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    New Intense Primer 29er!

    Introducing the Primer
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    A 29" trail dominating machine! 115-130mm of travel and weighing in at 25lbs (the bike i weighed) for the Factory model this thing is going to be fun!

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    Reviews
    Intense Primer 29 first ride report - Mtbr.com
    Intense Primer Factory first ride review - BikeRadar
    Intense Primer 29 Review: Is it really a 29er?!
    Singletrack Magazine | Review: Intense Primer 29 Factory

    *thanks Sam for the links*
    Vital “First Look” First Look: 2016 Intense Primer 29 - Mountain Biking Pictures - Vital MTB

    TwentyNine Inches: Intense Primer 29er: On Test

    Dirt Mag UK: https://dirtmountainbike.com/bike-re...irst-look.html

    MBR (UK): Here's the new Intense Primer 29 - MBR

    MountainBike Gateway: First Look: 2016 Intense Primer 29

    Downhill 24: Intense Primer set to destroy the trails - Downhill 24

    “The Latest” THE LATEST | Intense Introduces New Primer 29er Trail Bike
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    nice looking primer

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    Keep an eye out on Instagram. The new bike will be revealed there first.

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    My Carbine is going to get jealous soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCWages View Post
    Keep an eye out on Instagram. The new bike will be revealed there first.

    New teaser
    https://www.instagram.com/intensecycles/?hl=en
    Thanks a lot, just waisted 30 minutes looking at pictures
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    Quote Originally Posted by vice grips View Post
    Thanks a lot, just waisted 30 minutes looking at pictures
    My pleasure! Haha

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    Looks like a 29er!!!! So not what I am waiting for right now. Are we getting one or two more bikes after this? I am not sure if the uzzi counts as one of the five new bikes or not as it's a this year release?

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    The bike looks amazing, but im not surprised are you? I have not had the pleasure to ride it yet, but should have a review on a modified Pro model shortly, 140 fork Derby/Hope wheels and my personal cockpit wider bars longer seatpost. Those that have ride time on the Primer say 27.5 fun with 29.5 fast! It is not the same frame as the ACV, it will not take a 3" tire in the back. Maybe a 2.8 but not in any kind of mud. they designed the primer to be a seek and destroy fun trail bike and didn't want to sacrifice performance and im glad they didn't feel pressured by the trend of making every one happy with one bike. I had a Hightower that I only rode once with plus wheels and had 29ers in it the rest of the time. I sold the HT once I learned about the primer and what it's capable of and I can't wait to get mine.
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    OK, wasn't aware of these new bikes from Intense, look really nice. In reading the Enduro Mag review found the link to the ACV review and just wondered, does anyone else find it weird that the STA on the ACV is 71* and on the Primer it's 75*?
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    Reviews are live! See below

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    Vital “First Look” First Look: 2016 Intense Primer 29 - Mountain Biking Pictures - Vital MTB

    Enduro Test: Intense Primer 29 Review: Is it really a 29er?!

    TwentyNine Inches: Intense Primer 29er: On Test

    Bike Radar (UK): Intense Primer Factory first ride review - BikeRadar USA

    Dirt Mag UK: https://dirtmountainbike.com/bike-re...irst-look.html

    MBR (UK): Here's the new Intense Primer 29 - MBR

    SingleTrack (UK): Singletrack Magazine | Review: Intense Primer 29 Factory

    MountainBike Gateway: First Look: 2016 Intense Primer 29

    Downhill 24: Intense Primer set to destroy the trails - Downhill 24

    “The Latest” THE LATEST | Intense Introduces New Primer 29er Trail Bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    OK, wasn't aware of these new bikes from Intense, look really nice. In reading the Enduro Mag review found the link to the ACV review and just wondered, does anyone else find it weird that the STA on the ACV is 71* and on the Primer it's 75*?
    Could one of them be a missprint ? I have learned to take their geo numbers with a grain of salt. If you look at the Spider 29C Geometry listing you will see the medium wheelbase listed at 44" (same as the small, it is supposed to be 45, with large at 46) I told them about it months ago, but like several attempts at contacting customer service; never got a response and they never bothered fixing it.
    Looks like a great bike !!! Wonder about the tire width max in the back.
    imho, they dropped the ball (very unlike Intense engineering move.)
    All three builds have a paltry 2.25 stock. I am running a 2.35 on Spider 29. Would expect them to at least oem a 29/2.35,2.4~5 back there "nowadays" even for it's intended use. Geez, even the new 115mm Tallboy will take a 3.00 tire max.
    Think I might being go with the ACV with the double (stiffer) support brace in back and just angleset the ha steeper by a degree and maybe get close to the same feel with more clearance in back.
    So really all I want is a primer front triangle (then I can run a 2x10/11 and have a good little steeper ha), with a ACV rear triangle. Is that too much too ask on a brand new bike from Intense
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    Pretty much the bike I have been waiting for. There is no mention when they will be available, especially the frame only SL along with the $$? Complete builds dont work for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glovemtb View Post
    Could one of them be a missprint ? I have learned to take their geo numbers with a grain of salt. If you look at the Spider 29C Geometry listing you will see the medium wheelbase listed at 44" (same as the small, it is supposed to be 45, with large at 46) I told them about it months ago, but like several attempts at contacting customer service; never got a response and they never bothered fixing it.
    Looks like a great bike !!! Wonder about the tire width max in the back.
    imho, they dropped the ball (very unlike Intense engineering move.)
    All three builds have a paltry 2.25 stock. I am running a 2.35 on Spider 29. Would expect them to at least oem a 29/2.35,2.4~5 back there "nowadays" even for it's intended use. Geez, even the new 115mm Tallboy will take a 3.00 tire max.
    Think I might being go with the ACV with the double (stiffer) support brace in back and just angleset the ha steeper by a degree and maybe get close to the same feel with more clearance in back.
    So really all I want is a primer front triangle (then I can run a 2x10/11 and have a good little steeper ha), with a ACV rear triangle. Is that too much too ask on a brand new bike from Intense
    It's not meant to be a convertible plus bike 29er mongrel. They tuned it to be the best it can be as a 29er trail bike. It should have no problem running a high volume 2.4 rear tire. I have run the Trail Boss 2.4 on my Spider 275c with no clearance issues at all.

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    Can anyone tell me the price of the Expert build? Considering this as an alternative to a Switchblade, which is currently at the top of my list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abq clydesdale View Post
    can anyone tell me the price of the expert build? Considering this as an alternative to a switchblade, which is currently at the top of my list.

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    Thanks Sam. For some reason I was confusing the Pro and Expert. I see the Expert price in the MTBR article now. I think I actually prefer the Expert components over the Pro.
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    I'm curious to anyone's thoughts on a new Expert Primer build ($5900) versus an "old" 2015 Carbine GX build (on sale for $3000) listed on JensonUSA:

    Intense Carbine 29 GX Jenson Bike 2015 > Bikes > Mountain Bikes | Jenson USA

    These 2 builds parts wise look the most comparable to me and the geometry between the 2 frames looks more similar than different to my eyes (big caveat, I don't have a ton of experience on FS bikes).

    I'm located in North Central Texas so 80%+ of my riding would fall squarely in the cross country category and I get along just fine on my current 29" HT, however I do like the idea of owning a "swiss army" bike and the FS 2015 Carbine at only $3000 is very tempting.

    But I'd still like opinions of more experienced riders on what compromises I might be buying into?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LyNx View Post
    OK, wasn't aware of these new bikes from Intense, look really nice. In reading the Enduro Mag review found the link to the ACV review and just wondered, does anyone else find it weird that the STA on the ACV is 71* and on the Primer it's 75*?
    There is an Effective and an Actual STA. ACV Actual is 71* and the Primer is 72.3*

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    Quote Originally Posted by icelt View Post
    I'm curious to anyone's thoughts on a new Expert Primer build ($5900) versus an "old" 2015 Carbine GX build (on sale for $3000) listed on JensonUSA:

    Intense Carbine 29 GX Jenson Bike 2015 > Bikes > Mountain Bikes | Jenson USA

    These 2 builds parts wise look the most comparable to me and the geometry between the 2 frames looks more similar than different to my eyes (big caveat, I don't have a ton of experience on FS bikes).

    I'm located in North Central Texas so 80%+ of my riding would fall squarely in the cross country category and I get along just fine on my current 29" HT, however I do like the idea of owning a "swiss army" bike and the FS 2015 Carbine at only $3000 is very tempting.

    But I'd still like opinions of more experienced riders on what compromises I might be buying into?
    I have rode both of these bikes the Carbine 29 and the Primer 29 and they are completely different riding bikes. Even with exact same components the ride characteristics of the bikes are different. To me, the Carbine 29 felt like a boat getting up on plane and once it was on plane it would just go and go over everything that was put in it's way. It was a decent climbing bike but I found myself in granny gear a lot climbing. On the Primer I don't think I ever made it into granny gear on the climbs. It was ridiculously efficient.

    It really comes down to ride preference. If you're looking to ride trail and venture into XC with a little bit of All mountain thrown in, then the Primer is your bike. If you're looking to ride more aggressive with All Mountain and some trail thrown in than the Carbine 29 is for you.

    I wasn't expecting to like the Primer when I rode it, I have my Spider 275C and was thinking that it was going to be the same ride but on a wheel size I'm not a fan of (29). 29's have always been intimidating to me since I've got short legs but as soon as I started riding the Primer I was blown away. It wasn't the same as my Spider 275C, it wasn't as "playful", but it was purposeful. With the Carbine 29 there would be a little bit of lag coming out of turns and getting onto the pedals. With the Primer it was like a slot car in the turns and as soon as I would start a peddle stroke I could immediately feel momentum increasing. It felt like sports car, so reactive.

    So again, it comes down to the riding you want to do. I enjoy Trail, I like putting on some miles and gaining some elevation, I really enjoy enjoy my Spider 275C for this. However I wouldn't mind having a Primer in the stable too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABQ Clydesdale View Post
    Thanks Sam. For some reason I was confusing the Pro and Expert. I see the Expert price in the MTBR article now. I think I actually prefer the Expert components over the Pro.
    Aside from components the Pro Model comes with a Carbon top link, titanium hardware, and is the SL Carbon layup (about 300 grams lighter than the expert). If you're a weight weenie it's one thing to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glovemtb View Post
    Could one of them be a missprint ? I have learned to take their geo numbers with a grain of salt. If you look at the Spider 29C Geometry listing you will see the medium wheelbase listed at 44" (same as the small, it is supposed to be 45, with large at 46) I told them about it months ago, but like several attempts at contacting customer service; never got a response and they never bothered fixing it.
    Looks like a great bike !!! Wonder about the tire width max in the back.
    imho, they dropped the ball (very unlike Intense engineering move.)
    All three builds have a paltry 2.25 stock. I am running a 2.35 on Spider 29. Would expect them to at least oem a 29/2.35,2.4~5 back there "nowadays" even for it's intended use. Geez, even the new 115mm Tallboy will take a 3.00 tire max.
    Think I might being go with the ACV with the double (stiffer) support brace in back and just angleset the ha steeper by a degree and maybe get close to the same feel with more clearance in back.
    So really all I want is a primer front triangle (then I can run a 2x10/11 and have a good little steeper ha), with a ACV rear triangle. Is that too much too ask on a brand new bike from Intense
    Looks like someone listened to you on the Spider 29 spec.

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    Yes, but they listed it as just STA, how am I supposed to know which is which? Guess bad reporting by Enduro Mag. Also since we're getting technical and nothing specific to Intense, this goes to ALL manufacturers with seat tubes that have bends in them, the Effective STA will change as the sizes change ST length because that's how it works, so you cannot actually just say Effective STA is "X" unless you are only referring to "X" height above the BB - the SM will have a effective STA than the XL.

