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    Trying to decide between Coiler and Dawg... can't tell much difference

    Hi all. I am new here and wanted to introduce myself. I am getting ready to buy my first full suspension bike. I'm an ex- BMX guy who used to LOVE to jump. (lol, I still have my Schwinn Sting because I never had the heart to sell it...) After a few years away from off road biking, I am really excited about getting back into it again. Recently a couple of my good friends bought new FS bikes and ride quite often on the local trails, and now I am inspired to join them. I am coming from a 1992 Trek 950 with no suspension, which served me well for many years... but it's time. I have been trolling the message boards and review sites, and hanging around bike shops for a few weeks now. After my preliminary search, and based on things I have read and heard from shop owners and other riders, I have decided I want a Kona.

    With that said....

    For my purposes, I think I have narrowed my choices down to either a Coiler or a Dawg. I am looking for a "swiss army" bike that will do a little of everything, however primarily will be used for x-country/ aggressive trail riding, with a little bit of jumping/drop-offs, but nothing over 2-3 feet. Oh.... and the bike should have sort of a "Jeckyl and Hyde" personality... see... it will also have to endure the occasional flat long distance road rides for those days when I do the casual "Sunday morning picnic" ride with my fiance' and only stay on the paved bike paths. (she's not into the aggressive offroad stuff if ya know what I mean)...

    I think I have ruled out the Kikapu only because at six feet tall, and just over 200lbs, I guess I could be classified as borderline clydesdale, and I worry about the frame strength, and limited travel of the rear suspension if/when I might try to drop off something more than two feet. When I ride offroad with my friends, I have a tendency to beat up my bikes a little bit, and from what I gather, it appears the Dawg and Coiler are built to take a little more abuse than the Kikapu, which seems to be built more for speed. I want a tank that I won't ever have to worry about, and I want it to last for a good long time. I dunno, unless some of you experienced Kikapu owners tell me otherwise. I'm not opposed to throwing that one back into the mix if you can tell me that a Kikapu can stand up to a 200lb guy dropping 2-3 feet and trying to jump over tree stumps occasionally.

    So I went to a local dealer and sat on both the Coiler (18") and the Dawg (19") (I won't bother test riding them until a few months from now when the weather breaks and I am actually ready to buy it..). When I looked at them side by side, the frames on both bikes seemed very similar. In fact I couldn't see much difference between the two frames at all. Are they the same frame just dressed differently?

    They both had decent components, (an acceptable mix of the bare minimums needed for my purposes... ie... Deore LX, disc brakes, etc...) but the Dawg felt much lighter for some reason. The Coiler seemed to have heavier tires, forks, and shock. Is that where the extra weight comes from? From my quick assessment, I noticed the Coiler's handle bars seemed to come up to a higher, and more comfortable position while I was seated in the saddle. I **think** that was because the forks appeared to be longer, which brings the front end up more. Is this correct? Also, I was wondering about the rear shock. The Coiler had a "coil" spring type shock, while the Dawg had an air shock with no visible spring. Please forgive me, for I am a suspension noob and know very little about this stuff, but what is the primary difference between those two types of shocks in terms of performance? In other words, why would one want to choose one type of shock over the other?

    I really won't know which one is right for me until I test ride them both, but from sitting on them in the shop, my first impression was that the Coiler definately felt a little more comfortable and more natural for me. It looks like the Coiler is built for a little more rugged action than the Dawg, but the Dawg definately seems to be built strong enough for me as well. Both models I checked out were close in price, ($1400- $1600 range), so there is no issue there.

    So, I guess I am wondering, based on my description of my needs, which bike would make more sense for me? I won't rule out the Dawg simply because the Coiler felt a little more comfortable sitting on... only because that might simply be a matter of adjusting the seat and/ or bar height, and finding the right frame size. The downside of the Coiler is the extra weight. Maybe it is overkill for my needs? Is one model better for any specific purpose than the other? i.e... climbing? Does one type of shock (coil or air) help reduce pedal bob better than the other?

