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    Who's interested in taking an advanced level skills clinic?

    I just thought I'd ask if anybody might be interested in getting together a group of approx 6 + to share costs for something. That something is some skills training by a pro rider, Lee McCormack. (www.leelikesbikes.com). He co-wrote "Mastering Mountain Bike Skills" with Brian Lopes, and he does training camps.

    Really cool guy, I emailed him and anyway, I don't know the costs, but he said If I/we were interested, he would put some proposal together.

    So, if I may take a poll please, just a couple simple questions:

    1. In general, would you possibly be interested in something like this?
    2. Would you have the time, like a full spring or summer day or maybe two full days on a weekend?
    3. Would you be able to come up with some discretionary funds to combine to pay for this? (I'll find out the costs if there is interest, and we can see what it would be per person)
    By the way, he says the costs are the same regardless of how many more over 6, but it sounds like 6 is the minimum.
    4. What would you like to improve on with professional coaching (other than fitness; talking skills here)?

    I appreciate your time, and if you're not interested you really don't need to respond, as I really am not asking for sarcasm here, but I am using the board as the main population, I'm not going to go drum up interest, I don't have the time. Either folks are interested or they're not.
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    Springtime or summer, 1 or 2 days would be cool. I'd like to learn better cornering and jumping techniques. I also would like to learn to manual and hit drops better. I like Lee's stuff a lot.

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    sounds interesting

    Drops, jumps, cornering, steep roll offs (if thats what there called) Is there a maximum number in the group he will teach. One or two days would be cool. It would all depend on the final costs for me.
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    Well I think he wants 6, but it sounds like he'd be willing to teach a few more:

    "Sure!

    I can set up a custom program to meet your needs. Do you have a crew that?s willing to share costs? I can teach up to six people at a time. The total cost is the same no matter how many riders you have.

    If you?re into it, tell me a bit about your crew and what kind of time you have, and I?ll send you a bid.

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    I think I'm willing to spend $100 max for a course like this.

    Preferably I'd like to do this sometime in the summer since I'm gonna need spring to get up to snuff.

    You guys know Shaum March was here last year for the big BSU OAP convention right? He put on a class, but it was only open to convention attendees. That woulda been fun to learn from one of the best.

    This past summer I wanted to take one of Dirt Dart's downhill clinics up at Tamarack, but just couldn't make it work. Hopefully he teaches it again next summer and I'm over my mental block of Super G by then .

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    Right on Nick. Yeah that amount per person is about what I had in mind too, so I'll be getting back with him soon, and then with you guys.

    And no I didn't know SM was here. I wonder where he put the class on, that would have been awesome to take part in
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    I'd be in for $100. Need to learn to wheelie drop.
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    read the thread, comment, etc. I'm thinking spring or early summer of course:


    understand. Few people see the $$$ value in coaching.

    New wheels cost $500 and yield a negligible improvement. New skills cost half that and can chang everything. The top DHers I work with save a second in every corner. ... And they were already pretty good!

    Thanks for rocking this,

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    PS: We can always do a mondo huge group.



    On 1/15/07 8:07 PM, "Daryl King" <[email protected]> wrote:


    Hi Lee,



    Me, I think it sounds awesome. Some folks here were saying they had to stay at like $100+ each, so I've posted on mtbr and will talk to a few more people to see about recruiting more.



    Myself, I'm okay with $240 but guess I need to get it down for the other people.



    I'll get back with ya soon; and thank you!



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    Hey Daryl,

    I can do more riders ? you just lose some 1:1 attention (and save some money). If you?re all about the same level that isn?t such a a big deal. One thing that?s awesome about your group doing it: You all can coach each other going forward. You?ll need someone to keep you on track.

    From your list, seems like we need two days. Estimate:

    Mileage: $640
    Lodging: N/A ? but maybe a borrowed shower ...
    Two 1/2 days of riding: $800


    We?ll do a couple hours of drills, then apply the skills for a couple more. I promise people will be burning out ... It?s a lot of physical and mental work.

    Total: $1440

    Shared among 6 riders, that?s $240 each. ... $240 that?ll change your life!

    Steps:



    Pick dates
    Prepay the sum to me (you collect from your bros)
    Pick locations
    Rip it!


    What do you think?

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    Sorry man....$240 is too rich for my blood.

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    that's why trying to get more people
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    Yeah I've had paychecks totaling less than $240. I know it's worth it, but I simply cannot afford it at THAT price.
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    We'll be working to get it down to around $100 for all to make it happen. YOU could probably be a co-instructor!
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    I can't commit but if you hit $100 I would seriously consider.

