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    Where in Montana?

    I'm thinking about checking out Montana. I'd like to eventually live outside of town, but at first I want to find a fairly populated area with good group rides and great trails.

    I'm a web programmer, so I'll be bringing my job with me. And I won't try to change the local politics, that's why I'm leaving Vermont. Lots of old hippies are moving here and raising taxes and making it impossible to build a house without a lawyer. I do lots of trail maintenance, and am the guy with the tools in his backpack.

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    Butte
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    Bozeman, or Missoula are the only two towns that dont suck. Kalispel ain't bad either, but a lot more out there.

    Billings is a **** hole with a bunch of meth heads. Butte is just dirty.

    I love Bozeman, its a great town. Great fishing, great snowboarding, pretty good biking, decent social scene.

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    greeetings green mountain mountain biker

    Bozeman and Missoula have the big universities, the best weather and the best looking girls, culture, resturaounts, bars, breweries and tons of riding close to town. Other parts of the state can be backwards, arch conservative, anti bike, toxic (butte) SUPER windy (great falls Livingston Big Timber) but the whole damn state has more *****in riding of every type imagainable than you can shake a stick at. You have to TRY to find places where other people are riding otherwise you will be all alone in the boonies just you and the bears. Id recommend peeking at Whitefish Lewistown Red Lodge and Dillon really pretty smaller towns but less culture.

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    The Anaconda/Georgetown Lake area is beautiful, but quiet. Many back country trails around Georgetown. I live in Butte, it is a bit dirty but has its own personality. I will have to agree with Mikey Montana, Bozeman and Missoula are beautiful towns, (cities) I believe they are the third and fourth largest cities in Montana.

    I would have to say that Missoula probably has the most cyclists. Many of them use bikes for commute, most Butte rats refer to them as hippies.

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    length of riding season in Butte?

    how long is the riding season in or within an hour of Butte/Anaconda? How often is it over 85 degrees during the summer? Thanks.

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    Helena

    Helena is a pretty cool mountain biking town. Very biker friendly. Probably the best trail system from town in the state (no driving to trailheads here). More trails every year thanks to Prickly Pear Land Trust.

    Nightlife, not as much to do as Bozone or the Zoo, but we have a couple of good breweries. Lots of mountain bikers have a brew at the Blackfoot Brewery. We also have more and more good music coming through town, especially in the summer.

    Lots of programming jobs with it being the State Capitol.

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    Riding season is decent. Ive been riding since the ski resorts closed in mid april. Encountered a lot of wet trails, but still had a lot of fun. It gets pretty warm. This is an elevated desert. Realy dry out here. Hell it was 80 degrees on saturday in Bozeman. Last year we had a two week strech of 90+ degree weather in July. That is pretty uncommon though.

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    I feel guilty

    I feel a little guilty for calling Butte "toxic" particularly since I am constantly going there on vacation. People obviously love it there and the biking absoloutly rocks from the urban freeride downtown to the *****in mountain biking and pipestone pass you couldnt beat it with a stick for touring. Plus your housing costs are going to be less than half of the bozone. Also I agree that Helena is mountain bike city.

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    Butte is only 5 minutes from Montana. What more could you ask for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedCrank
    Butte is only 5 minutes from Montana. What more could you ask for?
    5 min from Montana???

    Don't feel bad about the toxic comment David. I got a laugh from it, and totally agree. The water tastes terrible in Butte also.

    I would have to say Butte is not as Biker-friendly as most towns.
    A new local bicycle shop opened up this past year called "Bad Beaver Bikes" (correct me if I'm wrong on the name" The people who own it are super nice. They deal Trek and Gary Fisher. Hopefully it will open up some of the residents eyes to the joys of biking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidarnott
    I feel a little guilty for calling Butte "toxic" particularly since I am constantly going there on vacation. People obviously love it there and the biking absoloutly rocks from the urban freeride downtown to the *****in mountain biking and pipestone pass you couldnt beat it with a stick for touring. Plus your housing costs are going to be less than half of the bozone. Also I agree that Helena is mountain bike city.
    Why feel guilty? How many towns have a superfund site right there?
    Butte and Kellogg, ID.

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    Helena

    Tons of SAAWWEEET singletrack and more being built . A bit hot in June-August , but not as snowy as other spots up here in the Winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formica
    How many towns have a superfund site right there?
    Butte and Kellogg, ID.
    Not to be left out, Bozeman had a superfund site right downtown too. Granted it was a state and not federal site. The new library sits on top of it now.

    I've spent a little time in Butte for work and have to say that the people there are still friendly for the most part. This is in contrast to Bozeman were the once high density of outwardly friendly folks has been diluted by an influx of others from places where that's just not the custom. Not saying those people are mean or bad it's just that they probably never lived where people stopped and said "hi" to one another while walking down Main Street. Bozeman was still like that for the first couple years I lived here.

    Bozeman has great biking fairly close to town but the season is short. Not much that you can quickly ride to from town though, Helena has us beat for that.

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    is living in a town designated a superfund site...

    less desirable than a town that isn't, or maybe should be? Will my mtb tires glow in the dark after a ride? They do sell bottled water in Butte these days, don't they? TwistedCrank, I know you have an opinion in this matter...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dumper
    less desirable than a town that isn't, or maybe should be? Will my mtb tires glow in the dark after a ride? They do sell bottled water in Butte these days, don't they? TwistedCrank, I know you have an opinion in this matter...
    Thank you for asking. Really.

    In fact they do have bottled water. It's called "Butte Hill Spring Water". It has a pH of about 2.5, is a shade of pale green and fills a mile-wide hole that, when viewed from an airplane, resembles a giant bunghole that is puckering skyward. It's called the Berkeley Pit. It is presided over by a 100 ft tall non-denominational Catholic virgin (who's not really a virgin but don't let it get around) who stands on the ridge overlooking the barren and raped wasteland that is Butte. Every St. Patrick's day thousands of blowhard wannabes try their hand at getting faced and beating the crap out of each other. Usually for naught and they usually merely end up falling asleep in a pool of their own vomit.

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    A fun little game to play here in BoozeAngeles

    is to walk down the street if your feeling especially annoyed by all of the cell phones and suvs and traffic and snobs and plonk and posers saying HI! to every stuck up looking creep you meet and giving them a BIG smile

    it really scares the hell out of them they wonder what it is you want from them because after all everybody wants something from everybody else dont they?

    taking it to the next level I learned this from a surly bike messenger in NYC is to ask people "would you like to be my friend?" theyll run away faster than if you pulled a gun on them

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    I lived in Missoula for six years before moving to Utah recently. If I had my choice of any town to move to in Montana based solely on mountain biking it would be Helena. Helena has a great in town ride that finishes at the tasting room for the Blackfoot Brewery which has killer beer. The season starts earlier and finishes later. An added plus is close early season riding in Pipestone. The Boulder Mountains has some nice high altitude summer riding with great camping. If you like road riding there is plenty. If you’re into snow sports then Bozeman or Missoula are better choices. Helena is poor in this department. Bozeman and Missoula have shorter seasons and the trails seem to stay muddy until later in the spring. That said I have ridden all year round in Missoula, ya just have to be tough or love cold weather.