    Other than that, as I said, nice looking bikes, for sure, really like the colourway splits.

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    @icdlt: I recommend the Primer over the Carbine.

    I have already been in conversations with my LBS to see if a frame-only option is available and have posted my CB Riot and Banshee Phantom for sale as well. This bike is just what I was looking for!

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    Holy crap there's some nice bikes coming out lately for us 29er lovers.

    This one looks perfect for the trails I ride. $4700 aud for frame only in Aus is pretty bloody steep though, but par for the course over here for boutique offerings.

    Thing that held me back on the Yeti that pushes me towards this is having that water bottle mount in the front triangle. Having gone from the Following to the Riot, I really miss having the bottle in a useable location for short local rides.

    Now I need to find a way to justify this to the minister of finance because I like what I'm seeing!

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    I see that mtbr hung the Primer by the shock. Is that a rough indication of where the complete bike's "balance point" is?

    Can I ask someone hold up a stock Prime Expert by the the bottom of the top tube so that it is balances with a light hand grip?

    I noticed the Spider 275c's Expert build was somewhere above the shock, and I really think that played a huge role in how easy the bike was to ride. Interested in testing this theory some more.

    I also have to add, that the upper swing link being 1 piece, and also having the bearings housed in it, rather than in the top tube, is the kind of "feature" I like to hear from brands trying to differentiate from others. Tired of hearing things like the suspension being the highlight. Technology is supposed to enrich lives, making it more achievable to attain a higher quality experience, and/or making things more convenient to live with (and hopefully less frustrating). Having marketing surround this, not blatantly told through words, but shown visually (the message should be clear and impactful), is something I'd applaud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam-IntenseCustServ View Post
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    Here's the new Intense Primer 29 - MBR
    - This review from MBR stood out for me. I loved seeing all the engineering details in their photos. Huge cut above the rest.

    What's up with the last 3 links?
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    Quote Originally Posted by creativefletch View Post
    I have rode both of these bikes the Carbine 29 and the Primer 29 and they are completely different riding bikes. Even with exact same components the ride characteristics of the bikes are different. To me, the Carbine 29 felt like a boat getting up on plane and once it was on plane it would just go and go over everything that was put in it's way. It was a decent climbing bike but I found myself in granny gear a lot climbing. On the Primer I don't think I ever made it into granny gear on the climbs. It was ridiculously efficient.

    It really comes down to ride preference. If you're looking to ride trail and venture into XC with a little bit of All mountain thrown in, then the Primer is your bike. If you're looking to ride more aggressive with All Mountain and some trail thrown in than the Carbine 29 is for you.

    I wasn't expecting to like the Primer when I rode it, I have my Spider 275C and was thinking that it was going to be the same ride but on a wheel size I'm not a fan of (29). 29's have always been intimidating to me since I've got short legs but as soon as I started riding the Primer I was blown away. It wasn't the same as my Spider 275C, it wasn't as "playful", but it was purposeful. With the Carbine 29 there would be a little bit of lag coming out of turns and getting onto the pedals. With the Primer it was like a slot car in the turns and as soon as I would start a peddle stroke I could immediately feel momentum increasing. It felt like sports car, so reactive.

    So again, it comes down to the riding you want to do. I enjoy Trail, I like putting on some miles and gaining some elevation, I really enjoy enjoy my Spider 275C for this. However I wouldn't mind having a Primer in the stable too.
    Thank you for the in depth feedback. Very much appreciated.

    I think I agree with your suggestion that all things being equal the Primer would most fit my qualifications. However the elephant in the room presently is the price difference between the two (basically $3000 less for the Carbine).

    That's nothing to sneeze at and given that either FS bike would be solely for fun and exercise would the Primer really be worth all that extra coin?

    Then again looking at the Jeffsy, and comparing the geo's, it's even more similar to the Primer and still a good $2800 less. It'll carry a bit more weight being aluminum but that's less concerning for me given the cost difference.


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    @icdlt: I recommend the Primer over the Carbine.
    Yeah based on initial impressions it is quite enticing I agree. However as I mull all this over in my brain I'm reminding myself of a board gaming concept... basically goes something like this, "games that FIRED other games out of your collection."

    Is the Primer such a big evolution of the platform that it fires the Carbine?

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    I've currently got a Spider 29c with 140 Pike, which seems pretty close geo wise...can anyone compare and contrast the ride and handling differences between these two bikes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nels View Post
    I've currently got a Spider 29c with 140 Pike, which seems pretty close geo wise...can anyone compare and contrast the ride and handling differences between these two bikes?
    Exactly what I was thinking... Though I have no intent to change my Spider 29 C (140mm fork) any time soon
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    The upper two models are specked with a 130 fork and the lower two with a 140. Why is that?

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    Seatpost a bit tall but doable for me. I'm curious to know if this bike has more anti-squat than the Spider 29 Comp/C...something I want and that the Spider does not really have. I like the fact that is is more supple off the sag point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icelt View Post
    Thank you for the in depth feedback. Very much appreciated.

    I think I agree with your suggestion that all things being equal the Primer would most fit my qualifications. However the elephant in the room presently is the price difference between the two (basically $3000 less for the Carbine).

    That's nothing to sneeze at and given that either FS bike would be solely for fun and exercise would the Primer really be worth all that extra coin?

    Then again looking at the Jeffsy, and comparing the geo's, it's even more similar to the Primer and still a good $2800 less. It'll carry a bit more weight being aluminum but that's less concerning for me given the cost difference.




    Yeah based on initial impressions it is quite enticing I agree. However as I mull all this over in my brain I'm reminding myself of a board gaming concept... basically goes something like this, "games that FIRED other games out of your collection."

    Is the Primer such a big evolution of the platform that it fires the Carbine?
    The Primer wasn't developed to "fire" the Carbine. It was designed as a dedicated 29" trail bike at 115-130mm travel. The Carbine is a 29" All-Mountain/Enduro bike at 145-160mm travel. Both ride very different and excel in different areas. I could ride park on the Carbine, I wouldn't ride park on the Primer. I could ride all day with 4,000 elevation gain on the Primer, I wouldn't do it on the Carbine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicane32 View Post
    The upper two models are specked with a 130 fork and the lower two with a 140. Why is that?
    According to Jake they chose a different travel fork travel for the Factory/Pro vs. the Expert/Foundation to keep the geometry the same.

    "The Axle to crown height on a 140mm pike is the same as a 130mm fox.
    The Primer 29 was built around a 130mm fork. With that in mind putting a 130mm pike on the Foundation / Expert bike would change the geo. And the head tube angle would be way too steep."

    They did the same thing for the Spider 275c. I was confused by this at first until it was explained. Thanks Jake!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCWages View Post
    According to Jake they chose a different travel fork travel for the Factory/Pro vs. the Expert/Foundation to keep the geometry the same.

    "The Axle to crown height on a 140mm pike is the same as a 130mm fox.
    The Primer 29 was built around a 130mm fork. With that in mind putting a 130mm pike on the Foundation / Expert bike would change the geo. And the head tube angle would be way too steep."

    They did the same thing for the Spider 275c. I was confused by this at first until it was explained. Thanks Jake!
    Ya, that makes perfect sense. I noticed the forks were different, but didn't think about the height difference between the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicane32 View Post
    Ya, that makes perfect sense. I noticed the forks were different, but didn't think about the height difference between the two.
    Me either. It's on of those DUH moments once it was explained.

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    So which DT Swiss carbon wheels are sold with the Factory build? Intense website (and your screen grab above show narrow (21.5mm internal) rim XRC1200. Whereas Pinkbike and 29inches show test bike photos of a more logical XMC1200 which has a 24mm internal rim. So which is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lodestone View Post
    So which DT Swiss carbon wheels are sold with the Factory build? Intense website (and your screen grab above show narrow (21.5mm internal) rim XRC1200. Whereas Pinkbike and 29inches show test bike photos of a more logical XMC1200 which has a 24mm internal rim. So which is it?
    The wheels are XMC1200. The test bikes ridden by the media used a different cassette because the Eagle cassette wasn't available for test bikes yet. So sometimes spec parts are not available at the time of a photoshoot or the spec is changed right before official rollout. In this case, the Intense website shows the correct wheel. I believe the pictures I posted also show the XMC1200.

    Oops, I see what you mean now. I'll see that the spec list gets corrected. Thanks!

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    According to Jake they chose a different travel fork travel for the Factory/Pro vs. the Expert/Foundation to keep the geometry the same.

    "The Axle to crown height on a 140mm pike is the same as a 130mm fox.
    The Primer 29 was built around a 130mm fork. With that in mind putting a 130mm pike on the Foundation / Expert bike would change the geo. And the head tube angle would be way too steep."

    They did the same thing for the Spider 275c. I was confused by this at first until it was explained. Thanks Jake!
    Is that because of Boost? Had the impression that the RS Pike had longer A2C than most other brands with same travel without Boost.
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    Is that because of Boost? Had the impression that the RS Pike had longer A2C than most other brands with same travel without Boost.
    You're correct in this statement. The Fox 34 and MRP Stage forks are shorter A2C than the Pikes. Pike 140, 551mm A2C, Fox 34 140, 547mm A2C, Stage 140, 548 A2C.
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    Okay so when is the next bike coming and what is it?

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    Okay so when is the next bike coming and what is it?
    ^^ This guy.

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    . I love my uzzi and I am waiting for a mini uzzi. Be it a new tracer or carbine 275 successor idk. 150 travel range with short rear and long front. 65-66 HTA. Thanks !

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    . I love my uzzi and I am waiting for a mini uzzi. Be it a new tracer or carbine 275 successor idk. 150 travel range with short rear and long front. 65-66 HTA. Thanks !
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    I always feel funny telling someone that I can't afford something and than they look at my bike and say, "YA right"

    Mini uzzi Mmmmmm short chain stays Ggggrgggg
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    I always feel funny telling someone that I can't afford something and than they look at my bike and say, "YA right"

    Mini uzzi Mmmmmm short chain stays Ggggrgggg
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    Back on topic, I updated the Factory Build Sheet in the first post to reflect the DT Siwss XMC1200 wheel question and it has been updated on the Intense website. Thanks [email protected] and thanks Lodestone for the catch.

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    These are the upcoming demos and I believe most will have a Primer and ACV available for demo although you may have to pre-register to get a ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creativefletch View Post
    The Primer wasn't developed to "fire" the Carbine. It was designed as a dedicated 29" trail bike at 115-130mm travel. The Carbine is a 29" All-Mountain/Enduro bike at 145-160mm travel. Both ride very different and excel in different areas. I could ride park on the Carbine, I wouldn't ride park on the Primer. I could ride all day with 4,000 elevation gain on the Primer, I wouldn't do it on the Carbine.
    Yeah in retrospect the "fired" analogy wasn't intended to sound so dramatic. But your further explanation in response does underscore better for me that each bike is different enough to not be directly comparable in all riding environments.

    It does seem that the Primer is the more immediate fit for the riding I presently do and reasonably foresee, but at $5900 it's also simply too rich for my blood.

    Are there any readily available demo bikes that ride "fairly" similar to the Carbine? I guess readily available in my neck of the woods includes Trek, Niner and Specialized. As much as I'd love to visit Cali and visit a demo location to go riding it ain't gonna happen.

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    New Intense Primer 29er!

