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    I imagine it is a 29+ specific fork. Most 29/27.5+ forks can only fit a 29x2.8.[/QUOTE]

    I found the cog post. it looks like they might have shaved down the knobs, or that wheel doesn't actually spin. 130mm pike rct3 and 31mm internal rims.

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    The answer to a question nobody asked

    29x2.6 Nobby nics can fit on an AL frame (kinda). The rear has been trimmed to fit. Looking forward to taking it for a spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    29x2.6 Nobby nics can fit on an AL frame (kinda). The rear has been trimmed to fit. Looking forward to taking it for a spin.

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    JESUS! Is there any point running a 2.6 nobby if its no longer nobby though? Depending where you ride i guess itll be okaay but

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    Quote Originally Posted by HonzSolo View Post
    JESUS! Is there any point running a 2.6 nobby if its no longer nobby though? Depending where you ride i guess itll be okaay but
    Ran that tire on the back of my old process 111 with no issues. The tread is no worse than a racing ralph.

    For the most part, it really doesnt matter what tire youre running in austin as long as its tubeless with a strong sidewall. There is no dirt or enough elevation to get speed to be an issue and the trails are nothing but dry roots and rocks. I ran a schwalbe fat albert rear on the front of my honzo for a few months and wasn't any worse that the NN.



    Would i run it in the PNW? No
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    Keep an eye on pinkbike classified to get an idea of they're worth used.

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    Will do, thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BicyclistBob89 View Post
    Out of curiosity, can you sell a one year old Honzo CR frame for a decent price? or do they take a huge hit and are hard to unload?
    I've seen some on pinkbike, but they've often been listed for months without selling. The carbon trailtail market is quite limited to begin with and especially with the EPO having half the pricetag and arguably better features.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BicyclistBob89 View Post
    Out of curiosity, can you sell a one year old Honzo CR frame for a decent price? or do they take a huge hit and are hard to unload?
    I got $900 for a less than a year old frame in very good condition. I sold it quickly at that price - I was motivated to move on.

    And Vegard's points are spot on.

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    Theres a sweet spot with selling used bikes. You have to either buy for a really low price or be willing to take a loss. Konas dont hold their value very well so the turnaround has to be within a model year or two at most. For this reason i try to buy them for 25-30% off sticker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    Theres a sweet spot with selling used bikes. You have to either buy for a really low price or be willing to take a loss. Konas dont hold their value very well so the turnaround has to be within a model year or two at most. For this reason i try to buy them for 25-30% off sticker.
    Exactly why I don't see a point in trying to sell my Ti, making the best of it untill I can get a new frame.

    Fresh wheels and singlespeed setup:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    Exactly why I don't see a point in trying to sell my Ti, making the best of it untill I can get a new frame.

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    So jealous of this.

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    Is there any general consensus on optimum fork size for a steel Honzo?

    Also, pardon my ignorance but would there be a significant weight penalty (or other downside) knocking a 36 160 down to a 140 (assuming I can do this)? I can get a Factory 36 160 that was taken off another bike for a super scorching deal right now, but I don't want to screw things up over a few hundred dollars, if that is not the optimum fork. I will happily pay extra for a 140 if that would be a better route to go.

    Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

    Thanks tons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Is there any general consensus on optimum fork size for a steel Honzo?

    Also, pardon my ignorance but would there be a significant weight penalty (or other downside) knocking a 36 160 down to a 140 (assuming I can do this)? I can get a Factory 36 160 that was taken off another bike for a super scorching deal right now, but I don't want to screw things up over a few hundred dollars, if that is not the optimum fork. I will happily pay extra for a 140 if that would be a better route to go.

    Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

    Thanks tons.
    I was running a Fox 36 at 160mm for this season on my OG Honzo. I've never been concerned about weight as I'm a giant and lightweight parts have a tendency to flex badly or break under me.

    I've also run a Fox 34 at 150mm. It was good but when I changed to the 36 it highlighted how much the 34 was flexing under me.


    I had the 36 set to 150mm last season and I liked it but wanted to try 160mm. I was really lazy and never got around to changing the travel back down to 150mm on the 36.
    160mm is too much for the Honzo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Is there any general consensus on optimum fork size for a steel Honzo?

    Also, pardon my ignorance but would there be a significant weight penalty (or other downside) knocking a 36 160 down to a 140 (assuming I can do this)? I can get a Factory 36 160 that was taken off another bike for a super scorching deal right now, but I don't want to screw things up over a few hundred dollars, if that is not the optimum fork. I will happily pay extra for a 140 if that would be a better route to go.

    Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

    Thanks tons.
    Hey,
    I have a 2017 fox 36 set at 150 on my honzo ti. Iím quite happy with it, but have decided to switch to 140 this winter.
    These spacers are required:
    https://www.bike24.at/p1184216.html

    Not sure about the weight, but it seems negligible.
    Note that the process is messy, itís probably better to have the lbs do it.
    Iím sure the 36 is the better option for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Is there any general consensus on optimum fork size for a steel Honzo?

    Also, pardon my ignorance but would there be a significant weight penalty (or other downside) knocking a 36 160 down to a 140 (assuming I can do this)? I can get a Factory 36 160 that was taken off another bike for a super scorching deal right now, but I don't want to screw things up over a few hundred dollars, if that is not the optimum fork. I will happily pay extra for a 140 if that would be a better route to go.

    Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

    Thanks tons.
    oh [email protected], what are you up to now
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    oh [email protected], what are you up to now
    I know. I know. I seriously need an intervention.

    I was returning a few things at my LBS that I didn't use on my Sight build, and saw the Honzo 30th Birthday Special Edition sitting there. I just couldn't pass it up. I mean, who doesn't need a steel hardtail in their quiver, right? I got #27 of 201. LMAO.

    100% impulse purchase. I spent less than 5 minutes deciding whether to buy it.

    So I bought it and then promptly left for a 10 day Western Canada biking trip.

    I just got back and now realize that some major surgery is required with that bike. In hindsight, I probably should have bought the Big Honzo but yeah. Whatever. Since I have not taken that bike on dirt yet, my LBS is letting me swap whatever I want, and giving me the friends and family deal on everything. I am lucky. I bought the bike for the frame but did not give enough thought to the component spec. My LBS is saving me at this point. That's what 25 years of being a loyal customer gets me.

    Among other things I am going to replace the NX drivetrain and Level T brakes with XT (except the crank, which will be a RaceFace Turbine with the new RF oval ring), and the Trans-X dropper and remote with a Fox Transfer and Wolf Tooth I-Spec. I have not had anything Shimano for well over 5 years now. The driver on the stock rear wheel is Shimano compatible only so I figured what the hell. May as well try it out. The XT is shockingly inexpensive compared to SRAM, so if I hate it, a full on conversion down the road won't be too painful.

    XT brakes...2 piston or 4 piston...hmmm...

    The big issue though is the fork. After riding RockShox for well over 5 years, I am blown away by the 36 and DPX2 on my Sight. I need to stick with Fox right now. I spent 3 years button fiddling with my RockShox fork and shock on my Range, and never did get it to where I wanted it. The Fox stuff is next level for me. Way easier to dial in, and way nicer feeling for how I ride.

    I would like to swap the 120 Revelation that is on there for a 34 or 36. I tried to read this entire thread a few times now. Just trying to figure out what people are running for fork size. I appreciate the range is wide - from 120 to 160, but I was wondering whether there was any general consensus on what would work well for the steep and deep, without sacrificing climbing and handling. I was thinking 140 might be a reasonable compromise, but that is only based on some of the posts I read here (and the fact that I have a 36 140 on my Sight, which I like).

    So yeah. After dropping a small fortune on my Sight, I am now straight back into it with this Honzo. Oh well. Life is short. I am not going to ride something I am not happy with. Fk that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    I know. I know. I seriously need an intervention.

    I was returning a few things at my LBS that I didn't use on my Sight build, and saw the Honzo 30th Birthday Special Edition sitting there. I just couldn't pass it up. I mean, who doesn't need a steel hardtail in their quiver, right? I got #27 of 201. LMAO.

    100% impulse purchase. I spent less than 5 minutes deciding whether to buy it.

    So I bought it and then promptly left for a 10 day Western Canada biking trip.

    I just got back and now realize that some major surgery is required with that bike. In hindsight, I probably should have bought the Big Honzo but yeah. whatever. Since I have not taken that bike on dirt yet, my LBS is letting me swap whatever I want, and giving me the friends and family deal on everything.

    Among other things I am going to replace the NX drivetrain and Level T brakes with XT (except the crank, which will be a RaceFace Turbine with the new RF oval ring), and the Trans-X dropper and remote with a Fox Transfer and Wolf Tooth I-Spec. I have not had anything Shimano for well over 5 years now. The driver on the stock rear wheel is Shimano compatible only so I figured what the hell. May as well try it out. The XT is shockingly inexpensive compared to SRAM, so if I hate it, a full on conversion down the road won't be too painful.

    XT brakes...2 piston or 4 piston...hmmm...

    The big issue though is the fork. After riding RockShox for well over 5 years, I am blown away by the 36 and DPX2 on my Sight. I need to stick with Fox right now. I spent 3 years button fiddling with my RockShox fork and shock on my Range, and never did get it to where I wanted it. The Fox stuff is next level for me. Way easier to dial in, and way nicer feeling for how I ride.

    I would like to swap the 120 Revelation that is on there for a 34 or 36. I tried to read this entire thread a few times now. Just trying to figure out what people are running for fork size. I appreciate the range is wide - from 120 to 160, but I was wondering whether there was any general consensus on what would work well for the steep and deep, without sacrificing climbing and handling? I was thinking 140 might be a reasonable compromise, but that is only based on some of the posts I read here (and the fact that I have a 36 140 on my Sight, which I like).

    So yeah. After dropping a small fortune on my Sight, I am now straight back into it with this Honzo. Oh well. Life is short. I am not going to ride something I am not happy with. Fk that.
    Killer man, congrats!

    IMHO, i like a 66* / 130mm setup or 67*/120mm on the honzo and process. I can say if you run 140mm and slack the HTA with angleset, do a reduced offset CSU. Definite game changer.

    Lastly, I think you can fit 29x2.6 on the steel bikes so theres a lot of options now for bigger meat. I trimmed a 2.6 NN to fit on the back of my 16 AL.

    Oh and yeah, we both might need to join the betty ford for mountain bikers.
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    Still my favorite bike

    Looking at then and now pics of my 2014 Honzo. My first ride on it and the last time I had it out on the trail last week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    ...Oh and yeah, we both might need to join the betty ford for mountain bikers.
    You know I am a long time hard core Kona fan. I wanted so bad to buy a Kona this year for my go to full suspension trail bike, but felt that Kona really $hit the bed on things. This new Honzo helps me get back in sync with my all time favourite bike company. With my Honzo, I now have 5 Konas in my garage.

    And besides, this was destiny. I had previously ordered from Kona some nice beer mugs, 2 of which were the 30th anniversary ones. Seeing that 30th Anniversary bike sitting there when I went in, with the same decals as on my beer glasses, I knew that it just had to be. How could I not get a matching bike for my beer glasses? Seriously.

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    I run 120 on both my Honzo and 111....and love the handling. Both were previously at 140, but I found the handling to be much better at 120 (I ride a lot of tight, twisty trails). I'm thinking 140 sounds good for you...any more and I'm thinking handling will be affected too much. I'm loving the 2018 Fox 34 120. Post some pictures of the 30th edition!

    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    I know. I know. I seriously need an intervention.

    I was returning a few things at my LBS that I didn't use on my Sight build, and saw the Honzo 30th Birthday Special Edition sitting there. I just couldn't pass it up. I mean, who doesn't need a steel hardtail in their quiver, right? I got #27 of 201. LMAO.

    100% impulse purchase. I spent less than 5 minutes deciding whether to buy it.

    So I bought it and then promptly left for a 10 day Western Canada biking trip.

    I just got back and now realize that some major surgery is required with that bike. In hindsight, I probably should have bought the Big Honzo but yeah. Whatever. Since I have not taken that bike on dirt yet, my LBS is letting me swap whatever I want, and giving me the friends and family deal on everything. I am lucky. I bought the bike for the frame but did not give enough thought to the component spec. My LBS is saving me at this point. That's what 25 years of being a loyal customer gets me.

