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    I meant to take some bare frame porn shots of my new Endo, but I got carried away with the build and forgot. So this ^^^ is what you get for now!

    3yrs ago when I got my last bike [Pivot Mach 6] I actually had a Warden on order and changed my mind for a number of reasons. Funnily enough one of them was wanting to have the same bike as my GF for ease of maintenance/spare parts and she eventually ditched the Mach 6 for a Warden!

    This time around I was planning on getting a 29er [and still am], but I can never seem to find the "right" one and get the trigger pulled. I decided to get the Endo because it's got some features I've wanted to check out for a while [4x4, shorter travel, CC climb switch, shorter CS] and a bit more tire clearance than the Mach 6 so I can run a 2.5" - 2.6" tire. I also liked the fact it wasn't Boost so I could share parts with the Mach 6 easily.

    I had been thinking about a used Endo, but then the sale dropped and it was pretty hard to resist getting a Knolly. I can't let the GF have the only Knolly in the house and living in BC it seems like we should ride a local brand.

    I'm 5'11" with 33" pants inseam, which puts me right between a M and L frame. I suspect Knolly would fit me on a L, but I ride slow techy forest trails 90% of the time so I value playfulness/agility over stability. I also like a slack STA for seated pedalling and climbing. It's more comfortable and more efficient for me. So I'll use a setback seatpost, which gives me more Eff TT than my L Mach 6 and the reach on a M Endo is longer than my L Mach 6. Holding the Endo frame up against my M6 shows they are pretty much the same size.

    For a build kit I really like the parts on my Pivot so I'll use a lot of the same stuff:

    - 150mm Pike
    - XT brakes 203/180
    - XT 11 spd shifter/derailleur
    - RF Next SL cranks + Atlas pedals
    - RF Atlas stem/SixC bars
    - CB Joplin dropper [will swap in a 9.8 later]
    - Light Bicycle carbon rims + Hope hubs [share wheels with M6 for now]

    I don't like to swap back and forth on different bikes so the Endo will have to tackle all my normal AM riding hence the burly build.

    The bare frame with CC DBA + axle + seatpost collar weighs ~7.5lbs. So I'm expecting the complete build to be ~28lbs.

    Anyways I'm glad to be on Team Knolly finally. I've got a couple buddies interested in the Endo sale so hopefully they pull the trigger [some colours, sizes and shock options are selling out] before it's too late.
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    I like it. My local dealer said he will match CR's price and maybe others will as well.
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    Your red Endo definitely helped push me over the edge Travis. Every 5mins I wish I had got the red or the raw, but I'm pretty sure that if I had I'd be wishing I got the black. One of the few things I regret about my Mach 6 is the power ranger blue paint job. So getting a black bike seemed like a solid move.

    My buddy was looking at the online sale and noticed some colours/sizes/shock options he wanted were sold out so the sale will end sometime soon and retail prices will go back to normal. It's cool your local dealer is willing to match the sale....maybe Knolly is offering some compensation to dealers with inventory? That would make sense.
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    Nice! Can't wait to hear about your first impressions. These prices seriously have me considering building up a small for my daughter, I have enough parts to do it, but she really doesn't need a bike that nice or even could appreciate it.

    Colors, they all look good! Fun you mention that. I always had black bikes before, so wanted something different, had the blue on order but that was right when they came out and the blue was a month wait. So I went red. Part of me always wanted the raw though. Then one day I was at a car show and there was this Ford GT in the red with white stripes. I had my bike and the owner of the car let me bring it over by it, the colors were so close, I fell in love with the red right then.

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    Well I think a high quality bike can really ignite the passion of rider and get them stoked to ride so it could be a solid investment for your daughter. And once the sale is over and forgotten a lightly used Endo won't sell for a whole lot less than the sale price so the risk is low.
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    Sherwin, just curious, how tall is your daughter? I've considered building a small endo for my kids but I think it's a wee bit too big for them right now.

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    The black with white looks classic, good choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coleman22 View Post
    Sherwin, just curious, how tall is your daughter? I've considered building a small endo for my kids but I think it's a wee bit too big for them right now.
    Shes about 5'1". Shes been riding my wifes Trek Lush 14.5" the past year or so and my wife is 5'0". I think the Endo might be a little big yet, but she's been growing pretty fast the last year or so. At these sale prices, even if it takes a year or 2 to grow into, well it's a bike then I can pass down to younger ones as they get to that stage of a good bike that can really let them progress. My thought is each kid is going to at some point fit it, so the investment would be worthwhile. A perfect bike to have around for a decade and let the kids learn on. It's the next step when each one needs a bigger bike and they are used to quality, then i might need to sell the house

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    Nice one!! Be interesting to see how the two of you find the two different Knollys. I'm absolutely loving my Endo, it just feels like the perfect bike for what I ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    Nice one!! Be interesting to see how the two of you find the two different Knollys. I'm absolutely loving my Endo, it just feels like the perfect bike for what I ride.
    Thanks. I am excited to ride something different. I've been on 6"+ VPP/DW link bikes for almost a decade so riding a shorter travel active suspension bike should be fun. I have no complaints about my Mach 6 beyond the fact I've ridden it so damn much I'm a bit bored.

    Before the sale I considered getting a used Warden, but with a SC Nomad and Pivot Mach 6 in the garage another 6" travel AM bike seems redundant. I may get rid of the Nomad, but I am keeping the Mach 6 for sure. I still love that bike. I just needed a change of flavour.

    I should sell the Nomad, but part of me wants to keep it so I can show up for group rides in 10yrs on a 26er and blow kids' minds.
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    Congrats vik! Looking forward to your build up. Having followed your Mach 6 builds on the Pivot forum I know the kind of attention to detail and good photo documenting you do.

    When we were chatting on PMs I wondered what size you'd go with. Given your love of the M6 and it's relatively shorter tt and reach and your size and type of riding you do most, I think you made the right choice going with the medium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Congrats vik! Looking forward to your build up. Having followed your Mach 6 builds on the Pivot forum I know the kind of attention to detail and good photo documenting you do.

    When we were chatting on PMs I wondered what size you'd go with. Given your love of the M6 and it's relatively shorter tt and reach, your size and type of riding you do most, I think you made the right choice.
    Thanks KRob your review of the Mach 6 sealed the deal on that bike and your Endo posts definitely made me feel good about trying one. I think for the tight forest a M is the right choice. The M Endo has a reach that is ~1" longer than the L Mach 6. So I figure I'll get a taste for a longer front end this way without going to a bike that is so long it's a hassle. I also value playful over stability.
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    What length seatpost are you thinking you will need? I didnt realize the M had such a short seat tube (16.5"). Knolly does have a fairly slack ST angle (69deg) so you might find yourself a bit too far over the back wheel?
    Only inquiring as I have similar measurements (5'11.5", 32" inseam) and I would put myself on a L partly because of the short seat tube on the M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    What length seatpost are you thinking you will need? I didnt realize the M had such a short seat tube (16.5"). Knolly does have a fairly slack ST angle (69deg) so you might find yourself a bit too far over the back wheel?
    Only inquiring as I have similar measurements (5'11.5", 32" inseam) and I would put myself on a L partly because of the short seat tube on the M.
    I don't know what length seatpost yet. Haven't got around to completing the build. With the super long droppers made by 9.8 I'll find one that works.

    Having ridden my GF's medium Warden I'm not concerned about the sizing nor the STA. I don't find the "modern" steep STAs comfortable nor efficient for pedalling. I feel like I am perched over the BB like I am on a unicycle.

    What will determine your saddle position is the length of the seat tube + dropper and the seat tube angle. It doesn't matter if seat tube is longer or shorter you'll end up with the saddle in the same spot. So I don't see moving to a Large would change anything in that regard.

    I find having a rearward weight bias is actually beneficial for our techy climbing. It's keeps the front wheel light so it moves over tech easily and if I want I can pop the front wheel up and place it down on a new line. I've never had issues with the front end coming up when I didn't want it to.

    FWIW - my Mach 6 has about 1" of exposed seatpost with a 5" dropper. So I'll likely get a 6" dropper for the Endo and have ~2.5" of seatpost exposed. That doesn't seem crazy to me.
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    My buddy ordered an Endo for himself and his wife. The local Knolly crew is growing. On one hand that makes our bikes less special on the other it will be cool to shred down the trail with a pack of Knollys.

    Seeing another Pivot owner on Vancouver Island was a once or twice a year occurrence.
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    I saw 6 Knollys here in one day, which is unusual. By buddy and I stopped at a rib place in Nanaimo after a ride and there were 2 other bikes in the parking lot, all 4 were Knollys.
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    Welcome to the club Vic! I think you will be very happy with your Endo. I'd be interested to hear how it performs compared to your Pivot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I saw 6 Knollys here in one day, which is unusual. By buddy and I stopped at a rib place in Nanaimo after a ride and there were 2 other bikes in the parking lot, all 4 were Knollys.
    Cool. I see Knolly's regularly in Victoria. Not super common, but of the smaller brands they are well represented here. And the numbers are growing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skooks View Post
    Welcome to the club Vic! I think you will be very happy with your Endo. I'd be interested to hear how it performs compared to your Pivot.
    Thanks a comparison between the Mach 6 and Endo is inevitable. I'm going to ride the best bike for my needs and what puts the biggest smile on my face. The Mach 6 is a pretty amazing bike so that's a solid reference for competition. They are not the same category of bike and I will keep that in mind.

