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    Gravel Bike? Knolly Cache!

    Didn't expect this from Knolly:

    https://bikerumor.com/2018/08/20/cra...m-gravel-bike/

    I'm sorta looking for a bike to replace my Hakkalugi.. this could be it.

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    Do we know if this is a 2020 model?

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    Quote Originally Posted by islander View Post
    Do we know if this is a 2020 model?
    These are in production and coming end of first quarter in 2019!

    More details around the end of January / early Feb

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    This looks like a bad ass CX frame......what is the country of origin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life View Post
    This looks like a bad ass CX frame......what is the country of origin?
    Canada? Or do the Canadians outsource everything too?

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    '04 Knolly VTach | '15 Knolly Podium | '16 Knolly Delirium | Knolly Warden

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    I dropped by Knolly HQ the other day and have to say it is a really nice looking frame. The tapered and butted seat tube is a thing of beauty. And those Ti welds. Beautiful full pen that can just be seen on the inside of the headtube junctions.

    A gravel bike isnt for everyone, but those that get one of these will have lots to be proud of.

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    Wow I need this. Was looking to replace my
    China carbon gravel frame with something titanium and this came out just in time! Now, the only real question is what fork to get? Anyone compared the Fox AX to the MRP Baxter thatís offered here with the builds? Iíve never considered a suspension fork for a gravel bike before but with my bad shoulders Iím thinking a little extra cushion might be a welcome thing.

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    ^^^ change for a nickel?

    Looking at a cache for a bikepacking rig. Anyone found any pics/builds yet? They have one pic on the knolly site with bags, etc.

    Only slight gripe is kind of limited tire options. Wish you could go a hair larger to smooth out the ride.

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    Noel - Do you know when these will be stock?

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    So when I fork over $3,000 bucks for a frame is it gonna say backordered or are they shipping?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wacha Wacha Wacha View Post
    So when I fork over $3,000 bucks for a frame is it gonna say backordered or are they shipping?


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    Give them a call! The beautiful thing about Knolly is you can call them and get answers to all your questions. Sometimes from the man himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd View Post
    The beautiful thing about Knolly...
    is their bikes

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    Anyone got a Cache yet?

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    Their largest size has been sold out for a while..

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    I spoke with the guys at Knolly today and they have received the larger sized frames and shipped the first ones out today.

    I ordered a 58 and I would expect everything larger than that in stock ( unless already sold out).


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    Look what showed up today!! Super stoked!










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    Sweet. How's the build quality? Did you get the complete build from them or just the frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvestri View Post
    Sweet. How's the build quality? Did you get the complete build from them or just the frame?
    Iíll preface this with ďthis is my first Ti bike and my second KnollyĒ.

    Welds look amazing - like a roll of quarters. Finish is a scotch-bride pad and looks really nice. If you know anything about Knolly - you know the build quality is excellent. If you donít know Knolly, the build qualities on their bikes are excellent. The bottom bracket area is really unique, especially at the bridge by the stays. The seat tube is pretty awesome. I like the 1-off headbadge too.

    I ordered the frame. Iíll be building it once the rest of my parts come in. Iíll post photos soon.

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    Grats! I'm waiting for the 62cm with GRX kit.. It'll be my third Knolly after first- and second-gen 26" Endorphins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wacha Wacha Wacha View Post
    Look what showed up today!! Super stoked!










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    Can't wait to see the more pics! How tall are you? I'm 184 cms but 58 cms size seems a big compared to the geometry of my actual 56 cm Specialized Diverge.

    What a beauty! Enjoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by rheelo View Post
    Can't wait to see the more pics! How tall are you? I'm 184 cms but 58 cms size seems a big compared to the geometry of my actual 56 cm Specialized Diverge.

    What a beauty! Enjoy
    Iím 6í -0Ē with a 31í or 32Ē inseam. Knolly said the 58cm will be perfect. The geo matches my daily commuter almost exactly so it should be a good fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wacha Wacha Wacha View Post
    Iím 6í -0Ē with a 31í or 32Ē inseam. Knolly said the 58cm will be perfect. The geo matches my daily commuter almost exactly so it should be a good fit.
    With a 70 or 80 mm stem seems a match, true. The stack looks more comfortable, this means less neck pain after step descents and this is so good. It's just what amb looking for.

    Do you know the weight of the frame?

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by rheelo View Post
    Do you know the weight of the frame?
    Am traveling right now but will get you something mid next week. I plan on running a 100mm stem.

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    Flat Bar Cache Build

    58cm for 6í-0Ē with 31.5Ē inseam. (Fit is spot on.)

    Knolly Carbon Fork (Knolly cut me a deal on the fork with purchase of the frame)
    Chris King Inset 2 (still playing with the spacers)
    Ritchey Superlogic Carbon Stem (100mm)
    Ritchey Superlogic Carbon Bar
    ODI TLD Lock-On Grips
    Shimano Saint Levers paired with Shimano Ultegra Flat-Mount Calipers
    Hope Rotors (both 160mm)
    Wheels hand-built by Daveís Wheels in Arizona:
    Hope Pro 4 Hubs
    Velocity Aileron hoops
    Sapim Stuff
    Schwalbe Marathon Plus Tour 35mm
    Shimano XTR 10 sp Shifter with a 11-25 Durace cassette
    Shimano XTR Derailleur
    Ritchey Superlogic Carbon Seatpost with a Brooks saddle
    Tubus Airy Rack (note: had to purchase the 300mm stays as the Ti package ones were not long enough)
    Hope 175mm Crankset with a 36t chainring
    Hope Bottom Bracket
    XT Pedals

    A note about brakes: I tried to reuse some Hope E4ís (post-mount). I bought two adapters and swapped between rotor sizes (140 and 160) and could not get the rear caliper mounted. There is not enough room between the seat stay and the caliper BOLT to fit. I do not think any post-mount caliper will work because the seat stay collides with the caliper bolt.

    So far, the flat mount caliper seems to work ok with the mountain lever. I am getting enough stopping power but I plan on running these for a week and then bleeding again to make sure I got all the air bubbles out as there is a little spongy-ness (Iíve never used Shimano brakes though).

    I spoke with Hope about pairing their RX4 with mountain levers and they told me it would not work because there is not enough fluid displacement in mountain levers for the flat mount caliper to work. The Shimano products seem to work fine. (Also, Knolly told me they have mixed/matched with SRAM as well.)

    Pictures coming soon. The photos on Knollyís website are just not good (maybe itís the drop bars, I dunno). I mean this bike is simply stunning and totally badass looking.

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    Hereís a teaser...

    This is me building it but the internetís at my office is awful today so...

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    The fenders are Portland Design Works. I did not try to fit the front fender yet but the rear one fits great. Iíll try the front fender later and post a note.