    Among other things I am going to replace the NX drivetrain and Level T brakes with XT (except the crank, which will be a RaceFace Turbine with the new RF oval ring), and the Trans-X dropper and remote with a Fox Transfer and Wolf Tooth I-Spec. I have not had anything Shimano for well over 5 years now. The driver on the stock rear wheel is Shimano compatible only so I figured what the hell. May as well try it out. The XT is shockingly inexpensive compared to SRAM, so if I hate it, a full on conversion down the road won't be too painful.

    XT brakes...2 piston or 4 piston...hmmm...

    The big issue though is the fork. After riding RockShox for well over 5 years, I am blown away by the 36 and DPX2 on my Sight. I need to stick with Fox right now. I spent 3 years button fiddling with my RockShox fork and shock on my Range, and never did get it to where I wanted it. The Fox stuff is next level for me. Way easier to dial in, and way nicer feeling for how I ride.

    I would like to swap the 120 Revelation that is on there for a 34 or 36. I tried to read this entire thread a few times now. Just trying to figure out what people are running for fork size. I appreciate the range is wide - from 120 to 160, but I was wondering whether there was any general consensus on what would work well for the steep and deep, without sacrificing climbing and handling. I was thinking 140 might be a reasonable compromise, but that is only based on some of the posts I read here (and the fact that I have a 36 140 on my Sight, which I like).

    So yeah. After dropping a small fortune on my Sight, I am now straight back into it with this Honzo. Oh well. Life is short. I am not going to ride something I am not happy with. Fk that.

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    Thanks guys for the quick responses. I am leaning towards the 34 at 140. If I understand correctly, I can always drop it down to 130 or 120 quite easily (hopefully I am not wrong on that).

    ***sidenote - it's weird that on the Fox site, it lists my 36 as only going down to 150, yet it is set up at 140 on my Sight. Dammit, there is so much I know so little about...

    EDIT: chunkylover53 - I will post some pics after my Wah Wah 2 pedals arrive, and after I get my Honzo back from the LBS. It is currently there, being prepped for major surgery. That Turbine crank is taking a bit to arrive. RaceFace is always the last stuff to arrive. Every single time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    ...Lastly, I think you can fit 29x2.6 on the steel bikes so theres a lot of options now for bigger meat. I trimmed a 2.6 NN to fit on the back of my 16 AL.
    The Honzo came stock with an OEM white lettered 2.3 3C DHF on the front, and a dual 2.3 DHF on the rear. I have an after market yellow lettered 2.3 3C DHF/DHR 2 combo on my Sight. For whatever reason, the Minions on the Honzo are like pizza cutters compared to my Sight. It's incredible.

    The only differences are that the Honzo is not yet set up tubeless, and it has the stock WTB id29 rims, whereas my Sight is set up tubeless on We Are One Insider rims at id27.

    The tires on the Honzo look scary skinny to me. Very 2005-ish.

    As much as I prefer the white lettering, they may have to go. I am thinking of just going with a 2.5 DHF 3C/Dual combo, or maybe a 2.5 DHF 3C/2.4 DHR2 Dual combo. The Minions (at 2.3, 2.4 or 2.5) seem like the perfect tires for the terrain in my area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    The Honzo came stock with an OEM white lettered 2.3 3C DHF on the front, and a dual 2.3 DHF on the rear. I have an after market yellow lettered 2.3 3C DHF/DHR 2 combo on my Sight. For whatever reason, the Minions on the Honzo are like pizza cutters compared to my Sight. It's incredible.

    The only differences are that the Honzo is not yet set up tubeless, and it has the stock WTB id29 rims, whereas my Sight is set up tubeless on We Are One Insider rims at id27.

    The tires on the Honzo look scary skinny to me. Very 2005-ish.

    As much as I prefer the white lettering, they may have to go. I am thinking of just going with a 2.5 DHF 3C/Dual combo, or maybe a 2.5 DHF 3C/2.4 DHR2 Dual combo. The Minions (at 2.3, 2.4 or 2.5) seem like the perfect tires for the terrain in my area.
    heya,
    2.5 minions f+r should be the way to go for you... or do they even sell 29 x 2.6 minions stateside?
    regarding rims: i have the same wtb st i29 rims on my 2016 honzo al - they are heavy but still ok, and were by far the cheapest reasonable upgrade 2 years back.

    btw (sorry if i'm stating the obvious) regarding oem vs aftermarket tires: it seems that by now, there is no big difference, but in prior years, some oem fittings were definitely inferior to the after market offering. my 2016 al came with non-tubeless ready, wire bead ardents. they had to go immediately.

    regarding the fork: even if it might be blasphemy, but did you take a look at the suntour durolux? it comes with 36 mm stanchions, and changing travel on suntour forks is cheaper and way easier than on fox forks.

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    ah sorry, i just saw that the 29er durolux travel can only be adjusted between 150, 160 and 170.

    the auron boost 29er can be set to 130, 140, 150 by way of internal spacers, and has 35mm stanchions:



    https://www.srsuntour.com/collections/enduro-all-mountain/products/auron-boost-rc2-pcs-15qlc-29-27-5?variant=8110929543262

    here's the link to the travel spacers:
    https://www.srsuntour.com/collection...nt=27528570883

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    Ever tried Specialized tires?? Yeah, I know, evil specialized and everything, but the Butcher front (2.6) and Purgatory rear (2.3) is a really great set up. Also, they are cheap...I think retail each is about 75 CDN, then probably a bit of a discount. I gotta bit tired of spending money, so I tried them out and am impressed so far.

    Yes, Fox forks are a bit of bother to adjust height - now you do have to replace the airshaft (unlike a few years back when you could do with spacers). You're probably looking at a couple hundred in parts, so I'd aim to get the "correct" size the first time around

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    You can just keep adding travel spacers to the Durolux spring shaft and lower travel as much as you want. My 2012 Durolux has three drilled roll pin holes for positioning but you can just use clip on spacers instead of driving out the roll pin and moving it. NSMB has pic of a 3.0 tire clearing the arch so it will be my choice once I figure out if I am buying a Honzo.

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    Decision made. Factory 34 at 140. The bad news is that there is a month delay on delivery. Definitely worth waiting for though, IMHO.

    Good thing I just bought another bike to hold me over. Even though, it's going to be a long wait...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Decision made. Factory 34 at 140. The bad news is that there is a month delay on delivery. Definitely worth waiting for though, IMHO.

    Good thing I just bought another bike to hold me over. Even though, it's going to be a long wait...
    If you can, get reduced offset

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    If you can, get reduced offset
    Marcus - thanks.

    Please pardon my ignorance, but what benefit does reduced offset impart? Is this the whole Transition thing? I can google it if it's too involved to explain quickly.

    Thanks again.

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    My son and I will have to make this the Honzo rebuild thread shortly. He's taken over the very well loved Honzo. New wheels built, broke der should be replaced this week, other parts replaced, and a nicely refreshed Honzo ready to ride soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Marcus - thanks.

    Please pardon my ignorance, but what benefit does reduced offset impart? Is this the whole Transition thing? I can google it if it's too involved to explain quickly.

    Thanks again.

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    Answering my own question, here is a reasonably decent explanation of reduced offset for any others who care to know but didn't.

    https://nsmb.com/articles/short-fork...whats-it-good/

    After reading the article and the comments below it, I wonder whether the 68 degree head angle (with a 120 fork at least) without an angleset makes the Honzo not a great candidate for a reduced offset fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Answering my own question, here is a reasonably decent explanation of reduced offset for any others who care to know but didn't.

    https://nsmb.com/articles/short-fork...whats-it-good/

    After reading the article and the comments below it, I wonder whether the 68 degree head angle (with a 120 fork at least) without an angleset makes the Honzo not a great candidate for a reduced offset fork.
    IMHO, i wouldnt do a 2* or 140mm without shortening the offest. My honzo currently has a 1* works and standard 51mm with 120mm travel pike. For me, that seems to be the sweet spot for that amount of travel and HTA. I like to use the honzo as a flickable, fun and nimble bike rather than a basher. I have a FS for that. My 111 had 2* with 40mm CSU and 130mm. The 111 felt the most planted in turns and the short offset helped pull the front wheel back a bit after being raked by the angleset. Also, dont forget the HTA steepens on hardtails when you sag it to 20-30% so sometimes the angleset is just getting you back to stock HTA.

    As an experiment, im building a hei hei 29 with a 2*, 40mm offset and 120mm fork. Should be interesting.

    This article gave me the confidence to more forward with the shortened offset project on my 111.

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    ATXZJ: What fork are you using that has a 40mm offset?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    IMHO, i wouldnt do a 2* or 140mm without shortening the offest. My honzo currently has a 1* works and standard 51mm with 120mm travel pike. For me, that seems to be the sweet spot for that amount of travel and HTA. I like to use the honzo as a flickable, fun and nimble bike rather than a basher. I have a FS for that...
    I'm in the same boat. I will grab my Sight (or Operator) for the gnarlier terrain. The Honzo is more intended for the flowier stuff, and for riding with my daughter at a much more casual pace, to make things more challenging and fun for me.

    Maybe I should just leave the fork alone and stick with the Revelation for now. I can always swap out the Mo-Co damper for a Charger2 if I like it. Or switch to a 34 and eat the $500 trade-in value I was getting on the Revelation. It's only money, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwapik View Post
    ATXZJ: What fork are you using that has a 40mm offset?
    Pike 29" with a CSU from a pike 26". Figured I'd go all in if I were doing the conversion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    I'm in the same boat. I will grab my Sight (or Operator) for the gnarlier terrain. The Honzo is more intended for the flowier stuff, and for riding with my daughter at a much more casual pace, to make things more challenging and fun for me.

    Maybe I should just leave the fork alone and stick with the Revelation for now. I can always swap out the Mo-Co damper for a Charger2 if I like it. Or switch to a 34 and eat the $500 trade-in value I was getting on the Revelation. It's only money, right?
    Is this the new revelation? Doesn't it have bigger stanchions? If it were me, I'd do a debonair shaft if it doesn't have one already and throw in an a avalanche cartridge if I wanted more.

    Will a charger 2 damper fit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    Is this the new revelation? Doesn't it have bigger stanchions? If it were me, I'd do a debonair shaft if it doesn't have one already and throw in an a avalanche cartridge if I wanted more.

    Will a charger 2 damper fit?
    Yes - the new one.

    35 mm stanchions. Debonair shaft but...alas...Mo-Co damper. From the RockShox site:

    "Revelation RC

    Revelation has grown, and after representing the original long travel forks, itís ready to tackle the most demanding trail and enduro rides. The chassis is directly derived from Pike, with 35mm upper tubes for unmatched stiffness and to match the aggressive look of modern trail and enduro bikes. Damping is handled by our proven Motion Controlô with a specific tune to match Chargerís feeling, with travel options up to 160mm for 27.5" and 150mm for 29". The new DebonAirô air spring reduces friction from every single moving part, maintaining traction in more conditions than ever before."

    The Charger 2 damper will fit. There is an upgrade kit for that.

    Looks like I can increase the travel on this fork if I want, which I didn't know. Maybe I should just keep it, and upgrade the damper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Yes - the new one.

    35 mm stanchions. Debonair shaft but...alas...Mo-Co damper. From the RockShox site:

    "Revelation RC

    Revelation has grown, and after representing the original long travel forks, itís ready to tackle the most demanding trail and enduro rides. The chassis is directly derived from Pike, with 35mm upper tubes for unmatched stiffness and to match the aggressive look of modern trail and enduro bikes. Damping is handled by our proven Motion Controlô with a specific tune to match Chargerís feeling, with travel options up to 160mm for 27.5" and 150mm for 29". The new DebonAirô air spring reduces friction from every single moving part, maintaining traction in more conditions than ever before."

    The Charger 2 damper will fit. There is an upgrade kit for that.

    Looks like I can increase the travel on this fork if I want, which I didn't know. Maybe I should just keep it, and upgrade the damper.
    Cool. I'd keep and upgrade. From what I've been told, the debonair shaft makes a pretty big difference. I bought one for the pike going in the HEI HEI because of the feedback.