    I know I have a lot of questions here... and I am not looking for someone to just tell me which bike I should buy. (that is ultimately a decision I will have to make myself), but I am just looking for feedback, input, and some insight into the differences between these two models, and to see if maybe one model is better suited for all around riding over the other one.

    Thanks in advance for your help, and I am looking forward to learning as much as I can about these incredible bikes in the upcoming months. I am also looking forward to getting to know you folks on the message board. And please forgive me if I am asking some redundant, noobish questions. I am really just getting back into this and I have a LOT to learn. I am really humbled by the advances in technology since I last looked at bikes, so please bear with me as I try and edumacate myself on this stuff! Of course I'll also use the "search" function to try and look at older information, however it seems the technology changes so damn fast, what was valid information six months ago may no longer be valid today. **shrugs shoulders**....

    Thanks again and happy riding!

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    Hey siberian . First off in my opinion i think that you should go for the dawg. It is perfect for what you said you are going to do (XC as well as some light freeride) and with 5 inches of travel this year i dont think you will have any trouble with abussing the bikie (plus konas are made tough). The coiler is an entry level freeride machine ( drops over 5 ft, jumping , that kind of stuff), this explaines some of the difference you saw between that and the dawg. THe main difference as you probably know is the amount of suspension between the coiler and the dawg. THis again is so the coiler can handle bigger stuff. The coilover rear shock (on the coiler) is more heavy duty and resists bottoming out ( using all of the travel when landing) and also wiegh more. THe air shock on the dawgcan still withstanddrops but that is not its intended purpose. Many longer travel "trail bikes" nowadays have air shocks because they are significantly lighter than coile overs and in many cases have tons of adjusability options. Both shocks will have fox's propedal dampening which resists rider induced bob so i dont think you will have to worry too much about that. Also you mentined the riding position. The coilers cockpit seats the rider in a more uprite position (shorter top tube and handle bars thae have a large rise) this is better for jumping and dropping things. The dawgs handlebars dont have as much rise becauseit has some xc influence and the more stretched out the cockpit the better the climbing. If you like the riding position of the coiler more than the dawg you can simply switch the dags stem with one that is a little shorter (The shorter the stem the more upright, however you will sacrifice some climbing ability) and also go for a handlebar with more rise. Your LBS should be able to help you out with the sizing. The coiler weigh about 35 lbs and im guessing the dawg weighs around 30 so th dawg will be much easier to climb with. (thats not to say the coiler doesnt climb well either) Hope my post helped and good luck on your choice,
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    I ride a 2004 Dawg Dee Lux (28 lbs. w/ some upgrades), and can give you some help with your choice. However, I am far from the most experienced or knowledgeable rider.

    Kona published weights for their bikes in 2004, although the models you are looking at had an inch less travel each. I think the Dawg weighed about 33 lbs., and the coiler was around 39lbs.

    The Dawg is an aggressive cross country bike that can take some punishment, for what you describe I think it is perfect. You can see that it is real beefy, and it can handle a couple of feet with no problem (probably more). I am far from a freerider, and I don't do drops to flat, although I tried it a couple of times. It seems very punishing to the bike, but thats just me.

    The coiler is a light freeride bike, and like you said some beefier components that add weight. I am not sure about the frame differences.

    The Kikapu is a cross country bike, however the 2005 frame looks much stronger than the 2004 (not that there were problems with the 2004).

    Anyway, I use the Dawg as an aggressive cross country bike that can take a beating, and I can ride it super comfortably all day.

    As far as the shocks, the coil spring models are more plush and the way to go for jumps and drops. The air shocks do a better job at reducing bob.

    I'm sure the more experienced riders here will be more help, especially with the freeriding type stuff. If you search you will find alot of helpful information; there is a recent thread regarding the suspension design that was excellent.

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    Thanks for the input so far. Yea even though the Coiler felt a little better to *sit* on, I was kinda thinking the Dawg might be a little more suited for my style of riding. There's something else I just noticed that I didn't realize earlier. When I was at the shop, I sat on an 05 Coiler, and an 04 Dawg. (I thought the Dawg was an 05). With that said, I looked at the specs on the Kona site and learned that the 05 now has 5" of travel in the rear, and they have upgraded some of the components from last year (i.e. XT rear derailer vs LX from last year). That makes the Dawg even MORE attractive to me now.

