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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    Magura's MT Trail set is supposed to be very good - 4 pot front, 2 pot rear.
    I was gonna recommend the same. Havenít ridden them but heard great things - and good value.

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    Added digital camo AMS protection to the frame. I wish the Honzo came this way.





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    Quote Originally Posted by drpheta View Post
    Added digital camo AMS protection to the frame. I wish the Honzo came this way
    I didn't know the Honzo could get better looking!
    Just stop already

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    +1 for Magura MT brakes, if you buy a MT5 set from Germany they're not very expensive. (Ä125+shipping for 2 MT5 or MT5 front and MT4 rear)

    Stay away from the MT7 though, the lever reach can be adjusted without a tool and the knob can break off during crashes. Function is identical on the MT5, but it requires a t25 (or unbrako, I forget) to adjust instead.



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    Quote Originally Posted by drpheta View Post
    Added digital camo AMS protection to the frame. I wish the Honzo came this way.





    What year and model honzo is that. I see it has internal routing and Iím looking to pick up one but it doesnít have internal routing


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    2016 AL.

    All the AL and CR models have internal routing beyond dropper, but it's only in the rear seat stay.

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    New (to me) 2018 Honzo st. First ride yesterday and it was great! Got this as a secondary to my Diamondback Release. I PR'd every climb on one of my home trails. Downhill was not as fast as usual but I expected that. It will take me some time to learn to ride a hardtail downhill again!

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    ^ Sweet! Nice pic, awesome looking terrain for a Honzo!
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    Pulling parts of a Trek Stache to lace up a Honzo.
    Would one of you new skool types help me w/ the Honzo headset?

    Please check my math.
    If I was using a Cane Creek headset and tapered fork Iíd go w/:
    ZS44 on the top, ZS 56 on the bottom.
    Right?
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    Yes you are correct. ZS44/ZS56

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    Magura MT Trail Sport brakes have been ordered....

    Now I just need a 50T cassette and Iíll be set.

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    Thanks Spooled.
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    I've started on my diy paint stripping journey.
    I started with the dropouts to see how hard it would be and to give me a way to turn back. But it has been a lot easier than I expected.

    The green colourway never spoke to me. So, I'm doing something about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RideEverything View Post
    I've started on my diy paint stripping journey.
    I started with the dropouts to see how hard it would be and to give me a way to turn back. But it has been a lot easier than I expected.

    The green colourway never spoke to me. So, I'm doing something about it.

    You are a man of courage. Good luck RE. Post your progress often if you are able.

    What colour are you going with? Or is this a surprise?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideEverything View Post
    I've started on my diy paint stripping journey.
    I started with the dropouts to see how hard it would be and to give me a way to turn back. But it has been a lot easier than I expected.

    The green colourway never spoke to me. So, I'm doing something about it.

    You going to have it media blasted?
    greener pastures

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    You are a man of courage. Good luck RE. Post your progress often if you are able.

    What colour are you going with? Or is this a surprise?
    Thanks!
    I'm going to run it raw. I'll look into frame saver or something like that. I'm kinda flying by the seat of my pants!


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    You going to have it media blasted?
    No, just paint stripper and go from there.

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    Honzo dawn porn:

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    Quote Originally Posted by VooDooBokor View Post
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    Sweet rig. Howís that fender working out for you? Does it seem to help keeping the downtime from getting rocks kicked up and keep stuff from flying up at you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelMTB View Post
    Sweet rig. Howís that fender working out for you? Does it seem to help keeping the downtime from getting rocks kicked up and keep stuff from flying up at you?
    I've heard rocks plink off the underside of it, so I guess so. Not much mud here in CO which could be a problem with a fairly tight fitting fender. Plus it looks rad, and that's all that really matter right?
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    Exactly. I plan on grabbing one when I pick up my Honzo. That one definitely looks good on it. Does it mount with Velcro or zip ties


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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelMTB View Post
    Does it mount with Velcro or zip ties
    Zip ties, it came with my Pike fork. My favorite aftermarket fenders are from All Mountain Style, very cool designs and you can get matching frame protection stickers.
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    Ill check them out

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    Good news for anyone wondering if a 210mm OneUp dropper fits in an XL Steel frame. It does! HA!

    Pics to follow when I finish the build in a couple days.
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    Threw my 29er wheels on the big honzo for a few rides.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sennaster View Post
    Threw my 29er wheels on the big honzo for a few rides.

    How was it?

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    Iím currently checking out Rockshox Pike 140mm as a replacement fork.
    I see most sites state that those forks fit either 27.5Ē or 29Ē rims. I thought the Pikes from 2018 and onwards with Boost could use both 27.5Ē and 29Ē? If I buy one that states 27.5Ē Boost, then can I use it with my 29Ē bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yonsson View Post
    Iím currently checking out Rockshox Pike 140mm as a replacement fork.
    I see most sites state that those forks fit either 27.5Ē or 29Ē rims. I thought the Pikes from 2018 and onwards with Boost could use both 27.5Ē and 29Ē? If I buy one that states 27.5Ē Boost, then can I use it with my 29Ē bike?
    No. Axle to Crown is the difference.

    "Boost" is the axle spacing and has nothing to do with any other parameter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 225 View Post
    How was it?
    Faster everywhere and more precise feel, but less forgiving comfort wise. That aluminum rear triangle is very stiff.

    Although my 29er setup is more aggressive, it has 1lb less rotating mass. I rode the big honzo like this for a while with different wheels before going plus.

    Iíll probably buy some rekon+ tires and call it a day. I really dislike the 2.8 specialized slaughters on the plus setup.

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    Calling all mathematicians, geometry-nerds and wizards.
    The 2019 Pike 140mm comes in 51mm or 42mm offset I think. I thought a shorter offset would counteract the 20mm added fork travel which will result in a slightly(?) slacker fork angle. But when I read about offset and ďtrailĒ and then draw it out, it seems both longer fork and shorter offset would make the ďtrailĒ larger, resulting in more stability but slower handling... So should I go for the 51mm stock offset measure to counteract the added ďtrailĒ the longer fork will result in? Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yonsson View Post

    Calling all mathematicians, geometry-nerds and wizards.
    The 2019 Pike 140mm comes in 51mm or 42mm offset I think. I thought a shorter offset would counteract the 20mm added fork travel which will result in a slightly(?) slacker fork angle. But when I read about offset and ďtrailĒ and then draw it out, it seems both longer fork and shorter offset would make the ďtrailĒ larger, resulting in more stability but slower handling... So should I go for the 51mm stock offset measure to counteract the added ďtrailĒ the longer fork will result in? Thoughts?
    I'd favor the higher offset fork if your bumping it to 140mm. Really either one will be OK most likely, coming down to personal preference.

    If your trails are open and fast and flowy then the lower offset may suite you, more stable. If your trails are tree-lined, tight, twisty, type stuff then the higher offset will help keep the steering quicker/more responsive.
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    Thanks! Iím overthinking this for sure! Did the geo calc thingy, HA would go from 68* to 67* and the wheelbase would be +8mm when going from 120mm to 140mm, not taking the offset into account. Iím in deep noob-waters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sennaster View Post
    Faster everywhere and more precise feel, but less forgiving comfort wise. That aluminum rear triangle is very stiff.

    Although my 29er setup is more aggressive, it has 1lb less rotating mass. I rode the big honzo like this for a while with different wheels before going plus.

    Iíll probably buy some rekon+ tires and call it a day. I really dislike the 2.8 specialized slaughters on the plus setup.
    Hey,
    I recently built a 27+ wheelset (Praxis al32 on hope pro 2 evo) for my honzo ti, and I'm running Minions dhf 3c in 27x2.8 front and rear. Really love those tires, I can only recommend them. Not sure I'd like the rekons, based on the tread.
    I have a 29x2.6 rekon lying around that I might try later this year as a rear tire though, to get some idea how it rides (if that fits the frame).
    FWIW my standard wheels set is a 29er wtb asym i29 front with minion dhf 2.5, and 29er wtb frequency i23 rear with a high roller 2, both dual compound. I plan to swap the rear rim to the same asym i29 soon, to create a better base for the 2.6 rekon.
    Would a 29x2.6 minion or rekon fit your big honzo frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
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    Would a 29x2.6 minion or rekon fit your big honzo frame?
    Width-wise it would fit, but not sure about height.

    Thatís a 2.4 rekon WT on the back and a DHRII on the front, both on 30mm ID rims. Pulled that set off my squishy trailbike temporarily. I donít really take the honzo in places where Iíd want a minion very often, use it mostly on smoother hard-packed trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    I'd favor the higher offset fork if your bumping it to 140mm. Really either one will be OK most likely, coming down to personal preference.

    If your trails are open and fast and flowy then the lower offset may suite you, more stable. If your trails are tree-lined, tight, twisty, type stuff then the higher offset will help keep the steering quicker/more responsive.
    I just found and read a offset thread here and it seems there is no consensus on this matter. If I put it this way: If I want to change how the bike handles as little as possible, the. I should aim to keep the ďtrail measurementĒ as close to stock as possible and I should go for the 51mm offset, right?