    I like this bike a lot and the geometry seems solid, although I'd ideally want shorter chain stays. I think the lower link and BB area could be tucked in sub 17". My Following's a quarter inch shorter in wheelbase comparing same size frames with a 140 Stage and a 67 deg. HA, a 74 deg. SA, longer ETT and same reach numbers, in the Following's high setting. I'm also a bit disappointed that there's no guide mounts. Why are manufactures all of a sudden deciding that we don't want to protect our expensive chain rings and help to slide off stuff especially with these newer slacker lower extremely capable bikes and their low BB's? The other thing is narrow wide chain rings do wear out quickly and the guide is insurance and not a hinderance other than a little weight.
    It's a very light bike for sure so that's a nice feature and I like the steeper seat angle. Both features would help it to be a proficient climber. The boost rear helps in many ways and I like that. I've got a Honzo CR on order so I'm building or converting a boost rear wheel for that and it'll run my RS-1 120 and its front wheel. I've got three sets of carbon wheels but no boost rear yet. First off I'm going to convert the I9 Derby rear wheel to boost with the Boostniator and I'm sure it'll be even more laterally rigid after the conversion taking 3mm out of the dish towards the NDS.
    There's just not enough bennies in the Primer frame to get me off of my Following, unless of course Intense makes me a deal that I can't refuse! LOL Sam?
    Although, I could convert all three wheel sets to boost and that would simplify and broaden my wheel options between the two bikes. Not counting my 29+ bike that mostly sees touring duty.


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    Quote Originally Posted by creativefletch View Post
    The Primer wasn't developed to "fire" the Carbine. It was designed as a dedicated 29" trail bike at 115-130mm travel. The Carbine is a 29" All-Mountain/Enduro bike at 145-160mm travel. Both ride very different and excel in different areas. I could ride park on the Carbine, I wouldn't ride park on the Primer. I could ride all day with 4,000 elevation gain on the Primer, I wouldn't do it on the Carbine.
    Don't sell this Primer short compared to the current Carbine 29. This bike and its geo is as slack but tighter, stiffer and quicker. It should be much more playful than the Carbine but still handle the chunk and bigger hits especially with the stiffer package. It all comes down to suspension tuning, build and set up. I'd take this bike any day over a Carbine and ride everything faster on it.
    I should preface that I've had 2 Spiders; 29al and 29c, both slacked out with angle sets, 130/ 140 Pikes and upgraded rear sus. I currently ride a Following which definitely blurs the lines of a do anything bike.


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    This bike should take significant market share from the 429T which I own and don't like at all. Hope to get a chance to demo at some point. Another great looking bike.
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    New Intense Primer 29er!

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    Intense have hit my radar big time - after riding the Spider 275C - this, the ACV and future bikes will all be on my demo radar and top of list contenders for next bike!

    I demoed the previous gen 429. Personally couldn't get in synch with it.

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    This was at the LBS today

    Good thing it was a med.......I ride a L / XL
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    Good thing it was a med.......I ride a L / XL
    Just put a 120-140mm stem on it

    On a much more awsome note, I should have my primer tomorrow or Wednesday. My cock is out ready to start rocking out! Sorry was that not PG-13? Well this thread is about to go full XXX adult bike prono so parents put your kids to bed and lend a hand to your grandparents into the other room because it's about to get wild!!!

    Im getting the pro model and trying to decide weather to make the fox 34 140 instead of 130, what do you think? I know others that ride the primer with 140 34 and that was my first thought when I got to see the numbers. I haven't riden anything less than 140 in the last 10-12 years. Im scard
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    Good to know that the fork can be changed to 140mm. I was wondering about that. I also have a pro model shipping thursday. This will be my first 29er ever. I have only rode (demo)a Specialized Enduro 29er a couple years back that was ok but not a game changer for me to want to switch to the wagon wheel. I also have felt as if I need to finally go to a XL which is what I am scared of. My spider 275c feels a little small. I am 6'3" with a 34" inseam. I feel like a I need a 70mm stem on the Spider so I am gambling on two things here. Size of the bike and the my first 29er. Somehow I am always happy when getting a bike from Intense so I'm not too worried about it.

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    RB it took some adjustments in my riding style to really my a 29er work for me. I still feel a 27.5 is best suited for an all around bike. But I was told from a very reputable source that the Primer may be a game changer. The pros of a 29er but not the draw backs. I had two 29ers and loved the way they gobbled chunky, braked bumped, rooty decents. My speeds were way faster on my remedy 29 than tracerC and nomad, but never liked climbing or descending on steep terrain on the remedy or Hightower. Ive heard the primer has the "snap" of a smaller wheel. I think the size should work for RB
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    Can't wait to hear your thoughts on the bike RB. I had a good 29er experience w my rip9rdo and a bad one with my 429T. That being said both bikes are shorter rear travel than the Primer with 125 on the rip and 114 on the trail. I rode the rip w a 160/140 dual bike and it was perfectly bike park capable from a travel perspective. Also when set at 140 both bikes tackled up to 6 foot to flat hucks reasonably well. You don't need that much travel on those big wheels it seems. So 140/130 should be a great setup for every day trail riding and bike park stuff.

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    Thanks for the replies on my first 29er ever! I have been very hesitant to buy a 29er since they came out due to the geometries of 95% of the big wheeled bikes made up until the last two years. I hate, and I do mean hate steep head angles on any mountain bike. I don't race so I am in no hurry to climb. But after riding the Spider 275C for the last two months, I have gotta say that I started to enjoy climbing so I am looking to to do longer distance rides which usually means more climbing. The Spider 275c is a great bike for the many 8-12 mile rides that I mostly do on week days when I have 2 hours but I am hoping that the Primer makes me want to keep going on the long, hilly days. I probably need to sell one after I figure out which fills the need best but I'd sure like to keep both. The Spider is so fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vice grips View Post
    Just put a 120-140mm stem on it

    On a much more awsome note, I should have my primer tomorrow or Wednesday. My cock is out ready to start rocking out! Sorry was that not PG-13? Well this thread is about to go full XXX adult bike prono so parents put your kids to bed and lend a hand to your grandparents into the other room because it's about to get wild!!!

    Im getting the pro model and trying to decide weather to make the fox 34 140 instead of 130, what do you think? I know others that ride the primer with 140 34 and that was my first thought when I got to see the numbers. I haven't riden anything less than 140 in the last 10-12 years. Im scard
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    I have been trying to get a large one in blue, but my LBS says that only orange is in stock... So, I'm waiting 4-6 weeks for a blue one to come available, apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCWages View Post
    Stop with the suspense! Did you get it???
    It's here i have it. I had a 14 hour day at work yesterday and I had a hard time driving to the shop and getting it mostly built up. Im about 90% done. The hub just came for the front wheel so I won't have that done till this weekend but hope to get out tomorrow. I hope I start feeling like a human again tomorrow.

    The bike is impressive in person. Much like the spiderC, it's got a high level of finish. The orange looks great! Can't wait to see it in the woods, it should really POP! The eagle just looks silly, it's going to take some time to get used to it. I should have built it up stock just to see the weight. But im doing wheels, tires, bars, stem, grips, and more than likely brake in the future? Also I think I'll need to get a 170mm seatpost. Im ready to drop so im going to have to post picks in the morning. Im going to have loamy dreams tonight
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    I deffenty wouldn't have rode my bike today if I didn't have a brand new bike steering back at me. After have a crazy hard day at work two days ago and getting heatstroke I still don't feel right. Top top it off its in the mid 90% with 90% humidity, just nasty!

    I spent almost no time on the suspension but I knew it would be a quick rideonly a 6-6.5 Mile ride but got to climb a 20% dirt road to the trails. It climbs very smooth, I didn't feel any feedback. The trails are dry here but with the heat and humidity are making all the rocks have heavy condensation on them, even the roots were slick. The tire that was on the rear wheel that I slaped on the primer was a worn out low profile fast rolling tire making some exciting rear wheel slidouts but still felt composed doing it. The bike was very easy to pump up to speed, and even though I had much easier gear spread i was pushing a much larger grear. I was im pressed by how poppy it was off of rocks and trail features. Also very easy to manual and ride a wheelie. I felt like I could steer the bike from my hips and corners like a smaller wheel bike. The bigger wheels help hide the 130 mm of travel(I've been mostly riding 160-170mm bikes) but I'd really like to try a 140-150mm fork since the seat tube is so steap. That's about all I can give you from such a short ride. Im 6'1.5" with long arms. I had a 50mm stem and 785 bars. I'd maybe like to try a 35 stem and 800mm bars just to be silly but im going to leave as is for now. I leave a better review after I get a real tire on the back and my carbon front wheel put together. Im very excited about this bike. With the weight, 12 speed drive train, and balanced feel of the bike it's going to back for a fun do every thing kind of bike well 90% of every thing New Intense Primer 29er!-image.jpgNew Intense Primer 29er!-image.jpg
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    I'm guessing that you have a large frame? I see you changed to the same bar that I have for my Primer. I like the look of the black stanchions on the Fox 34. Are the stock wheels heavy? I'm thinking of replacing the wheels. I see I'll have to get mine listed soon as you will probably be doing the same. lol

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    Yes it's a large. Im not sure about the wheel weigh but they don't seem bad. They have nice hubs. But i have and am used to carbon rimmed wheels so I might as well use them. Not sure im going to sell them but im sure they won't be hard to unload
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    Read a detailed review but it didn't say anything about anti-squat and it did not seem that the snappiness of the pedaling in in the same league as the DW Link.

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    I can't to speak to the DW link as I have never really got one out on the trail but if the Primer is anything like the Spider 275c and I think it is, it has much more anti squat built into the suspension compared to earlier VPP designs. The spider is big improvement!

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    I rode the 429T and Mojo HD3 as dw link bikes and compared to my 2016 uzzi the only difference between those three bikes was the amount of rear travel. Otherwise the pedaling platforms are basically identical.

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    congrats!!! I like the blue. I'm guessing thats a large?

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    You should thats one top shelf bike there and a beautiful one. Congrats!


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    I deffenty wouldn't have rode my bike today if I didn't have a brand new bike steering back at me. After have a crazy hard day at work two days ago and getting heatstroke I still don't feel right. Top top it off its in the mid 90% with 90% humidity, just nasty!

    I spent almost no time on the suspension but I knew it would be a quick rideonly a 6-6.5 Mile ride but got to climb a 20% dirt road to the trails. It climbs very smooth, I didn't feel any feedback. The trails are dry here but with the heat and humidity are making all the rocks have heavy condensation on them, even the roots were slick. The tire that was on the rear wheel that I slaped on the primer was a worn out low profile fast rolling tire making some exciting rear wheel slidouts but still felt composed doing it. The bike was very easy to pump up to speed, and even though I had much easier gear spread i was pushing a much larger grear. I was im pressed by how poppy it was off of rocks and trail features. Also very easy to manual and ride a wheelie. I felt like I could steer the bike from my hips and corners like a smaller wheel bike. The bigger wheels help hide the 130 mm of travel(I've been mostly riding 160-170mm bikes) but I'd really like to try a 140-150mm fork since the seat tube is so steap. That's about all I can give you from such a short ride. Im 6'1.5" with long arms. I had a 50mm stem and 785 bars. I'd maybe like to try a 35 stem and 800mm bars just to be silly but im going to leave as is for now. I leave a better review after I get a real tire on the back and my carbon front wheel put together. Im very excited about this bike. With the weight, 12 speed drive train, and balanced feel of the bike it's going to back for a fun do every thing kind of bike well 90% of every thing Click image for larger version. 

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    Vice,

    I just demoed the Factory build of the Primer this morning and it is overall the best bike that I have ever ridden by a wide margin (I had said that about the Evil Following up until today). My current ride is a 2014 Carbine 29 Pro build and here are my impressions. Wanted to see if you are seeing the same things.

    1. Climbing with the new JS tune and the steep seat angle is a revelation. Traction in loose/rocky terrain is insane and worlds better than the old VPP design. Wouldn't ever go with any setting on the shock/fork except full open. I could bring this to an XC race in the 115mm travel setting, it is that good of a climber.
    2. Incredibly capable on the downs, travel feels bottomless, tight, supple and controlled all at the same time. Just crazy good.
    3. Corners like it is on freaking rails. So snappy and carries speed for days.