    But wait.... there's more.... And this is probably the most significant thing....

    The 04 Dawg that I sat on had 100mm travel forks. The 05 has 120mm. Now granted, the Coiler I sat on had 150mm, which probably explained why it felt so much more comfortable sitting more upright (50mm difference) However with 120mm forks now on the 05, I'm thinking the 05 Dawg will feel a little better than the 04 I sat on. (not that the 04 felt BAD to me anyway). Now this is assuming that the longer the travel on the fork, the longer the fork itself will be in the uncompressed state. (correct?) In addition, as one of you stated, I can have the shop swap out the stem and/or bars if necessary.

    So now I'll just wait until they get some 05 Dawgs in and try one out. As a bonus, I like the color of the 05 better anyway. (a superficial bonus, but a bonus nonetheless). I didn't really care for the shiny chrome/black paint scheme of the 04. Not that I hated it. It was *okay*, but I just don't like things that look "bling bling". The flat grey on the 05 suits my style better.

    Thanks again!

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    I just took a look at the Kona website (konaworld.com), and they have the weights for the 2004 bikes in the tech section. They list the 2004 Dawg (17" frame) as 32.9 lbs, and the coiler at 33.2 lbs. with the same size frame.

    The coiler weight has to be a mistake, I'd say it's a few pounds heavier than the dawg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmb
    I just took a look at the Kona website (konaworld.com), and they have the weights for the 2004 bikes in the tech section. They list the 2004 Dawg (17" frame) as 32.9 lbs, and the coiler at 33.2 lbs. with the same size frame.

    The coiler weight has to be a mistake, I'd say it's a few pounds heavier than the dawg.

    Yup that HAS to be a mistake. I lifted them both up and the Coiler felt SIGNIFICANTLY heavier than the Dawg. Definately more than a half pound difference. It felt like a good four lbs heavier.

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    the coiler is basically an older 6" travel stinky, which i have. its not the greatest pedaling bike, and even though it looks similar to the dawg, the frame has thicker gauge tubes, the fork, wheels, shock, etc are all heavier duty. its meant to do drops, jumps, downhill, etc. climbing is NOT its forte. the dawg is a lighter weight "all mountain" bike, made to be tougher than a normal xc bike, but still able to pedal uphill comfortably. the dawg would be a great choice. i know this wont be popular in a kona forum, but there are lots of great all mountain bikes with similar travel/components as the dawg that you should also try out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handlebarsfsr
    . i know this wont be popular in a kona forum, but there are lots of great all mountain bikes with similar travel/components as the dawg that you should also try out.
    Yea, you have a good point. Actually, when I am closer to the purchase date, I'll give some consideration to a few other brands just to be fair. I have checked out the Trek Liquid, and some various models from Giant, Fisher, Specialized, Marin, Jamis, Haro, etc. So I will remain open minded about it. But, for whatever reasons, I just keep referring back to the Kona. I take that as a *sign* that something just feels right about their bikes. All the research in the world can narrow it down to a couple brands, and at that point there may be some little ticky-tack differences from brand to brand in the same price range. But then gut feel takes over. That's where I'm at right now. Gut feel just tells me that Kona is the right bike for me. I just get excited when I look at their bikes. (bike porn?) ha ha ha. That has to count for something. I've sat on all the others and none of them felt as substantial or sturdy as the Kona. I realize that actually riding them will tell the true tale... so we will see.

    Then again, who knows? When the day comes that I finally take one for a test ride, I may think it feels like crap to me. (unlikely, but possible nonetheless)

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    May I chime in? I've owned and ridden everything from the early Stinky's to Kikapu's to Bear Deelux's to my current Coiler Deelux... on a wide range of trails from North Shore to big format backcountry trips to the tune of 10-20hrs of ride time. I have experience aboard a wide variety of other bikes too if that's worth anything.

