808 etc. Weight wise - there will be scale photos soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hi Guys

    Yes I do hear what you are saying. We have reduced the possibility of this problem by designing the bar mount
    Can we substitute that word with this one - eliminated

    Here is one of my bike with similar issues. Other bikes have similar issue. Can't post images or links due to low post count. Copy and Paste please.
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    Btw, the light looks great mounted. Nice and small. Got pictures of what the battery would look like?

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    Hi Everyone

    Here is a direct MTBR Lux comparison between our old light - Gloworm Lite (Gemini Titan) and the Gloworm X2. Setup as detailed here.



    Thanks

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    Hi Vag, Bruce,

    I have just come to this thread so apologies if this has already been covered but I didn't see it when I read all the posts.

    What is the length of the power lead to the battery? I am specifically interested in regard to the helmet mounting option because I wouldn't want to mount a 4-cell battery on my helmet. My existing helmet light uses a 2-cell battery and I put that in my back pocket and run an extension lead to the light.

    If the lead isn't long enough for this are you going to offer and extension cable option?

    Great light by the way and an almost incredible price!

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    The only thing that's really bugging me is the whole non-optional remote thing. I ride in the day and at night so I'm constantly mounting and removing my lights. I can already see the thing getting ripped off of mine.
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    Hi Vag and Bruce. I am very tempted with what looks like a very nice light. Any Idea on postage cost to the UK ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    The only thing that's really bugging me is the whole non-optional remote thing. I ride in the day and at night so I'm constantly mounting and removing my lights. I can already see the thing getting ripped off of mine.
    Clay, I am pretty sure that perhaps in a version 2 this might become a reality. Hopefully anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    The only thing that's really bugging me is the whole non-optional remote thing. I ride in the day and at night so I'm constantly mounting and removing my lights. I can already see the thing getting ripped off of mine.
    I have two Lupines that both have remote switches and after each ride I take the bar light off and it has been three years of doing this and never had an issue. So I hope the gloworm light will hold up too. I always take my lights off the bar each time I finish a night ride. The lupines do have a really beefy cable compared to what this cable looks like though. These cables look to be the same as the magicshines which I have one of too and they feel weaker than lupines, but I am still going to buy one of these. The remote switches make the light so much more appealing, even when helmet mounting a light with this switch it makes it much easier to use. If you havent tried a light with one you really need to try it out before condemning it.

    If I go out on a 1 hour night ride I adjust my light's brightness several dozen times during the ride and the bar mount especially without ever taking my hand from my grip. Dimming to low as I am about to climb a hill and other times going between 60-100 percent brightness depending on what part of the trail I am on and making these adjustments seamlessly as I ride. I can't imagine riding without remote switches at this point. It would be like not having automatic window controls in my car, sure I could reach across the car and manually roll down the passenger side window, but it wouldnt be convenient and I would do it far less than I wanted to.

    Anyway I am going to get this light because it meets my requirements.

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    Hello,

    Vag here. It has been a while that I did not write. It's a great feeling to see all these positive comments coming.

    Let me answer some questions:

    @ overthehill
    Total length of the battery cable from the housing to the plug is 10cm. An extension cable is provided of course.

    @ yetibetty
    Bruce has send you a PM some hours ago regarding shipping. Not much difference with the USA one.

    @ gticlay and MaximusHQ
    Regarding the switch, what MaximusHQ described was the main thought behind our decision. I believe that the first ones who will get the X2 in their hands will be able to give us more feedback after using.

    Regarding the cable quality, we have done quite some research here before deciding on the build and what I can tell you for sure is that your cable won't be ripped that easily. We have worked to design our own splitters and stress reliefs that will last for long.

    Also note that in the, rare I believe, case of any problem with your cable (or light) our customer service will be there to work out a fast solution.

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    Will it be possible to use a Lupine Piko bar mount with the X2?

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    Great to see you back on the forums, congrats on your new venture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frede View Post
    Will it be possible to use a Lupine Piko bar mount with the X2?
    Seems like the reverse might be better . . . Piko on the helmet, Gloworm on the bar?

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    I really like the sound of everything marketed in this thread, but I will refrain from a purchase until I've got some unbiased field reports on durability and longevity. Unless of course the MFG is willing to provide me a unit to test for them

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Seems like the reverse might be better . . . Piko on the helmet, Gloworm on the bar?
    Sorry, I meant using the bar mount made for the Piko, instead of the o-ring mount that comes with the X2

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    I went ahead ahead and ordered one seeing that the light met all my requirements and at a great price. I will give feedback when I receive it.

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    Is it just me or does the pre-sale X2 price keep going up by around a dollar every day. I swear it was 151 and some change just a day or so ago. Now, I am seeing 153.75. Perhaps every day that gets closer to ship date adds another dollar to the price :') Yes, I have US as the currency chosen...

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    It's still $199 and $125 NZD. It's probably the exchange rate changing. They just announced The Hobbit movie so myabe NZD is going up from that I heard Gandalf will be using Gloworm lights on his staff...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    It's still $199 and $125 NZD. It's probably the exchange rate changing. They just announced The Hobbit movie so myabe NZD is going up from that I heard Gandalf will be using Gloworm lights on his staff...
    Hi Everyone,

    How did you find out about Gandalfs staff??? That was top secret.

    Spot on about the price - the site is based in NZ and therefore centres around the NZD hence why the USD changes slightly on a daily basis. Works the same way as Chain Reaction Cycles in the UK.