    Couple of minor gripes (but nothing is perfect)

    1. The Nobby Nics sucked for dry socal riding compared to my Highroller IIs in EXO casing. I would replace these pretty quickly.

    2. The frame is insanely stiff (which is a great thing) and combined with the stiffness of the carbon wheels, I felt like the Fox 34 was getting overwhelmed a tiny bit in the front in terms of lateral stiffness and am wondering if the bike might feel better with a Pike or a Fox 36 on it. This could also just be the lack of grip that I was feeling from the Nobby Nics and not the fork that I was feeling. It looks like the media reviews almost all mentioned that the Nobby Nic was holding the front end back. Would love to try this bike with better tires. Are you feeling at all undergunned with the 34? I am about 195lbs geared up and I ride the front end of bikes pretty aggressively.
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    I really like this bike.
    Amazing bike CB, I came close to braking the bank on a factory build but I had carbon wheels and bars just sitting there. Could you post some pictures in the wild on the trail? The orange looks so much better in the woods and I bet the blue does too

    -Bullit I've only been on two fairly short rides and Ive been far from myself, getting dangerously bad heat stroke last week. My Body is so weak and depleted. Im having a hard time doing stuff around the house, let alone ride this bike to what it's cap of. To top it off it's been in the mid 90s with near 100% humidity since I've gotten the Primer. That being said I got to see some of what the primer Can do.

    I pretty much agree with you on all accounts. It climbs better than any bike I've peddled, I think the new spiderC 27.5 is right there with maybe a notch or top below. But just incredible how it builds speed going up or down for that matter. I rode with my wife and after we regrouped at the top of a series of rolling climbs(we passed 5 dudes) she said to me "crap you are going to be soo much faster on that dame bike" no lock out needed or trail mode. I think a larger volume more linear shock would be great because even with 40% sag the bike never felt harsh at bottom out or ever really felt it bottom out.

    For how snappy and agile it rides, it feels pretty composed going down. I do feel a 140 maybe a 150 fork would better suit the trails i ride, but im very inmpressed by the quality of the fork. Very supple to small bump and very good ramp up with no harsh bottom out. It came with three tokens in the fork and that's how im leaving it Untill I put a 140 air shaft in it. Also considering a .-5 angleset

    Corning is insane as you say. I rode a nomad with a 170 fork and slacked out rear most of this year. So there was a much more lower in the bike feel on the N3 than the primer, so it's going to take some time to adjust. I had a 170mm reverb post on the nomad so the 125mm on the primer with a higher over feel just isn't going to cut it. Im ordering a 170 today or at least a 150. That will improve just about every aspect of its handling.

    I've never had a chance to ride the Nobby nicks. My wife has a 2.3 on the rear of her spider and washes out in dry corners but says its a good light weight climbing tire. I'd like to try a rock razor. I think what rims/wheels you run will play a part of what tires you use. The frame like you say is stiff! Deffently the stiffest frame I've ever been on. First ride i had a bontrager xr3. It was fast rolling but didn't have the Corning or side wall support I needed. Yesterday I put a dhr minnon exo and I still need to run more pressure than I'd like to, to keep the tire from rolling in fast hard corning. I think it's the stiffness of frame and rim(derby30i) I have some bontrager 2.4 SE5s that im going to try if I bring the primer to highlands and do some DH laps

    So far the brakes are sup par on the pro build. Again im used to Shimono saint and xt on my other bikes but a 160 rotor isn't going to cut it with the kind of speed this bike will produce. I think you could get away with 180 rotors front and back but why skimp on braking to save a little weight, just me though.

    I know I should leave this bike as is, a very capable trail machine capable of gobbling up mile after mile, doing so with style and fun factor pigged at 10. But with a longer 140-150 fork, slacker HA, longer dropper, stronger brakes who knows what this bike can do. Any way you put I've got the primer as bike of the year
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridnw/bear View Post
    congrats!!! I like the blue. I'm guessing thats a large?
    It's an XL.

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    First ride report:

    Let me just start by saying what a bike. The first thing I noticed was how quickly this bike accelerates and gets up to speed, it feels almost effortless. I am not a good or even decent climber but this bike made me able to climbs things I never have before. Unfortunately I only did one descent yesterday because it was so hot and I rode with one of the young kids who works with me down a trail that I am not used to so I haven't gotten the best idea about how it descends. That said this bike is very nimble and snappy, the trail I rode had some tight switchbacks and I didn't have any trouble navigating any of the turns. All in all this bike is dialed out of the box, if your going to be doing a lot of technical descending you may want to put a 180 rotor in the rear, i changed that before my first ride but some other guys I know who demo'd one said they burned through the rear one fairly quickly.

    I am doing a pretty major rebuild on mine next week and when I do I will post the full build to make this bike a bit more all mountain oriented for myself. The cool thing is I bought a foundation Primer for my younger brother and I will just transfer all the parts off mine to his and he will pretty much have a factory with a foundation group set.

    Final thought, I couldn't be happier with this purchase. This bike seems to excel in every area of riding and I can't wait to continue to see what it can do.

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    Frame only Option?

    Anyone know what the frame only option would cost? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by vice grips View Post
    I deffenty wouldn't have rode my bike today if I didn't have a brand new bike steering back at me. After have a crazy hard day at work two days ago and getting heatstroke I still don't feel right. Top top it off its in the mid 90% with 90% humidity, just nasty!

    I spent almost no time on the suspension but I knew it would be a quick rideonly a 6-6.5 Mile ride but got to climb a 20% dirt road to the trails. It climbs very smooth, I didn't feel any feedback. The trails are dry here but with the heat and humidity are making all the rocks have heavy condensation on them, even the roots were slick. The tire that was on the rear wheel that I slaped on the primer was a worn out low profile fast rolling tire making some exciting rear wheel slidouts but still felt composed doing it. The bike was very easy to pump up to speed, and even though I had much easier gear spread i was pushing a much larger grear. I was im pressed by how poppy it was off of rocks and trail features. Also very easy to manual and ride a wheelie. I felt like I could steer the bike from my hips and corners like a smaller wheel bike. The bigger wheels help hide the 130 mm of travel(I've been mostly riding 160-170mm bikes) but I'd really like to try a 140-150mm fork since the seat tube is so steap. That's about all I can give you from such a short ride. Im 6'1.5" with long arms. I had a 50mm stem and 785 bars. I'd maybe like to try a 35 stem and 800mm bars just to be silly but im going to leave as is for now. I leave a better review after I get a real tire on the back and my carbon front wheel put together. Im very excited about this bike. With the weight, 12 speed drive train, and balanced feel of the bike it's going to back for a fun do every thing kind of bike well 90% of every thing Click image for larger version. 

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    I'm with you, has anyone heard?

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    They're not available.

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    Just FYI the 130 34 should easily convert to a 140 34 by removing one token in the air shaft assembly. Check fox website. Definitely the case for 36s where you can run 160-120mm for all models in that travel range. Some beautiful bikes here!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cblesius View Post
    They're not available.
    arrrggg!!!!!

    Your right........just confirmed with the nice folks at Intense.

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    I heard to check back in October for the frame-only version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryknown View Post
    I heard to check back in October for the frame-only version.
    Mhhhhh. I might just do that for my wife. She is on a 429T right now and everything should swap over nicely......

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    cblesius - How tall are you? I am 6'3" with a 34" inseam. I have a XL on order. I have always had Intenses in size large so a little concerned about it riding "big". I see you have the seatpost lowered as much as possible. Hows that working?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryknown View Post
    I heard to check back in October for the frame-only version.
    I was told that nothing until 2017. For 2016 all bikes were ordered with build kits. Frame only sales is a very small portion of their volume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shrink View Post
    Just FYI the 130 34 should easily convert to a 140 34 by removing one token in the air shaft assembly. Check fox website. Definitely the case for 36s where you can run 160-120mm for all models in that travel range. Some beautiful bikes here!!!
    I'm pretty certain you have to change out air spring shafts in the 34, not add or remove spacers to change travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shrink View Post
    Just FYI the 130 34 should easily convert to a 140 34 by removing one token in the air shaft assembly. Check fox website. Definitely the case for 36s where you can run 160-120mm for all models in that travel range. Some beautiful bikes here!!!
    The latest generation of 34 (and 32) needs a new length air shaft to change travel. The 36 has a diff air spring system that uses neg plate travel spacers. They both require lower leg removal. Tokens are used for adjusting the spring rate through air volume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    I'm pretty certain you have to change out air spring shafts in the 34, not add or remove spacers to change travel.
    Yup im going to order a 140 air shaft, totally forgot. Im up in the air about just ordering a 36 so I could bump it up to 150 if I wanted to. Think 34 only goes up to 140 in 29er

    Got out on a good ride today. Not super long but hard climb and rear all mountain type decent. I really can't wait to get a longer dropper post. The bike continues to impress New Intense Primer 29er!-image.jpgNew Intense Primer 29er!-image.jpgNew Intense Primer 29er!-image.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    I was told that nothing until 2017. For 2016 all bikes were ordered with build kits. Frame only sales is a very small portion of their volume.
    It was my LBS that provided the information, not Intense directly. Either way, keep checking for a frame.

    Quote Originally Posted by shrink View Post
    Mhhhhh. I might just do that for my wife. She is on a 429T right now and everything should swap over nicely......
    I picked up a 429T since I couldn't get the Primer... funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryknown View Post
    It was my LBS that provided the information, not Intense directly. Either way, keep checking for a frame.


    I picked up a 429T since I couldn't get the Primer... funny.
    Why couldn't you get one? You mean just a frame?

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    New Intense Primer 29er!

    Quote Originally Posted by vice grips View Post
    Yup im going to order a 140 air shaft, totally forgot. Im up in the air about just ordering a 36 so I could bump it up to 150 if I wanted to. Think 34 only goes up to 140 in 29er.
    I'd check in with Intense on the 150 fork length to make sure they're good with that. Their recommended fork lengths are 120-140mm. I know Canfield will void your warranty on the Riot with a fork over 140mm but it's really more about A2C length than actual travel. With our Following's some of us have been running 140's and even 150's with no issues.
    The other fork I'd recommend is the MRP Stage, that's my longer fork of choice. Super supple, super stout, great damper and very adjustable. Love the ramp control! It also takes a 180 rotor directly to the post mounts, no adapter required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    I was told that nothing until 2017. For 2016 all bikes were ordered with build kits. Frame only sales is a very small portion of their volume.
    I just emailed with my inside guy there today. They are currently back ordered on complete bikes and their priority is to fill those needs since they have been focused and transitioning to being a complete bike build company and not a frame only manufacturer/ vendor.
    It'll definitely be later this year before they get caught up and it may very well be next year before they release the frame only.
    This is good for me as I've got a Honzo CR on order and I'm still loving my Following but I've got a soft spot for Intense having owned two Spider 29's prior to The Following. I just wish they would have put ISCG05 mounts on this bike like they did the Spider 275c.
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    I think adjusting an aftermarket 34 29er to 150mm doesn't work since Fox makes the damper's rebound shaft only so long. They likely use the same FIT4 damper parts throughout their range, with some exceptions. I'd say the 29er 36 FIT4 and 27.5 170-180 36 FIT4 are such exceptions, which get special parts that were made to specifically make those models work. Try to make the A2C too long, and the rebound shaft "tops out" on the bottom of the usual FIT4 damper cartridge. Would likely only come into existence as a special custom OE-only model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vice grips View Post
    I deffenty wouldn't have rode my bike today if I didn't have a brand new bike steering back at me. After have a crazy hard day at work two days ago and getting heatstroke I still don't feel right. Top top it off its in the mid 90% with 90% humidity, just nasty!

