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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Stanley/Sawtooth/Whitecloud/SunValley Information Thread!

    Stanley Area Info:

    Since we always seem to have plenty of Stanley questions, I thought it was about time to create a sticky with some information on the Stanley Area. This is by no means all inclusive so please add things I have missed.

    Personally I think the Stanley area has some of the best riding in the country, so read on and enjoy.

    Sawtooth Forest Information:
    http://www.forestcamping.com/dow/intermtn/sawinfo.htm

    SNRA Recreation Report with current conditions:
    http://www.fs.fed.us/r4/sawtooth/rec.../recreport.htm
    http://www.fs.fed.us/r4/sawtooth/rec...ail_report.pdf
    http://www.fs.fed.us/r4/sawtooth/conditions/


    Past Trips and Questions for the Stanley Area
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=393702
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=378366
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=336664
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=229094


    Campgrounds in Stanley Area:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...ley+campground
    Redfish Lake Campgrounds – Book early can fill up. If full just stay at campground right across from the Redfish Turnoff.
    Stanley Lake Campground – Book early can fill up.
    Primitive Camping along the Salmon River in certain sections, please stay in areas already disturbed, access from Decker Flats Rd.



    Trails:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=116528

    My Annual Trip to the Whiteclouds:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=411995


    Plus some Ride Descriptions:
    Castle Peak Loop - The classic introduction ride in the White clouds. We will drive from camp up Pole Creek Rd. to the Germania Trailhead. This road is pretty rough so we will have to pile into the high clearance vehicles to make it to the trailhead. From the trailhead we will descend about a mile down Germania Creek to the junction for the trail to Washington Lake. From here we will be climbing for about an hour and a half to two hours to summit out at around 9000ft. We will turn left and head up towards Washington Lake and then turn right at the junction towards Chamberlin Lakes. Once we reach the saddle overlooking Castle Peak and Chamberlin Lake we will descend down to the lakes and then turn right onto Chamberlin Creek. We will grab lunch at the saddle and take in one of the best views of Castle Peak! Now the descent gets steep and we will lose some serious elevation. Don’t miss the large waterfall on your right thought. Chamberlin Creek will meat up with Germania Creek. From here we will climb out for about an hour back to the trailhead. We will need to be careful at all the stream crossings as the rocks are slippery and the current swift. Total ride time is usually 4 to 5 hours and this is a good way to start the trip.



    Boundary Creek Loop – We will carpool as much as possible to the Boundary Creek Trailhead, since we will come out on William’s trail which is an easy ride back to camp for those who did not drive. From Boundary Creek Trailhead across from the Fish hatchery we will ascend for almost 2 and half hours. At the first saddle we will turn right on Little Casino and head towards the Casino Lakes. We will again top out around 9000ft and stop for lunch. Don’t forget to look over your shoulders on the climb for one of the best views of Redfish Lake and the Sawtooths. From the top we will descend and turn right towards Warm Springs Meadows and Martin Creek. This descent is very rocky and a blast and will take us down into Warm Springs Meadow. From Warm Springs Meadow we will climb up to the Williams Trail and then Descend on the Williams Trail, which is the best part of the Fischer Creek Loop! At the bottom of Williams those who drove will ride back to the vehicles and the rest can ride back to camp. This ride takes around 5 to 6 hours and will depend on how bad the fire damaged part of the trail.



    Boundary/Little Casino – This is a shuttle ride today so we will first need to drop some vehicles at the Little Casino trailhead. Then we will start at Boundary Creek trail again and climb to the first saddle. From the first saddle at Boundary Creek we will turn left and head down Little Casino. Little Casino is really a hoot and is fast and twisty and we will get misplaced in one of the meadows where the trail disappears. If someone is looking for more miles on this day they can descend Big Casino instead. Little Casino will make for a long descent and the ride will take about 4 hours. We will run the shuttle and maybe hit up the pizza joint in town if people are game.



    Optional Second Ride: After our shuttle some of us can do the Redfish lake loop, which is technical and a lot of fun with some good views. There are two climbs on this loop and the option to hike up to the waterfall above Redfish Lake. This loop will take us about 2 and half hours and is a classic.



    Bowery Loop - We will carpool up Pole Creek Road to the trailhead for Gladiator Pass. The road changes here from 2wd to 4wd so this is pretty obvious. We will ascend to Gladiator Pass and then descend down the South Fork of the Salmon River to the Bowery guard Station. This is an epic downhill and your arms will be pumped by the end. We will eat at the Bowery Guard Station and then climb up the Trail heading up from the Guard Station to the pass. This trail is a big hike-a-bike, but is well worth it to complete the loop. Once at the top the downhill is wild to say the least. Once reaching Germania Creek we will ascend up the creek along the trail and then up the dirt road. We will then descend Pole Creek Road to the vehicles. This is a big ride and will probably take 6 to 8 hours.



