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    I did it because I could !! 2951

    Something I have wanted to do for some time & topic of many debates.
    With a little help from Manitou / Sun & WTB we have the "2951"
    This first proto is in the medium range 23.5 effective tt.
    G3 dropout & Head tube
    14" bb in middle, w 64.5 ha @ 0
    CS 18.25"
    WB 48"
    Where do you start with this, so I went with tried & true and we have a bit of adjustability to play with.
    Travel is at 7.5 or 8" with adjustable link.
    fork is reduced to 7"
    So everyone who has thrown a leg over it is blown away in one aspect or another.
    This is just a test project at this point & hope to get some team riders on real tracks in near future. Tires are the biggest issue at this point but if it pans out I am sure Intense Tires will step up for some racing rubber choices.
    The 951 frame works well for this as there is alot of room for seatube tire clearance.
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    Like a kid in a toy store. It must be fun to own your own locally produced bike company.

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    Any plans for a 2-650b-1?

    No seat buzz or downtube smacking?
    Cool project, let the hating begin!
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    Jeff, I took the liberty of posting it on the 29 forum. It should see some interest. If only I was younger, well a lot younger.

    Now stop messing around and go and get my Tracer 29 done already.

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    Oh man we are standing on the edge of a cliff here, the 29r dh bike is inevitable now. There is no denying now big wheels damn good on a big bike

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    I'd literally buy that bike right now. Sweet!

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    Oh boy! What do we see next? A fixie Intense?
    I hoped you would play with a Socom Evo or a gearbox bike prototype, oh well.
    But let's see if the team riders will be faster or slower on the 29er, and more important if those wheels/tires withstand the punishing. Now it is finally possible to do a real scientific comparison to show everybody that 29ers are ????
    No more guessing and "it feels better" reviews.

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    That's a bomb !!!

    I'm falling in love

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    I want one.

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    Looks super hot! Id love to take it for a spin. As soon as dh tire choices are better in the 29 grupo Im getting one. Thanks for sharing.

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    Fmb!!!!


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    DIBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nobody else has called dibs yet so the next ride is mine!!!! MUWHAHAHAHAHA!

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    thats one bad bump eating machine...but the right horse for the right course this could be podium material! I would love to see the vid in testing action and the riders feedback...any chance of something like that Jeff?

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    Perfect Tall guy DH bike!

    I'm 6'5" and have a hard time finding a DH bike to fit me (on a Large V10 right now and it's not quite long enough). An XXL '2951' with a 25.5-26 inch ett would be perfect!

    Let me know when I can order it. I'll be the first in line.

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    Very cool Mr. Intense. Looks like the Lenz PBJ has some competition!

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    this is just excellent!

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    I would defeanately give it a try. Looks sick.
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    A brilliant marketing move if nothing else- 96 people viewing this thread at the moment.

    The big wheels make it look particularly long & low; would definitely be fun to give it a ride.
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    You can't stop designing bikes XD, you tried to reduce the range with the Tracer and the Uzzi but you can't stop: 951, Tracer 29, New SS, M6 in the Works, 2951... It's in your blood!!!

    That's a really nice Bike.

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    Whoa. Way to go whole hog. Copperfield is going to take a dump.

    That fork and rubber is opening up doors.
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    That is just sick, I can't wait to here the feed back you get from some the team riders.

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    That looks very nicely executed - but I would expect no less from a company like Intense. Always kinda liked their stuff. For the right course, where you could really let the big wheel roll, that bike could be incredible. In some slower tighter stuff there is probably a real call for smaller wheels, but unless you require really instant-twitch nimbleness, I'd bet this could do well. I also will be really interested to see the real-life results of the bike in competition - hope it gets there soon. Like someone else mentioned earlier - wish I was still young and crazy...
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    yeah, it would absolutely suck to have that bike on most East Coast stuff. Linking turns...owww! Why not a 29/26 combo? Let you at least get the rear wheel around stuff?
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    Interesting side note, the frame uses the same suspention locations so it can also accept the standard 26" 951 rear just like our Spider 29 did ( Spider 69) so we can also test that setup. This was just a project I did in my spare time so I havn't lost focus on the main projects going on currently.