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    Twisted Cranks "five minutes to montana" seems like an inside joke about butte are you from Butte twisted crank? it used to be that when you visted butte you would see all these signs and stickers and banners saying "Butte America" as if to say that they WERENT from Montana. It seemed like Butte was anti Montana for some reason that I cant explain but maybe someone else can. Anyway you would never see anything that said Butte Montana. My daughter is fascinated by Butte and expecially the PIT in the same way that someone might be fascinated by a corpse or a horrible car crash and everytime we go to butte we MUST stop by to look at the the pit and answer a lot of technical questions about what a disaster it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidarnott
    Butte America.
    I lived there for five years. It's a great place to live if you don't have children and every chance you get you take the five minutes required to leave town and go to Montana where you can ski, climb, ride, fish, hunt, hike, etc and do all the other wonderful things Montana is known for. Inside the city limits has got some major malfunctions and the Superfund sites is only the gravy on the mashed potatoes of malfunctions that Butte has..
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    You can buy a old mansion in Butte for under 100k, in missoula you can't find a trailor for that!

    I keep returning to Missoula because it has a good balance of culture and riding but if you wanted to escape hippies and overpriced property you will need to live out in the sticks... ( that is about 15min from any montana city).
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    Does Anaconda share the same "personality" as Butte,

    (minus the pit, of course) or, as TC pointed out in an older post, is it just a place for Butteans who can no longer handle Butte? I believe the term may have been "Butte rejects." Anaconda does probably have one of the cleanest golf courses on earth ...

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    Anaconda? Ho man don't even get me started. Anaconda is like Butte on steroids.

    I love this thread.
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    I agree about the SUV/Audi driving rich snobs taking over Bozeman. Those people are just pricks for the most part. But I have found most of them are roadies and stay off the trails for the most part.

    Causing a scene in Plonk, or Boodles on a friday night is probably the most fun thing about bozeman. I love the looks we get after two hurricanes at Plonk....priceless.
    Im just stoked cause the town is pretty slow right now, in between college and tourist season. Sadly in 2-3 weeks it will be full of old people, and stupid midwestern families taking pictures of everything.

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    Anaconda?

    Easily the dullest town in Montana. Disco ski area kills on a big pow day, super sweet steeps with no one to ride them except you and your buddies. But if you like ATV's then Anaconda may be the place for you.
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    Hey TC, don't hold back, we know you are dying to tell...

    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedCrank
    Anaconda? Ho man don't even get me started. Anaconda is like Butte on steroids.

    I love this thread.
    plus, there's nothing on TV tonight- we could use a good story..

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    I havent read anything about Hamilton yet. I have visited a few times and it seems like a pretty cool town. Just for the fact that the Red Barn is there might be reason enough to to check it out.

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    Hamilton and the Bitterroot Valley is home to Rich and Famous folks. Beautiful country, though. I have no idea about the riding: we are alway going through that way either going to the Selway or coming home from the Salmon or SV>

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    Quote Originally Posted by dumper
    plus, there's nothing on TV tonight- we could use a good story..
    How about the 3-legged dog who used to chase the UPS track through town?

    How about the mutant midgets with the big heads who used to hang out at the M&M Bar, Grill, Casino and Sundry shop?

    How about the time Spanky Spangler lit himself on fire and jumped off the Acoma Building in celebration of Evel Knievel Days?

    Or the hula dancers celebrating the Berkeley Pit?

    Maybe the union leader getting lynched by the Anaconda Company goons and leaving his body dangling from a local railroad bridge?

    The time they were building the "Our Lady of the Pit" and the sky crane that was hauling one of the segments clipped the news reporter?

    The Butte High School football field that was located on an old mine dump which gave the team an advantage because the knew to throw contamintate dirt into the eyes of the opposing team?

    Or building the a speed skating oval as a boost to grow some economy only to have it flop and consider converting it to a dog track?

    Pork chop sandwiches, pasties and a beer for breakfast?

    The Montana Tech motor pool displosing of old tires by hauling them up a local 4WD hill and rolling them down the back side on to some formerly pretty good singletrack?

    My neighbors who tried to poison our cats?

    "Butte Economic Propaganda: A would leader in mine waste management. Our contamination spans the range from Arsenic to Zinc." Serious.


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    If you are a redneck at heart and you idea of high culture is motorsports you will be at home in any of the crappy little montana tourist traps, (It is the states #1 industury).

    If you ever need to talk to real humans in person about anything other than the weather or sports you may soon be packing for a more metropolitan town.

    I am jaded after spending a few days back in Great Falls where I grew up. Sorry have no love for that town but the resturants/nightlife are weaksauce and I like having single track in my backyard if I have to live in Montucky,
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    A Tale Of Two Cities

    When I graduated from MSU in 1985 my best friend and I were going to move to Butte and buy a place there we had a bank account stocked up and ready and were looking seriously at a hotel uptown for $3500.00 I believe it was four or five stories. We were discussing which floors each of us would keep to live in and which to rent out. So I am off in NYC working construction and my friend goes back to look at the place and stops by Butte Tech school of mines and sees some sort of model made by a graduate student of all the underground mine shafts under uptown Butte. It gave him some sort of panic attack because he realized that the first big earthquake there would drop uptown into a one thousand foot deep hole in the ground (now that might not be actually true because of the water in the shafts) anyway he had this image of uptown crumbling into his huge hole so he went and bought an old farmhouse in Straw Montana instead.
    Straw Montana is my home county and I didnt want to move back there, I wanted to move to Glendive, which was his old home town and he didnt want to move there. So I ended up living back in my old home county anyways for a couple of years. And I was riding my bicycle out there on a nice country road when the next door neighbor pulls up in his farm truck and says:

    "what the hell are you riding that thing for? dont you have a car?"

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    Man, I stop checking in on the "Boise forum" regularly, and a big MT thread blows up.

    It's nice to see that nobody is replying "don't move here". That always kills me when people from Boise try to discourage potential incomers in this forum. People are going to come anyway; just as well encourage people who are going to value the same things you do.

    I live in Helena, and the singletrack is excellent. I've seen it mentioned in other threads that Helena riders tend not to wander too far, b/c we don't have to. True enough. Absolutely right about snow sports, though. I usually drive the 2 hours to Disco or Showdown. Great Divide didn't have 1 good day this winter.

    I moved here from NYC, so I'm used to (and like) big cities. But, I like walking into my LBS or the outdoor store and buying things from people who know my name. Google Great Divide Cyclery. They do a good job of fostering a road and MTB community. While I'd contemplate a felony to get an Indian restaurant here, I don't have any interest in leaving Helena for Bozeman or Missoula. I'm in my early 30s, so college bars don't interest me, and I'm happy for those towns to absorb the bulk of the influx.

    Helena has changed a lot in the last 5 years; most Montana cities have. But because we don't have the alpine scenery or out-of-state cachet, we're behind Bozeman, Missoula and Kalispell. Fine with me.

    I don't see any reason in the world to live in Anaconda. Ugh. Butte is still a bargin, and I expect to see it start to come up in the next 10 years or so.

    Anyway, we've got a pretty good local land trust and volunteer groups, so trail workers are always welcome. And Blackfoot is the best brewery in the state. Most breweries have 1 or 2 excellent beers (Belt and their Beltian White, for example). Blackfoot does everything well. I'm riding in 45 minutes; that gives me an idea for after...

    Good luck-

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    (Not so) Great Falls and the rest of the Montana hi-line/eastern Montana is an amalgam of Jerry Springer episodes and dead end economies. Western MT is "pay to play." If you have a job and can swing the high real estate prices, welcome aboard. If you can stomach working at a coffee shop, biking to work, and living under the Higgins St. bridge, welcome aboard.

    In the past, I've told people "don't move here." I'll revise my statement by saying "look very carefully before you leap." Some folks automatically think of the nice, pretty places when they hear of Montana (i.e., Glacier N.P., the Bitterroot Valley, Bozo/Big Sky, etc.). However, I'd like to think of the "real Montana" as represented by cities such as: Forsyth, Baker, Malta, Crow Agency, Shelby, Plentywood, and my all time favorite (although I'm not from there nor have I spent much time there)....Glendive (affectionately known as "The Dive" and for good reason).