    It is important to get it on good terain. Most of the boise foot hills would be better served by a road racer as it is very smooth.

    I would want a broad topic coverage. wheelie drops are nice but I'd like to see cornering, line selection, climbing, variety drops (wheelie, small stuff etc)
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    I'm probably in for $100 if the timing fits. Thanks for working on this, D.

    I'd like to be able to ride Big Wood & Rock Islands stuff with total command and control of the terrain. Learning to wheelie and manual better would be fun, as well as trackstands on rocks, with better side-hops to position the bike for technical negotiations. That sort of thing. I'm not interested in learning how to go downhill faster.

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    Taking a count

    Well, that's about 8 people so far and this was just posted. Not bad!
    I'm confident we can get the number up to 12, and then the price per person goes down to just a bit over $100.

    Once we get the numbers I'll ask who's really committed so we really have the numbers, then I'll have to collect and send a check to Lee.

    We'll plan well ahead accordingly for a spring or early summer day that we know the forecast is good, trail conditions are good, and we'll have to choose a few different locations.

    Thank you guys so far!
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    Daryl ---

    What is the timeline for making a committment, getting $ to you/Lee, etc.? Uhhhh I may need to ask for either a partial loan or pay the fee in several installments. Sorry, but I'm spread very thin right now .

    What about issuing of refunds if we have already given you the $, but can't make it for some reason? If I make a $ committment, more than likely I will be able to make it. But ya' never know what kind of monkey wrench could be thrown into my plans.

    I'm like CBro...I'd like to be able to ride stuff like Rock Islands or the stuff Ian is building up at Bogus (never ridden up there though) more comfortably instead of being a wuss.

    I'd also like to be a better rider at places like Tamarack and Brundage. I wanna be able to take corners much more faster and actually hit jumps with some style instead of looking like a flaming goofball.

    Oh...and I don't wanna crash anymore. Crashing sucks and screws with me mentally.


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    One more thing.....

    Would Lee be open to receiving payments by individuals using a CC or perhaps something like PayPal? If I could put this on my AMEX, I think I'll have enough Reward Points to get a flat screen for the doublewide!! Or does he just deal strictly with cash payments?

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    I'm in.......maybe?

    Darryl,

    I can swing $100 but not until April. Mommy put a freeze on the Mt. Bike funds. For awhile.
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    I'm probably up for about $150. I am currently unemployed, but I'll find something in short order. Also, I know of 1 or 2 people who I could most probably convince to join in on it.

    During summer break, I could do it anytime, and if it was during school, it'd have to be at least one of the days on a weekend, preferably both.

    I know I'm going to get a hard time for saying this, but personally, I'd prefer it to be mainly skill related, so therefore, it might be a good idea to do some shuttles. If we're going to be riding for hours on end, and having to climb a lot:
    1) I'm simply not going to be able to keep up!
    2) I feel like doing A LOT OF climbing would be somewhat worthless, because it's not teaching us anything to burn a bunch of calories.
    3) That leaves more time for working on what really matters like cornering, braking, and other items of interest.


    As a matter of fact, I think that potentially, it would be a good idea to do it somewhere lift services such as Tamarack or Brundage. I know you guys aren't into the whole DH and FR thing, but there are plenty of trails that are easy enough for my mother to ride and trails that give me reason to slow down. With the vast variety in terrain, there's plenty of examples of any kind of trail obstacle imaginable. And that way, we could cover TONS of ground with half the physical effort. I'm not looking to get physically stronger through this; I just want to improve my skill set.

    Personally, I'd like to see the emphasis be more on stuff that will make me a faster rider, such as cornering technique, but really anything I learn from it would make me better.

    So you can count me in as long as it's going to be fairly fitting to my style of riding. I'm not asking for a DH camp by any stretch, but I think it would be good for all participating for it to be more focused on skill learning and reinforcement than for it to be thoughrally exausting.

    Well I'd like to see what you have to say about my suggestions, and we'll go from there.

    And if you guys aren't interested in having my lazy freeriding ass along, absolutely no hard feelings whatsoever. I wouldn't want to be a burden and hold you guys up, and there's simply no way I can do a great deal of climbing with a single chainring bike.


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    Lee dropping in

    Hi guys. Lee here. I hope we can make this happen. A few notes about my normal style:

    - It's all about fundamental skills. We'll learn the basics in a really sterile environment, like a parking lot. You can't learn to wheelie drop on a gnarly DH -- you gotta start off a curb ...

