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    Smile Trail Damage in the Foothills

    As a volunteer ranger for the Ridge to Rivers folks, I generally patrol the busier lower foothills trails - Kestrel Crestline, Military Reserve, etc. As the summer progressed, I began to take photos of trail damage on some of those trails, particularly in Military Reserve. The Ridge to Rivers folks have been kind enough to post the article and photos on their website. Here's the link:

    http://www.cityofboise.org/parks/R2R...0Foothills.pdf

    I know I'm preaching to the converted here, but please help spread the word. Stay on the trails!

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    it's a lost cause. just too many people...and lot of them are just ignorant. it's too bad.

    and the "being single" sign on buck is totally wrong...it shows a mtn. bike tire on singletrack..

    should show hikers walking single file...

    buck will look like the freeway after this winter when the trail runners/hikers run on the grass to avoid muddy/heavy feet...

    i'm convinced that they cause the most widening. walking side by side...as mentioned above..walking/running in the grass during the wet months..running/walking off trail when traffic is coming in the other direction...

    most bikers i see stop/yield. most....

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    I like the photo of Buddha and Flip. That one makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I like Flip's sly and sexy "come hither" expression. It's like looking at a softcore porn mag. I wonder why Flip never looks at me that way. Maybe it's my lack of trail work.

    In addition to Flip's perty lips, another aspect of the photo produces more chub - we get a nice wide angle shot of Buddha's rump.

    But, on the downside, Flip's chicken legs make me feel ooky. Can we get a hot meal for that guy? I can see it now - Flip's Meals on Wheels rides!

    (Side note. The singletrack is still single on the section of trail pictured with B and F because it's a grunt of a climb and rarely do I see anyone hiking or riding it. Lower use = narrow trails. Duh.)

    Possible solution for trail widening - strategically placed land mines. I volunteer to do the trail work for that project. Or perhaps the trail rangers could double as snipers and pick violators off at random.

    Just some thoughts.
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    I fear you are right.

    Buck's is already starting to look like the Freeway in places.

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    All users contribute to the widening of the trail. Dogs don't necessarily know to stay single file so they heel next to their owners causing braiding. Bikers go off the trail to avoid yielding. Runners and hikers go off trail to avoid mud (or to avoid bikers that don't yield). What we're trying to do at R2R is educate all users about the importance of singletrack (and proper etiquette) and how to keep it singletrack... It's not necessarily the runners, hikers that have more (or less) of the blame. If this was the case, then Upper Hulls Interprative would look like the Freeway already (but it's still pretty narrow singletrack)!
    It does feel like a losing battle at times but someone has to fight it...
    Good job on the info Terry...

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    Possible solution for trail widening - strategically placed land mines. I volunteer to do the trail work for that project. Or perhaps the trail rangers could double as snipers and pick violators off at random


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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    I like the photo of Buddha and Flip. That one makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Gives me a little chub too, especially since we get a nice wide angle shot of Buddha's rump. Flip's chicken legs make me feel ooky. Can we get a hot meal for that guy? I can see it now - Flip's Meals on Wheels rides!

    (Side note. The singletrack is still single on the section of trail pictured with B and F because it's a grunt of a climb and rarely do I see anyone hiking or riding it.)

    Possible solution for trail widening - strategically placed land mines. I volunteer to do the trail work for that project. Or perhaps the trail rangers could double as snipers and pick violators off at random.

    Just some thoughts.
    That's actually Hodgee in the Hawaiian shirt... You'll notice that the bike has gears so it can't be Buddha...

    The funny thing is I suggested land mines during a Ranger Meeting as a way to keep singletrack single... It only takes one or two "Booms!" before people learn to stay on the trail... No one found it amusing... Maybe we can get some more artillery shell signs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    It's not necessarily the runners, hikers that have more (or less) of the blame. If this was the case, then Upper Hulls Interprative would look like the Freeway already (but it's still pretty narrow singletrack)!
    Upper Hulls is singletrack because of trail placement and lack of use. Bucks trail was placed in a location that makes it easy to go off trail to avoid people. It is too bad Bucks was not placed on more of a sidehill to force people to stay on the trail.