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    Great looking bike Mr Intense....Well done..............CF.

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    Hope you hook it up with data recording and sensors and ride it back to back with 26" and 96-er setups. Just to finally end all the myths about 29ers in a real scientific approach. Let's see if they are really superior.

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    Saaaahhhhwweeeeet!

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    Does anyone remember the 24" wheel'ed M1 that was heralded as the future a few years ago? Good on you Jeff for doing the experiment and testing the theory. Can't say I'd ever trade my 26" Dh bike for a Dh 29'er though.

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    if I could get an XL or L, I'd even leave the kickstand on. would blow the whole x-mas bonus on this thing.

    mighty friggin cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado
    Any plans for a 2-650b-1?
    ......

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    Well done, Mr. Intense, well done!! I am definitely interested in seeing an XL version...that bike might make my entire stable switch over to Intense

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    you, sir, are a genius

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    wow--- nice!

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    Holy crap! Very nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bizutch
    yeah, it would absolutely suck to have that bike on most East Coast stuff. Linking turns...owww! Why not a 29/26 combo? Let you at least get the rear wheel around stuff?
    If you're at Diablo look for the Lenz DH PBJ 29er my buddy will be on next season, if this comes to fruition I might delegate the Vtach to dedicated FR duty and rock this bad boy.

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    Intense--Leading the industry yet another time!

    Congrats, this is probably one of the most noteworthy bikes to come along in a while, and like many others, from Jeff. This bike finally shows no bounds for the 29er platform, and will hopefully inspire other company's (Fox most noteworthy) to get on board fully and start making longer travel 29er parts (ala 36's). Why haven't 5-7" 29er's been produced in large quantities, lack of a large variety of available parts.

    Look back 10 years ago and see how far MTB's have come. First everyone said front suspension was bad, then nobody needs full suspension, then 5" will be the maximum travel, 21 gears, 24 gears, 27, 30, etc, etc. Evolution is inevitable, and it's guys like Jeff that push the industry to advance and think outside conventional wisdom.

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    Very stoked. I knew that Intense would be the first to make a legit 29er dh bike. I can't wait to see Kovarik ride it in a WC! The dh mtb world would explode!

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    I was thinking about it more and there is probably going to need to be an evolution in the dh fork offset for 29er dh bikes to be properly evaluated. I hope everyone is open minded enough to accept that the development may take a little time. Hey Jeff, is manitou willing to make a special offset dropout for you? Can you make one that would work? Just some ideas I am throwing out there.

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    This makes my eminent 951 frame purchase seem that much more brilliant.

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    This is great news.
    I have a Lenz PBJ on order but will be watching and hoping for this to come into production.

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    Okay, here I come- three caveats:

    1. These rims are not tubeless or TLR- are they?
    2. Dissent does not have TLR bead- it a pity. We want to save weight for a race, utilizing a DH tube which weights about 500 grams will not help.
    3. No upsidedown riser to be offered from renowned handlebar manufacturer. Those on small frames want a low front end.

    Apart from the above all kudos to Intense. Gret job of showing those kiddie-wheel pansies who is the boss.

    ps. No 29er specific fork offset.

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    insane...I wanna ride it
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    Maybe I WILL start dh'ing again. This would/will be a great solution to us giants (6'4"+) in the mtb world. Curious how the pros ride on it, but more interested in how upper echelon amateurs do. Seems like amateurs (like those that don't simply float over rock gardens) may see more of a benefit from the greater ease at rolling over obstacles (while many pros already fly over them).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    Okay, here I come- three caveats:

    3. No upsidedown riser to be offered from renowned handlebar manufacturer. Those on small frames want a low front end.
    You can get dropped direct mount stem though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado
    Any plans for a 2-650b-1?

    No seat buzz or downtube smacking?
    Cool project, let the hating begin!

    crikey, this rig reminds the troll killer of his daily driver. tk must have a 650b version and would wire funds directly to mr intenses' off shore account if he made them available.