    Charger 2s can be had cheap too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    IMHO, i wouldnt do a 2* or 140mm without shortening the offest. My honzo currently has a 1* works and standard 51mm with 120mm travel pike. For me, that seems to be the sweet spot for that amount of travel and HTA. I like to use the honzo as a flickable, fun and nimble bike rather than a basher. I have a FS for that. My 111 had 2* with 40mm CSU and 130mm. The 111 felt the most planted in turns and the short offset helped pull the front wheel back a bit after being raked by the angleset. Also, dont forget the HTA steepens on hardtails when you sag it to 20-30% so sometimes the angleset is just getting you back to stock HTA.

    As an experiment, im building a hei hei 29 with a 2*, 40mm offset and 120mm fork. Should be interesting.

    This article gave me the confidence to more forward with the shortened offset project on my 111.

    https://www.bikeradar.com/us/mtb/gea...eriment-45343/
    I will be running a -2 degree works with a 140mm revelation, just waiting for the damn bike to arrive so I can get fiddling with it! Will keep you posted how it goes, I was worried about the offset too but time will tell! effectively a 65 degree head angle so it could be too slack, can always take the angleset out though!

    Bikes due this month fingers crossed

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    I'm sure somewhere on this thread this is mentioned....but I'm wondering: anybody know of an easily available thru axle for the rear - i.e., the kabolt style, not the qr style. I have an ibis one, but the thread pitch is different. This is for the adapters on a Ti Honzo

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunkylover53 View Post
    I'm sure somewhere on this thread this is mentioned....but I'm wondering: anybody know of an easily available thru axle for the rear - i.e., the kabolt style, not the qr style. I have an ibis one, but the thread pitch is different. This is for the adapters on a Ti Honzo
    You might check with:

    https://robertaxleproject.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunkylover53 View Post
    I'm sure somewhere on this thread this is mentioned....but I'm wondering: anybody know of an easily available thru axle for the rear - i.e., the kabolt style, not the qr style. I have an ibis one, but the thread pitch is different. This is for the adapters on a Ti Honzo
    https://r2-bike.com/SHIFT-UP-Steckac...-rot-schwarz_1

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    So jealous of this.
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    How did you get your frame stripped of paint? Did you have it done professionally or was it DIY?

    I may be getting a 2019 Honzo ST but I'm not too keen on the colour and was contemplating stipping the paint. Although, friends have suggested a Rasta theme colour but I have yet to find a gold coloured handlebar with a 35mm clamp area. Most of the parts that I'd be moving over are red so with the green frame it'd be more of a Christmas theme. If I throw a bit of gold at it it would be more Rasta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunkylover53 View Post
    I'm sure somewhere on this thread this is mentioned....but I'm wondering: anybody know of an easily available thru axle for the rear - i.e., the kabolt style, not the qr style. I have an ibis one, but the thread pitch is different. This is for the adapters on a Ti Honzo
    I use the maxle stealth on my bikes

    https://www.worldwidecyclery.com/pro...oaAu9pEALw_wcB
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    Perfect, thanks. Itís funny, I remember when qr thru axles came out, and they seemed great. Now I just so much prefer the bolt on type

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    I use the maxle stealth on my bikes

    https://www.worldwidecyclery.com/pro...oaAu9pEALw_wcB

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    Quote Originally Posted by chunkylover53 View Post
    Perfect, thanks. Itís funny, I remember when qr thru axles came out, and they seemed great. Now I just so much prefer the bolt on type
    The maxle in the link is the wrong spec as its boost. Tis use regular 142mm, but they have those too

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    I did it myself wanted a rough look so just wire brushed it off, came out perfect... or maybe I should say imperfect. Got a little rust on it now and slapped a clearcoat over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maximo View Post
    I did it myself wanted a rough look so just wire brushed it off, came out perfect... or maybe I should say imperfect. Got a little rust on it now and slapped a clearcoat over.
    Thanks for the response.
    Did you use any chemicals/stripper or did you just use an insane amount of elbow grease and time with that wire brush?

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    Thanks for the response.
    Did you use any chemicals/stripper or did you just use an insane amount of elbow grease and time with that wire brush?
    Just elbow grease and time.

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    I'll call this Chapter 2.

    Our Greenzo has had a refresh. Worn out parts replaced, and recycled some nice White titanium guts MI6 hubs from a 26r with axle conversion kit, new bearings and built with WTB Asym i29 rims. It's got a WTB Riddler rear and Trail Boss front.

    It's also chapter 2 with one of my kids riding it a lot.

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    So...has anyone built up a Honzo....rode it...and just dont enjoy riding it? I spent a bunch of money building a 2018 ST with a Ribbon, GX Eagle, Chris King wheels/head set, and carbon bits....

    and i just hate how it rides :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by derek1387 View Post
    So...has anyone built up a Honzo....rode it...and just dont enjoy riding it? I spent a bunch of money building a 2018 ST with a Ribbon, GX Eagle, Chris King wheels/head set, and carbon bits....

    and i just hate how it rides :-/
    Interesting. Why so? Do you prefer other hardtails? Steel hardtails?

    Mine is still at my LBS undergoing major surgery. Awaiting arrival of a Factory 34.

    I bought mine on a total whim. 100% impulse. I havenít ridden a hardtail for well over a decade (well, except my winter daily commuter, which is a Kona rigid). Going from a Range to a Sight, I have REALLY enjoyed the decreased travel. I figured what the hell. May as well stretch that line of thinking further.

    I have owned maybe a dozen Konas. I have LOVED the geo on every single one.

    Very interested in why youíre unhappy. Weight? Geo? Fork? Components?

    What travel fork and what size tires are you running? I have found out after I bought mine (weeks ago) that lots of guys I respect greatly as riders, are riding the Honzo on all sorts of blacks and double blacks locally. Between that and Chromag offerings, including the Ti Surface and Rootdown, the Honzo is definitely a go to bike here for everything from fast flow to the steep gnar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derek1387 View Post
    So...has anyone built up a Honzo....rode it...and just dont enjoy riding it? I spent a bunch of money building a 2018 ST with a Ribbon, GX Eagle, Chris King wheels/head set, and carbon bits....

    and i just hate how it rides :-/
    Erm, what were you expecting?
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    Not sure to be honest....the slack head tube really dulls down the ride. Just kinda...slow and....dull.

    I prefer more off a cross country feel i guess

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    Isn't it still 68* (?)

    As Mike said, what travel fork are you running?

    Point it down and go fast. That's where the honzo shines
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    Isn't it still 68* (?)
    It is. And it will be less than that once I replace the 120 fork with a 140. And I am still wondering whether itís going to be too STEEP.

    The Ti Surface and the Rootdown are 66 and 65 degrees respectively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derek1387 View Post
    So...has anyone built up a Honzo....rode it...and just dont enjoy riding it? I spent a bunch of money building a 2018 ST with a Ribbon, GX Eagle, Chris King wheels/head set, and carbon bits....

    and i just hate how it rides :-/
    Just send it to my house - especially if itís a size bigger than mine because my teenage twins are not done growing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derek1387 View Post
    So...has anyone built up a Honzo....rode it...and just dont enjoy riding it? I spent a bunch of money building a 2018 ST with a Ribbon, GX Eagle, Chris King wheels/head set, and carbon bits....

    and i just hate how it rides :-/
    Not to pee on your plight, but this is why you atleast should demo a similar riding bike before going all in.

    Lower the fork and buy an XC frame, chalk the loss up to learning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    It is. And it will be less than that once I replace the 120 fork with a 140. And I am still wondering whether itís going to be too STEEP.

    The Ti Surface and the Rootdown are 66 and 65 degrees respectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derek1387 View Post
    Not sure to be honest....the slack head tube really dulls down the ride. Just kinda...slow and....dull.

    I prefer more off a cross country feel i guess
    sorry for stating the obvious here, but if your fork has more than 120 travel, give it another try with 120 (the frame was designed for that amount, after all). if you already run it at 120, maybe its the weight that kills off the groove for you, or maybe the honzo just isn't the ride for you, and you would be better off swapping the parts over to another more xc oriented frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by derek1387 View Post
    So...has anyone built up a Honzo....rode it...and just dont enjoy riding it? I spent a bunch of money building a 2018 ST with a Ribbon, GX Eagle, Chris King wheels/head set, and carbon bits....

    and i just hate how it rides :-/
    Yeah, kinda same thing happened to me... but I learned to appreciate what a Honzo is and what it does well... I ended up building an older, light steel frame into a "smaller" trail bike and am now happy choosing between the smaller bike and the Honzo, depending on the trail... Where I agree with you is that the new Honzo could defiantly not be my only rig where I live, there are too many rocky, slow trials for the Honzo to shine-- long front-center is wonky at slow speeds.

    On the trails it was built for I have learned that the Honzo can land in and handle almost any junk with relative grace. It takes some muscle to push around but it responds and is very satisfying to "drive" the front end.

    I run 130mm fork, and I would run 120 if it weren't so rocky here (I don't want to lower the BB). As mentioned above, lower the fork!

    I'd get a XC bike TOO (100mm that puts the front tire wheel juuuust in front of your toes!), and ride both, If your trails are gnarly enough, you'll learn why the Honzo has earned its name and why small XC bikes are soo fun! I LOVE BOTH BIKES!

    Said again, it may not be THE bike for you, but it might be A bike for you. Give it some time and enjoy the new geometry before jumping ship too soon--you've already done 90% of the depreciation! I've learned it is a great bike FOR WHAT IT IS, and I did alot of that learning after I thought I hated the bike!

    Anyway, I am rambling. Enjoy riding and the entire spectrum of bikes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by derek1387 View Post
    So...has anyone built up a Honzo....rode it...and just dont enjoy riding it? I spent a bunch of money building a 2018 ST with a Ribbon, GX Eagle, Chris King wheels/head set, and carbon bits....

    and i just hate how it rides :-/
    I wouldn't say I *hate* it but it is one of the last to leave the garage. I built mine last year and have put 96.4 miles on it since. I just LOVE my full suspension bikes and thought this would fill a void on fast, flowy, non-technical trail but I always go back to my FS.

    Because the internet is for pics... my Honzo at the MB Hulk. The Honzo was a MAJOR improvement over my Gnarvester there - seems like this bike has been relegated to that trail only
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    sorry for stating the obvious here, but if your fork has more than 120 travel, give it another try with 120 (the frame was designed for that amount, after all). if you already run it at 120, maybe its the weight that kills off the groove for you, or maybe the honzo just isn't the ride for you, and you would be better off swapping the parts over to another more xc oriented frame?
    I may do that. I have a Hei Hei i just put a 130 on and is a TON of fun compared to the Hei Hei with a 120.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pick View Post
    I wouldn't say I *hate* it but it is one of the last to leave the garage. I built mine last year and have put 96.4 miles on it since. I just LOVE my full suspension bikes and thought this would fill a void on fast, flowy, non-technical trail but I always go back to my FS.

    Because the internet is for pics... my Honzo at the MB Hulk. The Honzo was a MAJOR improvement over my Gnarvester there - seems like this bike has been relegated to that trail only
    I think thats where im at.....i just LOVE my Hei Hei...the Honzo is cool, but it hangs on the wall and looks pretty where i would much rather ride the Hei Hei

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    sorry for stating the obvious here, but if your fork has more than 120 travel, give it another try with 120 (the frame was designed for that amount, after all). if you already run it at 120, maybe its the weight that kills off the groove for you, or maybe the honzo just isn't the ride for you, and you would be better off swapping the parts over to another more xc oriented frame?
    X2 on the 120mm

    Quote Originally Posted by BigBMX View Post
    Yeah, kinda same thing happened to me... but I learned to appreciate what a Honzo is and what it does well... I ended up building an older, light steel frame into a "smaller" trail bike and am now happy choosing between the smaller bike and the Honzo, depending on the trail... Where I agree with you is that the new Honzo could defiantly not be my only rig where I live, there are too many rocky, slow trials for the Honzo to shine-- long front-center is wonky at slow speeds.

    On the trails it was built for I have learned that the Honzo can land in and handle almost any junk with relative grace. It takes some muscle to push around but it responds and is very satisfying to "drive" the front end.

    I run 130mm fork, and I would run 120 if it weren't so rocky here (I don't want to lower the BB). As mentioned above, lower the fork!

    I'd get a XC bike TOO (100mm that puts the front tire wheel juuuust in front of your toes!), and ride both, If your trails are gnarly enough, you'll learn why the Honzo has earned its name and why small XC bikes are soo fun! I LOVE BOTH BIKES!

