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    DB,

    Is the stiffness of the Sniper T noticeable compared to the original Sniper Trail WITH the cross brace, or are they comparable?

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    I feel the T is noticeably stiffer than the XC+brace, though there are so many variables (wheel/tire choice, suspension setup, trail condition and ride intent etc) that it's hard to make a definitive call. Placebo effect is real, so maybe it's just my belief.

    I will say that based on the super-non-scientific test of grabbing the rear wheel and railing it back and forth while observing flex at seat stays, the T is a bit stiffer. Scale of 1-10, I'd say original XC is a 2, XC+brace is a 7, T is a 9 and comparable to my Ripmo.

    The Sniper T has a different layup, and this is particularly noticeable in the rear triangle. On the T, the gap below the tabs that connect to the top link is filled in. On the XC, those tabs can flex noticeably relative to each other, but that flex is gone in the T.

    I'm 6'3"/190 and ride a lot of pretty techy and steep trails, so entirely possible the difference is irrelevant to other riders. I always felt like the XC kind of shuddered when landing drops or pushing hard through rough turns, like the frame would torque up then spring back. None of that feeling on the T.

    I think the T is a great XC race and general downcountry bike for someone my size. Realistically a bike designed to be as light as possible for a 150lb WC racer is always going to a compromise for us larger guys. More than happy to have an extra pound of frame weight in exchange for much better stiffness and durability. Your view of this tradeoff may be different!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
    Padrefan, nice write-up. Just curious, which axle did you snap? I’ve had more than my share of issues with the Sniper linkage but never did an axle.
    DB--It was the pivot axle right above the BB--which is part #7 on the exploded diagram (the "Axle Upper", I believe). I have a feeling that it just wasn't tightened to spec... one of those things I should have checked, and didn't on the rush to build up.

    I was also able to hit the 'steepest' element on the semi-legal local trails and the Sniper wasn't the issue at all. Super excited to get it up to Tiger Mountain and Raging River.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creativefletch View Post
    Congrats! Grab one of these: https://intensecycles.com/collection...er-cross-brace

    and enjoy your new ripper of a bike.

    Info for European customers:
    I am in third warranty replacement of upper link, so I asked to European Technical Service for the cross brace.
    The answer is that cross brace is not available in Europe, so I have to order it directly to Intense USA (they told me the email address).
    I contacted by email, Intese´s service confirmed me that I have to purchase it (42$, including the shipment) and they are going to sent it from Taiwan to Spain.
    So, when it arrived to Spain, as the shipment comes from Taiwan, I have to pay duty taxes for Europe´s imports, which is 27€ (30$ extra).

    Very good customer service Intense Cycles (Ironic mode ON).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_averias View Post
    Info for European customers:
    I am in third warranty replacement of upper link, so I asked to European Technical Service for the cross brace.
    The answer is that cross brace is not available in Europe, so I have to order it directly to Intense USA (they told me the email address).
    I contacted by email, Intese´s service confirmed me that I have to purchase it (42$, including the shipment) and they are going to sent it from Taiwan to Spain.
    So, when it arrived to Spain, as the shipment comes from Taiwan, I have to pay duty taxes for Europe´s imports, which is 27€ (30$ extra).

    Very good customer service Intense Cycles (Ironic mode ON).
    This in infuriating and unbelievably short sighted. It should be a no-brainer for the European office and Intense. They must give out a brace to anyone who has problems with the link instead of sending link after link after link. There is no scenario where it is sound business practice to make a faulty product, then make a fix, and then not supply this free of charge to all customers. The Norwegian distributor where I got mine, got so fed up with all the red tape and hoops their customers had to go through every time a link failed, and ended up demanding Intense just send them one brace per sold bike, and let Intense solve their logistics/warranty red tape internally after the fact. And so it was done. No reason for any distributors or customers to be humble about this, demand what should have been there from the start.

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    Intense seems to screw there customers and dealers without any remorse......No remorse means they don't have regrets for their actions, normally in conjunction with something they've done or were involved in.
    I Pity The Fool That Can't Ride A Bike Without A Dropper!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom tom View Post
    Intense seems to screw there customers and dealers without any remorse......No remorse means they don't have regrets for their actions, normally in conjunction with something they've done or were involved in.
    As I’ve said before on this thread, I’ve had nothing but positive interactions with Intense’s (USA) customer service. AFAIK the current policy in the US is that if you have problems with your Sniper upper link (e.g. loose bearings) they will warranty the link and also send you a cross-brace, all free.

    My frustrations with the linkage and bearings on the first-gen Sniper XC were numerous (read back through this thread if you have time to kill.) Intense was generally really good to me, always responsive and sent a bunch of replacement parts in a timely manner. You can call or email and get a real person who knows what they’re talking about and will follow up with you. Chappy has been great to deal with.

    With all that said, I agree with Ole that the best way to handle the cross brace would’ve been to just send one to anyone who purchased a gen-1 bike. Maybe there’s some liability issue that made that option unpalatable; they make the brace an “upgrade” rather than a recall/admission of fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
    they make the brace an “upgrade” rather than a recall/admission of fault.
    So that would be a way to once again screw there customer?
    I Pity The Fool That Can't Ride A Bike Without A Dropper!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ole View Post
    This in infuriating and unbelievably short sighted. It should be a no-brainer for the European office and Intense. They must give out a brace to anyone who has problems with the link instead of sending link after link after link. There is no scenario where it is sound business practice to make a faulty product, then make a fix, and then not supply this free of charge to all customers. The Norwegian distributor where I got mine, got so fed up with all the red tape and hoops their customers had to go through every time a link failed, and ended up demanding Intense just send them one brace per sold bike, and let Intense solve their logistics/warranty red tape internally after the fact. And so it was done. No reason for any distributors or customers to be humble about this, demand what should have been there from the start.
    The cross brace can be requested by all customers. As mentioned in the cross brace thread all that has to be done is to submit a warranty claim. This process allows us to track the claim and be in contact with customers about the cross brace and make sure that there are no further issues.

    Our European office is currently being restructured and we are working on providing more support from our US headquarters for that office. This will include a larger selection of inventory and more customer service representation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tom tom View Post
    So that would be a way to once again screw there customer?
    No, that would be a way that all claims can be tracked by both the customer and INTENSE to provide - 1. Better products 2. A better line of communication to customers

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    Then why list it for sale if its a warranty issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Van Deventer View Post
    Then why list it for sale if its a warranty issue?
    It is not a warranty issue, but a claim must be submitted, this is done through the same form. Crash replacements go through the same claim process.

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    I think the official party line from Intense is that there is no design flaw with the original Sniper top link, and that many riders may be perfectly happy with the bike without the cross brace. If you are one of these riders but decide to “upgrade” to more stiffness, you can buy the brace.

    If you DO experience an issue with the top link, Intense will warranty it and provide a cross brace. But they stop short of saying “original top link is crap, everyone should get a brace, and they’re free, just fill out this form.”

    Personally I think this latter course would’ve been preferable, and more consistent with the facts. I went through 3 top links before getting the brace on my 2019 Sniper XC; they lasted about a week on average for me before the bearings developed massive play. That said, the loose bearings don’t make the bike unridable (just a noodle) and don’t pose any obvious safety risk. I guess Intense figures if you’re happy with a non-braced bike that’s fine, no need for a full-on recall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creativefletch View Post
    The cross brace can be requested by all customers. As mentioned in the cross brace thread all that has to be done is to submit a warranty claim. This process allows us to track the claim and be in contact with customers about the cross brace and make sure that there are no further issues.

    Our European office is currently being restructured and we are working on providing more support from our US headquarters for that office. This will include a larger selection of inventory and more customer service representation.