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    Nice commuter!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rheelo View Post
    Nice commuter!!
    Thanks!

    A question out there that probably needs to go in a different thread, but because itís related to the Cache build, Iíll give it a go here first.

    Iíve got a Dura-Ace 11-25 cassette and a XTR derailleur but the B-screw wonít get the top pulley close enough to the 25 cog. Anyone dealt with this before?

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    How would the Cache do as a road bike? Would be taking it on some group rides with a local club and also use it as a gravel commuter.. would it do well double duty, or should i look at a carbon Open U.P or Hakka MX?

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    New Cache build

    Here is my wifes new Cache build. Worked the with team over at Over The Edge Hurricane to put this build together. Here are some of the highlights:

    Cache TI 49.5 Frame
    SRAM AXS Eagle drivetrain with AXS Force shifters
    Derby CX rims laced to Chris King hubs
    MRP Baxter Fork
    Enve Gravel drop bars
    9point8 FalllineR 140mm drop.
    Wolftooth gravel bike dropper remote

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silvestri View Post
    How would the Cache do as a road bike? Would be taking it on some group rides with a local club and also use it as a gravel commuter.. would it do well double duty, or should i look at a carbon Open U.P or Hakka MX?
    Hello Silvestri!

    Sorry for the very late reply to this question: I have not been on MTBR much recently.

    The Cache can easily do double duty as a road bike for sure! The back half of the bike is essentially an endurance road bike with additional tire clearance (and hence a chainstay length that is a few mm longer) and of course features required for touring (i.e. rack and fender mounts and 3rd water bottle mount). The frame has an overall forward centric riding position which is comfortable for long days in the saddle and lends it the ability to track precisely and manage surprisingly technical terrain. You will give up a small amount of "smashing it out of the saddle" climbing given the longer front centre and short stems, but that's about it. Seated climbing is actually quite efficient due to the 74 degree seat tube angle.

    But there are a few things that you should be aware of, number one being the relatively low BB height. Now, this won't be a problem if you're doing group rides and commuting: it would only come up in a situation like a crit where pedal clearance when cornering would be a concern. The flip side is that the BB height is a key part of the bike's overall stability and it is SOLID and planted all of the time.

    The other consideration is your wheelset and tires. We've had customers who have done what you are asking about: essentially using the Cache as a gravel racer and commuter but also as a training bike or an endurance road bike for a Fondo type event. The key point is tires for sure and anyone who is serious about riding it quickly on the road will end up going to probably a 32mm or even 28mm road tire. One customer that we know tried 32mm road tires and still found them a bit slow (their comment), so switched to 28mm road tires and is much happier. The BB height is low as stated above, but as long as you're not pedaling while cornering hard, it's not an issue. This might mean that you want either a good "do it all" wheelset or perhaps two wheelsets. Anyone following road riding knows that 28mm tires are currently the new "25mm tires of yesteryear" and rim widths are increasing to the 19-21mm internal width range. Gravel bikes in particular are moving into 23 - 24mm internal rim widths and this is probably too wide for a 28mm road tire. So, a 21-22mm rim might be a good combination for anything from a 28mm road tire to a 40mm gravel tire.

    Please let us know if you have any other questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTBMarkWa View Post
    Here is my wifes new Cache build. Worked the with team over at Over The Edge Hurricane to put this build together. Here are some of the highlights:

    Cache TI 49.5 Frame
    SRAM AXS Eagle drivetrain with AXS Force shifters
    Derby CX rims laced to Chris King hubs
    MRP Baxter Fork
    Enve Gravel drop bars
    9point8 FalllineR 140mm drop.
    Wolftooth gravel bike dropper remote

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    Quentin @ OTE HU filled me on this build - looks awesome!

    How is your wife liking it?

    Cheers!
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    Holy Knolly!
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    Steel cache is up for pre-order, anyone know when they're supposed to ship?

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    Some pics, more to come. Sadly, I haven't touched my trail bike in two weeks; this bike is just tooooo sweet
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    What does it weigh? Interesting that you built it with a straight bar.

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    The bike is 22.x lbs. My boss setup his commuter last year with a flat bar setup, and I loved it. Never being a "road guy," I've struggled being comfortable on drops, so I opted for a bar with a heavier backsweep (12 degree), though I now want to try one with more sweep. This bike rips SO hard on bike paths, and feels like jet on fast/tight valley trail singletrack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenngineer View Post
    Steel cache is up for pre-order, anyone know when they're supposed to ship?
    Hi All:

    Firstly, great to start to see Cache pics on this thread: we're super stoked on this bike and expect to start shipping quite a few of them now that we will have the steel version available shortly. That you for all of you who have given positive ride reports on this bike:

    nixgame22
    This bike rips SO hard on bike paths, and feels like jet on fast/tight valley trail singletrack.
    This is bang on with our view of the Cache as well - thank you!


    I'm in Taiwan next week to finalize the production timeline on this frame. The Steel Cache frames are through welding and paint pre-treatment (ED rust inhibition coating): they are currently being painted and we expect them to start shipping around the end of October.

    Don't forget the fork! It's a phenomenally well riding fork and both strong and lightweight too!

    Also - if your budget allows, we have most sizes of Titanium Cache frames in stock for the ultimate ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wacha Wacha Wacha View Post
    Flat Bar Cache Build

    58cm for 6í-0Ē with 31.5Ē inseam. (Fit is spot on.)

    Knolly Carbon Fork (Knolly cut me a deal on the fork with purchase of the frame)
    Chris King Inset 2 (still playing with the spacers)
    Ritchey Superlogic Carbon Stem (100mm)
    Ritchey Superlogic Carbon Bar
    ODI TLD Lock-On Grips
    Shimano Saint Levers paired with Shimano Ultegra Flat-Mount Calipers
    Hope Rotors (both 160mm)
    Wheels hand-built by Daveís Wheels in Arizona:
    Hope Pro 4 Hubs
    Velocity Aileron hoops
    Sapim Stuff
    Schwalbe Marathon Plus Tour 35mm
    Shimano XTR 10 sp Shifter with a 11-25 Durace cassette
    Shimano XTR Derailleur
    Ritchey Superlogic Carbon Seatpost with a Brooks saddle
    Tubus Airy Rack (note: had to purchase the 300mm stays as the Ti package ones were not long enough)
    Hope 175mm Crankset with a 36t chainring
    Hope Bottom Bracket
    XT Pedals

    A note about brakes: I tried to reuse some Hope E4ís (post-mount). I bought two adapters and swapped between rotor sizes (140 and 160) and could not get the rear caliper mounted. There is not enough room between the seat stay and the caliper BOLT to fit. I do not think any post-mount caliper will work because the seat stay collides with the caliper bolt.