    EDIT: Too late, I ordered the version with 51mm offset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yonsson View Post
    I just found and read a offset thread here and it seems there is no consensus on this matter. If I put it this way: If I want to change how the bike handles as little as possible, the. I should aim to keep the ďtrail measurementĒ as close to stock as possible and I should go for the 51mm offset, right?

    EDIT: Too late, I ordered the version with 51mm offset.
    The physics is correct, a higher offset fork will make the steering quicker. A lower offset fork is more stable at speed but slower steering on a steep climb.

    What there may not be a "consensus" on is personal preference. Riding location, riding style, geometry of the bike, fitness, body proportions, tires, etc. There are literally unlimited factors.

    You could have two guys riding the same trails on the same bike with different offset forks and they would likely both be very happy with the way it handles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    The physics is correct, a higher offset fork will make the steering quicker. A lower offset fork is more stable at speed but slower steering on a steep climb.

    What there may not be a "consensus" on is personal preference. Riding location, riding style, geometry of the bike, fitness, body proportions, tires, etc. There are literally unlimited factors.

    You could have two guys riding the same trails on the same bike with different offset forks and they would likely both be very happy with the way it handles.
    Thanks for the input! I'm not even going to pretend that I can evaluate how my bike handles now. I have no issue with the bike, my issues driving is related to my lack of skills. I briefly tried a friendís full susp Scott with a shorter frame and that was an awful experience after getting used to my Honzo. I do however find it quite bumpy on rougher parts at high speeds, so hopefully Iíll appreciate the better fork. Also interested to feel the difference between the stock 120mm and the future 140mm travel.

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    I just realized moving up two headset spacers over the headset should cancel the added stack height of the new longer fork.

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    I love the bike nerding going on here, @yonsson!
    Be careful, though. You can theorize until the cows come home and still be no better off.
    I did a lot of that when I moved over to my 2019 from my 2012 Honzo. My nerding helped set an expectation but some of the tangents I ended up on really didn't help.

    FWIW, I'm running a Fox 36 with a 51mm offset at 160mm with a -2* Works angleset. I also have 40mm of spacers under the stem with a 25mm rise bar. My stem is 60mm long. I'm on a 2019 XL Honzo ST.

    With this setup I very much like how the bike rides. As a lot of people have said throughout this thread terrain and riding style very much plays into your setup of your bike. I'm 200cm (6'6") and ride terrain that's pretty much straight up to straight back down so my outer fringes of geo and setup play to that.

    Good luck!

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    Alright,
    after dabbling a little bit last weekend with paint stripper and scraping I came across some info that may speed the DIY process up a bit. I've just coated the majority of the frame in the stripper and put it in a heavy duty garbage bag to sit for most of the day for the chemicals to do their thing.

    Here's a few pics of my chainstays that I did last weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideEverything View Post
    I love the bike nerding going on here, @yonsson!
    Be careful, though. You can theorize until the cows come home and still be no better off.
    I did a lot of that when I moved over to my 2019 from my 2012 Honzo. My nerding helped set an expectation but some of the tangents I ended up on really didn't help.

    FWIW, I'm running a Fox 36 with a 51mm offset at 160mm with a -2* Works angleset. I also have 40mm of spacers under the stem with a 25mm rise bar. My stem is 60mm long. I'm on a 2019 XL Honzo ST.

    With this setup I very much like how the bike rides. As a lot of people have said throughout this thread terrain and riding style very much plays into your setup of your bike. I'm 200cm (6'6") and ride terrain that's pretty much straight up to straight back down so my outer fringes of geo and setup play to that.

    Good luck!
    Sounds extreme! Iím still confused but on a higher level.

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    I built up a Honzo Ti frame a few years ago with a pike 140mm and a 51mm offset. I live in CO with a mix of flow trails and tighter tech. I haven't regretted the fork at all, feels great for everything I do, including some DH / enduro courses and XC courses as well. Hope yours turns out well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteamboatSteamer View Post
    I built up a Honzo Ti frame a few years ago with a pike 140mm and a 51mm offset. I live in CO with a mix of flow trails and tighter tech. I haven't regretted the fork at all, feels great for everything I do, including some DH / enduro courses and XC courses as well. Hope yours turns out well!
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    Thanks! Iím so excited to get the fork upgrade that I re-read the thread yesterday. Will also be swapping the front wheel to a DHF 2.5Ē from the stock WTB Trailboss 2.25Ē. Hopefully Iíll feel the combo rocks compared to the stock setup. I also understand that Iíll be able to either toss the front disc brake extension or swap he front disc to a 200mm and keep the brake extender. Is it worth upgrading from 180mm to 200mm? Would I notice a difference?

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    Hey
    Yes upgrading the front disc to 200cm and a better series is definitely a good idea. I did that on my 2016 honzo AL base model, kept the brakes and pads but upgraded the disc to a 200cm slx (the stock disc was utter crap) and the stopping power is absolutely sufficient now.
    I'm sure you'll also notice much improvement thanks to the fork and tire upgrade. Here as well, I upgraded the stock setup (Rs sector with ardent 2.3) to a suntour auron PCs with a 2.5 Minion DHF, and that's provided a huge leap forward in grip and confidence.
    Enjoy your ride!

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    Thanks for the input! Seems I have centerlock hub which makes it hard to find 200mm discs. Might need to use a converter. Guessing this is what I would need:


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    No problem

    Shimano slx, XT, zee and Saint are available in centerlock, AFAIK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    No problem
    Shimano slx, XT, zee and Saint are available in centerlock, AFAIK.
    Iíve only been able to find them in 203mm so far. Will keep looking but I might go for the conversion-kit if I canít find any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yonsson View Post
    Iíve only been able to find them in 203mm so far. Will keep looking but I might go for the conversion-kit if I canít find any.
    Hey sorry I was being sloppy in my post. 203 is exactly what you need. It's also what I have on mine.

    Your honzo has non series Shimano brake calipers, right? So you will need Shimano 203mm discs (e. G. Slx or XT ice tec) centerlock, plus a Shimano caliper adapter from 160 pm to 203mm pm (= postmount to postmount).

    FWIW I stuck to 160mm discs at the rear wheel, but also upgraded it to a higher series version (slx or XT, not sure). I don't feel that larger discs at the rear wheel are required, but that is personal preference.

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    This is how it looks now with 180mm disc. I have read swapping the fork to a Pike means I donít have to use the adapter to keep the same disc, which Iím guessing means I can use the same adapter and the new fork with a 200mm disc? So you are saying 203mm will fit the new setup with the old adapter? It doesnít matter if itís 200 or 203 mm?

    Edit: Logic tells me the adapter adds 20mm making 180mm direct mount on the Pike be 200mm, not 203mm.

    Edit2: Deep Google tells me the Shimano parts number for 180mm>203mm is:
    SM-MA-F203P/PM ISMMA90F203PPM

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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    What there may not be a "consensus" on is personal preference. Riding location, riding style, geometry of the bike, fitness, body proportions, tires, etc. There are literally unlimited factors.

    You could have two guys riding the same trails on the same bike with different offset forks and they would likely both be very happy with the way it handles.
    Donít believe this fake news. Heís just part of the liberal media, or is it conservative media? We must all be on a Yeti or Santa Cruz, all wearing a new small fanny pack, all driving our bikes to the same trailhead in our Sprinter. Thereís only one way to get from A-B by bike, well only one correct way.

    Might finally have all the bits to lace up my Honzo now.
    Hoping to find time to do it today.

    But really? I hope you are all out there riding whatever, wherever, however.
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    Almost done applying my custom Ride Wrap kit. Jeezus. As was the case with my Druid, this process almost resulted in the loss of my sanity, and the loss of my relationship with my daughter and GF.

    To be clear, the product is 100% awesome. I just seem to suck at applying it. After all of the madness, the end result seems to be reasonably good. The process itself though sucked me into a deep dark hell. I may need some counselling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yonsson View Post

    They call me the google ninja.
    hey
    sorry i thought i'd replied via mobile, but something failed.
    anyway, i wanted to say that i cannot confirm whether using the 160-180 adapter for your 180-203 requirement with the new fork would work. seems you are a bit further already good!
    i'd rather spend a few bucks on the correct adapter, if i were you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    hey
    sorry i thought i'd replied via mobile, but something failed.
    anyway, i wanted to say that i cannot confirm whether using the 160-180 adapter for your 180-203 requirement with the new fork would work. seems you are a bit further already good!
    i'd rather spend a few bucks on the correct adapter, if i were you.
    No worries! The adapters seem to work both front and back so I should be able to move back my front 20mm adapter and disc to go 160>180mm back and buy a 180>203mm adapter for the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yonsson View Post
    No worries! The adapters seem to work both front and back so I should be able to move back my front 20mm adapter and disc to go 160>180mm back and buy a 180>203mm adapter for the front.
    You have an aluminum Honzo, correct? Is the rear brake adaptor post mount? Post mount mounts on top of the posts like a fork If so, then yes you can use your 180 adaptor. If it is an IS type mount, which I suspect, you won't be able to use it for the rear brake mount. IS mounts to the side and is the older system of the two. Good luck and have fun adding to your money tra...err Honzo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    You have an aluminum Honzo, correct? Is the rear brake adaptor post mount? Post mount mounts on top of the posts like a fork If so, then yes you can use your 180 adaptor. If it is an IS type mount, which I suspect, you won't be able to use it for the rear brake mount. IS mounts to the side and is the older system of the two. Good luck and have fun adding to your money tra...err Honzo.

