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    Quote Originally Posted by i.a.n. View Post
    Bead blasted the frame, scrubbed it down with a red Scotchbrite pad and let it soak in Pledge for a few hours. Now THAT us how titanium is supposed to look.

    Large Ti Honzo set up single speed
    Fox 36 160 with Fit4 damper
    Carbon Roval wheelset - 30mm inner width
    DHF front/Grid Purgatory rear
    Command dropper post
    XO cranks
    XT pedals
    Easton 40mm stem
    Raceface carbon bar at 760mm wide
    Chris King headset
    XT brakes
    NorthShore grips
    Absolute Black chainring (32/20 gearing)

    Now the hard part. Tucking it away till next summer while I recover from back surgery. And so I won't be tempted to ride I'm not putting on a chain till I'm ready.

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    What are the two extra bolt for on the upper section of the down tube?

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    They are for dropper post cable routing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooledup View Post
    They are for dropper post cable routing.
    Seems like something is missing or is the intention to zip tie the dropper cable to the bolt itself?

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    It's missing the P clip or similar type for cable routing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooledup View Post
    It's missing the P clip or similar type for cable routing.
    Ahh yes of course...

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    Serviced the battle ship, and added a MRP ramp controller, and larger rotors. I hope the dirt drys out soon.

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    Ripping it hard!

    Quote Originally Posted by Millrtme View Post
    I built a 2017 ST, medium frame, 27.5+. Here are the specs:
    Fox 34 Performance Fork 140mm
    Sram Guide RS Carbon Brakes
    Kona Stem and Bar
    Kona Saddle
    Integra Dropper Post
    Novatec Hubs with WTB i29 Rims
    Maxxis Rekon 2.8's

    In this config the bike rips, the 140mm is great, but I am considering upgrading to a 36 with maybe 150 or 160mm of travel. I also have a new wheelset, DT Swiss 370 Hubs with AR40 rims and Maxxis Chronicle 3.0 tires. We will see if the 3.0's fit in the rear. I hope to have some good photos in the next week or so. It has been built for several months and I have logged some good time, but it is up in the workshop now during the cold months so I can tinker.

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    Hi Andrew, I actually had the same idea!!
    Just bought the ST frame in XL, I have a "spare" Fox 36 Factory in 160/27.5 . Will mount a 2.6" tire on 35mm.
    I'm only wondering if I use a 29er in the back. That would be rather outrageous.

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    Anyone ever tried a 29 2.6 up front and 27.5 2.8 out back? Always wanted to try this config.

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    2017 ST Build complete

    Hi All, long time reader, first time poster.

    Just thought I would post a few picks of my build now it is complete and broken-in. Details are:

    Frame - Honzo ST 2017 (med)
    Fork - Manitou Mattoc Pro (130mm)
    Wheelset - Spank oozy 345
    Headset - Hope
    Post - Bike Yoke Revive (160mm)
    BB - Shimano XT M8000
    Crankset - Shimano SLX M7000 (170mm)
    Rear deraileur - Shimano XT M8000 (+ goat link 11... don't ask)
    Cassette - Shimano XT M8000 (with OneUp 47t expander)
    Rotors - Shimano XT rt86 (180 F & R)
    Brakes - Shimano SLX M7000
    Chainring - OneUp 32T traction
    Chainguide - OneUp BB mount
    Chain - YBN 11sp
    Pedals - OneUp composite
    Stem - Deity Copperhead (50mm)
    Bars - Deity Skyline 787
    Grips - Deity Knuckleduster
    Saddle - Fabric scoop radius
    Rear tyre - Maxxis aggressor EXO/TR WT 2.5 (w/ huck norris insert)
    Front tyre - Maxxis DHF EXO/TR WT 2.5
    Post clamp - Hope nqr

    We've been getting on well together, not missing the rear squish as yet (coming off an older 26inch), likes to go fast!

    Thanks to all who has posted here. It has been a valuable resource for the (extended) build process.
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    Very nice Honzo.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Very nice Honzo.
    It's almost like he consulted with you on the build. Dropper, drivetrain, brakes. Even the grips! And lots of OneUp goodies.