    Said again, it may not be THE bike for you, but it might be A bike for you. Give it some time and enjoy the new geometry before jumping ship too soon--you've already done 90% of the depreciation! I've learned it is a great bike FOR WHAT IT IS, and I did alot of that learning after I thought I hated the bike!

    Anyway, I am rambling. Enjoy riding and the entire spectrum of bikes!
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    Austin is rock city and my BB comes in at 11 7/8 so i feel your pain on that one. All of the trails here are slow tech sh*te and the honzo is still my go to rig. Love the punchyness of the HT to get up ledges and coming in at 26lbs is nice too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pick View Post
    I wouldn't say I *hate* it but it is one of the last to leave the garage. I built mine last year and have put 96.4 miles on it since. I just LOVE my full suspension bikes and thought this would fill a void on fast, flowy, non-technical trail but I always go back to my FS.

    Because the internet is for pics... my Honzo at the MB Hulk. The Honzo was a MAJOR improvement over my Gnarvester there - seems like this bike has been relegated to that trail only
    Bike looks good man! Hope you can make it work for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by derek1387 View Post
    I may do that. I have a Hei Hei i just put a 130 on and is a TON of fun compared to the Hei Hei with a 120.
    Currently building a 120mm hei hei that may put the honzo on the auction block. Swapped out the 130 shaft for a debonair 120mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derek1387 View Post
    I think thats where im at.....i just LOVE my Hei Hei...the Honzo is cool, but it hangs on the wall and looks pretty where i would much rather ride the Hei Hei
    I like to think of it as a big DJ bike and just keep the stack and seat as low as possible and let go of the brakes where i can go fast. Big dumb grin.
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    I bought my Honzo blind. I hope I end up liking it.

    When I bought my FS earlier this year, I went AWOL from work for 2 weeks and rode demos the entire time. There were days I had 2 demos so I grabbed my buddy and we took a pedal wrench with us on the trails. There was some SERIOUS A/Bíing going on.

    For the Honzo, I saw it and said f it. Done.

    I LOVE my new carbon FS bike and its reduced suspension. Itís TIGHT.

    But there is something about steel that just nails it for me. When I commute on my Paddy Wagon, it is a beautiful experience. Every single time.

    So I thought I would try marrying steel with the whole ďless is moreĒ suspension kick I am on. Plus there can never be too many Konas in the quiver. Right?

    I pray my body can take the beating. And I hope I enjoy it. I think I will. I have owned Kona hardtails in the past, and loved them. This Honzo should be sweeter than all of them.

    PS - Marcus - thatís a sweet Hei Hei build you have in progress. Love the ďlife is too short to ride shitĒ attitude. Well done.

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    I love the Honzo. Came mostly from XC hardtails and bought it blind, too, and it's exactly what I expected and wanted. Obviously it's heavy, but then again I'm racing nobody other than myself, so who cares.

    I'm also beginning to really like the 2018 colour. Got rid of most white logos/decals and bright parts, like it much better now, looks cleaner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
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    Plus there can never be too many Konas in the quiver. Right?

    I pray my body can take the beating. And I hope I enjoy it. I think I will. I have owned Kona hardtails in the past, and loved them. This Honzo should be sweeter than all of them.

    PS - Marcus - thatís a sweet Hei Hei build you have in progress. Love the ďlife is too short to ride shitĒ attitude. Well done.
    Mike, you definitely have quite a nice collection yourself. I'm currently thinning my kona quiver right now but will probably end up with a 153 29 in the fall/spring.

    Thanks for the kind words on the HH. It's basically all the parts leftover from my 111 with a new set of rim decals. Looking forward to actually riding it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pudackl View Post
    I love the Honzo. Came mostly from XC hardtails and bought it blind, too, and it's exactly what I expected and wanted. Obviously it's heavy, but then again I'm racing nobody other than myself, so who cares.

    I'm also beginning to really like the 2018 colour. Got rid of most white logos/decals and bright parts, like it much better now, looks cleaner.
    Nice build and rig looks good! What are these weighing in at?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pudackl View Post
    I love the Honzo. Came mostly from XC hardtails and bought it blind, too, and it's exactly what I expected and wanted. Obviously it's heavy, but then again I'm racing nobody other than myself, so who cares.

    I'm also beginning to really like the 2018 colour. Got rid of most white logos/decals and bright parts, like it much better now, looks cleaner.
    That's a super sick looking bike. Nicely done. I don't see that particular colourway online though. What am I missing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    That's a super sick looking bike. Nicely done. I don't see that particular colourway online though. What am I missing?
    Not being a dick here. He stated in the second paragraph, it is a purple 2018 with the white logos removed. And I agree, it is a super sick looking bike.

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    Thanks guys

    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    Nice build and rig looks good! What are these weighing in at?
    Without dirt and pump/multitool she's just under 14 kg.

    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    That's a super sick looking bike. Nicely done. I don't see that particular colourway online though. What am I missing?
    It's the 2018 steel frame indeed :-) KONA BIKES | MTB | HONZO | Honzo ST. What they show on the Kona website depends on your location (they still list the Honzo Ti here), maybe that's why you don't see it.

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    I see it now. Sorry guys. The steel Honzo frame that came up is a light green one but I now see that itís the 2019 version. The option is there to switch to the 2018 and sure enough...boom. Yours.

    Anyway, good job. Dope as shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pudackl View Post
    Thanks guys Without dirt and pump/multitool she's just under 14 kg. It's the 2018 steel frame indeed :-) KONA BIKES | MTB | HONZO | Honzo ST. What they show on the Kona website depends on your location (they still list the Honzo Ti here), maybe that's why you don't see it.
    So what are the build specs? I really want to rebuild my Honzo as my XC bike for a different ride than my Balance. I still want it to be an AMHT, so 140mm it will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    So what are the build specs? I really want to rebuild my Honzo as my XC bike for a different ride than my Balance. I still want it to be an AMHT, so 140mm it will be.
    Honzo ST 2018 medium frame, Rockshox Revelation RC 120 mm, Shimano XT M8000 brakes, SRAM X01 10Ė42 drivetrain, Wolftooth 28T chainring, Race Face Chester pedals, Race Face Turbine R 40 mm stem and 750 mm bars, Ergon GE1 Evo grips, FSA headset, Hope Pro 4 hubs, Stan's Arch MK3 29" rims, Maxxis DHF and Ardent 2.5" tires tubeless, KS Lev Integra 125 mm, Race Face Turbine dropper lever, SQlab 611 (pretty old one), OneUp EDC pump/tool.

    Most of it I'd do again, except for a 150 mm dropper, little wider rims, and Schwalbe tyres. Had purple Ergon GA2 first and felt guilty for buying the black GE1 only for the colour, but they're sooo good, absolutely worth it. The medium frame size feels good, large would be fine as well, I suppose. I'm roughly 63 kg, 178 cm with 80 cm inseam (the measuring method is a bit sketchy though: I've used a string and A4 papers and credit cards figure out how long it is).

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    Quick question...2018 steel Honzo frame...no mention at Konaís site of going 27.5+ with it. Yet the Big Honzo mentions that it can go either way - 27.5+ or 29. Is there any problem with running the Honzo with a 27.5+ wheelset, with a 29er 140 fork? Will there be a potential issue with the BB being too low? And what is the biggest tire that will fit in 27.5+ mode? Will a Rekon 2.8 fit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Quick question...2018 steel Honzo frame...no mention at Konaís site of going 27.5+ with it. Yet the Big Honzo mentions that it can go either way - 27.5+ or 29. Is there any problem with running the Honzo with a 27.5+ wheelset, with a 29er 140 fork? Will there be a potential issue with the BB being too low? And what is the biggest tire that will fit in 27.5+ mode? Will a Rekon 2.8 fit?
    I've got the 2018 ST. While I've never mounted a 27+ tire I did check for clearance with a wheel from my other bike. A 27.5x2.8 Specialized Slaughter seem to have plenty of clearance. A 27.5x3 Specialized Ground Control would not fit.

    I ride rocky trails so I would be concerned about bb height and increased pedal strikes with a 27.5x2.8 tire.

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    This seem like the correct place for this. Spent last 4-6 weeks looking for new Bike in $3000 range. thought I would most likely get FS 29er. Long story short only FS bikes I liked were 4-5000. Almost bought a XC carbon hard tail. But finally stumbled into 30th Honzo ST at LBS. Took it for ride after two weeks denial and finally admitting to my self that the bike felt right (why would you want a steel hard tail) went back and got it.
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    Upgraded drive line to GX Eagle and added Ardent 2.4 skinwalls. Thing looks awesome.

    Questions:

    1) Is this bike as good as it seems to be as far as fun and all out trail riding?

    2) I'm nuts for refusing the kool aid and buying what felt right?

    3) Feels good so far on trail but might have to be more forward on down hills is this the way you should ride this thing?

    4) Is it me or is 29 allot faster then 26? This thing is scary fast at times. But fun.

    5) Ardent vs Minion thoughts? Liked the look hope they have enough bite.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by gna View Post
    Questions:

    1) Is this bike as good as it seems to be as far as fun and all out trail riding?

    2) I'm nuts for refusing the kool aid and buying what felt right?

    3) Feels good so far on trail but might have to be more forward on down hills is this the way you should ride this thing?

    4) Is it me or is 29 allot faster then 26? This thing is scary fast at times. But fun.

    5) Ardent vs Minion thoughts? Liked the look hope they have enough bite.

    Thanks
    First off, CONGRATS on finding a 30th Edition! Those things are beautiful, have fun riding it!

    I am just answering based on my time on a Honzo and while riding at my skill level.

    1. Yes, it is as good as advertised for most riding. High speed through rock gardens can overwhelm it because it is still a hardtail.

    2. If it feels right, it is right. They may be on the heavier side but the ride is responsive, compliant, will allow you tractor up most anything and have a party on the trail while pointed down.

    3. Yes, on the DH side of things ride the fork, heavy on the heels and loose in the hips. The Honzo is a high energy ride because how capable it is when pointed down and how heavy it is when pointed up.

    4. 29" wheels have better rollover and carry more momentum than 26" wheels. It'll will hurt you and help you depending on the trail.

    5. My first set of tires on my Honzo was Ardent/Ikon. I moved the Ardent out back for a Minion DHF. Then I put the Ikon on in place of the Ardent and finally moved to a Minion DHR II for my rear tire. I want grip and traction out my tires otherwise I tend to hurt myself. I feel like Ardents' nobs tend to fold over during braking, cornering and climbing. They just don't have a lot of support built in to them. The Ikon had better traction for climbing to me.

    5b. The next set of tires I have my eyes on are a Magic Mary Soft and Nobby Nic Speedgrip. I would rather a new Hans Damph for the rear but 2.35s are not offered in Speedgrip. My LBS owner loves Schwable. The Addix compound seems to have fixed a lot of their durability issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gna View Post
    This seem like the correct place for this. Spent last 4-6 weeks looking for new Bike in $3000 range. thought I would most likely get FS 29er. Long story short only FS bikes I liked were 4-5000. Almost bought a XC carbon hard tail. But finally stumbled into 30th Honzo ST at LBS. Took it for ride after two weeks denial and finally admitting to my self that the bike felt right (why would you want a steel hard tail) went back and got it.
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    Upgraded drive line to GX Eagle and added Ardent 2.4 skinwalls. Thing looks awesome.

    Questions:

    1) Is this bike as good as it seems to be as far as fun and all out trail riding?

    2) I'm nuts for refusing the kool aid and buying what felt right?

    3) Feels good so far on trail but might have to be more forward on down hills is this the way you should ride this thing?

    4) Is it me or is 29 allot faster then 26? This thing is scary fast at times. But fun.

    5) Ardent vs Minion thoughts? Liked the look hope they have enough bite.

    Thanks
    I bought the same bike. Mine is #37 of 201. What is yours? Lol.

    More importantly, did you change your wheelset? The driver in the rear hub is a Shimano driver (the SRAM NX drivetrain that came stock on it uses a Shimano and not a SRAM driver). The Shimano driver is not compatible with an Eagle drivetrain. Or so I thought. Did I misunderstand any or all of this?

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    Yep swapped out to asym WTB with other driver. Your are correct.

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    Mine 165/201.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gna View Post
    Yep swapped out to asym WTB with other driver. Your are correct.
    Is the stock wheelset brutal enough to have switched out on its own? Or did you do it mostly for the driver swap? And hub?