    I do agree that all users are at fault when it comes to trail widening, but it only seems like it is the Mountain Bikers who really step up to the plate to do something about it.

    One Solution would be to rope off certain bad sections and try to establish some sagebrush or bitterbrush to force people to stay on the trail. This would take a couple of years but I think it is the only way to keep Bucks narrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smilycook
    One Solution would be to rope off certain bad sections and try to establish some sagebrush or bitterbrush to force people to stay on the trail. This would take a couple of years but I think it is the only way to keep Bucks narrow.
    or lining the edge of the trails with rocks to keep it single...or how 'bout berming the corners which would lead to less off trail riding if a rider blows the turn

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilycook
    Upper Hulls is singletrack because of trail placement and lack of use. Bucks trail was placed in a location that makes it easy to go off trail to avoid people. It is too bad Bucks was not placed on more of a sidehill to force people to stay on the trail.
    yep - lower hulls gets tons of use..and it's essentially singletrack until you leave the narrow gulch.. bobs has less traffic..and it's single...

    it's the general (and large) population that just doesn't know any better...

    shanes doesn't get as much use as buck....not as much use from peds...especially...and for the most part..it is singletrack...(not the steep sections with R2R speed bumps)...

    best solution is to build higher and away from the crowds...

    camelsback, freeway, buck, military - they're lost...it was gone before i even moved here ..

    i still disagree with the stay single sign on buck (with the bike wheel)...it's the hikers...

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    You know what I think? I think my toenails need a trimming and Winco should stop putting breaded chicken in their chicken caesar salad sammies. I mean, who in the hell uses breaded chicken in a chicken caesar salad? People with long toenails, that's my guess.

    Perhaps we could line the trails with chicken caesar salad? I love salad. And Velveeta. I've polished off almost an entire log of Velveeta in the last week.

    Do you think the Hoff eats Velveeta?

    This picture of the Hoff and shar-peis is sort of like the one of hodgee and Flip.
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    If others ride, run, or walk off trail when yielding to you, stop and invite them back on the
    trail. A simple “thanks, but it would really be better if you stayed on the trail” usually works.


    not everyone would be receptive to this request...

    easier said than done.

    i could see a stranger giving me the "who the **** are you" look and comment if i said this to them...


    And, if you are riding with a group and people ride off trail, call them on it!

    that's easy..

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    Yep, that happens sometimes . . .

    but I have also had a couple of instances where I stopped people and explained why they shouldn't walk off the trail (dead vegetation=erosionwhen it rains, etc.) and they were very receptive. They hadn't ever thought about why they should stay on the trail.

    It can be very frustrating. One time on Buck's a guy was coming toward me on a bike so I stopped and did the IMBA-approved lean, etc. This guy still rides about four feet off the trail to get around me. And I wasn't even wearing manpris.

    So I sez, "Hey, we'd really appreciate it if you stayed on the trail." (Keep in mind I'm wearing a bright yellow R2R Ranger jersey). This guy huffs all up and declares righteously, "Then YOU stay on the trail!"

    While I do see a lot of hikers and joggers going off trail, I would honestly have to say that I see just as many cyclists doing it.

    Every little bit helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    It's not necessarily the runners, hikers that have more (or less) of the blame. If this was the case, then Upper Hulls Interprative would look like the Freeway already (but it's still pretty narrow singletrack)!
    I think this is a faulty conclusion. UHI gets much less foot traffic than the Freeway or Lower Hulls.
    [edit]looks like that has been mentioned, eh? How about barbed wire fences on each side of the trail, maybe 30" wide? I have fond memories and scars from a barbed wire encounter. It would be like the good ol' days.

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    Line the trails with naked pictures of the Hoff. That would scar many riders for life.

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    Wow Gary looks even younger in that picture than he does in person. Why do people like Gary get so luck as to look 18 all their lives and people like me just look older and fatter as time goes by.
    Am I being kind?

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    Did someone day Hoff? You got owned, b!tch.
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    Flip Hoff?

    Honestly -- that picture robbed me of coherent thought. It's wrong, but for some reason I find myself unable to look away.

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    It's a no brainer: sow the countryside with puncture vine and cut our trails with Roundup.
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    Place cow dung on the sides of the trails.
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