    Hello Creativefletch,

    I requested the cross brace after the third upper link replacement under warranty (of course I have all the emails to prove this). I had to pay for the brace (not problem with that), but I also have to pay the European´s duty taxes because the shipment comes from Taiwan.
    For what has Intense an European distributor or service?
    To me this make not sense and this is why I´m not happy with Intense service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_averias View Post
    Hello Creativefletch,

    I requested the cross brace after the third upper link replacement under warranty (of course I have all the emails to prove this). I had to pay for the brace (not problem with that), but I also have to pay the European´s duty taxes because the shipment comes from Taiwan.
    For what has Intense an European distributor or service?
    To me this make not sense and this is why I´m not happy with Intense service.
    I tried 6 months to solve my problems with eu custom service, but no. After that i contacted straight to us custom service and my case took only 48h and all my problems was solved. So that is my tip to eu customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
    I think the official party line from Intense is that there is no design flaw with the original Sniper top link, and that many riders may be perfectly happy with the bike without the cross brace. If you are one of these riders but decide to “upgrade” to more stiffness, you can buy the brace.

    If you DO experience an issue with the top link, Intense will warranty it and provide a cross brace. But they stop short of saying “original top link is crap, everyone should get a brace, and they’re free, just fill out this form.”

    Personally I think this latter course would’ve been preferable, and more consistent with the facts. I went through 3 top links before getting the brace on my 2019 Sniper XC; they lasted about a week on average for me before the bearings developed massive play. That said, the loose bearings don’t make the bike unridable (just a noodle) and don’t pose any obvious safety risk. I guess Intense figures if you’re happy with a non-braced bike that’s fine, no need for a full-on recall.
    According to Intense, only a very small % of Intense owners ever voiced a concern with the back end rigidity. So, most are happy/content with the original Sniper. This explains why Intense would not provide a cross brace to every Sniper owner.

    I had an issue with mine, filed a claim and got a new brace free of charge. For US customers, Intense seems to have done a credible job satisfying their customers. Sounds like some issues in other countries need to be resolved.

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    Trying to narrow down my 2019 xc choices. Which of the Sniper xc models come with the fit4 damper? Is it just the elite and pro builds? Then the expert and foundation models get the Grip damper?

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    I've been lusting after an Intense since I was a teenager, and after the Sniper since it came out a couple of years ago. After following this thread for some weeks I finally decided to pull the trigger, put in an order for the 2020 Sniper T Expert build, XL size. I'm 6'2" and this is my first "modern geo" bike, so hope it's not too big for me... I will be upgrading the drivetrain to the new XT 12-speed and eventually the brakes as well, but otherwise have no planned changes. Will post some pics when I get the bike.

    The purpose is general XC and trail riding (more XC than trail), with occasional marathon-style racing. Perhaps a stage race too, if I can find the time to train for it. I figure if I do decide to get a bit more serious about the racing, and/or sign up for the stage race, I can always change the rear shock to go down to 100mm rear travel and firm up the suspension. Easy change and not too expensive; this is a multi-faceted bike like that.

    I will be bringing the bike to Colombia, where I live. From everything I've read it will be perfect for our local trails, which consist mostly of giant climbs followed by giant descents. I've never seen an Intense bike here, either, which is part of the allure.

    I can't wait for it to arrive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupps5 View Post
    Trying to narrow down my 2019 xc choices. Which of the Sniper xc models come with the fit4 damper? Is it just the elite and pro builds? Then the expert and foundation models get the Grip damper?
    For 2019 Sniper XC Models the Factory, Elite, and Pro models come with Fox Factory 32SC 100mm Fork with Fit4 damper. The Expert level comes with a Fox Performance Elite 32SC 100mm Fork that will also come with the Fit4 damper (Performance Elite uses the same internals as the Factory). The Foundation model comes with a Fox Performance 32SC 100mm fork that comes with a GRIP damper.

    The 2020 Sniper XC Expert build has a Fox Performance Elite 32SC 100mm Fork. The Pro and Elite models come with the Fox Factory 32SC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leyenda View Post
    I've been lusting after an Intense since I was a teenager, and after the Sniper since it came out a couple of years ago. After following this thread for some weeks I finally decided to pull the trigger, put in an order for the 2020 Sniper T Expert build, XL size. I'm 6'2" and this is my first "modern geo" bike, so hope it's not too big for me... I will be upgrading the drivetrain to the new XT 12-speed and eventually the brakes as well, but otherwise have no planned changes. Will post some pics when I get the bike.

    The purpose is general XC and trail riding (more XC than trail), with occasional marathon-style racing. Perhaps a stage race too, if I can find the time to train for it. I figure if I do decide to get a bit more serious about the racing, and/or sign up for the stage race, I can always change the rear shock to go down to 100mm rear travel and firm up the suspension. Easy change and not too expensive; this is a multi-faceted bike like that.

    I will be bringing the bike to Colombia, where I live. From everything I've read it will be perfect for our local trails, which consist mostly of giant climbs followed by giant descents. I've never seen an Intense bike here, either, which is part of the allure.

    I can't wait for it to arrive!
    Enjoy the new bike and post some pictures once you get it out on the trails in Columbia!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leyenda View Post
    I've been lusting after an Intense since I was a teenager, and after the Sniper since it came out a couple of years ago. After following this thread for some weeks I finally decided to pull the trigger, put in an order for the 2020 Sniper T Expert build, XL size. I'm 6'2" and this is my first "modern geo" bike, so hope it's not too big for me... I will be upgrading the drivetrain to the new XT 12-speed and eventually the brakes as well, but otherwise have no planned changes. Will post some pics when I get the bike... I can't wait for it to arrive!
    I'm roughly your height--I'm running a 50mm stem, and 800mm bars, and with about 100 miles so far, its pretty spot on for me. You should love this bike. If you've got major descents, maybe upsize the rear rotor to 180mm.

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    I’ve had my Intense Sniper Trail since October or so. It was about the time they came out with the official cross brace. I ordered it and installed it within a week of getting the bike. I’ve enjoyed it immensely. Shortly after I bought the bike I noticed they were offering Free E*Thirteen Carbon Wheelsets With the remaining 2019 Snipers. I quickly contacted them and discovered I qualified! Woohoo. I finally got them last week. Install went great. I love them. My first Carbon wheelset. Kudos to Intense. Too good to be true!
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    Side note, is anyone else having an issue where if you click on the "last post" button for this thread, it takes to a post about Di2 in the shimano forum...or just me?
    All the gear and no idea.

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    And now it's magically fixed... been doing it all day, and now it's not.
    All the gear and no idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Good information. Thanks.

    After reading more reviews of the Luftkappe, it definitely sounds like something that would improve the small bump sensitivity while also preventing bob or dive.
    Le Duke can you post up a pic or two of your bike showing the stem profile? Did you end up going 66? I have a 66 Flatforce on order for my Primer which is an XC build and as light as a Sniper T. I want to get a little lower over the front and think the 66 will stretch me out a little more too...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7mm josh View Post
    Hi,
    Im happy to add to the Sniper feedback.

    I have ridden approx 800km on my Sniper trail SL.
    I weigh 83kg and 6ft 5"

    Previous bike was V2 Ripley LS.
    Prior to that Rocky Mountain Vertex 990.

    I would say i ride it fairly hard. Mostly top 5 black, Multiple KOMs on blue and green descents and multiple KOMs on 4min+ climbs if i lay it all down. These all have between 600 and 1000 riders to give you an idea.

    I have had no bearing issues, or issues with the top link.

    My only issue was a crack in the upright of the rear triangle which was replaced under warranty. I noticed it very early on as a paint crack and it kept growing. I would say it was a flaw in the manufacturing.