    Sun Valley Info:


    Trails:
    Lots of trails to ride and discover the best resource is the book good dirt. If you want more of the classic Sun Valley buffed single track then stay close to Ketchum. As you get further from Ketchum the Trails get more challenging and more of a backcountry experience.


    Past Post( Lots of info out there)
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...+valley+trails
    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...+valley+trails
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    Camping Sun Valley Area:
    http://www.forestcamping.com/dow/intermtn/saw.htm
    http://www.reserveamerica.com
    Deer Creek Road (Good Primitive Camping)



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    uh, I'm a long way away but it seems like this would be appropriate for this thread
    http://www.bwbt.org/trailupdates.htm

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    Maps

    Is there a good map (like trail illustrated or the lat 40 map for CB CO) that is availiable for the stanley and or ketchum area? suggestions would be appreciated.

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    vacation in SV

    Got into town Mon night late, woke up on Tue and did Fox creek to Oregon gulch for starters, it was a great intro to SV for my wife and me. Today we drove up to Fisher creek and did the loop, burned out forrest was kinda cool riding through all that, never experienced that before any place. Tomorrow we might do either Greenhorn or Potato mt. Any ways this town is the best hospitality I have experienced any place. The people are so laid back and nice. Thanks SV for making our vacation nice so far.
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    I am looking for some Beginner to Intermediate trails that I can do in the Sun valley area. I recently got back into Mountain Biking and got a good hard tail bike. I did the new mountain bike trail that circles the new White cloud golf course in Sun Valley and found that to be a good trail for my skill level so I'm looking for more.

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    North Fork of Deer Creek Loop

    Been riding this loop for many years and every ride is different. The trail has evolved through maintenance, use and re-routes. Yesterday before the storm blew in My oldest and one of my newest friends looped it. Here is the evidence:



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    Any beta on whether any trails in in the SV area are rideable? Is there enough open to make a memorial weekend trip worthwhile?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dauwalt
    Any beta on whether any trails in in the SV area are rideable? Is there enough open to make a memorial weekend trip worthwhile?
    I haven't had much chance to get out this season yet, but it seems as if most of the trails are open and dry. Fire warnings are up to moderate already so I am betting it is pretty dry up there. There is some snow on the caps, so really high trails might still be iffy, but the bulk of them should be a-ok.

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    2009 Annual MT Bike Idaho Tour
    Good hard fun had by all. Close to 200 miles and 20,000 feet total gain in 8 days for the boys. I took a few days off and rode Fisher Creek instead of the big ride.
    Ride descriptions thread

    Photos here:

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    Seeking Stanley trial riders for Sep 3 & 4, 2009

    I'm heading to Stanley on Sep 2, 2009. I'll be mountain biking on Sep 3 and 4 (Thi & Fri). I'm seeking trail riding partners for those days. Reply here or PM me if your interested.

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    I recently returned from a two-week trip to Hailey/Ketchum and thought I'd post some information that might be of value or interest to others looking for information on the area. We were there for thirteen days and were able to ride every day. So, here goes:

    Day 1 - Sunnyside to Shadyside. Not much to say about this ride except that it's a great beginner's ride. We had one lady in the group that was brand new to mountain biking and she was able to complete the ride although she was pretty tired afterward.

    Day 2 - Greenhorn to Imperial Gulch. My wife and I rode Greenhorn to Imperial. She is a strong intermediate and did fine with this ride. The climb is gradual with a couple steepish spots near the top but easily walkable. The descent down Imperial is a blast. This is a good first day ride if you've just arrived and only have a half-day to get one in. Really nice views too.

    Day 3 - Mahoney to Imperial. This is a little more advanced ride so the beginner/intermediates sat this one out. It's not super technical but it is physical - the climb up Mahoney is a constant grind and loose talus slope in places make it a little more difficult. The last pitch of the climb and the eroded switchbacks were a slam to the ego but they were easily walkable. The descent and views are great.

    Day 4 - Adams Loop. The ride begins by riding up Shadyside and after that up Adams Gulch. The map showed about a six mile climb up Adams and we probably had to push our bike for about two miles of that. That last couple miles to the top are unrideable since the trail is loose and goes straight up the hillside. The ride down is fun with a couple, loose steep spots, but mostly fun singletrack. If they rerouted the trail at the top and made some nice switchbacks, this would be a really good ride. As it is right now, I probably wouldn't ride it again.