    Agreed though. Very very nice.

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    Anyone ever cut the seat tube of 2017-2019 Honzo ST? Might be an issue w that support plate. As someone w XL torso but MED legs was looking at this frame for next build and contemplating cutting L 0.5-1” or XL 1.5-2”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackieTreehorn8 View Post
    Anyone ever cut the seat tube of 2017-2019 Honzo ST?
    Gaaak!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackieTreehorn8 View Post
    Anyone ever cut the seat tube of 2017-2019 Honzo ST? Might be an issue w that support plate. As someone w XL torso but MED legs was looking at this frame for next build and contemplating cutting L 0.5-1” or XL 1.5-2”.
    If it's a used frame and there is enough seat tube left above the weld, go for it. On a new frame this will void the warranty.

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    Would this BB work with a 2017 Honzo AL DL?? Looking to upgrade or suggestion on a good BB! TIA

    https://www.hopetech.com/product/press-fit/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashe-villian View Post
    Would this BB work with a 2017 Honzo AL DL?? Looking to upgrade or suggestion on a good BB! TIA

    https://www.hopetech.com/product/press-fit/
    Yes, Hope produces great bottom brackets. I'm not sure what crankset you're using, but here's one that I use. They are spendy, but spin forever.

    https://www.bbinfinite.com/products/...ant=9864646403

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwapik View Post
    Yes, Hope produces great bottom brackets. I'm not sure what crankset you're using, but here's one that I use. They are spendy, but spin forever.

    https://www.bbinfinite.com/products/...ant=9864646403
    I have a Raceface Affect crank! Just want to make sure this fits before buying.

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    99% done...

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    Yet to do:

    Install the better matching (darker orange) rim decals just received.

    Install the 36 tooth star ratchet in the DT350 hub, also just received.

    Install the Kona WahWah 2 composite pedals:

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    Install the Ergon GD-1 Factory grips:

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    Add the Zee Cage with Tool:

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    Add the Dakine Gripper bag:

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    99% done...
    Whoa that looks absolutely gorgeous. Very much worth the wait I'm sure! Congrats Mike, that's a real dream build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    Whoa that looks absolutely gorgeous. Very much worth the wait I'm sure! Congrats Mike, that's a real dream build.
    Thanks tons. Apart from the fork and the dropper, it's a pretty sensible build. XT drivetrain. XT (4 pot) brakes, etc.

    It's not the most expensive bike in the fleet, but I am starting to think it's the coolest. And, most importantly, it's all ready for some packless fun.

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    I too like the look of the color matched stickers. Nice build, I feel bad for your other bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDFATUGLY View Post
    I too like the look of the color matched stickers. Nice build, I feel bad for your other bikes.
    Thank you.

    As for my other bikes, I checked first. They are all totally cool with it. The Honzo will be their new baby brother

    As an aside, I broke the first rule in Fight Club tonight and weighed my Honzo

    Let's just say that these bikes are probably best left unweighed...

    The wheels, however, are reasonable in terms of weight (well, apart from the rubber, that I am not prepared to skimp on). I'm hoping the wheels add a little zip.

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    Beautiful!! Let me know how that gripper bag works for you - I had mine attached on the seat tube by the BB and it liked to move to the side and rub my cranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superbird View Post
    Beautiful!! Let me know how that gripper bag works for you - I had mine attached on the seat tube by the BB and it liked to move to the side and rub my cranks.
    Thanks tons.

    I was going to strap the Gripper Bag to the seat rails, using the strap that’s on it plus an additional strap. We’ll see. My Gripper Bag is still en route.

    If it doesn’t work, I will swap the seat out for a Specialized Power saddle, and throw a Bandit on it.

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    I need to be careful how much I taint this bike with parts from the Big S. There comes a point when karma becomes a real issue...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Thanks tons.

    I was going to strap the Gripper Bag to the seat rails, using the strap that’s on it plus an additional strap. We’ll see. My Gripper Bag is still en route.