    I do notice visible rear end flex when under power, but you will see that in all dual suspension bikes. I often swap bikes with a friends Trance Advance Pro 29 and it is, i would say about 20% stiffer visually, similar story with the Ripley.
    I have not felt the flex is an issue while riding any of these bikes however.

    I would certainly like to try the brace to see if i can feel or see a difference when its released.

    The sniper is far faster climbing and than either the Trance or the Ripley.
    It is also faster on green descents than either of those bikes especially if there is any sort of pedaling involved.
    Blue descents are about = on all bikes as long as they arent too chunky.
    Black rocky descents the Trance is most confidence inspiring as it has the 140mm front upgrade, the Ripley and Sniper are similar.
    If the blacks are not so chunky to overwhelm 120mm, all 3 bikes are similar times.

    Both the Trance and Ripley outperform the Sniper in chunky terrain.

    On a local full coarse lap of 20mins i would estimate the sniper to be faster than either the Trace Or Ripley by at least 2 mins (10%).

    I ride the sniper in the open mode, and setting 1 low speed compression. Sometimes i play with setting 2 and 3 but i find the least amount of low speed compression dampening is fine. I think this bike has quite a high amount of anti-squat and that shows in not having to use the shock to control pedal input movements.
    The high anti-squat is not without its downside, which seems to come in the form of slightly more difficulty in pedaling through chunky terrain than the Trance or Ripley.
    It may have also contributed to a few sore ankles after a few heavy landings when i first got the bike. I believe this is because the high levels of anti-squat also have high levels of pedal kickback during compression's and this is something i wasn't used too.

    I have been a little disappointing in Intense Australia customer service.
    I guess being a smaller company they have to watch the $$ a bit more before handing out replacements etc. I broke 2 Rocky Mountain frames and i just sent one lot of photos and a frame was on the way. Same story with friends who ride Giant with replacements there within a week.
    It took me 2 months to get the rear triangle after sending heaps of photos to Intense Australia.

    So in summary i really like the bike and i think the trail version really hits a nice spot for the larger xc rider that uses a bit more travel during impacts than your regular 65kg whippet. I would happily race this bike for XC. It also makes a demon trail bike if your terrain is not super chunky or your happy to pick a line when it gets rowdy.
    If your strictly a trial rider and dont care about your times on the climbs, then you might be better off with something that has a little more weight in the frame and possibly a little more travel.

    Josh
    I am the same height and weight as you with a 36” inseam. I don’t have an XL I can test. How is the fit? Are you still happy with the bike? I’m thinking of pulling the trigger on a 2019 while they’re still available. If you did it over would you opt for the new T or stick with the SL?

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    I’m just a hair under 6’3” on an XL, so shorter than you. BB center to saddle top is 83cm for me. My only concern would be effective STA for a taller rider on the Trail (longer fork/slacker angles). For me at my height, with the saddle a bit forward on the rails, a plumb line from nose of my saddle is about 2” behind BB center. This works pretty well for me, though on steep climbs I could live with a slightly steeper STA. If you saddle is appreciably higher, the slack actual STA will put you further and further behind the BB.

    Of course steep STA is not for everyone, and if you’re riding a lot of flat to rolling terrain or marathon stuff it might actually be annoying as it will put more weight on your hands.

    If this is a concern you could check out the Norco Revolver. That thing has steeper and MUCH longer geometry than almost anything else in the segment, could be just the ticket for a tall guy.

    I would also suggest the Sniper T with dual uprights for anyone over 160lbs or so. I’m more like 190 and ride hard, and had a ton of issues with the Sniper XC bearings. Now on the T and it’s noticeably stiffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trmn8er View Post
    Le Duke can you post up a pic or two of your bike showing the stem profile? Did you end up going 66? I have a 66 Flatforce on order for my Primer which is an XC build and as light as a Sniper T. I want to get a little lower over the front and think the 66 will stretch me out a little more too...
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    Thanks much that stem looks great



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    Looking at the 2019 SL frame. Remaining inventory is the 1 bottle inside main frame for large. Wondering if 2 bottles have shoe clearance using the wolftooth b-rad. Looking at owner pictures in this thread I really can't tell. Is the mainframe cage mount too low for the side by side bottle?
    Looking at le dukes picture, I see his 2019 has the cage mount option under the down tube. One of my current frames has the same setup and I don't mind it. Simply swap top caps or the entire bottle at an aid station, but if the 2019 large could fit the wolftooth, it would be extra awesome.

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    Sniper Trail Happiness

    Love, love, loving my Sniper Trail. I know there's a lot of people having problems. I feel bad for them. Anything mass produced can and will have issues, but I haven't had any issues.

    I would like to put on a bashguard, but which ones fit the Sniper Trail? They don't have the bolt holes I see so many bashguards use.. hrmp..

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    After looking at my frame, I'm fairly certain I could fit a 22oz and a 16oz bottle in it with a B-RAD.

    Now, that's awfully close to a single 33oz Zefal, but it gives me options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    After looking at my frame, I'm fairly certain I could fit a 22oz and a 16oz bottle in it with a B-RAD.

    Now, that's awfully close to a single 33oz Zefal, but it gives me options.
    I think if you used a B-RAD 2 it would move the mounts up high enough to use their double bottle mount. I was lucky to get by with their Dogbone since shock placement already has my cage mounts high enough.

    BTW I demoed a large Sniper over the weekend and it had double bottle mounts. I was able to stack two short bottles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo-McGurk View Post
    I would like to put on a bashguard, but which ones fit the Sniper Trail? They don't have the bolt holes I see so many bashguards use.. hrmp..

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    One of my potential hang-ups was the lack of ISCG mounts to run frame-mounted bash guard. I'm 170 miles into mine, and I've gotten over it. I believe the best option would be to run a new crank spider (https://northshorebillet.com/product...m-x0-x9-cranks), and attach a bash guard to the outer chainring position. Thinking it would also require a new chainring based on your photo. It's probably not cheap: spider + chainring + bash.

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    I've only been riding mine gingerly down a few snow covered trails and FS roads thus far, and a good amount of road riding to dial in the fit. Got 300 miles on it now, and if I uncork 1100w, I can't feel any back end flex. Given the stories I'd read in this thread, I had been crossing my fingers that the brace fixed the rear end problems, and for me at least, it certainly appears to have done just that.

    In other news, I should finish up my new front wheel tomorrow. I found a pretty good deal on an Extralite Hyperfront laced up to a 650b Stan's Crest. I unlaced that, and threw on the mate to my current rear wheel's rim (I bought two, only needed one when I built up the current rear). Should be under 600g with rim tape and valve.

    I'll be using the Crest rim to build up a pair of light 650b wheels for my wife's gravel bike. Should make her rides with the dog on the local trail system a bit more comfortable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    I've only been riding mine gingerly down a few snow covered trails and FS roads thus far, and a good amount of road riding to dial in the fit. Got 300 miles on it now, and if I uncork 1100w, I can't feel any back end flex. Given the stories I'd read in this thread, I had been crossing my fingers that the brace fixed the rear end problems, and for me at least, it certainly appears to have done just that.

    In other news, I should finish up my new front wheel tomorrow. I found a pretty good deal on an Extralite Hyperfront laced up to a 650b Stan's Crest. I unlaced that, and threw on the mate to my current rear wheel's rim (I bought two, only needed one when I built up the current rear). Should be under 600g with rim tape and valve.

    I'll be using the Crest rim to build up a pair of light 650b wheels for my wife's gravel bike. Should make her rides with the dog on the local trail system a bit more comfortable.
    I've like my Extralite wheelset- so far no issue- knock on wood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo-McGurk View Post
    Love, love, loving my Sniper Trail. I know there's a lot of people having problems. I feel bad for them. Anything mass produced can and will have issues, but I haven't had any issues.