    Day 5 - Saddle to Chocolate to Fox. This is a great ride. Park in the Oregon Gulch trailhead and ride to Saddle trail over to Chocolate. The saddle is a great trail and a fun way to end the ride. This ride is just a bunch of fun, fast singletrack with nothing too cosmic. A couple of scenic spots are a nice place to stop and re energize. This was one of my favorite rides of the trip. My wife was able to complete the ride but she was beat when we finished.

    Day 6 - Fisher Creek. This was the only day we almost got rained out but we were able to sneak in the ride in between storms. This was one person's first time on Fisher and it lived up to its reputation - he had a blast. He clocked us at 30 mph on some of the descents which doesn't sound that fast until you consider what an impact with one of those lodgepoles that line the trail would be like. It had been since last Summer since I rode it and I had forgotten how fun this trail is and how long it feels like the descent lasts. This is a great bang-for-the-buck ride. We were able to include the neophyte riders by taking a vehicle up the Fisher Creek road and cutting off some of the climb. I know some think this ride is overrated but at least give it a try before giving it a pass.

    Day 7 - Howard's Trail to Mars Ridge. We camped up Deer Creek road and this is a great place to stage out of for the rides in the area. This is ride #11 in Mountain Biking Sun Valley and we rode it essentially as the guidebook suggests except we came down the North Fork Deer Creek trail. Motorcycles are allowed on this trail and it shows - the trail was loose and whooped in places, usually in the steep parts when they'd give it the gas to get going. This is fine for the motorheads but makes it difficult for us bikers. This made the ascent a pain but it really made it sad on the descent. It could've been a fun downhill but the combination of motorcycles and erosion had V-ed out the trail so badly that it made it very difficult and not that fun. Three of four of us ate **** on the descent off of Mars. I'm glad I can say that I did this ride but I wouldn't do it again. However, the trail down the NF Deer Creek was fun.

    Day 8 - Oregon Gulch. This is ride #30 in Mountain Biking Sun Valley and we rode (I use the term "rode" loosely) it as the guidebook suggested. This was the biggest disappointment of the trip. In my opinion, and several of the others in the group, this trail has no business being listed in a mountain bike guide. The trail is more of a horse/hiking trail than anything else - heinously steep on the up and just as bad on the down. If your idea of fun is pushing your bike up and then skidding down, have at it. I'll never ride it again. I think one rider from the group put it best later that evening while sitting around the campfire and after a handful of beers, "If I ever see this McBob guy, I'm going to punch him in the nose and tell him, 'that's for Oregon Gulch'".

    Day 9 - Wolftone to Kinsey. This is ride #12. Nice ride with good views to the south and the Snake River plain. It's a nice, gradual climb up Wolftone that is mostly jeep trail. Only the last little bit is loose and moderately rideable. The traverse over to Kinsey is nice and scenic. The descent down Kinsey is fun with some water bars towards the bottom that make ours in the foothills seem like anthills.

    Day 10 - Lodgepole to Mahoney to Greenhorn to Imperial. This is a great ride. The ascent up Lodgepole is constant although totally rideable - really nice gradient. The descent into Mahoney is super fun. The climb up from Mahoney is the switch back trail that I described for day 3 that will leave your ego bruised and battered. The rest of the ride is as described for day 3. I think this is a great ride and was one of my favorites.

    Day 11 - North Fork Big Wood to Amber Lakes (Whoops!). I camped up the North Fork of the Big Wood in hopes of scoping out some of the trails up there to see if they're rideable. I had planned on taking this day off since I was feeling a little worn. I was looking at the Adventure Map and it was unclear to me as to whether bike were allowed on the NF Big Wood. So, I decided to ride up to the trailhead to see if there was any signage. When I got to the trailhead there was nothing there that showed mountain biking was prohibited, so I continued up. Since this was supposed to be just a ride to the trailhead to check things out, I had left my map back at camp. I continued a mile or so to the junction of Amber Lakes and NF Big wood trails. Again, I didn't see any signage so I continued on. Long story short, Amber Lakes is great trail but I didn't see any bike treads in the dirt, so I knew something was up. I completed the ride up to the lakes and only as I returned to the trail junction did I see the backside of a sign that I knew was going to be my no biking sign - sure enough. In my defense, the sign was away and higher than all the other trail marker signs. It's too bad, because this would be a great ride. It's still worth a hike.

    Day 12 - NF Big Wood to trail end. Another exploratory day. The ride was okay. I rode about four or five miles up the drainage to where the waterfall section begins. I thought about hike-a-biking up and then continuing on but I decided to just hoof it. As it turned out, if I would have walked my bike up, the trail flattened and was rideable again. I'm glad I did walk it thought because it turned out that I paralleled three bull elk as they were making their way down the drainage. I was hoping to see a pack of wolves chase one of them down but it never happened.