    So far, the flat mount caliper seems to work ok with the mountain lever. I am getting enough stopping power but I plan on running these for a week and then bleeding again to make sure I got all the air bubbles out as there is a little spongy-ness (Iíve never used Shimano brakes though).

    I spoke with Hope about pairing their RX4 with mountain levers and they told me it would not work because there is not enough fluid displacement in mountain levers for the flat mount caliper to work. The Shimano products seem to work fine. (Also, Knolly told me they have mixed/matched with SRAM as well.)

    Pictures coming soon. The photos on Knollyís website are just not good (maybe itís the drop bars, I dunno). I mean this bike is simply stunning and totally badass looking.
    How did you go with the saint levers and ultegra flat mounts? Or is there another lever that works well with flat mount brakes like the road ones or grx?
    Iím looking to build my cache with flat bars too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealPhotos View Post
    How did you go with the saint levers and ultegra flat mounts? Or is there another lever that works well with flat mount brakes like the road ones or grx?
    Iím looking to build my cache with flat bars too.
    Aesthetics only. I wanted it to feel like a mountain bike, even though Iím commuting (well, because Iím commuting...). I love it.

    I wanted to go with Tech 3s and Rx calipers but Hope said there wasnít enough throw in the lever. However, after researching more I bet it would work fine.

    I posted this post because I knew it would come up again. You will need the caliper adapters from Shimano if you exceed the rotor size.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wacha Wacha Wacha View Post
    Aesthetics only. I wanted it to feel like a mountain bike, even though Iím commuting (well, because Iím commuting...). I love it.

    I wanted to go with Tech 3s and Rx calipers but Hope said there wasnít enough throw in the lever. However, after researching more I bet it would work fine.

    I posted this post because I knew it would come up again. You will need the caliper adapters from Shimano if you exceed the rotor size.


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    If you have questions on flat bar builds, please let us know. We have very recently started working out both 1 x 11 (40T w/ 11-42T cassette) and 2 x 11 flat bar build kits with GRX 810 / XT and GRX 600 / SLX level components with Shimano and are now ready to move forward with them. This ensures proper compatibility across all components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knollybikes.com View Post
    If you have questions on flat bar builds, please let us know. We have very recently started working out both 1 x 11 (40T w/ 11-42T cassette) and 2 x 11 flat bar build kits with GRX 810 / XT and GRX 600 / SLX level components with Shimano and are now ready to move forward with them. This ensures proper compatibility across all components.

    Cheers!
    It would be really handy to list the components if possible for 1X GRX/SLX build.
    Iím assuming you use GRX calipers and crankset with SLX shifters and levers.
    Rear derailleur would depend on choice of cassette?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealPhotos View Post
    It would be really handy to list the components if possible for 1X GRX/SLX build.
    Iím assuming you use GRX calipers and crankset with SLX shifters and levers.
    Rear derailleur would depend on choice of cassette?
    That is essentially correct. For a GRX 600 / SLX build, the components would be:

    • RD: GRX810
    • FD: GRX810
    • Crank: GRX600 172.5mm 46-30T
    • Chain: HG601-11
    • Cass: HG700 11-34T
    • Brake levers: M7100 SLX L & R
    • Brake Calipers: GRX400
    • Shifters: SL-RS700 2x11 (Shimano Road 105)
    • Rotors: SM-RT64 160 / 140mm
    • Wheelset: Shimano RS370


    1 x 11 builds would run a 40T single ring crank, 11-42T cassette and matching shifter / rear derailleur.

    Cheers!

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    Surprised there aren't more reviews out there for this frame considering how many articles went up when it was announced/launched. So far I haven't found any in depth / long term reviews or bike shootouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notsendy View Post
    Surprised there aren't more reviews out there for this frame considering how many articles went up when it was announced/launched. So far I haven't found any in depth / long term reviews or bike shootouts.
    Steel Caches have been just getting on the market the past month, so expect to see content for them in the not too distant future. Ti Caches have been out since July last year, but obviously due to their cost, are much more rare than the steel versions.

    Also, there is a good chance that many Cache customers are not really aware of MTBR

    Please let me know if we can answer any questions for you.

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    Starting new Cache build

    I just received my Cache frameset from Knolly and I'm going thru the parts selection process. Very excited about this bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkrawec View Post
    I just received my Cache frameset from Knolly and I'm going thru the parts selection process. Very excited about this bike.
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    Thanks for the update. Will there be some Cache's available for demo at Sea Otter? That is, assuming Sea Otter is still on this year...

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    build update

    My build so far:

    I've got a size 54 frame (I'm 5'8) and I'll start out with a 70mm stem.

    seat post is a 125mm bike yoke revive. I could have fit a 160 I think but I figured 125mm would give me enough drop on this bike and I'll save a little weight.

    Bottom bracket is wheels mfg.

    My drivetrain is Shimano GRX 1X.

    Still deciding on crankset and wheels

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    Congrats and thank you!

    Let us know if you have any questions! super sweet looking starting build kit for that bike! Lots of great wheel options out there of course for these bikes: Zipp, I9, Easton, DT Swiss, etc... Just depends upon $$$ and intended use

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    Super close to ordering one of these up, just in limbo with the current state of things and not sure how work is going to shake out over the next few months...

    After reading the Radavist review it has me second guessing the size. At 6' 33" inseam I was planning on a 58, but after reading the review and hearing Noel rides a 60 I am trying to figure it out. Haven't ridden much dropbar over the last 20 years or so, and it would be used for days when trails are wet but gravel is fine, 50-100 mile rides, some mixed pavement, only singletrack would be easy short loops along routes, nothing too technical. Would it be go to 60 if it was more technical riding to get a wider bar and shorter stem, and go 58 for more long days grinding out gravel?

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    I just read the Radavist review... my wallet is very scared right now. Would love to be able to demo one at some point. Here's hoping Sea Otter goes this October and that there will be a few Caches in the wings!

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    have any of you guys been out riding the cache? How is it?? Love to hear opinion on how the *new to road bike* forward geometry feels on road rides.

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    Also really interested to hear a review of any sort. Especially the steel Cache. I want to pull the trigger but having some hang-ups. Haven't been on a steel bike in like 10+ years. I know this bike must be rad for steel because it's a Knolly.

    I have a Knolly Warden C for MTB and a carbon Giant Road bike right now. Really never thought I would go back to a steel bike....but here we are. I'm not a dentist so the Ti Cache just ain't happening.

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    I'm also in the market for a gravel bike--the GRX 600 Steel Cache is high on my list, but since I can't see it in person, I'm hoping for more info as well.

    Anyone know the general built weights of these bikes?
    Anyone know if they are offering 1X builds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejj View Post
    I'm also in the market for a gravel bike--the GRX 600 Steel Cache is high on my list, but since I can't see it in person, I'm hoping for more info as well.