    My hope is that the Endo pretty capable on the AM end of the gnar scale, but that it has benefits for the majority of my riding [handling/efficiency] on less challenging sections of trail and I'm okay with giving up some plowing/crushing capability for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Not super common, but of the smaller brands they are well represented here.
    Every ride I've done in BC was packed full of Knollys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Every ride I've done in BC was packed full of Knollys.
    Ha! So true.

    Although I wouldn't buy a bike for this I like the fact there is a decent community/brand stoke around Knolly. Pivot makes great bikes, but the brand stoke level is low and owners travelling from all over to meet up and ride....ya not going to happen.
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    Welcome to the club Vik, I'll keep an eye out for you and your bike out at the dump!

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    Quote Originally Posted by home_piece View Post
    Welcome to the club Vik, I'll keep an eye out for you and your bike out at the dump!
    Thanks what model/colour are you riding?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Every ride I've done in BC was packed full of Knollys.
    Love the energy these bikes radiate! Museum of Knolly's...keep building great bikes!

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    I started getting some Conti Trail Kings in 2.4" width mounted on my 27.5 wheels. One of the reasons I went with the Endo was the room for wide "conventional" rubber. I have no desire to run plus tires, but 2.5" - 2.6" tires could work well for where I live.

    I'm going to roll on the TKs first because I own a fresh set and because they are one of my favourite tires so I know how they perform very well and it will let me understand the Endo better.

    The other tires I know I like are Vittoria Morsas which come in a 2.5" width that looks sweet. I'm putting one on the back of the GF's Warden for the summer.

    I may also try a set of the Maxxis 2.8" plus tires, which in typical Maxxis fashion are actually not super wide and not a plus tire in my books

    I think other 2.5" - 2.6" rubber will drop for 2017 so I'll keep my options open for a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by home_piece View Post
    This one

    Wow. That's nice.
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    want one!! so nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    What will determine your saddle position is the length of the seat tube + dropper and the seat tube angle. It doesn't matter if seat tube is longer or shorter you'll end up with the saddle in the same spot. So I don't see moving to a Large would change anything in that regard.
    The further your seat post extends beyond the top of the seat tube, the further toward the back your weight will shift. Obviously your seat height is a function of your leg length and crank length. There will definitely be a more rearward position on a med with a shorter seat tube and a longer seatpost than on the large with a longer seat tube and a shorter seat post. The slacker the seat tube angle, the more pronounced the effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    The further your seat post extends beyond the top of the seat tube, the further toward the back your weight will shift. Obviously your seat height is a function of your leg length and crank length. There will definitely be a more rearward position on a med with a shorter seat tube and a longer seatpost than on the large with a longer seat tube and a shorter seat post. The slacker the seat tube angle, the more pronounced the effect.
    No. If the BB/seattube relationship/angle is the same on the medium and the large then the same rider on both sizes will end up with their saddle in the same place. The only thing that determines this is total us distance between BB and saddle.

    Why would it matter if the seattube was 2" longerand the dropper was 2" shorter or vice versa? The angle doesn't changeat the top of the seattube.

    Draw it out on some graph paper or the computer equivalent. It becomes obvious.

    Now if the actual seattube angle was different on a medium and on a large. Than what you are saying could be correct. But it would have nothing to do with seattube length and everything to do with the actual angle of the seattube.
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    Knolly swag for sale on the website.

    https://shop.knollybikes.com/collections/soft-goods
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    The further your seat post extends beyond the top of the seat tube, the further toward the back your weight will shift. Obviously your seat height is a function of your leg length and crank length. There will definitely be a more rearward position on a med with a shorter seat tube and a longer seatpost than on the large with a longer seat tube and a shorter seat post. The slacker the seat tube angle, the more pronounced the effect.
    BTW - just to be sure I wasn't making a mistake I ended up calling Knolly and Noel was kind enough to chat with me for a minute [great customer service].

    For the same rider on a medium and on a large the saddle will be in the same position relative to the BB/rear axle on both sizes. So I'm not further back on a medium than I would be if I had bought a large. On the large there would just be more seattube and less exposed dropper.
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    I guess that makes sense now that I think about it. I guess your weight bias will be more toward the back on the medium than the large because of the shorter reach? Does that idea make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    I guess that makes sense now that I think about it. I guess your weight bias will be more toward the back on the medium than the large because of the shorter reach? Does that idea make sense?
    Yes that makes sense. You'd use a shorter stem on the large to achieve the same seated reach to the bars. That's another reason I went with the smaller of the two sizes. I like the techy climbing better with a bit more weight over the front wheel. I also like the shorter wheelbase for manoeuvring in tight spots.
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    More Knolly in the house!



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    The raw looks sweet. Congrats!
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    BTW - If anyone Knolly owners want to meet up for some riding in Moab/Frutia/GJ 22 April - 7 May [give or take] my two riding buddies both had personal emergencies that are taking them out of the mission.

    I'm thinking of camping and keeping things fairly basic/low cost.

    I am not 100% tied to those locations. I'm driving from BC so anywhere warm and dry that time of year with good riding and 2 days or less travel time from BC is cool. So that includes Sedona/Flagstaff/Prescott.

    Other option is if anyone wants to come to BC trail ride Whistler, Squamish, North Shore, Pemberton, etc... that could work. Less exotic for me, but I don't ride those areas normally so still fresh dirt.

    If I don't the holidays that time of year I'm stuck at my desk until the fall.
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    That sounds really good. I'm currently in Richland, WA and was thinking that a trip to Moab was necessary this year. Those dates might work, I would just need to figure out my work schedule though.

    BTW. I'm also a new member to the KNation. Here's a pic of the Warden C on my first ride with the. What a fun bike.New to the KNation!-img_20170114_160529-2.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedrosalas7 View Post
    That sounds really good. I'm currently in Richland, WA and was thinking that a trip to Moab was necessary this year. Those dates might work, I would just need to figure out my work schedule though.

    BTW. I'm also a new member to the KNation. Here's a pic of the Warden C on my first ride with the. What a fun bike.Click image for larger version. 

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    Great looking bike. Let me know those dates end up working for you.
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    Are you pretty set on those dates? I'm hoping to do a Moab trip this Spring but will be just getting back from Hawaii on April 22 so pretty sure I won't be able to head straight to Moab from the airport (not to mention, miss another week of work )

    Not sure when will work for me though. Still trying to figure that out (get the hall pass etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Are you pretty set on those dates? I'm hoping to do a Moab trip this Spring but will be just getting back from Hawaii on April 22 so pretty sure I won't be able to head straight to Moab from the airport (not to mention, miss another week of work )

    Not sure when will work for me though. Still trying to figure that out (get the hall pass etc).
    I could do 30 April - 13 May 2017. That's as far back as I could push things as I am organizing some local MTB events starting the next weekend. I could hit Frutia and GJ first and then meet up with you in Moab for 7 - 13 May?
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    May is probably worse for me. Couple of graduations and starting to get things set up for our enduro race.
    I'll shoot you a pm and see if we can work something out. It's always fun to hook up with fellow mtbr friends and Knolly riders.
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    April 27-30 is the Fruita Fat Tire Fest if that's your kind of thing. There will certainly be a few Knolly riders in town (and hopefully some official Knolly representation?)
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    So I've decided to stick with BC for my trip in April so I'll be riding the North Shore and Squamish 24 - 30 April 2017. I'll be hitting the shore first and then onto Squamish for the weekend.

    Any Knolly riders who want to check out these trails are welcome to join in.

    My plan will be to camp unless weather is total $hit in which case I'll grab hotel room.
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    Wish I could do that! I'm really needing some BC fix. Maybe in the fall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Wish I could do that! I'm really needing some BC fix. Maybe in the fall.
    If you ever want to check out Vancouver Island I can guide you and give you a place to stay. It's not famous like Whistler or the North Shore, but the riding is outstanding if you like techy steep natural forest trails.
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    BTW - I plan to run my cables externally and don't want the big port covers on my Endo. So I'm going to 3D print some flat covers for each side. I'll make a few extras. If anyone wants one PM me. I'm only going to make a small batch, but I can provide the 3D printer files to anyone if you want to make a set locally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    If you ever want to check out Vancouver Island I can guide you and give you a place to stay. It's not famous like Whistler or the North Shore, but the riding is outstanding if you like techy steep natural forest trails.
    Thanks! Man, I'd be all over that. I've seen some cool photos and vids of Vancouver Island riding and always wanted to check it out.
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    Would love to join you Vic, but maybe next year. We've talked it up for the last year or two, but there's 3-4 of the guys i ride with dead keen on a trip to Canada in 2018. Watch this space!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    BTW - I plan to run my cables externally and don't want the big port covers on my Endo. So I'm going to 3D print some flat covers for each side. I'll make a few extras. If anyone wants one PM me. I'm only going to make a small batch, but I can provide the 3D printer files to anyone if you want to make a set locally.
    I would LOVE to get my hands on one of those...
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    another newbie here
    just picked up a warden and can't wait to ride it as soon as it dries out here in bay area

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    Quote Originally Posted by digifun View Post
    another newbie here
    just picked up a warden and can't wait to ride it as soon as it dries out here in bay area
    Welcome! Post pics or it never happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Welcome! Post pics or it never happened.
    thanks!
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    Looking a changing out to a new bike and the Warden is on the list. Is there no internal routing on the alloy Warden and only on the carbon?

