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    Fugitive LT owners, any regrets?

    I know this is probably not the least biased crowd, but I figure thereís also a lot more experience here.

    If youíve owned (or ever demoed) a Fugitive LT, is there anything that youíd want to change?

    Iím very close to ordering one- I love the design philosophy and the reviews are great, but Iím in a place where I canít test ride or demo one.

    So, any negative feedback/constructive criticism?
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    My only bitch is the downtube is a bit too swoopy, which makes it a bit naff to fit a decent bottle.
    I'm running a Fabric cageless bottle which gives a bit more clearance than most cages.

    Never been able to test ride before purchase either. Just a couple of long phone calls to Noel before each. I have not been disappointed in any of the 6 Knolly's I have owned.
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    I can only give a biased reply due to the fact that the Fugitive is also my 6th Knolly...

    I have had my Fugitive for over a year and have at least 80 rides on it. I can't say there is anything I would change on the frame. I do miss the old bolt on/pinch bolt rear axle, but the DT Swiss version on the Fugitive works fine.

    From the start I really liked the fit of the bike and how that translated to my riding. The only thing that I had to adjust to was the cornering. At first it felt a little slow to me, but eventually figured it out. The Fugitive loves to be pushed hard, but works fine on an average ride/trail. (not an easy thing to accomplish in my book)

    I have played around with the build a bit. Went from Fox DPX2 to X2 and 36 Fit4 150mm to 36 Grip2 at 160mm. Dropper from 150mm to 175mm. The changes added up to a bike that is more plush and slightly easier to lift the front. Climbing steeps takes a bit more forward body weighting, but it is a trade off I am willing to make for a ride that is more fun for me. The 150mm front with the bars at the right height makes for a monster technical climber.

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    Pull the trigger and rip it! Just remember to spec good brakes - this bike is fast and the wheels are big. 203mm MT7s on both ends really slow it down when necessary.

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    Thanks for the replies. I'm pretty sure I'll just move forward. It's been 19 years (?!?) since my last full suspension bike, a Santa Cruz Bullitt (!!!).

    I appreciate Knolly's design philosophy, and I think that based on feedback on this forum, reviews, and talking to a couple of Knolly riders that this will be a fit for my riding and values.

    Not having the opportunity to ride one has given me some cold feet, but I'm not terribly interested in the carbon or low-end aluminum bikes that are prevalent. Plus, I have too admit to enjoying the idea of being one of the first riders in the area to be on a Knolly!
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    After riding and enduro racing the Fugitive LT with a 160mm fork for all of last year, I sold it in fall and ordered a new 2020 Warden.

    Problem was, I sold it a bit too early... so with so much riding season left, I started demoing and borrowing bikes from friends. I did 2 rides on the new Santa Cruz Hightower, 3 rides on the new Santa Cruz Megatower, 1 ride on my friends 2018 Rocky Mountain Instinct BC Edition and 1 ride on another friends 2018 Norco Range. The most recent bike I owned before buying the Fugitive LT was a Norco Sight.

    To make a long story short... the Fugitive is a better bike than all of them. Testing/riding all those bikes so quickly after running the FLT long term really pointed out just how ****ing amazing of a bike it is. But the one comparison that really surprised me and summarizes just how good the Fugitive is, was against the SC Megatower. I rode it for 3 good rides (2 to 4 hours) at three different riding areas with different terrain... from techy steep rocky gnar to super fast flowy bermy jumps... with lots of climbing in-between.

    I had heard and read in reviews over and over about how badass this bike was, about how it needed to ridden at 10/10ths to really shine, that it was a super stiff enduro bruiser that could handle any and all hard charging. First off, I'm not sure if many of the reviewers just didn't know how to set up the suspension properly or what, but I started off a little too soft and had to stiffen things up (think I was expecting severe stiffness and/or progression). Second, I can just say that the bike was awesome and super fun to ride, anyone who has this bike is stoked because it's an awesome super fun bike. It's just that... well... the Fugitive is better.