    Day 13 - I repeated my ride from day 5. This is a really great ride.

    I headed out the next day for two weeks in Park City, but that's a story for another group. I will say, however, if you haven't ridden in PC, you're missing some incredible terrain. Everything from super-cruisy singletrack to lift assisted freeride in a condensed location.

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    Thanks for the ride recaps in Hailey/Ketchum...13 days would be a big hallpass for me. Anyway, I'm sorry your ride on Oregon wasn't good. I enjoyed the trail a lot both times I rode it:

    Day 1 - Oregon to Fox:
    1. Mild climb on lower Oregon from hwy 75 to the cutoff to Fox Creek at the creek.
    2. Climb Fox Creek and take the Oregon - Fox Connector #311
    3. I stayed on Fox creek all the way back to hwy 75, but you could do Chocolate/Saddle too

    Day 2 - Adams to Oregon ...this was actually months later then Day 1
    1. Climb Adams #142 (not #137!) until it merges into Warm Springs Ridge Trail
    2. Stay on Warm Springs Ridge Trail headed North to East Fork Creek
    3. Head North on East Fork Creek Road and look for Oregon Gulch trailhead on your right
    4. DESCEND upper Oregon Gulch. I continued descending out lower Oregon to hwy 75.
    5. I rode #75 back to Ketchum - I was pretty tired, temps were in mid-30's with some snow in spots.

    This ride has so many mountain views and upper Oregon is a wicked descent. Hope this was helpful for you.

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    Cool thread! I bought a new bike this year and then decided to buy a new tent for the sole purpose of exploring Stanley area this summer. I've only ridden Fisher Creek and it was by far the best trail I've ever experienced anywhere.
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    See also the following thread:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=540685
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    I am going to add this to the sticky so people can check snow levels in the sun valley and Stanley area.

    http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/snotel/Idaho/idaho.html

    Your best bet is to find sensors with similar elevations to the trails you are going to ride. For example chocolate gulch will give you an idea for the lower sun valley trails since it is at 6400. Then check out galena and Vienna for the later summer rides.
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    looking to do some back-country exploring on two wheels?

    another great reference guide: as if Ridaho doesn't have enough trails for you to ride, the Idaho State Parks and Rec have a website with a pretty inclusive trail-inventory overview of most all the trails that are out there (but not all 100% of them, just 90-95%,) both moto and non-moto.

    the condition of some of the trails is probably questionable, but the maps they provide on the website are still a good place to start contemplating something new and epic.

    http://www.trails.idaho.gov/

    in case this link doesn't work for you:

    http://parksandrecreation.idaho.gov/index.aspx

    then click Download Trail Map (left side, midway down)
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    new trails & pathways information portal

    Hey ya'll-
    Check out this new site for conditions in the Ketchum/Sun Valley/Hailey area. It's similar to the Idaho parks & rec site, but with more updated conditions and is tailored a bit more to the not-so-motorized crowd. The site was just rolled out about a week ago. It's still in 'beta' mode with only a partial listing of the trails. The plan is for it to be built out over the summer to eventually include all of the trails between Kimberly and the southern boundary of the Frank Church Wilderness of No Return.

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    Going to be in Stanley this Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Planning to ride Fisher one day for sure. Have ridden the Potato Mountain/Basin Ceek loop ride last year and really liked it; wondering about stream crossings this year? Redfish Lake loop is on the list. What other ride would be advised? Would an out and back up Big or Little Casino be a viable option? Have done Elk Meadows before and will probably skip that this time. Thanks for any help!

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    nels and me rode up big boulder and down little boulder for the first time. My daughter joined us for part of the ride. what a great trail. This is my new favorite loop out in the stanley area. here are some pics
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    Come race your snow bike at Snow King Resort in Jackson, WY

    Jonesing to race your bike? You don’t have to wait ’til summer. Grab your snow mountain bike, or rent one (see below) and head over to the town hill February 11th at 4:45pm for the first Snow King Snow Bike race. It's going to be fast since Snow King is STEEEEEP! Check our website and blog for more info.