    Coming from a number if Giant Trance/Reign's over the years and looking to change it up. The new Giant Trance has some great elements but ... current lack of metric trunnion mount shock choice and relatively slack seat angle have me looking elsewhere.

    I like that the Warden allows for pretty much wide open shock selection. I like the general geo numbers of the frame including a steeper seat angle. Only had a weekend of rides on a 2014 Warden as I waited for what was my new bike to ship. I liked it and felt comfortable on it right away.

    I am in Vancouver and in the past while have spoken with a few Warden riders on the trails all were liking the bikes.

    I will ask the question, even though I know the bias will be strong toward the Knolly, so here goes. The other bike I am looking at is the 2016/17 Bronson. The Devinci Troy/Spartan were also on this list, but fading a little on them.

    So what says the KNation, anyone with ride time on a Bronson and a Warden to provide some comments on the pros & cons.

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    I am curious...for those 5'6-5'7 people out there...you ride a medium or small warden?

    I have a medium endo 275 with 50mm stem and it seems to work. Just curious on the warden.

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    ridetall: It depends on what you like. The fourbyfour suspension on knollys in really really active, which is great downhill and when climbing technical singletrack, the downside is that climbing on fire road there's a lot of movement, but with a good shock it's totally manageable.

    I just changed to a Warden C from a transition scout. The warden is a lot of fun and really playful. It's not as playful as the scout, but a lot more capable and forgiving. The scout pedals more efficiently, but the traction the Warden has when climbing technical trails is astounding.

    I've never liked VPP bikes, while they are really efficient, to me they feel dull and boring. and honestly I think santa cruz bikes are overrated. Don't know about Devinci bikes though

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    Quote Originally Posted by marathon dave View Post
    I am curious...for those 5'6-5'7 people out there...you ride a medium or small warden?

    I have a medium endo 275 with 50mm stem and it seems to work. Just curious on the warden.
    I'm about 5'6" and ride a M Warden with a 45 mm stem. I like the fit, doesn't feel too big by any means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marathon dave View Post
    I am curious...for those 5'6-5'7 people out there...you ride a medium or small warden?

    I have a medium endo 275 with 50mm stem and it seems to work. Just curious on the warden.
    GF is 5'6" and rides a medium Warden with a 50mm stem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marathon dave View Post
    I am curious...for those 5'6-5'7 people out there...you ride a medium or small warden?

    I have a medium endo 275 with 50mm stem and it seems to work. Just curious on the warden.
    I'm just shy of 5'7" and ride a medium Warden C. I have been switching between a 35 and 45mm stem to see what I like best. If you feel good on the Endo you should feel good on the Warden, though it wont feel as playful just due to frame design intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideitall View Post

    I will ask the question, even though I know the bias will be strong toward the Knolly, so here goes. The other bike I am looking at is the 2016/17 Bronson. The Devinci Troy/Spartan were also on this list, but fading a little on them.

    So what says the KNation, anyone with ride time on a Bronson and a Warden to provide some comments on the pros & cons.

    Cheers
    I can only supply an impression I got from a short ride on a Bronson vs two seasons on my Warden. The Bronson immediately felt like a more serious "go fast/stay planted" type bike where the Warden feels more playful.
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    Got a bit more done on the build. I was away for 4 days last weekend and work 10hrs x 4days during the week so only really have the energy to wrench on weekends. Luckily there is a snowstorm going on today so it makes sense to stay inside and mess around with the Endo.

    With some wheels on the bike finally I was able to start adjusting the saddle/bar position. I'm using a 1" setback post with a 50mm stem and 785mm bars. At 5' 11" with a 33" pant's inseam the fit is good. I may go to a 65mm stem and cut the bars down a bit, but I'm not sure yet.

    Next up putting a Conti Trail King on the front, installing the dropper post, chain and cabling the rear derailleur.
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    I'm almost 5'6.5" haha and I'm riding a medium Warden C with a 50mm stem and i'm really liking it so far.

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    Looking good! I didn't notice the shock last time too. How do you find the Conti's? I was nearly going to try some but a guy I ride with beat me to it and we've found they just don't clear the winter mud here. Seem ok in summer though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    Would love to join you Vic, but maybe next year. We've talked it up for the last year or two, but there's 3-4 of the guys i ride with dead keen on a trip to Canada in 2018. Watch this space!
    Awesome. Let me know. I'll be all over any BC Knolly-fests now.
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    Sorry for another boring not quite finished photo! But it's what I got so far. The steerer and brake hoses will have to wait until next week.

    Lots of clearance for my 2.4" Conti TKs.
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    Looks great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Looks great!
    Thanks TB. We'll have to go for an Endo ride in Cumby in the spring.
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    Spring looks a long way off today, but I am looking forward to seeing your endo.
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    Come south. We are shredding Harbourview tomorrow.
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    My buddy came by with one of his two new Endo frames. He also has a raw.

    I have to say all the Endo colour choices are pretty sweet. It's hard to decide if I made the right decision or not. At least I'll get to ride with all the different colours and enjoy them.
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    Thanks Knolly for making allowances for full external cable/hose routing. The setup is slick and it's adaptable/removable so you can make it work for whatever your preferences are.

    I had to go the DIY route to run cables externally on my Pivot. That was fine, but it's nice not to have to.

    BTW - I weighed the Endo. With 1000g tires, tubes, heavy shock and a solid AM build it's 28lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marathon dave View Post
    I am curious...for those 5'6-5'7 people out there...you ride a medium or small warden?

    I have a medium endo 275 with 50mm stem and it seems to work. Just curious on the warden.
    5'7" on a medium warden with a 50mm stem. Seems perfect to me. I just got some wider (770) bars and might try a shorter stem.

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    Lookin' good. That's a pretty good weight. I like your scale better than mine. Is that with pedals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Lookin' good. That's a pretty good weight. I like your scale better than mine. Is that with pedals?
    Yes pedals. Ready to ride. Given I used the same parts on my Mach 6 the build weight was what I expected. The Endo is a bit heavier than Mach 6 so the final build is a bit heavier. Not bad for a metal bike though.
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    Got the build finished just in time for a rare epic snowstorm in Coastal BC. I went with a lot of the same parts I used on my Pivot. They have taken a ton of abuse and worked well so why not?

    - Race Face Next SL cranks [I'm trying 170mm arms this time vs. 175mm normally]
    - Wolf Tooth 28T oval ring [offset more inboard than the stock RF ring for better chainline in low gears]
    - RF BB [original RF PF 92 BB is going strong in my Pivot 3yrs later!]
    -Blackspire crusher taco style bashguard
    - RF Atlas pedals [still on original bearings after 3yrs on Pivot]

    I'm using the older generation Next SL cranks because I saved more than $100 vs. the newer ones. The cranks and the bashguard are made in Canada, which is both rare and cool for bike parts.

    The threaded BB on the Endo is easier to use for use home mechanics. I've had no problems with any of my PF BBs either, but the install/removal of the threaded BB is less hassle for me. Hopefully I won't need to pull the BB any time soon.
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    Mannnn that looks good Vic!

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    Thanks. It's a sweet looking bike. My friend got a red and a raw. All the finish options for the Endo are winners really. My Pivot was a bit crazy with bright power ranger-eqsue graphics so I am happy with the subdued look of the Endo. I may go full murdered out later and cover the white graphics.
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    Looking good Vik. Were you able to use the wheels from the Pivot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skooks View Post
    Looking good Vik. Were you able to use the wheels from the Pivot?
    Yes. Those wheels are the ones off my Mach 6. One of the enticing things about getting an Endo was avoiding Boost and having two bikes with nearly total cross compatibility with parts.

    My plans for World Domination include free up more time next year and beyond for riding. I figured having lots of parts that work on both my main trail bikes would be helpful to keeping me rolling at a higher service intervals.

    Or at least that's what I tell myself...
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    Nice, I switched to 170mm cranks when I make the jump from Warden to Endo (along with an oval ring too) and so far have found it to be a good set up. I did struggle a bit with it today though, Bastard Hill is too steep for me to maintain a good cadence on, and that's when the extra leverage is useful, but for most of my climbing it's fine. Certainly feels a little easier on the knees too, won't be going back to 175s any time soon, but might have to look at something bigger than a 42 on the cassette...