    1. The Fugitive is stiffer where it needs to be than the Megatower! I didn't feel as confident to push into or go for big sketchy steep rocky chunk lines like I could on the Fugitive! That extra 25mm of rear travel didn't seem to make much difference in those instances. I actually walked a section of a trail that I ride all the time (when I'm ready) and that I had no hesitation to blast into on the Fugitive most days. I'm sure part of it was just not being as comfortable on the bike heading into some serious west coast BC gnar as I was on the Fugitive. I chalked it up to the Fugitive's 157 rear end being exceptionally stable which allows you to hit, hold and grip lines that are either much more difficult on a different bike (feel the rear end flexing and giving way) or you need more skill than I have (to keep it on line no matter what). I am now fully sold on 157 rear ends and I don't think it can be overstated just how stable and confidence inspiring it makes a bike.

    2. The biggest difference I noticed about the suspension design was the amount of "brake jack" compared with the Fugitive. I really noticed it on a specific fast, mostly flow trail with lots of berms... it's super fun. But prior to some of the bermed corners, there are steep sections of little step-downs through roots and rocks and/or some pretty good chunky breaking bumps combined with some roots and rocks. The Mega, compared with the Fugitive wasn't as composed through these sections... it tended to skip down/through these, loose traction and/or lock up. I'd loose some traction and the ability to brake late and hard before a corner. As a result, I wasn't able to keep as much speed as I would have liked... or it was just harder to keep speed and felt more sketchy through those sections while trying to set up for the corner.

    3. I did find that maybe where the Mega shined and was probably a little better than the Fugitive was between these sections. The mega's suspension platform allowed it to be pretty fast pushing and pumping through smoother berms and rolling terrain. My strava times were just a little faster here on the mega and might have been a even faster with more time on the bike. But, then I would lose much more time in the chunkier sections and of course the gnar. Different suspension platforms for sure, but I'd take 4x4 in a heartbeat.

    4. Finicky bike design... the flip chip is impossible to get to... even setting sag or seeing how much travel you're using is difficult. Cleaning the bike is annoying... the only real way to properly clean down into all the nooks and crannies of the linkage is to take it apart. Being able to adjust the geo trail-side in 30 seconds on the Fugitive is a far, far better design, something I definitely took for granted! Plus the change in geo on the Mega isn't enough... I wonder why they even bothered.

    5. Pricing... I found the Fugitive a better value.

    6. Tire Spec: Front - 2.5 WT MaxxTerra EXO+. Rear - 2.4 WT MaxxTerra EXO+. Those EXO+ tires were a highlight of the demo... I've used Schawlbe Snake Skins, Super Gravity, Maxxis EXO and DD's and EXO Plus are going on my Warden for sure. Great middle ground between EXO and DD. I was surprised by the support and damping quality for such little extra weight. Knolly needs to start speccing these on their Fugitive LT and bigger.

    Anyway, that did end up being a bit of long story. But bottom line - The Fugitive LT is a very high end, very high performing bike that does most things better than most bikes on the market. At the end of the season on my Fugitive I was still throwing it into gnarlier and crazier situations and coming out the other end laughing... I never did find it's limit.

    Things I'd change?? I rode it with a 160mm fork and pretty much always in the slack mode, so maybe a seat tube that was another degree or so steeper? Not a big deal, the bike still climbed really well with lots of traction. Other than swapping the tires to something burlier, that's about it.

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    I'd like it to be a bit more responsive to out of the saddle efforts (I rode SS for 15+ years) but wouldn't be willing to give up the technical climbing traction or neutral braking as a consequence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandForLife View Post
    After riding and enduro racing the Fugitive LT with a 160mm fork for all of last year, I sold it in fall and ordered a new 2020 Warden.


    Mind if I sk why the switch from the Fugitive to the Warden? Wheel size or travel?
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    Anybody gone from a Delerium to a Fug? Do you miss anything on the downs? I noticed a huge diff between the Warden & Deler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttchad View Post
    Anybody gone from a Delerium to a Fug? Do you miss anything on the downs? I noticed a huge diff between the Warden & Deler.
    Yes. One is a 170 Freeride bike and the other is 135mm trail bike. While the Fugitive can take some big hits, it's just not in the same class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandForLife View Post
    After riding and enduro racing the Fugitive LT with a 160mm fork for all of last year, I sold it in fall and ordered a new 2020 Warden.