    You are correct! It wasnít a direct mounted 160mm. So if I want to go bigger Iíll need to replace the current adapter with a new one with 4 holes.
    So I'm guessing I need a IS>180mm mount for the back if I want to go 160>180 at the back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yonsson View Post

    You are correct! It wasnít a direct mounted 160mm. So if I want to go bigger Iíll need to replace the current adapter with a new one with 4 holes.
    So I'm guessing I need a IS>180mm mount for the back if I want to go 160>180 at the back.
    Correct

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    Honzo Build Thread - post your builds here

    For those interested, a Cake Eater 29x2.8 barely fits on my 2018 Honzo steel with Bontrager Line 40 rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    The process itself though sucked me into a deep dark hell. I may need some counselling.
    I bought custom decals and invisiframe for my current build, and punted to a buddy with more talent and patience than me for that very reason.
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    Iím away on vacation and a very nice buddy of mine is making the fork swap for me while Iím away.

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    Which fork did you end up going with after all?


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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    You have an aluminum Honzo, correct? Is the rear brake adaptor post mount? Post mount mounts on top of the posts like a fork If so, then yes you can use your 180 adaptor. If it is an IS type mount, which I suspect, you won't be able to use it for the rear brake mount. IS mounts to the side and is the older system of the two. Good luck and have fun adding to your money tra...err Honzo.
    The guy has to source an IS to post mount adapter and youíre labeling his bike a money trap? Seriously?


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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelMTB View Post
    Which fork did you end up going with after all?
    Pike Select RC 140mm, 51mm offset, year 2020.

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    Nice. Really making that bike a contender over the already great build it came with. Curious to hear your reviews and see your other changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by incubus View Post
    The guy has to source an IS to post mount adapter and youíre labeling his bike a money trap? Seriously?
    That comment wasn't in reference to him buying a caliper mount adapter. It was acknowledging him opening the same can of worms most of us have by upgrading parts on the awesome frame that a Honzo is known to be. It was because of the context he provided in previous comments. Try reading more than the lastest posts in a thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    That comment wasn't in reference to him buying a caliper mount adapter. It was acknowledging him opening the same can of worms most of us have by upgrading parts on the awesome frame that a Honzo is known to be. It was because of the context he provided in previous comments. Try reading more than the lastest posts in a thread.
    fwiw i understood your post as you intended i'm in the same situation...i have 3 honzos by now

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    The new 140mm Pike is in place. Comparison photos between my AL 2019 and my friends AL 2018 with stock 120mm fork.

    Only one problem, the screws for the front disc brake adapter are too long now when the fork adapter isnít needed. And I canít simply trim the screws so I ordered new adapters now and new discs, 203mm for the front and 180mm for the back. Less than Ä100 for everything so I figured, what the hell.
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    Those of you that care enough to give it a few moments of thought-
    Can you list 2 or 3 things you like about the Honzo.
    And maybe 2 things you donít like or wish were different.

    (Iím a few hundred miles into mine and am curious if my impressions are similar to yours)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Chicken Bones View Post
    Those of you that care enough to give it a few moments of thought-
    Can you list 2 or 3 things you like about the Honzo.
    And maybe 2 things you donít like or wish were different.

    (Iím a few hundred miles into mine and am curious if my impressions are similar to yours)

    Thanks.
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    What I really like about the Honzo, the steel version specifically, is its adaptability. I've been on this thread since the beginning from many years ago and it's amazing to see how many different styles of builds the Honzo ST people have built.
    There's a wide array of builds from XC/Trail smashers to Freeride Hardtail Huckers!
    The evolution of the frame itself from the original 2012 to the current 2019 modern geo frame has been sort of like a blank canvas to everyone who buys in.

    Secondly, building on the first point, the Honzo can be built outside of its prescribed category. It has the ability to run a slacker front end and not explode. It also can run more travel and not become too much of a handful to ride.

    The things I would change are most likely only related to me as a tall person and the terrain I ride.

    I would like the chainstays to be longer. I'd still like them to be adjustable but start out being longer.
    Admittedly, the Honzo came out when 29er chainstays were crazy long and their geo's weren't yet dialed in. So, short stays were all the rage.
    To add to this the stock head angle could be a tad slacker. When the Honzo first came out people were losing their minds about how slack it was for a 29er! How far we have come!
    Luckily there's companies out there that offer anglesets to sort out the stock HA.

    The only other thing I'd really like to change is the seat angle. Since attending the Church of the Steep Seat Angles in the last couple of years I have found my gospel for a seated pedalling position with a longer front end. The steeper the better!

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    Good Answer RideEverything.
    Versatile.
    And um... still solidly capable at the edges of itís scope. Something like that.

    Cons
    Chainstays could be longer.
    Seat tube too slack.

    Funny- I had a Blacksheep steel frame a million years ago. Super steep head angle, but also steep seat angle. That seat angle? Maybe the thing I liked most about that spooky bike. Really good on the ups. Oddly amazingly good.

    Anyone else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Chicken Bones View Post
    Good Answer RideEverything.
    Versatile.
    And um... still solidly capable at the edges of itís scope. Something like that.

    Cons
    Chainstays could be longer.
    Seat tube too slack.

    Funny- I had a Blacksheep steel frame a million years ago. Super steep head angle, but also steep seat angle. That seat angle? Maybe the thing I liked most about that spooky bike. Really good on the ups. Oddly amazingly good.

    Anyone else?
    Pros?
    Cons?
    -JCB
    I'll put my thoughts up when I get home to a real keyboard.

    @RE, have you looked at the Big Honzo st? It has all the changes you are after, but it is only slightly slacker and steeper. I am looking at it because of one of my changes I would want, less bb drop.

    The 2020 battleship grey Honzo st is 🔥🔥🔥

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    The never ending story
    -My friend chickened out on fitting the star nut, so I ordered a Hope Head Doctor.
    So now I have a semi assembled bike without front brake and star nut. Brake discs and Head Doctor incoming. No riding for me next week it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Chicken Bones View Post
    Those of you that care enough to give it a few moments of thought-
    Can you list 2 or 3 things you like about the Honzo.
    And maybe 2 things you donít like or wish were different.

    (Iím a few hundred miles into mine and am curious if my impressions are similar to yours)

    Thanks.
    -JCBs
    After having two steel Honzos, '13 & '16, I would have to say I love the bike. I have only had them set up as a 29er, but it is a playful capable bike.

    What I enjoyed about my Honzo:

    1. It's a hardcore hardtail that climbs well and loves to be pushed going down. My only hangup was rock gardens, most likely due to my ability to crash.
    2. For a hardtail is pretty damn comfy. The redesign that happened in 2015 made it so much smoother.
    3. It was my introduction to slack bikes even though it could be in the XC class today. I even tried to buck the long trend when I bought my 2013 by purchasing a small. That was old school and I was wrong.

    I still have both frames and want to build the newer one back up for me and the older one for my daughter. Being that I have a nice FS, my daughter's is going to be built first.

    What I would change:
    1. Like everyone else, head angle is number one. I built both frames with 140mm forks which helped. My FS has a 65į head angle and I would love to see the Honzo reflect that. It's fixable and in my build plan.
    2. BB drop, for how I plan to rebuild mine, -65mm may be to low. I will find out. It seems like the Big Honzo is more amicable at -50mm.
    3. Here comes the sacrilegious idea - eliminate the sliders! I do think it's great that it can be a single speed and the idea pops in my head once in awhile, but I really would like to see a fixed chainstay at 16.5". Yes I know I can set it there and I have. i just think it would look cleaner with a fixed dropout.

    I still visit this thread every time I am on mtbr because I totally love this bike. It is truly enjoyable to ride every where, even if I have to slow down once in awhile. Just like RideEverything said, the Honzo can be built outside of the original setup to be more inline with the intent of the frame. That is exactly what I am going to do. If I ever do decide to get a new one the Big steel version looks like it might make its way into my hands even though it has longer chainstays than what I would like.

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    Anybody looking to buy a Honzo CR?

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    And if you're not looking for a carbon Honzo, I'd love to find a home for a lightly ridden Steel Honzo.
    Large.
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    Beautiful.
    Pretty perfect. No damage, no paint scratches.


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    Head Tube Badge Removal

    Just finishing applying my custom Ride Wrap kit. It calls for removal of the head tube badge. I have this plastic one:

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    Any suggestions how to get it off and then reattach it? I assume a hair dryer would be recommended for the removal, but I am not sure if the adhesive on the back of the badge is re-usable.

    I would normally just leave it alone but there is going to be some major cable rub on the headtube, and I am done the rest of the bike. This is all that is left.

    Has anyone gone through this process? RideEverything?

    Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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    ^ Not sure how you can get that off without wrecking it? I'd either try to work around it or plan on ordering a new one from Kona when that one gets destroyed. They are still available from Kona.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    ^ Not sure how you can get that off without wrecking it? I'd either try to work around it or plan on ordering a new one from Kona when that one gets destroyed. They are still available from Kona.
    Ok. Thx. I will work around it by cutting my own piece of film with a hole in the middle for the badge. Thankfully they provide extra film. Either that or I will modify the custom piece.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Just finishing applying my custom Ride Wrap kit. It calls for removal of the head tube badge. I have this plastic one:

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    Any suggestions how to get it off and then reattach it? I assume a hair dryer would be recommended for the removal, but I am not sure if the adhesive on the back of the badge is re-usable.