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    deadfall alert - 4th july to robinson bar

    born lakes to robinson bar has a lot of dead fall, expect at least couple of extra hours to ride it. you will be walking a lot, not recommended until the trail is cleared. if someone wants to see how to screw up a trail, this would be a good example.

    bad sections above and below warm springs meadows in burn areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maynard g. krebs View Post
    born lakes to robinson bar has a lot of dead fall, expect at least couple of extra hours to ride it. you will be walking a lot, not recommended until the trail is cleared. if someone wants to see how to screw up a trail, this would be a good example.

    bad sections above and below warm springs meadows in burn areas.
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    Any advice on Warfield or Red Warrior. About 2009-10 Did Red Warrior off Mars Ridge from Greenhorn. Ended up bushwhacking downhill until meeting up with Lodgepole. This was just post fire a year. I have read Red Warrior has been rerouted as well as Warfield. I love climbing out of Greenhorn to get up top but had read that I could climb Warfield and then loop down Red warrior or Mahoney Greenhorn whatever. Always looking to explore. Don't mind hike a biking up but not so much hike a biking down

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    Last year we rode from South Fork of Warm Springs...And came out Red Warrior. Complete details on this thread: Big Ketchum Ride 9/4/11 - http://forums.mtbr.com/idaho-montana-wyoming/big-ketchum-ride-9-4-11-a-734974.html

    An alternate would be to head up from Poison Flats to Mars Ridge then down to Lodge Pole then down Red Warrior - I never liked the trail straight off Mar's Ridge to Red Warrior - Drops too fast and cuts off the top - best part of the Red Warrior downhill.

    The classic route is to leave from town - Mahoney to Lodge Pole to Red Warrior back to town - Try to do that in 5 hours 30 miles...;-)
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    Thanks for the input. Enjoyed your link and ride description. I recall doing S F Warm Springs probably ten years ago up to Poison Flat and then I think down to Deer Creek. I sorta agree w you about upper Red Warrior. Poor Flow. A couple years ago climbed from Deer Creek past Red Warrior to Mars Ridge and then down Mahoney. Was also really bummed w the deep motorcycle ruts down the middle of the trail up from the horse camp which made climbing very frustrating. Continuously on and off the bike for about a 1000 ft of climb. The burn along Mahoney really had contributed to a lot of erosion making that trail a completely different DH experience, then it got great again below the burn. I read about a reroute on upper Lodgepole before meeting up w Red Warrior. Should make that better in both directions.

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    Did not get to Warfield

    We ended up checking out the re-routes from Greenhorn over the top to Mahoney Downhill and then the cutoff to upper Lodge Pole. I was very happy to see the Mahoney downhill has been maturing nicely in the burn area and the trail has been rerouted after all the post-burn rain and snow runoff just killed it a couple years ago. The LodgePole DH to Red Warrior was also nicely re-routed. I would definitely like to climb LodgePole now. Not that one long fall line section before getting in to Red Warrior and also the trail was cut up away from the Red Warrior Creek as it had previously run down the course of the creek for a 1/8 mile by my recollection. Trail still dips in and out of the creek once we got lower on Red Warrior, but just briefly and refreshingly on an 80 degree day. Will have to explore Warfield and Poison Flat another time another trip. Have also never done Castle / Placer loop up there off Warm Springs Road. Would be interesting to tie that in to Baker or Eves somehow...so much good dirt. Thank you to Ketchum bike studs and stewards for expanding the trail opportunities. Seeing all the work that has been done since last visit two years ago will get me back out there in short order. While there I saw an open house at the YMCA on a planned 60 mile trail network off Galena Ridge. That just has me slobbering all over myself.

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    Vaughn, what exactly you referring to when you say Galena Ridge? I'm guessing you refers to Galena summit north of Ketchum, and if so, the possibilities are mind boggling. maybe this will inspire the Stanley District to throw in with them and do a little work on their side of Galena summit in the headwaters country.
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    Also, Warm Springs Ridge - Between Rooks Creek/Adams Gulch Ridge and "Lost Shirt" toward the ridge above the Castle / Placer loop is going to be worked on...

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    Here is the link for the warm springs ridge trail rework. The new name is the Osberg trail. 22 miles of single track from baker lake parking lot to Adams gulch!
    http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_...rdb5370611.pdf

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    I am thinking of heading down this way. I have done ant basin in the past solo with a 4 wheeler shuttle. I don't know if I want to drag my 4 wheeler down there to shuttle 4th of july road. Are there other big rides that are just as good and don't need a shuttle?
    or just throw the atv in the truck and do ants solo again?

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    Check out the first post a number of those rides can be done without a shuttle or you can put other loops together with the map.
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    I was looking at your castle peak loop. looks pretty cool. Same league as ants?

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    another quick question, I know Stanley and sun valley are very close, But which one has the better riding. Been to Stanley and did some fun rides. I might only be able to sneak in a couple of rides, Should I just do a bunch of Sun valley stuff or stay in the Stanley area and ride just there? does that make sense, ride in Stanley or sun valley or both?


    also none of this might happen if the wife changes her mind.