    I spent almost no time on the suspension but I knew it would be a quick rideonly a 6-6.5 Mile ride but got to climb a 20% dirt road to the trails. It climbs very smooth, I didn't feel any feedback. The trails are dry here but with the heat and humidity are making all the rocks have heavy condensation on them, even the roots were slick. The tire that was on the rear wheel that I slaped on the primer was a worn out low profile fast rolling tire making some exciting rear wheel slidouts but still felt composed doing it. The bike was very easy to pump up to speed, and even though I had much easier gear spread i was pushing a much larger grear. I was im pressed by how poppy it was off of rocks and trail features. Also very easy to manual and ride a wheelie. I felt like I could steer the bike from my hips and corners like a smaller wheel bike. The bigger wheels help hide the 130 mm of travel(I've been mostly riding 160-170mm bikes) but I'd really like to try a 140-150mm fork since the seat tube is so steap. That's about all I can give you from such a short ride. Im 6'1.5" with long arms. I had a 50mm stem and 785 bars. I'd maybe like to try a 35 stem and 800mm bars just to be silly but im going to leave as is for now. I leave a better review after I get a real tire on the back and my carbon front wheel put together. Im very excited about this bike. With the weight, 12 speed drive train, and balanced feel of the bike it's going to back for a fun do every thing kind of bike well 90% of every thing Click image for larger version. 

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    What's the MSRP on the Pro model?

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    Pro MSRP $6990.00
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    Looked deeper into adjusting a 29er 34 to 150mm. Apparently you can chop the top out bumper (20mm long) in half, to squeeze more travel out of a 140mm air shaft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridnw/bear View Post
    cblesius - How tall are you? I am 6'3" with a 34" inseam. I have a XL on order. I have always had Intenses in size large so a little concerned about it riding "big". I see you have the seatpost lowered as much as possible. Hows that working?
    Did you have a chance to sit on one of these? This bike has a very long reach, I thought the Carbine was long but this is even longer. I would try and find a Large to sit on, because we have a who is 6'2 ish who thinks the large is perfect. I am 6'5 with only a 32in inseam and I am all reach and the XL is perfect for me.

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    My review of the Primer

    http://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/pi...r-1020249.html

    I have demoed the following bikes in the last 12 months.

    Intense Carbine
    Ibis Ripley LS
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    Intense Primer

    The Primer pedaled as well as the Ripley LS but has more travel. What's not to like :-)

    The Primer and Ripley LS are at the top of my list

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    Quote Originally Posted by cblesius View Post
    Why couldn't you get one? You mean just a frame?
    Yes, just a frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vice grips View Post
    Pro MSRP $6990.00
    Nice looking bikes, but for this price I would expect Fox Factory suspension.

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    Edited because the ****ing shitty insurance company is taking every word on the forum said to weasel out of a claim.

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    Got my front wheel sorted out and installed on bike. The 35i rim makes the minion look almost plus fatNew Intense Primer 29er!-image.jpg New Intense Primer 29er!-image.jpgordered a 140 air shaft for the 34 and have a 170mm reverb and 180 rotor for the back coming tomorrow hopfully. Does any one have the 180 brake adapter for the rear post mount? Is it the same that would be used for the front, just a 20-23mm spacer? The only other thing that I real want to try is dropping the head angle -.5 to -.1 I've used a CC on a few of my dh bikes but I couldn't get one to ever stay quiet. That will drive me nuts on a trail bike. Anyone have successes with keeping a adjustable HS quite and which one?
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    Well the new bikes look good... I think it's just matter of time before they come out with a new Carbine 29 that's up to 160mm rear travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Robin View Post
    Well the new bikes look good... I think it's just matter of time before they come out with a new Carbine 29 that's up to 160mm rear travel.
    That would be awesome, but that would be a lot of bike!
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    The evil corporation called Specialized released one with 160mm or so travel. While that is a lot of bike, it would make for a killer Enduro or all around bike. Don't know how it would climb but that's when a shock like the Eleven-six would best be used. Hmmm.....

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    cool upgrades...need to find dealer to demo

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    Would anyone be interested in buying the fork and shock off my Factory? Has one ride on right now and may ride this weekend but will be taking off early next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Robin View Post
    The evil corporation called Specialized released one with 160mm or so travel. While that is a lot of bike, it would make for a killer Enduro or all around bike. Don't know how it would climb but that's when a shock like the Eleven-six would best be used. Hmmm.....

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    160mm is a lot to climb on. You can hit the switch but with a fully locked-out shock, it sucks on anything but a fire road. The HD3 is a pretty efficient 27.5 but I'm not sure I even want that much travel, given all the climbing around here. Sure, it will be great on the DH but the long climbs are where I suffer and I need an efficient pedaling bike (without the switch).

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    Cha'Ching

    Since these new bikes are A LOT of $$$$ I did an analysis and if you purchase the Primer you are paying a premium.

    Example

    Budget……..
    Primer foundation (Sram NX) = $5,328
    Hightower (Sram NX) =$3,599
    Ripley = $3,999 (no dropper post add $400 but has the high end carbon)

    And…….

    Primer (Shimano XT) = $6,890
    Hightower (Sram Eagle) = $6,599
    Ripley (Shimano XT) = $5,599

    YIKES!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    Since these new bikes are A LOT of $$$$ I did an analysis and if you purchase the Primer you are paying a premium.

    Example

    Budget……..
    Primer foundation (Sram NX) = $5,328
    Hightower (Sram NX) =$3,599
    Ripley = $3,999 (no dropper post add $400 nut has the high end carbon)

    And…….
    Primer (Shimano XT) = $6,890
    Hightower (Sram Eagle) = $6,599
    Ripley (Shimano XT) = $5,599

    YIKES!!
    Y'all have fun with that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    Since these new bikes are A LOT of $$$$ I did an analysis and if you purchase the Primer you are paying a premium.

    Example

    Budget……..
    Primer foundation (Sram NX) = $5,328
    Hightower (Sram NX) =$3,599
    Ripley = $3,999 (no dropper post add $400 nut has the high end carbon)

    And…….
    Primer (Shimano XT) = $6,890
    Hightower (Sram Eagle) = $6,599
    Ripley (Shimano XT) = $5,599

    YIKES!!
    They Primer Foundation is $4,599 USA. Are you doing a Euro conversion of some sort?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    Since these new bikes are A LOT of $$$$ I did an analysis and if you purchase the Primer you are paying a premium.

    Example

    Budget……..
    Primer foundation (Sram NX) = $5,328
    Hightower (Sram NX) =$3,599
    Ripley = $3,999 (no dropper post add $400 nut has the high end carbon)

    And…….
    Primer (Shimano XT) = $6,890
    Hightower (Sram Eagle) = $6,599
    Ripley (Shimano XT) = $5,599

    YIKES!!
    Ya these prices are way off.

    As far as the foundation vs. that Hightower $3599 goes, the Hightower is less but it doesnt have a dropper and I'd take a Pike any day over a FOX Rhythm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cblesius View Post
    Would anyone be interested in buying the fork and shock off my Factory? Has one ride on right now and may ride this weekend but will be taking off early next week.
    #1 reason I would never buy a complete bike. Fox on the factory build? Should barely make it to the base model if at all. Forced to get their specs based on profits? Frame only or will be happy to support another brand. Gl with the sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus1029 View Post
    #1 reason I would never buy a complete bike. Fox on the factory build? Should barely make it to the base model if at all. Forced to get their specs based on profits? Frame only or will be happy to support another brand. Gl with the sale.
    Well, performance for the price and marketability are pretty key to sales. If you feel you can run a successful profitable business, please enlighten us how you would spec it, or at least why you wouldn't spec Fox. I figure there's a lot more behind the scenes that only the management knows, or it could just be something simple as supply chain conveniences and taking the easier path.

    Figure you have the benefit of the doubt to explain yourself, before people become presumptuous in believing you're closed minded and prejudiced against Fox... do you know something others don't regarding this, that you are able to share?

    I've come to trust product managers and the base spec on bikes to at least be reliable. I do also see that by the times bikes hit the shops, the designers are already working on stuff that's due to be released in a couple more years, and it's difficult to try and be ahead of the curve, compared to the competition, regarding current trends. What do you see is the hot new Fox alternative right now, that makes Fox seem barely suited to base level models?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCWages View Post
    They Primer Foundation is $4,599 USA. Are you doing a Euro conversion of some sort?
    Yes I did a conversion.

    So it is only $1,000 overpriced.

    Bummer because it is a great bike but there is no way it is worth $1,000 more than other bikes in the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    Well, performance for the price and marketability are pretty key to sales. If you feel you can run a successful profitable business, please enlighten us how you would spec it, or at least why you wouldn't spec Fox. I figure there's a lot more behind the scenes that only the management knows, or it could just be something simple as supply chain conveniences and taking the easier path.

    Figure you have the benefit of the doubt to explain yourself, before people become presumptuous in believing you're closed minded and prejudiced against Fox... do you know something others don't regarding this, that you are able to share?

    I've come to trust product managers and the base spec on bikes to at least be reliable. I do also see that by the times bikes hit the shops, the designers are already working on stuff that's due to be released in a couple more years, and it's difficult to try and be ahead of the curve, compared to the competition, regarding current trends. What do you see is the hot new Fox alternative right now, that makes Fox seem barely suited to base level models?
    I have ridden the new Fox stuff and it is fantastic.

    Some of their past offerings were.....well....less than good😀

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    Quote Originally Posted by vice grips View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by vice grips View Post
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    I have riding buddies that have last gens carbon E29er and they are total rippers. We big all mountain rides lots of jumps and dh tracks with a lot of climbing, but they are always reaching down for the climb switch as we start going up. I want a bike that will climb with out any switches
    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer View Post
    160mm is a lot to climb on. You can hit the switch but with a fully locked-out shock, it sucks on anything but a fire road. The HD3 is a pretty efficient 27.5 but I'm not sure I even want that much travel, given all the climbing around here. Sure, it will be great on the DH but the long climbs are where I suffer and I need an efficient pedaling bike (without the switch).
    I had the previous gen E29 for a while and it was definitely an "active" climber. I actually rode it in Trail mode almost everywhere including descending. Compare that to my Nomad where I only ever touch the climb switch on one local 14% road climb and I climb a decent amount every week. Rumor is that the new E29 climbs very well though. It is important to remember that with any modern suspension design it really is up to the designer what trade offs they want to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by morpheus1029 View Post
    #1 reason I would never buy a complete bike. Fox on the factory build? Should barely make it to the base model if at all. Forced to get their specs based on profits? Frame only or will be happy to support another brand. Gl with the sale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cblesius View Post
    Ya these prices are way off.

    As far as the foundation vs. that Hightower $3599 goes, the Hightower is less but it doesnt have a dropper and I'd take a Pike any day over a FOX Rhythm.
    Good point on the dropper....that would add $400 or so. Never ridden the Fox Rhythm.....the Pike is a great fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer View Post
    160mm is a lot to climb on. You can hit the switch but with a fully locked-out shock, it sucks on anything but a fire road. The HD3 is a pretty efficient 27.5 but I'm not sure I even want that much travel, given all the climbing around here. Sure, it will be great on the DH but the long climbs are where I suffer and I need an efficient pedaling bike (without the switch).
    While I agree it would make a lot of bike to grind up hills, I'm convinced as long as the wheelbase isn't out there, geometry is still reasonable, the frame's suspension is tuned properly by Intense and you have a nicely tuned shock, you could end up with an unreal bike!!

    I'm just afraid that whatever Intense releases down the road, it won't be compatible with my 142x12 rear hub, which I just got with carbon rims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    Yes I did a conversion.

    So it is only $1,000 overpriced.

    Bummer because it is a great bike but there is no way it is worth $1,000 more than other bikes in the market.
    Seeing as you feel most interested in comparing to the hightower, if you look a the Hightower C S build it is the same price and very comparable. You also made the comparison between the Eagle HT and XT Primer but actually the Eagle HT and Pro build Primer are almost the same price and I actually like the Pro build on the Primer better.