    As for the finish, the red sure is lovely but I've found it a lot less resilient than the black ano of the Warden. I noticed after todays ride (which was mostly a gravel road training mission) there's a few good stone chips in the downtube. I might have to look into some sort of protective tape for it.

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    If you are running 11 speed and Shimano, OneUp has your answer with a 47t cog. Gives you a nice 5t jump between the top three gears (37-42-47).

    https://www.oneupcomponents.com/prod...r-shimano-1x11

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    Nice, I switched to 170mm cranks when I make the jump from Warden to Endo (along with an oval ring too) and so far have found it to be a good set up.
    Thanks for the comment. On a scale of 1 to 10 how noticeable do you find the change to 170mm? Just something you notice on the steepest climbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    If you are running 11 speed and Shimano, OneUp has your answer with a 47t cog. Gives you a nice 5t jump between the top three gears (37-42-47).

    https://www.oneupcomponents.com/prod...r-shimano-1x11
    For that price just get this. SunRace | CSMX8

    I have not found pedal strikes to be an issue with the 175s on the Endo. I recently had to warranty my Next SLs for loose pedal inserts and RF replaced them with the G4s which feel the same except for the weight They don't really look much different either. The bike is looking good.
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    I've got lots of chunky techy climbing to do so I didn't want to take any chances on the low BB and pedal strikes. I find the Mach 6 with a 13.6" BB and sitting relatively high in its 155mm of travel is okay, but I get enough pedal strikes that I figured the extra 5mm of clearance going to 170mm cranks was worth the risk of not liking them.
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    That is also an option yes. Those cassettes aren't easy to find without ordering from Europe I've found. Do you have local source for them?

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    I don't need the range so far so I haven't looked for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Thanks for the comment. On a scale of 1 to 10 how noticeable do you find the change to 170mm? Just something you notice on the steepest climbs?
    Hard to say as I changed cranks, chainring and frame all at the same time. I don't think it's greatly noticeable though, but when you're at the limit of your lowest gear the sight loss of leverage is most apparent. I'm more of a 'sit and spin' kinda guy though.

    11-42 is fine for 98% of my local riding, it's just that one steep steady climb that is still a challenge (gotta ride it more to build up some leg strength!). Those Sunrace cassettes look good though, a friend just bought a 11-40 10 speed one and they look well made as well as well priced. I'd love the E13 wide range one, bit for me it's too pricey for a consumable part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    If you are running 11 speed and Shimano, OneUp has your answer with a 47t cog. Gives you a nice 5t jump between the top three gears (37-42-47).

    https://www.oneupcomponents.com/prod...r-shimano-1x11
    42-47 is such a huge jump. i wonder how it shifts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    That is also an option yes. Those cassettes aren't easy to find without ordering from Europe I've found. Do you have local source for them?
    The 46T and 50t ones should be hitting the US soonish. We have a couple on order.
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    A 5 tooth jump is huge? Considering the new Shimano 11-46t goes 32-37-46 (thats a 9 tooth jump) with good results this will not be a problem. In fact it spaces the last four shifts out perfectly in five tooth jumps (32-37-42-47).
    Not to mention OneUp already has the Shark which goes from 42-50 (8 tooth jump). Granted it needs a new cage to work, but it still works and quite well from what I have seen.

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    Well it looks like I won't be joining the KNation after all. The bikes I was looking at was the Warden and the Bronson. The Warden and the particularly the carbon Warden is one sharp looking bike and I think I would have been very happy on eit
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    I'm a bit stoked to try a new cockpit on the Endo. Wider 785mm bars and 50mm stem vs,. 720mm bars and 65mm stem on the Mach 6. I ride tight forest trails so the wider bars may get cut down, but I figure start wide and see what I think.



    Going to try the 50mm stem, but I do have a 65mm stem I can use if I decide a little more reach to the bars is desirable.



    Although I have done well with Reverbs over the years I am excited to not have that terrible remote on this bike. Once I am sure I love this rig I'll order up a 9point8 dropper, which also has an ergonomic remote and the CB Joplin 4 will be my back up post.



    Shimano XT was such a good deal I grabbed both brakes and 11 speed shifter so I could get a nice clean bar setup. My Mach 6 had Shimano brakes and SRAM shifter + Reverb remote and it was a bit F-Ugly to be honest.



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    Love it. Looks so clean
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    Love it. Looks so clean
    Thanks! Snow is melted in my yard even if it's not gone from the mountains quite yet. I need to get onto the suspension setup next.
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    Gotta say for just a stem that Raceface Atlas has some sweet graphics.
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    Looking good!!

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    Nice looking bike Vik. I predict you are going to like the wide bar and short stem.
    I have had a 150mm 9.8 Fall Line dropper on my Warden for almost a year. It's been very reliable and I am super happy with it.

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    Sweet build, Vik. Does it take a special "match maker" clamp to accommodate both the shifter and the brake or does the standard clamp have that capability?

    I like the clean look , but worry that if I break a clamp on a ride, I lose both functions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Sweet build, Vik. Does it take a special "match maker" clamp to accommodate both the shifter and the brake or does the standard clamp have that capability?

    I like the clean look , but worry that if I break a clamp on a ride, I lose both functions.
    You don't need to buy extra parts, but the brake and shift lever need to be the same version of the Shimano I-Spec system.

    Shimano I-Spec A, B and II mounts explained - BikeRadar

    I haven't broken a brake or shifter mount in a few decades so that isn't something I'm overly worried about. This system is essentially using the brake clamp to mount the shifter to it. The key control [front brake] isn't any different on this setup vs. the non-integrated version.
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    Got my suspension setup. Threw 2 token in my 150mm Pike for more ramp up. Left the CCBA stock for now. I'll see how progressive the suspension feels and add some volume reducers to the shock later if I feel the need.

    Endo is basically done. I'm just waiting for the trails to dry out and a few health issues [back, elbow] to get sorted before she gets her first rip. At least she is pretty to look at in the meantime.
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    I wanted to check if a 600ml Fabric cageless water bottle would work on a medium Endo. Mine has a reservoir shock so I test fit it on my buddy's medium. Works fine.

    The main criticism I've read about these bottles is that they jump ship a lot on rough terrain so not ideal for mountain biking usually. On the medium Endo the fit is tight so that seems be perfect.

    I debated getting the Endo with a lighter shock, but I figured my weight [~200lbs fully geared up] and the fact it would see a decent amount of AM riding vs. chill trail time made a case for the reservoir shock. I may score a used Fox DPS and get it Avy'd if the Endo turns out to be a forever bike. If I do I'll use one of these Fabric bottles for shorter/cooler rides.
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    If anyone is considering the Fabric bottle I suggest taking your bike to the shop to try it first. My medium Endo won't fit the Fabric bottle. Maybe the holes are a little off???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    If anyone is considering the Fabric bottle I suggest taking your bike to the shop to try it first. My medium Endo won't fit the Fabric bottle. Maybe the holes are a little off???
    The guy that suggested this to me described how it would fit and my install has the exact same fit he did on this Endo. Maybe there was something off about the bottle you tried?
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    I think my water bottle bolt holes are too high up on the down tube. The tool keg worked last night, but needs more testing today:0
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    BTW - I plan to run my cables externally and don't want the big port covers on my Endo. So I'm going to 3D print some flat covers for each side. I'll make a few extras. If anyone wants one PM me. I'm only going to make a small batch, but I can provide the 3D printer files to anyone if you want to make a set locally.
    Just a FYI on the covers for the internal cable ports I'm working on. Our 3D printer at work needs repair so I can't make the covers until it's fixed. Since it's a personal project I can't rush the repairs so it could be a little while.

    As soon as I get the first batch of flat covers made I'll post up here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Just a FYI on the covers for the internal cable ports I'm working on. Our 3D printer at work needs repair so I can't make the covers until it's fixed. Since it's a personal project I can't rush the repairs so it could be a little while.

    As soon as I get the first batch of flat covers made I'll post up here.
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    One of our local riding areas. Once the snow melts I'll be thrashing the Endo there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post

    I'm 5'11" with 33" pants inseam, which puts me right between a M and L frame. I suspect Knolly would fit me on a L, but I ride slow techy forest trails 90% of the time so I value playfulness/agility over stability. I also like a slack STA for seated pedalling and climbing. It's more comfortable and more efficient for me. So I'll use a setback seatpost, which gives me more Eff TT than my L Mach 6 and the reach on a M Endo is longer than my L Mach 6. Holding the Endo frame up against my M6 shows they are pretty much the same size.
    How do you feel about the medium? Is it a good size for you? I'm about the same height as you and have a large on order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonoma_MTB View Post
    How do you feel about the medium? Is it a good size for you? I'm about the same height as you and have a large on order.
    I've only done backyard/parking lot rides on the Endo as I wait for winter-ish conditions to subside so I have not got the final word on fit yet.

    I am using a setback seatpost to get the STA I want. This gives me more Eff TT when seated. If I was not using the setback post I'd probably want a large frame for seated pedaling or I'd have to use a 75mm stem on the medium.