    @Frede - Unfortunately our design is not compatible with the Piko bar mount. Our design actually provides a wider profile on the bar to ensure stability and the mount has small 'axle' (supported by 2 o-rings) that slides into the housing. This also helps with the strength, rigidness and stability. The whole unit is then held together by a custom stainless steel M3 bolt that is 18mm long.

    @MaximusHQ - Order received! Can't wait to ship them out.

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    OMG, it is up to 154.01 since the last time I checked 30 minutes ago (when it was 153.75). At this rate, I should order quickly before the exchange rate goes up any further :')

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdalemike View Post
    OMG, it is up to 154.01 since the last time I checked 30 minutes ago (when it was 153.75). At this rate, I should order quickly before the exchange rate goes up any further :')
    ...that's one way to look at it. Another is that the exchange rate "might" dive and go the other way. If it does you might save some bucks. One thing is clear though, if you wait till after Jan 20th you will likely be paying more. All things considered, if you like what you see from the prototype go ahead and buy it. You still get 17 days after you get it to decide whether or not it makes your day ( or if it makes your night to be more accurate ) For me that was very much a part of the deciding factor.

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    If only you could have ordered it on November 27th....

    Exchange Rates Graph (American Dollar, New Zealand Dollar) - 30 days - x-rates
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    What keeps a compact light like this from constantly overheating? Honest question if Cat-man-do or anyone else has an answer. Looks awesome, but a lot of lumens in a small package which concerns me.
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    Hello,

    Happy holidays to everybody.


    @ GEOMAN:
    Thanks for your wishes,it's good to be around the forums again.

    @stumble mumble
    I can talk about X2 while I am sure other members will have more to add.

    What keeps X2 from constantly overheating:
    1. Electronics efficiency (More efficient, less heat coming out of electronics. Our circuit is designed in New Zealand made to fit exactly the X2 needs)
    2. LED efficiency (XM-L ia a very efficient LED, the best in the market at this moment means it can deliver more lumens by producing less heat)
    3. Surface and fins (generally the more surface the less hot your light gets)
    4. Housing Design

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumblemumble View Post
    What keeps a compact light like this from constantly overheating? Honest question if Cat-man-do or anyone else has an answer. Looks awesome, but a lot of lumens in a small package which concerns me.
    A good question...Since you didn't ask, I will: Does this light include a thermal monitoring circuit? While I think it probably will, I am placing more faith in the build and the fact that it looks well designed ( lots of fins ). Plus you have to consider that the people selling the light want to make money. As such am sure they don't plan on having people return them simply because the lamp can't dissipate the heat properly.

    Lastly, I own a couple LED lamps with small form factors. Yes, they do get hot. Knowing when to use the high modes and when to power down makes a big difference. Just keep moving and you should be fine. As with all new light systems it is always nice to see how well they perform in warmer climates, especially if you happen to live in a desert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Does this light include a thermal monitoring circuit?
    Of course it does It's a basic function.

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    Maybe i missed it in the thread, how well is the beam pattern for commuting? The majority of my riding is in the evenings.

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    The only way to monitor battery life would be using your specific battery right? I mean, no led in the switch indicating any battery levels? I'm asking since i'll be using my own batteries I have lying around.

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    Is the standard configuration one flood and one spot?

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    Waterproof? I think so!

    Hi Everyone,

    I do hope everyone had a great Xmas and a happy and safe NY!

    I thought I'd give you all a wee treat and show you just how waterproof the X2 really is!

    Also (@Leethal) the standard light config is spot/flood - when ordering you can order either another spot or flood lens, complimentary

    For commuting, I personally like the flood/flood setup at lower power. Still great throw for the road but also good flood thus allowing greater visibility of you and for you.

    @Matchpoint - Yes the only battery inidcation built into this light is on the battery itself.

    So here we go - underwater photos................



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
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    [email protected] - Yes the only battery indication built into this light is on the battery itself.

    So here we go - underwater photos................

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    Hummm...guess that one got by me. I didn't know there were no on-board battery indicators. My other remote light has the indicators on the remote. Not a deal breaker as I see it since I really don't like voltage monitors per say anyway. Once the temperatures begin to drop they never really seem to work right anyway. Still, most people seem to want them. So far in all the discussions about the X2, this is the only negative I've seen so far. For the die-hards that insist on voltage feedback you can always order with the battery or purchase another battery that includes a built in voltage led feedback array. Personally I should be fine without it.

    This does preclude another related question though.. Does the X2 have a flash or strobe warning when the voltage is very low? If so is this circuitry in the battery or in the light head?

    Now about the underwater test: How long did you run the light underwater?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat-man-do View Post
    Hummm...guess that one got by me. I didn't know there were no on-board battery indicators. My other remote light has the indicators on the remote. Not a deal breaker as I see it since I really don't like voltage monitors per say anyway. Once the temperatures begin to drop they never really seem to work right anyway. Still, most people seem to want them. So far in all the discussions about the X2, this is the only negative I've seen so far. For the die-hards that insist on voltage feedback you can always order with the battery or purchase another battery that includes a built in voltage led feedback array. Personally I should be fine without it.

    This does preclude another related question though.. Does the X2 have a flash or strobe warning when the voltage is very low? If so is this circuitry in the battery or in the light head?

    Now about the underwater test: How long did you run the light underwater?
    Thanks for the comments Cat-man-do..........