    Btw, make sure you pack a pistol, a rifle, and make friends with the bartender at the saloon. Yep, it's the wild west here and every day can be a scene right out of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

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    "it's the wild west here and every day can be a scene right out of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly."

    Hel thats the truth! I was shot at, had bottles thrown at, yelled at, almost doored and looked at real funny for wearing spandex back in the day although it is a bit more civilized today. 15 years ago before cell phones were common the rednecks had it easier acting well, like rednecks.

    Sure had some interesting experiences working summers at the bike shop in Columbia Falls though. Living where David Lynch got his inspiration for Twin Peaks has it's ups and downs I will say!
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    I was just cruising down a dirt road about a mile from home on my first MTB, a generic steel hunk of love I found in the alley and built from parts ordered from nashbar. It was 1990 and I was stoked to have discovered a way to enjoy the outdoors without burning gas and still go fast. I was training to race and had invested every penny of the $3.80 hr I was making in a new jersey, shorts, helmet and shoes so I must have looked real tough to the pickup load of drunkin hillbillys who blasted by me fishtailing a roostertail of gravel in my direction. They were yelling inchoherent obscenities through the dust so I came to a stop and was making a u-turn for a secret side trail about 50ft back when I heard the first blast of a shotgun. Holly frukin krap I thought to myself as I sprinted through the cloud of dust heading for the trail. I heard them gun the engine of the rusty orange truck and another Ka-boom from the shotgun but I had already hit the trail and disappeared into woods traveling at about mach 10.
    The trail looped back to the road and I was craping my shorts the whole time as I thought I heard the roar of a pickup full of hillbilly psychopaths lookin for someone to mess with.

    I took a week off from riding before I grew my nads back and started packing bear mace on rides from there on out... Would not do much vs. a gun but the only firearms in the house were too heavy to bike with and I figured the punks were not actually trying to frag me so it was better than nothing.

    This area of western montana just outside of glacier park is known to have it's fair share of bored rednecks and inbreds but they are slowly being pushed out by the Califorinian refuge's, not sure if that is a good thing but I no longer fear being shot at on public roads any more.
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    Sounds like Noxon or Trigo or any of the other places that are still stuck in the 1800s. Btw, Montana has the unique distinction of claiming that "more guns than people live in Montana." It is not uncommon for people to carry a pistol while going out for dinner at the local cafe.

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    scary story about the shotgun. Sometimes those characters come off the ranch and get loose. One of my favorite riding areas loops around past 2 shooting areas. Sometimes my friends get pretty nervous.

    Good story Dave, yeah, a lot of Montanans don't "get" bikes. they will in a couple more years though when there is no more gas.

    Best biking towns in Montana. Butte and Helena. Except when summer rolls around for Bozeman and Whitefish. Half of the state will be shut down for biking in a few years. Between the Forest service and the enviros we are grossly outnumbered. It's sad. Then I don't know where it'll be best, probably Butte and Helena, even in summer.

    BTW, housing will be really cheap in Butte again in about 5 years, because that is when the pit is scheduled to overflow.

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    Yeah, when you say bike to the rednecks they think your talking about a motorcycle. You have to use the phrase "pedal bike" then they understand. Its crazy how much of montana is in danger of being shut down to mountain bikes. Here in central montana the big snowies has a lot of great singletrack but is a proposed wilderness area, so it could see a closure real soon. The crystal lake area has a couple of nice trails to ride. Its closed to motorized offroad travel and gets very little horse use. Unfortunately the backcountry horsemen are trying to get a seperate campgound built at the end of the lake just for horses. So if that goes down eventually bikes and dogs will be banned from the area and the trails will be destroyed and littered with horse crap.
    I think people are missing the real reason that trails are getting shutdown. Its not so much the enviromentalists. Most of them are pro bike, maybe some extremeist ones aren't but the reason for the closures is the horse people. Bikes and dogs spook the horses so they don't want them on the trails. Don't support the Montana willderness association, its just a corrupt organization ran by the horse people. Its sad that there are so many trail users hikers with dogs and bikers compared to the horse users, its probably a ratio of 20,000 to 1 yet the horse people seem to have all the power.
    A bit of good news though. The start of the Dry wolf creek trail in the little belt mountains south of stanford was recently closed to horse and motorized travel. There is even a sign that says foot and bicycle use only. Gotta love that.

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    Yea and I like horses!

    Quote Originally Posted by montanabiker
    Yeah, when you say bike to the rednecks they think your talking about a motorcycle. You have to use the phrase "pedal bike" then they understand. Its crazy how much of montana is in danger of being shut down to mountain bikes. Here in central montana the big snowies has a lot of great singletrack but is a proposed wilderness area, so it could see a closure real soon. The crystal lake area has a couple of nice trails to ride. Its closed to motorized offroad travel and gets very little horse use. Unfortunately the backcountry horsemen are trying to get a seperate campgound built at the end of the lake just for horses. So if that goes down eventually bikes and dogs will be banned from the area and the trails will be destroyed and littered with horse crap.
    I think people are missing the real reason that trails are getting shutdown. Its not so much the enviromentalists. Most of them are pro bike, maybe some extremeist ones aren't but the reason for the closures is the horse people. Bikes and dogs spook the horses so they don't want them on the trails. Don't support the Montana willderness association, its just a corrupt organization ran by the horse people. Its sad that there are so many trail users hikers with dogs and bikers compared to the horse users, its probably a ratio of 20,000 to 1 yet the horse people seem to have all the power.
    A bit of good news though. The start of the Dry wolf creek trail in the little belt mountains south of stanford was recently closed to horse and motorized travel. There is even a sign that says foot and bicycle use only. Gotta love that.
    The equestrians I grew up around were nice people and I make a point to stop whenever I see someone on a horse and try to say a few nice words to them, (I still think horses are beautiful creatures) but today it is a real expensive hobby for a different class of people who can buy up politicians and push through laws that keep us (poor to them) mountain bikers out of wilderness areas by publishing bogus info on how destructive my 20lb bike is to the trail, pardon my rant.

    As a side note I think all these newfangled uberexpensive MTBs are a good thing as it draws in more wealthy suckers and validates the sport to them, heck my 2.5 tires and 8" disks get the respect from a few motoheads now as they don't think I am such a pus*y so the times are a changing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Doom
    The equestrians I grew up around were nice people and I make a point to stop whenever I see someone on a horse and try to say a few nice words to them, (I still think horses are beautiful creatures) but today it is a real expensive hobby for a different class of people who can buy up politicians and push through laws that keep us (poor to them) mountain bikers out of wilderness areas by publishing bogus info on how destructive my 20lb bike is to the trail, pardon my rant.

    As a side note I think all these newfangled uberexpensive MTBs are a good thing as it draws in more wealthy suckers and validates the sport to them, heck my 2.5 tires and 8" disks get the respect from a few motoheads now as they don't think I am such a pus*y so the times are a changing.
    Mr. Doom, you are indeed correct about the politics and the political influence that the horse crowd has over the folks in Washington D.C. When you figure in a 60k pickup, a 80k trailer and the 700k ranch to house all the horses, there is power to lobby. I personally don't care for the "holier than thou" attitude that some horse owners have but I try not to judge them all by the negative encounters I've had with a few.