    Problem was, I sold it a bit too early... so with so much riding season left, I started demoing and borrowing bikes from friends. I did 2 rides on the new Santa Cruz Hightower, 3 rides on the new Santa Cruz Megatower, 1 ride on my friends 2018 Rocky Mountain Instinct BC Edition and 1 ride on another friends 2018 Norco Range. The most recent bike I owned before buying the Fugitive LT was a Norco Sight.

    To make a long story short... the Fugitive is a better bike than all of them. Testing/riding all those bikes so quickly after running the FLT long term really pointed out just how ****ing amazing of a bike it is. But the one comparison that really surprised me and summarizes just how good the Fugitive is, was against the SC Megatower. I rode it for 3 good rides (2 to 4 hours) at three different riding areas with different terrain... from techy steep rocky gnar to super fast flowy bermy jumps... with lots of climbing in-between.

    I had heard and read in reviews over and over about how badass this bike was, about how it needed to ridden at 10/10ths to really shine, that it was a super stiff enduro bruiser that could handle any and all hard charging. First off, I'm not sure if many of the reviewers just didn't know how to set up the suspension properly or what, but I started off a little too soft and had to stiffen things up (think I was expecting severe stiffness and/or progression). Second, I can just say that the bike was awesome and super fun to ride, anyone who has this bike is stoked because it's an awesome super fun bike. It's just that... well... the Fugitive is better.

    1. The Fugitive is stiffer where it needs to be than the Megatower! I didn't feel as confident to push into or go for big sketchy steep rocky chunk lines like I could on the Fugitive! That extra 25mm of rear travel didn't seem to make much difference in those instances. I actually walked a section of a trail that I ride all the time (when I'm ready) and that I had no hesitation to blast into on the Fugitive most days. I'm sure part of it was just not being as comfortable on the bike heading into some serious west coast BC gnar as I was on the Fugitive. I chalked it up to the Fugitive's 157 rear end being exceptionally stable which allows you to hit, hold and grip lines that are either much more difficult on a different bike (feel the rear end flexing and giving way) or you need more skill than I have (to keep it on line no matter what). I am now fully sold on 157 rear ends and I don't think it can be overstated just how stable and confidence inspiring it makes a bike.

    2. The biggest difference I noticed about the suspension design was the amount of "brake jack" compared with the Fugitive. I really noticed it on a specific fast, mostly flow trail with lots of berms... it's super fun. But prior to some of the bermed corners, there are steep sections of little step-downs through roots and rocks and/or some pretty good chunky breaking bumps combined with some roots and rocks. The Mega, compared with the Fugitive wasn't as composed through these sections... it tended to skip down/through these, loose traction and/or lock up. I'd loose some traction and the ability to brake late and hard before a corner. As a result, I wasn't able to keep as much speed as I would have liked... or it was just harder to keep speed and felt more sketchy through those sections while trying to set up for the corner.

    3. I did find that maybe where the Mega shined and was probably a little better than the Fugitive was between these sections. The mega's suspension platform allowed it to be pretty fast pushing and pumping through smoother berms and rolling terrain. My strava times were just a little faster here on the mega and might have been a even faster with more time on the bike. But, then I would lose much more time in the chunkier sections and of course the gnar. Different suspension platforms for sure, but I'd take 4x4 in a heartbeat.

    4. Finicky bike design... the flip chip is impossible to get to... even setting sag or seeing how much travel you're using is difficult. Cleaning the bike is annoying... the only real way to properly clean down into all the nooks and crannies of the linkage is to take it apart. Being able to adjust the geo trail-side in 30 seconds on the Fugitive is a far, far better design, something I definitely took for granted! Plus the change in geo on the Mega isn't enough... I wonder why they even bothered.