    I would normally just leave it alone but there is going to be some major cable rub on the headtube, and I am done the rest of the bike. This is all that is left.

    Has anyone gone through this process? RideEverything?

    Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks.

    https://www.amazon.com/3M-Hi-Strengt...42326565&psc=1

    3M 90 adhesive spray will bond whatever you need. Use it for work regularly. For removal, get some plastic trim tools and a cheap heatgun. That badge will come right off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    https://www.amazon.com/3M-Hi-Strengt...42326565&psc=1

    3M 90 adhesive spray will bond whatever you need. Use it for work regularly. For removal, get some plastic trim tools and a cheap heatgun. That badge will come right off.
    Marcus - thanks. Leaving Wednesday morning for a Fernie trip. I would like to finish this job today (working around a ride I am doing later today after things dry up a bit). I have no time to try to correct any screw ups. Maybe best to leave this until after I get back from Fernie. Besides, while I have the plastic trim tools, I donít have a heat gun.

    How did your frame protection turn out on your high single pivot? Between this bike and my Druid I think it took about 3 years off my life. I learned that while patience is important, it is nowhere near as critical as luck when applying this film.

    Anyway, I now have 2 bikes under my belt using a custom kit on both, covering over 95% of the frame. Took me a long time and almost killed me, but I am almost done.
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    Probably better to wait before Murphy steps in.

    Ended up only using the decals as the matte invisiframe made the black decals nearly imperceptible. Just didn't look right.

    At this point, I DGAF if the high pivot frame gets scratched as it's aluminum and flat black is easy to touch up. It'll be nice not to worry for once.

    Enjoy your trip man!


    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Marcus - thanks. Leaving Wednesday morning for a Fernie trip. I would like to finish this job today (working around a ride I am doing later today after things dry up a bit). I have no time to try to correct any screw ups. Maybe best to leave this until after I get back from Fernie. Besides, while I have the plastic trim tools, I donít have a heat gun.

    How did your frame protection turn out on your high single pivot? Between this bike and my Druid I think it took about 3 years off my life. I learned that while patience is important, it is nowhere near as critical as luck when applying this film.

    Anyway, I now have 2 bikes under my belt using a custom kit on both, covering over 95% of the frame. Took me a long time and almost killed me, but I am almost done.

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    120mm (Top pic) vs 140mm. Iím just waiting for the Hope Head Doctor, then Iíll test the new fork. Iíll probably wait a ride or so before mounting the larger brake discs so I get a feel of the fork first.

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    Project Paint Strip is ticking along.

    So far I've done two coats of the chemical paint stripper then used a putty knife to scrape the paint after the stripper has done its job.

    This afternoon I've taken a sander to it with super coarse sandpaper. I'm liking the results!

    So shiny!





    After I go over the entire frame with the sander, the parts it can reach, I'm going to get into the nooks and crannies with more paint stripper.

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    Cool! Whatís the current plan? To keep it raw and just clear coat it?

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    OK, noob question incoming. Reading up on stems since I thought a beefier stem would look cool and hide a little of the protruding fork.... Is the height of the stems always the same? That would surprise me, but none of the sites Iíve seen specify the height of the stem. Not even the manufacturerís websites or the reviews Iíve found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yonsson View Post

    OK, noob question incoming. Reading up on stems since I thought a beefier stem would look cool and hide a little of the protruding fork.... Is the height of the stems always the same? That would surprise me, but none of the sites Iíve seen specify the height of the stem. Not even the manufacturerís websites or the reviews Iíve found.
    Most stems have a stack height of ~40mm, but there are some that are shorter. I donít recall having seen any with stacks that are taller than 40mm. All of that said, as youíve witnessed, many donít publish this measurement.


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    Thanks! My thought was to add something like the DMR Defy 35 stem. I think it would look pretty bad ass even with the fork sticking up a little. I will of course ride the new fork for a few runs before I make a decision since the DMR would add 5mm in height. But the stack height is only 27mm for 35mm reach and 31mm for 50mm reach which kind of defeats the purpose. .


    Edit: Popped it down one spacer, this will have to be OK for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yonsson View Post
    Thanks! My thought was to add something like the DMR Defy 35 stem. I think it would look pretty bad ass even with the fork sticking up a little. I will of course ride the new fork for a few runs before I make a decision since the DMR would add 5mm in height. But the stack height is only 27mm for 35mm reach and 31mm for 50mm reach which kind of defeats the purpose. .

    Edit: Popped it down one spacer, this will have to be OK for a while.
    The DMR stem is for 35mm diameter bars. Kust make sure that your Renthals are 35mm not 31.8mm before you order that stem. Its definitely a looker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Just finishing applying my custom Ride Wrap kit. It calls for removal of the head tube badge. I have this plastic one:

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    Any suggestions how to get it off and then reattach it? I assume a hair dryer would be recommended for the removal, but I am not sure if the adhesive on the back of the badge is re-usable.

    I would normally just leave it alone but there is going to be some major cable rub on the headtube, and I am done the rest of the bike. This is all that is left.

    Has anyone gone through this process? RideEverything?

    Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks.
    Use some fishing line to work in between the adhesive and the headtube, keep the line pressed against the radius of the headtube, moving the line back and forth to cut the adhesion. Quick and easy. Preserves the shape of the badge and often the effectiveness of the adhesive.

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    Most of the new Honzo and Big Honzo models are online now (apart from the CR DLs).
    And there's a CR Frame only in a lovely color!

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    2019 Large Green Honzo ST for sale.

    2019 Honzo ST Large for sale.
    It was good in some spots but there were other places that I wasnít a fan.
    I asked for opinions on the Honzo to see if I was alone in what we like/donít like about the bike.
    Pretty sure Iím alone in my impressions.

    The faster the trail, the happier this bike (and itís rider).
    Short choppy trees? The kind of place that you come in hard on the brakes, then try to get it back up to speed? Nope. Well, nope. Not w/ my legs pushing it. Felt sluggish then.

    Frame is perfect. No inner chainstays scrapes from mud. No dings, chips, nothing.
    Just a clean perfect Honzo frame.
    Need a headset to go w/ it? New Cane Creek 40 to go w/ it for a bit more.

    I hate picking a total or used bikes.
    You folks will know better than me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    Most of the new Honzo and Big Honzo models are online now (apart from the CR DLs).
    And there's a CR Frame only in a lovely color!
    Cool! AL-models have the exact same measurements as the 2019 AL model and the only change in specs is 30mm rims instead of 29mm.

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    Just picked up my XL honzo ST frame today. I'm excited to build this up and add it to my current 2018 Process which needs a friend.
    Really digging the color of the frame too.

    Plans include most likely a 140mm Pike, GX groupset, and maybe a set of codes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JN29 View Post
    Just picked up my XL honzo ST frame today. I'm excited to build this up and add it to my current 2018 Process which needs a friend.
    Really digging the color of the frame too.

    Plans include most likely a 140mm Pike, GX groupset, and maybe a set of codes.

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    That color is sick AF. One of my absolute favorites at the moment. Congrats!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    That color is sick AF. One of my absolute favorites at the moment. Congrats!
    Right! I did like the green from before and the red, but this one is just right on the money.
    Especially since the aluminum ones weren't really calling me.

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    JN29, nice looking frame! What is your height and inseam? I am debating between another large or moving up to a XL. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooledup View Post
    JN29, nice looking frame! What is your height and inseam? I am debating between another large or moving up to a XL. Thanks!
    I'm 6'3+ and inseam is about 33. I really fit better somewhere between the L and XL. The size difference between them is huge. But my Process 153 is a L and that feels fine to me as well but I do like the kinda snug feeling most of the time.

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    Re-wheeled my '17 ST large (previously had 27.5+). Race Face Arc 30 Offsets + DT 350s w/ 54t engagement. I also really wanted skinwall tires, mostly because they look so good on this frame. It was quite difficult to find aggressive tread skinwall tires in 29". I went with Teravail's Honcho 2.6 (...Honchos on the Honzo...). What other aggressive (DHF/DHR-like) skinwall 29" tires do people know of? Anyway, this bike is incredible. Currently set up with a 150mm Fox Factory 36 w/ MRP Ramp Cartridge, XT drivetrain, Fox Factory Transfer 150mm dropper w/ Wolftooth lever, Zee/SLX brakes.


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    This is such an awesome thread, I want to read through all of the posts. I just moved to Utah and realize that my Transition Patrol is a bit much for most of the terrain around SLC. I have my eyes on building a Honzo but I would like to get some buy in from previous owners about the old geometry vs new geometry.

    Does anyone have experience riding a '16 Honzo St vs a '18 Honzo St, and how do they compare? I have looked at the geometry but the map is not the territory.

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    Not a new build but it was built new today. My new Mock Orange Water bottle from my LBS (Mock Orange Bikeís) with the Kona Honzo they threw in with the purchase. They have great specials on water bottles




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    Quote Originally Posted by dbw1288 View Post
    This is such an awesome thread, I want to read through all of the posts. I just moved to Utah and realize that my Transition Patrol is a bit much for most of the terrain around SLC. I have my eyes on building a Honzo but I would like to get some buy in from previous owners about the old geometry vs new geometry.