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    Sweet!
    Can't wait to demo it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar
    If you're at Diablo look for the Lenz DH PBJ 29er my buddy will be on next season, if this comes to fruition I might delegate the Vtach to dedicated FR duty and rock this bad boy.
    If I'm at Diablo, the only looking I'll be doing is in the lift line for my next run...which will hopefully be US Open weekend. I'm gonna tape a tick sheet on my head tube to actually keep track of the number of laps I pull this year. 40+ per day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    Okay, here I come- three caveats:

    1. These rims are not tubeless or TLR- are they?
    2. Dissent does not have TLR bead- it a pity. We want to save weight for a race, utilizing a DH tube which weights about 500 grams will not help.
    3. No upsidedown riser to be offered from renowned handlebar manufacturer. Those on small frames want a low front end.

    Apart from the above all kudos to Intense. Gret job of showing those kiddie-wheel pansies who is the boss.

    ps. No 29er specific fork offset.
    I think Manitou is making a 29er specific Dorado. Not sure what the offset is though. I'm pretty sure it's not just a Dorado with limited travel, but I could be wrong.

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    I saw the title and thought it was going to be a tandem....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intense
    This was just a project I did in my spare time so I havn't lost focus on the main projects going on currently.
    which is.......

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    It should be easier to experiment with different fork offsets on a dc fork because you can just machine then bolt on new crowns. Bet you could even machine some drop crowns so you could use the full 8".

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShopMechanic
    Very stoked. I knew that Intense would be the first to make a legit 29er dh bike. I can't wait to see Kovarik ride it in a WC! The dh mtb world would explode!
    The only thing that explodes is his rear wheel. Did you ever see footage of how sideways Kovarik lands after whips?

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    We need a 40-48x5 or 6 times laced rear wheels on 165mm hubs with tall flanges for the rear. Perhaps 48 light spokes instead of 36x3 or 4 Alpine III.

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    So it's just a new set of drop outs.why no bigger discs? four piston calipers and 230mm discs. Hey how about dual discs up front?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    We need a 40-48x5 or 6 times laced rear wheels on 165mm hubs with tall flanges for the rear. Perhaps 48 light spokes instead of 36x3 or 4 Alpine III.
    Where do you get this drivel from?
    The trouble with having an open mind is that people will insist on trying to put things in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumo
    I saw the title and thought it was going to be a tandem....
    Might as well be. Can't wait to see the pro's results on this rig....

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    I love it. Damn sexy bike any way you slice it. Would want to see something more purpose built before laying money down though. My main concern would be how much the front end gets picked up.

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    Am I the only one who think that 29" DH bike, as well as almost of the others, looks ridiculously?
    IMO proposrions are disturbed.
    What about wheels we all try to build as light as possible? Dissent 26" is already nearly 1400g. 29" will be like 1600? more!?
    Dawidcopperfield wrote about 40-48x5-6 wheels. Another few hundred grams or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frango
    Am I the only one who think that 29" DH bike, as well as almost of the others, looks ridiculously?
    IMO proposrions are disturbed.
    What about wheels we all try to build as light as possible? Dissent 26" is already nearly 1400g. 29" will be like 1600? more!?
    Dawidcopperfield wrote about 40-48x5-6 wheels. Another few hundred grams or so.
    I don't think it looks ridiculous. Proportions are just different to what you're used to, but not hugely different. I'm sure Penny farthings were 'normal' in their day If you're trying to build something as light as possible, then go elsewhere? Horses for courses.

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    I like the look of the classic flatbars!

    Frango I agree most 29 bikes are clowny looking, but this one certainly doesn't resemble a hybrid bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frango
    Am I the only one who think that 29" DH bike, as well as almost of the others, looks ridiculously?
    IMO proposrions are disturbed.
    What about wheels we all try to build as light as possible? Dissent 26" is already nearly 1400g. 29" will be like 1600? more!?
    Dawidcopperfield wrote about 40-48x5-6 wheels. Another few hundred grams or so.
    The guys who first started mountain biking used 26" Schwinn cruiser wheels because they were the only fatter tires available at the time. Those bikes were made for kids. 26" wheels stuck because they were the only tires available.