    Now here is where it gets interesting, if you compare top of the line the Factory Primer is quite a bit cheaper than an XX1 HT w/ Enve's. Now I am not the best person to compare Enve M60's to the DT Carbon wheel but the DT's feel great to me. But I would have to say the suspension edge between the two definitely goes to the Primer as I would choose 2017 Fox Factory suspension over RS any day and for some reason the HT XX1 comes with an X01 cassette and aluminum rail saddle vs. the Primer which is a full XX1 drivetrain and has a carbon rail saddle.

    I am not trying to say which is better I just think there was a little more to that comparison.

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    YA only time I with the nomad in trail mode is on a paved road climb rest of the time the monarch is in descend, such a great climbing bike. Funny you talked about your climbing Brett told me he rode with you the other day and could hang on the climbs. Im glad you talked some sense into him about tire pressure lol.

    So SP are you going to jump ship and pick up a recluse? It's funny I was thinking about you when I read about the new firebird. That looks like a fun bike very nomad like much more argo and new geo of course but looks to be as capable. My friend that owns a pivot dealer is practically begging me to order one. Very tempting
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    I am not trying to say which is better I just think there was a little more to that comparison.[/QUOTE]

    Thanks for the response. As pointed out earlier some of my numbers were off because at the time I was converting info from a Europen site.

    Taking out the preference of Fox vs. RS or SRAM vs. Shimano you are still paying a premium for the Primer.

    Primer Expert. Shimano XT / Pike RC = $5,899

    Hightower. SRAM GX / Pike RC = $4,599

    The Shimano XT groupo is going for $325 and the GX is a bit more but close.

    There are other components that are different between the two that could change things a bit....but not allot.

    That's a $1,300 difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Robin View Post
    While I agree it would make a lot of bike to grind up hills, I'm convinced as long as the wheelbase isn't out there, geometry is still reasonable, the frame's suspension is tuned properly by Intense and you have a nicely tuned shock, you could end up with an unreal bike!!

    I'm just afraid that whatever Intense releases down the road, it won't be compatible with my 142x12 rear hub, which I just got with carbon rims.
    I don't see anyone releasing 142x12 in the future, especially Intense. It's one of the reasons I've been laying low on this new crop of bikes. I don't want to spend the $$$ on a new hub and re-build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    I don't see anyone releasing 142x12 in the future, especially Intense. It's one of the reasons I've been laying low on this new crop of bikes. I don't want to spend the $$$ on a new hub and re-build.
    I've got a few nice wheel sets in 142x12. I'd just convert it with a Boostinator. The re-dish will actually help the wheel some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    I've got a few nice wheel sets in 142x12. I'd just convert it with a Boostinator. The re-dish will actually help the wheel some.
    My only problem is that my rear wheel is a CL instead of 6 bolt. I'm sure I could use an adapter even though it's not technically compatible.

    I won't be in the market at all until a frame only option exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    My only problem is that my rear wheel is a CL instead of 6 bolt. I'm sure I could use an adapter even though it's not technically compatible.

    I won't be in the market at all until a frame only option exists.

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    Oh yeah CL, a CL/ 6 bolt adapter with the boost adapter, not the cleanest but it would work. Which wheels do you have on the Ripley?
    I'm with ya on the frame only, I'm in that same boat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    Oh yeah CL, a CL/ 6 bolt adapter with the boost adapter, not the cleanest but it would work. Which wheels do you have on the Ripley?
    I'm with ya on the frame only, I'm in that same boat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    I am not trying to say which is better I just think there was a little more to that comparison.
    Thanks for the response. As pointed out earlier some of my numbers were off because at the time I was converting info from a Europen site.

    Taking out the preference of Fox vs. RS or SRAM vs. Shimano you are still paying a premium for the Primer.

    Primer Expert. Shimano XT / Pike RC = $5,899

    Hightower. SRAM GX / Pike RC = $4,599

    The Shimano XT groupo is going for $325 and the GX is a bit more but close.

    There are other components that are different between the two that could change things a bit....but not allot.

    That's a $1,300 difference.[/QUOTE]

    I agree. Now compare the Pro model with the Eagle X01 SC HT and it's only about 400-500 over priced. 6500-6600 would be a more realistic price for the Pro model and might keep some buyers from holding out for the frame only option. Any chances of a price adjustment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
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    You've had those on a few bikes correct? It's not like you need boost to stiffen up those wheels. That's the same with my wheel quiver, all very sturdy but light wheels 1495g to 1640g, oh except my I9 Dually's they're around 2kg but those don't are dedicated to the 29+ bike.


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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    You've had those on a few bikes correct? It's not like you need boost to stiffen up those wheels. That's the same with my wheel quiver, all very sturdy but light wheels 1495g to 1640g, oh except my I9 Dually's they're around 2kg but those don't are dedicated to the 29+ bike.


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    Yeah, they've been put to good use for sure. I've thought about just doing a 30mm or so ID rim for the rear wheel and just get a boost hub when the time is right to make the jump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    Yeah, they've been put to good use for sure. I've thought about just doing a 30mm or so ID rim for the rear wheel and just get a boost hub when the time is right to make the jump.

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    That's a good idea, you don't need as much width in the back and especially if you run 2.2 to smaller 2.3 tires in back. There's not really much need for front boost with good carbon wheels in my opinion unless you're looking for increased tire clearance for + tires.
    I've got a boost front in the SRAM PS/ Derby 35 wheel to work with my RS-1, which happens to fit a 29x3.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    I won't be in the market at all until a frame only option exists.

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    I'm not really a bike flipper compared to some here. I'm one to tweak and really work at dialing in my bikes to get the most out of them. I'm very content with my Following overall but I have loved my Intense bikes and would not have an issue throwing a leg over this Primer when it's available as a frame only.
    On another note I finally listed my beloved '12 Spider 29AL. It's just been sitting for a year and it needs to be ridden. http://classifieds.mtbr.com/showprod...ct=105251&cat=
    My only real reservation on this bike is the lack of the ISCG05 mounts. The SpiderC had them the new Spider 275c, ACV and Recluse have them. I asked Sam what's up, seems like a miss here for what a couple ounces of weight and a little cost on Intense's end (they couldn't really charge more for them so it'd just affect the GM on the bike). The reason I'm so insistent in the mounts is to run a guard and guide while you're at it. Having ridden slack, long and low 29ers for a while you just end up getting into places where you really need the guard for protection. The guard on my Following has saved me plenty of grief for sure.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Chicane32 View Post
    I agree. Now compare the Pro model with the Eagle X01 SC HT and it's only about 400-500 over priced. 6500-6600 would be a more realistic price for the Pro model and might keep some buyers from holding out for the frame only option. Any chances of a price adjustment?
    Just weighed a Medium Pro Primer and it's a pound lighter than what SC lists the Eagle HT at and I'm sure that's worth $400 to someone. At the end of the day it all comes down to preference, the primer probably climbs better where the HT may be a bit more comfortable downhill although my Primer feels pretty darn fast dh. Maybe the Primer is actually the one priced correctly and HT is under priced

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    Quote Originally Posted by cblesius View Post
    Just weighed a Medium Pro Primer and it's a pound lighter than what SC lists the Eagle HT at and I'm sure that's worth $400 to someone. At the end of the day it all comes down to preference, the primer probably climbs better where the HT may be a bit more comfortable downhill although my Primer feels pretty darn fast dh. Maybe the Primer is actually the one priced correctly and HT is under priced
    That weight is entirely in the tires (and I'll take the Minions all day long). The frame weights are probably within a quarter of a pound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vice grips View Post
    YA only time I with the nomad in trail mode is on a paved road climb rest of the time the monarch is in descend, such a great climbing bike. Funny you talked about your climbing Brett told me he rode with you the other day and could hang on the climbs. Im glad you talked some sense into him about tire pressure lol.

    So SP are you going to jump ship and pick up a recluse? It's funny I was thinking about you when I read about the new firebird. That looks like a fun bike very nomad like much more argo and new geo of course but looks to be as capable. My friend that owns a pivot dealer is practically begging me to order one. Very tempting
    I am sure I will try out the Recluse at some point. Definitely one of the best executed bikes available right now at least on paper. They just nailed every aspect of it.

    I do have an E29 on order but may change it to the SB55c. My dealer is going to do some checking on the compatibility of larger chainrings. Some of the analysis done is showing that it might be designed around a 28T front ring which if true would be absolutely idiotic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    That weight is entirely in the tires (and I'll take the Minions all day long). The frame weights are probably within a quarter of a pound.
    Primer Expert. Shimano XT / Pike RC = $5,899 (30 lbs in Large).

    Hightower. SRAM GX / Pike RC = $4,599 (31 lbs in XL).

    I rode the Hightower yesterday and it is a fun bike! It was a 29'er and not 27.5 plus.

    The 27.5 plus is a nice option but doesn't interest me at all.

    Now the Primer going from 115-130....
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    Full ride report:

    Today I was able to get out for a ride on trails I am used to and I was beyond blown away. My last bike I rode was a 2016 Carbine Factory which I thought was the best bike I had ever ridden until today. The bike climbs really well, I am a pretty bad climber anyways so I am not the best person to judge this aspect but last week on my first ride I was definitely climbing better than I have before.

    The first place where this bike really shined for me was trail riding. Now being fast on rolling fire roads I'm sure is pointless to most but this bike accelerates and gets up to speed so fast and I am able to maintain and ride at a much higher rate of speed than I ever have before.

    However, where this bike surprised me most is how lighting fast it goes down. I rode one of my local trails that I probably know best today and am not sure I have ever gone so fast. But the craziest thing was that it wasn't sketchy fast, I always felt like I was in complete control which was really awesome. In the turns it was so quick and so easy to lean over and really get into.

    I can't wait to put more miles on this bike and see what else it can do. Everyone seems really hung up on the price which is too bad because this is a truly remarkable machine.

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    Boy Howdy those are some pretty bikes Thanks for the ride report. I was super pleased with the "old" Spider Comp and I'm sure the Primer is the bee's knees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    Boy Howdy those are some pretty bikes Thanks for the ride report. I was super pleased with the "old" Spider Comp and I'm sure the Primer is the bee's knees.
    Sounds like you better get one, and tell me that I need it too because I'm on the edge of my desk, credit card in hand ready to pull the trigger haha.

    Just waiting to see what else is on the horizon in the next month or so (Potential Knolly 29er release?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by slider_phil View Post
    Sounds like you better get one, and tell me that I need it too because I'm on the edge of my desk, credit card in hand ready to pull the trigger haha.

    Just waiting to see what else is on the horizon in the next month or so (Potential Knolly 29er release?)
    You're not the only one!

    We rode Northstar Bike Park on Sunday. Jeni on her new Recluse, me on my Spider 275c and a LBS owner on his orange Primer. People in the lift lines were drooling and asking if they could touch the bikes. I'm not kidding. It was rather funny how caught up we get on these shiny new toys.

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    I'll definitely plan on a demo...and that may throw my current thoughts out of the window My primary concern (and this is with any new 29er) is that as they get slacker, they get longer and harder to take through the tight switchbacks. My medium Spider has a WB of just over 45".

    The 27.5s are getting longer and longer too. Maybe I'll keep my Spider and focus on a more nimble 27.5 bike (like the HD3?) though the Primer looks like a fantastic replacement for my Spider. Decisions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyer View Post
    I'll definitely plan on a demo...and that may throw my current thoughts out of the window My primary concern (and this is with any new 29er) is that as they get slacker, they get longer and harder to take through the tight switchbacks. My medium Spider has a WB of just over 45".