    I would like to put on a bashguard, but which ones fit the Sniper Trail? They don't have the bolt holes I see so many bashguards use.. hrmp..

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    Edit: Nevermind, needs a threaded BB according to MRP. I think you are SOL

    You can try something like this. There are not really any pressfit bb mount bash guards out there. So buy this adapter, remove the bb spacer, attach your preferred bash guard, let us know if it worked.

    https://www.jensonusa.com/MRP-BB-To-...waAlTxEALw_wcB

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
    I’m just a hair under 6’3” on an XL, so shorter than you. BB center to saddle top is 83cm for me. My only concern would be effective STA for a taller rider on the Trail (longer fork/slacker angles). For me at my height, with the saddle a bit forward on the rails, a plumb line from nose of my saddle is about 2” behind BB center. This works pretty well for me, though on steep climbs I could live with a slightly steeper STA. If you saddle is appreciably higher, the slack actual STA will put you further and further behind the BB.

    Of course steep STA is not for everyone, and if you’re riding a lot of flat to rolling terrain or marathon stuff it might actually be annoying as it will put more weight on your hands.

    If this is a concern you could check out the Norco Revolver. That thing has steeper and MUCH longer geometry than almost anything else in the segment, could be just the ticket for a tall guy.

    I would also suggest the Sniper T with dual uprights for anyone over 160lbs or so. I’m more like 190 and ride hard, and had a ton of issues with the Sniper XC bearings. Now on the T and it’s noticeably stiffer.
    thanks for the advice. I measured bb center to saddle top on my Superfly ht and it’s 82cm, so slightly shorter than you’re Sniper. I’d probably set it a little higher if I was running a dropper but probably not much more than a cm. I do have my saddle set back closer to 4”. I demoed a Scott Spark recently which has a similar sta and it was fine climbing my local trails where the step climbs are relatively short.

    Im familiar with the issues you’ve had with SL frame. I’m 180lbs and don’t race or ride hard. A 2019 frame/build is easier on the budget but I don’t want a bunch of headache just to save $500. Im wondering if the NM frame on the expert build is noticeably stiffer than the SL seeing its the same carbon layup and alloy lower link as the T. (I do prefer the colorway of the SL)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mshynson View Post
    I am the same height and weight as you with a 36” inseam. I don’t have an XL I can test. How is the fit? Are you still happy with the bike? I’m thinking of pulling the trigger on a 2019 while they’re still available. If you did it over would you opt for the new T or stick with the SL?
    Gday Mshynson,
    Yes i am still happy with the Sniper SL trail, For me i fitted a 70mm stem get get correct reach. The fit is great for me. The only potential issue i can see some might have trouble getting the seat low enough if they have a 175mm dropper, for example i only have about 8mm of seat height adjustment.
    If i were doing it again i would still go with the 2019 SL and the cross brace as its quite a bit lighter, I added the cross brace a few months ago and there is a noticeable increase in stiffness. If i was riding chunkier terrain and not wanting to cover as much distance i would be fine with the a Sniper T

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    XL Sniper T frame, basically brand new, up for sale by me:
    https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2729057/

    Separate from this sale, I also have a DPX2 piggyback shock sized for the Sniper (45mm stroke) if anyone is interested. PM for details.

    As I mention in the ad, I’m selling this frame because I’ve decided to go a different route for an XC race bike this season. My riding and focus and shifted more toward competitive XC, so I decided to get a more dedicated XC race machine rather than a solid trail bike that could be raced (which is how I view the Sniper T). No knock on the Sniper, and especially the Sniper T, which I think fixed pretty much all the issues with the OG sniper in terms of flex and durability.

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    Might try the new Pike fork and a Super Deluxe shock on my Sniper Trail just to see how it feels. Anyone have a guess as to what tune to select on the rear shock?

    https://www.sram.com/en/rockshox/models/rs-sdlx-selp-b2

    Edit. A little bird told me to wait for the new SID 35mm fork...I'm thinking that with a Vorsprung tuned Super Deluxe will be awesome for longer stage racing XC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyboy.ca View Post
    Might try the new Pike fork and a Super Deluxe shock on my Sniper Trail just to see how it feels. Anyone have a guess as to what tune to select on the rear shock?

    https://www.sram.com/en/rockshox/models/rs-sdlx-selp-b2

    Edit. A little bird told me to wait for the new SID 35mm fork...I'm thinking that with a Vorsprung tuned Super Deluxe will be awesome for longer stage racing XC.
    There are a few 165x45 Super Deluxe shocks on eBay right now. Pretty darn cheap, too. It seems that many/most of them are off of Evil Following MBs. I know at least one other poster here has thrown one on and seems to have had some success tuning it to his liking.

    Like you, I'm thinking of buying one for longer days and/or longer descents. It should help a good bit with preventing heat buildup in the shock. I've found that the main thing handicapping short travel bikes on long descents isn't the travel but the inability to prevent the shock from packing up due to heat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    There are a few 165x45 Super Deluxe shocks on eBay right now. Pretty darn cheap, too. It seems that many/most of them are off of Evil Following MBs. I know at least one other poster here has thrown one on and seems to have had some success tuning it to his liking.

    Like you, I'm thinking of buying one for longer days and/or longer descents. It should help a good bit with preventing heat buildup in the shock. I've found that the main thing handicapping short travel bikes on long descents isn't the travel but the inability to prevent the shock from packing up due to heat.
    I have a brand new (used on 4 total rides) Fox DPX2 165x45 that I'm getting rid of, PM me if interested. Would probably not let it go as cheap as the SuperDeluxes on eBay, but well below half of what it cost new...

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    Anyone selling a shock for a Sniper XC? My stock Fox shock has blown out 4 times in 11 months of riding, including once in the middle of a 3 day stage race (Moab Rocks). Fox wants to keep trying to fit it instead of replacing it. I’m so frustrated and over messing with the old shock. Looking for an XC shock.


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    Just curious, are you running the cross-brace on your Sniper XC?

    I had a bunch of shock issues on my XC, and Fox eventually told me the shock was being repeatedly cross-loaded by frame flex. Both air shaft and damper shaft were scored and damaged to the point that it wouldn’t hold air. Combo of a flexy frame and the way the Sniper link connects directly to the trunnion mount means rear end flex gets transmitted to the shock and tries to fold it in half. Adding the cross-brace should improve the situation (and the Sniper T’s dual-sided rear end should be the real fix) but if you ran the shock a bunch without a brace it’s possible you’ve done irreparable damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
    Just curious, are you running the cross-brace on your Sniper XC?

    I had a bunch of shock issues on my XC, and Fox eventually told me the shock was being repeatedly cross-loaded by frame flex. Both air shaft and damper shaft were scored and damaged to the point that it wouldn’t hold air. Combo of a flexy frame and the way the Sniper link connects directly to the trunnion mount means rear end flex gets transmitted to the shock and tries to fold it in half. Adding the cross-brace should improve the situation (and the Sniper T’s dual-sided rear end should be the real fix) but if you ran the shock a bunch without a brace it’s possible you’ve done irreparable damage.
    Very good to know. That was my suspicion. It was run without a cross brace for about 8 months. I have the cross brace now, but maybe the damage has already been done.


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    The M9000 brake calipers on my Sniper keep leaking. Warrantied the front, and still leaking out of the piston. The weather is starting to clear up and riding in my garage was old two months ago.

    Bought the bullet and went with some Magura MT Trail SLs. Found them at Jenson 50% off. Shipped today.

    Might also convert the rest of my Shimano brakes to Shigura, with some MT8 calipers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jcjacob21 View Post
    Anyone selling a shock for a Sniper XC? My stock Fox shock has blown out 4 times in 11 months of riding, including once in the middle of a 3 day stage race (Moab Rocks). Fox wants to keep trying to fit it instead of replacing it. I’m so frustrated and over messing with the old shock. Looking for an XC shock.