    - I suggest we start each day with a specific focus. Day one might be position, braking and cornering. We'll do a bunch of drills, eat lunch then apply the skills on real terrain.

    - Day two might be more hop/drop/jump related. I'll tweak the program to suit you guys.

    - The more time we spend focusing on specific skills and features, the better. You don't want to pay for an hour-long climb!

    I look forward to riding with you all.

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    Don't you think the riders who are willing to spend this kind of money know at least the basics? I was just thinking on-trail learning may be more relevant to learning than in a parking lot for people of competent skill level. I'm open to whatever, I'm just making suggestions and comments.

    Just curious, how much time do you think we would be spending in the parking lot?

    The more time we spend focusing on specific skills and features, the better. You don't want to pay for an hour-long climb!
    Hence the reason I think it would be a good idea to try and do lift serviced. Downhill riding is essentially all technique and learned skills, so it would seem like a good idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by DelTaco
    Don't you think the riders who are willing to spend this kind of money know at least the basics?
    Every rider I've ever worked with -- from beginner to pro, myself included -- starts with flaws in basic skills. Everything you do on a bike comes from a few core dynamics. Imagine a tree. I start with the trunk of the tree, then we work our way up whichever branches you like.

    Every advanced skill -- the fruit up in the tree -- has a number of prerequisite sub-skills. I won't ask someone to huck off a drop until his position is correct, he knows how to shift his weight, etc.

    If you guys get the basics right away, we'll move on. But we won't skip steps. Most people take a couple hours of drills to "get it" -- and weeks of practice to make it automatic.

    "Advanced" riders tend to resist this at first, but I guarantee it works.

    The Incycle team had a bunch of expert racers, and they all improved. Scroll down.
    http://www.leelikesbikes.com/califor...c-madness.html

    Here's a note from their team captain
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    Lee Likes Boise (I hope) - Kung Fu time

    How about a special session at a local pumptrack to build those kung fu skills, eh? Since lv2ride, DelTaco, and myself all have tracks, surely we could get Lee out here to the "hinterlands" (Lee - this means anything outside Boise metro which is one of the smallest metro areas in the country ) to pass on the pumptrack mojo....

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    Quote Originally Posted by leelikesbikes
    Every rider I've ever worked with -- from beginner to pro, myself included -- starts with flaws in basic skills. Everything you do on a bike comes from a few core dynamics. Imagine a tree. I start with the trunk of the tree, then we work our way up whichever branches you like.

    Every advanced skill -- the fruit up in the tree -- has a number of prerequisite sub-skills. I won't ask someone to huck off a drop until his position is correct, he knows how to shift his weight, etc.

    If you guys get the basics right away, we'll move on. But we won't skip steps. Most people take a couple hours of drills to "get it" -- and weeks of practice to make it automatic.

    "Advanced" riders tend to resist this at first, but I guarantee it works.

    The Incycle team had a bunch of expert racers, and they all improved. Scroll down.
    http://www.leelikesbikes.com/califor...c-madness.html

    Here's a note from their team captain
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    I understand and I just wasn't entirely sure whether or not you realized we weren't total beginners, but I was wrong...

    I have every intention to do this, and want to improve. I'm an expert level DH racer, and I consider myself to be a fairly proficient freerider, but there's tons of room for improvement in anyone, particularly myself.

    And I figured that the class will be working mainly on finesse skills as opposed to the balls and bravado required to huck your brains out. I have what it takes to throw myself off rather large cliffs and ride out of it, and I can take on most downhill runs without hesitation, but I would LOVE to become a faster and smoother rider.

    So basically, I'm looking forward to this in a major way, regardless of how you handle it. I'm confident that I'll become a better rider from it, and cannot wait already!

    Also, I'm just curious as to what type of riding you would consider yourself most proficient at... I know you've got the pump track obsession, and I can relate being as I have my own. It's probably not a great track by your standards, but I built it to have a blast and just keep in shape more than anything...

    Later,
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    Also, it looks like Tyler is planning on it if we can get the price pretty close to $100.
    So you can count me in on it, and Tyler most likely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DelTaco
    Also, I'm just curious as to what type of riding you would consider yourself most proficient at...
    Gee, I don't know. It's funny: The more I learn, the more I realize I still have infinite progression ahead of me. I'm really proud of my skills -- my fundamentals are very solid -- but now I realize I'm nowhere near the end, or the top, or whatever.

    I really love general natural terrain. Aggressive XC/Super D style. For me, that brings it all together: DH, freeride, dirt jump, pump track, XC. Put me on an Enduro and let me rock.