    Folks are quick to bucket the Coiler as an old Stinky. Close, but not quite. The numbers are different and the all around rideability is definitely better. The Coiler bike is by no means a pinner XC rig but if you have the strength you can ride it like one... that and a hefty duty rig for demanding descents at speed or slow.

    On the other hand I owned one of the first Bear Deelux's to come out of the containers from Taiwan. Problem was that if you ride in demanding terrain you'll quickly get in 'over your head' and you're putting yourself at risk with the lighter duty suspension components. Incidentally I just rode a couple new Dawg Deelux's a couple of amigo's bought and the feel is basically the same albeit some sizing tweaks on Dew's behalf and a bit deeper suspension. Nice solid bike but the air suspension is a bit light for demanding terrain- especially for my 6'2 190lb ass.

    FWIW, there's ways to push each bike into the lighter or heavier design envelope using wheels and tires. I've done this with both platforms and the results either way were pretty good. In the end I choose to throw lighter hoops/treads on the heavier bike because I trust the heavier construction and suspension technology more for my ride needs. You'll need to ask yourself how often you're going to be riding in demanding stuff and how much weight you're willing to haul around on easier trails.

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    I would recommend looking at the Coiler, it has a beefier frame and wheels than the Dawg, weighing over 200lbs and having a BMX background the extra strength will be more valuable than less weight. As far as the Coiler versus old Stinky argument goes, the Coiler will have the Propedal shock which seems to work well with this frame design.

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    Coiler

    Coiler, the best value in all-mountain rig. neither is a good xc race rig, so have more fun! on descends and lift more weights on the climb and so be stronger.
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    Coiler Vote

    I used to own a Dawg and based on your post the Dawg would probably be most appropriate. However, I've ridden a couple of different Coilers and it's definately the more fun bike, especially if more aggresive riding is on your agenda. Can't go wrong with either though.

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    3 issues I see;
    a) Type of riding you will do or want to do,
    b) your weight (200lbs) and
    c) want only 1 bike to do it all.

    Both Dawg and Coiler are great bikes.

    IMO go for the Coiler.
    You maybe cursing a bit when your climbing up long climbs on the Coiler (specially when your trying to keep up to a bunch of XC riders) but when the downhill section arrives you will love the Coiler.
    A frame that is leaning towards more freeride will make downhill sections that much sweeter. A little heavier bike just feels better on technical uphills/downhills and drop-offs.
    ( Heavier frame just feels like it can handle anything I throw at it .)

    (That is from personal experience.
    I weight 235# and have a XC bike and a freeride bike)

    Good Luck

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    i am new here is the coiler similar to a 2001 stinky some people have said the new 5 inch dawg is similar also can any one anser these questions

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    i've got a 04 coiler and love it, i had my heart set on a dawg, but love the coiler and i don't notice the weight to much. and the coiler is a stroger frame, you may go further ie more freeriding than you first thought

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    You should also check out the CoilAir, the same tough frame as the Coil springed Coiler but with a rear air shock, air fork and lighter wheels and parts. You get a full 6" travel bike that can be ridden all day, and if you get lucky, take it to a bike park someday or a ski lift area and still have a bike built for the nasty stuff. I think they weigh around 32 pounds. Adding a bigger fork and some wheels and the bike can take on whistler, put back on the lighter stuff and you got a great curb hucker and stair drop machine as you and your sweetie cruise the local streets. I also think with your BMX back ground, 2-3 drops will be doubled in size in less than a year. Who-ya-kiddin-brotha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcrider29
    i am new here is the coiler similar to a 2001 stinky some people have said the new 5 inch dawg is similar also can any one anser these questions
    The only thing similar about a Dawg and any Stinky is the approximate 5" of travel. The geometry of the Dawg is totally different - always has been - and the rear triangle is significantly lighter -- although plenty strong for most applications and riders up to about 3-4 ft drops -- at least if you land on your wheels! LOL!