    Does anyone have experience riding a '16 Honzo St vs a '18 Honzo St, and how do they compare? I have looked at the geometry but the map is not the territory.
    Lived in SLC for 7 years and can say you cant go wrong with the honzo. Not much has changed geo wise since introduction in 2012. Front center grew slightly in 17 i believe so riderd who would normally ride a medium werent forced to upsize to a large. FWIW, I rode a L 2016 and i'm 5'10 with 30" inseam.

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    Yea that is interesting that you sized up. Looking at the TT and Reach on the newer models, it seems it feel awkward in the front, but I am not used to hardtails...Looks like I need to scope out the '17 or newer ST in a large

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    As I'm searching for all y components to build my new Honzo St, 'm having trouble finding the right headset.
    Does anyone have any suggestions as to what will work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JN29 View Post
    As I'm searching for all y components to build my new Honzo St, 'm having trouble finding the right headset.
    Does anyone have any suggestions as to what will work?
    Yes, an angleset from works. 44/56 internal is what you need for your honzo either way. Feel free to PM if you have any questions.

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    Honzo Build Thread - post your builds here-f6a5f248-9aff-4b06-b2cc-9907ec2f679d.jpg


    I donít know if you can see the photos, but new Ice rotors added.
    203mm from and 180mm back. Also installed a Hope Head Doctor which was a breeze. So now Iím finally ready to try out the new fork!

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    That looks very smooth @yonsson, well done mate. Let's hear your impressions after you break in the fork!

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    I have now been on my first ďtest rideĒ since swapping parts.

    *From Recon RL 120mm to Pike 140mm:
    - A lot smoother regardless of speed. At slower speeds it floats a lot better, minimizing vibrations. The faster I go, the larger the difference. At higher speeds and larger obstacles and smaller drops, the new fork just eats it up as if it was nothing. And at declines, it doesnít compress as much as the Recon. A big difference! Geometry-wise I canít tell much of a difference, a little higher at the bottom resulting in less pedal strikes. It climbs just like before, even felt better than before, but thatís probably just placebo.

    Larger discs: A lot better stopping power both front and rear, really easy to notice the difference in power. Good bite without that on/off stuff feeling. The difference really surprised me.

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    Has anyone put bigger than a 140mm fork on their steel frame? I'm still on the hunt for where I want to go with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JN29 View Post
    Has anyone put bigger than a 140mm fork on their steel frame? I'm still on the hunt for where I want to go with it.
    ...
    Quote Originally Posted by RideEverything View Post
    I love the bike nerding going on here, @yonsson!
    Be careful, though. You can theorize until the cows come home and still be no better off.
    I did a lot of that when I moved over to my 2019 from my 2012 Honzo. My nerding helped set an expectation but some of the tangents I ended up on really didn't help.

    FWIW, I'm running a Fox 36 with a 51mm offset at 160mm with a -2* Works angleset. I also have 40mm of spacers under the stem with a 25mm rise bar. My stem is 60mm long. I'm on a 2019 XL Honzo ST.

    With this setup I very much like how the bike rides. As a lot of people have said throughout this thread terrain and riding style very much plays into your setup of your bike. I'm 200cm (6'6") and ride terrain that's pretty much straight up to straight back down so my outer fringes of geo and setup play to that.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JN29 View Post
    Has anyone put bigger than a 140mm fork on their steel frame? I'm still on the hunt for where I want to go with it.

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    not the steel, but I'm running a fox 36 at 150 on my Ti. Without an angleset yet. Love it on the ups and the downs.

    As @Yonsson has posted, @RideEverything has gone up to 160 with a works components -2į angleset. And Andrew Major over at NSMB.com has also experimented with the same angelset in the steel frame:
    https://nsmb.com/articles/works-components-angleset/
    If you scroll down to his chat with RideEverything on April 3, 1:59am, Andrew apparently had forks with 160mm and 170mm in the Honzo ST with the -2į headset.
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    Right on, thats some long forks and extra head angle there.
    Only thing I would worry about with a 160mm for and -2 degree headset is that extra shear force on the head tube and down tube junction splitting the weld there since it is being kicked back way further than intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JN29 View Post
    Right on, thats some long forks and extra head angle there.
    Only thing I would worry about with a 160mm for and -2 degree headset is that extra shear force on the head tube and down tube junction splitting the weld there since it is being kicked back way further than intended.
    Yeah I'm also a bit worried about that, from time to time. I'm not riding too hard though, that's how I justify it for myself. Important to note that kona recommends only 120mm for the honzo, so you're definitely voiding any warranty by raising the travel and/or (I guess but am quite sure) using the angle set.

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    I'm thinking this might be the correct place to ask this question. Picked up 30th Honzo ST end of last summer and have been loving it. Thinking about picking up another hard tail or full suspension bike. What bikes are as fun as Honzo st?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JN29 View Post
    Right on, thats some long forks and extra head angle there.
    Only thing I would worry about with a 160mm for and -2 degree headset is that extra shear force on the head tube and down tube junction splitting the weld there since it is being kicked back way further than intended.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    Yeah I'm also a bit worried about that, from time to time. I'm not riding too hard though, that's how I justify it for myself. Important to note that kona recommends only 120mm for the honzo, so you're definitely voiding any warranty by raising the travel and/or (I guess but am quite sure) using the angle set.
    Alls I gots to say is... meh. <shrugs shoulders>

    I ran my 2012 OG Honzo over forked pretty much from the get go. It saw a LOT of hard riding under a big guy, me. The frame did crack but after 7 years of riding. And it didn't crack on the weld.

    I'm not concerned with the angleset or the over forking on my 2019 frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    ...you're definitely voiding any warranty by raising the travel...
    Renee - what are you basing this comment on? I called Kona and asked this very question before I swapped my 120 for my 140.
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    Hey Mike and RE,
    Yeah maybe being that cautious in this regard is exaggerated. The steel frame should be strong enough (although I'm by no means an expert in these topics).
    I also asked kona tech before swapping the fork travel on my honzo AL, and they clearly recommended not to use anything longer than 120. Granted they did not explicitly mention the voiding of the warranty, I did interpret it that way nevertheless. I ended up overforking my honzos anyways

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    Guys, I feel a nice increase in stopping power from the new larger rotors, but Iím wondering if I should swap my brakes as well. Itís not a massive investment, so I figure ďwhy notĒ. Iím thinking about the Shimano Zee, are they too powerful for me? A little worried that I wonít be able to control the stopping power and about the lack of modulation mentioned in some reviews. Iíve found them on discount for ~Ä200.

    Iím 100kg/220lbs nude.
    I want to stick with Shimano for local service reasons. Also been looking at XT M8000 and M8020 but the M8020 are more expensive than the Zee and the M8000 are not 4 caliper brakes, only 2 caliper. Or is it overkill to swap from my stock Ä40 brakes?

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    I run Code R's and the stock rotors 200/180 on my process 153 and im heavier than you, about 225 or so, as well as riding on the aggressive side and lots of steep terrain here in So Cal. And they have the power I need/want also love the modulation. So No, being heavier guys I would use the strongest brakes possible as we put a lot of stress on them and over long descents you dont want them failing on you.

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    Thanks for the input!

    Iím not used to riding in the wet, but it rained yesterday and I really felt like riding so I was in the woods 07:30 this morning. The bike fell under me when I lost the front end grip and I head butted a tree so I think Iíll take some time to swap the front tire tomorrow and then order them brakes.

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    I ordered Shimano Zee brakes.
    Question: When I have shortened the brake hoses and need to ďbleedĒ them, can I do it with the brakes fully mounted? Most YouTube videos say you should dismount the brakes calipers and use a ďbleed discĒ in between the pistons for no apparent reason other than not risking to leak the fluid on the brake pads.

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    Honzo Build Thread - post your builds here-7ec507a0-0aff-4170-9b75-9d8a438cd118.jpgHonzo Build Thread - post your builds here-480393b2-479d-4847-962d-f9365cd8fa83.jpgHonzo Build Thread - post your builds here-22aeba5f-f941-4a74-8df4-c91e3cbc4794.jpg
    Added 2.5Ē (29Ē) DHF up front. Looks massive to me since Iím used to 2.25Ē. Still plenty of room up front.

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    Way to go @jonsson!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    Way to go @jonsson!
    Wooooha! Iím pretty excited to be honest. Itís fun to feel the difference in ride quality after every little tweak, both the fork and the discs have really improved the bike. Iíll be riding nice open downhill ďenduroĒ-trails tomorrow and Iím sure the added grip will feel right at home in that environment. Iím very fortunate to have lots of mountains close by, one of which is one of the best places to ride MTB in all of Sweden. Iíve also got no less than two different bike parks within an hour of driving and a third 2 hrs away. Havenít tried any of those yet though.

    I think Iíll have my new Zee brakes on Wednesday, which would be perfect since my wife is out thrift store shopping on Wednesdayís = play time for me.

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    Well, since the doc still has me on ďno real mountain bikingĒ treatment, I figured I'd find my MTB Zen by building my perfect (to me) hardtail, say hello to my new 2019 Honzo ST.