    I don't usually have posed photos taken of myself but recently on a ride with my wife, she took a photo of me standing over my 5point5. When I saw the picture I noticed how small the wheels look in proportion to me. I'm not particularly tall at 5' 10.5". My next bike will be a Tracer 29.

    When climbing rough terrain I notice the extra effort needed to get over every rock and root. That phenomenon is reduced with 29" wheels.

    Wheels as light as possible? Both the male and female American leading racers are winning on 29" bikes.

    Who cares what it looks like. Do you ride your bike or look at it?

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    I'd buy one but even better, without all the development and marketing costs. Just make the "KIT" available to those who already have a 951! Buy a 29" fork, refit the rear triangle, buy a longer chain and there you have it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikerx
    I'd buy one but even better, without all the development and marketing costs. Just make the "KIT" available to those who already have a 951! Buy a 29" fork, refit the rear triangle, buy a longer chain and there you have it.
    That would be a great irde so you have the options of running both size wheels. i would be all over that

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    Quote Originally Posted by frango
    Am I the only one who think that 29" DH bike, as well as almost of the others, looks ridiculously?
    IMO proposrions are disturbed.
    What about wheels we all try to build as light as possible? Dissent 26" is already nearly 1400g. 29" will be like 1600? more!?
    Dawidcopperfield wrote about 40-48x5-6 wheels. Another few hundred grams or so.
    Go with 24" on both ends everything will be lighter.
    Dissent foldable without full DH casing is about 1200-1300. 150x12 weights more about 14 grams than 135x12mm so a 165mmx12 will weight another -15-20 grams in CK measures. 48x5/6 Aerolite spokes will be stronger than 36x4 Alpine and still lighter. This only for the rear. The whole bike might be done under 19kgs unless you weight a ton and need MX handlebars etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikerx
    I'd buy one but even better, without all the development and marketing costs. Just make the "KIT" available to those who already have a 951! Buy a 29" fork, refit the rear triangle, buy a longer chain and there you have it.
    Wouldn't it be easier just to have a 29er rear dropout kit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie
    I don't usually have posed photos taken of myself but recently on a ride with my wife, she took a photo of me standing over my 5point5. When I saw the picture I noticed how small the wheels look in proportion to me.
    Kinda contradicting yourself....
    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie
    Who cares what it looks like. Do you ride your bike or look at it?
    29 wheels climb well, sure.... but they SUCK when you have to turn them at speed.

    The feedback from the Intense WC racers regarding this bike should be hilarious. (If they can even be convinced to ride it.)

    Regardless, props to Mr. Steber for continuing to push the limits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GLIDE
    Kinda contradicting yourself....


    29 wheels climb well, sure.... but they SUCK when you have to turn them at speed.
    Get a 20mm offset 26 fork and you'll see how 26" wheels suck to be turned. You'll be on 24". No take a 60mm offset 29er DH fork and try anew. Dorado with 38-40mm offset must be sluggish. You'll get around 130mm trail whereas 26er dH have about 100mm that's a huge difference.

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    Can anyone tell me what bar that is ? Thx.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie
    Wheels as light as possible? Both the male and female American leading racers are winning on 29" bikes.
    Those exact same US racers were fast before they were riding 29ers. And I bet they would have had a good chance to win on a 26er too. If you play the "used by the racers" game, what did they win on the WC circuit on their 29er?
    Ride whatever you want, but until someone does a full scientific test with timing, data recording and SRM crankset it is not proven that 29ers make you faster. "It feels faster" doesn't count.
    BTW: an Intense red frame makes me feel so much faster than a black frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iRider
    Those exact same US racers were fast before they were riding 29ers. And I bet they would have had a good chance to win on a 26er too. If you play the "used by the racers" game, what did they win on the WC circuit on their 29er?
    Ride whatever you want, but until someone does a full scientific test with timing, data recording and SRM crankset it is not proven that 29ers make you faster. "It feels faster" doesn't count.
    BTW: an Intense red frame makes me feel so much faster than a black frame.
    You can scoff all you want but here's an example of what I'm referring to:

    "Now Willow on a 29"

    Note the following quote:

    "Well, this past weekend we traveled to Windham, NY for the final round of the US Cup series. She raced it again in the XC and what do ya know, she won!!!! I was so excited not that she was riding a 29er (although very sweet) but that it was the first time I had ever seen her win a race in my four years with the team. Congrates to you Willow!"