    Anyone know the general built weights of these bikes?
    Anyone know if they are offering 1X builds?
    I recently finished building my cache. I donít think Knolly has started offering any 1X builds. Their GRX 2X builds seem like good values but I like picking my parts. I went GRX 1X with the 812 derailleur. I wanted a wide gear range so bought the Garbaruk 11-48T cassette and their extended derailleur cage. Iím really happy with the shifting. Iíve heard that the GRX 812 derailleur will clear 46T cassettes without any modifications. Very happy with the bike and love the geometry. Iím still dialing in the cockpit and may shorten the stem from 70 to 50-60mm. Sizing threw me off initially. At 5í8Ē I would normally go with a 52/53 frame. After speaking with some folks at knolly the said 54 or even 56 on the cache. When I compared the reach for a 54 and my medium mountain bike 54 was just right. My bike weighs 20.25 lbs with a dropper post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mkrawec View Post
    I recently finished building my cache. I donít think Knolly has started offering any 1X builds. Their GRX 2X builds seem like good values but I like picking my parts. I went GRX 1X with the 812 derailleur. I wanted a wide gear range so bought the Garbaruk 11-48T cassette and their extended derailleur cage. Iím really happy with the shifting. Iíve heard that the GRX 812 derailleur will clear 46T cassettes without any modifications. Very happy with the bike and love the geometry. Iím still dialing in the cockpit and may shorten the stem from 70 to 50-60mm. Sizing threw me off initially. At 5í8Ē I would normally go with a 52/53 frame. After speaking with some folks at knolly the said 54 or even 56 on the cache. When I compared the reach for a 54 and my medium mountain bike 54 was just right. My bike weighs 20.25 lbs with a dropper post.



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    Hey sherwin24:

    Sorry for the late reply here - to say we have been slammed would be an understatement.

    My guess for your size would be a 58cm. We make these bikes in 7 sizes as you're aware so fitment can be quite precise: the 60 really starts to come into it's own around the 6'1" - 6'2" height range. For 5'11 and 6'0"s on the nose, I would tend towards the 58cm.

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    Hey All!

    Sorry for being absent on MTBR - we are crazy crazy busy with Covid, international shipping being very messy and obviously the Warden release.

    However: Re: Caches: interest in this bike is through the roof right now, especially the steel version. We're shocked actually at how quickly they are selling. I don't think it will come as a surprise that customers are LOVING this bike. Obviously I'm biased, but I think our reputation can support that comment

    A few notes:

    We're selling through popular colours and sizes quickly: in Ti we are sold out of 60 and 62.5cm frames and down to literally onesie - twosies in the smallest sizes (49.5 and 52cm). We are - oddly - somewhat overstocked on 54cm and 56cm Ti Caches, so if that is your size and in your budget, please call: we can be a bit flexible on pricing on these two frame sizes (it's still a high end titanium frame so don't expect it for steel pricing!), but ONLY in Titanium and ONLY in these two sizes.

    Re steel: all sizes currently in stock but moving super quickly and especially the smallest and largest sizes are getting very thin. If you're seriously interested, I would suggest pulling the trigger because we're for sure going to be out of stock on the most popular SKUs very quickly and probably for at least a couple of months once we run out. We'll be mid / late summer realistically to refresh these SKUs.

    Re: Build kits:
    Stock kits are:
    • GRX 600 2 x 11
    • GRX 810 2 x 11


    We do however also have options for GRX 600 1 x 11.

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    Excited to build up my new steel cacheówhat tire sizes are folks running for 700c? Curious if I can fit a 47c teravail rutland or schwalbe 50c g-one ultrabite on there. 25mm internal rim width.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantdog View Post
    Excited to build up my new steel cacheówhat tire sizes are folks running for 700c? Curious if I can fit a 47c teravail rutland or schwalbe 50c g-one ultrabite on there. 25mm internal rim width.
    I'm running gravel king SK tires in 700x43 on 23 ID rims and have a little less than 10mm clearance front and rear. My measurements are pretty crude but it seems like the 47 will fit but I don't know if i'd want to go much beyond 45 in muddy conditions.
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    Got a few good rides on my Ti Cache, awesome bike.






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    Quote Originally Posted by RSAmerica View Post
    Got a few good rides on my Ti Cache, awesome bike.
    Beautiful! Are those 47 or 42c rutlands?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantdog View Post
    Beautiful! Are those 47 or 42c rutlands?
    Thanks, I am running 700x47 Teravail Rutlands on We Are One Revive Carbon rims (25mm wide), plenty of clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherwin24 View Post
    Super close to ordering one of these up, just in limbo with the current state of things and not sure how work is going to shake out over the next few months...

    After reading the Radavist review it has me second guessing the size. At 6' 33" inseam I was planning on a 58, but after reading the review and hearing Noel rides a 60 I am trying to figure it out. Haven't ridden much dropbar over the last 20 years or so, and it would be used for days when trails are wet but gravel is fine, 50-100 mile rides, some mixed pavement, only singletrack would be easy short loops along routes, nothing too technical. Would it be go to 60 if it was more technical riding to get a wider bar and shorter stem, and go 58 for more long days grinding out gravel?
    It's been a few months, but did you end up figuring out a size and getting the bike? I'm 5'11" with a 33" inseam and I was debating between the 56cm and 58cm instead of the 58 and 60 cm. My current gravel bike has 8mm less reach than the 56, and 12mm less reach than the 58. Hard to tell which makes more sense given the "short" stem intent as you pointed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakalolochelu View Post
    It's been a few months, but did you end up figuring out a size and getting the bike? I'm 5'11" with a 33" inseam and I was debating between the 56cm and 58cm instead of the 58 and 60 cm. My current gravel bike has 8mm less reach than the 56, and 12mm less reach than the 58. Hard to tell which makes more sense given the "short" stem intent as you pointed out.
    Hi pakalolochelu:

    Almost certainly the 58cm will be the correct fit. We typically find that the 56cm best fits riders in the 5'8" through 5'10" height range and the 58 in the 5'10 - 6'0" height range. You can check out our Fit Finder here: https://www.knollybikes.com/ticache
    This is assuming that your body is "fairly normal", which is sounds like it is.

    Feel free to contact us if you want more detail.