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    A "Bucket List" of rides can be found in the Stanley Valley AND the Wood River Valley.
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    Castle is defiantly in the same league. You do need a high clearance truck to make it to the trail head otherwise you will have some time riding on the road.
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    sweet, thanks for all the info and it sounds like it doesn't matter where down there you ride, it is all good.
    hopefully I can swing it.

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    Is there any update on the trail clearings in Stanley area? I heard there were a number of trails with blowdowns.

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    I'll be up there over the fourth, so I've talked with the ranger station in Stanley. Fisher Williams is good. They don't have a report on Elk Mountain yet. The crews are over in the big casino little casino area. Potato mountain is reporting 100 trees down per mile. It won't be cleared by next week. Some down trees on little boulder, no report on Big boulder.
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    Looking into doing an overnight bike trip in the white clouds. I am not so interested in hike a bike but some is ok. Bike mag had a great article about chamberlain lakes ride but they wouldnt share the details. What about a loop up 4th of july, ants, warm springs, williams? Anybody done the big boulder, boulder chain lakes, little boulder loop?

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    From 4th of July to Ants Basin there is some steep hike a biking and going up the boulder chain lakes is all hike a bike. Big Boulder and Little Boulder are both ride able and I did an overnight at Frog lake about 7 years ago with a BOB trailer. The pass they went over in the magazine is near castle peak and is pushing right near the top. How many days?

    A chamberlin-little boulder - bowery guard station- east fork of salmon is a good route or looping into frog lake is a good one nighter.

    My suggestion is go to trail.idaho.gov and map out your route and import the segments into google earth and look at the elevation profiles.

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    Looking into doing an overnight bike trip in the white clouds. I am not so interested in hike a bike but some is ok. Bike mag had a great article about chamberlain lakes ride but they wouldnt share the details. What about a loop up 4th of july, ants, warm springs, williams? Anybody done the big boulder, boulder chain lakes, little boulder loop?
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    I am thinking of 1 or 2 nights at most to minimize food weight since I am doing this with a pack and no trailer. Is the warm springs section decent single track (once the trees are cleared)?

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    Ants Basin to Warm Springs to Williams as a loop is about 40 miles.
    Start at the highway and ride up the 10 miles of dirt road to Fourth of July tail head on Fourth of July Rd.
    (The Bike article turned south and went past 4th of July lake to Washington Lake then up to Chamberland) or they started at the POLE CR-GERMANIA Trail head to get to Chamberland - Then they came out Little Boulder with a shuttle pickup.

    We did this but camped at the camp ground (great hot springs at the ranger station) on the East Fork of the Salmon Rd then next day came out the West Fork Trail to Pole Creek - Took a side hike up to Galdiator on the way out.

    The web site: Idaho Parks & Recreation
    Has a gap and error on the route from Ants Basin to Born Lakes. I have notified them and it will be updated with the next round of updates.

    Follow the trail on the ground from Ants Basin to Born Lakes BUT when you get to the lakes hang left to find the trail down to Warm Springs Meadow.

    From the meadow you can go out Pig Tail then Williams Creek or go on down to Robinson Bar but now you might need a shuttle. Park at Lower O'Brian Camp Ground on the river then dip at Sunbeam hot springs on the way home - stop in at the Steel Brige Grill in Lower Stanley for the best view and food...

    Road ride from Williams Creek Trail Head back to Fourth of July Rd is about 4 miles.

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    Looking for info on loop possibilities using new Osberg Ridge Trail and Baker creek? Can't find a good map ( is the route basically the same as the warm springs ridge? )

    Like to avoid riding or shuttling all of Baker creek road ... but maybe its not possible.

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    OK - If this Sun Valley trail is complete then it is a reroute of the Warm Springs Ridge Trail that is on older forest Service Maps and should be on the Adventure Map for that area.

    Back in the day we rode from K-Town to Fox Creek to Oregon Gulch to E fork of Baker Creek Rd. - Long and Hard. From the Rd can go over to the Ridge Trail and come down Adams Gulch or Adams Ridge or Rooks Creek to Warm Springs Rd (near the Frenchmens Hot Springs but on the North side) or
    TO:ALDEN Tr#7144 back down to the main Baker Creek Rd.
    (this is one of my personal favorate loop rides to start and end at baker creek - but may have poisoned close friendships by taking people who did not appreciate the difficulty etc.)

    OR
    Continue up the Warm Springs Ridge Trail and (new) Osberg Ridge Trail - The old trail was brutal-the ridge makes a horshoe loop to baker lakes - the apex is "Lost Shirt Trail" on the map.

    The way down to Warm Springs Rd and back to K-town is Bar - Bear Gulch or Rooks Creek or Adams.