    Yeah, not very scientific but they are winning. If you are not interested in looking at the thread, it was her first race on a 29.

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    i don't think it's an all new frame,it's a lengthened set of drop outs that make the wheels fit,no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by herbn
    i don't think it's an all new frame,it's a lengthened set of drop outs that make the wheels fit,no?
    That would be great. 2 sets of drop outs for different wheels. I would be all over a 951 if thats the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie
    You can scoff all you want but here's an example of what I'm referring to:
    She got 3rd at worlds on a 29er too.

    My point is that a with this bike it is possible to do a scientific test between a regular 951 and the 2951 and see which is faster on a certain kind of track.
    With SRM cranks, powertap, stopwatches, data recording equipment etc around it shouldn't be a problem to PROVE that they are faster or slower. Funny is that most of the 29er followers are not interested in this approach. Afraid that the results show that they are riding the "wrong" wheel size?
    29ers are a just another option what to ride, which is good. However, why are people thinking they need to be on a crusade and convince everybody that what they ride is best for everybody else too? And on top of it without arguments that are not based on "feel".

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    You could realisticly convert in about a half hour, the dropouts could stay with the wheel,the calipers would switchover and probabely line right up. You'd be switching the fork with the wheel still in it or how long would it take to convert the fork back to full travel for the 26 inch wheel,it's qr 20 so that's a second. I'd stay with the flatbar and maybe throw a bit of a spacer under the stem,maybe, i like a low bar, it has less leverage to endo. This bike is the perfect test bike for a theory that's been floated that as headtube angle get slacker the advantage of bigger wheels is less,because the 26 inch wheels already roll over stuff easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iRider
    Those exact same US racers were fast before they were riding 29ers. And I bet they would have had a good chance to win on a 26er too. If you play the "used by the racers" game, what did they win on the WC circuit on their 29er?
    Ride whatever you want, but until someone does a full scientific test with timing, data recording and SRM crankset it is not proven that 29ers make you faster. "It feels faster" doesn't count.
    BTW: an Intense red frame makes me feel so much faster than a black frame.

    I would say "It feels faster" does count for something. "Feeling fast" inspires confidence, and I would argue a good portion of "being fast" is mental. Therefore, I reason "feeling fast" actually makes you faster.

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    Oh yeah, I think the "Intense red" makes you faster too So does a carbon wrapped seatpost...

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    Just a note here , this is a 29" specific frame and I built it on my proto jig and not on production tooling.The geometry , bb height etc would be all jacked up by just putting 29" wheels on a stock 951. I did design it so that it is compatable with the stock 951 rear as this could be bolted on and you have a 69er , we will test this out at some point.The suspention points are in the same locations so the rear drop outs on the standard rear end up being lowwer and so the geometry stays the same as in the full 29" mode. This is also possible on our Spider 29 frame and we have sold a handfull of Spider 69er's.

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    Oops, I misunderstood - thinking there was a 29" specific rear triangle mated to a stock 951 front triangle. Sorry to mislead with the "KIT" comment.

    Thanks for the correction Jeff, I'll just have to take it the way it is then. I have a nice Kris Holm 29" wheelset to bolt on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikerx
    Oops, I misunderstood - thinking there was a 29" specific rear triangle mated to a stock 951 front triangle. Sorry to mislead with the "KIT" comment.