    The bike has more reach than my large Mach 6 so standing the fit is fine on the medium.
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    I am still on the fence considering the Endorphin. I am 5'10" with 30" inseam (pants). It is definitely a longer reach than anything I currently ride but has a steeper effective SA, too. I think a medium for me would give me plenty of flexibility as I currently run 70-90mm stems so can lose 30-50mm just on the stem if needed. I'd have bought it already if effective SA was 75.

    I started looking at Transition Scout as their effective SA is 75. However, the Endorphin is hands down better to me for non-sizing issues,e.g., has external routing option, anodized frame option, and much wider tire clearance in rear. Endorphin will likely be my choice, need to think some more.

    My trails are a combination of flow trails with rock gardens and roots. If I go the national forest it is either bench cut with roots or insane rocks. I really don't have the wide open lengthy descents that could find years ago in SoCal so the high speed straight line stability not an issue for me.

    I came across several Endorphin reviews and all are skeptical of the Enduro capabilities which is fine with me. One reviewer from Bike Radar seems to hate the bike but from his comments I would say he was on too small a frame and did not set up his suspension properly.


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    im skeptical of all reviews, bikeradar thinks orange bikes is GOD..its an old suspension design with a premium price and im confident that any knolly will outshine and orange any day

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlopez0811 View Post
    im skeptical of all reviews, bikeradar thinks orange bikes is GOD..its an old suspension design with a premium price and im confident that any knolly will outshine and orange any day

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    Yeah, I discounted their claim heavily because 3 other magazine reviews said nothing like that and just the way it was written the guy seemed dismissive.

    I thought the Pinkbike review by Mike Levy was fair, loved many aspects of the bike, especially the handling in tight conditions and the endless traction on technical climbs, but skeptical of DH prowess. The things they liked are things very high on my list of attributes.


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    Bike radar is a complete joke for any of the reviews they do. It isn't a 160mm enduro beast but it is a very capable bike. The endorphin will be much more capable than the scout. I had the 26" endorphin and I raced about 20 enduros on it at bike parks and mtns across the country. Look up some videos of guys riding their endorphins and you will see how capable it is.

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    I just ordered a Float DPS (coming from a DBAirCS). I'm looking forward to losing a bit of weight and having space for a large insulated bottle.

    I've had that same Fabric bottle on my hardtail for almost a year. No problems with it bouncing out so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkMass View Post
    I just ordered a Float DPS (coming from a DBAirCS). I'm looking forward to losing a bit of weight and having space for a large insulated bottle.

    I've had that same Fabric bottle on my hardtail for almost a year. No problems with it bouncing out so far.
    What don't you like about the DBAirCS? I just ordered an endorphin with that shock but it's a little delayed so I might have time to switch it. I chose the dbaircs because of what I read about the tunability of the shock but I've read about a few people switching away from it. What is the reason?

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    I wasn't ever completely satisfied with the DBAirCS. It always felt like something was wrong/unbalanced.

    It was only after I installed a Monarch+ that I got my bike to behave the way I wanted. Unfortunately, the Monarch+ wasn't reliable.

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    What don't you like about the DBAirCS? .. What is the reason?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaXCarp View Post
    Bike radar is a complete joke for any of the reviews they do. It isn't a 160mm enduro beast but it is a very capable bike. The endorphin will be much more capable than the scout. I had the 26" endorphin and I raced about 20 enduros on it at bike parks and mtns across the country. Look up some videos of guys riding their endorphins and you will see how capable it is.
    I've got a Scout and more recently a Warden. Still getting the Warden dialed in but I'm digging it so far.

    I've never ridden an Endorphin, but based on my experience with the Scout and Warden, I seriously doubt the Endo will be "much more capable" than the Scout. The Scout is no joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganderson View Post
    I've got a Scout and more recently a Warden. Still getting the Warden dialed in but I'm digging it so far.

    I've never ridden an Endorphin, but based on my experience with the Scout and Warden, I seriously doubt the Endo will be "much more capable" than the Scout. The Scout is no joke.
    I'm also curious why you think the Endo is much more capable than the Scout. I haven't ridden an Endo but I spent a day on a Scout and that bike rips.

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    The Scout sounds pretty similar to the Endo. Put a coil and a 150 36 on the Endo and it dips into Enduroville.
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    How are you finding the coil on the Endo?

    I've just spent a week hammering my Endo (cc inline and 150mm Pike) on some pretty gnarly rocky trails in Nelson (NZ, not BC) and while a bit more travel would have been nice the Endo still felt like a great mix of capability in the dh and good pedalling on the long climbs. One thing I'd like is a little more small bump sensitivity out of the rear, haven't quite got the Inline as dialled as I did with the Warden.
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    The coil made small bumps almost disappear. Sadly, I returned the shock yesterday and will continue to save $.
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    Is the Patrol more comparable to the Warden? Never ridden the Transition bikes but they look pretty nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skooks View Post
    Is the Patrol more comparable to the Warden? Never ridden the Transition bikes but they look pretty nice.
    Yup..

    Endorphin = Scout
    Warden = Patrol

    More or less


    It was between Scout & Endo for me... went Scout because I got a great deal and had a Smuggler before.

    Almost went Patrol to complement the Scout, but was still Knolly-curious so I thought I'd mix it up with the Warden.. no regrets! None of these bikes have been carbon for me BTW.

    Both have been great companies to communicate with and both have similar rider owned cool vibe.

    Transition seems to offer a bit better value for dollar, BUT Knolly is a little higher end product.. you can see they put a bit more into the engineering details and manufacture to a high standard. Transition is really smart about giving you the performance without cutting any important corners, while Knolly is more about the performance + the cool expensive details that add character.

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    Great info, thanks. I ride an aluminum Warden and couldn't be happier with it.

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    Some carbonium Light Bicycle rims arrived today. I'll lace them up with some Hope hubs for the Endo.

    https://www.lightbicycle.com/carbon-...ompatible.html



    I had initially thought to share the wheels from my Mach 6 between both bikes, but I changed my mind. Having two wheel sets compatible with both frames gives me redundancy and ensures I'll always be able to roll even if a wheel craps out on me.
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    And 2 types of tires to suit conditions. They look good.

    All Mountain or Heavy Duty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    And 2 types of tires to suit conditions. They look good.

    All Mountain or Heavy Duty?
    I'll start out with Continental Trail King 2.4"'s on both bikes. I'm thinking of trying some Vittoria Moras 2.5" tires on the Endo come summer.

    I got the All Mtn. I'm a feathery 200lbs with gear and the LB rims on my Mach 6 are the standard layup. 3 yrs later with much abuse and rock strikes they are damn near perfect. Same time frame with same tires on similar profile AL rims on my winter bike and the rear AL rim is near beat to death.

    LB carbon rims cost ~double the AL rims I run so I probably will not be buying any more AL rims.
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    Nice! Having 2 wheelsets is a great idea. Gives you the option of building 1 set up light and fast, and the other big and burly with more aggressive tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skooks View Post
    Nice! Having 2 wheelsets is a great idea. Gives you the option of building 1 set up light and fast, and the other big and burly with more aggressive tires.
    I pretty much only do one style of riding [unless I am bikepacking] so I won't really benefit from a light and a burly setup. I just build everything as light as possible while staying reliable. Both wheelsets will look pretty similar. Same hubs, same spokes/nipples and similar carbon rims.

    Having two sets does mean I can have a wheel go down and not miss any riding. That's pretty nice.
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    Just a little more porn while I stay home with my sick cat. The wet weather is making that less of a burden than it would be if this was summer.
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    Beautiful, makes me want to wash mine. At least this rain is melting some snow. My whole crew is out injured, sick, and away on what he calls a vacation. What I call 2 weeks of bikeless hell.
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    There are a lot of injured Hombres down here. If you have to be off the bike for a while the winter is the time to get that done with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    If you ever want to check out Vancouver Island I can guide you and give you a place to stay. It's not famous like Whistler or the North Shore, but the riding is outstanding if you like techy steep natural forest trails.
    Replying to this, so I don't lose it. I would love a guided tour this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big B View Post
    Replying to this, so I don't lose it. I would love a guided tour this year.
    Sounds good. As soon as you have some ideas for dates PM me and I'll let you know what works on my end.
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    And if you are hitting up Vancouver Island (awesome riding BTW) you might as well spend some time on the North Shore/Squamish too. I could most likely show you around some of these trails if you are intested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skooks View Post
    And if you are hitting up Vancouver Island (awesome riding BTW) you might as well spend some time on the North Shore/Squamish too. I could most likely show you around some of these trails if you are intested.
    I'll be riding the NS/Squamish [if snow allows] 24-30 April 2017. Do any harder riding 24-27 April and more fun stuff 28-30 April when the GF shows up.
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    I usually ride the shore 2-3 times per year, and Squamish at least once, but it's always self-guided. Would be great to ride with a local, to make sure I don't miss any interesting stuff. I'll try to remember this thread the next time I'm headed over the border.
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    Finished my endorphin build on Friday before taking off for the weekend. Still need to trim the fork tube and setup the suspension. Can't wait to ride this bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonoma_MTB View Post
    Finished my endorphin build on Friday before taking off for the weekend. Still need to trim the fork tube and setup the suspension. Can't wait to ride this bike!
    Nice looking bike. Enjoy.
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    After riding a hardtail for 2 years I pulled the trigger on a FS bike. I got a crazy good deal on this Knolly Endorphin through Jenson that I couldn't pass up, even though I had never ridden one.