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    Wow!

    a bicycle rider from central montana! This guy gets to ride in entire mountain ranges alone. How does it feel to have paradise all to yourself? Oh wait you have to share it with other central montanans. Never mind. I like horses and equestrians too but they SURE DO GET SPECIAL TREATMENT politically. The fact that they get to go into wilderness areas is just amazing to me. So amazing in fact that I want to get a horse myself. I used to hate the damn things since I was raised on horseback chasing ornery cattle in the company of ornery relatives and got fairly well bashed to [email protected] by the time I was ten years old. Now however the hateful memories are wearing away and I realize as a bicycle and motorcycle rider that the horse is the third (although historically first) type of steed. A full stable of steed then, a horse, a bicycle and a Honda XR650R.

    Speaking of rednecks, guns and bicycles, does anybody else out there hunt using the mountain bicycle? Do you carry your gun in a sling on your body or attach it to the bike? One thing is for sure. Once I started riding with a firearm clearly visible I really started getting a LOT less harrassment in general from *******s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidarnott
    One thing is for sure. Once I started riding with a firearm clearly visible I really started getting a LOT less harrassment in general from *******s.
    Do you use a shoulder holster? I've been trying to come up w/ an easy way to carry my pistol that provides me quick access to it. I had an encounter w/ a black bear up Stone Creek last fall while riding solo and that made me pretty nervous. I only want to sport the gat when I'm riding alone. If I'm riding with others, either they'll get mauled while I ride away or vice-versa. I just don't want to take a chance that it happens while riding solo and my wife doesn't realize something bad happened until I don't show up for hours after my intended return.

    Everyone's response this this is always "use bear spray". Well, I don' wanna'.......so please don't suggest that.

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    Relax...

    Everyone's response this this is always "use bear spray". Well, I don' wanna'.......so please don't suggest that.

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    Bear spray does not work with black bears anyways. I've had dozens of run ins with black bears and have learned that they are not a problem. Heck, my buddy ran into the back end of a bear, literally, and it ran off. Scary, but not a problem. I give them ample room to move around and wait for them to leave, never a problem. Carrying a weapon is total overkill, your odds of being attacked by a black bear is ridiculously low. As for griz, I just keep my fingers crossed.
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    Yep, bears do not seem to like weird noise that bikes make as I have been riding solo for 17 years in bear country and they always go bookin in the other direction. Once a buddy of mine found himself between a mama griz and her cub on a solo ride on the alpine trail and was bluff charged three times but not chewed on (Probably not a good trail to do solo). . I did start packing bearmace again when I had to commute through downtown Seattle at night, never needed it but after a roomate had a knife pulled on him so I was a bit tweeked for a while.

    I used to see the occasional (fred) biker packing heat out on the trail but thought it was silly. I spent way to much time and money to build a light xc rig just to strap on a heavy cumbersome unnecessary device.

    A big thread in packing heat is somewhere in the forums as a bunch of people were freaked out from the mountian lion attacks last year.
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    MOUNTAIN BIKES: the best hunting rig ever?

    some bicycles are quieter than walking and of course, one can cover a lot more ground on a bike. the important thing is the noise Most game animals have excellent hearing and are very sensitive to the sounds of predators (human) which is the sound of internal combustion engines, yakking, stereos, etc. so I have had very good luck hunting fromt he bicycle as long as I can remember not to talk to myself whilst riding, a little habit of mine,

    the problem is that it is hard to look around while riding a bicycle and the movement also catches the eye of game. When hunting from a bike I find it necessary to stop regularly and look around and listen. Nowadays I mostly hunt photos but its pretty much the same thing.

    Well thats my two cents worth

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    Bear spray

    works just fine to clear a campsite, though. I was camped on the Lochsa over the weekend when some idiot in the next site decided to blow off "a 7-year old expired can" of bear spray. None of us noticed until we all started sneezing and coughing at the same time, and the dogs were freaking out.

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    if you're gonna ride a bike in bear country, it pays to have a loud freewheel. On the climbs, I recommend singing.

    seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idiot Boy 1
    Everyone's response this this is always "use bear spray". Well, I don' wanna'.......so please don't suggest that.

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    Bear spray does not work with black bears anyways. I've had dozens of run ins with black bears and have learned that they are not a problem. Heck, my buddy ran into the back end of a bear, literally, and it ran off. Scary, but not a problem. I give them ample room to move around and wait for them to leave, never a problem. Carrying a weapon is total overkill, your odds of being attacked by a black bear is ridiculously low. As for griz, I just keep my fingers crossed.
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    Ran into a black bear saturday on shafthouse trail. Didn't look that big , it was like 100 yards off the trail. I don't think he even saw us. God I wish I had a camera at times like that. Definetly the closest I have ever been to a bear. Still kinda scary though. Bridgers are Black bear central. Why does bear spray not work on blacks? I have never heard that before.

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    From what I understand initial testing on black bears did not deter but angered them. Maybe the formula has changed since, I don't know. A quick google search shows several claims of working on blacks. No fatal black bear attacks have been recorded in Montana according to some quick research. Most attacks seem to happen in Tennessee and Canada. From my experiance they are basically neutral towards man. Encounters with them scare me and I keep a wide distance when possible but I'm not afraid of getting killed. Carrying a weapon seems ridicoulous once you realize that the odds of being attacked are very small. One animal that does frighten me is the cougar, an animal that has attacked and killed cyclist and joggers recently. Spray does seem to work on them also. I don't know if you'd have time to react with one biting your neck, crushing your skull and spinal column. A better question is why Venom doesn't want to use bear spray, is he looking to kill something? Does he feel spray is for the weak?
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    From what I understand initial testing on black bears did not deter but angered them. Maybe the formula has changed since, I don't know. A quick google search shows several claims of working on blacks. No fatal black bear attacks have been recorded in Montana according to some quick research. Most attacks seem to happen in Tennessee and Canada. From my experiance they are basically neutral towards man. Encounters with them scare me and I keep a wide distance when possible but I'm not afraid of getting killed. Carrying a weapon seems ridicoulous once you realize that the odds of being attacked are very small. One animal that does frighten me is the cougar, an animal that has attacked and killed cyclist and joggers recently. Spray does seem to work on them also. I don't know if you'd have time to react with one biting your neck, crushing your skull and spinal column. A better question is why Venom doesn't want to use bear spray, is he looking to kill something? Does he feel spray is for the weak?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idiot Boy 1
    A better question is why Venom doesn't want to use bear spray, is he looking to kill something? Does he feel spray is for the weak?
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    Yes......I'm just aching to kill something. You've got me pegged, I tell ya'.

    Actually, I've just heard nothing but bad things about the effectiveness of bear spray. To quote *you*:
    Quote Originally Posted by Idiot Boy 1
    From what I understand initial testing on black bears did not deter but angered them. Maybe the formula has changed since, I don't know.
    Throw a slight breeze into the mix and I could be spraying myself. I'm comfortable with my handgun, I wouldn't be comfortable carrying bear spray...pretty simple really.

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    chill out on the Stone Creek Bears

    The new trail goes right through bear hangouts. Since it was constructed about 5 years ago, the bears continue to blunder across the trail in front of bikers. No problem. The Stone Creek bears have tended to run away without fail. They are also among the best citizens we have here in Montana. No political or religeous agenda at all. Just down to earth folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidarnott
    Bozeman and Missoula have the big universities, the best weather and the best looking girls, culture, resturaounts, bars, breweries and tons of riding close to town. Other parts of the state can be backwards, arch conservative, anti bike, toxic (butte) SUPER windy (great falls Livingston Big Timber) but the whole damn state has more *****in riding of every type imagainable than you can shake a stick at. You have to TRY to find places where other people are riding otherwise you will be all alone in the boonies just you and the bears. Id recommend peeking at Whitefish Lewistown Red Lodge and Dillon really pretty smaller towns but less culture.
    Is there mtb biking in Dillon? I visited there while deer hunting in the mid 80s, beautiful place. Always wanted to go back, even thought (briefly) about going to college there, as I recall they had a small school.