    Thanks for the correction Jeff, I'll just have to take it the way it is then. I have a nice Kris Holm 29" wheelset to bolt on.
    I also thought that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intense
    Just a note here , this is a 29" specific frame and I built it on my proto jig and not on production tooling.The geometry , bb height etc would be all jacked up by just putting 29" wheels on a stock 951. I did design it so that it is compatable with the stock 951 rear as this could be bolted on and you have a 69er , we will test this out at some point.The suspention points are in the same locations so the rear drop outs on the standard rear end up being lowwer and so the geometry stays the same as in the full 29" mode. This is also possible on our Spider 29 frame and we have sold a handfull of Spider 69er's.
    Nice. Can you post a picture from a 951 in "6951" mode? I think it would just look nicer than the 2951. And when we take a look into the motocross scene we can see similar speced bikes with a large front wheel and a smaler rear. I think that could be one way to go and try out too.

    Edit: And I just saw that there is a new headtube on the frame too. Looks a bit like those from Commencal where you can adjust the head angle. Nice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snojcb
    I'm 6'5" and have a hard time finding a DH bike to fit me (on a Large V10 right now and it's not quite long enough). An XXL '2951' with a 25.5-26 inch ett would be perfect!

    Let me know when I can order it. I'll be the first in line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christmtb
    Can anyone tell me what bar that is ? Thx.
    Gravity 777, to be specific. No Gravity Light flat bar, and the 777 is only available in the silver finish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biking_2003
    I would say "It feels faster" does count for something. "Feeling fast" inspires confidence, and I would argue a good portion of "being fast" is mental. Therefore, I reason "feeling fast" actually makes you faster.
    Just an example: I used a set of Minions on a 5 min DH run. They felt fast and solid in the corners. A hint from a semi-pro racer made me try a set of Highrollers again that I had used there before but took off the bike because I didn't like how they felt. And indeed, they felt sketchy in the corners and I would have sworn they were slower. But they were reproducibly 10 sec faster on that day.
    Lesson learned for me. The stopwatch doesn't lie.

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    That bike is HOT. Now get some seriously fast guys riding it with some impressions! I'm guessing if they're anything like the PB&J ride impressions this bike is going to be huge.

    Any action pics?

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    I was down at the factory yesterday for the full tour with Andrew and rode around on it a bit. When I first saw it in the 'R&D' room I couldn't believe that was it because I had just seen it here. I couldn't get much from riding on pavement but something I would definately want to demo!

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    I pulled up the video but only got sound. Can you post the video rather than a link to mtbr or pinkbike or some other place that can handle the viewing a little better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShopMechanic
    I pulled up the video but only got sound. Can you post the video rather than a link to mtbr or pinkbike or some other place that can handle the viewing a little better?
    Likewise, I also only got sound.

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    Cool video. Looks like you had a lot of fun out there. How is the 2951 going down the hills?

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    Posted on Bikerumor.com

    Hey, sweet bike! Posted it on Bikerumor.com for all to see.

    http://www.bikerumor.com/2009/11/17/...mountain-bike/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    ...Dissent foldable without full DH casing is about 1200-1300...
    Nice mis-information, as usual.
    Those tires (in 29") do not exist. The pre-production wire bead Dissent 29x2.5 that I have (same as on this bike) weighs 1280g.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iRider
    She got 3rd at worlds on a 29er too.

    My point is that a with this bike it is possible to do a scientific test between a regular 951 and the 2951 and see which is faster on a certain kind of track.
    With SRM cranks, powertap, stopwatches, data recording equipment etc around it shouldn't be a problem to PROVE that they are faster or slower. Funny is that most of the 29er followers are not interested in this approach. Afraid that the results show that they are riding the "wrong" wheel size?
    29ers are a just another option what to ride, which is good. However, why are people thinking they need to be on a crusade and convince everybody that what they ride is best for everybody else too? And on top of it without arguments that are not based on "feel".
    I would gladly have testing done via stopwatch, GPS, and other data acquisition methods, but power meters are not really useful for off road comparisons. There is too much that has to do with the bikes' ability to roll/travel efficiently without power input from the rider.

    From my own tire testing using a Garmin Edge GPS I have found that what feels "fast" is not necessarily "fast" on the trail. It is very interesting to see where speed is gained, maintained and lost, and not just the overall elapsed time differences.
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    where'd the video go????