    But I'll ride a pump track any time. Pump Track Nation!

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    Awesome, this is taking on momentum. Trevor, for me the basics are things I have not got down, but that I want a right start and am willing to practice. Also, to have help recognizing, unlearning and replacing bad habits with good ones-I know I got em! (some bad habits)
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    Quote Originally Posted by leelikesbikes

    - It's all about fundamental skills. We'll learn the basics in a really sterile environment, like a parking lot. You can't learn to wheelie drop on a gnarly DH -- you gotta start off a curb ...
    What kind of skills would you teach in a parking lot? The only things I've done in a parking lot are riding curbs and trying to bunny hop over curbs. I'll try trackstands too.

    I've got your book at home. I should probably read it again.

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    i'd more than likely throw in on this.

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    I need to get Lee's book. I haven't seen it anywhere though. Rei? Amazon? Others?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlliKat
    I need to get Lee's book. I haven't seen it anywhere though. Rei? Amazon? Others?
    I think you can get it right from Lee's site as well: http://www.leelikesbikes.com/masteri...n-bike-skills/
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlliKat
    I need to get Lee's book. I haven't seen it anywhere though. Rei? Amazon? Others?
    We (REI) don't carry it either in the store or online. I know Amazon has it cuz that's where I bought mine. I know Barnes & Noble had it when I was shopping over there over the holidays. Not too sure about Borders.

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    B&N works.

    Do you have a regular schedule at REI? I should meet you next time I'm in there. Where would I find you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by leelikesbikes
    I really love general natural terrain. Aggressive XC/Super D style. For me, that brings it all together: DH, freeride, dirt jump, pump track, XC. Put me on an Enduro and let me rock.
    Sounds like myself... I race DH, hit big cliff drops, Throw down road gaps, Dirt Jump, ride XC and street, and pump rollers all on a 6 inch bike.

    I'm getting more and more psyched for this!

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    Two in stock at B & N

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    I need to get Lee's book. I haven't seen it anywhere though. Rei? Amazon? Others?
    AlliKat -

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    So where are we on this? Is this a go or not? Because I'm for sure on it now, as long as the price isn't much over $150...
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    I figured this thread of course will drop down, but was going to post updates here and there. I wanted to give it some time, then will ask who is actually committed. At that time I will ask for a $ commitment and folks can either meet me, or mail me the funds, I'll depost them and then send Lee a check.

    I am thinking spring with no rain and good conditions or early summer.

    Where is a good big dirt lot we can use?
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    There's plenty of dirt parking lots, such as behind camelsback. Maybe top of table rock?
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    I spoke with a guy at work and he was pretty interested and thought some of his riding buddies would be too. I'm sure he'll post...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlliKat
    I spoke with a guy at work and he was pretty interested and thought some of his riding buddies would be too. I'm sure he'll post...
    Good.


    So far, I'm seeing for sure:
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    Anybody else?
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    1898? Trevor, we don't need to be taking a headcount of commited riders yet; we also have something else in the works. It'll happen, so relax, young ripper

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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrdr98
    IAt that time I will ask for a $ commitment and folks can either meet me, or mail me the funds, I'll depost them and then send Lee a check.
    Daryl --- What is your guesstimate for when you will tell folks to pay up? As of right now...I won't be good until after April.
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    Oh, I see. and the 1898 was supposed to be a funny...

    I guess I can be patient. I'm just so stoked!

    By the way, I just bought lee's book, along with a 115dB bike horn on amazon. I'll let you know how they are...
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    I'm thinking April or May. We'll get a firm headcount in a while. Also, we're waiting to hear back from Doug of BYRDS (Thanks Harry). the BYRDS may participate, if they can and if Lee can book extra time here. Both groups would get a discount as Lee emailed me.

    Anyway, for sure I want to keep our group to no more than 12, and Ideally would like to get it down to 10 as we need one on one as well....................

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    Update

    Double H or his wife are going to contact Doug Tobin of the BYRDS, to see if he wants to get them in thier own clinic with Lee. Not in our group, but during the same time Lee is here, if both groups can do it. We may get a discount for this, so I'll keep ya informed.

    After, I want to get a firm headcount and commitment and then we can set a date, pool funds and send a check to Lee. Again, this should only be just a little over $100 each, but we may be able to have a smaller group depending on size of any discounts given.

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    Would that cut the cost by $400 for us? Because he said $800 of the cost was driving, so if we and BYRDS split the cost of him driving here...