    My build may not be quite as fancy as some that I've seen in this thread, but it should prove to be rock solid and reliable.

    2019 Honzo ST frame.
    2018 Pike RCT3 fork @ 120mm (probably bumping this up to 130mm)
    WTB Asym i35 rims.
    DT Swiss 350 hubs.
    Full SRAM GX Eagle drivetrain (though I'm currently running a NX Eagle cassette while I wait for the XD driver body for my hub, then I'll pop the GX cassette on).
    SRAM DUB bottom bracket.
    Kona 785 mm Bar & Kona stem
    Kona Wah Wah 2 Composite pedals (best flats I've ridden yet).
    Cane Creek Forty headset
    Brand-X Ascend dropper post @ 120mm
    WTB Volt saddle
    Maxxis Minion DHF 2.5WT front
    Maxxis Aggressor 2.3 rear
    Shimano XT M8000 brakes
    Shimano IceTech rotors 180mm front & rear

    I'm not suppose to ride any singletrack yet (hopefully by the end of Aug.), but I have been cleared to ride fire roads and other ďlower riskĒ paved trails, so I was able to at least get it out for a ride today....Steel is very real, this bike is badass.



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    Quote Originally Posted by yonsson View Post
    I ordered Shimano Zee brakes.
    Question: When I have shortened the brake hoses and need to ďbleedĒ them, can I do it with the brakes fully mounted? Most YouTube videos say you should dismount the brakes calipers and use a ďbleed discĒ in between the pistons for no apparent reason other than not risking to leak the fluid on the brake pads.
    The bleed blocks are so the pistons sit in the right position when you bleed the brake system. They also help with stopping the pistons from popping out of the caliper and losing all of your brake fluid (don't ask me how I know that one!).

    I'm running Saint Zee and very much like them. I'm heavy, 250ish geared up, and these brakes do a solid job of slowing me down and stopping me quickly when needed.
    These brakes are my first experience using Shimano and I don't notice the on/off. But that may be because at my weight the on/off translates into good modulation!

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    Thanks for the pics BassistBiker. I love the purple 2018s, but have not had any luck in finding a medium. Talked to a guy today and he was telling me the green 2019s looked pretty good built, so I pulled the trigger.

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    I managed to get a little more time on my paint stripping project.

    I've got most of the frame done and was hand sanding the hard to reach sections that I can't get at with the sander.
    I'm going to apply more paint stripper to get the head tube done and all the cable attachment points. I may borrow a Dremel with a sanding attachment to get those hard to reach spots.

    I'm going to go over the frame with a fine grit paper and soft buffer towel to finish it once I'm done removing the paint.

    I'm loving the texture from the rough grit sandpaper!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianU View Post
    Thanks for the pics BassistBiker. I love the purple 2018s, but have not had any luck in finding a medium. Talked to a guy today and he was telling me the green 2019s looked pretty good built, so I pulled the trigger.
    If your getting the Green/Gold frame you will NOT be disappointed, if you get a chance, just take the frame outside into the sunlight...the metal flake just sparkles...this is by far the prettiest metal flake paint job I've seen...hats off to whoever sprayed it (probably was a machine LOL).
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    anyone have better pictures of the 2020 st frame? Still shows green o. the website. Anyone know a shop that has an xl in green? Heard they're all sold out

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbutcher13 View Post
    anyone have better pictures of the 2020 st frame? Still shows green o. the website. Anyone know a shop that has an xl in green? Heard they're all sold out
    My local dealer just got a Large Battleship gray frame in this week, and as far as I know he's expecting the new greens one by the end of the month...not sure if getting that one in a frame or complete build though, and I'm not sure which sizes
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    DJButcher13 did you try Bikeman

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    Apologies in advance for the newbie bike building question, but here goes:
    What size bottom bracket do i need for a Honzo ST? Any suggestions?
    Background: Have a '20 Honzo ST (Battleship Gray - Medium) on order and starting to accumulate parts. Search all over the internet (including this forum) and cannot id the BB size. Parts so far: Rockshox Pike 150mm, Race Face NEXT carbon handlebars, Cane Creek 70 headset. Looking at either Hunt or Fulcrum wheels. Open to comments/suggestions.Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnmz10 View Post
    What size bottom bracket do i need for a Honzo ST?
    Should be a 73mm threaded (BSA)
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    Thank you! Should have included i have GX Eagle DUB cranks 175mm as well. Any suggestions? Ceramic worth the cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnmz10 View Post
    Thank you! Should have included i have GX Eagle DUB cranks 175mm as well. Any suggestions? Ceramic worth the cost?
    I have the same cranks, I just went with SRAM's own DUB bottom bracket, fits perfect, and obviously was designed with those cranks in mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mnmz10 View Post
    Apologies in advance for the newbie bike building question, but here goes:
    What size bottom bracket do i need for a Honzo ST? Any suggestions?
    Background: Have a '20 Honzo ST (Battleship Gray - Medium) on order and starting to accumulate parts. Search all over the internet (including this forum) and cannot id the BB size. Parts so far: Rockshox Pike 150mm, Race Face NEXT carbon handlebars, Cane Creek 70 headset. Looking at either Hunt or Fulcrum wheels. Open to comments/suggestions.Thanks in advance.
    Go to the source. Under BB is says 73. https://www.konaworld.com/honzo_st.cfm

    The BB shell is 73mm but your cranks will determine what BB you need. What cranks are you planning on using?

    Don't know much about those wheelsets but I would personally look elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    Go to the source. Under BB is says 73. https://www.konaworld.com/honzo_st.cfm

    The BB shell is 73mm but your cranks will determine what BB you need. What cranks are you planning on using?

    Don't know much about those wheelsets but I would personally look elsewhere.
    There should also be a decal on the rear wheel side of your seatpost that has a lot of good information.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ear_ache View Post
    There should also be a decal on the rear wheel side of your seatpost that has a lot of good information.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ear_ache View Post
    There should also be a decal on the rear wheel side of your seatpost that has a lot of good information.


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    Yep, except that my 2019 AL frame says it's a PF92 Bottom bracket, yet it's actually a 73mm Threaded, I pointed that out to the bike shop, they said they had never noticed that before LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BassistBiker View Post
    Yep, except that my 2019 AL frame says it's a PF92 Bottom bracket, yet it's actually a 73mm Threaded, I pointed that out to the bike shop, they said they had never noticed that before LOL.
    Arrrggggg!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BassistBiker View Post
    Yep, except that my 2019 AL frame says it's a PF92 Bottom bracket, yet it's actually a 73mm Threaded, I pointed that out to the bike shop, they said they had never noticed that before LOL.
    The 2019 and 20 Honzo AL frames are different from the AL DL frames. Look at the dropout area, there it is most obvious. And the BB standards and chainstay lengths differ as well: the AL has a 73mm threaded BB and 420mm CS, the AL DL has a pressfit BB and 415mm CS.
    Makes sense as the usual argument is that the PF BB makes it possible to attach the chainstays further apart from each other in the BB area, compared to the threaded BB - hence they can effectively bring the rear wheel closer to the BB with PF. I guess the rear tire clearance will still be greater for the AL DL compared to the AL, but who can confirm this?
    If you compare the two frames side by side, there are quite a few differences...this started with the MY 2019.

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    Yep, I knew the AL and DL frames were different, I just thought it was weird that my frame was actually marked with the incorrect info...you'd think Kona would have caught the error.

    What's even more funny, is there is actually a picture of the decal in question right on the Honzo's 2019 gallery page...indicating it's a PF92 BB...yet the specs list clearly says "SRAM Powerspline 73mm"...Then when you look at the 2020 there is another pic of the decal in question, indicating it's a PF92...then the spec list says "SRAM DUB 73mm"...so the new standard AL frames are still being labeled incorrectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BassistBiker View Post
    If your getting the Green/Gold frame you will NOT be disappointed, if you get a chance, just take the frame outside into the sunlight...the metal flake just sparkles...this is by far the prettiest metal flake paint job I've seen...hats off to whoever sprayed it (probably was a machine LOL).
    Thanks for that additional insight. Now I am really stoked and can't wait for it to get here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BassistBiker View Post
    Well, since the doc still has me on ďno real mountain bikingĒ treatment, I figured I'd find my MTB Zen by building my perfect (to me) hardtail, say hello to my new 2019 Honzo ST.

    My build may not be quite as fancy as some that I've seen in this thread, but it should prove to be rock solid and reliable.

    2019 Honzo ST frame.
    2018 Pike RCT3 fork @ 120mm (probably bumping this up to 130mm)
    WTB Asym i35 rims.
    DT Swiss 350 hubs.
    Full SRAM GX Eagle drivetrain (though I'm currently running a NX Eagle cassette while I wait for the XD driver body for my hub, then I'll pop the GX cassette on).
    SRAM DUB bottom bracket.
    Kona 785 mm Bar & Kona stem
    Kona Wah Wah 2 Composite pedals (best flats I've ridden yet).
    Cane Creek Forty headset
    Brand-X Ascend dropper post @ 120mm
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    Maxxis Minion DHF 2.5WT front
    Maxxis Aggressor 2.3 rear
    Shimano XT M8000 brakes
    Shimano IceTech rotors 180mm front & rear

    I'm not suppose to ride any singletrack yet (hopefully by the end of Aug.), but I have been cleared to ride fire roads and other ďlower riskĒ paved trails, so I was able to at least get it out for a ride today....Steel is very real, this bike is badass.