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    I'm in a similar predicament as pakalolochelu but I'm riiight at the edge of the sizing guidelines for 56 and 58: 5'10.5" (~179 cm) with 31.5" (~80 cm) inseam. Is there a recommendation to go one way or the other in this situation or is it just preference? Unfortunately, I don't have another road-ish bike to compare with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notsendy View Post
    I'm in a similar predicament as pakalolochelu but I'm riiight at the edge of the sizing guidelines for 56 and 58: 5'10.5" (~179 cm) with 31.5" (~80 cm) inseam. Is there a recommendation to go one way or the other in this situation or is it just preference? Unfortunately, I don't have another road-ish bike to compare with.
    Hi notsendy:

    My gut feel would to also go with the 58cm frame: I suspect (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that you're torso length is a bit longer than average. if you compare your measurements to the poster above, you are both very similar in height (5'10.5" and 5'11") but apparently have 1.5" difference in inseam length which is substantial. Inseam length correlates to approximate half of your height: i.e. a 1" difference in height typically translates to around a 0.5" difference in inseam length.

    The Cache frames have lots of standover, so we like to fit them (as much as possible) by length, even though they use typical "Road Seat Tube Lengths" for frame sizing. If you're on the cusp of a 56cm and 58cm frame and are slightly longer than average in the torso, then you'll probably be more comfortable on the longer frame.

    That being said, we're chatting on an MTB forum so take my comments with a bit of salt. They are based on fitting many customers on these frames but each person is unique: hence why we offer 7 (!) frame sizes for this bike. If what I just wrote sounds "right" to you, let me know: if not, let's discuss more in detail.

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    What Noel says makes a lot of sense bike fit wise between you and I given our heights and inseam. You probably feel more comfortable with a longer reach than I do since your torso/arm combination allows for it. I'd even bet I end up with a shorter stem than you do on the 58cm! Your seat will be slightly more forward as well due to your shorter inseam. Apparently I'm on the leggier side! I'm finishing up an order for one of the last two in stock 58cm frames with Ken today.

    They seem pretty slammed right now along with the rest of this industry so I'm not sure when I'll get it in-hand, but I'll be sure to post some pictures as it's built up and compare it to my ridiculously non-compliant canyon grail al on some rides. I need to spread the love of this bike on the gravel oriented forums as well - I didn't find out about this bike until it was almost too late and was able to cancel my order for a Lynskey. I don't think any other Ti gravel bikes are giving you this much thought and skill into tubeset selection/manipulation, while also giving you something more than just road geometry with larger tire clearance. All the close-up shots of the welds look on par with the U.S. big boys like Seven and Firefly, so I'm excited to get my own eyes on a frame!

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    Quote Originally Posted by knollybikes.com View Post
    Hi notsendy:

    My gut feel would to also go with the 58cm frame: I suspect (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that you're torso length is a bit longer than average.

    ...

    The Cache frames have lots of standover, so we like to fit them (as much as possible) by length, even though they use typical "Road Seat Tube Lengths" for frame sizing. If you're on the cusp of a 56cm and 58cm frame and are slightly longer than average in the torso, then you'll probably be more comfortable on the longer frame.
    Thanks for the detailed response! I did some more measuring and grabbed my height from med records. Looks like I'm .5 in shorter at 70 in / ~178 cm tall. Regardless, I think I do have a long-ish torso proportionally and my ape index is around +1 in, so the 58 makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakalolochelu View Post
    I'm finishing up an order for one of the last two in stock 58cm frames with Ken today.

    ...

    They seem pretty slammed right now along with the rest of this industry so I'm not sure when I'll get it in-hand, but I'll be sure to post some pictures as it's built up and compare it to my ridiculously non-compliant canyon grail al on some rides.
    Yikes... I'm considering the cheaper steel frame so not a lot of hope they'll have a 58 in stock. Also, I was taking a hard look at the Grail AL but was worried about ride quality with the alu frame. Thanks for helping with with that decision!

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    The Grail is extremely stiff, and it does make it "feel" really fast. Climbs well too on technical stuff. Problem is, once the tires (managed to get 44c raddlers on there) started to get overwhelmed, the frame sent every little bump right through me. All the alu tubing on the grail is rectangular, so it's like 4 I-beams preventing any x or y movement. Riding some of the "gravel" aka light mtb stuff in Marin has left me a little shooken up because of that. I think the Knolly geo fits the type of riding we do out here better, and hoping Ti dampens some of the higher frequency stuff. Makes sense since I bet the "gravel" in BC can get wild.

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    I had not ordered yet. Went from wondering how things would shake out to being so busy the only riding I have done is a few night rides a week...

    I have been able to ride quite a few different drop bar bikes in that time though to get a feel of how geometry differs and what suits me, which I believe will be a 58cm.

    So I dropped a super subtle hint to my wife a month or so ago that either a midnight blue or Ti Knolly Cache , 58cm size in GRX810 would be a sign of love that I would deeply cherish and that I have a bday coming, and that I saved us tons of money by replacing windows and siding on our house myself. Not sure if the first, second, or third hint hit home. We will see in the coming weeks.

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    Pretty much everything I've ever wanted in a dropbar dirt bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RudAwkning View Post
    Pretty much everything I've ever wanted in a dropbar dirt bike.
    Nice! It looks great with those chunky tires on. That fog looks familiar... SF bay area?

    Seeing this work of art made my predicament a bit more painful. FedEx just told me they currently don't know where my cache Ti is (last scan was on the other side of the country) when it was supposed to be delivered today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakalolochelu View Post
    Nice! It looks great with those chunky tires on. That fog looks familiar... SF bay area?

    Seeing this work of art made my predicament a bit more painful. FedEx just told me they currently don't know where my cache Ti is (last scan was on the other side of the country) when it was supposed to be delivered today.
    Yup! Top of Seaview trail in Tilden. Did Railroad/Coastview/Dias loop on Saturday and Napa Skyline on Sunday. This bike slays.

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    Took some build snaps.

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    Hell ya. I'm on the other side of the Caldecott, but have ridden Seaview with my Oakland and Berkeley riding buddies. I'll look out for a cache on the trails.

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    I hope it turns up soon! UPS lost a compressor I was having shipped to my house. Was 10 days delayed. Shipper filed a claim and then issued a refund. It finally showed up a week later.

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    Oh Man these are some beautiful builds. Nice job Guys, look forward to seeing more!

    A week has passed since I was hoping to at least be told I had a bike on the way...still holding out hope that the hints hit home Hints have been dropped by her too so we are in this noman's land of don't ask don't tell. She is out of town for the weekend so I cleaned all of the bikes tonight and did routine maintenance, had my son help. He heads off for college in Sept. so I coyly mentioned that I would like to ride some gravel out there and need to get a bike for that. He told me to hold off and see what it's like in OR. Earlier in the week she had ordered a new weight set and then wanted to book a vacation for her family over her birthday weekend. I'm a working class guy, so I stepped back and said somethings gotta give here, I spent my birthday working on the house and 3 months before her birthday she already spent douquettes. Our son told me to shut my pie hole, that I didn't want to go there. The optimistic me whispered that's because he knows something I don't know.