    We had considered an indicator on the lamphead however when worn on the helmet this is as good as an inidcator on the battery sitting in your bag - you can't see it, so it has no real function. When in use on the bar, our battery with the indicator should be visible.

    The light is made to be used with our batteries and therefore as a set it does have voltage monitoring capability. However as an additional fail safe the light will tell you when it is getting low on battery power (voltage). It will flash briefly (high low high low - but not off) then it will begin dimming itself by dropping current. Based on the light runnning at max current it would take about 3min until the light turns itself off.

    Now a real life situtation dictates that if you are still 30min from your car and your light flashed, you'd switch your light to 'dim' mode to maintain light for the maximum amount of time. This programming is contained in the light itself and theoretically will work with other brand batteries.

    As for the 'waterproof' test - it was left there for an hour. No water ingress. Next test will be at a depth no more than 1m. After all, it's a cycling light - not a diving light

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    .... However as an additional fail safe the light will tell you when it is getting low on battery power (voltage). It will flash briefly (high low high low - but not off) then it will begin dimming itself by dropping current. Based on the light runnning at max current it would take about 3min until the light turns itself off.

    Now a real life situtation dictates that if you are still 30min from your car and your light flashed, you'd switch your light to 'dim' mode to maintain light for the maximum amount of time. This programming is contained in the light itself and theoretically will work with other brand batteries.

    As for the [B]'waterproof' test - it was left there for an hour[B]. No water ingress. Next test will be at a depth no more than 1m. After all, it's a cycling light - not a diving light

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    Excellent! Yes indeed, a flash warning is a "Must Have" feature. Way more important that the stupid led monitors in my book. As you said, once you get the flash you ( manually ) drop to a lower light level and start back or get your back-up ready.

    Double thumbs-up on the water immersion test! One hour is good enough for me. ( Actually I would of been fine with just 15 minutes )...

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    Nicely done.

    Would it be possible to get the toggle swtich and battery submerssion test? IME water ingress that has caused my systems to fail in the past have stemmed from either one or both of these areas. Cheers.

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    Thanks Bruce @ Glowworm for doing this test and giving info on the low battery. Also thanks to cat and others for coming up with great questions that are important. Not having a battery indicator on the lighthead is not an issue for me. I hope this proves to be as perfect a helmet light as it sounds to me.

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    That's good to hear. As long as there is some warning of low voltage I'm good with that. Just don't want the lights to suddenly switch off when I'm speeding downhill in dark So the mount is my only issue left.

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    Are presale orders still on schedule to ship by Jan 20th?

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    I'd love to order one, but I have a few questions....what does this look like on the headstrap mount?? How is the remote switch positioned?? I'd be switching from bar mounts to a headstrap several times a week. I'm in Alaska and skijor with my husky or my fatbike on the trails....and it's always dark and cold this time of year. Additionally, the website crashes when I choose the headstrap option...can I PM my info??

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    I'd like to preorder but an important question.

    NZ GST is 15% and by NZ law the advertised price of goods and services include GST. Its not clear on your page (changing the currency on the gloworm website does not result in removing the GST), when someone pre-orders from overseas do we get the GST back as required by law? Foreign orders don't pay GST and you cannot pocket GST as profit.

    E-commerce and GST (E-commerce and tax)

    goods are sold over the internet and physically supplied to customers overseas the sales can be zero-rated for GST purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syadasti View Post
    I'd like to preorder but an important question.

    NZ GST is 15% and by NZ law the advertised price of goods and services include GST. Its not clear on your page (changing the currency on the gloworm website does not result in removing the GST), when someone pre-orders from overseas do we get the GST back as required by law? Foreign orders don't pay GST and you cannot pocket GST as profit.

    E-commerce and GST (E-commerce and tax)
    Well, that's easy. 15% "foreign order handling charge". Done
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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    Well, that's easy. 15% "foreign order handling charge". Done
    I've ordered direct from HIDTech (AU) and Adventure Lighting Products (NZ). Their prices by law show the price with GST. When your order they remove the GST but shipping charges cost more than national shipments. $25 shipping for the gloworm sounds fair.

    It could just be a website legal error, its a new venture. Right now going from one currency to the other on the website results in a direct conversion rather than with or without GST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syadasti View Post
    I've ordered direct from HIDTech (AU) and Adventure Lighting Products (NZ). Their prices by law show the price with GST. When your order they remove the GST but shipping charges cost more than national shipments. $25 shipping for the gloworm sounds fair.

    It could just be a website legal error, its a new venture. Right now going from one currency to the other on the website results in a direct conversion rather than with or without GST.
    Ok, ok, ok... when you live in NZ, it's "GST", whe you order from outside of NZ, it's simply "General Shipping Tack-on".
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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    Well, that's easy. 15% "foreign order handling charge". Done
    I love your sense of humour!

    Here is the deal about NZD, GST etc.

    1. The website is based in NZD, and the curreny selectors function is to do a direct conversion. Tax is determined by country of residence based on delivery address. This alone will remove tax from the order. You will notice when the order is processed and the summary of costs comes up there is no tax indicated if your delivery address is outside NZ. If your delivery address was in NZ then it would show tax at 15% - I have just tested this.

    2. The X2 is a product of Microchina (TA Gloworm Manufacturing) and as such will be shipped direct from Hong Kong during the presale phase and for a few weeks thereafter. As a result no GST/TAX will be included in any X2 transaction. Once international distributors have been commissioned the price of the X2 will be fixed and will include any local taxes (if any). Future retail prices are as follows NZD$249, USD$199, AUD$195, GBP129.