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    Im not afraid of getting killed

    Im already tired of living anyway. But the question I have is can you ride and shoot at the same time? Specifically can you chase wild game in hot pursuit upon the mountain bike whilst firing away. It does require that you be able to ride through rough terrain at top speed with only one hand. Also you need to be able to do it without thinking about riding because obviously your attention is going to be fixated upon the game, aim, etc.
    So one would need to practice riding with one hand and also riding and firing away at stationary targets at first, say beer bottles on fence posts etc, then later perhaps you could kick a ball out in front of you and blast away at that.

    Just imagaine going down hard, an endo even, with a loaded revolver in one hand, I believe that moment ought to revive the precious animal spirits within. That terrific crunch as your head hits the dirt at thirty miles an hour and the revolver goes off with a boom. It would be easier at moments like these to forget about all the wars we have ongoing on other continents, teenage detainees tortured for years, Guantanamo Bay YOU ARE NOT FORGOTTEN! We can mine all that coal in Eastern Montana and convert it into oil. This technology could keep the internal combustion engine going for another thousand years!

    These and other negative thoughts quickly evaporated whilst hunting astride thee steed.

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    As a former resident of Vermont I had to reply. After college I moved from VT to MT. I spent a while near Big Sky and then in Livingston. I also tended to spend alot of time in Bozeman. I have since moved back east I try to go back to Bozeman every other year or so, usually skiing, Bridger kicks ass!

    I say go to Bozeman! It has everything.

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    Montana is just one city

    It has some really long streets though. Everyone knows everyone else, sort of.

    What's important here is that Dave just invented a new sport. Doesn't anyone see it? Books have been written about who might have sort of invented mountain bikes. But right here in front of everyone, Dave has cooked up a new macho shooting riding sport thing. Yee Ha! It's definitely got a Montana flavor, like that other great sport... television hunting. Under the right conditions, it would be a kick ass pastime. Don't know what to call it though. Something I certainly would do sometime, I'll put it on the list.

    I guess if you're gonna move to Montana, don't try to change it too much. Or you will be pegged as one of those meddlesome outsiders. We've got too many of them type now.

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    Thants Biathalon Isnt It?

    Dont they ride bicycles and shoot target rifles in the olympics? Or am I confusing that with cross country skiing? Dont you think that we should invite those Boise Boys n Goys over for a weekend of rough riding and beer drinking? They sound very avid indeed. I bet they would have an enjoyable day up Hyalite. Then we could take them to the Aleworks and see who can drink the most beer!

    Also we should invite the Griz but I hear they dont drink beer in Missoula.

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    I was riding in the Bitterroot once and came across a cabin with a guy working on his Yeti on the front porch. He tells me he was having a party tomorrow night and that I was invited. Then he tells me there might be some fighting there. I said that's ok (I lived in Butte at the time). Then he tells me there might be some fecking too. I said that's ok, everybody likes a little fecking every now and then. Then he tells me there's one more thing I needed to know. I asked him what it was. He told me that I was the only one he's invited. I didnt' go.
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    I have heard stories of Mtn lions picking off bikers from behind. They see you as fleeing prey and their instinct is to persue. Just dont be the last one down the trail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wylyman
    I have heard stories of Mtn lions picking off bikers from behind. They see you as fleeing prey and their instinct is to persue. Just dont be the last one down the trail!
    I'm rarely the last one down, but I'm almost always the last one up......so I'm totally screwed at least 50% of the time.

    I like the Boise->Bozeman exchange idea. We should set up two weekends per summer. They come here, then we go there.....or whatever. Could be a hoot. It'd be like a student exchange program. Share the love people!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by wylyman
    I have heard stories of Mtn lions picking off bikers from behind. They see you as fleeing prey and their instinct is to persue. Just dont be the last one down the trail!
    that only happens in California.

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    Lions, tigers, bears.. and Yeti's?

    A riding buddy of mine (who is a known lurker on this site) once had a mountain lion encounter down in the Bitterroot. If I remember correctly he came around a corner at speed, hit the couger broadside, and he went over the bars. The couger stayed put. He then pulled a water bottle out of the cage, chucked it at the coug, hit it and it ran off. Scary, if I got any of this wrong maybe he would like to share. I also heard of a similar incidence in the Rattlesnake but only second hand. The point is that these possible encounters happen and only serve to "heighten" the riding experiance. Funny about the Yeti comment, these were fairly common bikes in Hamilton in the 90's. Only quality bike you could get at the time. Now Ventana seems to be the weapon of choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidarnott

    Also we should invite the Griz but I hear they dont drink beer in Missoula.
    It's not all lukewarm wine and truffles in the zoo.

    http://www.bigskybrew.com/
    http://www.bayernbrewery.com/
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    http://www.kettlehouse.com/


    And in all seriousness, hunting and using a bicycle get along just fine. It's akin to using an atv. Meaning you're not expecting to bag anything while you're moving, since you're making tons of noise. It helps you cover more ground, assuming it's not really hilly. Doesn't get better than the surly pugsley for such duty. And the only good way to carry your rifle is on your back, in a sling.

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    How About June 29/30 July 1 ?

    It is kind of close to the birthday party of our constitution and perhaps the forests will not yet be on fire. A sort of semi-informal bicycle riding powow. Maybe something like this:

    Afternoon riding at Hyalite Saturday
    Dinner and drinks (I was (sort of) joking about the beer drinking contest) Saturday evening
    A nice sunday morning ride, perhaps the Bridgers or Bangtails
    bon voyage!

    I dont really know the best trails bacause I mostly ride in town, also I am old and slow and have a grey beard, but I do like to drink beer!

    I have room for about six at my place either tents in the yard or sleeping bags on the floor, also there is mucho forest service camping and hotels too.

    I hope this isnt a mistake but it could actually be a lot of fun and I want to go ride Boise someday and meet Trevor The Great

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    Quote Originally Posted by formica
    that only happens in California.
    Actually it happend to a rider in Whitefish. He was lucky his partner behind him scared it off before it made a meal of him.

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    Me Not Chinese

    But Me Still Play Joke haha The GOOD NEWS is that Greg406 and I went out to test our little sport last evening looking for some cute bunny rabbits to chase on our bicycles riding with one hand and holding an imagainary gun in the other HARK! little cottontails bouncing across the green green lawns of the Gallatin And we're off bang bang bang Its really quite invigorating I must say

    Formalizing the sport so that competitive types can rank themselves in relation to others As is their wont to do A one mile course through rough terrain with six moving targets along the way All contestants get six shots from a revolver Judges upon your time and accuracy WILL TWISTED CRANK NAME THIS SPORT???

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    so, my folks live in (great) falls, i visit a few times a year. anybody know the best options for SINGLETRACK & camping within an hour or so?

    highwood mtns?
    king's hill pass down by showdown?
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    Wait A Minute

    I wish I HAD a pugsley

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    I'm pretty sure if someone moves to Montana they will figure out if they moved to the right town or not within a few months, I say give it a shot wherever and if it doesn't work, move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfisher1971
    so, my folks live in (great) falls, i visit a few times a year. anybody know the best options for SINGLETRACK & camping within an hour or so?

    highwood mtns?
    king's hill pass down by showdown?
    You can't go wrong as far as riding in either place. A new book of Montana Singletrack gives windy mountain in the highwoods a very good rating. If you're bored in town and want to get out for a quick ride, we added some new singletrack on the rivers edge north shore trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayray74
    You can't go wrong as far as riding in either place. A new book of Montana Singletrack gives windy mountain in the highwoods a very good rating. If you're bored in town and want to get out for a quick ride, we added some new singletrack on the rivers edge north shore trail.
    groovy, thanks. i'll have to look for that book somewhere. i've ridden a bit of that rivers edge trail, i think. that'll be my first stop. is there a map or directions to get to the new stuff somewhere?