    The new Coilers are very similar in design as it relates to the rear triangle construction but the geometry is much, much different than even the older Stinky. Kona, originally built the Coiler to "step back" to the original Stinky design and use - or at least very close to it --- but, after the first year they changed the geometry significantly along with the amount of travel -- the Coiler geometry has a great all around geometry slightly directed toward modern (read current) cross country trail bike design. The Coiler and Coilair climb very well, pedal effortlessly (considering the amount of travel) and descend with real authority.

    I have a Coilair I have built to just under 32 lbs -- it does everything - WELL! I ride it a lot. I also own a 2005 Kikapu Deluxe - 4" - that I have reworked to just over 25lbs -- it is also a great riding machine. I wouldn't want to trade one or the other.

    Kona's geometry just works -- I think they are some of the finest riding bikes in existence -- and that includes MOST if not ALL other makes and models -- most makes and models of which I have owned and/or ridden extensively over the years.

    Just my $.02 -- get a CoilAir... . Lighten up a few of the components and the wheelset and You will forget about other options.

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    I've reported here before that I own a Dawg, and was lent a Coiler once for a week when the Dawg was in for repairs. There is a big difference between the two bikes. The Coiler feels more like a motorcycle. It's taller and heavier, and plusher, and I didn't like it as much. I didn't have to pay attention to my line thru turns, the bike doesn't care where you point it, it just floats on thru. It took a lot of the sport out of riding.

    I suppose if you were racing, or if you used it in seriously gnarly terrain, this would be a good thing. But for the typical singletrack, the Coiler's just not as fun.

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    Anyone notice that this thread is from january of 05'?
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    Dawg or Coiler

    My thoughts....i'd go with the dawg. I have a 2006 dawg primo. I looked at a coiler when i got the Dawg. Question would be if you are riding up what you ride down the dawg would be the best bet in my opinion. If you are only dropping 2 to 3 feet once and awhile it should be more than enough bike. With the rear shock air shocks are usually lighter than coil shocks. The bike i have has the 06 rp3 from fox which gives some adjustability as far as propedal and the whole anti bob movement. The coiler from what i have seen is a fairly heavy bike and has slightly more travel than the dawg. If you don't need more than 5" of travel then that extra weight is going to make for a few long climbs. Hope that helps.
    Quote Originally Posted by Siberian
    Hi all. I am new here and wanted to introduce myself. I am getting ready to buy my first full suspension bike. I'm an ex- BMX guy who used to LOVE to jump. (lol, I still have my Schwinn Sting because I never had the heart to sell it...) After a few years away from off road biking, I am really excited about getting back into it again. Recently a couple of my good friends bought new FS bikes and ride quite often on the local trails, and now I am inspired to join them. I am coming from a 1992 Trek 950 with no suspension, which served me well for many years... but it's time. I have been trolling the message boards and review sites, and hanging around bike shops for a few weeks now. After my preliminary search, and based on things I have read and heard from shop owners and other riders, I have decided I want a Kona.

    With that said....

    For my purposes, I think I have narrowed my choices down to either a Coiler or a Dawg. I am looking for a "swiss army" bike that will do a little of everything, however primarily will be used for x-country/ aggressive trail riding, with a little bit of jumping/drop-offs, but nothing over 2-3 feet. Oh.... and the bike should have sort of a "Jeckyl and Hyde" personality... see... it will also have to endure the occasional flat long distance road rides for those days when I do the casual "Sunday morning picnic" ride with my fiance' and only stay on the paved bike paths. (she's not into the aggressive offroad stuff if ya know what I mean)...

    I think I have ruled out the Kikapu only because at six feet tall, and just over 200lbs, I guess I could be classified as borderline clydesdale, and I worry about the frame strength, and limited travel of the rear suspension if/when I might try to drop off something more than two feet. When I ride offroad with my friends, I have a tendency to beat up my bikes a little bit, and from what I gather, it appears the Dawg and Coiler are built to take a little more abuse than the Kikapu, which seems to be built more for speed. I want a tank that I won't ever have to worry about, and I want it to last for a good long time. I dunno, unless some of you experienced Kikapu owners tell me otherwise. I'm not opposed to throwing that one back into the mix if you can tell me that a Kikapu can stand up to a 200lb guy dropping 2-3 feet and trying to jump over tree stumps occasionally.