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    Don't know if I can post the other site, but here are two, one from a Sniper T

    https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/lis...20dps%20165x45

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    No idea on the tune:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/2018-RockSh....c100667.m2042

    Sorry just saw the XC shock part. These are all 45mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourrealdad View Post
    Don't know if I can post the other site, but here are two, one from a Sniper T

    https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/lis...20dps%20165x45
    Thanks! I might jump on the 2020, but for now Fox has agreed to replace the shock of the rebuild doesn’t work. Praying it actually works for more than a month this time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    After looking at my frame, I'm fairly certain I could fit a 22oz and a 16oz bottle in it with a B-RAD.

    Now, that's awfully close to a single 33oz Zefal, but it gives me options.
    Any update on the b-rad and two bottles with your 2019 SL XC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by westin View Post
    Any update on the b-rad and two bottles with your 2019 SL XC?
    Nothing. Work was a bit crazy last week.

    I'm going measure again and see what I need. I'd like to be able to get 3 or more bottles on my bike.

    With a filtration/sterilization kit, and proper route planning, I should be good for all day rides with a pretty minimal backpack, which I hate.
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    Intense Sniper T Expert 2020 - first impressions

    I've had my Intense Sniper T - the first in Colombia, I believe - for 10 days now. In that time I've done 7 rides and roughly 180 km, enough to (mostly) sort out the suspension and get the seating position where I want it... and get some idea of the bike's quirks. For reference, I'm 190 cm and weigh 80 kg, and am riding an XL. My previous bike was a 2013 Canyon Nerve AL (what they used to call the Neuron); that bike has what was "trail" geometry for the time (69.5 degree HA, 435mm reach on size L, 90mm stem, etc), but which today would be pretty standard XC geometry. In retrospect that frame was always slightly small on me, one of the reasons I decided to buy a new bike...

    In summary: Believe the hype. The Sniper's geometry oozes confidence on the descents, which I somewhat expected from the reviews. What I didn't anticipate is how eager the bike is to be leaned hard into corners; the difference here with respect to my old bike is as big as it is surprising. This makes even XC-type riding exhilarating and immensely fun. I had never ridden a "longer / lower / slacker" bike and the benefits with respect to more traditional geometry are instantly notable from the moment you get on the bike - these are not small nuances I'm talking about here. The bike makes you want to get up and sprint out of every turn or over every hill, giving back everything you put in (and more), while treating every trail like a pump-track.

    Despite the difference in look and feel, the bike handled intuitively from the moment I got on the saddle and started pedaling. I was worried I'd find the raked-out front wheel "weird" and perhaps not like it, especially on a bike I had never swung a leg over before buying, but this fear turned out to be misplaced.

    This combination of different, but intuitive, is IMO, the bike's secret sauce. One surprise is just how aggressive the seating position is. The short head angle and long reach mean you can get as low and stretched out as you want for racing. But this, combined with slightly longer travel and aggressive geometry is the core of what makes the bike special. It really is XC position and pedaling efficiency with trail geometry. For all that, you don't give up much, if anything, on steep climbs or hairpin turns; the bike never feels too big or too slow, and in any case you quickly adapt to the changes.

    In terms of suspension, the Sniper is in a different league compared to my old Horst-link setup. I believe part of this is the new generation of Fox rear shocks: the EVOL sleeve makes it super sensitive to small bumps in the first third of it's travel, and the dual-piston system means you can truly lock the shock out completely for road sections, which feels awesome. The pedaling efficiency is good, though I do find myself flicking the compression damping to the middle 'trail' setting for climbs (lots where I live), or for flat or undulating sections. In short, the suspension is supple and buttery through chatter; makes you feel like a superhero through gnar and chunder; yet still offers a stiff and efficient pedaling platform in mid-travel, and stiffens enough for bottom-out with the factory-installed air tokens. It is not *quite* as efficient as some of the reviews out there might have you believe, however, though again, the pedaling-through-mud feel of my four-bar is gone.

    The bike has that ''boutique brand" cool emanating from every angle, even in this entry-level build. The paint job is refined and elegant yet subtle, I truly believe it looks better in person than in pictures. The intense-brand components all feel very swank. I swapped out the saddle for my favorite old Specialized one, and replaced the entire NX drivetrain with the new XT 12-speed (including a Garbaruk-brand 11-52 tooth cassette, since the stock Formula hubs don’t accept the switch to Micro Spline…).

    My only criticisms:
    -The fox 34 feels surprisingly harsh, and I can’t seem to use all the travel, even running close to 10+ PSI below Fox’s recommended air pressure. The fork either has a factory defect, or it came stock with too many volume reducers for my weight / riding style; getting a “26mm chamferless socket” to open the fork up has been surprisingly difficult, will let you know as soon as I figure this one out.
    -The bike came with 780mm handlebars, not 760mm as listed on Intense’s website. Not a big deal since they can be cut down, but a strange ****up.
    -the dropper stopped working after my first ride, I believe a cable came loose inside the frame. This *should* be easy to fix, but again, a strange ****up.

    Overall: the bike is sexy, swanky, and as loin-stirring as an Intense ought to be. Everything feels well thought-out and solidly put together with attention to detail… even the packaging and included torque wrench are spot-on. The two full-size water-bottle mounts (and included Intense-brand cages… see pictures!) might not seem like a big deal, until you realize you can stop wearing your camelback entirely, which is so liberating. With the included cross-brace and second vertical strut in the rear-triangle, stiffness is more than adequate and a complete non-issue in this 2020 model. Most importantly, the bike simply feels awesome – confident, playful, and totally worthy of your local XC race scene or a big marathon or stage race. It is this hybrid personality – raceable yet fun, confident yet efficient – that make it so special. I’m amazed that it is better than my old bike in literally every way, despite a similar retail price and ostensible intentions. I lobbed off 6 minutes from my usual 2-hour, 2,500-foot climb home loop yesterday, what more proof do you want?

    Intense Sniper-img-20200306-wa0029.jpgIntense Sniper-dsc_0086.jpgIntense Sniper-img-20200306-wa0030.jpgIntense Sniper-img-20200306-wa0032.jpg

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    Nice review and glad you are liking the bike.

    My fork came with two volume spacers installed which is way too much. I am almost exactly the same size as you. I took them all out.
    Just remember that using all of your travel is not a sign that the fork is set up properly. You want a little travel left for those Oh Shit moments. But yeah you probably have too many in there.

    You don't "need" a chamferless socket. I use an adjustable wrench and am very careful. I might lose a little anodizing every time, but I am messing with it maybe once or twice ever.

    I am on a Large and don't have that stretched out XC feel you do, but I will say it is comfortable and handles great.

    Keep enjoying the ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leyenda View Post
    I've had my Intense Sniper T - the first in Colombia, I believe - for 10 days now. In that time I've done 7 rides and roughly 180 km, enough to (mostly) sort out the suspension and get the seating position where I want it... and get some idea of the bike's quirks. For reference, I'm 190 cm and weigh 80 kg, and am riding an XL. My previous bike was a 2013 Canyon Nerve AL (what they used to call the Neuron); that bike has what was "trail" geometry for the time (69.5 degree HA, 435mm reach on size L, 90mm stem, etc), but which today would be pretty standard XC geometry. In retrospect that frame was always slightly small on me, one of the reasons I decided to buy a new bike...