    OH... maybe this will help me...

    http://trails.mtbr.com/cat/united-st...0_4560crx.aspx

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    I'd add Helena to that list. As far as Bozeman goes the last 10+ years have been the worst ever for sprawl (though some would say it really started in the late 80's). I grew up here, still live here and some times I don't even recognize this town anymore. We have turned into the same sprawl filled town that is 90% of the rest of the country. Everyone comes here trying to escape their crappy town and in turn has made Bozeman into the exact same thing. I almost feel bad for people that just moved here and don't even know what Bozeman used to be like. I grew up a stones throw from Sypes trailhead and I can't even bring myself to ride their anymore. I used to go up their every day after school and have it all to myself. Now you can't even find a place to park. Bozeman, Mt died in 1996 or whenever they put in South 19th. Welcome to Bozeman, CA or Bozeman, Tx, or.....you get the picture. Livingston is next.

    Sorry for the sad post, but it breaks my heart when I leave the bubble and have to look at all the crap built outside of the greater downtown area. I guess it makes the transplants feel more at home seeing a Home Depot or Costco when their driving their SUV 15 miles back to their $hitty sprawl home.

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    amen Mr. T

    Yep. Sad to say, you are absolutely right. Bozeman needs a nice aggressive depression. It really felt pretty good here in the dark days of the late 80's. Now it is gone, just a sprawling disaster remains, full of clueless strangers. At least we have a year or 2 of good riding remaining till the "trail closed" signs go up.

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    ignorant optimism

    Ben, there is no way that Montana's glass is half full any more. It is just a stupid, sad, situation. We need a lot more bodies to be active in the fight to save our trails. Please look me up if you don't want to remain ignorant. I'll try to recruit ya.

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    OK, so what do we need? Just bodies?

    How do we stay informed about what's going on?

    You seem to stay on top of all the new, ugly legislation that's slowly closing down the trail systems. What resources do *you* use?

    Is there an organized group of individuals fighting for our trails? Or are you 'it'?

    I'd love to help out, I just don't know where to start.....help a brotha' out.

    The glass doesn't have to be half empty......
    I had a great ride tonight up Leverich. Met a bunch of stoked riders.....it was great. I mentioned the fact that wilderness areas were closed to bikes and there was universal shock. Some had heard that...others hadn't. I (in my 'ignorant optimism') think that it wouldn't be too hard to get the word out a bit more. Hell, if I knew where to point people I'd just carry a pile of flyers in my glove box and hand 'em out to folks like those that I met tonight. I've got the resources to create and host a website. Would that help?

    Seriously, just point me in the right direction.....

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    Godspeed Thee Nathan Bay

    The Bozones' own Nathan Bay starts today on the Great Divide Race somewheres around fifteen hundred miles of dirt and gravel roads from Cananada to Mexico. Last year around four people finished and Nathan has a darned good chance of doing at least that on a GT hardtail single speed.

    Good Luck Nathan! Eat a lot of ice cream for me.

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    BozAngelean Bicyclist Nathan Bay posts in Seely Lake

    Still in the race Bay has officially posted in Seely Lake Says they have done 17000 verticle feet by this point in time I cant even imagain doing seventeen thousand verticle feet in a weekend Anyway Good Job Nathan! And good luck!

    Went with Greg406 family and friends up to some secret trails hidden deep within the forest today We were treated to some real serious needle threading through the deep dark woods Elk Odors Extremely Steep Decents Even ridge rocks all in all the old Ridge Rider will take you for a real adventure should you dare! Thanks Greg!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregB406
    Yep. Sad to say, you are absolutely right. Bozeman needs a nice aggressive depression. It really felt pretty good here in the dark days of the late 80's. Now it is gone, just a sprawling disaster remains, full of clueless strangers. At least we have a year or 2 of good riding remaining till the "trail closed" signs go up.
    OMG So you never shop at wal mart, home depot, etc.? You never eat at all the new restaurants? You've never been to big sky or moonlight basin? You haven't benefitted from the exploding economy? Give me a break. Towns like Lewistown, Livingston, Hamilton, and many others have thus far avoided the massive growth but there is no place to eat, no place to shop, and no place to work. Growth has downsides for sure but there are many good aspects to it. Why do you think this has anything to do with trails being closed? More riders means more people to build, maintain the trails. More people getting involved means more power to keep trails open.

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    our growth is massive

    Bozeman is a mess. There is not doubt, but I'm staying here because my friends are here and I have finally paid for our great little house. But when you get around here and see the giant starter castles, tons of traffic because planners and the state can't keep up with the roads, oh, I just get to a loss for words. Walmart, Home Depot. Poo. We still have the hometown businesses that have been here for 100 years. Walmart makes me itch and twitch and run for the exit. Restaurants are another matter, in the 27 years I've been here, they have all closed. So there is no choice except to go to the new places. Mostly we just eat deer at home and go out for beer. Whatever you say, Bozeman is officially a mess. Thats the fact.

    We only have a couple years more riding on about half of the trails around Bozeman. This has nothing to do with the massive growth. It's because the Greater Yellowstone Coalition and Montana Wilderness Society just sued to close the Hyalite Porcupine Buffalo Horn Wilderness Study Area to bicycles. (check www.bozemanbiketalk.com) The only relationship to excess growth is that the values exhibited by these 2 groups are ones that I don't equate with most Montana natives. They seem to be able to recruit plenty of members that have latent guilt or worries about man's impact on Montana, and believe that more federal wilderness is the best and only fix for everyone. The rest of the state is going to feel the hit from the forest service proposing over 50 new wilderness areas. This is an issue that we still haven't gotten a handle on yet. So, Montanabiker, are you an IMBA member? Are you active in a bike club? Or are you just another of the clueless who will be blindsided with closure signs? Do you want to get involved? If so, PM me.

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    [QUOTE=GregB406]Bozeman is a mess. There is not doubt, QUOTE]

    Greg, I know where you're coming from. Not so much because Bozy has changed a lot in the time that I've been here (it has) but because the changes my own home town has seen make Bozeman still look like a sleepy little cow town.

    Imagine, a quaint little resort town with great outdoor opportunities and a friendly vibe but instead of the Rockies it's located in the hills of PA. Now, realize that it's two hours from NYC, Philly and the rest of the east coast megapolis. When my parents moved there the place didn't have any stoplights. Then it became re-discovered. It was getting overgrown when I moved away 8 years ago. Things really got bad after 9-11 when all the city folk (and I mean city folk) fled to there. Now you can't walk down Main St at night, there are murders or other assualts every other day, and people will never look you in the eye or smile at you let alone be polite. Bozeman has NO traffic compared to good ol' Stroudsburg PA.

    It's all a matter of perspective and from mine Bozeman is still a cool place to be. It bums me out to hear people bag on it. I supposed if I'd been here during the golden age that my perspective would be different.

    As for trails, I am an IMBA member and I've written to the FS on the Gallatin Travel Plan, and the Deerlodge Plan. You know I've done some trail work. What else do you suggest?

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    some suggestions

    Shane. We will have a comment period coming up on the Beaverhead-Deerlodge NF. I will keep people posted. They really want to hear from us bikers. We are having a number of advocacy rides over there this summer, I will be posting on Bozebiketawk later today. Try to do them and drag along a friend too.