    If it doesn’t work, I will swap the seat out for a Specialized Power saddle, and throw a Bandit on it.

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    I need to be careful how much I taint this bike with parts from the Big S. There comes a point when karma becomes a real issue...
    Had a 155mm power comp saddle on my honzo and private jake and cant say enough good about them. Saddles are the one and only thing ill buy from specialized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
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    That is a nice looking build!!
    I really like how the orange pops!

    I am so jealous of that frame colour.

    Do you have your own photo booth for your bikes!? I'm such a nerd that if I had the room I'd have one too!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    99% done...
    I love this bike!
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I love this bike!
    Thanks TB. Your views mean a lot to me and others.

    I was worried about differing shades of the accent colour, which you have brought up before. Unfortunately, not all the orange on the bike is identical, but I did my best.

    Glad you like it so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideEverything View Post
    That is a nice looking build!!
    I really like how the orange pops!

    I am so jealous of that frame colour.

    Do you have your own photo booth for your bikes!? I'm such a nerd that if I had the room I'd have one too!!
    Thanks RE. That means a lot to me. Much appreciated.

    As for the booth, my LBS has a cool 6 cube display area for Norcos (with the Aurum HSP being the feature bike). We unloaded the Aurum from one of the cubes and stuck my Honzo in there. Lol.

    *sidenote - the cube display thing was designed by the former co-inventor of the VPP suspension linkage design, who is a local and a friend of mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    Had a 155mm power comp saddle on my honzo and private jake and cant say enough good about them. Saddles are the one and only thing ill buy from specialized.
    ATXZJ - thanks for chiming in!!!

    I have a Power Comp on my Norco Sight and love it. I also have a Phenom Pro on my Paddy Wagon, and love it too.

    And yeah - gotta be careful with how much S shit you load up on your bike. At some point, karma takes over.

    I do like their saddles, SWAT shit, floor pumps and shoes though...

    And wallets. I am trying to track one down.

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    Man, I think I seriously need an intervention...

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    Man! I like your style - you should go ahead and get those $80 revolution “suspension” grips and let us know how they are!

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    My Big Honzo in action this morning. This bike continues to surprise me with how well it rides even in rough terrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biffard View Post
    My Big Honzo in action this morning. This bike continues to surprise me with how well it rides even in rough terrain.
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    Nice bike. Nice pics

    Hopefully my non-Big Honzo performs as well as yours. Can't wait to find out!

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    Thanks man! Judging by your pics and build I’m betting it will perform like a champ! That’s one of the coolest honzo builds I’ve ever seen!

    Can’t wait to see some pics of it in action!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biffard View Post
    My Big Honzo in action this morning. This bike continues to surprise me with how well it rides even in rough terrain.
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    What dropper post are you using??

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    Quote Originally Posted by superbird View Post
    Man! I like your style - you should go ahead and get those $80 revolution “suspension” grips and let us know how they are!
    You got me thinking...

    But I just can’t seem to wrap my simple little mind around the concept. An unstable interface with my bar, albeit subtly unstable, does not sound like a great idea when straightlining it through the chunk. That, and the fact that these will cost me the equivalent of 3 sets of Ergon grips, or 9 sets of the Konas, with an awkward and expensive return option...

    I haven’t fully abandoned the idea, but I need to find some inspiration to go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwapik View Post
    Yes, Hope produces great bottom brackets. I'm not sure what crankset you're using, but here's one that I use. They are spendy, but spin forever.

    https://www.bbinfinite.com/products/...ant=9864646403
    How long have you been using the bbinfinte?? I'm wondering if it would be better than Hope. Thanks

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    I’m running a ethirteen trs 150mm dropper on a large frame.

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    Do not...I repeat, DO NOT use that under seat swat POS. The metal tabs are very weak and will break off. And when it does everything falls down right between your rear wheel and seat tube causing the bike to come to a skidding halt and toss you off the bike. Ask me how I know...

    And this is not an anecdotal account. I know numerous people who have had the same issue. And a local shop even stopped selling them because customers were coming in with the same failure. The alloy they use is brittle at the mounting tabs and wears out from repeated vibration. Mine last less than a year.