    3. Post presale, we will also commission a Gloworm Manufacturing website.

    4. If you happen to buy other products from the current site you will not be charged Tax.

    I hope that clears up a few things.

    By the way, we are still on track to ship on 20th January

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw View Post
    Nicely done.

    Would it be possible to get the toggle swtich and battery submerssion test? IME water ingress that has caused my systems to fail in the past have stemmed from either one or both of these areas. Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw View Post
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    Hey,

    Sorry missed that one Chromagftw.

    We will get those done for you soon. I do however have the same confidence in those parts.

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    Crikey now what do I do? I've been looking at designshine's (pethelman) #2 build of the DS-1300 with interest over the last six weeks or so and have watched his "does it blend" water submersion test with a wry smile. I had practically set my mind on buying two. But now I see just how well the X2 is coming along I have to wonder. Plus, when I consider the price differential and the fact that a wired remote comes as standard and the necessity of new 6 cell batteries to get the most from the light (due to the treble LED in series design) I'm starting to wonder if a couple of X2s is all I'd need... As a commuter, primarily, I see the only disadvantage with the X2 cf the DS-1300 (or indeed almost any light compared with designshine DS-1300) is the side-on illumination.

    Moreover, there hasn't been nearly as much activity on the designshine thread as this one... I don't think he's set the final price yet. I bird in the hand, and all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Crikey now what do I do? I've been looking at designshine's (pethelman) #2 build of the DS-1300 with interest over the last six weeks or so and have watched his "does it blend" water submersion test with a wry smile. I had practically set my mind on buying two. But now I see just how well the X2 is coming along I have to wonder. Plus, when I consider the price differential and the fact that a wired remote comes as standard and the necessity of new 6 cell batteries to get the most from the light (due to the treble LED in series design) I'm starting to wonder if a couple of X2s is all I'd need... As a commuter, primarily, I see the only disadvantage with the X2 cf the DS-1300 (or indeed almost any light compared with designshine DS-1300) is the side-on illumination.

    Moreover, there hasn't been nearly as much activity on the designshine thread as this one... I don't think he's set the final price yet. I bird in the hand, and all...
    not to dig the gloworm in any way (it looks like a really cool light), but you shouldn't underestimate the importance of side visibility in a bar mounted commuter light. I had to switch my commuter light from the bar to my helmet as I was getting a lot of problems at junctions. Now I just wave my helmet light back and forth across their screen and they usually stop. A DS1300 on the bar and one of these on the helmet with spot/spot reflectors would be an awesome combination..

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattthemuppet View Post
    not to dig the gloworm in any way (it looks like a really cool light), but you shouldn't underestimate the importance of side visibility in a bar mounted commuter light. I had to switch my commuter light from the bar to my helmet as I was getting a lot of problems at junctions. Now I just wave my helmet light back and forth across their screen and they usually stop. A DS1300 on the bar and one of these on the helmet with spot/spot reflectors would be an awesome combination..
    exactly re. side visibility. Hence, even though I could almost get three of these (flood^2 on the bar, spot^2 on the lid, one spare) for less than the price of a Designshine DS-1300 with optional remote and a specific 3 cell battery and charger. I'm still dithering. I just wish he'd gone with a simpler twin XM-L... Less forward-voltage so more efficient driver-wise, less components to go wrong etc... I know that he wants to differentiate his effort from the "pack" but the DS-1300 can't run at full power from a standard 2S2P battery pack (of which I can easily get 4 for $100) without any risk of over-stressing the driver board, apparently, and I have to knock it down to 900lm to be safe which kind of defeats the purpose of purchasing a bright light in the first place.

    And now i've seen their 1hr water test (admittedly not on a sold model) it's made me all the more confident of their initial design.

    egads... Choice eh? Isn't it great.

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    @Gloworm:

    I see you have flood lenses but any chance of an elliptical lens? I'd like an elliptical lens for commuter use and safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattthemuppet View Post
    not to dig the gloworm in any way (it looks like a really cool light), but you shouldn't underestimate the importance of side visibility in a bar mounted commuter light. I had to switch my commuter light from the bar to my helmet as I was getting a lot of problems at junctions. Now I just wave my helmet light back and forth across their screen and they usually stop. A DS1300 on the bar and one of these on the helmet with spot/spot reflectors would be an awesome combination..
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    @syadasti

    What do they look like parked at a major junction for just over three minutes before the traffic lights change back to green in your favour?
    LED Xmas lights I assume, I've never used them.

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    @syadasti

    What do they look like parked at a major junction for just over three minutes before the traffic lights change back to green in your favour?

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    Any chance of a video showing the different modes? I can't seem to find anything online that shows what "Flash (2Hz)" looks like. I'm used to the strobe mode which worked pretty well, at least for me, during daytime.

    Edit: Found out that 2Hz is 120 bpm so it blinks twice per second. Is that the same as the MagicShine Tailight that I have? It Blinks then Strobes. I need to film it then play it back....
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    Good news folks, gloworm have told me that the elliptical lens 'will definitely fit but have not tested it yet.'

    Elliptical are good for commuters because they lower the forward intensity but widen the lateral intensity. Turning a 10 degree cone of light into a horizontal 30 degree cone. Very wide and good for angle-on visibility. I use them with my MJ-816 every night.