    Looks like a solid build. I have been running a 125mm PNW Rainier since the beginning of the year on a Canfield N9 and have been happy with it. I have read in more than a few places, that it is basically a rebadged Brand-X Ascend dropper post. On my N9, I had to run the 125mm PNW, because the 150mm was too long and noticed it looks like your Brand-X Ascend dropper post @ 120mm fits about the same. Is that a medium frame and if you don't mind me asking, how tall are you?

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    From my emails with Kona's techs

    This is for the Big Honzo, but I'm assuming it's the same for the regular Honzo too
    AL - 73mm Threaded BB
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrianU View Post
    .... it is basically a rebadged Brand-X Ascend dropper post. On my N9, I had to run the 125mm PNW, because the 150mm was too long and noticed it looks like your Brand-X Ascend dropper post @ 120mm fits about the same. Is that a medium frame and if you don't mind me asking, how tall are you?
    So far I'm digging the dropper, it's smooth and it seems to be of surprisingly good quality considering the price...

    That's a large frame, I'm about 6' tall...fits pretty dang good!
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    Honzo Build Thread - post your builds here-e8b4557d-57d3-4a09-96bd-0a1f2e3c193e.jpgHonzo Build Thread - post your builds here-b088d4e0-8c26-44bb-9053-902d5c6269aa.jpg
    Blam! Shimano Zee in da house. Now I lost the prerogative to complain about the stopping power of the brakes ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yonsson View Post

    Blam! Shimano Zee in da house. Now I lost the prerogative to complain about the stopping power of the brakes ever again.
    Looking good! My brake upgrades were one of my favorite ones...could feel the difference immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BassistBiker View Post
    Looking good! My brake upgrades were one of my favorite ones...could feel the difference immediately.
    Nice to hear! Looking forward to testing them, just need to shorten the hoses first. Now Iíve almost dished out as much on the upgrades as on the complete bike, but I love it the way it rides now.

    Might need a little more grip in the rear though, I slipped a little in the rear yesterday,
    probably due to my increased confidence after the new fork and DHF up front. So will be adding a DHF or DHR II soon, just need to decide which one. After that I think Iím ďdoneĒ upgrading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ear_ache View Post
    For those interested, a Cake Eater 29x2.8 barely fits on my 2018 Honzo steel with Bontrager Line 40 rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yonsson View Post
    Nice to hear! Looking forward to testing them, just need to shorten the hoses first. Now Iíve almost dished out as much on the upgrades as on the complete bike, but I love it the way it rides now.

    Might need a little more grip in the rear though, I slipped a little in the rear yesterday,
    probably due to my increased confidence after the new fork and DHF up front. So will be adding a DHF or DHR II soon, just need to decide which one. After that I think Iím ďdoneĒ upgrading.
    Thatís why I decided to build up my bike from the frame up , but upgrades are always fun


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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Where were the sliders positioned in this picture?

    Hey man, off topic question. Did you ever ride an on one parkwood?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky View Post
    Where were the sliders positioned in this picture?
    All the way back - longest chainstay position. The tire runs nicely.


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    Long time, no visit, man there are some epic builds here!

    Bout time i shared mine since I did in '14. Things have changed a bit since

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    5 years on and this thing has taken on a carport and won, bought mega sniles to my face and scared the shit outnof me more than once.

    Steel is real!

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    I see a lot of comments from people wanting the rear end longer, can I ask why? Ive only every ran my slammed at 415mm and know no different, I just assumed that shorter would be better/more playful etc?

    Pros to running it longer? I assume it wouyld get more weight towards the front and technically be more stable?

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    Because long and slack is the trend...

    But yes, longer bikes are more stable at speed and in the air whilst reducing 'playfulness'. Ive rammed my rear wheel to the back of the dropouts and got a much longer front end thanks to the angleset and longer forks. I feel waaay more confident facing downhill now.

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    Finally got the wires in order! Might have cut them a bit too short perhaps but the previously insanely long wires drove me crazy. Really loving the new brakes, the Zeeís in combination with large Ice tech discs really packs some power. Locked up my rear wheel several times by accident during my last ride so now Iíve ordered a 2.3Ē DHF for the read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by static_x3 View Post
    Because long and slack is the trend...

    But yes, longer bikes are more stable at speed and in the air whilst reducing 'playfulness'. Ive rammed my rear wheel to the back of the dropouts and got a much longer front end thanks to the angleset and longer forks. I feel waaay more confident facing downhill now.

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    Yeah im running 150mm fork with a -2 degree angleset so its definetly long and slack up front!

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    Anyone using CushCore inserts for the R or F wheels on their honzo? I'm thinking about giving them a whirl...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteamboatSteamer View Post
    Anyone using CushCore inserts for the R or F wheels on their honzo? I'm thinking about giving them a whirl...
    A friend of mine has been using the equivalent from another brand this season.
    He said it was a pain to install but he is able to run very low pressures now so he is happy with them.

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    How many grams would be considered lightweight for a mtb wheelset?

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    I got a flat rear tire today so pretty good timing that Iíll hopefully get my new rear tire in the mail tomorrow. Pinch and puncture flat at the same time, the sealant sprayed like crazy, Iím a little skeptical that it will hold though.

    I was running 1.8BAR in the rear and Iím 100kg. Is that really low? I thought it was kind of standard rear tire pressure for tubeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnmz10 View Post
    How many grams would be considered lightweight for a mtb wheelset?
    I have Ibis 935 wheels with i9 Torch hubs. The set weighs 1,590 grams. Thats pretty damn light in my book. I'd say anything < 1,750 grams is light.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yonsson View Post
    I got a flat rear tire today so pretty good timing that Iíll hopefully get my new rear tire in the mail tomorrow. Pinch and puncture flat at the same time, the sealant sprayed like crazy, Iím a little skeptical that it will hold though.

    I was running 1.8BAR in the rear and Iím 100kg. Is that really low? I thought it was kind of standard rear tire pressure for tubeless.
    Hi,
    I'm about 84 kg nekkid, so I guess ready to ride I'll be about 90kg. I usually run 2 bars in the rear of the Honzo. I have a Maxxis High Roller 2, 29x2.3, Dual Compound TR Exo on a WTB Frequency I23 rim. I haven't had any flats in almost 2 years with that setup.
    You're currently runnig the oem WTB tire on the rear, right? Which tire did you order now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteamboatSteamer View Post
    Anyone using CushCore inserts for the R or F wheels on their honzo? I'm thinking about giving them a whirl...
    I run a cushcore in the rear, have done for almost a year. wouldnt go back, stupid amounts of grip and can confidently run 15psi no troubles ( its pretty wet and loose here)

    Havent used any other insert but cushcore looked like the best in my opinion, looked a little bit more like just some tube you jam inside your tire.

    Only downside is the weight, i think theyre like 125gm for a 29 or maybe 150? isnt much but if youre already running 1200g tires it adds up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    Hi,
    I'm about 84 kg nekkid, so I guess ready to ride I'll be about 90kg. I usually run 2 bars in the rear of the Honzo. I have a Maxxis High Roller 2, 29x2.3, Dual Compound TR Exo on a WTB Frequency I23 rim. I haven't had any flats in almost 2 years with that setup.
    You're currently runnig the oem WTB tire on the rear, right? Which tire did you order now?
    Yes, running oem WTB Trail boss 29Ēx2.25Ē. Ordered a DHF EXO 2.3Ē.

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    I have Vittoria Airliners front and rear on my Honzo. Fantastic!
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    Now in full DHF mode.
    2.5Ē front and 2.3Ē rear.

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    Honzo in action, kind of. Steep up and steep down. I biked with a colleague with mad skills, he did things both the way up and down that I didnít think was possible, so I now realize I need to practice my climbing.
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    Another question I'm having trouble finding the answer to: what adapters do I need or where so I find the correct adapter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mnmz10 View Post
    Another question I'm having trouble finding the answer to: what adapters do I need or where so I find the correct adapter?
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    Just go to your local bike shop and bring your bike. They can help you.

    You haven't clearly explained what your current setup is so nobody here can answer your question. Either post specific details and pictures or just go to a bike shop.
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    What specific details are needed? What beside the frame, brakes, and rotor size are needed? Thanks for help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnmz10 View Post
    What specific details are needed? What beside the frame, brakes, and rotor size are needed? Thanks for help.
    Is it post mount or direct mount? Is it Sram or Shimano? Are you asking about the front or rear, they're mounted differently. Is it stock or modified?
    Last edited by *OneSpeed*; 08-17-2019 at 05:27 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by *OneSpeed* View Post
    Is it post mount or direct mount? Is it Sram or Shimano? Are you asking about the front or rear, they're mounted differently. Is it stock or modified?

    Instead of asking stupid follow up questions you could at least answer my relevant questions and post a couple pictures. Or just go to your local bike shop like I said.