    I am toying with the idea of getting a wheelset built by We Are One. They built my last set, which turned out nice. Hence my post above about 27.5+. Just deciding what to do, wheelset wise.

    I decided to try a Shimano drivetrain and brakes after not having owned anything Shimano for over 5 years now. So I do not need to switch the driver with my drivetrain upgrade.

    Need to think about a new wheeleset though...

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    Just swapped out wheel set for driver wanted GX eagle. Are you considering 27.5? I have to ride some more. First 29er and faster then I thought it would be. I can see why you might go 27.5. Can get in trouble quick. Thing really rolls. Like I said need to ride some more but could see lighter wheel set in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Is the stock wheelset brutal enough to have switched out on its own? Or did you do it mostly for the driver swap? And hub?

    I am toying with the idea of getting a wheelset built by We Are One. They built my last set, which turned out nice. Hence my post above about 27.5+. Just deciding what to do, wheelset wise.

    I decided to try a Shimano drivetrain and brakes after not having owned anything Shimano for over 5 years now. So I do not need to switch the driver with my drivetrain upgrade.

    Need to think about a new wheeleset though...
    I remember Dustin when he raced for Rocky, that seemed a lifetime ago. I always thought he was kind of a ...... I recently listened to his podcast on the down time and I am going to buy a set of his wheels also. He has a %15 off if you use the coupon code in the podcast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rlee View Post
    I remember Dustin when he raced for Rocky, that seemed a lifetime ago. I always thought he was kind of a ...... I recently listened to his podcast on the down time and I am going to buy a set of his wheels also. He has a %15 off if you use the coupon code in the podcast.
    Nice. Where do I find the pod cast?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Nice. Where do I find the pod cast?
    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/we-are...e-podcast.html

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    Greetings,

    I've recently pulled the trigger on the 30th anniversary edition honzo st (yay!), now a 2 week wait till it arrives (had to preorder to get one of the last ones coming to New Zealand).

    I'm planning on gradually upgrading things here and there until I end up with a dreambike, so I'll be on here plenty asking for advice and recommendations.

    First question, I'm planning on upgrading the fork pretty quick, what do people recommend as the ideal travel? My last 2 bikes ran 140mm up front and I was imagining going with that again. Also, how stiff is the frame? Will it benefit from running a more solid fork, eg 36/yari/lyrik?

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    Sweet!!!

    I am in the exact same boat as you. I asked the same question and did some heavy reading here and elsewhere. As I understand it, people are running anywhere from 120 to 150. Some feel the bike runs best (i.e.; snappiest) with a 120 as speced. A lot of others like a 140, feeling as though that travel offers a good balance of a nice plush ride, without sacrificing responsiveness or raising the stack height too much to compromise climbing.

    I am going with a 140 Factory 34. I really like the 140 36 on my 29er full suspension, but thought a 34 would be plenty stiff. I will be able to easily and inexpensively change the travel to 130 or 120 with a new air spring, if I wish to go that route down the road.

    I guess it also depends on your intended terrain. Guys running this bike in my area (Canadian Rockies) are running it at 140 and are riding blacks and double blacks with it.

    I decided to just go for it with this bike as well, and get a new wheelset. I am going to get We Are One Agents with DT350 hubs. I am going to switch the bike over to run a SRAM drivetrain so I will get the wheels built with an XD Driver.

    I just bought a set of We Are One 29er Insiders for my full suspension bike. I am VERY tempted to get 27.5 Agents and run them with 2.8s. I would then have my 2.3 Insiders (27 mm id) and also a 27.5+ 30 mm id wheelset that I could swap between for the Honzo. I was steered away from the plus because of BB height/pedal strike issues. Still deciding but I am leaning towards 29er Agents with 2.5s. I sure would love to compliment my existing 29 wheelset with a new 27.5+ wheelset, but I ride rocky terrain and pedal strikes are a buzz kill for me. Even so, I may take a chance and go for the 27.5+. The versatility of the Honzo (and my full suspension bike) would be incredible with both wheelsets as options.

    A GX Eagle shifter, cassette and rear derailleur, a Factory Transfer dropper, a Wolf Tooth remote, RaceFace Turbine cranks with the new RaceFace oval ring, 4 piston XT brakes and a gold Eagle chain will round things out.

    Just waiting on the fork.

    Keep us posted on what you decide build-wise. Having just gone through the same process with the same bike, I will be interested to see what directions you take. Have fun!

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    Hopefully you guys are rocking your Honzos a little more aggressively than this hack.

    LMAO.

    This is a little dated but wow - what a beast. Instant jack on the stoke meter.


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    Hell yeah, a little filthy phil atwill will always put a smile on your face!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6bpmj2uoAU
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavy_fuel View Post
    Greetings,

    I've recently pulled the trigger on the 30th anniversary edition honzo st (yay!), now a 2 week wait till it arrives (had to preorder to get one of the last ones coming to New Zealand).

    I'm planning on gradually upgrading things here and there until I end up with a dreambike, so I'll be on here plenty asking for advice and recommendations.

    First question, I'm planning on upgrading the fork pretty quick, what do people recommend as the ideal travel? My last 2 bikes ran 140mm up front and I was imagining going with that again. Also, how stiff is the frame? Will it benefit from running a more solid fork, eg 36/yari/lyrik?
    The new revelation isnt too bad, if you wanted you could upgrade to the pike dampner and pretty much have a pike, 10/10 would recommend running it 140mm travel, its just as agile as it was when it was 120mm in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HonzSolo View Post
    The new revelation isnt too bad, if you wanted you could upgrade to the pike dampner and pretty much have a pike, 10/10 would recommend running it 140mm travel, its just as agile as it was when it was 120mm in my opinion.
    Another thought might be this...

    Not sure what is required with the Revelation but if he is going to have to buy a new air spring and damper, why not just dump the fork at the outset, and pay the difference for a 140mm 34 or 36? Or a Pike or Lyric? My LBS is giving me a wicked deal swapping my stock Revelation for a 140 Factory 34 (if it ever gets here). I am a recently converted Fox guy so to me, this makes the most sense. Plus, the orange accents on the Fox fork look to be a direct match with the Honzo orange. LOL.

    I have that decision nailed. Also the 4 piston XT M8020 brakes. Also the Transfer dropper. Plus the RaceFace Turbine crank and new RaceFace oval chainring. What I CAN'T seem to decide on is an XT drivetrain or GX Eagle.

    Aaarrrggghhh...

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    MTNBKRMIKE's phil atwill vid got me stoked to do some work on the honzo today. We are actually going to have a lift serviced trail within a couple hours drive of us and the HT is gonna have to be my weapon of choice.

    Swapped to 203/180 rotors
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    Installed a schwalbe fat albert DH-ish rear tire and ordered a magic mary for the front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    MTNBKRMIKE's phil atwill vid got me stoked to do some work on the honzo today. We are actually going to have a lift serviced trail within a couple hours drive of us and the HT is gonna have to be my weapon of choice.

    Swapped to 203/180 rotors
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    Beauty. Your builds are always spot on.

    Your post reminded me...heeding your prior advice, I am also obsessing over an 11 speed non-Eagle SRAM drivetrain, given that my last one was FLAWLESS, and that my brand new XO Eagle has been a complete PITA. So...

    XT vs GX Eagle vs 11 speed SRAM of some level...

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    Thanks man. X1 would be my vote

    As I recall, the X1 has same mechanical internal parts but are all aluminum instead of AL/CF mix. Don't think the weight savings was all that much. Have X1 and X01 shifters and while the 01 offers some adjustability over the x1, the action feels the same.

    Plus you don't want to cry every time you trash a derailleur
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    Thanks man. X1 would be my vote

    As I recall, the X1 has same mechanical internal parts but are all aluminum instead of AL/CF mix. Don't think the weight savings was all that much. Have X1 and X01 shifters and while the 01 offers some adjustability over the x1, the action feels the same.

    Plus you don't want to cry every time you trash a derailleur
    Yeah. I had XX1 front to back on my Range that I sold (with a Next crank). That thing was stellar. Not a second of problems through 3 years of pretty serious riding.

    Anyway, I'm trying to keep it real with this Honzo. Plus I need to buy a new fridge. And stove and dishwasher. Which of course can all wait til I am good and done with the bike stuff. A man's gotta have his priorities straight, right?

    I might give the XT stuff a shot. Cheap, reliable, and I haven't had anything Shimano for years. It would be fun to be able to A/B it against the XO Eagle setup on my Sight. Plus if I keep it all Shimano, I could use the Spec-II Matchmaker-like clamp adaptors to keep everything nice and tidy in the cockpit, which would do wonders for my bike OCD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Yeah. I had XX1 front to back on my Range that I sold (with a Next crank). That thing was stellar. Not a second of problems through 3 years of pretty serious riding.

    Anyway, I'm trying to keep it real with this Honzo. Plus I need to buy a new fridge. And stove and dishwasher. Which of course can all wait til I am good and done with the bike stuff. A man's gotta have his priorities straight, right?

    I might give the XT stuff a shot. Cheap, reliable, and I haven't had anything Shimano for years. It would be fun to be able to A/B it against the XO Eagle setup on my Sight. Plus if I keep it all Shimano, I could use the Spec-II Matchmaker-like clamp adaptors to keep everything nice and tidy in the cockpit, which would do wonders for my bike OCD.
    Gotta tell ya, the M7000 SLX shifter feels just as good if not better than the 9000. My buddy says he prefers the 7000 over the 8000 shifter. Shifting seems to take a lot more effort compared to sram.

    Shimano M8000 11spd can be had cheap too. Stay away from their 11-46 cassette though.

    Just an e-opinon
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    ...Stay away from their 11-46 cassette though.
    Why? Too big of a jump to the biggest ring? I was going to go with the 11-46...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Why? Too big of a jump to the biggest ring? I was going to go with the 11-46...

    That 37-46 is a pretty big jump and can make for a slow shift when you usually need it most. Sunrace/Box offers a light (ish) 11-46 that has an aluminum spider and big cogs. The jump is also a more manageable 40-46
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    Honzo park mode

    Finished preparing the honzo for some fall bike park fun. 180/203MM rotors, Fat Albert rear with Magic Mary front and also stretched the fork to 130mm. Ready to rock a full face and bash this pig down the mountain!Honzo Build Thread - post your builds here-img_20180927_163042821.jpg
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    Looks awesome. Cables look a little long but presumably you are positioning yourself for the 1125 bar width craze that is right around the corner.

    Rip it up. And be happy you didnít wake up to a fresh blanket of snow this morning...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Another thought might be this...

    Not sure what is required with the Revelation but if he is going to have to buy a new air spring and damper, why not just dump the fork at the outset, and pay the difference for a 140mm 34 or 36? Or a Pike or Lyric? My LBS is giving me a wicked deal swapping my stock Revelation for a 140 Factory 34 (if it ever gets here). I am a recently converted Fox guy so to me, this makes the most sense. Plus, the orange accents on the Fox fork look to be a direct match with the Honzo orange. LOL.

    I have that decision nailed. Also the 4 piston XT M8020 brakes. Also the Transfer dropper. Plus the RaceFace Turbine crank and new RaceFace oval chainring. What I CAN'T seem to decide on is an XT drivetrain or GX Eagle.

    Aaarrrggghhh...
    From what I understand the bikes are now at the wholesaler and should be shipping today ( 28/9/18) or so ive been told after 3 months of them dicking me around on when they would arrive!

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    From what I understand the bikes are now at the wholesaler and should be shipping today ( 28/9/18) or so ive been told after 3 months of them dicking me around on when they would arrive!
    Iím praying for you. Iíve had mine for a month and a half. My delay is with the Fox fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Looks awesome. Cables look a little long but presumably you are positioning yourself for the 1125 bar width craze that is right around the corner.

    Rip it up. And be happy you didnít wake up to a fresh blanket of snow this morning...
    Thanks and yeah, they are a bit long. Plan is to put all of these parts on a 153 29 when i can get my hands on a frame and i've also been lazy
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    Holy shit its here

    Well, after a 3 month long back order I am now the proud, and possibly first owner of a 30th anniversary honzo in New Zealand!