    @gloworm. I'm sure you're busy, but any chance of getting one in and giving a few beam shots for us roadies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Good news folks, gloworm have told me that the elliptical lens 'will definitely fit but have not tested it yet.'

    Elliptical are good for commuters because they lower the forward intensity but widen the lateral intensity. Turning a 10 degree cone of light into a horizontal 30 degree cone. Very wide and good for angle-on visibility. I use them with my MJ-816 every night.

    @gloworm. I'm sure you're busy, but any chance of getting one in and giving a few beam shots for us roadies?
    Hello,

    Some elliptical lenses are on the way to us for testing. We'll let you know the resutls.

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    Weird... My post is gone or never got posted, so I'll write it again.

    The more I hear about these gloworms, the more I feel like splashing out on a set.

    I am also considering a couple of DS-1300s because, build wise, they seem to be the Range Rover of homemade lights. But for less than 20,000 yen, I'm definitely going to consider two of these, also, one with an extra spot lens and one with an extra elliptical lens since the introductory price is so flipping keen!

    I'll run the elliptical on the bar and the double spot on my helmet; on flash in the city and full time in the dark/offroad.

    I have two questions.

    1) What is the current drain (wattage) of the system at the various power levels (including flash and super dim?) and thus what the run time can I expect from a well kept Magicshine 4400 battery pack.

    2) Since the cable is only 10cm long, if I purchase two light heads only, can I get two extension cords thrown in?

    thx.

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    PM sent about additions to pre-order.

    Also - i've been looking around but not seen it yet - did i miss the pics of the battery pack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Weird... My post is gone or never got posted, so I'll write it again.

    The more I hear about these gloworms, the more I feel like splashing out on a set.

    I am also considering a couple of DS-1300s because, build wise, they seem to be the Range Rover of homemade lights. But for less than 20,000 yen, I'm definitely going to consider two of these, also, one with an extra spot lens and one with an extra elliptical lens since the introductory price is so flipping keen!

    I'll run the elliptical on the bar and the double spot on my helmet; on flash in the city and full time in the dark/offroad.

    I have two questions.

    1) What is the current drain (wattage) of the system at the various power levels (including flash and super dim?) and thus what the run time can I expect from a well kept Magicshine 4400 battery pack.

    2) Since the cable is only 10cm long, if I purchase two light heads only, can I get two extension cords thrown in?

    thx.
    Hey,

    I have attached below the X2 programme chart which details lumens and runtime.



    The X2 comes pre-loaded with four programmes that are refined for the specific adventure. Each programme features ‘Normal Operation Modes’ (NOM) and one ‘Special Mode’ (SM). The SM is accessed with a 2 second pressof the remote switch from any NOM. A simple CLICK of the remote switch will return the X2 to NOM. Cycling through NOM is achieved by a CLICK. Switching the unit off is acheived by holding the switch down for about 4 seconds. The TRAIL Programme has been optimised for mountain biking.

    The Gloworm Battery is a 5800 mAh li-Ion battery, packed with 4 Panasonic Cells. If you intend to use a lower capacity battery the runtime will obviously be lower. For example you will get about 75% of the runtime using a 4400mAhr.

    @GraXXor - Yes an extension cable will be included!

    @NitroRC Ed - We did not want to release a pic of the battery pack until we had the final production version. Our battery pack is unique to the industry. It is a hard case battery similar to gemini/lupine. It has a voltage inidicator on the battery and is waterproof. The uniquness comes in the 'feel'. it has the 'sticky/tactile' feel of rubber, but is hard and protective like plastic. Additionally is had a square loop to hold the velcro strap.

    The battery has just finished being manufactrured and looks great! Photos to come very soon!

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    That is great news. Do you have a more realistic ship date for those that have made the preorder (myself included).

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    Quote Originally Posted by baymoe View Post
    That is great news. Do you have a more realistic ship date for those that have made the preorder (myself included).
    Our aim is still the 20th......and we're on track. We will advise immediately if this can not be acheived for some reason

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    Do those various boost modes work well without overheating or is the high-mode recommended for slow-speed technical riding?

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    This seems like a pretty versatile light that I can also use for camping/hiking, etc....gonna order a 2nd one for helmet/redunduncy or to let a friend borrow in case of emergency.

    Is it possible to edit the modes? Like say for COMMUTER if I wanted STROBE as the special mode and 1200-1300 Lumens for BOOST mode. I would want the brightest possible for my commutes at night in the city and really like the strobe for day time (brighter and less energy consumption on this model). It seems the light has all the modes I would want and need except they're not in the same category and switching to them would be time consuming.

    Strobe - Dim - Boost is all I really see myself using regularly day in day out. So having those in one Category would be ideal for me. Other modes would be handy for times when I need them and wouldn't care if it took a while to get to them.

    That would make it perfect in my books....minus the mount issue still which I can somehow manage....
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    On a different tack, have you tested it mounted next to a wireless bike computer, my Magicshine's remote, caused a little interference with my cateye at low light modes, so I mounted the computer as far away as I could.

    Any testing done?


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    @gloworm.

    Thanks for the run time data. It looks like its pulling a shade over 2A @ 1000 lumens, doesn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    @gloworm.