    Urge others to join IMBA. Every month! We need to boost our numbers.

    If you want to get really mired down, call me and we'll figure out how you can fit into our core efforts, we sure need more help. I bet you have better skills than we do. I'm trying to lasso everyone possible for help right now.

    Now to not completely hijack this thread, Southwest Montana has the best mtn bike riding and potential riding in the state. That means towns like Sheridan, Butte, Anaconda, Wisdom, Philipsburg, and Dillon. It is also oddly the most endangered area in the state. Greg

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    Nathan Bay Posts In Butte

    It looks like he is in fifth place Also it appears a number of the field has either stopped from exhaustion or DNFd Keep it up Nathan!

    Ive been riding down to the gallatin rec center around the lake and back this week although I did take a little trip to the haufbrau and then the BUT HUT last night Anybody want to ride the story hills this week?

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    Your talking about two different things here. Growth in montana, and trails getting closed. I just think there are a lot of native montanan hypocrits out there. My relatives are from that area they used to own tons of land but have sold a lot of it and have become very wealthy yet they constantly complain about the traffic and all the people. They shop at all the new stores and eat at all the new restaurants. They do what most montanans are guilty of and blame the "californians" Most of the transplants I have met have been really nice people. Anyways....

    Yes I am a member of IMBA and yes I want to do all I can to save the trails. I have started a thread here.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...06#post3211306

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    Quote Originally Posted by wylyman
    Actually it happend to a rider in Whitefish. He was lucky his partner behind him scared it off before it made a meal of him.
    It has also happened in western ND in the badlands. Unlike bears, mountain lions are predatory in nature and will stalk riders for miles if need be in order to assess the "threat level" of the prey. Very, very smart creatures they are.

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    Nathan Bay Last Remaining Ss In Gdr

    I feel like a journalist (without all the fax) Bozonian Bicyclist Nathan Bay is the last remaining single speed racer in the Great Divide Race now whittled down to eleven riders. He has about two to four days remaining all other single speed riders have DNF'd. It looks like about four people have finished so far. All The Way Nathan All The Way!!!

    Speaking of Butte Some Buttanian Bicyclist whose name I dont have all the fax thereof has LED the tour de france at one point

    Montana Rocks!

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    I have nothing to compare it to, as so far I have only ridden in Missoula, but this town has tons of great trails very close by and locals who don't MTB seem to be ok with MTBing.

    One question- why do I have to pay to park in the middle of Montana? I don't mind, but it is so strange when I am staring at open wilderness and feeding a parking meter at the same time. I have to laugh when locals call this a city, as I grew up close to NYC. If this is a city, I will take it any day over any other one in this country!

    Going to ride the Pattee Canyon now- this place is insane, although 96 degrees is a bit toasty for my Seattle bones................MTT

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    Bad Beaver's in Butte now? They used to be in Dillon when I went to school there. You're right, he's a super nice guy.
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    A new local bicycle shop opened up this past year called "Bad Beaver Bikes" (correct me if I'm wrong on the name" The people who own it are super nice. They deal Trek and Gary Fisher. Hopefully it will open up some of the residents eyes to the joys of biking.
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    Havre has it

    If your looking for hot single track action and all day epics, make vacation plans to Havre, MT. A town quickly becoming the premier MB hot spot!! Don't forget your snake bite kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCRider77
    Havre, MT. A town quickly becoming the premier MB hot spot!! Don't forget your snake bite kit.
    Seriously? Or, are you trolling?
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    havre is the bomb

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    You Can Havre

    i dont want her
    anymore

    its the bears paw mountains that rock this world there south of town

    I talked to Nathan Bay this morning for the first time in a month or more who apparently lost two days on the GDR from food poisoning He ate at some mexican resturaunt that gave another racer food poisoning as well Also his seat post broke and he made a seatpost out of a wooden dowel and JB weld upon which he finished the race He sounds REALLY tired on the phone

    Copngratulations Nathan for completing the GDR singlespeed!

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    Havre? prove it.

    Post some Havre pics. Stats. Locations. Prove it.

    Nathan Bay is a hero. Anyone who completes that ride as a race such as he did, absolutely rocks! No wonder he sounds tired, he's dehydrated. Let's buy him a drink.

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    Evel Days Are Here!

    Today begins our important annual Montana festival of Evel Days, the festival that comes after Crazy Days, for three days in Butte two wheeled mania strikes terror in the heart of Uptown, some guy from the Bozone is going to ride his rocket powered bicycle as fast as possible through uptown to cheering crowds of beer soaked bikers Meanwhile somebody else will light themselves on fire and jump off the roof of the Finlein Hotel! In the past Joan Jett blasted out hit after hit in the civic center while her hot girlfiend Carmen Electra sank shot after shot at the M&M. For a fee you can actually TOUCH evil er Evel who is now a born again christian

    EVIL TURNS TO JESUS https://forums.mtbr.com/images/smilies/mad5.gif

    oops, thats

    EVEL TURNS TO JESUS

    thanks to our now completely contralized media, Montana newspapers, who are all owned by some conglomerate somewhere else, have yet to realize that Butte native Levi Leipheimer has been running in the top fifteen at the tour de france and instead run front page stories about OTHER bicyclists and the pills they have been popping

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    Dude, start a new thread. Almost all of your posts in this thread have been off-topic.

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    Shut the feck up

    whine asss bich

    This thred is about Montana in general and Butte in particular

    Like Twisted Crank said long long ago

    incredible I went to Evel Week and rode the Puglsly herds of teenage whores strutting pens of harley bulls The marquis at the Cavalier Lounge there at the Finlein Hotel says

    "Welcome Evel"

    and his custom SUV is parked out front I am there to do a wheelie and a jump

    MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

    I take some photos of teenage whores and drunk harley bikers

    then tonite after band practice I am having a drink with the Kater Sisters those horrid temptresses

    There is this sleazy Kali Blonde making the moves hes got his cel phone with a video of HIM riding a rocket bike at Evel Week

    Its TURBO the Bozone Rocket Bicycle fenomena hitting on the hotties at the Eagles with his tale of glory I **** you not he's got bleach blonde hair and a gleaming shet eating grin a deep california tan and surfers shorts THE LATEST CELLULAR PHONE

    that shows videos of him on a Cannondale rocketing Uptown butte at Evel Days

    maybe Plonk will sponsor the twisted piece of shet

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    It's starting to sound like Butte in particular.

    The thread was about choosing a town in Montana in which to live. Updates on the GDR are off-topic, for example.

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    bozoman sucks dont come here!

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    Curious if there is any update from Vermont29er? Did this help you at all? Did you go?

    I'm interested enough in the original topic to keep checking this thread despite the tangents that I'd rather overlook.

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    Bozeman WINS!

    Alright this has gone on long enough. Vermont 29r apparantly has moved to California or something. There has obviously been too much time WASTED here chattering on and on about nothing in particular when we could be out there WORKING towards something productive like whacking down those forests or plowing up those prairies or blasting the mountains into smithereens to get at that precious precious gold that lies within. We could all be driving around in the heat in our SUVs with the air conditioning on yakking like crazy on our cel phones at least TRYING to look busy and productive instead of screwing off on the internet chatting about our friends and enemies Havre and bears guns and guitars good lord dont you people have anything to DO?