    So if that be the case, then we be down to $800, which means 8 riders at $100, or about $135 per for 6 riders.
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    here's what he said;
    Hey Daryl,

    The BYRDS thing sounds good. Iíd just have to stay longer and add a session.

    12 people is going to be a real handful. Itís twice my normal max ó people will learn a lot, but they wonít get the normal custom action. Iíll tell you, if you could get 6 to pay the $240, everyone will have a better experience.

    GET THIS: If we add a group (the BYRDS), you all split the travel costs, so the per-person goes down.

    Hypothetically:

    Travel: $640
    Group A: $800
    Group B: $800
    Total: $2240
    Two groups of six: $187 each

    So, yeah, another group would be great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrdr98
    here's what he said;
    Hey Daryl,

    The BYRDS thing sounds good. Iíd just have to stay longer and add a session.

    12 people is going to be a real handful. Itís twice my normal max ó people will learn a lot, but they wonít get the normal custom action. Iíll tell you, if you could get 6 to pay the $240, everyone will have a better experience.

    GET THIS: If we add a group (the BYRDS), you all split the travel costs, so the per-person goes down.

    Hypothetically:

    Travel: $640
    Group A: $800
    Group B: $800
    Total: $2240
    Two groups of six: $187 each

    So, yeah, another group would be great!
    Awesome. I'd be up for paying that for a group of six no problem, but finding others that would may be a bit difficult. Tyler probably couldn't round up $187.
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    $187 each
    Daryl --- if that is what it's looking to be...I'm unfortunately gonna have to bow out. $100 is gonna have to be my max. Sorry!

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    No we'll get it down to less, when we take a headcount. I want you in man!

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    Daryl,

    Just to let you know, I've been watching your thread and am interested ... no matter what the cost.


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    for two groups, 22 (11 each group) equals $101/ea. For one group 14 equals $103/ea. Though we probably owe lodging for 2 days.

    I have a group I ride with that likely would have more people which might up us closer to 2 groups.
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    Just got Lee's book. it is excellent.

    so when are you thinking head countage will occur?
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    Double H have you guys heard back from Doug yet? I guess it might take him a little while to see if he can be in on this. Let's find that out first, then we'll take a firm headcount, contact Lee, decide on a dates, collect and send funds.

    sound good?

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    No word yet

    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrdr98
    Double H have you guys heard back from Doug yet? I guess it might take him a little while to see if he can be in on this. Let's find that out first, then we'll take a firm headcount, contact Lee, decide on a dates, collect and send funds.

    sound good?

    Hey, D -

    No word yet. I just left him a voice message this morning and hope to hear back soon. I'll definitely keep you posted.

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    when are you thinking of running it?

    I'm almost thinking that a good idea would be do day one here in B-town, and day two up at Tamarack where we can practice our new skills in a more natural environment.


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    No it would cut our costs by $320.00, because $640 is driving (travel). Split that then add the cost for our group which doesn't change $800; that makes it $1120. It would be nice to have a max of only six people, if we can find six who can pay $187 (which is what Lee said above). Personally I want fewer people and if we get more interest than six, I hate to say this but maybe we will want to "lottery it", and the spots go to those willing to pay a bit more? The less people we have the more effective. But you know what, that's just a thought, as I certainly don't want to count anybody out who wants to do this - within reason - he said 12 people is double what he normally does......... thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkrdr98
    No it would cut our costs by $320.00, because $640 is driving (travel). Split that then add the cost for our group which doesn't change $800; that makes it $1120. It would be nice to have a max of only six people, if we can find six who can pay $187 (which is what Lee said above). Personally I want fewer people and if we get more interest than six, I hate to say this but maybe we will want to "lottery it", and the spots go to those willing to pay a bit more? The less people we have the more effective. But you know what, that's just a thought, as I certainly don't want to count anybody out who wants to do this - within reason - he said 12 people is double what he normally does......... thoughts?
    My thoughts:
    If we get 6 riders to commit, awesome!
    If we get 7-9, still awesome!
    If we get 10-15, two groups and we're good!
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    Did that

    Quote Originally Posted by DelTaco
    Just got Lee's book. it is excellent.

    so when are you thinking head countage will occur?
    So if we can get 5 more willing to come up with about $240 each I think it is, then we are good. If anybody wants to try and round up more people, go for it. I have only been using this board, which is such a small section of SW Idaho Mtn Bikers, most don't even go on here.

    I think this is only going to happen if we can get 6 people at $240 each. That's what he charges and that's darn fair to come all the way over here, stay, etc.........
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