    Some one may have made the connection to the Placer-Castle Loop - another great ride...

    So much single track so little time...:-)

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    Southern Idaho Trail Maps

    detailed topographic trail maps of south-central Idaho including: Stanley, Ketchum, Baumgartner North and South, Boulder/Whiteclouds, Trinities, Yankee Fork, north to Burgdorf, including Bull Trout/Ten Mile Ridege, Stolle Meadows, and Krassel, east to Big 8 Mile and Sawmill Creek, and further east to the Big Holes and Fall Creek area...are available to anyone who'd like them.

    they are more for motorcycles, but many of them are already great mountain bike rides. just ask Howley.

    their source is Bill Dart, a very involved advocate for motorized access on our public lands and past president of the Idaho state Blue Ribbon Coalition, and they are his own personal maps that he now sells.

    some of you may already be familiar with Baumgartner North and South, especially if you ride motorcycles. it is the best trail map of that area that there is. every trail is rated (by color and square, circle, diamond), some one-way (for motorheads, not necessarilly bicycles.)

    you will be buying the maps directly from Bill Dart.

    Bill Dart: "I print the maps on plastic weather resistant foldable paper now and I sell them for $10 per double sided map sheet, plus $2 postage for up to 5 maps. My map program gives me 5 base levels, and then I can scale any layer from 20% up to 300%. I use different scales to fit as much information on a map as I can. Some areas have more wide spread trail systems then others, and need wider coverage.

    "Let me know what maps you want. You can either mail me a check to my mail address below or I accept PayPal payments to this e-mail address...[email protected]"

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    Has anybody done a ride from ketchum area to boise? I was looking at riding up baker creek road, then Norton creek. From there on I am not sure, but it looks like motorcycle trails connecting to big smoky creek. What are the roads like along the south fork boise river? What about trying to get to Atlanta, any routes there which would then allow a shorter route to boise down the middle fork?

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    Ketchum to Boise?

    A bit of a mix. Are you looking for single track from k-town to Boise and or dirt roads?

    This has been done as a hot springs each night on dirt roads. Get a good map and follow Warm Springs Road out of Ketchum over Dollar Hide to South fork of the Boise. Come into Boise by Anderson Ranch Reservoir to Lucky Peak is one way.

    The Big Smokie is a long time classic 21 mile single track taken (with variation) from the Galena Summit to the south fork of the Boise.

    100% single track Ketchum to Boise might be doable with dirt road connectors.

    Getting to Atlanta is easy and a well sold Ketchum hot springs tour run by Western Spirit.

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    Has anybody done a ride from ketchum area to boise? I was looking at riding up baker creek road, then Norton creek. From there on I am not sure, but it looks like motorcycle trails connecting to big smoky creek. What are the roads like along the south fork boise river? What about trying to get to Atlanta, any routes there which would then allow a shorter route to boise down the middle fork?
    you really ought to have the Baumgartner North and South that I discussed two posts back. it would have every conceivable trail that you and your bike could travel from Ketchum towards Boise (most of the way.)
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    Stanley/Sawtooth/Whitecloud/SunValley Information Thread!

    Hey guys, if a group of 8-10 of us were planning a trip and needed to rent bikes, where is the best place?

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    When are you coming, what kind of riders are you and where are you looking to ride?
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    Hey guys, if a group of 8-10 of us were planning a trip and needed to rent bikes, where is the best place?
    Elephants Perch in Ketchum is your best bet fir good trail bikes, but 8-10 could be a push. Call & give them a good heads up.

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    Oops, sorry i left out a lot of important information. We're planning to come next summer but its best to look into this stuff ahead of time due to everyones work schedules. Rider wise, we went to Moab last year and did the Whole Enchilada and went to Vermont the year before that, so we're up for pretty much anything. Looking at the rentals that Elephants Perch has on their site, is a hardtail 29er the way to go for these trails?

    Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heath27 View Post
    Oops, sorry i left out a lot of important information. We're planning to come next summer but its best to look into this stuff ahead of time due to everyones work schedules. Rider wise, we went to Moab last year and did the Whole Enchilada and went to Vermont the year before that, so we're up for pretty much anything. Looking at the rentals that Elephants Perch has on their site, is a hardtail 29er the way to go for these trails?

    Thanks again
    Sun Valley/Ketchum and Stanley/Whiteclouds are two different areas separated by an hour or more of driving. Are you planning on both? Personally, I would want 5" of full squish for most of the trails near Stanley. Many of the trails closer to Ketchum are more buff and less primitive. Personal choice I guess.