    5. Pricing... I found the Fugitive a better value.

    6. Tire Spec: Front - 2.5 WT MaxxTerra EXO+. Rear - 2.4 WT MaxxTerra EXO+. Those EXO+ tires were a highlight of the demo... I've used Schawlbe Snake Skins, Super Gravity, Maxxis EXO and DD's and EXO Plus are going on my Warden for sure. Great middle ground between EXO and DD. I was surprised by the support and damping quality for such little extra weight. Knolly needs to start speccing these on their Fugitive LT and bigger.

    Anyway, that did end up being a bit of long story. But bottom line - The Fugitive LT is a very high end, very high performing bike that does most things better than most bikes on the market. At the end of the season on my Fugitive I was still throwing it into gnarlier and crazier situations and coming out the other end laughing... I never did find it's limit.

    Things I'd change?? I rode it with a 160mm fork and pretty much always in the slack mode, so maybe a seat tube that was another degree or so steeper? Not a big deal, the bike still climbed really well with lots of traction. Other than swapping the tires to something burlier, that's about it.

    Enjoy!!

    Awesome information, thanks alot! I just ordered a Fugitive and can't wait to give it a try. Thing is, I also have a Warden, and its such a capable bike I have a hard time imagining that the Fugitive will replace it. Guess I will just have to keep both of them! The new Warden sounds like it could be the best of both worlds though. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it.

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    I guess I should just buy another wheelset so I don't have to pedal a DH casing. Delerium is not bad if you don't climb super steep & loose. Or maybe I just got used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sslos View Post
    Mind if I sk why the switch from the Fugitive to the Warden? Wheel size or travel?
    Not a problem... I guess I'd say... because I can, so why not try something different and if I don't like it, I'll sell and switch again. No more motivation than that really.

    But I'd also be lying if i wasn't a little nervous that I've just sold possibly what could be the best bike in the world and I'm wondering if the new Warden will be better... or not? Maybe less than a little... I'm sure I'll have a blast on it and it'll be interesting noting the differences long term from a shorter travel 29r to a longer travel 27.5.

    At the very least, by the end of next season I'll hopefully know which platform I like better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skooks View Post
    Awesome information, thanks alot! I just ordered a Fugitive and can't wait to give it a try. Thing is, I also have a Warden, and its such a capable bike I have a hard time imagining that the Fugitive will replace it. Guess I will just have to keep both of them! The new Warden sounds like it could be the best of both worlds though. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it.
    Ya, I think you will be surprised what the Fugitive is capable of... and might lead you down the path of thinking... "if this geometry is so capable in a 135mm bike, what would a 160mm 27.5 be like?" Which is where I am now.

    If Knolly drops a true long travel 29r the following year... who know, maybe I'll have to try that out as well! Or maybe I'll want to be back on a shorter travel 29... or maybe a shorter travel 27.5... we'll see I guess.

    Have fun on the Fugitive... it's just a fast and fun bike. I will say it took me a month or so to get the suspension dialed just right and really get in tune with the bike... part of that was adjusting my riding style to the long, low and slack style. But once you get into it and trust it... there isn't much that will slow you down!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandForLife View Post
    Ya, I think you will be surprised what the Fugitive is capable of... and might lead you down the path of thinking... "if this geometry is so capable in a 135mm bike, what would a 160mm 27.5 be like?" Which is where I am now.

    If Knolly drops a true long travel 29r the following year... who know, maybe I'll have to try that out as well! Or maybe I'll want to be back on a shorter travel 29... or maybe a shorter travel 27.5... we'll see I guess.

    Have fun on the Fugitive... it's just a fast and fun bike. I will say it took me a month or so to get the suspension dialed just right and really get in tune with the bike... part of that was adjusting my riding style to the long, low and slack style. But once you get into it and trust it... there isn't much that will slow you down!
    Sounds like the Fugitive is going to be a seriously fun bike. Can't wait to give it a rip!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skooks View Post
    Awesome information, thanks alot! I just ordered a Fugitive and can't wait to give it a try. Thing is, I also have a Warden, and its such a capable bike I have a hard time imagining that the Fugitive will replace it. Guess I will just have to keep both of them! The new Warden sounds like it could be the best of both worlds though. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it.
    I thought this too...but the Warden and Endorphin seem to have disappeared from my garage. Once I got used to the Fugitive / new geometry, the Warden felt a little sketchy on bigger stuff. (especially the turn in) I also did some back to back rides on easier trail between the Fugitive and Endorphin. The fun factor was a wash for me between those two. Yes the Endo is quicker, but not enough for me to keep it around.