    My XT drivetrain and brakes went straight on
    Raceface (fox) dropper in 150mm
    Raceface NEXT carbon bar and 35 mmatlas stem
    Raceface crank
    Stans Sentry rims (32mm ID) with minion DHF and DHR WT laced up to the factory hubs ( formula maybe?)
    Works -2 degree headset
    140mm airshaft into the revelation ( fork actually feels pretty damn good with the cheap dampner, may upgrade if need be)

    Also have an 800 wide raceface bar coming and a 40mm turbine stem to get the rach hopefully back into the right spot so its almost done! Black cassette and chain wouldnt hurt if im nit picking!

    Bike feels heckin awesome, hoping to get out on it tomorrow to test out the 65 degree headangle!

    Number 1 of 23 in NZ and number 110 of 201 world wide!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Iím praying for you. Iíve had mine for a month and a half. My delay is with the Fox fork.
    Damn how did you get yours so quick! Thought I was the first in NZ ah well least its here!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HonzSolo View Post
    Well...
    Looks great, and the parts spec is top notch! Congrats and boatloads of fun with the new ride!

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    Looks great. Interested how you like 140mm and 2 degrees. I have been having an absolute blast on mine (165/201). Waiting for it to stop raining so can go have more fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HonzSolo View Post
    Damn how did you get yours so quick! Thought I was the first in NZ ah well least its here!
    Congrats!!! Your build is very similar to where I am going.

    I got mine in early August. My LBS got 2 right around that time.

    Your build has given me some ideas, while I continue to wait for my fork...

    Congrats again!!! Looks awesome AF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HonzSolo View Post
    Well, after a 3 month long back order I am now the proud, and possibly first owner of a 30th anniversary honzo in New Zealand!

    My XT drivetrain and brakes went straight on
    Raceface (fox) dropper in 150mm
    Raceface NEXT carbon bar and 35 mmatlas stem
    Raceface crank
    Stans Sentry rims (32mm ID) with minion DHF and DHR WT laced up to the factory hubs ( formula maybe?)
    Works -2 degree headset
    140mm airshaft into the revelation ( fork actually feels pretty damn good with the cheap dampner, may upgrade if need be)

    Also have an 800 wide raceface bar coming and a 40mm turbine stem to get the rach hopefully back into the right spot so its almost done! Black cassette and chain wouldnt hurt if im nit picking!

    Bike feels heckin awesome, hoping to get out on it tomorrow to test out the 65 degree headangle!

    Number 1 of 23 in NZ and number 110 of 201 world wide!

    absolutely fizzing
    Congrats man! Looks really schweet
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    Quote Originally Posted by gna View Post
    Looks great. Interested how you like 140mm and 2 degrees. I have been having an absolute blast on mine (165/201). Waiting for it to stop raining so can go have more fun.
    I was like " hmmm its not that slack, then rode the old one and its hugely noticable!" Should be good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Congrats!!! Your build is very similar to where I am going.

    I got mine in early August. My LBS got 2 right around that time.

    Your build has given me some ideas, while I continue to wait for my fork...

    Congrats again!!! Looks awesome AF.
    Ah weird! Bikeaholics? I figured if anyone had them itd be those guys. Yeah, ill be stoked to get the 800 wide bar on, gonna need the leverage with the 65 degree HA! Its almost to pretty to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HonzSolo View Post
    Ah weird! Bikeaholics? I figured if anyone had them itd be those guys. Yeah, ill be stoked to get the 800 wide bar on, gonna need the leverage with the 65 degree HA! Its almost to pretty to ride.
    Iím in Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Sorry if I said something misleading earlier.

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    Anyone strip the paint off their steel Honzo? Pics??

    Cool that they are doing a Steel Big Honzo this year, but not really digging the teal over dark blue...

    ON that note, they should have done the 30th anniversary editions in RAW...

    AND... I sure wish they would have just done a "flip chip"/drop out swap and made all the frames 27.5 PLUS ad 29ers optimized instead of different frames...

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    Thought you lot might like to see what the new ones look like assembled into awesome...

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    Turboviking, I love the clean simplicity. Your new ride has many similarities to mine, except I do not ride moto style brakes.

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    Looks stunning! Love the combo with the stanchions and bars. Is that 140 mm travel?

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    Yeah i was hoping it would end up nice and tidy, itís so quiet out on the trail too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pudackl View Post
    Looks stunning! Love the combo with the stanchions and bars. Is that 140 mm travel?
    Forks are 130-160 TALAS 36s. Iím planning to adjust them to 140mm but Iíll run the 130 for now and see how it goes! I doubt Iíll ever use them at 160 while riding but the TALAS were going super cheap and couldnít pass them up!

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    Where do most of you run your rear axle? Mine is in the middle and wonder how much lighter front end will seem if move forward. Is there much difference in the way the bike handles with the axle for or aft?

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    All the way in front, but I'm hardly good enough to notice a difference. In my mind it's more nimble that way, easier to wheelie/manual (not that I can either of both).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gna View Post
    Where do most of you run your rear axle? Mine is in the middle and wonder how much lighter front end will seem if move forward. Is there much difference in the way the bike handles with the axle for or aft?
    All the way in! I guess youd get more weight over the front with it further back but its so playful nice and short

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    Slammed. Forward.

    As. Far. As It. Will. Go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gna View Post
    Where do most of you run your rear axle? Mine is in the middle and wonder how much lighter front end will seem if move forward. Is there much difference in the way the bike handles with the axle for or aft?
    I have my back wheel slammed and even though the front end of the Honzo is looooong, once you get the front wheel off the ground it seems pretty keen to stay up there!!

    I'd definitely try a few rides with the wheel shoved forward!

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    Here is my new Honzo CR. I wanted an XC raceish bike that can ride the rowdy tracks. I'm hoping in the long run to have a light weight wheelset with XC tyres and then put some beefy trail tyres on the wheel I have in there now.
    The only parts left from the stock bike is the seatpost and headset, everything else changed out for parts I already had with a brand new Fox 34 sc.
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    NICE BIKE!! Would love to hear the ride report on the new Fox 34 step cast

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    I dig the entire color scheme, very good taste. would you mind sharing a parts list? thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VooDooBokor View Post
    What is this handlebar!? Sick!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    I dig the entire color scheme, very good taste. would you mind sharing a parts list? thanks!
    Fox 36 Factory TALAS
    Nukeproof Horizon wheelset, bars and matching copper seat clamp
    Deity Cavity stem (31.8 x 35mm length)
    XT crankset with OneUp oval ring, Reverse singlespeed kit and cog (32/17 gearing)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pick View Post
    NICE BIKE!! Would love to hear the ride report on the new Fox 34 step cast
    I have three rides on it now, two of them were xc races and one was a decent climb and descent. The fork is nice and I think it's perfect for what I want which is a rowdy xc race bike. It feels controlled in the rough stuff and the stiffness seems good for the weight. For racing I will want to sort out a handlebar remote lockout for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDFATUGLY View Post
    Turboviking, I love the clean simplicity. Your new ride has many similarities to mine, except I do not ride moto style brakes.
    I'm in Australia and moto style is all we know!

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    Anyone riding 27.5x2.8? Found a new 2018 frame locally and thinking about swapping out the parts from my specialized fuse to the honzo but want to keep the current wheel setup


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    Honzo Build Thread - post your builds here

    First frame up build and first ride today on the Big Honzo ST, it was a lot of fun.

    Size Medium
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    Quote Originally Posted by klatekin View Post
    First frame up build and first ride today on the Big Honzo ST, it was a lot of fun.

    Size Medium
    Fox 34 140mm 44mm offset
    GX/X01 Eagle mixed drivetrain
    Shimano XT brakes
    Bike Yoke Revive 185
    Reynolds Enduro 27.5 28mm id rims with I9 Hubs
    Magic Mary 2.6 Front, Rekon 2.6 rear.
    BB height around 12.5 inches




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    That looks splendid, congrats! The Marys mean serious business!

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    Currently stockpiling parts for my winter build but canít decide between the medium and large 2019 Honzo ST frame. Iím 5í10 but my arm span is 6í1. Iím leaning towards the medium, but thought Iíd get some insight from the forum. For the record the build is more for a 3-4 hours ripping up some local trails in Germany. I spend most of my time riding double track and gravel roads on a Hakka MX.

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    Go medium.

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    With your sizing, I'd say large. Keep in mind, it's a lot easier to make a large bike smaller than make a small bike larger.

    Added: Just saw the other post. Shows you opinions vary. Best way is to ride/sit on the bike or a similar sized bike. Best of luck.

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    Donít know if this is the right place to ask this but what is the difference between steel Honzo Bog Honzo steel and Explosif steel. All can run 27.5 but Honzo st both. What are Big Honzo and Explosif like compared to Honzo st. I have Honzo st with 29 s and love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gna View Post
    Donít know if this is the right place to ask this but what is the difference between steel Honzo Bog Honzo steel and Explosif steel. All can run 27.5 but Honzo st both. What are Big Honzo and Explosif like compared to Honzo st. I have Honzo st with 29 s and love it.
    Honzo : geometry designed for 29" wheels, 120 mm fork, but can handle 27+ depending on tire size, fork travel, bb drop preference. comes in kona cromoly steel, alu, carbon, ti
    Big honzo: designed for 27+ and 29, 130 mmfork. Kona cromo, alu, carbon
    Explosif: only standard 27.5 wheels, non-plus. 120 fork iirc, Reynolds steel. Discontinued imo, last model year 2018

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    I guess what I was looking for is has anyone rode all three? What are they like compared to each other?

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    Has anyone drilled additional holes on the down tube of their Honzo ST for the dropper routing? I saw that done in one of the reviews I read early on. Anyone else have success with it? Drawbacks?

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    You need to coat the steel with something so it doesn't rust (since it'd be more exposed than the non-coated internal portion of the frame). And you need to do it in a spot where there isn't going to be a structural issue with adding a hole.

    Kona should be able to give you a good spot for where to drill, it could void your warranty either way.

    IMHO just get a KS lev or Fox with the cable starting at the seatclamp and route it along the toptube, it's so much easier to maintain that I'll be going back to a setup like it even though my bike has stealthrouting available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slyham View Post
    Has anyone drilled additional holes on the down tube of their Honzo ST for the dropper routing? I saw that done in one of the reviews I read early on. Anyone else have success with it? Drawbacks?
    Instead of drilling your frame, have you thought of just using an external dropper post? Fox makes an external post and is very reliable. Just one example.

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    Thanks Vegard and kwapik. I didn't even think about voiding the warrenty. I definitely won't be drilling with that in mind.

    The dropper I'll be using will be coming off my full suspension bike and is internally routed. I'll grab some p-clips and have it go up the down tube.

    Did I read on this thread that gorilla tape is the best thing to use to pug the hole where the cable comes out of the frame?

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    I used the Paragon clips on mine and they work great for dropper cable routing on the down tube.

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    Shit. I bought the steel Honzo on a whim. Then, because of the almost non-functional dropper remote, one thing led to another, and now I am in the middle of swapping out not only the dropper and remote, but also the fork, the brakes and the entire drivetrain. The only thing that was horrible out of the box was the dropper and remote. I could not understand how Kona could be happy with how it functioned. The remote required a CRAZY amount of pressure for it to work.

    Now I am thinking that it was a simple cable routing issue that was the problem... Something that could have easily been fixed... Oh well.

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    Old. Stubborn.
    But trying to learn something new.
    I've been on the same Ti frames for 11 seasons now and finally my eyes are wandering.
    I have a steel Honzo (frame) on order and have the same few questions many of you have.
    Is 140mm too tall/long? Am I a Medium or Large? What length dropper? And of course, what's the widest tire everyone is using?

    I do have one more question that I haven't seen addressed in the past 52 pages.
    Are any of you having issues w/ the lower BB?
    It's about 15mm lower than what I'm used to and I know it doesn't take too much difference to be clacking pedals all over the place. Sure, this is current generation geometry and I should get used to it but I don't ride purpose built trails (much).
    But, How big an issue has it been for any of you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Chicken Bones View Post
    Old. Stubborn.
    But trying to learn something new.
    I've been on the same Ti frames for 11 seasons now and finally my eyes are wandering.
    I have a steel Honzo (frame) on order and have the same few questions many of you have.
    Is 140mm too tall/long? Am I a Medium or Large? What length dropper? And of course, what's the widest tire everyone is using?