    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Thanks tons.

    I was going to strap the Gripper Bag to the seat rails, using the strap that’s on it plus an additional strap. We’ll see. My Gripper Bag is still en route.

    If it doesn’t work, I will swap the seat out for a Specialized Power saddle, and throw a Bandit on it.

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    I need to be careful how much I taint this bike with parts from the Big S. There comes a point when karma becomes a real issue...

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    Quote Originally Posted by i.a.n. View Post
    Do not...I repeat, DO NOT use that under seat swat POS. The metal tabs are very weak and will break off. And when it does everything falls down right between your rear wheel and seat tube causing the bike to come to a skidding halt and toss you off the bike. Ask me how I know...

    And this is not an anecdotal account. I know numerous people who have had the same issue. And a local shop even stopped selling them because customers were coming in with the same failure. The alloy they use is brittle at the mounting tabs and wears out from repeated vibration. Mine last less than a year.
    Excellent advice. Thank you Sir.

    Step straight to hell Specialized. Wait, what? You are already there? Oh yeah. I forgot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biffard View Post
    I’m running a ethirteen trs 150mm dropper on a large frame.
    Thanks my Xfusion manic doesn't fit as far into the seat tube as I would like. I have the Ethirteen on my Jeffsey. I might just get a new dropper on the Jeffsey and move the ethirteen to my Honzo. Thanks man

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    A bit overdue - but here’s my build. 27.5+ on 2018 Large ST. Swapped most parts from my Bid Honzo DL. Yari extended to 140mm, -1 works headset, and wolftooth oval chainring.
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    Bought a used 2018 Honzo AL frame. Can i put 27.5 x 2.4/2.5 tires? And with 140mm/150mm 29er fork to compensate the BB height.

    Any comments?

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    You should be okay. I believe the only real difference between the 2018 Honzo and Big Honzo Al frames is the BB drop.

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    Do the 2018 and 2019 steel frames have the same geo?

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    Yes, you can always go to the Kona site to confirm - they keep the previous year’s sites up and I routinely reference the 2017 and 2018 sites to see what’s changed over the years in geo and component spec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superbird View Post
    Yes, you can always go to the Kona site to confirm - they keep the previous year’s sites up and I routinely reference the 2017 and 2018 sites to see what’s changed over the years in geo and component spec.
    Yeah, sorry I was being lazy!! I usually go to Kona's site to check my 2017 Honzo.

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    2017-2019 St all have the same geo. Which makes me think the Al and Cr would too.

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    Hi, i am new here and was poisoned by the Honzo ST.

    Does anyone know where is selling the steel version either 2017 to 2019??

    The kona site doesnt seems to have a buy option..

    Thanks!!

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    Check the pinkbike classifieds. I picked up a brand new 2018 ST frame for $450 shipped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebeat007 View Post
    Check the pinkbike classifieds. I picked up a brand new 2018 ST frame for $450 shipped.
    Not sure how much of a complication this may present, but I see that cult41 hails from Singapore...

    Otherwise, my LBS, which is a mere 13,172 kms away, has some steels right on the floor.

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    Hi! Yes i am from Singapore. Thank you for the comments and the bikeman link. I will read them in awhile. Hopefully, them ship internationally at reasonable price..

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    If anyone is looking for hoops for their Honzo I have a like new take offs for sale


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    Quote Originally Posted by superbird View Post
    A bit overdue - but here’s my build. 27.5+ on 2018 Large ST. Swapped most parts from my Bid Honzo DL. Yari extended to 140mm, -1 works headset, and wolftooth oval chainring.
    Looks very nice! Been looking for an excuse to get a 27.5+ wheelset as well. How come you moved your parts from the Big DL to the normal ST? Are you happy with the geometry (after +20mm travel and -1° head angle)? Do you ride it 27.5+ exclusively?

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    Was on a medium frame and wanted a large - found a good deal on an ST and decided to make the jump. Partly because the new Big Honzos went to 430mm chainstays and I wanted the old 415mm.