    Thanks for the run time data. It looks like its pulling a shade over 2A @ 1000 lumens, doesn't it?
    From the Gloworm site:

    Trail - Low>High>Boost. Special mode>Super Dim (Boost 2 Amps)
    Commute - Low>High>Boost. Special mode>Flash (2Hz) (Boost 1.7 Amps)
    Adventure - Super Dim>Low>High. Special mode>Strobe (High 1.5 Amps)
    Bush - High>Boost. Special mode>Super Dim (High 2.2 Amps - designed to be used periodically for long distance spotting)

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    Going to be interesting to watch...

    and see what effect Chinese New Year has on the shipping of these presale orders that are supposed to start shipping on Jan 20th (Fri). Chinese New Year this year is Jan 23 (Mon)

    The X2 is a product of Microchina (TA Gloworm Manufacturing) and as such will be shipped direct from Hong Kong during the presale phase and for a few weeks thereafter.
    That whole part of the world pretty much shuts down for a week or two for the new year.




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    Quote Originally Posted by scar View Post
    and see what effect Chinese New Year has on the shipping of these presale orders that are supposed to start shipping on Jan 20th (Fri). Chinese New Year this year is Jan 23 (Mon)

    The X2 is a product of Microchina (TA Gloworm Manufacturing) and as such will be shipped direct from Hong Kong during the presale phase and for a few weeks thereafter.
    That whole part of the world pretty much shuts down for a week or two for the new year.

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    @Cmd

    Chinese New year usually hovers around the beginning of February... but this year, the year of the Dragon, I believe it's January 23rd, one of the "earliest" -from a western point of view- Chinese News years for quite some time and some to come. So if the factories observe a traditional shutdown around that time, then there may well be some disruption, seeing as shipping is set for the 20th.

    @Matchpoint

    From the Gloworm site:
    Trail - Low>High>Boost. Special mode>Super Dim (Boost 2 Amps)
    Commute - Low>High>Boost. Special mode>Flash (2Hz) (Boost 1.7 Amps)
    Adventure - Super Dim>Low>High. Special mode>Strobe (High 1.5 Amps)
    Bush - High>Boost. Special mode>Super Dim (High 2.2 Amps - designed to be used periodically for long distance spotting)

    Thanks for the fish, but IINM that is listing the LED drive current per XM-L which has already been discussed earlier in this forum. However, you'll notice that I'm talking about the system current, as driven from a 2SxP LiO/LiPO battery ala. Magicshine / Geoman ad-nauseum.

    If you can find *that* page on their website then I will be impressed!

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    C'mon Cat,

    Originally posted by Cat-man-do
    Now why'd you have to go and say that.
    you have been around here long enough to know that you always have to be thinking about that this time of year



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    Hi Everyone,

    Yes, Chinese NY has been a pressing issue - hence the shipping date was set as the 20th.

    As stated before we are still on track to get the presale units out on or before this date.

    @GraXXor - Our circuitry supplies 2A to both XML LEDs in series at BOOST in trail mode. Giving 1200 lumens. The runtimes have been derived based on this in addition to realtime tests. Each mode of each programme was tested to detrmine runtime. The average result of testing was actually a small % longer in duration than that published, however the minimum was as stated.

    In regards to the interference - the product has been designed to minimise 'noise' produced by the electronics. We have tested it alongside a couple of wireless speedometers without any interference, but as I understand the frequencies of such units does vary.

    @syadasti - At Boost mode in Trail Programme (1200 lumens) you will be able to use on tight slow single track without thermal cut back (as long as there is airflow over the unit and the ambient temperature is not extreme). However it is recommended that when stopping, the light is dropped to a lower setting.

    @Matchpoint - The 4 provided modes have been set and at this stage cannot be edited. I definitley see the benefit of this function and it will be a consideration as the product is developed and refined further. The Programmes as stated above were determined after discussions with groups of outdoor enthusiasts and cyclists.

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    Hi Bruce, Vag,

    I'm considering to buy one of this lights on pre-sale too and the kit without the charger and the battery, could you send me the link for this option?
    As I have two Geoman batteries I'm thinking to use one on the bar with MJ-872 and the other one with X2.

    Amazing light BTW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wriggle View Post
    I'm considering to buy one of this lights on pre-sale too and the kit without the charger and the battery, could you send me the link for this option?
    Its listed on the website:

    Gloworm Performance Products - Gloworm X2 - Light Only - Presales

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    Yeah, I know that, but I want the helmet and bar mounts and the extension cord. The link shows the light only without the extra accessories!

    EDIT: Bruce answered me: YES, it came with the mounts and the extension cord.
    Thank you very much Gloworm!
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    When does the pre-sale price expire? The holiday$$ took a bite out of my wallet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwchisme View Post
    When does the pre-sale price expire? The holiday$$ took a bite out of my wallet.
    I assume it will ends when they start the shipments at Jan 20th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwchisme View Post
    When does the pre-sale price expire? The holiday$$ took a bite out of my wallet.
    The Gloworm web site still list the X2 as "presales" so you should be good.

    ( Now with all this "Presales" stuff going on, I really think Gloworm would be smart to continue the present price ( at least during an initial product launch phase ) *if they really want to make some money. Besides, there are other similar competing products right now already on the market....but WTH do I know, I'm just a bike night riding freak. )
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    I believe they said that that the no GST price will continue until the device is shipped and "a little while thereafter." I think they haven't got their distributors in order yet.

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    Ordered two X2s... One with an extra elliptical lens and one with an extra spot!

    Here's hoping they ship on the 20th!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GraXXoR View Post
    Ordered two X2s... One with an extra elliptical lens and one with an extra spot!

    Here's hoping they ship on the 20th!
    Hey GraXXoR, great to see you've ordered your lights!