    Long story short, I am no further along than I was 10 days ago, optimistic, yet still getting stuff ready to sell.

    I've lived in my house for 18 years. Watched the Ironman go right past, Horribly Hilly Hundred near by, and never put 2 and 2 together that within a 6 mile nice hilly road ride in all directions, on good courses, I could also hit a ton of gravel for hundreds of miles. One way or another a Cache has to come into the quiver.


    Edit: After spending some time tonight cleaning the Endo, it dawned on me, a steel Cache in Team Red would blow the f#^&%(*&g mind of the gravel world. The genre is somewhere between 80's pop culture, earth tones, and tri color fades. A cool clear finish in red would make the cherry go pop. Perhaps a lighter red/orange graphic or go straight white like Endo/Podium to announce it has arrived.Eff yeah! heak I would probably be persuaded to swap a Ti for that color.

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    On it's maiden voyage (wrong side sunday):



    FYI, for anyone building up their bikes themselves: the grx front derailleur support screw doesn't come into contact with the derailleur mount nor the frame to be able to use it. Knolly told me GRX specs came out after the bike, and they are reworking the support bracket and making it backwards compatible so the screw could be used. What's funny is they told me to set it up without using the screw and lo-and-behold, it shifts beautifully with no chain rub. The tech on the phone told me his cache was setup this way as well and had no issues. I was only a couple hours away from leaving on a trip to the Sierras when I contacted them with this problem, and they got me sorted out in time.

    This bike feels as fast as my canyon grail on the climb, but so much more stable and smooth on the downhill chunky gravel. The front end was much easier to control when it got really rowdy. Going to be harder and harder to reach for the mountain bike over the gravel bike now. I was able to stick on 47c Teravails, which another cache on here had. They pumped up true to size on 24mm inner diameter wheels. I wouldn't go larger on the rear.

    If anyone's curious, the bike came out to be 22.9 lbs, without bottles for a size 58. Cockpit and seatpost are all alloy so one could shave some weight easily if you actually care. The 58 feels awesome for my size (5'11", 33" inseam), as Noel suggested! The longer wheelbase will probably take a couple rides to get used to on the tight switchbacks.
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    Hey all! If planning to use the bike primarily as an over-built road and bike path rig, also to be used on gravel, but not on actual trails, would you record sizing down or up if between sizes? The ETT of the Cache is much higher than other gravel bikes so that even with the shorter stem, I'm more inclined to go 56 than 58. Especially with the higher-than-typical stack and the desire to use it mostly as a road bike, I think the 56 might be a better fit than the 58. I am 5'11", 33.5" cycling inseam. I'm a big guy, which is what interests me in Knolly's gravel bike over other carbon models.

    Thanks for any insight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic Skeptic View Post
    Hey all! If planning to use the bike primarily as an over-built road and bike path rig, also to be used on gravel, but not on actual trails, would you record sizing down or up if between sizes? The ETT of the Cache is much higher than other gravel bikes so that even with the shorter stem, I'm more inclined to go 56 than 58. Especially with the higher-than-typical stack and the desire to use it mostly as a road bike, I think the 56 might be a better fit than the 58. I am 5'11", 33.5" cycling inseam. I'm a big guy, which is what interests me in Knolly's gravel bike over other carbon models.

    Thanks for any insight!
    Hi Heretic Skeptic:

    Thank you for your interest in our Cache frame!

    Our sizing chart here: https://www.knollybikes.com/steelcache is quite accurate if your body proportions are "fairly normal" What I mean is that as long as your leg length and torso length are fairly normal, you can go off of those sizes (and given your measurements, they seem pretty normal).

    The Cache has a lot of stand over height and it's designed to run shorter than normal stems compared to most current gravel bikes (which are essentially road or CX bikes with increased tire clearance); hence the longer than normal ETT lengths. You should find that a 58cm frame with a 70mm stem +/- will be about right with a 44 or 46 cm drop bar. This is all "off the top of my head, based on a MTBR forum post" so take it with a grain of salt, but it should be very close based on other customers. I suspect that at 5'11" you might find the 56cm a tad too small for you. The stack height is based on a road-ish setup with a negative or flat rise stem and a drop bar.

    Please feel free to contact us directly if you would like additional sizing information - cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by knollybikes.com View Post
    Hi Heretic Skeptic:

    Thank you for your interest in our Cache frame!

    Our sizing chart here: https://www.knollybikes.com/steelcache is quite accurate if your body proportions are "fairly normal" What I mean is that as long as your leg length and torso length are fairly normal, you can go off of those sizes (and given your measurements, they seem pretty normal).

    The Cache has a lot of stand over height and it's designed to run shorter than normal stems compared to most current gravel bikes (which are essentially road or CX bikes with increased tire clearance); hence the longer than normal ETT lengths. You should find that a 58cm frame with a 70mm stem +/- will be about right with a 44 or 46 cm drop bar. This is all "off the top of my head, based on a MTBR forum post" so take it with a grain of salt, but it should be very close based on other customers. I suspect that at 5'11" you might find the 56cm a tad too small for you. The stack height is based on a road-ish setup with a negative or flat rise stem and a drop bar.

    Please feel free to contact us directly if you would like additional sizing information - cheers!
    Thank you Noel! I was so stuck on a road bike feel and what I assumed that would or should equate to size-wise, that I completely ignored rational figures such as stack, reach, stem length, ETT and so forth.

    A couple of questions for you:

    1. If someone were to build this up as a flat bar gravel bike, would it be wrong to size up (ie: to a 60 cm frame) to try and get a longer ETT for use with a shorter stem? Or, are these better paired with the stem length chosen for the build kits?

    2. What are the weights of the two complete bikes that you sell, fully built? I'm looking solely at the steel offerings, but I am sure folks would love to see that same info for the titanium complete options.

    Thanks for your help man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic Skeptic View Post
    Thank you Noel! I was so stuck on a road bike feel and what I assumed that would or should equate to size-wise, that I completely ignored rational figures such as stack, reach, stem length, ETT and so forth.

    A couple of questions for you:

    1. If someone were to build this up as a flat bar gravel bike, would it be wrong to size up (ie: to a 60 cm frame) to try and get a longer ETT for use with a shorter stem? Or, are these better paired with the stem length chosen for the build kits?

    2. What is are the weights of the two complete bikes that you sell, fully built? I'm looking solely at the steel offerings, but I am sure folks would love to see that game info for the titanium complete options.

    Thanks for your help man!

    Well, interesting that you should ask about flatbar builds

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    This is a bike that I built specifically for riding a set of trails close to where I live. it's about 22-23 pounds as shown including the dropper post and pedals. The idea was to focus on offroad much more than road. Also, I wanted to make the build super fun, hence the bright colours.