    In summary: Believe the hype. The Sniper's geometry oozes confidence on the descents, which I somewhat expected from the reviews. What I didn't anticipate is how eager the bike is to be leaned hard into corners; the difference here with respect to my old bike is as big as it is surprising. This makes even XC-type riding exhilarating and immensely fun. I had never ridden a "longer / lower / slacker" bike and the benefits with respect to more traditional geometry are instantly notable from the moment you get on the bike - these are not small nuances I'm talking about here. The bike makes you want to get up and sprint out of every turn or over every hill, giving back everything you put in (and more), while treating every trail like a pump-track.

    Despite the difference in look and feel, the bike handled intuitively from the moment I got on the saddle and started pedaling. I was worried I'd find the raked-out front wheel "weird" and perhaps not like it, especially on a bike I had never swung a leg over before buying, but this fear turned out to be misplaced.

    This combination of different, but intuitive, is IMO, the bike's secret sauce. One surprise is just how aggressive the seating position is. The short head angle and long reach mean you can get as low and stretched out as you want for racing. But this, combined with slightly longer travel and aggressive geometry is the core of what makes the bike special. It really is XC position and pedaling efficiency with trail geometry. For all that, you don't give up much, if anything, on steep climbs or hairpin turns; the bike never feels too big or too slow, and in any case you quickly adapt to the changes.

    In terms of suspension, the Sniper is in a different league compared to my old Horst-link setup. I believe part of this is the new generation of Fox rear shocks: the EVOL sleeve makes it super sensitive to small bumps in the first third of it's travel, and the dual-piston system means you can truly lock the shock out completely for road sections, which feels awesome. The pedaling efficiency is good, though I do find myself flicking the compression damping to the middle 'trail' setting for climbs (lots where I live), or for flat or undulating sections. In short, the suspension is supple and buttery through chatter; makes you feel like a superhero through gnar and chunder; yet still offers a stiff and efficient pedaling platform in mid-travel, and stiffens enough for bottom-out with the factory-installed air tokens. It is not *quite* as efficient as some of the reviews out there might have you believe, however, though again, the pedaling-through-mud feel of my four-bar is gone.

    The bike has that ''boutique brand" cool emanating from every angle, even in this entry-level build. The paint job is refined and elegant yet subtle, I truly believe it looks better in person than in pictures. The intense-brand components all feel very swank. I swapped out the saddle for my favorite old Specialized one, and replaced the entire NX drivetrain with the new XT 12-speed (including a Garbaruk-brand 11-52 tooth cassette, since the stock Formula hubs don’t accept the switch to Micro Spline…).

    My only criticisms:
    -The fox 34 feels surprisingly harsh, and I can’t seem to use all the travel, even running close to 10+ PSI below Fox’s recommended air pressure. The fork either has a factory defect, or it came stock with too many volume reducers for my weight / riding style; getting a “26mm chamferless socket” to open the fork up has been surprisingly difficult, will let you know as soon as I figure this one out.
    -The bike came with 780mm handlebars, not 760mm as listed on Intense’s website. Not a big deal since they can be cut down, but a strange ****up.
    -the dropper stopped working after my first ride, I believe a cable came loose inside the frame. This *should* be easy to fix, but again, a strange ****up.

    Overall: the bike is sexy, swanky, and as loin-stirring as an Intense ought to be. Everything feels well thought-out and solidly put together with attention to detail… even the packaging and included torque wrench are spot-on. The two full-size water-bottle mounts (and included Intense-brand cages… see pictures!) might not seem like a big deal, until you realize you can stop wearing your camelback entirely, which is so liberating. With the included cross-brace and second vertical strut in the rear-triangle, stiffness is more than adequate and a complete non-issue in this 2020 model. Most importantly, the bike simply feels awesome – confident, playful, and totally worthy of your local XC race scene or a big marathon or stage race. It is this hybrid personality – raceable yet fun, confident yet efficient – that make it so special. I’m amazed that it is better than my old bike in literally every way, despite a similar retail price and ostensible intentions. I lobbed off 6 minutes from my usual 2-hour, 2,500-foot climb home loop yesterday, what more proof do you want?

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    Awesome feedback and review. Enjoy the bike!

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    So... has anybody ACTUALLY fit a Super Deluxe to a Sniper? I picked up on eBay recently and attempted to install today. Could NOT bolt it up as the rebound 'top' would hit the linkage. When lining up the shocks, its clear how much taller the Super Deluxe is compared to the Fox.

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    Also, still LOVING my Sniper T 380 miles in. Will have a much more detailed review up this weekend.

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    Padre,

    Thank you for taking one for the team and finding out that the RS doesn't fit, hopefully you can return it or sell it.

    I just found a DPX2 on ebay. It seems to be the same tune as what Drewbird and Ole had. Tuned for an Evil Following. If we ever get to ride bikes again then I will hopefully get to check it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by padrefan1982 View Post
    So... has anybody ACTUALLY fit a Super Deluxe to a Sniper? I picked up on eBay recently and attempted to install today. Could NOT bolt it up as the rebound 'top' would hit the linkage. When lining up the shocks, its clear how much taller the Super Deluxe is compared to the Fox.

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    Also, still LOVING my Sniper T 380 miles in. Will have a much more detailed review up this weekend.
    NOOOOOOOOOOOO! Wanted to try this out.


    Edit: How close is it? Like a little dremel work or not even close?
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    Le Duke,

    What 120 fork offset did you go with? I just built up my sniper XC and went with a 51 offset Fox 34sc (since that's what is spec'd on the trail) . I don't have trail time on it yet, only some bike path time. The front does feel floppy... but like i said... no trail time yet.

    Anyone try a 44 offset 120?

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    I run a 44mm on my 120mm 34SC on my Trail. Front is not floppy.
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    I am running a 51mm sc120 that does not feel floppy at slow speeds and is stable at speeds approaching 40mph.

    One thing I do not like about the 44mm offset fork on my ripmo is feeling like it is going to fold under around slow turns, especially in rocky terrain. I have gotten used to it but still think about how to approach the turn. This was not been an issue on other similar bikes when using a 51mm offset fork.

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    johnny & c-wal,

    Thanks for the info. Coming from a Pivot 429sl its just a big change. I just need some trail time on it and i think it will be fine... whenever the trails dry out here in CO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyboy.ca View Post
    NOOOOOOOOOOOO! Wanted to try this out.


    Edit: How close is it? Like a little dremel work or not even close?
    I don't think its Dremel close, honestly. Best guess, you'd have to work on both the shock and the linkage (I think its the cross brace the shock is impacting) If you want to try it, I have a shock you can try it on for $100 :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by at_ecd View Post
    johnny & c-wal,

    Thanks for the info. Coming from a Pivot 429sl its just a big change. I just need some trail time on it and i think it will be fine... whenever the trails dry out here in CO.
    I haven't found my Sniper T + SC34 (51mm offset) to be floppy at all up here on PNW trails. I think I'm echoing c-wal, but I've found the bike good at slow speeds when trails get tight, slow and technical, while the bike is amazing when given the chance to stretch its legs and hit XC speeds, or what are XC speeds for me. I am no Nino, big surprise.

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    Hello.

    I'm 6" (183CM). Should I go for a Large or X-Large Sniper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reallytho View Post
    Hello.

    I'm 6" (183CM). Should I go for a Large or X-Large Sniper?
    I'm 6' and went with a large. I do not think I would be comfortable on an XL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJO View Post
    I'm 6' and went with a large. I do not think I would be comfortable on an XL.
    Ye, that's what I thought. Unfortunately they had a leftover Elite build only in XL. Got it 40% off so I thought it'd be worth a shot. Guess I'll return it if it's too big. Thank you mate!