    I do have one more question that I haven't seen addressed in the past 52 pages.
    Are any of you having issues w/ the lower BB?
    It's about 15mm lower than what I'm used to and I know it doesn't take too much difference to be clacking pedals all over the place. Sure, this is current generation geometry and I should get used to it but I don't ride purpose built trails (much).
    But, How big an issue has it been for any of you?

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    Honzo is a dream with 140mm. I feel like it should come that way stock and a lot of others do too. I ran 29x2.5 DHF on mine and still didn't feel like I was up too high. I got a lot of pedal strikes with the 120mm and 29X2.25

    I believe the dropper was 140-150mm

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    For the steel Honzo, can anyone confirm one way or the other whether 2.6 Rekons will fit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tantrum007 View Post
    Honzo is a dream with 140mm. I feel like it should come that way stock and a lot of others do too. I ran 29x2.5 DHF on mine and still didn't feel like I was up too high. I got a lot of pedal strikes with the 120mm and 29X2.25

    I believe the dropper was 140-150mm
    5'10.5" with normal proportions, riding a medium 2015 steel Honzo. Love the fit. I love it with 120mm fork, with the stem slammed. Super fast and maneuverable. I tried 130mm and the front end felt too high, with front wheel too light in the corners. If i was on a large, with a longer wheelbase, I speculate that a 130 (or 140) may feel more balanced. I have a 170mm OneUp dropper that I can slam to the seat collar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klatekin View Post
    First frame up build and first ride today on the Big Honzo ST, it was a lot of fun.

    Size Medium
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    GX/X01 Eagle mixed drivetrain
    Shimano XT brakes
    Bike Yoke Revive 185
    Reynolds Enduro 27.5 28mm id rims with I9 Hubs
    Magic Mary 2.6 Front, Rekon 2.6 rear.
    BB height around 12.5 inches
    What crank length are you using?

    And @JCBs, pedal strikes occasionally happened through the rocks for me when my Honzo was running a 140mm Revelation with 175mm cranks with 2.5/2.3 Minions. I am going to rebuild it as a 27.5 bike with a 160mm fork, 2.6 Minions and 165mm cranks. I test fit some 27.5 2.6s and a 160mm Yari and the bb height was ~12". I just have to wait until the paychecks from a new job start rolling in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    What crank length are you using?

    And @JCBs, pedal strikes happened through the rocks for me when my Honzo was running a 140mm Revelation with 175mm cranks with 2.5/2.3 Minions. I am going to rebuild it as a 27.5 bike with a 160mm fork, 2.6 Minions and 165mm cranks. I test fit some 27.5 2.6s and a 160mm Yari and the bb height was ~12". I just have to wait until the paychecks from a new job start rolling in.
    Iím using 175mm

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    Anyone riding Ibis 938 rims or wheels? I need new inexpensive wheelset and these seem well reviewed. Trying to figure out if the 4mm increase in width will be too big with a 2.5 aggressor on the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluidworks View Post
    Anyone riding Ibis 938 rims or wheels? I need new inexpensive wheelset and these seem well reviewed. Trying to figure out if the 4mm increase in width will be too big with a 2.5 aggressor on the rear.
    I am interested in those wheels too

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    Quote Originally Posted by deerkiller View Post
    i had similar questions when i was doing my custom build. my lbs mechanic said everything would be fine. i went with a 2018 big honzo. 130/160 fork. i wanted to make sure i had plenty of travel and plenty of tire clearance.
    Just saw this, not sure why I missed it. But yes, bought my big honzo as a frame only.

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    Just purchased a 2018 honzo cr frame that I will be running as a SS. I want to run a rigid fork and the longest A to C I can find is the niner rdo carbon fork. I know that is sag corrected to a 100mm travel fork. I am wondering how close I would be to 120mm sag corrected if I ran a 29x3.0 on the front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJobe View Post
    Just purchased a 2018 honzo cr frame that I will be running as a SS. I want to run a rigid fork and the longest A to C I can find is the niner rdo carbon fork. I know that is sag corrected to a 100mm travel fork. I am wondering how close I would be to 120mm sag corrected if I ran a 29x3.0 on the front.
    I've used an MRP Rock Solid 490 on my Ti with great success if that's any help. It's a really sturdy fork and the thing climbs like a rocket with it on.

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    Heads up for anyone looking for a new small 2018 steel frame for a screaming deal:

    https://konabikes.com/shop/bike-shop...-frame-sm.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    Heads up for anyone looking for a new small 2018 steel frame for a screaming deal:

    https://konabikes.com/shop/bike-shop...-frame-sm.html
    Wow. It's almost free.

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    Not a bad deal either for large carbons:
    https://konabikes.com/shop/bike-shop...-frame-lg.html
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    Thinking about picking up a fatty...at my LBS. Not in a bar. Any of you lovers of the Honzo ever think about picking up a Wozo, based on your love of the Honzo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Thinking about picking up a fatty...at my LBS. Not in a bar. Any of you lovers of the Honzo ever think about picking up a Wozo, based on your love of the Honzo?
    OH yes, would love to, but cannot justify it. But it motivated me to build a 27+ wheelset for my honzo ti... To at least have a tiny bit of wozo/big honzo flavor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    OH yes, would love to, but cannot justify it. But it motivated me to build a 27+ wheelset for my honzo ti... To at least have a tiny bit of wozo/big honzo flavor.
    You raise a valid point. Is it even worth getting a Wozo given the potential overlap? In hindsight, I think a Wozo would have been a better choice for me than the Honzo, but time will tell. I am still waiting for my fork from Fox so I have not logged a single mile on the Honzo yet.

    If I donít get a Wozo, I will likely throw down on a Norco of one variety or another (Ithaqua, Sasquatch or Bigfoot). The biggest fundamental difference between the Wozo and the Norcos is tire size (3.8 vs 4.8) and rim size (27.5 vs 26, and a lot narrower id on the Wozo). The Wozo doesnít even really seem like a fat bike per se. More like a super plus 27.5.

    *ok...back on topic...Honzo builds. Carry on*

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Thinking about picking up a fatty...at my LBS. Not in a bar. Any of you lovers of the Honzo ever think about picking up a Wozo, based on your love of the Honzo?
    Kona has a couple of different year Wozo frames on sale right now. Also some really good deals on a variety of other Kona frames.

    https://konabikes.com/shop/bike-shop...rames.html?p=1

    Thanks ATXZJ for pointing me in that direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    You raise a valid point. Is it even worth getting a Wozo given the potential overlap? In hindsight, I think a Wozo would have been a better choice for me than the Honzo, but time will tell. I am still waiting for my fork from Fox so I have not logged a single mile on the Honzo yet.

    If I donít get a Wozo, I will likely throw down on a Norco of one variety or another (Ithaqua, Sasquatch or Bigfoot). The biggest fundamental difference between the Wozo and the Norcos is tire size (3.8 vs 4.8) and rim size (27.5 vs 26, and a lot narrower id on the Wozo). The Wozo doesnít even really seem like a fat bike per se. More like a super plus 27.5.

    *ok...back on topic...Honzo builds. Carry on*
    yes, the 2019 is 27fat. i prefer that one to the 2018 26fat, by the looks of it. I'd buy the full build and swap the hubs and brakes for purple hopes. That would be awesome

    you bought the 30y limited edition, and changes a lot of things right away, iirc? any pics yet?

    cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    yes, the 2019 is 27fat. i prefer that one to the 2018 26fat, by the looks of it. I'd buy the full build and swap the hubs and brakes for purple hopes. That would be awesome

    you bought the 30y limited edition, and changes a lot of things right away, iirc? any pics yet?

    cheers!
    Yes. That is indeed me.

    I swapped the brakes for 4 pot XTs, the drivetrain to an XT shifter and XT rear d, the crank to a RaceFace Turbine (with the new RaceFace oval ring), the bar to a RaceFace SixC, the dropper to a Fox Factory Transfer with Wolftooth remote, the fork to a Fox Factory 34 (at 140mm), and some other stuff too.

    Still waiting for the fork. Everything else is done. Just trying to decide if I should swap out the 2.3 DHFs for something beefier (whatever I get will be run tubeless).

    I will post some pics once I get my bike finished and back in my hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Yes. That is indeed me.

    I swapped the brakes for 4 pot XTs, the drivetrain to an XT shifter and XT rear d, the crank to a RaceFace Turbine (with the new RaceFace oval ring), the bar to a RaceFace SixC, the dropper to a Fox Factory Transfer with Wolftooth remote, the fork to a Fox Factory 34 (at 140mm), and some other stuff too.

    Still waiting for the fork. Everything else is done. Just trying to decide if I should swap out the 2.3 DHFs for something beefier (whatever I get will be run tubeless).

    I will post some pics once I get my bike finished and back in my hands.
    That sounds like a bling build. Looking forward to the pics. So did you dismantle the stock build and sell all the components you won't need? How does that black chrome finish look in real life?
    regarding tires, what do you have on your mind?
    I currently run DHF 2.5 in front and 2.3 rear on wtb asym i29 rims, but already bought another DHF 2.5 for the rear. I'm wondering if the nobby nic's in 2.6 would be a good choice as well. I guess I'll have to give that a go sooner rather than later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    That sounds like a bling build. Looking forward to the pics. So did you dismantle the stock build and sell all the components you won't need? How does that black chrome finish look in real life?
    regarding tires, what do you have on your mind?
    I currently run DHF 2.5 in front and 2.3 rear on wtb asym i29 rims, but already bought another DHF 2.5 for the rear. I'm wondering if the nobby nic's in 2.6 would be a good choice as well. I guess I'll have to give that a go sooner rather than later.
    I will respond more fully shortly (a meeting at work is interrupting these much more important things in my life).

    As for a bling build, no. This is intended to be a utilitarian, fiscally responsible build. XT, stock wheelset, Turbine crank, etc. I was trying to keep it real on this. Now...the bike I bought earlier this year...yikes. That was NOT a utilitarian build. Nor was it fiscally responsible. It was downright dumb. Whatever. Life is short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Thinking about picking up a fatty...at my LBS. Not in a bar. Any of you lovers of the Honzo ever think about picking up a Wozo, based on your love of the Honzo?
    FWIW, thers no way id buy a new fatbike. Too niche and the odds are it will get less than expected use. My buddy in utah wanted a wozo but could never find one, so he bought a RM blizzard and loves it, especially for the price.

    https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/lis...on=3&q=fatbike

    Quote Originally Posted by kwapik View Post
    Kona has a couple of different year Wozo frames on sale right now. Also some really good deals on a variety of other Kona frames.

    https://konabikes.com/shop/bike-shop...rames.html?p=1

    Thanks ATXZJ for pointing me in that direction.
    NP. Thats a good deal too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    That sounds like a bling build. Looking forward to the pics. So did you dismantle the stock build and sell all the components you won't need? How does that black chrome finish look in real life?
    regarding tires, what do you have on your mind?
    I currently run DHF 2.5 in front and 2.3 rear on wtb asym i29 rims, but already bought another DHF 2.5 for the rear. I'm wondering if the nobby nic's in 2.6 would be a good choice as well. I guess I'll have to give that a go sooner rather than later.
    Ok. Meeting is done.

    My LBS was good enough to give me a really good deal on all the swaps. They essentially purchased everything from me that I didn't want, and I paid the difference on the new components.

    The colour of that bike is incredible. It's what caught my eye immediately. It looks very rich and timeless. It's one of the best looking frames I have owned. I have yet to see it much outside. Hopefully it sparkles as beautifully as it does indoors.

    I have no idea what to do for tires. The stock 3C/DC 2.3 DHFs will likely be fine. I thought though that maybe my aging back might prefer 2.6 Rekons, or maybe 2.5 Minions. NNs in 2.6, as you say, are a definite possibility as well. I will probably just leave it as is with the 2.3 DHFs and buy some more tires over the winter to experiment come spring. Tires are relatively inexpensive and fun to experiment with. Generally, I am a 2.3 Minion guy (DHF/DHR2) but with this hardtail, I may need some more cush.