    I think the Steve Storey's GoPro Winning Line ridden on an Endorphin and then reading all of the great reviews in this forum on how poppy and playful the bike was made it easy for me to buy it. Not to mention it's climbing abilities.

    I just put it together today but plan on getting in a ride this week, and will post my thoughts here on the bike after I get some time on the trails.

    Specs:
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    Pretty cool. I have a red one, as does Steve Storey, but for some reason his is faster???
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    The red is hot.

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    Yeah my red one doesn't seem quite as fast as Steve's too...

    Looks like a solid build, night and day difference to your hardtail! I'd suggest setting the shock up as per the recommended sag and base tune to start with until you've had a few rides and got a feel for the bike. I've tried experimenting with mine a little but haven't strayed far from the base tune as it's pretty much spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    Yeah my red one doesn't seem quite as fast as Steve's too...

    Looks like a solid build, night and day difference to your hardtail! I'd suggest setting the shock up as per the recommended sag and base tune to start with until you've had a few rides and got a feel for the bike. I've tried experimenting with mine a little but haven't strayed far from the base tune as it's pretty much spot on.
    Yeah, should be a huge upgrade over my hardtail (Diamondback Sync'r with 140mm Aion and dropper). Thanks for the shock setup tips! I got that same impression from forum posts here that the base tune is pretty solid. Can't wait to hit the trails!

    I doubt I'll be as fast as Steve Storey but hey, something to aspire to, right?

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    Do any of you guys use protective tape like Bike Shield on your Knollys? Just wondering if it's worth doing.

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    Yes, it is worth doing. You can go the fancy route and order the pre-cut/fitted kit from Invisiframe (KNOLLY BIKES - FRAMES | InvisiFrame), or you can go to your local automotive shop and buy a roll of 3M clear protective tape and cut the pieces yourself.
    There is also a product called 'shelter tape' which apparently has a bit more impact resistance than the normal 3M tape (but is also much more expensive).

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    I use Shelter tape on my carbon bike. I haven't used any protective tape on my metal bikes, but my buddy got a new YT and put a serious ding in the lower DT from a rock that was thrown up. That got me thinking I should put a bit of protection on the Endo.
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    Shelter tape on the high impact areas like the DT, and 3M tape on the areas prone to scuffs/scratches (top tube, head tube etc...) for me. Only bikes I dont bother with protection tape is raw finish. Any scratches/dings tend just buff right out with some steel wool!

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    I wish I had with the Endo, the black ano on the Warden was really tough, but the Endo red seems to chip off in good sized chunks when hit with flying rocks...

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    My buddy's red Endo finish is quite fragile as well.
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    Thanks for the feedback! I'll plan on getting some tape and applying some protection to the frame. I definitely don't want rocks to take out huge chunks of the lovely red finish!

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    I've been using this on all my bikes. 2" width is great for the bottom of down tubes, top of top tubes, and wrapping around chain/seat stays.

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    I use 3M clear on my metal frames. It's basically just to minimize scratching from my tailgate pad. I also run mudhugger fenders, so that helps with the rock dings a bit higher up on the down tube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtMerchantBicycles View Post
    I've been using this on all my bikes. 2" width is great for the bottom of down tubes, top of top tubes, and wrapping around chain/seat stays.

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    That looks perfect for what I need, thanks for sharing!

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    Finished my endorphin build on Friday before taking off for the weekend. Still need to trim the fork tube and setup the suspension. Can't wait to ride this bike!
    Awesome build! Wow. 🤘🤘🤘

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    Got some Light Bicycle 38mm carbon rims and Hope hubs built up for the Endo. With true width 2.4" Conti TKs. They fill out the bike well.



    LB has improved the beat seat on their rims since my last set over 3yrs ago. The previous set was great and this set is pretty much perfection. Any tighter fit and it would start to be a hassle.
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    ^^^ that bike looks so good! Can we see a pic of the whole bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonoma_MTB View Post
    ^^^ that bike looks so good! Can we see a pic of the whole bike?


    Here you go. The only thing not final is the dropper. I'll get a 170mm 9point8 dropper later on.
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    Spent a bunch of time today doing urban assault laps around my neighbourhood so I could make a number of smaller adjustments. A bit boring, but worth the time to get things closer to perfect. I took about a month to dial in the Mach 6 to the point where I didn't mess with stuff much. So it's a process for me!

    I ditched the 50mm stem it was too short on a medium frame. Probably would be great on a large. I am now running a 65mm stem. Pushed the saddle as far back as I can on my setback dropper and it's still not as far back from the BB as I would like it to be. I'm hopeful that I get used to it, but it could be a deal breaker. *fingers crossed*

    Standing the bike feels pretty good. Definitely not too small.
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    How tall are you? I'm 5'11" and am riding a large. Started out with a 35mm stem but it's too short for me. Switching to a 50mm this week.

    Regarding the saddle location, urban assault laps might not be the ideal way to feel that out. The seat tube angle is fairly steep on this bike so it's going to feel more at home on steep inclines. You might find you like it better when you get out in the steep stuff.

    And I totally hear you on bike setup being a process. I've had mine over a month and still getting it right. I'm getting very close though.

    I've also found the dbaircs is not just a set it and forget it shock. For me, it takes fine adjustments every ride to get it right. Feels so good when it's dialed though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonoma_MTB View Post
    How tall are you? I'm 5'11" and am riding a large. Started out with a 35mm stem but it's too short for me. Switching to a 50mm this week.

    Regarding the saddle location, urban assault laps might not be the ideal way to feel that out. The seat tube angle is fairly steep on this bike so it's going to feel more at home on steep inclines. You might find you like it better when you get out in the steep stuff.
    I'm 5'11" with a 33" pant's inseam. I could ride a large if I wanted to, but I prefer a more playful/maneuverable bike.

    Agreed that the truth with my enjoyment of the saddle position will come out on the trail, but there is only so much steep climbing to do and lots more rolling terrain to sit and pedal through so in order for this to work it has to feel comfortable on the less steep terrain as well. On my slacker STA bikes I can just scoot forward on the saddle for steep terrain, but on a steeper STA bike you can't slide back off the saddle for flatter terrain. I'll see how I feel after a month of riding.
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    Lookin' good Vik. Love the "filled out" wheel wells. I think my next upgrade on my Endo will be wider rims with WT tires. I'm a little concerned about fork crown clearance though. The MRP Stage uses the same lowers/chassis for the 27.5 and the 26" fork so arch clearance is a bit tight with bigger tires.

    As to reviewers that are skeptical about the high speed stability of the Endo, I don't know what they're smoking. Other than lacking a little gobble-up-everything plushness and travel (think: floats like a butterfly instead of plow sled), the Endo is just as stable on high speed chatter as my Chilcotin.

    And I wouldn't say the the Endo is way more capable than the Scout either. Both very capable with similar geometry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Lookin' good Vik. Love the "filled out" wheel wells. I think my next upgrade on my Endo will be wider rims with WT tires. I'm a little concerned about fork crown clearance though. The MRP Stage uses the same lowers/chassis for the 27.5 and the 26" fork so arch clearance is a bit tight with bigger tires.
    WT tires use the same casing as the regular Maxxis tire and just move the tread inboard a bit so it should fit fine if the regular tread Maxxis rubber is what you are running now.
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    Those big feet certainly make it look badass!!

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    Endo + Rotorua trails = match made in heaven.
    I've just spent three days down there while Crankworx was on, riding some of the best trails in the top half of NZ and I agree with KRobs sentiments about the bike. On the smoother flowy stuff (Split Enz, Eagle vs. Shark, for the locals) the bike felt planted yet nimble while pinning it, and on the rougher rootier stuff it ate it all up and I don't ever recall thinking "gee I wish I was still on the Warden". On one of the days Rockshox were running free shuttles and offering tuning advice, now I'm running three tokens in the fork (150mm Pike) and it feels well matched to the rear. I'm fairly happy with the Inline for now, but can't make up my mind whether to take advantage of CC's offer and do the trade-in for the newer DBAir IL or just put that cash towards a Coil IL.

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    I got to ride the Endo on dirt finally. There was a Transition Demo day going on at the park so I actually rode a Patrol and a Scout first then the Endo. It was interesting to have that many new bike experiences in one day.

    My main concern going in was the STA and getting the saddle in a position I found comfortable. Turns out that wasn't much of an issue on the trail. I did notice the new position, but I was able to get far enough back to be okay.