    I declare Bozeman the WINNER our biches are the hottest and their asses are the tightest, our downtown is the fanciest and our powder is the deepest our sky is the bluest and our Sweet Connie Chung will stone you blind. Our mountains are the tallest and our rivers swim with gaily leaping trout, moreover we have the most amount of mountain biking and mountain bikers plus our mountain bikers finish the GDR while everybody elses drops out, our bicycle shops are the busiest and our bicycle mechanics are the cutest. At least down at Summit anyway, also Big Sky has more verticle than anybody else and the lifts there are the fastest plus the trees are greener, our cel phone coverage is better, the air is fresher and the water is more refreshing. Mostly we are the Mostest except for the beer in which Missoula takes the prize whatever we can always import it, those hippies do have some sort of special touch in the brewing department.

    As the rules say: stop dragging this thread on and on for no reason if you dont have something important to say then just shut up and let it die. Your all just wasting precious time that could be spent on something more productive like drilling for more oil or building a bigger car or building a bigger house or trying to advance your status in life perhaps networking shopping knocking sombody up writing a book about how to make more money reading a book about how to get ahead of the other guy mowing your lawn shopping for a bigger television set or practicing talking into the mirror some sort of speech that you could use to try to get into somebody else's pants.

    Stay on the topic PLEASE! dont just wander around as if you didnt have a care in the world try to keep in mind that people have other more useful things to do than just goof off on the internet all day reading your silly chatter. Try to get to the POINT with your posts. Keep this in mind: Time Is Money The more time you waste on this site the more money you could be making and also think of all the other peoples money you are wasting when you waste THEIR time.

    This thread is now FINISHED complete over kapoot. We have answered Vermont 29rs question LONG AGO and hes not even around anymore to hear the answer thanks to a lot of shennanigans about Butte and Bear Hunting. Stop posting on this thread were all getting a little tired of it already! If you dont stop posting here the drudgery and boredom will just continue on adnauseam forever and we cant have that now can we?

    Everybody stop wasting your lives hanging around on this thread! Life is precious you only have a few precious years to aqquire as much social status and power as humanly possible every minute you waste here is a rung down the ladder you have consigned yourselves to voluntarily. This just reminds me of a bunch of little old ladies babbling away over tea.

    GET BACK TO WORK!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidarnott
    our bicycle mechanics are the cutest. At least down at Summit anyway,
    Waaait a minute, did Summit hire a cute female mechanic?

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    Bozeman sucksplease tell all your friends. Growth is inevitable butour sleepy little town is now showing its strech marks what used to be a nubile hardbodied teen is now a middleaged women bustibg at the seams after squirting out 5 kids with a smoke in the corner of her mouth whilst scratchin her ass. Traffic is terrible super unfriendly biking infrastructure for commuting. The people have become cell phone addicted anti social pricks, but hey we got a couple three good trails to ride immediately out of town. but your forsure to run into 10 unfriendly bastards on the trail. So please quit advertising my home on the tubes it has already become bad enough. I miss the day when Bozangelas was still unknown, was still friendly and we didnt have drugdealing college athletes executing people in fields. Good day to you all.-move somewhere else!

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    What?

    Hows all that bitterness working out for you? Have you left the valley lately? All that stuff is happening everywhere else in the country too. And you say "my home" , Everyone else feels the same pseudo ownership you do whether they want to mud bog up bear canyon or eat organic almonds on the lawn of the co-op. Furthermore you can only hope people are being drawn to the valley by a biking forum!!!! Maybe it will add a little flavor to the retirees and obscenely wealthy folks that are going to move here anyway. .....Peace....NB....

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    touche' point taken, my cup of bitter is jus' perfect. Oh and I do own Bozeman.lol

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    Ditto what Nathan said plus the following....

    Traffic here is worse than it used to be but it's anything but terrible. It's worse over in Missoula or Billings. People from the coasts laugh when we complain about our "traffic problems".

    I don't see your point about unfriendly bike infrastructure. I have no problems with my commute and most or all the new roads that are going in include bike lanes. Once Rouse gets redone (again) I'll have a bike lane/trail for my entire 5 mile commute to work. Any unfriendliness encountered during my rides is from idiot motorists and that's a problem for bikers everywhere.

    Instead of griping about what you see as problems, why not join the Bozeman Bicycle Advisory Board (BBAB) who is working with the city to include bike lanes etc in the road planning process?

    While I understand why some folks complain about change, I have to wonder if some of the "Bozeman sucks now-a-days" ranting that I hear is the latest way of playing the "I've been here longer than you" game.

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    I have been here longer than you, the traffic is terrible and just you wait three weeks, Kudos on the "if your not part of the solution your part of the... attitude". Our bike infrastructure does suck just b/c you have decent access, does not all of bozeman has access i.e. the entire length of college is designated bike route. Keep kidding your self just b/c you believe bozone to be better than where ever you came from, doesnt mean it isnt turning to suck for people who learned something different<--- thats a nice way of saying our out of state immigrants are part of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brymihay
    doesnt mean it isnt turning to suck for people who learned something different<--- thats a nice way of saying our out of state immigrants are part of the problem.
    Your "nice way" of saying something could use some editting for clarity, so I'm glad you cleared it up by pointing out that, like all nice places, people are moving in. Gee I hadn't noticed. Honestly, talking like you do makes it sounds like you're not very well travelled.

    Frankly, I have no issue with traffic because I bike. Sometimes I pass cars sometimes they pass me. And that brings me more to something that may be constructive...

    What specifically do you dislike about our commuting system? Where in Bozeman can you possibly live/need to go that you can't easily get to on a bike? Granted, you may need to get creative and maybe take a bit longer route if you're uncomfortable with some part of your ride - but other than Griffin or northern Rouse during the winter time I can't think of many places that aren't rideable with a decent margin of safety.

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    Bubble And Brew.....

    Stir The Pot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!stir The Pot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!stir The Pot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!stir The Pot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by brymihay
    I have been here longer than you, the traffic is terrible and just you wait three weeks, Kudos on the "if your not part of the solution your part of the... attitude". Our bike infrastructure does suck just b/c you have decent access, does not all of bozeman has access i.e. the entire length of college is designated bike route. Keep kidding your self just b/c you believe bozone to be better than where ever you came from, doesnt mean it isnt turning to suck for people who learned something different<--- thats a nice way of saying our out of state immigrants are part of the problem.
    I was wondering how this thread was still kicking around. Funny that the only thing about Montana on the Montana forum is people flaming each other. Anyone do any riding around here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jparker164
    I was wondering how this thread was still kicking around. Funny that the only thing about Montana on the Montana forum is people flaming each other. Anyone do any riding around here?
    No, we can't ride. The trails are closed and the state is on fire.

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    Ugh, sorry 'bout that. Work has been so boring lately that I need to do something now and then to jog my senses. Unfortunately this is it.

    As for biking, I'm finally working toward salvaging a decent season after spending a lot of time landscaping/fencing my new yard. I decided to sacrifice much of this summer to that end so that I don't need to think about it much in years to come. Fortunately, my last few rides have been new ones to me; Curly Lake/Highline, Slide Ck (new favorite), some stuff in Helena, and East Pine Ck (another new favorite but a bit of a drive for after work).

    What's new with you John?

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    Throwing flames it is

    Too much smoke over here near Missoula for riding. It sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nathan bay
    Too much smoke over here near Missoula for riding. It sucks.
    I think our luck in Bozeman has run out too. We had pretty clean air all summer but now with the 2 fires over near Livingstone/Big Timber, things are getting pretty smokey in the morning or when the wind comes from the east.

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    Hey Bozeman kids. Is everything up hylite still open? I'm from out of town and am planning on riding up to emerald lake wednesday morning. I fear the this year might be what happened to the missoula area in 2000, a complete closure of public lands. It just won't rain.

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    all good up hylite, youll feel like you spent a night at the bar afterwards cough* cough* bonus is that nobody is on the trails midweek in smokey have a good ride. dirt your an idiot lol

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