    People aren't very obliged to answer basic questions around here that can easily be answered by searching and doing a little reading. Be appreciative of knowledgable responses even if you don't understand fully.
    He provided all the info you're asking from him in his first post (honzo St always has IS2000, and he's looking for adapters for 180mm front and rear) . If you can't or don't want to help, you could at least not insult him with your arrogance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnmz10 View Post
    Another question I'm having trouble finding the answer to: what adapters do I need or where so I find the correct adapter?
    Honzo ST
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    I believe all the info you need is on the previous page. Good luck!

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    Those of you with the Steel variants, what did you do for mounting the rear caliper? I'm going to be running a 180mm rotor, but don't know what adapter to get since it's not the usual direct mount I have on the other bike.

    Or maybe I should just take a better look at the post 2 before mine.
    Looking at it I see how it's mounting it now.
    Haha.

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    All the paint has been stripped.

    I've used a spray on clear coat that's normally used for car wheels. We'll see how that works out.
    The clear coat is a matte finish so it takes the shine out a bit. But it gives the raw metal a little more depth in look.

    These pictures are before applying the clear coat. By the time I finished spraying it on the sun had gone down.




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    Does anybody know if thereís a wire included if I order a Wolftooth dropper lever? I ordered one today, their website isnít helping.
    All the OneUp dropper levers are sold with wire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yonsson View Post
    Does anybody know if thereís a wire included if I order a Wolftooth dropper lever? I ordered one today, their website isnít helping.
    All the OneUp dropper levers are sold with wire.
    I have 2 of them. Neither came with a cable.
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    Finished (1st) build!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideEverything View Post
    All the paint has been stripped.

    I've used a spray on clear coat that's normally used for car wheels. We'll see how that works out.
    The clear coat is a matte finish so it takes the shine out a bit. But it gives the raw metal a little more depth in look.

    These pictures are before applying the clear coat. By the time I finished spraying it on the sun had gone down.



    This looks so rediculously good!

    Also along this route, I have kind of entertained the thought of doing a Mad Max build, stripping the paint and letting it get a bit rusty before protecting it. Make it look like a total junker but then just point it downhill and unleash it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Autoclave_Armadillo View Post
    This looks so rediculously good!

    Also along this route, I have kind of entertained the thought of doing a Mad Max build, stripping the paint and letting it get a bit rusty before protecting it. Make it look like a total junker but then just point it downhill and unleash it!
    Thanks!

    I was mulling the idea of trying to do some sort of rust patina a la Rusty Bimmer styles but I realized I'm impatient and went straight to spraying on the anti-rust clearcoat.

    A friend suggested that I get some die cut Kona stickers and apply them before clearcoating then peel them off after to get the Kona lettering to rust out. That idea is definitely going to happen at some point.

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    Installed the wolf tooth today, works like a charm.
    I also bought a mismatch adapter for the right side to eliminate the gear clamp (shimano breaks & SRAM gears). Do I need to dismantle the gear lever to remove the clamp? Seems like it. Any springs I need to be ready to catch when I dismantle it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideEverything View Post
    A friend suggested that I get some die cut Kona stickers and apply them before clearcoating then peel them off after to get the Kona lettering to rust out. That idea is definitely going to happen at some point.
    That is awesome idea. I have always liked aged raw metal. Even better is Saint stuff will match well with the golden brazing material on the Honzo.

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    Epic fail! The gear lever handlebars clamp is integrated in the shifter, so apparently it only works on more expensive gear shifters.

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    It should work on GX and up shifters. No go on NX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooledup View Post
    It should work on GX and up shifters. No go on NX.
    I know that, now.
    Iíll keep it for the next bike, whenever that happens.

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    This bike is awesome AF.

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    The Honzo is absolutely glorious in all its simplicity.

    So. Much. Fun.
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    Honzo dropper help.st

    Hey,I have a 2016 honzo st that's nearly done.just trying to sort out a dropper.what size drop are you mob running.im 170cm tall.id post a photo but can't work out how to post a pic.cheers legends

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    Quote Originally Posted by freetibet View Post
    Hey,I have a 2016 honzo st that's nearly done.just trying to sort out a dropper.what size drop are you mob running.im 170cm tall.id post a photo but can't work out how to post a pic.cheers legends
    Bike size?

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    Medium.the bend in the tube is sorta messing with my head.1st time build

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    Quote Originally Posted by freetibet View Post
    Hey,I have a 2016 honzo st that's nearly done.just trying to sort out a dropper.what size drop are you mob running.im 170cm tall.id post a photo but can't work out how to post a pic.cheers legends
    Hey
    I'm running a 125mm reverb on my large 2016 Ti, will upgrade to a 160mm revive soon, there is enough room for that length.

    and a 125mm kind shock drop zone on my medium 2103 steel. This might take a 150, but not sure.

    I'm 179cm.
    I think a 150 Dropper would be max for your bike and size.

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    I am 178 cms. I am using a 150mm Transfer in my 2019 large ST (pic posted above). Works beautifully. The bend in the seat tube does not impact things. You can see that I almost have the Transfer buried. If I recall correctly, there is no issue dropping it fully into the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
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    The Honzo is absolutely glorious in all its simplicity.

    So. Much. Fun.
    So! Sweet!


    I'm agonizing about building up my frame. If I do that I, unfortunately, cannot run my fs bike because I share main parts between the two frames.
    It'll probably be mid-October when I swap over the Honzo and get my hardtail thrashing going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideEverything View Post
    So! Sweet!


    I'm agonizing about building up my frame. If I do that I, unfortunately, cannot run my fs bike because I share main parts between the two frames.
    It'll probably be mid-October when I swap over the Honzo and get my hardtail thrashing going.
    Thanks tons.

    I am blown away by this bike.

    I bought it to narrow the gap while riding with my daughter but I was shocked to discover that it's not all that much slower than my Druid. To be clear, I am riding pretty buff, flowy stuff with her (e.g.; Merlin View Loop at West Bragg) but nonetheless.

    I have also been very happy to discover that my body is still 100% intact with zero pain/fatigue post rides, and that I did not have to adjust my riding style at all for the hardtail (although I am still getting used to riding flats after decades of rocking clip-ins). Not really a question for this thread but WTF about launching off stuff on flats? I bet my feet often come a minimum of 12 inches off my pedals mid flight. I am very lucky I haven't yet landed nuts first on my top tube. I need to figure that out and then everything will be golden. Climbing with the flats is simple. Any suggestions about how to safely launch while riding flats would be appreciated.

    Back to the Honzo...

    After decades of screwing around with rear suspension and tens of thousands of dollars spent on different bikes trying to eliminate all the negatives of rear suspension, I believe I have finally found "the one" with the Druid. But my good God - the Honzo is perfectly capable and possibly even more fun for a lot of the terrain I am riding these days, even with my balls to the wall buddies, some of whom are beasts.

    Anyway, I could be perfectly happy with the Honzo being a one bike quiver. It obviously has its limits, but that's part of the fun and challenge. I feel a huge sense of accomplishment riding that bike, especially when I am with my buddies who are all hammering hard on full suspension bikes.

    As for you and your dilemma, just be happy that your riding season is likely a lot longer than mine. Soon I will be entering a deep freeze (although I will at least continue commuting on my rigid).

    Good luck with your ongoing Honzo project.

    PS - it took me forever, and almost cost me my relationship with my GF and daughter because of my raging, but I finally got that custom Ride Wrap kit installed (first on my Druid, then on the Honzo). The Druid was not so necessary, being a flat black carbon frame, but I sure am happy I persevered with the Honzo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    WTF about launching off stuff on flats?
    Hey mike, excellent that you like your awesome looking Honzo that much. I fully second that emotion. My Smuggler doesn't see any use these days - last time I rode it is almost 2 years ago.

    Regarding jumping with flats: you wanna use decent shoes with sticky soles (5.10s have been the best for me) and well shaped flats (i use RF Atlas and OneUps). With regards to the technique, you need to tilt your foot forward (toes down, heels up) and apply some backward pressure on the pedals, that will lock your foot onto the pedal and enable you to pull up your feet. Push into the fork to use the rebound for the launch and push your butt down a bit, then straighten your legs, pull up the bars and feet.

    Oh man my description sounds completely weird, sorry. That is at least the sequence of movements how I think I'm doing it if I break it down in my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    Hey mike, awesome that you like your awesome looking Honzo that much. I fully second that emotion. My Smuggler doesn't see any use these days - last time I rode it is almost 2 years ago.

    Regarding jumping with flats: you wanna use decent shoes with sticky soles (5.10s have been the best for me) and well shaped flats (i use RF Atlas and OneUps). With regards to the technique, you need to tilt your foot forward (toes down, heels up) and apply some backward pressure on the pedals, that will lock your foot onto the pedal and enable you to pull up your feet. Push into the fork to use the rebound for the launch and push your butt down a bit, then straighten your legs, pull up the bars and feet.

    Oh man my description sounds completely weird, sorry. That is at least the sequence of movements how I think I'm doing it if I break it down in my mind.
    Perfect. I' m using some older Specialized Bennies flats that have the pins worn down a bit so I don't shred my legs. I will be replacing those with my Kona Wah Wah 2s very soon (maybe right now). I am wearing 5-10 Freerider Pros and Freeriders.

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    Your suggested technique sounds great. I will try it!

    Thanks Rynee.
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