    Just a quick update for everyone. We are on track to get the lights out on time to all you lucky ones who have preordered.

    Also we have made a small change to the commute programme. The flash mode is now 700 lumens and will last for 9hours, as opposed to the original 300 lumens and 12 hours.

    We look forward to getting the X2s out there and into your hands.

    BTW - we have done a submersion test with the battery, tick. Photos soon, we're just putting the finishing touches on the aesthetics.

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    Well I for one am very curious about these lights, but I have to admit that I'm pretty skeptical of new products . . . I will be waiting to hear results of long-term tests on these before I delve into one. On paper, they really do sound fantastic though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Well I for one am very curious about these lights, but I have to admit that I'm pretty skeptical of new products . . . I will be waiting to hear results of long-term tests on these before I delve into one. On paper, they really do sound fantastic though.
    I usually wait, too, but I wanted a light now and these sound really good, so I took the plunge and ordered one up! You ride near me, I think (I live in Agoura Hills and ride Palo/Cheeseboro, Backbone, Sycamore, etc.), so if you want to check it out once I get mine, let me know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by agoura_biker View Post
    I usually wait, too, but I wanted a light now and these sound really good, so I took the plunge and ordered one up! You ride near me, I think (I live in Agoura Hills and ride Palo/Cheeseboro, Backbone, Sycamore, etc.), so if you want to check it out once I get mine, let me know!
    For sure! PM Sent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Also we have made a small change to the commute programme. The flash mode is now 700 lumens and will last for 9hours, as opposed to the original 300 lumens and 12 hours
    Much better! Thank you for the change. I can now stick with the Commute Program and not have to switch to another one during the day.

    I really like the design shine's yellow acrylic lense cover for daytime use. Any possibility of such upgrades in the future? An acrylic front plate like his would be great for the extra sidespill....

    I don't want to be that guy that has a different light for a different purpose. I much rather have a couple of quality lights that do everything well. Less is more.

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    Went up $2? !


    Edit: was supposed to be a joke
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    Went up $2? !
    Did not go up, as people noted above its tied to the currency:

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    Greetings,
    I have a couple of questions.

    First off, I dont ride MTB at night but do ride my road bike. How are these lights for road riding, mainly suburban roads and darker unlit hilly routes? (Not sure if lights are optimised for trails v's road riding etc)

    Second, cant remember seeing it in the thread, but how does the battery attach to the frame? Is it with velcro wraps, some type of o-ring setup etc.

    I was looking at the new Magicshine MJ-880 but then stumbled across this light. I already have an MJ-808, but know that a lot of well designed products come out of NZ (Thats hard to admit for an aussie ) so am very interested in it.

    There's just so many well priced and well specced LED lights around these days its hard to know which way to jump!

    Does the lamp come with an assortment of different o-ring sizes for handlebar mount? Not sure, but the MTB bars in the pics look much fatter than standard road handle bars.

    One other thing, how do you change between the various programs with this light (Commute, Adventure etc)? I think it is a 2 second press to access the special mode (flashing when in Commute mode etc) but dont remember seeing how to change between program modes.

    cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by tb123 View Post
    Greetings,
    I have a couple of questions.

    First off, I dont ride MTB at night but do ride my road bike. How are these lights for road riding, mainly suburban roads and darker unlit hilly routes? (Not sure if lights are optimised for trails v's road riding etc)

    Second, cant remember seeing it in the thread, but how does the battery attach to the frame? Is it with velcro wraps, some type of o-ring setup etc.

    I was looking at the new Magicshine MJ-880 but then stumbled across this light. I already have an MJ-808, but know that a lot of well designed products come out of NZ (Thats hard to admit for an aussie ) so am very interested in it.

    There's just so many well priced and well specced LED lights around these days its hard to know which way to jump!

    Does the lamp come with an assortment of different o-ring sizes for handlebar mount? Not sure, but the MTB bars in the pics look much fatter than standard road handle bars.

    One other thing, how do you change between the various programs with this light (Commute, Adventure etc)? I think it is a 2 second press to access the special mode (flashing when in Commute mode etc) but dont remember seeing how to change between program modes.

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    Hey,

    Good bunch of questions there! I'll attempt to provide you with some good info.....

    Commuting/Road Riding - I come from a road riding (read - early morning training) background myself, and what I didn't like is a light with a big hot spot and dim halo. When we designed the X2 this was one thing we wanted to eliminate. The beam is smooth and wide plus the with the eliptical lens it makes it even wider. Plus there is a good flash mode built into the commuting programme to alert cars of your whereabouts.

    Battery - The battery is similar in style to Gemini and Lupine. Hard plastic with a loop to secure the unit to a bar or bag strap with the provided velcro. Additionally our batteries feature a rubberised texture providing a great tactile feel!

    NZ Design - The light has been 100% designed in NZ. I designed the housing/mounting systems, while the electronics were arranged by a great engineer (outdoor fanatic) contracted out of Wellington, NZ. I am a rider and runner and understand what is needed in a good light.

    O-rings - The light comes with 2 orings. One for standard bars and one for oversize. The one in the pic are oversize.

    Programme Changing - I have attahced the X2 Operating Instructions HERE. They detail how to change between modes. In reality it takes less than 30 seconds to change between the programmes.

    I hope that answers all your questions.

    Cheers

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    Hi Bruce, thanks for the prompt and informative reply and the link to the docco.

    I think I may just have to buy one!