    Oddly enough I felt really cramped on the bike despite the 65mm stem and the front wheel felt really close to me when seated. The Endo is the same size seated as my existing bikes on paper, but riding it felt much much smaller. Weird. I suspect I need to swap frames to a large.

    The suspension at both ends was great. Makes me feel like I actually know what I am doing setting it up and not having to mess with it. I ran the shock in open most of the time and then tried 25% CS. Mostly did short punchy techy climbs and it felt fine either way. I was a bit worried that the 130mm back end might feel under-gunned, but so far so good. It felt plush, supportive and I didn't bottom out. Traction was excellent. The Pike worked as expected. I'm on a 160mm Pike now so not much change there.

    I won't talk about the handling yet as the ride wasn't long enough to collect enough data. No bad surprises so far though.

    The only issue I had was an odd ticking noise in the drivetrain under high loads. I'll check that everything is tight before the next ride. Running a Shimano 11 speed 46T cassette I didn't need the low gear at all. That's ideal as I can run a cog further in for a better chainline.

    My only other gripes was the Ergon grips were not as comfy as the model I use on my Mach 6 so I'll swap in some new ones. The current dropper only goes down 4" which is not enough, but I'll get a 9.8 unit soon.

    Given how long it normally takes me to dial in a bike this was a great first ride. I'll ponder the sizing issue and decide if I am going to get a bigger frame or not. Beyond that it's just a bit of tinkering here and there.
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    Nice looking build Vik! I am 5'7 on a medium-sized Warden and it fits me perfectly with a 50mm stem. I think you would probably fit better on a large with a shorter stem. FYI I have a 9.8 150mm dropper and it has been perfect. When are you planning on coming over to ride the shore?

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    Ya I'm not going to fight the fit. I figure get your bike setup right off the bat and then enjoy for years instead of trying to make something slightly off work and not love it. I've got a large Endo on order and I'll sell the medium when I get the parts moved over.

    If anyone wants a deal on a black medium Endo frame PM me. I'll give you a deal on top of the sale price. Only ridden on dirt once. No crashing.

    As for the shore I couldn't get anyone I ride with motivated to take time off during the week at the end of the month so my plan [such as it is] looks like this:

    24-27 April go bikepack on Orcas Island. I can grab the ferry right from work on my bike. I'll probably just do 2 days 1 night or 3 days 2 nights....depends on weather. https://freehubmag.com/articles/orcas-island

    28-30 April ride with a crew of Van Isle friends at Squamish [assuming trail conditions are reasonable]

    The bikepacking trip depends on the weather not being horrendous. I don't mind camping in a bit of rain, but if it's pissing down the whole time I'll reschedule.

    What are conditions like on the Shore at the moment?
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    You will be happier on the L for sure. Im still not sure how people are managing to comfortably ride when they 'size down' on these bikes with the new geometry.

    The Shore is surprisingly OK at the moment given all the rain. Only know about Seymour as I havent ventured up Fromme for awhile.

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    Fromme is really wet but no snow to the level of Expresso. Don't know how it is higher up, but Grouse got about 40 cm of snow during the weekend and as far as I know it was snowing from approximately half of the gondola ride.

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    Small update: this happened right after my previous post I live about 200 m from fromme trails
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    Still snow above 6th switchback on Fromme. Lower elevation trails on the shore are quite muddy but rideable right now. Haven't been up to Squamish this year yet but they still have a lot of snow up there. Hope things dry up before you head over here.

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    Oh man, that's a shame about the fit but I do think you're making the right move. Did you order black again??

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    I got to ride the Endo on dirt finally. There was a Transition Demo day going on at the park so I actually rode a Patrol and a Scout first then the Endo. It was interesting to have that many new bike experiences in one day.

    My main concern going in was the STA and getting the saddle in a position I found comfortable. Turns out that wasn't much of an issue on the trail. I did notice the new position, but I was able to get far enough back to be okay.

    Oddly enough I felt really cramped on the bike despite the 65mm stem and the front wheel felt really close to me when seated. The Endo is the same size seated as my existing bikes on paper, but riding it felt much much smaller. Weird. I suspect I need to swap frames to a large.

    The suspension at both ends was great. Makes me feel like I actually know what I am doing setting it up and not having to mess with it. I ran the shock in open most of the time and then tried 25% CS. Mostly did short punchy techy climbs and it felt fine either way. I was a bit worried that the 130mm back end might feel under-gunned, but so far so good. It felt plush, supportive and I didn't bottom out. Traction was excellent. The Pike worked as expected. I'm on a 160mm Pike now so not much change there.

    I won't talk about the handling yet as the ride wasn't long enough to collect enough data. No bad surprises so far though.

    The only issue I had was an odd ticking noise in the drivetrain under high loads. I'll check that everything is tight before the next ride. Running a Shimano 11 speed 46T cassette I didn't need the low gear at all. That's ideal as I can run a cog further in for a better chainline.

    My only other gripes was the Ergon grips were not as comfy as the model I use on my Mach 6 so I'll swap in some new ones. The current dropper only goes down 4" which is not enough, but I'll get a 9.8 unit soon.

    Given how long it normally takes me to dial in a bike this was a great first ride. I'll ponder the sizing issue and decide if I am going to get a bigger frame or not. Beyond that it's just a bit of tinkering here and there.
    Thanks for your first impressions of the bike. I have been on the fence for weeks now about ordering an Endorphin on line, no LBS availability where I live.

    What is your height and inseam (pants) measurements? I am concerned that an M will be too large for me and that I will be too far back on the saddle because I have relatively short legs for my height. I am also considering a Django or a Riot, as I think their M will put me in better peddling position.

    Your impression of the Endorphin is similar tommy experience on my L Heckler in that it fits okay. For descending and aggressive riding it is fine but for climbing the bike is a tad too big and I have been tweaking and fighting that aspect of the fit, ready to hang it up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skooks View Post
    Still snow above 6th switchback on Fromme. Lower elevation trails on the shore are quite muddy but rideable right now. Haven't been up to Squamish this year yet but they still have a lot of snow up there. Hope things dry up before you head over here.
    Worst case we'll go to Bellingham. Heard the trails there were in good shape. The Island is just drying out and after battling slop all winter we aren't paying for the ferry and gas to battle more if there is a better option close at hand!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjsb View Post
    What is your height and inseam (pants) measurements? I am concerned that an M will be too large for me and that I will be too far back on the saddle because I have relatively short legs for my height. I am also considering a Django or a Riot, as I think their M will put me in better peddling position.
    I'm 5'11" with a 33" pant's inseam - moderately long arms. I could ride the medium. It's not the cockpit size I would to see longer....it just feels like that front wheel is too close to me when seated....maybe because I am used to riding slacker longer travel bikes??? I'm not sure exactly why it feels like that. By the numbers the Endo is as long or longer than my existing bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    Oh man, that's a shame about the fit but I do think you're making the right move. Did you order black again??
    The fact the frames are on sale makes the process far less painful. I also tend to keep my bikes a long time so it's worth getting the fit sorted how I want it. I'll drop a couple hundred $$ off the sale price on the smaller frame and somebody will get an even better deal than the sale price.

    So the reason I got black was that my last bike looked like it was designed by the Blue Power Ranger. The black build ended up really dark so I decided on a raw frame this time around. I think it will meet my needs for not being too busy visually and still be a little brighter/more cheerful.

    We ride deep in the forest 95% of the time at home so I figured maybe I went a bit too dark with the black frame.

    I also got the new version of the Inline on the raw frame. I liked the CCBDA on the black frame so I'll see how the new Inline feels. If it's good I will keep the lighter shock and then get room for a water bottle inside the frame. If I don't love it I'll keep the CCDBA and sell the black frame with the Inline.

    Do you think there is a market for frames without a shock? I also thought of keeping both shocks and selling the black frame without one, but I don't know if that would limit the potential sales too much?
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    in the boutique realm i feel ppl customize their bikes alot more and may end up swapping shocks anyway. so yes, i feel there is a market within our realm. Might have to sell it for 800-900 maybe which is a great deal.

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    Hey V,

    Sure would like to hear your thoughts on the Endo's rear suspension handles the punchy, steep climbs vs the M6. Of course it wouldn't be an apples to apples comparison given the difference in travel but would still like to hear about it.

    Riders talk a lot about the traction afforded by a design like Knolly's. I've had FSRs and when the going get's steep and the bike squashes well beyond sag there was just not enough anti-squat for my style on the super steep, hammer out of the saddle, techie climbs. Well, at least compared to a higher AS design like that on the M6. Yeah, its a trade off in terms of maybe loosing some traction with the higher AS, but getting quick power to that rear wheel is what I find most important with climbs.

    On the other hand the Endo does have less travel (which will keep it closer to sag, and thus higher AS, on the steep climbs) and if the shock is dialed in with enough LSC... it all might come together just right.