    I think a big part of the reason the Fugitive works so well for me vs. the Endo and Warden is the fit/geo and maybe the wheel size. I ride a large frame and I can really weight the front of the Fugitive without fear of anything weird happening. Maybe my results would be different if I was smaller and riding a medium or small frame?

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    I love my Fugitive, built it October 1st. I have about 300 miles on it so far... its probably the best bike I have ever owned. I have also had Enduro 29er, multiple 27.5 nomads, stump jumpers, and more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teethandnails View Post
    I love my Fugitive, built it October 1st. I have about 300 miles on it so far... its probably the best bike I have ever owned. I have also had Enduro 29er, multiple 27.5 nomads, stump jumpers, and more.

    Sounds like you have owned some pretty burly bikes. Do you think the fugitive will be as capable on the steep downhills?

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    3k miles on my fugitive. I've run every travel config in the LT version between slack and neutral. What feels best to me - 160 neutral. The bike is awesome and I've got literately 0 complaints about the bike. Mine is built up extremely burly and heavy around 39lbs and I was still out climbing folks on lighter bikes.

    It is a 135mm bike though no matter how you cut it, and I keep asking when an actual LT 29er will come along. Until then, I'm happy on the fugitive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skooks View Post
    Sounds like you have owned some pretty burly bikes. Do you think the fugitive will be as capable on the steep downhills?
    Dude, yeah, the bike is a monster truck. It's wild how good it is going down. I find it far more confidence inspiring than my Warden Carbon or Chili ever were, which is saying something. I've got 5 or 6 DH days in the Fug, it loves it, especially if you're into that. I've currently got mine setup with a 150mm fork and run it in neutral. Love it.

    I was actually running my Fug at 128mm of travel and the bike was still a machine. It loves going fast and getting rowdy. It's such a good bike, by far my favorite Knolly. I got the bike in June and my Warden Carbon hasn't been touched since. The fug does everything better Į\_(ツ)_/Į.

    I really have no complaints with the frame. If I were to get nit-picky with it, I'd be ok with the frame being lighter and the bb a smidge higher. That said, I'm going to swap over to a 160mm fork and lighter, 170mm cranks. Everything solved lol. I just tossed a coil shock on 'er too, so I'm really excited for another season on the Fug. It's so dang good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by c.o.d51 View Post
    I was actually running my Fug at 128mm of travel and the bike was still a machine.
    Hah, I've been wondering if someone would try that. Best of both worlds, or no real advantage over running it at 135mm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    Hah, I've been wondering if someone would try that. Best of both worlds, or no real advantage over running it at 135mm?
    You know, the more that I think about it, the more I realize how well it did there. For me, though, there's no advantage over running it at 135mm. I'd rather have the extra travel travel for the dumb things I'm bound to do on it and ride the Fug off lol.

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    Been reading this forum for a while, finally got an MTBR account so I can chime in.

    I bought a Fugitive LT this summer and have zero regrets. I live in BC and generally ride the North Shore, Squamish, Whistler and Pemberton. I pedal for 90+% of my riding so was looking for something that can climb decently but mainly that wouldn't limit me on descents. I test rode several other brands (Pivot, Giant, Specialized, Trek, etc) before and after getting the Fugitive and will echo what IslandForLife said - the Fugitive is just better. Did a few rides on a Firebird and while it pedaled quite well for the size and was a monster truck in a straight line, as soon as things get tight/windy the Fugitive feels way better. Had a Devinci Django before and sure, it was lighter and faster on smoother climbs, but the Fugitive is better on technical climbs and is in an entirely different league descending. Also had a Chilcotin and can say I do not miss the extra 25mm travel out back. Lines that I would stop to look at or walk on the Chilcotin/Django I now ride without pause on the Fugitive. I've always enjoyed seeking out gnarlier features, and there have only been a few very large drops to flatter/chunkier than ideal landings where I've felt like the bike might be slightly limiting.