    The 27.5s are getting longer and longer too. Maybe I'll keep my Spider and focus on a more nimble 27.5 bike (like the HD3?) though the Primer looks like a fantastic replacement for my Spider. Decisions...
    The Primer, Pivot Switchblade and SC Hightower all carve up tight switchbacks. Been riding 29'ers for well over 10 years and it took that long to get the geo right. This new crop of bikes are fantastic compared to the Carbine, SC Tallboy LT and so on.......

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    It has been 18 hours. When are these getting on your sweet bike!

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    Disclaimer: I'm a huge fan of the Yeti switch infinity suspension and think the SB5C is the best bike I've ever owned. However, I'm thinking about getting a zippy 29er to compliment my 27.5 bike.

    I went and rode (not demo-d) the Yeti SB4.5C and a new Intense Primer back to back. The shop where I went luckily has adjacent roads (paved) that go uphill. I might add that I had just finished a 20 mile MTB ride on my personal bike where I concentrated on hills.

    Both bikes had the X01 build with aluminum, wider, flatter bars than I build my bikes with but with that being said, neither bike felt like it climbed as smooth and zippity as my previous Yeti SB5 but the biggest surprise was how "dead" the 4.5C suspension felt vs the Primer. I'd obviously want to ride them on dirt first but if I was forced to make a decision today, that Primer wins hands down, going away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nels View Post
    I've currently got a Spider 29c with 140 Pike, which seems pretty close geo wise...can anyone compare and contrast the ride and handling differences between these two bikes?
    I have a riding buddy (60 years old by the way) who has the Spider 29C and just went and test rode the Primer last weekend. He said they felt similar but thought the Primer climbed better and had a slightly better feel. He's big into geo numbers. FWIW, he also has a YT Capra and rides that 90% of the time. The Spider gets very little play time.
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    Didn't get a chance to reduce the fork but here's a sneak peak.

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    Curious about water bottle clearance with the Float X if you get the chance! Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by slider_phil View Post
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    Yea same here....

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    Didn't get a chance to reduce the fork but here's a sneak peak.
    Looks great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    I have a riding buddy (60 years old by the way) who has the Spider 29C and just went and test rode the Primer last weekend. He said they felt similar but thought the Primer climbed better and had a slightly better feel. He's big into geo numbers. FWIW, he also has a YT Capra and rides that 90% of the time. The Spider gets very little play time.
    Yikes. I have Spider 29C and a Capra. The 29C climbs amazing - best full sus bike I've had for climbing so now you have me wanting to try a primer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Works has been quiet in the past for me
    Yea the works anglesets are quiet. Problem with them is the bearings do rust quickly. You need to dissemble and grease the bearings twice as often to keep it sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    Yea the works anglesets are quiet. Problem with them is the bearings do rust quickly. You need to dissemble and grease the bearings twice as often to keep it sweet.
    After my first set of black oxide bearings rusted on my CC Angleset 4 years ago I switched to the 110 stainless steel bearings. That's all I run now in the Anglesets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCWages View Post
    According to Jake they chose a different travel fork travel for the Factory/Pro vs. the Expert/Foundation to keep the geometry the same.

    "The Axle to crown height on a 140mm pike is the same as a 130mm fox.
    The Primer 29 was built around a 130mm fork. With that in mind putting a 130mm pike on the Foundation / Expert bike would change the geo. And the head tube angle would be way too steep."

    They did the same thing for the Spider 275c. I was confused by this at first until it was explained. Thanks Jake!
    Anyone got the latest on this? This is clearly wrong - a pike is longer than a fox 34. For this statement to be correct they would need to be putting a 130 fox and a 120 pike on the foundation/expert, not a 140...

    Maybe the factory/pro is aimed more at XC racing, where people want a steeper HA and the foundation/expert is aimed at more general trail users?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richt2000 View Post
    Anyone got the latest on this? This is clearly wrong - a pike is longer than a fox 34. For this statement to be correct they would need to be putting a 130 fox and a 120 pike on the foundation/expert, not a 140...

    Maybe the factory/pro is aimed more at XC racing, where people want a steeper HA and the foundation/expert is aimed at more general trail users?
    That would be my guess on this. Pike 140 a2c= 551mm Fox 34 130 a2c= 537mm. The lighter, higher end of the factory build would lend it to be more of an endurance race bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    That would be my guess on this. Pike 140 a2c= 551mm Fox 34 130 a2c= 537mm. The lighter, higher end of the factory build would lend it to be more of an endurance race bike.
    Its the only logical explaination....

    Do we know what the a-C measurement is for the geo charts? I mean, if its based on the 130 fox then the pike 140 is going to mean a nice slack 66.5 head angle...

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    New Intense Primer 29er!

    I don't think Intense includes that on their geo charts. It would be nice to include but you could take the stack height minus the head tube and headset stack to arrive at the fork a2c.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vice grips View Post
    Got my front wheel sorted out and installed on bike. The 35i rim makes the minion look almost plus fat
    How is the tire clearance in the rear, does the 2.5 WT fit?

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    I havent had a 2.5 on there yet but there's tons of room in there with the DHR 2.3 on derby 35mm rims. I don't have any doubt that a 2.5 would fit. I've been told that a 2.8 is to big, but man it looks close


    The primer continues to impress. The pro model stock delivers an amazing xc/trail bike fast, snappy, fun! ......BUT..... I take my bikes into the realm of "that bike wasn't designed for this kind of riding" I was having way to many close calls riding the stock bike on the trails most would want a 6-7" bike on. Ok that's a no brainier right? The primer isn't a 6" endro bike. Plus the primer generates so much speed at the drop of one or two pedle strokes or even just coasting that it was getting way to frequent that I was getting into situations that I could really end up on the ground. So do I need a different bike for at least these trail? Because every thing else the primer is out of this world. Nope I just needed to switch up a few things. First "I" need as much of a dropper as you can give and than I want some more. My pro came with a 125mm, sorry that's not going to cut it! Second I need strong brakes. I've had saints or XT with 8" rotors on my last dosen bikes. The levels with 180/160 rotors were no way strong enough to stop me with how fast this bike can go, especially with the seat to high riding on steap shoots leading into nasty chunder. I had some glides that I put on the front and a a 180 rotor on the rear. Still need to put glides on the rear. But over all much better. Third i needed a slacker head angle. I wasn't really barreling through all the forks travel but I had it set a little firmer than I wanted to. But I felt I wanted to bump the travel up to 140 and it was cheaper to do an air shaft in the fork than an angle headset. I feel so much confidant on the steeper sections with that little change to the fork. So three kind of minor tweaks 170 reverb,140mm fork, stronger brakes turn the bike from a xc wonder to a speed trail destorer. The bike is so much fun, if you like going fast. The changes don't effect the climbing at all, in some ways its helped with the higher bb. I find myself riding alone more and more on this bike even though I'm riding with some one when im in the front. I've been told a few times after a few turns i start to drop them and after a few more they can't see me any more. I feel like I'm hold back from going all out. The same can be said climbing. I cleaned a two mile climb I've never been able to string together before and a few parts I've always had to walk. I know the 50t saved me a few times but so many time I feel like I'm not working very hard to ride at the pace set by others. I have a few more ideas I'd like to try, even though I haven't come close to reaching its limits the way it is. Very very happy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vice grips View Post
    I havent had a 2.5 on there yet but there's tons of room in there with the DHR 2.3 on derby 35mm rims. I don't have any doubt that a 2.5 would fit. I've been told that a 2.8 is to big, but man it looks close


    The primer continues to impress. The pro model stock delivers an amazing xc/trail bike fast, snappy, fun! ......BUT..... I take my bikes into the realm of "that bike wasn't designed for this kind of riding" I was having way to many close calls riding the stock bike on the trails most would want a 6-7" bike on. Ok that's a no brainier right? The primer isn't a 6" endro bike. Plus the primer generates so much speed at the drop of one or two pedle strokes or even just coasting that it was getting way to frequent that I was getting into situations that I could really end up on the ground. So do I need a different bike for at least these trail? Because every thing else the primer is out of this world. Nope I just needed to switch up a few things. First "I" need as much of a dropper as you can give and than I want some more. My pro came with a 125mm, sorry that's not going to cut it! Second I need strong brakes. I've had saints or XT with 8" rotors on my last dosen bikes. The levels with 180/160 rotors were no way strong enough to stop me with how fast this bike can go, especially with the seat to high riding on steap shoots leading into nasty chunder. I had some glides that I put on the front and a a 180 rotor on the rear. Still need to put glides on the rear. But over all much better. Third i needed a slacker head angle. I wasn't really barreling through all the forks travel but I had it set a little firmer than I wanted to. But I felt I wanted to bump the travel up to 140 and it was cheaper to do an air shaft in the fork than an angle headset. I feel so much confidant on the steeper sections with that little change to the fork. So three kind of minor tweaks 170 reverb,140mm fork, stronger brakes turn the bike from a xc wonder to a speed trail destorer. The bike is so much fun, if you like going fast. The changes don't effect the climbing at all, in some ways its helped with the higher bb. I find myself riding alone more and more on this bike even though I'm riding with some one when im in the front. I've been told a few times after a few turns i start to drop them and after a few more they can't see me any more. I feel like I'm hold back from going all out. The same can be said climbing. I cleaned a two mile climb I've never been able to string together before and a few parts I've always had to walk. I know the 50t saved me a few times but so many time I feel like I'm not working very hard to ride at the pace set by others. I have a few more ideas I'd like to try, even though I haven't come close to reaching its limits the way it is. Very very happy!
    Good info! I have had mine for a couple weeks now and would echo all of your comments. The 125mm post and the 160mm rotor is completely inadequate. I also am awaiting a 140mm airshaft which I am hoping it will only add to the descending side which is surprisingly good for only 130mm in the front. The Primer is my first 29er as I have been reluctant to jump on the wagon wheels due to most of the past designs having steeper head angles and too XCish handling for me. The Primer has surprised me. I am faster at everything on the Primer. I expected it to climb better than my Spider 275c but it also is fun to DH on although I sometimes surprise myself at how quickly I have gained speed. That is also the time where I realize that the Sram Level brakes with a 160 rear rotor is not going to stop me in time. It also exposes the need for a larger dropper. The Primer is very playful much like the Spider. Comparing the Spider to the Primer is kinda interesting. They are very similar other than the obvious. This is where I am finding the back to back rides the most entertaining. Comparing the two wheel sizes has pretty much confirmed my thoughts on the two. We have a good mix of rougher, rockier trails where the Primer shines but we also have many urban trail systems that are flowy sometimes tight and hardpack dirt. This is where the Spider is just too fun. I read on the Intense site that Brian Lopes will grab the Spider for most of his riding and I can see why. The Spider is just enough bike but not more than you need. The Primer is the same but sometimes the big wheel is just too much.
    More later after I ride this rocket ship a little more.

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    I am going to demo one in a few weeks. i tried the Following and the Spinder 29C last year, i came away liking the 29C more but wanting a little more bike, i hope the Primer is the one i have been waiting for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas View Post
    I am going to demo one in a few weeks. i tried the Following and the Spinder 29C last year, i came away liking the 29C more but wanting a little more bike, i hope the Primer is the one i have been waiting for.
    More of what exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    More of what exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridnw/bear View Post
    Good info! I have had mine for a couple weeks now and would echo all of your comments. The 125mm post and the 160mm rotor is completely inadequate. I also am awaiting a 140mm airshaft which I am hoping it will only add to the descending side which is surprisingly good for only 130mm in the front. The Primer is my first 29er as I have been reluctant to jump on the wagon wheels due to most of the past designs having steeper head angles and too XCish handling for me. The Primer has surprised me. I am faster at everything on the Primer. I expected it to climb better than my Spider 275c but it also is fun to DH on although I sometimes surprise myself at how quickly I have gained speed. That is also the time where I realize that the Sram Level brakes with a 160 rear rotor is not going to stop me in time. It also exposes the need for a larger dropper. The Primer is very playful much like the Spider. Comparing the Spider to the Primer is kinda interesting. They are very similar other than the obvious. This is where I am finding the back to back rides the most entertaining. Comparing the two wheel sizes has pretty much confirmed my thoughts on the two. We have a good mix of rougher, rockier trails where the Primer shines but we also have many urban trail systems that are flowy sometimes tight and hardpack dirt. This is where the Spider is just too fun. I read on the Intense site that Brian Lopes will grab the Spider for most of his riding and I can see why. The Spider is just enough bike but not more than you need. The Primer is the same but sometimes the big wheel is just too much.
    More later after I ride this rocket ship a little more.
    B Lopes is also about 5'8" tall....makes sense the smaller wheels work better for him.