    And BTW, raw would be my first choice. Black is always good (my M6 is black), trans red is incredible, but chips, and looks junky after a few miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    Hey V,

    Sure would like to hear your thoughts on the Endo's rear suspension handles the punchy, steep climbs vs the M6.
    I'll definitely chime in once I have more time on the bike. Part of the reason I got the Endo vs. a Warden was because I figured there was less risk of me not liking the lower AS design on a shorter travel bike. Another reason is that I wanted to see what lower AS was like on a [relatively] low cost frame. That way if I didn't like it the pain to get rid of it would be low.

    On my urban assault riding I noticed the suspension movement more than I did on the trail. Once riding dirt I left the shock open for a lot of the ride and didn't feel anything negative in terms of energy loss, but it's too early to really call that. When I am pushing the pace to keep up with someone faster in steep techy terrain after 3hrs on the saddle that's when I'll know what's what.

    One benefit of the Endo is I have a much more tuneable shock on it vs. the M6. So there is a lot more potential to find a setup that works well for our local trails. That said the Float X on the M6 worked so well I've never been motivated to upgrade it.

    Somebody asked me recently what I was trying to improve over the M6 with the Endo and the truth is nothing. The M6 is darn near perfect for me, but I ride enough that after 3yrs I'm just keen on a different feel on all these trails I ride regularly.

    The black ano is sweet and if I hadn't wanted the bigger frame I wouldn't have given it a second thought. But, ya the raw will be very nice as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    I ditched the 50mm stem it was too short on a medium frame. Probably would be great on a large. I am now running a 65mm stem. Pushed the saddle as far back as I can on my setback dropper and it's still not as far back from the BB as I would like it to be. I'm hopeful that I get used to it, but it could be a deal breaker. *fingers crossed*

    Standing the bike feels pretty good. Definitely not too small.
    So I cut down the 785mm bars to ~740mm. Trying to get the uber wide bars around/through the trees got old quick. I run 720mm bars on my other bikes so the Endo is a bit wider.

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/ews-rd...wide-2017.html

    The super wide bar thing may be over anyways with the lots of pros cutting down their wide bars and still rocking crazy fast times. Luckily I saved my sub-700mm bars.



    I'm swapping in a set of these ^^^ Ergon grips. I run a ton of different Ergon models on my various bikes. It's funny how I love one model on a particular bike and then on a different bike my hands want a totally different model. These are the same grip I run on my Mach 6. One thing that is nice about them is without a clamp on the end you get to use the full width of the bars while still running a narrower bar.

    I'll probably go back to the 50mm stem when I get the large Endo frame in and see how I like it.
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    I recently went to a inline coil on the Endorphin which is very active. On the logging roads the climb switch has to be on or I can feel the wallowing. I have a Fox DPS and felt as though it was hanging up when pedaling over roots and rocks, the coil does not. The CS firms things up nicely, and with the coil it still soaks up small bumps OK. If I were climbing a smooth trail, I would probably use the CS, but we don't have much smooth climbing, so on the trail I leave it open. I have a Warden with a CCDBA CS, and it is better on the really steep and chunky trails, especially the very rough. No real substitution for travel in the right circumstances. On the trail I never notice any wallowing, it just pedals well, as good as my last bike a DW Turner 5 Spot. Even though the BB heights are within 2mm, with both at 30% sag the Warden gets the occasional pedal strike, while the Endo does not. Both climb well, and have loads of traction, but on the Endorphin, when I'm on my game, I can get up anything that is remotely possible.

    I think Vik notices differences better than I do and I look forward to his comparo of 4X vs DW. I did demo a M6 a few years back, and thought it pedaled well, and soaked up trail chatter better than my 5 Spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    I recently went to a inline coil on the Endorphin which is very active.
    Travis how would you compare the "poppiness" of the coil vs. an air shock when jumping off small features?
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    I haven't really noticed a difference in that, but the IL Coil, like all CC shocks is very tunable. Probably would have got another DBA, but I would have to ditch the tool keg. I can put 600ml of water in the keg + 1l in my shorts pocket.
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    Hey vik, I've been thinking about you on my last several rides and worrying that the medium would be too small. My large feels shorter and smaller the more I ride it lately for some reason. Despite my recommendations in my first full write up for the Endorphin over a year ago and in various posts here on the knolly forum for 5' 10"- 5' 11" riders with shorter legs to consider sizing down, I'm not so sure I would still recommend that.

    Sounds like you figured that out on your own. Hope the Large fits you better and still allows you to get positioned over the rear wheel more like you prefer.

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    Ha! No worries Krob. Not your fault at all. I rode my GF's medium Warden around the hood and it felt fine. The Medium Endo actually fits fine for me with setback post, but the front wheel feels too close. Maybe it's the shorter fork and steeper HTA. By the numbers the medium Endo should be great, but the whole time I was riding it in the dirt my brain wanted to be further away from the front wheel.

    Anyways it's not a big deal. I'm happy to swap frames. I get to try out another shock I've never used so that's cool.

    I also get to see how I like a longer bike. The large Endo will be ~1.5" longer in WB than my M6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I'll definitely chime in once I have more time on the bike. Part of the reason I got the Endo vs. a Warden was because I figured there was less risk of me not liking the lower AS design on a shorter travel bike. Another reason is that I wanted to see what lower AS was like on a [relatively] low cost frame. That way if I didn't like it the pain to get rid of it would be low.

    On my urban assault riding I noticed the suspension movement more than I did on the trail. Once riding dirt I left the shock open for a lot of the ride and didn't feel anything negative in terms of energy loss, but it's too early to really call that. When I am pushing the pace to keep up with someone faster in steep techy terrain after 3hrs on the saddle that's when I'll know what's what.

    One benefit of the Endo is I have a much more tuneable shock on it vs. the M6. So there is a lot more potential to find a setup that works well for our local trails. That said the Float X on the M6 worked so well I've never been motivated to upgrade it.

    Somebody asked me recently what I was trying to improve over the M6 with the Endo and the truth is nothing. The M6 is darn near perfect for me, but I ride enough that after 3yrs I'm just keen on a different feel on all these trails I ride regularly.

    The black ano is sweet and if I hadn't wanted the bigger frame I wouldn't have given it a second thought. But, ya the raw will be very nice as well.
    Cool. Keep us posted.

    As for the M6... I've had a few of the Float Xs die on me. Worked it out with Pivot and ended up with an X2. The stock Float X was ok. The PUSU'd version was very good. But this X2 is a huge upgrade. I'm really surprised as to how much better this shock is.

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    I put the medium Endo for sale on Pinkbike:

    https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2161403/

    If any MTBR member wants it I will do free shipping in North America. New cost for that frame/shock was $1545USD + tax + shipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Ha! No worries Krob. Not your fault at all. I rode my GF's medium Warden around the hood and it felt fine. The Medium Endo actually fits fine for me with setback post, but the front wheel feels too close. Maybe it's the shorter fork and steeper HTA. By the numbers the medium Endo should be great, but the whole time I was riding it in the dirt my brain wanted to be further away from the front wheel.

    Anyways it's not a big deal. I'm happy to swap frames. I get to try out another shock I've never used so that's cool.

    I also get to see how I like a longer bike. The large Endo will be ~1.5" longer in WB than my M6.
    Yeah, you won't have that tucked in front wheel feeling with the large. It's a long bike. Almost 29er like in some ways...... although like I said, the more I ride it the more compact it feels. Maybe you just need to ride the medium more and it will grow on you (see what I did there? )
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Yeah, you won't have that tucked in front wheel feeling with the large. It's a long bike. Almost 29er like in some ways...... although like I said, the more I ride it the more compact it feels. Maybe you just need to ride the medium more and it will grow on you (see what I did there? )
    Ha! Maybe I'll keep both sizes of Endo and just swap parts when I am feeling the desire for a slightly different ride/shock.

    The bike length thing is all relative....the GG Trail Pistol medium has a WB almost an inch longer than the large Endo.
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    Feeling RAW. Part swap underway today and tomorrow.



    The folks at Knolly went out of their way to get me the new frame as conveniently as possible. Thanks. Great customer service. It was much appreciated.
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    Some gratuitous bare frame porn. I remembered to snap some pics before I built up the new Endo this time.

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    Love the raw. Looks great and you never have to worry about scratching the paint!

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    the black finish is super durable. that raw is sweet and the new shock looks great

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Ha! Maybe I'll keep both sizes of Endo and just swap parts when I am feeling the desire for a slightly different ride/shock.

    The bike length thing is all relative....the GG Trail Pistol medium has a WB almost an inch longer than the large Endo.
    Hmm. Now that you mention it, it was after my ride on the Trail Pistol that my bike started feeling more compact. 😏 Everything is relative I guess.

    The raw frame looks good and still looks good 1 1/2 years later. I'm really liking mine.

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    Good call on getting the Large frame. Makes sense to get a bike you are happy with and then keep it for a long time, especially one that lasts as well as a Knolly. My thinking is that if I need to run a stem longer than 50mm or bar narrower than 750mm in order to be comfortable, then the bike is the wrong size/geometry for me. I am 5'7" and the size Medium Warden fits me perfectly.

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    I think you'll be comfortable on this one. Looking foreward to hearing your thoughts.
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