    I rode it for a long time in the Neutral position and it was very playful and I cleaned climbs regularly that I never had before. Later on dropped to Slack which changed the handling quite a bit - lower BB made it corner on rails but at the expense of a bit of the snap and climbing.

    Would I change anything about it? I wouldn't complain about a bit more travel, but if that had to come at the expense of the handling and climbing I wouldn't trade for it. Also agree with cod51 about maybe a tad higher BB, I think I like the HA of slack but prefer the BB height of neutral.

    Lastly the folks at Knolly have been an absolute pleasure to work with and between their technical/engineering expertise, passion for riding and top notch customer service I will be hard pressed to switch to any other bike brand for the foreseeable future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandForLife View Post
    Ya, I think you will be surprised what the Fugitive is capable of... and might lead you down the path of thinking... "if this geometry is so capable in a 135mm bike, what would a 160mm 27.5 be like?" Which is where I am now.

    If Knolly drops a true long travel 29r the following year... who know, maybe I'll have to try that out as well! Or maybe I'll want to be back on a shorter travel 29... or maybe a shorter travel 27.5... we'll see I guess.

    Have fun on the Fugitive... it's just a fast and fun bike. I will say it took me a month or so to get the suspension dialed just right and really get in tune with the bike... part of that was adjusting my riding style to the long, low and slack style. But once you get into it and trust it... there isn't much that will slow you down!

    Would definitely like to hear a detailed comparison between the new Warden and Fug.

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    Fugitive Issues:

    Tiny headtube/low stack height require 50mm rise bars and 160mm fork on an XL to feel right for me (6'2"). Can't imagine anyone taller fitting on this frame

    The suspension linkage bearings are not very well sealed. A lot of them are also pretty small bearings (6x 6900). I came from santa cruz VPP and really appreciated the large, sealed + shielded bearings with grease fittings. I ride in the PWN and this bike is designed by a company based in the PNW, so im surprised the suspension linkage's bearings arent better protected. I've owned the bike since October 2018 and I'm on my second set of lower linkage bearings and am now ready to do the entire frame (10 bearings total). Maybe this is typical with 4-bar designs?

    I had to get 170mm cranks to not pedal strike like crazy. I also have a taco guard that gets used regularly.

    Seat tube could be steeper. It's fine for a modern bike, but at my height I would totally take another 2 degrees.

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    Thanks all for the continued discussion.

    Iíve ordered my Fugitive LT with the knowledge of this conversation in mind.

    I might opt for 170mm cranks, but Iíll most likely try the stock 175s first.
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    I have been riding a Warden for the last 5 years, and I really love that bike. It bombs down steep chunk with confidence, and also allows you to pick your way through slow-speed janky trails. I couldn't imagine a better bike, but the Fugitive LT might just be one. I took it on a good ride yesterday to see how it would compare. I was fully expecting to wish I was back on the Warden at some point, but it never happened.

    One thing that really surprised me was how nimble the fugitive is, especially on technical climbs. I thought the Warden would be more agile, but the Fugitive felt more nimble on everything except maybe super tight slow-speed switch backs (but even on those it was close). The fugitive has no problem picking your way through tight boulders and roots. On skinnies the fugitive felt very stable, and also handled steep rock rolls well. I did manage to hit the back tire once or twice on really steep rolls though. Probably just need to get used to the bike.

    I didn't get the chance to ride any extremely steep trails or drops, so can't comment on those. The fugitive felt nicely balanced on the small jumps I hit though. I am running a 150mm fork and it felt nicely balanced. I will probably experiment with 160mm at some point. The 175mm cranks were ok if you really pay attention to where your pedals are. 170mm cranks would be better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandForLife View Post

    Problem was, I sold it a bit too early... so with so much riding season left, I started demoing and borrowing bikes from friends. I did 2 rides on the new Santa Cruz Hightower, 3 rides on the new Santa Cruz Megatower, 1 ride on my friends 2018 Rocky Mountain Instinct BC Edition and 1 ride on another friends 2018 Norco Range. The most recent bike I owned before buying the Fugitive LT was a Norco Sight.