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    Quote Originally Posted by A. Nony Moose
    where'd the video go????
    Here: http://www.imountainbiketrails.com/S...roup_ride.html
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    teaser video of the bike in action

    <object height="480" width="640"><param value="true" name="allowfullscreen"/><param value="always" name="allowscriptaccess"/><param value="http://www.vitalmtb.com/vplayer/910%2Emp4" name="movie"/><param value="xml_path=http://www.vitalmtb.com/vdata/afd082754eb35d32aa475a21bb463291?embed=true" name="flashvars"/><param value="application/x-shockwave-flash" name="type"/><embed src="http://www.vitalmtb.com/vplayer/910%2Emp4" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" height="480" width="640" flashvars="xml_path=http://www.vitalmtb.com/vdata/afd082754eb35d32aa475a21bb463291?embed=true"></embed></object><p style="margin-top: 0;"><a href="http://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/features/Prototype-Intense-2951-Feature-Teaser,910/sspomer,2">Prototype Intense 2951 Feature Teaser</a> - More <a href="http://www.vitalmtb.com">Mountain Bike Videos</a></p>
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    Have to say you are right about that being a tease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    I saw the bike running in Fontana today at the downhill race. Bike looks really good. The front tire got pinched through the Pro Rockgarden section toward the top, so he was not able to finish. Seems no one really makes a heavy duty 29'r tire yet.

    As was mentioned earlier in the thread, there will probably more of these 29'r rigs popping up. Probably won't be toop long until some good 29'r downhill specific tires are available.

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    anybody know what she weighs in at?

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    Any word on this? How's testing going?
    Anything worth doing is worth overdoing.

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    The Bike in Action

    <object height="360" width="640"><param value="true" name="allowfullscreen"/><param value="always" name="allowscriptaccess"/><param value="http://www.vitalmtb.com/vplayer/918%2Emp4" name="movie"/><param value="xml_path=http://www.vitalmtb.com/vdata/79e3ec4d351db808eb0036da649eeab6?embed=true" name="flashvars"/><param value="application/x-shockwave-flash" name="type"/><embed src="http://www.vitalmtb.com/vplayer/918%2Emp4" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" height="360" width="640" flashvars="xml_path=http://www.vitalmtb.com/vdata/79e3ec4d351db808eb0036da649eeab6?embed=true"></embed></object><p style="margin-top: 0;"><a href="http://www.vitalmtb.com/videos/features/The-Prototype-Intense-2951,918/sspomer,2">The Prototype Intense 2951</a> - More <a href="http://www.vitalmtb.com">Mountain Bike Videos</a></p>

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    Any news on this bad boy?

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    I have never, and probably will never, ride a 29er...but i think is awesome that you're experimenting and sharing the experience with the Intense community. Great work!

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    oh please make them, at least in a small run

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    Berm shots exhbit 29 fail. Bust em or jump em, cuz you cant rail em with that limo.

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    As Jimmy Fallon once said...
    "And were back......"


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    Man in the box, you better watch it.

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    So how is it going with the testing? What is the verdict?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield View Post
    So how is it going with the testing? What is the verdict?

    We felt it was huge success at the time & everyone one who tried it out did not want to give it back. JD Swanguen did some pro DH racers on it last season.
    The weak link was good pro caliber DH tires but there are some new choices now so guess what I will be building a few more 2951 & maybe a M29 for JD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr intense View Post
    We felt it was huge success at the time & everyone one who tried it out did not want to give it back. JD Swanguen did some pro DH racers on it last season.
    The weak link was good pro caliber DH tires but there are some new choices now so guess what I will be building a few more 2951 & maybe a M29 for JD.
    Great to hear! Keep us updated.

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    How is the Dorado 29er different from 26er with a spacer? Is there a 29er specific offset in the fork?
    I can't believe that a 29er handles just ike the 26er with the same rake. Trail with 38mm offset might be about 110-120mm whereas 26ers have about 95mm.
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    How do you tackle this problem?

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    @mr intense any ideas on the fork offset and general handling in the tight switchbacks? I'm interested in this thing. That's why Fisher/Trek G2 has 51mm offset forks.

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    Any updates? Any new tyres to mount them onto this beast? Any Boxxer 29er fork?

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