    27.5+ only, as I don’t have another wheel set! I dig the additional cushion and now that I have some proper rubber on it, I’m sold. Would like to try 29 2.6 up front at some point...

    I’ll have to give a ride report later as it’s been way cold, we’ve had plenty of snow, and I’ve been under the weather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superbird View Post
    Was on a medium frame and wanted a large - found a good deal on an ST and decided to make the jump. Partly because the new Big Honzos went to 430mm chainstays and I wanted the old 415mm.

    27.5+ only, as I don’t have another wheel set! I dig the additional cushion and now that I have some proper rubber on it, I’m sold. Would like to try 29 2.6 up front at some point...

    I’ll have to give a ride report later as it’s been way cold, we’ve had plenty of snow, and I’ve been under the weather.
    I was thinking about getting a 27.5+ wheelset at some point to try on the Honzo ST. Pardon my ignorance, but is this just plug and play? No issues using the same fork? No issues with pedal strikes? No significant geo changes?

    Thanks.

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    As long as your fork is 110mm wide, it should be fine. The rest is plug and play. Keep in mind, and depending on the tire, the BB will sit roughly 3/8” lower than the 29er because of the slightly smaller outer diameter of the 27.5+. If you are running more than a 120mm fork, you can negate some or most of this.

    The pre-2019 Big Honzos had less BB drop to compensate - the only real difference in geo to the 29er.

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    The OG; 2012 HonzoSSchmdt. Got me back into MTB-ing & away from the dirt roadie rut I had fallen into.
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    Top tube cracked & Kona set me up w/a 2014 model, HonzoSSchmidt V2.0 in da house.
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    3 yrs later, exact same place developed cracks. Once again, Kona stood by their word and...
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    Quote Originally Posted by superbird View Post
    As long as your fork is 110mm wide, it should be fine. The rest is plug and play. Keep in mind, and depending on the tire, the BB will sit roughly 3/8” lower than the 29er because of the slightly smaller outer diameter of the 27.5+. If you are running more than a 120mm fork, you can negate some or most of this.

    The pre-2019 Big Honzos had less BB drop to compensate - the only real difference in geo to the 29er.
    140 fork is on it. It’s a 30th Birthday edition Steel, which I assume has the 2019 geo you mentioned.

    Based on what you said, this could be a good candidate for a set of 27.5 hoops with 2.8s, in addition to the 29er wheelset with 2.5s. Plus I still have the stock 29er alloy wheelset with 2.3 DHFs. With these alternate wheelsets on hand, this could prove to be a pretty versatile rig.

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    No, no - only the BIG Honzos have the modified geo. Your 2019 ST has the same geo as the 2017-2018 ST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superbird View Post
    No, no - only the BIG Honzos have the modified geo. Your 2019 ST has the same geo as the 2017-2018 ST.
    Can you please advise what tires you are running? And fork? And maybe post a pic or two?

    I am thinking of pulling the trigger on a set of 27.5 wheels, just because. But I have a few lingering questions. I am still confused what downsides there are to running a Honzo ST at 27.5+ vs having bought a Big Honzo to begin with.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lubes17319 View Post
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    2017 frame appears. Sadly, no ISCG mounts. I caved & added cheater parts to this one...7 more gears!
    Where did they broke, need to check mine.
    Just thinking what i'm going to do with this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by samu.k View Post
    Where did they broke, need to check mine.
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    Both on underside of top tube, at junction w/headtube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lubes17319 View Post
    Both on underside of top tube, at junction w/headtube.
    What size fork on each of the broken frames? To the extent it was longer than stock, did Kona ask you about this and did they comment on it?

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    For a 2019 Honzo ST, is the stock rear rotor size that it will accept at 160mm rotor?

    If so, to install a 180mm rotor in the rear, do a I need a 160mm to 180mm adapter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Can you please advise what tires you are running? And fork? And maybe post a pic or two?