    I'm about 186cm tall (6' 1.25") and I ride the same size frame (60cm) for drop bar applications and flat bar. For sure if you're on the cusp of a size, it would probably be better to size slightly larger for a flat bar build because you'll loose the reach that the drop bar has and only gain a portion of it back with the wider bars. Both of my bikes are using an 80mm stem though the dropbar is a road stem and the flat bar is an MTB stem. My drop bar Cache uses a 46cm flared bar and GRX810 2 x 11 and my flatbar Cache is using a 760mm Next 35 bar with a predominantly MTB build: 1 x 12, w/ the awesome XTR 10-45T cassette which is key for this build due to the closer gear spacing. The drop bar bike is running 700c x 40mm tires and the flat bar is running 27.5" x 2.1" tires. I bought a bunch of different XC MTB tires, but the Maxxis Pace tires have been excellent and keep as much rolling efficiency as possible for a tire like this.

    The 600 vs 810 build kits weigh about a pound difference: the GRX 810 groupset itself is about 100 grams lighter than the GRX 600 groupset, but the biggest difference is in the wheels where there is a 250g difference. The rest is made up by cockpit differences. Titanium Cache frames shave about 1.5 - 2 pounds off of the weight of steel frames: it's a combination of the material densities and also the fact that you don't have to paint a titanium frame. Hope that helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by knollybikes.com View Post
    Well, interesting that you should ask about flatbar builds

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    Pardon my language, but that is ****in ridiculous!!! So dope!!

    Please, don't forget about my questions haha! I'm eager! And pardon all of these questions. I'm from Seattle originally, but now live in Houston and there are zero Knolly dealers within 400 miles. If I buy, I gotta be sure of some things!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic Skeptic View Post
    Pardon my language, but that is ****in ridiculous!!! So dope!!

    Please, don't forget about my questions haha! I'm eager! And pardon all of these questions. I'm from Seattle originally, but now live in Houston and there are zero Knolly dealers within 400 miles. If I buy, I gotta be sure of some things!
    Questions answered in my post above
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    Quote Originally Posted by knollybikes.com View Post
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    This is a bike that I built specifically for riding a set of trails close to where I live. it's about 22-23 pounds as shown including the dropper post and pedals. The idea was to focus on offroad much more than road. Also, I wanted to make the build super fun, hence the bright colours.

    I'm about 186cm tall (6' 1.25") and I ride the same size frame (60cm) for drop bar applications and flat bar. For sure if you're on the cusp of a size, it would probably be better to size slightly larger for a flat bar build because you'll loose the reach that the drop bar has and only gain a portion of it back with the wider bars. Both of my bikes are using an 80mm stem though the dropbar is a road stem and the flat bar is an MTB stem. My drop bar Cache uses a 46cm flared bar and GRX810 2 x 11 and my flatbar Cache is using a 760mm Next 35 bar with a predominantly MTB build: 1 x 12, w/ the awesome XTR 10-45T cassette which is key for this build due to the closer gear spacing. The drop bar bike is running 700c x 40mm tires and the flat bar is running 27.5" x 2.1" tires. I bought a bunch of different XC MTB tires, but the Maxxis Pace tires have been excellent and keep as much rolling efficiency as possible for a tire like this.

    The 600 vs 810 build kits weigh about a pound difference: the GRX 810 groupset itself is about 100 grams lighter than the GRX 600 groupset, but the biggest difference is in the wheels where there is a 250g difference. The rest is made up by cockpit differences. Titanium Cache frames shave about 1.5 - 2 pounds off of the weight of steel frames: it's a combination of the material densities and also the fact that you don't have to paint a titanium frame. Hope that helps!

    PS: and yes, the fork steerer tube has now been cut to length
    I need a variety of "we're not worthy!" emojis to reply to this post, haha! Thank you!

    So we're looking at 20-23 pounds, roughly, depending on build spec. How in the heck do you build steel frames light enough to keep a complete so low in weight? I'm green, so feel free to truly school me. I won't take any offense, haha!

    What size chainring are you running with the 10-45 XTR cassette?

    Thanks for the heads up on the tires.

    Awesome reply. Starting to lean in closer to a trigger pull. Would be crazy to be in flat-ass Houston, riding a Knolly, but not over-doing it, hahaha!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heretic Skeptic View Post
    I need a variety of "we're not worthy!" emojis to reply to this post, haha! Thank you!

    So we're looking at 20-23 pounds, roughly, depending on build spec. How in the heck do you build steel frames light enough to keep a complete so low in weight? I'm green, so feel free to truly school me. I won't take any offense, haha!

    What size chainring are you running with the 10-45 XTR cassette?

    Thanks for the heads up on the tires.

    Awesome reply. Starting to lean in closer to a trigger pull. Would be crazy to be in flat-ass Houston, riding a Knolly, but not over-doing it, hahaha!!
    Chainring is 38T, which is the largest 12 spd ring I could find for the crank. Honestly, the gearing is pretty much perfect. It can handle steep climbs - to the point where any steeper and I'd be looping out. On the road, you can run out of gears, but only "just": the flat bar aerodynamics and 27.5 x 2.1" tire increased rolling resistance combo ensure that road efficiency is just not quite high enough, which makes the the 38T with 10T cog gearing work perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knollybikes.com View Post
    Chainring is 38T, which is the largest 12 spd ring I could find for the crank. Honestly, the gearing is pretty much perfect. It can handle steep climbs - to the point where any steeper and I'd be looping out. On the road, you can run out of gears, but only "just": the flat bar aerodynamics and 27.5 x 2.1" tire increased rolling resistance combo ensure that road efficiency is just not quite high enough that the 38T with 10T cog gearing works.

    Cheers!
    My buddy just got your old frame Noel... sweet looking bike man! Well done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cheezwhip View Post
    My buddy just got your old frame Noel... sweet looking bike man! Well done!
    LOL Really?

    Yeah, my sales team have been selling ANY and EVERY Cache they can get their hands on. After they sold two on me earlier this year, I told them they couldn't have this Pixel Blue one until at least the end of the summer riding season

    Hope your friend is stoked and thank you for the compliments!

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    Quote Originally Posted by knollybikes.com View Post
    LOL Really?

    Yeah, my sales team have been selling ANY and EVERY Cache they can get their hands on. After they sold two on me earlier this year, I told them they couldn't have this Pixel Blue one until at least the end of the summer riding season

    Hope your friend is stoked and thank you for the compliments!