    So I went to a local dealer and sat on both the Coiler (18") and the Dawg (19") (I won't bother test riding them until a few months from now when the weather breaks and I am actually ready to buy it..). When I looked at them side by side, the frames on both bikes seemed very similar. In fact I couldn't see much difference between the two frames at all. Are they the same frame just dressed differently?

    They both had decent components, (an acceptable mix of the bare minimums needed for my purposes... ie... Deore LX, disc brakes, etc...) but the Dawg felt much lighter for some reason. The Coiler seemed to have heavier tires, forks, and shock. Is that where the extra weight comes from? From my quick assessment, I noticed the Coiler's handle bars seemed to come up to a higher, and more comfortable position while I was seated in the saddle. I **think** that was because the forks appeared to be longer, which brings the front end up more. Is this correct? Also, I was wondering about the rear shock. The Coiler had a "coil" spring type shock, while the Dawg had an air shock with no visible spring. Please forgive me, for I am a suspension noob and know very little about this stuff, but what is the primary difference between those two types of shocks in terms of performance? In other words, why would one want to choose one type of shock over the other?

    I really won't know which one is right for me until I test ride them both, but from sitting on them in the shop, my first impression was that the Coiler definately felt a little more comfortable and more natural for me. It looks like the Coiler is built for a little more rugged action than the Dawg, but the Dawg definately seems to be built strong enough for me as well. Both models I checked out were close in price, ($1400- $1600 range), so there is no issue there.

    So, I guess I am wondering, based on my description of my needs, which bike would make more sense for me? I won't rule out the Dawg simply because the Coiler felt a little more comfortable sitting on... only because that might simply be a matter of adjusting the seat and/ or bar height, and finding the right frame size. The downside of the Coiler is the extra weight. Maybe it is overkill for my needs? Is one model better for any specific purpose than the other? i.e... climbing? Does one type of shock (coil or air) help reduce pedal bob better than the other?

    I know I have a lot of questions here... and I am not looking for someone to just tell me which bike I should buy. (that is ultimately a decision I will have to make myself), but I am just looking for feedback, input, and some insight into the differences between these two models, and to see if maybe one model is better suited for all around riding over the other one.

    Thanks in advance for your help, and I am looking forward to learning as much as I can about these incredible bikes in the upcoming months. I am also looking forward to getting to know you folks on the message board. And please forgive me if I am asking some redundant, noobish questions. I am really just getting back into this and I have a LOT to learn. I am really humbled by the advances in technology since I last looked at bikes, so please bear with me as I try and edumacate myself on this stuff! Of course I'll also use the "search" function to try and look at older information, however it seems the technology changes so damn fast, what was valid information six months ago may no longer be valid today. **shrugs shoulders**....

    Thanks again and happy riding!

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    Quote Originally Posted by drum714
    Anyone notice that this thread is from january of 05'?


    Baaawwww!! Now that is funny! Still a great thread.
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    Well, THIS guy sure didn't notice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by drum714
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    Man!! That is hilarious..... W E L L T H E N ..... "NEVER MIND"... !

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    Quote Originally Posted by drum714
    Anyone notice that this thread is from january of 05'?
    I noticed, though the guy that revived it has a good question (could have been a new thread) and most of the new replies are relevant.

    Crusty, I agree with you that the Coiler can make some trails crazy easy. I can also report that last summer I rode the same root filled, rocky, mostly downhill trail on my '05 Coiler DL and my singlespeed with a 100mm air fork. I was laughing my head off on the Coiler because of the lines I was riding. A week or two later I rode basically the same lines on the SS and was nearly as fast. I was just working harder. Both bike were very fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drumstix
    You should also check out the CoilAir, the same tough frame as the Coil springed Coiler but with a rear air shock, air fork and lighter wheels and parts...
    The CoilAir wheels are not much, if any, lighter than the wheels on the other Coilers.
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