    I am thinking of pulling the trigger on a set of 27.5 wheels, just because. But I have a few lingering questions. I am still confused what downsides there are to running a Honzo ST at 27.5+ vs having bought a Big Honzo to begin with.

    Thanks.
    I’m running a 2.8 DHF in front and 2.8 Rekon in the rear. RS Yari fork at 140mm. I can measure my BB clearance currently if that helps.

    What kind of pics do you want?

    Honzo ST is not made for 27.5+, it just happens to fit up to a 27.5x2.8 in the rear.

    Big Honzo ST has different geo, including 15mm longer chainstays for more clearance to fit 27.5x3.0 and 29x2.6.

    I haven’t ridden the new Big Honzo, but I wanted to stick with the short chainstays of the regular ST. I also run the super thin Canfield bros pedals so not too worried about pedal strikes.

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    How is the handling on Honzo ST's with a 140mm fork, even though 120mm is the recommended spec?

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    I feel the ST handles great with a 140 (46 offset). I would like to try a 150 or even a 160 one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDFATUGLY View Post
    I feel the ST handles great with a 140 (46 offset). I would like to try a 150 or even a 160 one day.
    140mm and 46 was great on my Honzo as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by superbird View Post
    Anyone ever tried a 29 2.6 up front and 27.5 2.8 out back? Always wanted to try this config.
    Had mine set up that way the last few months and am very happy with it. Also I "finally" got a hold of an 2017 XL St frame, (didn't like the purple and already had green), so can't wait to swap parts over and get back on a steel frame!

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    Awesome! Have to try this at some point. I would think contact patch should be very similar even though the back is wider.

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    Not a lot of love for the CR on this thread. Where are all my plastic homies hiding?!
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    We are here. I have a '19 CR on order. It is still a month away though. It is going to replace my dually as a xc race whip.
    As they don't offer a high end build kit this year I still haven't finalized the upgrades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i.a.n. View Post
    Do not...I repeat, DO NOT use that under seat swat POS. The metal tabs are very weak and will break off. And when it does everything falls down right between your rear wheel and seat tube causing the bike to come to a skidding halt and toss you off the bike. Ask me how I know...

    And this is not an anecdotal account. I know numerous people who have had the same issue. And a local shop even stopped selling them because customers were coming in with the same failure. The alloy they use is brittle at the mounting tabs and wears out from repeated vibration. Mine last less than a year.
    This is an older post that I am going to circle back to.

    ***it should also be in another sub-forum, and not here -- apologies***

    I was at my LBS not long ago to get a brake caliper replaced on my commuter. It was late morning on a weekday so the LBS was not bustling like it usually is after work and on weekends. I was able to have a better look around at things while I was waiting. Lo and behold, there were SWAT Bandits hanging on a display rack. Dammit did they look slick.

    Given that I am rocking a Specialized Power saddle on my Sight, I thought I would grab one. It was dirt cheap ($22 CDN). I figured what the hell.

    I brought it home and installed it on my Sight. Oh my. The thing is incredible. I have a TON of clearance between it and my dropper stanchion, it comes nowhere close to my rear tire with the seat dropped and my shock compressed (although I have not yet emptied the shock to put the linkage through its full travel), and it is STABLE AF.

    To address I.A.N.'s comments above, I am going to put another strap around it to take the weight off the bracket that is attached to the underside of the saddle.

    I have been obsessing about riding packless and am committed to doing it this year, apart from epic rides. The SWAT Bandit, combined with the SWAT Zee cage with tool, checks all boxes and is the best solution I have come across so far.

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    That said, for the Honzo, I am going to keep that 30th B-Day Edition saddle on there. I like WTB saddles and this one is particularly rad. I have the Dakine Hot Laps Gripper bag on order (should be here in a week or so (only about $22 CDN as well - same as the Bandit). This, combined with the Zee SWAT cage and tool, looks to me to be the best solution for a non-Specialized saddle. I shall see soon...

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    As for my Honzo, it's still at the shop. It's minus 28 this morning.

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    It may as well be there than in my garage. I still have a few final tweaks to be done to it anyway.

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    Whats the difference between

    Big Honzo
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