    Noel
    Yep - he just installed the headset tonight... now I'm Knolly Cache curious HAHAH

    Well, you nailed the market it would seem.
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    I see some of you are running the 700x47mm Rutlands. Have they stretched to get too close for clearance? Wondering about the 48mm Oracle Ridge (supposedly run small) tires being ok on 25mm id wheels as well. Might end up building some 650 wheels to run wider tires on for packing and rough terrain, in that case I would keep the 700c wheels with a 40mm tire probably. But if those 700x47mm are fitting fine, that may be the one tire/wheelset for everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheezwhip View Post
    My buddy just got your old frame Noel... sweet looking bike man! Well done!
    So that is who snapped that thing up before I could buy it!!! Good on your buddy for being quicker with the credit card than I.

    Also, it all worked out in the end. At 6'5", I am glad that I went with the last 62 cm steel frame available. The larger size really helped me stretch out and finally get comfortable on a drop bar bike. I always felt a bit bunched up on the 60 cm Masi cyclocross bike I was riding previously.

    Here is how the build turned out.



    Ended up weighing exactly 23 Lbs. as it sits in that picture, which is a pound or two more than I was hoping. That being said, I love how it rides and looks, so I am fine with the weight penalty (and significantly lower cost) over the titanium frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by croatiansensation View Post
    So that is who snapped that thing up before I could buy it!!! Good on your buddy for being quicker with the credit card than I.

    Here is how the build turned out.


    Sweet build! Glad it all worked out - got me thinking that I might need a gravel bike...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sherwin24 View Post
    I see some of you are running the 700x47mm Rutlands. Have they stretched to get too close for clearance? Wondering about the 48mm Oracle Ridge (supposedly run small) tires being ok on 25mm id wheels as well. Might end up building some 650 wheels to run wider tires on for packing and rough terrain, in that case I would keep the 700c wheels with a 40mm tire probably. But if those 700x47mm are fitting fine, that may be the one tire/wheelset for everything.
    I ended up taking off the rutlands after about 4-5 days, they just felt too slow. They were very plush though. I put back on my WTB 44c Raddlers (measure 43mm now) which seems perfect for hitting XC mountain bike trails and still feel fast enough on pavement. The rutlands didn't stretch out in that small amount of time, but they measured less than advertised when at 25-28PSI, and over 48MM when at 50 PSI if i recall correctly. They have a very round profile compared to my WTB tires on ID 24mm wheels, which is why they probably fit. I like a more square profile for the dirt... corner knobs catch faster leaning over and relatively big contact patches for their size.

    I am very interested in the knobby RH/compass tires though, what datapoints have you seen on the diameter of the Oracle Ridge mounted up? I saw in the Radavist comments that they would fit in the Hakka(advertised 700x40c clearance) and stigmata (advertised 700x45c clearance, same as ours). I was going to switch to their 42C once these Raddlers wear out, but I've read those 48s still roll fast. I've never tried RH tires before so I'm skeptical of the hype train. Here is the Ti Cache post bike fitting, with the final components (mostly Ritchey WCS alu parts, CK headset). I've been using the bike on a wahoo trainer recently as well, due to the california fires right now. Works well doing that too despite it being quite boring.

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    Hey folks! I recently received my Cache Steel and I am slowly putting it together. My digital calipers are acting up and I was hoping someone could verify. Does the steel Cache need 32mm bolts for the flat mount rear brake? That is the best I could tell with a ruler.

    I am 6í1Ē and went with a 58cm. I am building it up with mostly Sram Rival but a Force crank and 46 cm Salsa Cowchipper. I went with a pair of 24mm 700cc rims on Dt350 hubs from Btlos. I have sets on other bikes and they have been great.

    Anyway, great looking frame. I cannot wait to get it completed. Thanks in advance for any input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patcher View Post
    Hey folks! I recently received my Cache Steel and I am slowly putting it together. My digital calipers are acting up and I was hoping someone could verify. Does the steel Cache need 32mm bolts for the flat mount rear brake? That is the best I could tell with a ruler.

    I am 6í1Ē and went with a 58cm. I am building it up with mostly Sram Rival but a Force crank and 46 cm Salsa Cowchipper. I went with a pair of 24mm 700cc rims on Dt350 hubs from Btlos. I have sets on other bikes and they have been great.

    Anyway, great looking frame. I cannot wait to get it completed. Thanks in advance for any input.
    Hi patcher!

    The frame itself is 25mm thick: overall bolt length will be determined by your brake brand and there should be at least 7mm of thread engagement. Bolt length could be slightly more if there are captive washers, etc...

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    Hiya Pakalolochelu, thanks for the info on the tires, and great looking build!

    I am kind of leaning towards staying in the 40-42mm range for 700c tires, just to have a snappy feeling bike for smoother gravel/xc type stuff. Then possibly using wider 650b with any number of tires available from gravel to xc type rougher and bikepacking.

    I can't remember where I read it (probably a comment section so take with a grain of salt) but I believe the Oracle Ridge was 46-47mm on an id24 rim or something close to that. I too am not sure about the RH tires yet. My son has the Rat Trap Pass on a singlespeed do all bike and so far they have held up since April. I am interested in the Oracle Ridge, but The Hurricane might actually suit what I want better. The bike is coming with Ravager/Rambler I believe so I am going to give them a fair shake, but I am also a tire addict, so there will be many varieties before long WTB resolute sounds like a can't lose all around tire, and the RH knobbies look very similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patcher View Post
    Hey folks! I recently received my Cache Steel and I am slowly putting it together. My digital calipers are acting up and I was hoping someone could verify. Does the steel Cache need 32mm bolts for the flat mount rear brake? That is the best I could tell with a ruler.

    I am 6í1Ē and went with a 58cm. I am building it up with mostly Sram Rival but a Force crank and 46 cm Salsa Cowchipper. I went with a pair of 24mm 700cc rims on Dt350 hubs from Btlos. I have sets on other bikes and they have been great.

    Anyway, great looking frame. I cannot wait to get it completed. Thanks in advance for any input.
    32mm bolts are what I used for my build with Rival flat mount brakes, and gave me the recommended ~7mm of protruding thread SRAM recommends. Also, those size bolts came with the Rival 22 right brifter I ordered, so you may not need to buy them separately.

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    Thanks for the responses. That looks about right. I will order 32mm. My eBay levers/calipers did not include hardware. I canít wait to get it set up.

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    Just changed from the 42mm rutlands to the 47mm--makes a big difference for me. I ride almost exclusively singletrack/dirt with this bike so I don't notice it slowing things down, but do notice the handling improvement and larger tires take the edge off nicely. Mounted on weareone revive rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cantdog View Post
    Just changed from the 42mm rutlands to the 47mm--makes a big difference for me. I ride almost exclusively singletrack/dirt with this bike so I don't notice it slowing things down, but do notice the handling improvement and larger tires take the edge off nicely. Mounted on weareone revive rims.
    FYI, I run the same setup at 18psi front and 22 psi rear, I weight 165 lbs. just be carefully in roots and rocks.

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