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    Mind sharing where you found it for 40% off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reallytho View Post
    Ye, that's what I thought. Unfortunately they had a leftover Elite build only in XL. Got it 40% off so I thought it'd be worth a shot. Guess I'll return it if it's too big. Thank you mate!
    if it is any consolation I am 5'9' and on a large so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mshynson View Post
    Mind sharing where you found it for 40% off?
    In their Outlet. Depends on where you are in the world, but for example the EU site has one for 40% off: https://eu.intensecycles.com/collections/bike-outlet

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    if it is any consolation I am 5'9' and on a large so...
    Nice! How's the fit, and did you have to do any modifications?

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    Thought I'd post an update after a few more rides on the bike:

    -I've been able to fix the dropper issue by simply changing the cable. It's not the smoothest dropper out there, but it works.

    -I've also been surprised by how much the Fox 34 SC with the GRIP damper has bedded-in over the course of the first 25 hours of riding or so. Has anyone else had this experience? I remember forks 20 years ago, when I first started riding, having a break-in period, but I honestly didn't know that was still the case...

    The fork initially felt super stiff, worse even than my old Fox from way back in 2013, even running 15 PSI below Fox's recommended air pressure for my weight. I thought the problem was too many volume spacers, so I took the two pre-installed ones out, which helped immensely. But to achieve 20% sag sitting / 25% sag standing, I had to steadily increase the air pressure by about 10 PSI over the course of my first weeks as the fork "opened up". Eventually I got right to Fox's recommended air pressure of about 80 PSI for my weight, and the fork felt good, if not great. At that point I decided to put the two spacers back in and lower the pressure by about 8 PSI, to achieve a more supple first part of the stroke while using up the same amount of travel as I was without the volume spacers.

    In summary: after roughly 25 hours and much fiddling, the fork feels way better than it did brand-new and way better than my old fork... but, by comparison to the Sniper's rear suspension, not great. The rear suspension feels super active, plush, and supple, but at the same time I never seem to use full travel. This must mean it has a very smooth ramp-up at the end, which doesn't feel spiky or harsh. The fork, by comparison, tends to feel way less plush while still using up it's travel more easily.

    Again, I probably wouldn't even notice this problem in my fork if I didn't have the rear suspension to compare it with. The end result is that the bike's suspension feels "unbalanced"; the rear suspension is very much set-and-forget, with Intense's recommended settings working perfectly from day one, while the fork has needed lot's of fiddling to get it to work well, but is still much harsher than the rear. Any ideas wha't going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leyenda View Post
    Again, I probably wouldn't even notice this problem in my fork if I didn't have the rear suspension to compare it with. The end result is that the bike's suspension feels "unbalanced"; the rear suspension is very much set-and-forget, with Intense's recommended settings working perfectly from day one, while the fork has needed lot's of fiddling to get it to work well, but is still much harsher than the rear. Any ideas wha't going on?
    I'd start by dropping the lowers and pulling the air shaft. Fox is notorious for putting way too much grease on the seal head from the factory which eats up negative air space (for small bump compliance) and can clog up the transfer port. Also seen foam rings dry and no grease on the wiper seals. Can also then insure correct oil levels as well. My 2020 34 SC Factory fork had all of the above issues. Sad that I have to tear down a new fork and check this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gasmanxj View Post
    I'd start by dropping the lowers and pulling the air shaft. Fox is notorious for putting way too much grease on the seal head from the factory which eats up negative air space (for small bump compliance) and can clog up the transfer port. Also seen foam rings dry and no grease on the wiper seals. Can also then insure correct oil levels as well. My 2020 34 SC Factory fork had all of the above issues. Sad that I have to tear down a new fork and check this stuff.
    This.

    I bought but have not yet installed a Vorsprung Luftkappe because of the above problems.

    My Sniper is coming along, but, as other people have said, the front end isn't quite keeping up with what the back end just yet. I think the next step will be throwing some lighter weight oil in it.

    For any new buyers out there reading this, I'd recommend that you immediately buy the rear brace and install before riding. I've got a good chunk of miles on mine now and have had no problems at all.
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    Got a DPX2 mounted up today. This is on a large frame. I know DB said everything fit on a XL, so wanted to make sure it was all good on the L.
    It fits and allows for a small water bottle (Specialized) to fit.
    I don't know of a large will fit, because my upper cage is too low to allow for a larger bottle in the lower cage.
    When the shock compresses there is maybe 1mm if not less clearance between the reservoir and the water bottle, so depending on bottles and/or cage location it may rub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post

    For any new buyers out there reading this, I'd recommend that you immediately buy the rear brace and install before riding. I've got a good chunk of miles on mine now and have had no problems at all.
    How widespread is this problem? I'm getting mine soon and didn't know of this issue until after I ordered it. I'm a very light rider.

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    I've had mine for a few months now, and don't notice it, could it be stiffer? Maybe, but I'm a lardo and the back end seems to work fine. Probably I'bve been lucky to have no issues.
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    Get it. It makes all the difference. Will also keep the bearings from making a mess of the top link. It is a game changer on this bike for stiffness and durability.
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    It makes the rear triangle much stiffer. My son is a lightweight, he has never had a problem with the bike. But I could wiggle the rear wheel back and forth pretty good with the bike just sitting on the ground. I installed the brace just to make it that much better as he grows or if/when we go to sell, and it is night and day different when doing the same grab and wiggle test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourrealdad View Post
    Got a DPX2 mounted up today. This is on a large frame. I know DB said everything fit on a XL, so wanted to make sure it was all good on the L.
    It fits and allows for a small water bottle (Specialized) to fit.
    I don't know of a large will fit, because my upper cage is too low to allow for a larger bottle in the lower cage.
    When the shock compresses there is maybe 1mm if not less clearance between the reservoir and the water bottle, so depending on bottles and/or cage location it may rub.
    Just a heads up
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    Did you nab that one from The Pro's Closet this past weekend? If so... good job! I was just about to buy it and went out of stock! I would love to hear more feedback on if it's worth it.

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    I picked one up from DrewBird a couple weeks back. Haven't had time or reason to throw it on yet, but it appears that I will definitely have to buy a B-RAD to keep a bottle inside the frame with it on my Medium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by padrefan1982 View Post
    Did you nab that one from The Pro's Closet this past weekend? If so... good job! I was just about to buy it and went out of stock! I would love to hear more feedback on if it's worth it.
    Yeah, it is the one from TPC. I haven't had a chance to really ride it yet as it has been raining and snowed yesterday.
    Right now my sag is roughly 28% and psi is 220. I weigh 180, so this seemed weird until I checked the interwebs and this seems normal for the DPX2.
    Just riding around the street is seems to be less firm than the DPS. I don't know if that has to do with the slightly more sag I am running or the tuning.
    I will probably try and get the sag to around 25% and adjust from there and see how it rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    I picked one up from DrewBird a couple weeks back. Haven't had time or reason to throw it on yet, but it appears that I will definitely have to buy a B-RAD to keep a bottle inside the frame with it on my Medium.
    Depending on how you line up your cage you might be able to get it to work. Both of my cages are the furthest down towards the BB. If I moved them both up the reservoir might move towards the indent of the bottle, and I still should be able to fit a bottle up top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourrealdad View Post
    Yeah, it is the one from TPC. I haven't had a chance to really ride it yet as it has been raining and snowed yesterday.
    Right now my sag is roughly 28% and psi is 220. I weigh 180, so this seemed weird until I checked the interwebs and this seems normal for the DPX2.
    Just riding around the street is seems to be less firm than the DPS. I don't know if that has to do with the slightly more sag I am running or the tuning.
    I will probably try and get the sag to around 25% and adjust from there and see how it rides.
    You can change the shock's behaviour in Open mode quite a lot by adjusting the low speed comp inside the blue lever.

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    Another good ride in yesterday. Still rather pleased with the behavior of the rear end in 108mm mode.