    I need to decide on this Wozo asap. Not sure what to do. I fear you may be right on the redundancy issue, and that a 4.8 fat bike might be a better option for the quiver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    FWIW, thers no way id buy a new fatbike. Too niche and the odds are it will get less than expected use....[/url]
    That's probably what will happen with me. Commuting daily through the snow may be enough winter biking. That said, I have been having such a blast lately on my commutes that I thought it might be nice to try to hit some of the mountain trails once a week or so. I think a fat bike is a necessity for this, given the amount of snow we get. This would be my first fat bike. In the past, I have commuted on weekdays, and skied on weekends (and sometimes on weekdays too, when we get a massive dump). Fat biking would be a brand new thing for me.

    Okay guys. Truly sorry for going down a gopher hole.

    Back to Honzo builds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Back to Honzo builds...
    agreed... ...are there any 2019 british racing green honzos out there already? can we see some pics and read some impressions? need fix for the addiction...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    That's probably what will happen with me. Commuting daily through the snow may be enough winter biking. That said, I have been having such a blast lately on my commutes that I thought it might be nice to try to hit some of the mountain trails once a week or so. I think a fat bike is a necessity for this, given the amount of snow we get. This would be my first fat bike. In the past, I have commuted on weekdays, and skied on weekends (and sometimes on weekdays too, when we get a massive dump). Fat biking would be a brand new thing for me.

    Okay guys. Truly sorry for going down a gopher hole.

    Back to Honzo builds...
    If i still lived in Salt Lake City like my buddy, Id be all over a fatbike as the trails are snow covered for 5-6 mos out of the year. He loves that thing and has added a dropper ETC and taken it on the lift trail in dear valley. Its hilarious.

    I can absolutely see why somone in Alberta would want one
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    Kona is selling the 30yr headtube badge if anyone is interested.
    They're currently pre-order and $20CAD.
    I've ordered one as I'm jealous of not being able to afford the limited edition 30yr frame!
    I have something in the works that I'll be putting the headtube badge on. I can't say what it is at the moment as I don't want to jinx anything.

    Link - Kona 30th Birthday Anniversary Headtube Badge|KONA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    agreed... ...are there any 2019 british racing green honzos out there already? can we see some pics and read some impressions? need fix for the addiction...
    Turboviking posted one up . Not sure if you saw it. It is very matchy matchy. I like it.

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    Guys - cross post in the Wheels and Tires subform. Any thoughts would be much appreciated. Thanks.

    ==========

    Ok. Sincere apologies right off the bat. I know that there is lots of useful info smattered throughout numerous similar threads. I need to pull the pin soon on some tires (i.e.; next few days). If someone can make a quick recommendation or two, I sure would appreciate it.

    Bike: 2018 steel Honzo hardtail. Stock tires: 2.3 3C DHF front, 2.3 DHF DC rear.


    Mods: lots. Drivetrain, brakes, cockpit, dropper. Most significantly for this tire issue, awaiting arrival of a Fox Factory 34 at 140mm (replacing the stock 120mm Revelation), which should give me a little more squish.


    Wheels: stock alloy low level WTBs - 29er, 30 mm id. Avoiding carbon for now, for fear of harshness (I own/have owned Enves, E*13s, and We Are Ones). Intentionally sticking with alloy for now.


    Terrain: Calgary area - mostly Rocky Mountain foothills - mostly West Bragg, for those familiar with the area - pretty gentle, buff and flowy, dry, some roots and rock.


    Rider: 185 lbs out of the shower, 6 feet. 25+ years of riding, many of those year round through the winter. Much more enthusiastic than skilled, but game for anything. Increasingly ailing body. Advil now a staple.


    Primary Objective: more cush.


    2.5 DHF/2.4 DHR2? 2.6 Rekons? 2.6 NNs?

    Always been a 2.3 or 2.5 DHF/2.3 DHR2 guy, but this is the first hardtail I have owned in over a decade. I am a little concerned it is going to eventually beat the shit out of me. Hopefully a well chosen tire may reduce the retina detaching ill effects somewhat.

    Thanks guys.

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    I would give DHF/Rekon in 2.6 a whirl. They are larger volume-wise than Maxxis' 2.5 tires. They do lose durability compare to a 2.5 because they are lighter. Another combo I am interested in 2.6 Mary/Hans as I hear Addix has fixed a lot of Schwalbe's issues. They are more to true to size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    I would give DHF/Rekon in 2.6 a whirl. They are larger volume-wise than Maxxis' 2.5 tires. They do lose durability compare to a 2.5 because they are lighter. Another combo I am interested in 2.6 Mary/Hans as I hear Addix has fixed a lot of Schwalbe's issues. They are more to true to size.
    Yes. Thank you. 2.6 MM/HD needs to be put on my radar. I gave up on all things Schwalbe years and years ago. But agreed - maybe time to give them another shot.

    What size DHF are you suggesting? 2.5? So 2.5 DHF front/2.6 Rekon rear? I have never had a larger tire on the rear in my life, although maybe the actual sizes would be indistinguishable. Or maybe it doesn't matter.

    As an aside, I think I may have screwed up buying this bike. In hindsight, I think I might have been better off getting a Wozo, running it as a BFat for 3 seasons, and putting 4.0 studded Dillingers on it for the winter. Dammit. Now I am looking at throwing down on yet another bike - a fat bike - and I don't even have the Honzo back from the LBS. I wish I could return it but man - even for me, a long time loyal customer, that may be a lot to ask. I bought it in August (and it has remained at the LBS ever since, undergoing major surgery and still awaiting the arrival of my 34 fork).

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    I am suggesting a 2.6 DHF for the front with a 2.6 Rekon in the back if you are sticking with Maxxis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    I am suggesting a 2.6 DHF for the front with a 2.6 Rekon in the back if you are sticking with Maxxis.
    Ok. Thanks. I checked at the Maxxis site and did not see a 2.6 DHF. But maybe they are just out of them? No idea. I have only run 2.3 and 2.5 DHFs in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    Turboviking posted one up . Not sure if you saw it. It is very matchy matchy. I like it.
    Thanks a lot for the headsup, i forgot about that one (I even commented on that post...). Really an eyecatcher!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Ok. Thanks. I checked at the Maxxis site and did not see a 2.6 DHF. But maybe they are just out of them? No idea. I have only run 2.3 and 2.5 DHFs in the past.
    That Maxxis website is not all too reliable unfortunately, they don't completely list all the available combinations of sizes and compounds.

    In case you need some inspiration to push you one way or the other regarding that Wozo:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6LlrxYkVqQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSNQpNKTkCs

    Garry's is completely decked out with Hope parts, that looks magnificent.


    Edit: and of course you probably saw this one: Cold Smoke ‚Äď Smokey shreds the Kona Wozo | KONA COG

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    This
    https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...8aApSZEALw_wcB

    And this in the back
    https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...saAmT8EALw_wcB


    BTW, I have some 2.6 x 29 NN and really liked them
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    Here is a DHF 29 2.6 at Worldwide Cyclery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beer_coffee_water View Post
    Here is a DHF 29 2.6 at Worldwide Cyclery.
    Thank you. I wasnít doubting you. I am largely in the dark when it comes to tires. I found a few older threads. From what I gather, the 2.6 DHF is lighter but not nearly as robust as the 2.5.

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    I didn't think you were doubting me. I just wanted to help point you in right direction because it seems like you are settled on a DHF for the front of your Honzo. If so, I don't blame you because I can't say there is a better front tire in my experience so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Yes. Thank you. 2.6 MM/HD needs to be put on my radar. I gave up on all things Schwalbe years and years ago. But agreed - maybe time to give them another shot.

    What size DHF are you suggesting? 2.5? So 2.5 DHF front/2.6 Rekon rear? I have never had a larger tire on the rear in my life, although maybe the actual sizes would be indistinguishable. Or maybe it doesn't matter.

    As an aside, I think I may have screwed up buying this bike. In hindsight, I think I might have been better off getting a Wozo, running it as a BFat for 3 seasons, and putting 4.0 studded Dillingers on it for the winter. Dammit. Now I am looking at throwing down on yet another bike - a fat bike - and I don't even have the Honzo back from the LBS. I wish I could return it but man - even for me, a long time loyal customer, that may be a lot to ask. I bought it in August (and it has remained at the LBS ever since, undergoing major surgery and still awaiting the arrival of my 34 fork).
    here's some suggested reading for you

    https://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/ko...a-1029924.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rynee View Post
    here's some suggested reading for you

    https://forums.mtbr.com/fat-bikes/ko...a-1029924.html
    Thanks. Read the whole thing and have exchanged numerous PMs.

    I am down to the fine strokes. I have it narrowed down to 2 candidates - one of which is the Wozo, albeit the dark horse candidate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Thanks. Read the whole thing and have exchanged numerous PMs.

    I am down to the fine strokes. I have it narrowed down to 2 candidates - one of which is the Wozo, albeit the dark horse candidate.
    what size frame are you looking for Mike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    what size frame are you looking for Mike?

    Large. What do you have in mind?

    The complete build Wozo seems to me to be a horrible deal. I am looking for a winter only bike. As you know, I just bought a steel Honzo and have a 2018 29er Sight in the quiver, both of which will see 3 season duty.

    If I am going for a complete build, I can get a Norco Sasquatch 1 with an Eagle drivetrain and a dropper for $400 less. I appreciate itís a different animal, but still.


    Long time Kona fan. I currently have 6 in my garage. But as a general comment, I find almost all Kona complete builds these days to be a horrible deal. Plus their component spec is generally pretty shitty, even for their higher end builds.

    But that geo...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post
    Thanks. Read the whole thing and have exchanged numerous PMs.

    I am down to the fine strokes. I have it narrowed down to 2 candidates - one of which is the Wozo, albeit the dark horse candidate.
    You're welcome! Nice work

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrmike View Post


    Large. What do you have in mind?

    The complete build Wozo seems to me to be a horrible deal. I am looking for a winter only bike. As you know, I just bought a steel Honzo and have a 2018 29er Sight in the quiver, both of which will see 3 season duty.

    If I am going for a complete build, I can get a Norco Sasquatch 1 with an Eagle drivetrain and a dropper for $400 less. I appreciate itís a different animal, but still.


    Long time Kona fan. I currently have 6 in my garage. But as a general comment, I find almost all Kona complete builds these days to be a horrible deal. Plus their component spec is generally pretty shitty, even for their higher end builds.

    But that geo...
    Yes, Kona completes only make sense at closeout prices. The hubs and headsets they use are an insult, usually. (And I'm also a big time fan since 2002)

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    My REALLY Big Honzo

    shown here on the Splash Dam South Trail in Davis, WV. I wanted a bike for the vacation house that I could depend on, would crawl over roots a rocks nicely, and could be leaned against a wall in the basement when I am done. No fuss. I worked to hard to get that cabin and want to maximize my fun/time.

    XL 2018 Kona Big Honzo

    Yari 150mm fork (sounds freakish from a geometry standpoint but it is totally norrmal feeling. Nice a chill.

    Grip-shifted SRAM 1x11 set up with a Sunrace 11-50 cassette
    Fratelli (from Amazon) 29 x 35mm front wheel and a 27.5 x 40mm rear wheel. 2.6 front tire and a 3.0 rear.

    Ritchy carbon post until I have a few bucks for a PNW dropper

    XT brakes

    Fenders for da' mud. We ride the mud because that is all we have.
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    So apparently my fork finally arrived today. I need to decide now how much of the steerer tube I need to cut. I haven't seen it yet but apparently I can't leave it uncut because it is so long it will poke my eye out. Lol. I like leaving them loooooong, with spacers on top. Just in case.

    It's down to that, and tires.

    I am also on the edge of throwing caution to the wind and ordering some We Are One Agent wheels with DT 350 hubs. I can get those on sale if I act quickly.

    I should have the bike this week. I will post a few pics after I get it. I would say that it turned out very modestly blinged. Just ever so slightly. A fiscally responsible component build. Just enough to keep it a little bit interesting, without upsetting my banker.

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    This has probably been covered but I cant find my answer, A friend of mine just picked up a 2015 frame not knowing it was QR rear, so 135mm spacing, can he change the modular dropout to a thru axle or is the entire frame too narrow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HonzSolo View Post
    This has probably been covered but I cant find my answer, A friend of mine just picked up a 2015 frame not knowing it was QR rear, so 135mm spacing, can he change the modular dropout to a thru axle or is the entire frame too narrow?
    That's odd, the 2015 came stock as 142x12.maybe the previous owner changed the dropouts to 135?
    Anyway, the frame does accept 142x12, your mate just needs to swap the dropouts

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