    How did you like it in comparision to the Rocky BC? This is on my short list of east coast do everything for next season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaSwab View Post
    How did you like it in comparision to the Rocky BC? This is on my short list of east coast do everything for next season.
    The Instinct BC, was an ok bike... I was actually quite surprised, given the repuation this bike has, at how much I didn't like it. I think it gets more praise and hype than it deserves simply because it's called the "BC Edition", but it doesn't ride like a BC Edition bike should, and does not come close to the Fugitive. I didn't like it.

    Maybe Knolly should have named the Fugitives "The Fugitive" and the Fugitive BC Edition"? vs. "LT" haha!

    First the geometry is pretty old school (for these days) and you feel it. 66 degree HTA, 74 degree STA and a short reach... that combined with a pretty inactive rear suspension led to a harsh, nervous and not confidence inspiring ride. No suppleness, no traction... It did climb fire roads and low angle smooth single-track well.

    And again... the lack of a 157 rear end made a difference. So, not only was the rear end un-supple and skipped over obstacles (especially while on the brakes), it was laterally flexing more than the Fugitive... I had to slow way down on this bike through big fast chunk compared with the Fugitive and was even scared to hit more gnarly lines. It did not feel like it had 20 more mm of rear travel.

    Lastly, a complete aluminum bike is only available in a low spec, you can't buy an aluminum frame-set, their carbon frame-set is overpriced along with their lowest spec carbon complete.

    Wow, now that I've actually put all my thoughts together about that bike... I REALLY didn't like it! Which was a surprise, I really thought I was going to like it. Anyway, hope that helps... haha.

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    I've been riding a BC for the last two years and would agree with most of your complaints. I find it to be pretty good in all situations and really good for the east coast terrain. Would you say the knolly feels like a bigger bike? I do a lot of large days out sometimes mainly trail/xc and sometimes on more enduro/DH terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaSwab View Post
    I've been riding a BC for the last two years and would agree with most of your complaints. I find it to be pretty good in all situations and really good for the east coast terrain. Would you say the knolly feels like a bigger bike? I do a lot of large days out sometimes mainly trail/xc and sometimes on more enduro/DH terrain.
    Ha, obviously didn't mean to insult your bike... it is a great bike. I just think, in comparison, the Fugitive is better in every way. The craziest thing about the Fugitive LT is that it seems to be just as "at home" pedaling away all day on XC-style-all-day cruising rides as it is dropping into some of the steepest and gnarliest terrain you can find.

    I had so much fun on this bike... whether it was a 6 hour trail adventure or pounding down scary shit. I never did find it's limit.

    So yes, it did feel like a much bigger bike when I needed it too yet still retained the qualities of a more all mountain style bike when it's big bike'd-ness wasn't needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IslandForLife View Post
    Ha, obviously didn't mean to insult your bike... it is a great bike. I just think, in comparison, the Fugitive is better in every way. The craziest thing about the Fugitive LT is that it seems to be just as "at home" pedaling away all day on XC-style-all-day cruising rides as it is dropping into some of the steepest and gnarliest terrain you can find.

    I had so much fun on this bike... whether it was a 6 hour trail adventure or pounding down scary shit. I never did find it's limit.

    So yes, it did feel like a much bigger bike when I needed it too yet still retained the qualities of a more all mountain style bike when it's big bike'd-ness wasn't needed.
    No offense taken, that's why I'm here. I would love it try it, sadly there arnt any dealers in my neck of the woods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaSwab View Post
    No offense taken, that's why I'm here. I would love it try it, sadly there arnt any dealers in my neck of the woods.
    Just call Knolly... they're a bunch of chill great people. If there's any way they can sort you out with a demo, they will. May not be any specific dealers, but they may have a review bike or demo in the area for other reasons.

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