    The Fox 34 SC Fit4 on the front, on the other hand, is not performing to expectations. Beating up my hands at 20-25% sag. I launched off a rocky lip into a rock garden with a bunch of cobbles in it, in an attempt to see if I could come close to bottoming it out. Nope. Not even close. Still 25-30mm of fork stanchion to go.
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    Yeah, I have had a challenge finding a good set up with the step cast 34. My older regular 34 felt way more plush. Went back to factory manual starting set up and am going to try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ole View Post
    You can change the shock's behaviour in Open mode quite a lot by adjusting the low speed comp inside the blue lever.
    Yeah, I haven't messed with it yet just cause I haven't gotten to take it in the trail.

    Ole, did you find that it felt similar to the DPS? Did you have to run a bunch of PSI to hit sag?

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    Mounted up a new crankset today. Made up for the DPX2 and then some. Bike was at 24.14 lbs before the DPX2, now with the DPX2 and new crankset bike is sitting at 23.8 lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Another good ride in yesterday. Still rather pleased with the behavior of the rear end in 108mm mode.

    The Fox 34 SC Fit4 on the front, on the other hand, is not performing to expectations. Beating up my hands at 20-25% sag. I launched off a rocky lip into a rock garden with a bunch of cobbles in it, in an attempt to see if I could come close to bottoming it out. Nope. Not even close. Still 25-30mm of fork stanchion to go.
    Are you using volume spacers? If so take them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourrealdad View Post
    Yeah, I haven't messed with it yet just cause I haven't gotten to take it in the trail.

    Ole, did you find that it felt similar to the DPS? Did you have to run a bunch of PSI to hit sag?
    Once you get a ride in please report if you notice a difference in the digressive vs linear tune.

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    So I am just curious as to how the Sniper works with two different tunes.

    The XC version comes with a digressive tuned DPS

    The Trail version comes with a linear tuned DPS

    Does travel play a part in how these will feel or is the leverage ratio the same minus the continuation of the curve for the additional 20mm of travel?

    Looking at the leverage ratio between a Sniper Trail and the Evil Following they have drastically? different ratios.

    The Following MB (which is where the DPX2 shock that Ole, Le Duke/DrewBird, and myself have came from) is a Progressive-Progressive ratio

    The Sniper is Linear-Progressive

    Is this shock going to work based on the leverage ratios? Is it going to act like the Sniper XC shock, but with better heat management due to the reservoir?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourrealdad View Post
    Are you using volume spacers? If so take them out.
    That helped quite a bit. Came with two in it; removed both. Much better going down the same hill today. Felt just as supportive while climbing, and better small bump compliance AND bigger impact absorption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    That helped quite a bit. Came with two in it; removed both. Much better going down the same hill today. Felt just as supportive while climbing, and better small bump compliance AND bigger impact absorption.
    Nice!

    I have found that unless I need a fork to be ultra progressive because I am in the park casing jumps then I don't need the spacers.
    I usually set my psi based off the middle of the mfg's recomendation and then adjust from there for small bump sensitivity and after that start working with damping.

    Right now I am at 180lbs(fat), running 75 psi, no spacers and anywhere from fully open to 10 clicks of open mode compression. Fork feels great for what I need it to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yourrealdad View Post
    Mounted up a new crankset today. Made up for the DPX2 and then some. Bike was at 24.14 lbs before the DPX2, now with the DPX2 and new crankset bike is sitting at 23.8 lbs

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    Nice Cranks! I was looking at throwing a set on my Sniper XC, I just got a set of XCX 24mm wheels added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    That helped quite a bit. Came with two in it; removed both. Much better going down the same hill today. Felt just as supportive while climbing, and better small bump compliance AND bigger impact absorption.
    Good to hear. I've been having similar struggles with my 34SC. I've got the rear sorted pretty well, but can't utilize all the suspension up front. Planning on pulling spacers this weekend.

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    This is interesting. I've actually thought of doing the same on my Sniper T if and when I get to race the bike. Or maybe, even if I don't; the idea would be to make front and rear more "balanced" with this reverse mullet configuration. The stock 120mm front / 120mm rear makes the rear feel way more plush / capable / bottomless than the front.

    All you have to do is get the 40mm stroke rear shock instead of the 45mm that comes stock, right? Seems easy enough. Care to elaborate on how it feels?

    Incidentally, from what I read online the two different stroke-length shocks come with different tunes, with the XC version tuned to be more progressive than the T version. Is this really noticeable, or can you pretty much just get an off-the-shelf shock to make the change?

    As to the fork: I initially removed the stock volume spacers and increased pressure by about 8 PSI, which got me right to Fox's recommended pressure for my weight. This felt pretty good. But in the end, as the fork broke in, I put the spacers back in and again began running about 8 PSI below Fox's recommendation. This means I run more sag, and the fork feels more plush off the top, more similar to the rear suspension. Honestly I can't say one setting feels objectively "better" than the other; if anything, I prefer the more linear feel with the spacers removed. But, in the name of balancing front and rear suspension, decided to run the more progressive setup, with the tokens. I guess the message is: don't be afraid to experiment, even if you do end up far from Fox's recommendations...


    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Another good ride in yesterday. Still rather pleased with the behavior of the rear end in 108mm mode.

    The Fox 34 SC Fit4 on the front, on the other hand, is not performing to expectations. Beating up my hands at 20-25% sag. I launched off a rocky lip into a rock garden with a bunch of cobbles in it, in an attempt to see if I could come close to bottoming it out. Nope. Not even close. Still 25-30mm of fork stanchion to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leyenda View Post
    This is interesting. I've actually thought of doing the same on my Sniper T if and when I get to race the bike. Or maybe, even if I don't; the idea would be to make front and rear more "balanced" with this reverse mullet configuration. The stock 120mm front / 120mm rear makes the rear feel way more plush / capable / bottomless than the front.

    All you have to do is get the 40mm stroke rear shock instead of the 45mm that comes stock, right? Seems easy enough. Care to elaborate on how it feels?

    Incidentally, from what I read online the two different stroke-length shocks come with different tunes, with the XC version tuned to be more progressive than the T version. Is this really noticeable, or can you pretty much just get an off-the-shelf shock to make the change?
    Correct me if I am wrong, but the 40mm stroke shock has a reducer in it? So if you don't care about the difference in tune, which I am trying to figure out right now, but with the DPX2, then you should be able to run the XC shock at the trail length.

    The XC shock does not have a progressive tune, it has a digressive tune.
    The Trail shock has a linear tune.

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    On the sniper xc for an xc racing setup. Which mode are you tuning the rear shock in? Trail or open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rupps5 View Post
    On the sniper xc for an xc racing setup. Which mode are you tuning the rear shock in? Trail or open?

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    Are you asking about tuning as far as setting sag, LSC and rebound?
    If so you do that it open mode. That goes for pretty much all shocks and forks.

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    I am talking about what mode you keep the shock in mostly for racing? I have been keeping mine mostly in trail mode for trail and lock for longer dirt roads. Have not really used the open mode at all yet. Just getting a sense of how people are setting the bike up for racing to speed my own tuning process.

    So far though this is the fastest race bike i have been on, it's very impressive. Coming from a 2017-2019 scalpel. And before that a turner czar

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    i came from a Scott Spark which I ran mostly in the trail mode, occasionally the open, the rest the locked. For the sniper I run it 95% of the time in open.

    **however I am pretty slow either way
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    If it is undulating terrain I will most likely keep it in Trail so I am not reaching down all the time. If the trail is up then down I will put it in Trail for up (unless a fire road, then Firm), and then Open for the way down.

    Even in Open though it is pretty efficient and has a good pedaling platform. You could leave it in Open the whole time and probably lose only a little in the long run.

    Fork is almost always in Open

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