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    Another Spec Typo?

    This is for the Pro model

    DT Swss M1700 SPLINE® 29" BOOST
    Hubs 28 Hole DT Swiss 340 ; 110 x15mm Front Hub; 148x12 BOOST Rear Hub w/ XD Driver, centerlock
    Rims DT Swiss M 1700 SPLINE® 2, 29" BOOST, Tubeless Ready
    Spokes DT Competition 2.0/1.8/2.0

    Do the wheels actually have centerlock hubs with Sram brakes?

    **edit** I see that there is an adapter for IS

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    No. The DT Swiss hubs are 6 bolt. The engagement on these hubs is really bad. Recommend buying the 36 point engagement upgrade if planning to keep these wheels. I am used to I9 hubs so there is a HUGE difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ridnw/bear View Post
    No. The DT Swiss hubs are 6 bolt. The engagement on these hubs is really bad. Recommend buying the 36 point engagement upgrade if planning to keep these wheels. I am used to I9 hubs so there is a HUGE difference.
    Great thanks for the clarification. I do plan on building up a new set of wheels.

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    I'll echo the comment about bigger brakes. I have XTs on my C29 with 203mm in front and 180 in rear. I feel like I have more control when I'm blasting down and hanging on. I'm considering getting Saint brakes (or at least the calipers) and going back down to 180 front and rear.

    Allthough my Reverb is only a 4" drop and I find it ok on my medium frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas View Post
    I am going to demo one in a few weeks. i tried the Following and the Spinder 29C last year, i came away liking the 29C more but wanting a little more bike, i hope the Primer is the one i have been waiting for.
    I'm curious what exactly did you like about the Spider over the Following. I've had 2 Spiders 29's and am currently on The Following. The Following is what I was wanting the Spiders to be, slacker, lower and snappier. The Primer is closer to the Following than it is to the Spider 29c. All three of these bikes punch way bigger than they look on paper but it's dependent on how you set them up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas View Post
    The 130mm Revelation just didnt have the magic of a 140mm Pike
    Your talking fork not bike. Change the fork or buy a frame and build it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manitou2200 View Post
    I'm curious what exactly did you like about the Spider over the Following. I've had 2 Spiders 29's and am currently on The Following. The Following is what I was wanting the Spiders to be, slacker, lower and snappier. The Primer is closer to the Following than it is to the Spider 29c. All three of these bikes punch way bigger than they look on paper but it's dependent on how you set them up.
    I really liked the following so i hope the Primer shares a lot of its characteristics, however the Intense bikes just seem to fit me better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas View Post
    I really liked the following so i hope the Primer shares a lot of its characteristics, however the Intense bikes just seem to fit me better.
    I would think that you'll really like the Primer then with its steeper seat tube, similar reach and slightly longer chain stays than the Following.
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    New Intense Primer 29er!-img_3307.jpg


    Not sure which of these is more fun.


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    Got my Factory Transfer installed and I finally feel like this build is done.

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    Beautiful build. Still keen to know if a water bottle will fit in there with the Float X 😉

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    That looks awesome. Congrats. Bikes are more fun than cars. and cheaper tires!!!!!

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    New Intense Primer 29er!-img_3360.jpg

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    I would love to try this bike and see how it compares to the recluse

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    Edited because the ****ing shitty insurance company is taking every word on the forum said to weasel out of a claim.

    DO NOT BUY FROM BIKMO or HISCOX UNDERWRITERS; THEY'RE DISHONEST, LYING AND DEVIOUS INSURERS WHO WILL TAKE YOUR MONEY AND DECIDE AFTER 6 MONTHS OF A CLAIM NOT TO PAY OUT! SCUMBAGS!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by properbikegeek View Post
    One of the best looking bikes I've ever seen!

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    Posted this in the 29er forum, in a dated/inactive thread. Reposting it here:

    Intense stopped by with their demo van for the monthly group ride at JensonUSA that I regularly attend. I took out a Primer Factory med (5' 7") and I figured I'd share the experience:

    Fitting:
    - 150mm Reverb was fully bottomed against the seat collar, but it was a good fit for me (30" pants size, 31.5"/80cm actual leg length).
    - I really liked the reach with Renthal cockpit with I think a ~50mm stem and bars wider at least 740mm wide.
    - They say I'm either a small or med, but I don't think I'd like smaller for how I like to ride (high speed stuff and epic length rides).

    Initial parking lot test:
    - The front end felt tall, but the grips were below the saddle.
    - I've been riding a 27.5 a bit lately, so the wheel being closer to the grips triggered me to re-orient myself.
    - When I stood to pedal, it felt like I was deep in the bike, as if the BB was low.
    - The balance point felt quite a bit more forward than I was accustomed to, like directly between the wheels... it invites you to take a more forward aggressive stance.
    - The suspension, 34 Factory and Float DPS factory, took very little force to get moving. Significantly less than 5 lbs, I'd estimate.
    - They set me up with fairly little sag, maybe 15% front and 25-30% rear, but they told me that their Fox shock doesn't use the full length of the shaft, but still gets 50mm of stroke.

    On the trail:
    - It pedals very well. Rivals the best bikes I've ridden, including the Yeti SB suspension. Better than the old Ripley V1. When I felt like passing people on hills, it responded very well to my efforts. Loved it.
    - Not sure what it is, but this is the second time Schwalbe tires didn't feel super sketchy in super dry loose-over-hard in Cali drought stricken conditions. The first time was when I rode an Ibis with their 941 rims. These have DT XMC 1200 rims.
    - The forward balance point responds very well to Fabien Barel style cornering techniques (lean the bike, not the body). I was getting some 2 wheeled drifts when I was able to get open trail to let go of the brakes, and felt like I could've held them much longer if I got used to them. I *really REALLY* like how these new JS-tuned Intense bikes corner.
    - No confidence issues on the downs. Was very secure feeling. Even in total pitch dark blackness with only a handlebar light (which was slipping and pointing down), I just kept going at least at my usual pace through these trails.
    - It had decent pop off of jumps, but what set it apart from other bikes is how it landed like a cat. It was super super easy to land with both wheels at the same time for a very quiet, soft landing.

    Overall impression:
    - I really think this forward balance point is the key. Trying to pick up the bike with one hand, it balanced just behind the forward shock mount. On the bike I brought, its balance point is directly above the BB, and likes to be steered with my ass above the saddle, which is intuitive if you are a rider that can balance on the bike with 95% weight on the pedals, and less than 5% on the grips (balancing so you only need the lightest touch on the bars). On the Intense, you can pump actively with the front, rocking your weight forward and back and lofting the bike at demand... it's a lot more forgiving if you have excessive weight on the front, not getting the feel that the front wheel is getting tucked under or twisted up on you.
    - I really like the total package. Everything just worked so smooth. I liked the brakes, the smooth shifter, the grips, the dropper, saddle, everything. The ride experience just felt dialed. Makes me question if I could do a better job spec'ing out a frame with my own spec.
    - It's certainly a tier higher than my E29, which is seriously hard to beat (I've tried a number of bikes since buying it, and still think it's the only keeper in my collection). It's a contender for trail bike of the year, IMO.

    Other notes:
    - The rear axle is an unique one. It's actually like a collet thru-axle, but it has a conical taper that centers itself in the dropout. On the NDS, a 5mm bolt that holds a "conical washer" on the collet-end of the axle. After taking that out, you stick your 5mm allen thru the cap on the driveside, to unthread the axle. I tried to loosen it from the NDS, but the slots/collet just absorbed the torque, resulting in my allen key getting jammed in there (unjam by turning clockwise). I really like it... it's not only making the drop-outs clamp the hub, but also centers itself and pinches itself, to provide a stiffer more solid connection, as if it were part of the frame itself. Was told it was the same system they use on their M16 DH bike.
    - Was impressed by their Spider 275c that I demo'd months back, but I think the 29er wheel makes the experience even better for my tastes. It just responds better to natural neglected ungroomed trail conditions, and doesn't get bogged down as much by all the sand and dust that's collecting due to the drought.
    - Next bike I want to try is the new Niner RIP9 RDO, and maybe the Yeti SB55c. I'm spoiled after riding such a good bike. It's now hard for me to settle for less, even if the price is very compelling, after experiencing a bike so good. Back in my mind, I will be comparing to such a sweet bike.
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    Got mine a couple of weeks ago - managed to get a pre-production factory build that has the pro color (frame on Pro and Factory are identical otherwise). Has all of the factory components (except has XX1 11-speed with RF Next SL Cranks instead of XX1 Eagle). Really loving it and just in time for some cooler temps here in Central Texas. After installation of Ergon grips and crank-bros pedals, weighed in at 25.9lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeZee View Post
    Yes I did a conversion.

    So it is only $1,000 overpriced.

    Bummer because it is a great bike but there is no way it is worth $1,000 more than other bikes in the market.
    I was looking away from the Primer initially because I could have gotten a better Pivot Mach 429 Trail build for much less than I would have had to pay retail for the Primer Pro Build. Does anybody actually pay retail though for a new bike? I ended up getting a smokin' hot deal on a pre-production Primer factory build that had only been ridden a few times.

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    Evening rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by throet View Post
    I was looking away from the Primer initially because I could have gotten a better Pivot Mach 429 Trail build for much less than I would have had to pay retail for the Primer Pro Build. Does anybody actually pay retail though for a new bike? I ended up getting a smokin' hot deal on a pre-production Primer factory build that had only been ridden a few times.
    Nice! Enjoy the ride....

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    Good choice. 429T a big of a funky bike unless your are very small

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post

    Intense stopped by with their demo van for the monthly group ride at JensonUSA that I regularly attend. I took out a Primer Factory med (5' 7") and I figured I'd share the experience:
    Excellent review and interesting details. I'm playing on the ACV right now but I hope to get more seat time on the Primer soon. The pedaling efficiency on these new bikes amazes me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by throet View Post
    Got mine a couple of weeks ago - managed to get a pre-production factory build that has the pro color (frame on Pro and Factory are identical otherwise). Has all of the factory components (except has XX1 11-speed with RF Next SL Cranks instead of XX1 Eagle). Really loving it and just in time for some cooler temps here in Central Texas. After installation of Ergon grips and crank-bros pedals, weighed in at 25.9lbs.
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    Nice! A rare bike indeed.

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    not to hi-jack this thread - but whats the ACV review looking like? I've heard it can run reg 27.5 without jacking the BB height to low, plus the 29... sounds like a real jack of all wheel size kinda bike - i plan to demo soon - but would love to hear from you about your experiences

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamper11 View Post
    not to hi-jack this thread - but whats the ACV review looking like? I've heard it can run reg 27.5 without jacking the BB height to low, plus the 29... sounds like a real jack of all wheel size kinda bike - i plan to demo soon - but would love to hear from you about your experiences
    I'll post something up soon. I've only got one solid ride on it but on a nice variety of terrain types. I love it! I will say that I would never run a non-plus 27.5 tire on it. The BB would be WAY too low. Between suspension sag and tire squash you would clip the pedals on everything.

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