    Cheers
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    Really tempting. Got three questions.
    1. Cutoff voltage. I like LiPolies over LiIons because even though they are heavier they can be charged in one hour. Would it be ok to use LiPo batteries with this light? What's the cutoff voltage for the battery?
    2. Any info on the tint? Is it neutral white or cool white?
    3. Is there any way of pivoting the light left to right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaVolt View Post
    Really tempting. Got three questions.
    1. Cutoff voltage. I like LiPolies over LiIons because even though they are heavier they can be charged in one hour. Would it be ok to use LiPo batteries with this light? What's the cutoff voltage for the battery?
    2. Any info on the tint? Is it neutral white or cool white?
    3. Is there any way of pivoting the light left to right?
    Hi Megavolt

    1. Batteries are protected at the pack to 5.75v (this is factory the specification). However the X2 also protects the batteries and will not let them go below 6.2v. When the light indicates low battery voltage by emmitting a flash it then commences a step down routine that will have the light extinguishing itself at 6.2v. You can read more about that process in the Operation Instructions at the link above.

    2. The tint is cool white, XML T6 LEDs.

    3. There is no way of piviting the light L/R. Less moving parts the more robust, plus when on the bars it is centred around the stem so 9/10 there is no reason to pivot it.

    I hope that helps!

    Cheers

    Bruce
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Hi Megavolt

    1. Batteries are protected at the pack to 5.75v (this is factory the specification). However the X2 also protects the batteries and will not let them go below 6.2v. When the light indicates low battery voltage by emmitting a flash it then commences a step down routine that will have the light extinguishing itself at 6.2v. You can read more about that process in the Operation Instructions at the link above.

    2. The tint is cool white, XML T6 LEDs.

    3. There is no way of piviting the light L/R. Less moving parts the more robust, plus when on the bars it is centred around the stem so 9/10 there is no reason to pivot it.

    I hope that helps!

    Cheers

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    I would guess all the worries about being able to turn the lighthead left and right are from people that have been using the original design Magicshine, which has such a tiny, narrow beam that it would almost never be pointing in the right place.
    "It looks flexy"

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    Well, I've taken a bit of a leap of faith and ordered one. Looking forward to getting it.

    Hopefully there wont be any "version 1.0" niggles when it goes into full production.

    TB

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    Quote Originally Posted by scar View Post
    and see what effect Chinese New Year has on the shipping of these presale orders that are supposed to start shipping on Jan 20th (Fri). Chinese New Year this year is Jan 23 (Mon)



    That whole part of the world pretty much shuts down for a week or two for the new year.




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    Hi Everyone,

    We have some great news! The light will definetly be ready to ship out on or BEFORE 20th January.

    We've managed to finish before the Chinese NY.

    On other matters - Vag conducted an all night submersion test with the battery............it passed with flying colours! No water ingress. Tick!

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    I would guess all the worries about being able to turn the lighthead left and right are from people that have been using the original design Magicshine, which has such a tiny, narrow beam that it would almost never be pointing in the right place.
    Well... no. A spot is a spot, and a spot on the road is not a great idea for obvious reasons. I usually direct my spotlight a bit to the right when on the road, which is different to when I'm in the forest.

    I also prefer neutral white.

    Pity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaVolt View Post
    Well... no. A spot is a spot, and a spot on the road is not a great idea for obvious reasons. I usually direct my spotlight a bit to the right when on the road, which is different to when I'm in the forest.

    I also prefer neutral white.

    Pity.
    I think the point was that with this light the beam pattern ( even with the spot/ flood combo) is rather wide and usable without having to readjust the positioning all the time. There is no tight bright hotspot and a dim halo surrounding it, the beam is fairly even.
    Last edited by tb123; 01-13-2012 at 01:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloworm Manufacture View Post
    Vag conducted an all night submersion test with the battery............it passed with flying colours! No water ingress. Tick!
    That's good news. What about the control switch itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chromagftw View Post
    That's good news. What about the control switch itself?
    Hello,

    I have contacted several tests for the switch the last two weeks which were successful.

    When it comes to waterproofing there won't be any problem unless you decide to go Scuba Biking

    On behalf of the Gloworm Manufacturing team
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    So far this has been a very informative thread. I really do want to thank the Gloworm people for all the time and effort that went into the production of the X2. Not to mention all the quick feed back to all the questions and requests that have come forth. To date, I don't think any other bike light manufacturer/vendor has been so forthcoming in setting the stage on a "Pre-sales product". I can't wait to get the light. I just hope I'm as pleased with the product as I think I'll be.

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    Not sure if its possible or not yet, but any chance of some photos of production ready lights and batteries and even the accessories if available?

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    How will the Gloworm compare, in terms of brightness, to the Cateye Stadium? I ask, because this is my only mega-light experience that I can use for comparison

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    G - 6 and counting!

    @Gloworm

    The attention to detail is impressive: All night water-boarding your lights and battery, switch water ingress testing... These things inspire confidence and make me feel more secure in my purchase, since this is the first time I've EVER bought something before it is actually released.

    So basically, if you can pull it off on time, I'll take my hat off to you. In this age of quick-fire releases under severe time pressure, it's really easy to let schedules slip. Of course, v 1.0 niggles are always a worry, but that's why we get a presales price, isn't it? We are the "gamma" testers after all.

    It's informative threads like this and the Designshine one that makes us come back here time after time!
    These agile products could easily be on the DIY Lights forum for all the input and feedback given!

    .... ahhh still G - 6...

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