    Sturdevants rents Scott, Santa Cruz, and Rocky Mountain. Rent Bikes - Sturtevants of Sun Valley
    $50/day isn't too bad and I bet they will negotiate a cheaper 1 week rate. At least they did for me when I broke my frame. Elephant's Perch has Specialized I think and you can rent or demo Turners at Pete Lanes in Sun Valley Resort. I think Backwoods has Cannondale.

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    Hey guys...thinking of coming down for memorial day. How are the trails holding up? lots of snow still?

    Any recommendations on things that are dry and good to go?

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    A couple of bike shop guys from CDA are coming down to Stanley the 10/11 of august to ride the boulder white clouds. Any of you locals up for a shuttle? Ants basin and castle divide are on our bucket list. Considering the latest development in the wilderness bill we feel our time could be short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDAUSA View Post
    A couple of bike shop guys from CDA are coming down to Stanley the 10/11 of august to ride the boulder white clouds. Any of you locals up for a shuttle? Ants basin and castle divide are on our bucket list. Considering the latest development in the wilderness bill we feel our time could be short.
    I don't know what CDA is, but I am coming from Bend, Or and will have a day next week to ride. I also want to hit ant's basin or castle divide. Know nothing of either (yet).

    Could possibly connect with you guys and help with shuttling?

    I was also looking for a shuttle option and/or even a guide potentially as I am coming off a serious MTB injury and probably shouldn't be riding alone in remote wilderness

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    Quote Originally Posted by sketchbook View Post
    I don't know what CDA is, but I am coming from Bend, Or and will have a day next week to ride. I also want to hit ant's basin or castle divide. Know nothing of either (yet).

    Could possibly connect with you guys and help with shuttling?

    I was also looking for a shuttle option and/or even a guide potentially as I am coming off a serious MTB injury and probably shouldn't be riding alone in remote wilderness
    We are traveling down on sunday morning (8/9). We are going to ride castle divide for sure on Monday . Antz basin is still up in the air. Castle divide/Livingston mill/little boulder creek is aprox 25 miles and about 3500 ft of climbing. If we decide to do this as a loop it will be closer to 35m and 6500ft of climbing. please text me if you would like to go. (662)380-0684 not sure where were camping yet(maybe redfish lake, Stanley lake, or Germania hot springs, which ever one is available.

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    Great, thanks for connecting CDAUSA. Look forward to riding with ya'all!

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    Has anyone ridden Waterfall Tr. out of Wildhorse Campground? From Trailcreek Rd to Copper Basin Rd. Wife wants to camp there with others and I can't find squat about the trail. Or anyother trails in the immediate area. Help is appreciated

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    Anyone ridden the Basin/Little Basin loop? Last I heard in June(?) was deadfall and some sizable trail erosion in spots. Any new reports? Good to go?

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    Give these folks a call:
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    probably a little smoky up there now and then.

    Or the Stanley office of the USFS:
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    Anyone ridden the middle fork of Warm Springs to red warrior in Sun Valley. Ridden south fork to red warrior which is an awesome ride, but looking to add a little extra.

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    NOt sure if this is the most appropriate place to post, but here goes:

    I just rode up Williams, then up Martin Creek, and down Big Casino. Martin Creek is a fairly brutal climb with plenty of hike-a-bike. It could use some serious chainsaw work as well. That being said, it was very pretty, especially up high. Big Casino never disappoints.

    There was one creek crossing in that lower meadow, right before you start climbing on Martin Creek, that was not crossable without getting wet. It was a very cold morning so we ended up sans shoes and socks and hefting our bikes through. It ended up about mid-thigh deep on my 6' frame. Made for some angry toes for the next 30 minutes or so.

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    Looks like a low snow year again this year and we're thinking of getting up to ride this area late June. Is it likely that many? some? of the more back country trails will still have lots of deadfall?

    Has Fisher Creek always been a jeep road climb? Always been such an iconic trail that I had heard about so was surprised to find it was a dirt road climb. Not a deal breaker at all (many of my favorite local trails start that way) if Williams Creek is a worthy descent. Just curious.
    We're mostly interested in a couple 15-20 mile back country type rides each day (this one neilether describes just above sounds good) but may also do some lift assist on Bald Mountain one day or maybe just an afternoon to rest our legs. Does Galena summit area have bike lift service?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Looks like a low snow year again this year and we're thinking of getting up to ride this area late June. Is it likely that many? some? of the more back country trails will still have lots of deadfall?

    Has Fisher Creek always been a jeep road climb? Always been such an iconic trail that I had heard about so was disappointed to find it was a dirt road climb. Not a deal breaker at all (many of my favorite local trails start that way) if Williams Creek is a worthy descent. Just curious.
    We're mostly interested in a couple 15-20 mile back country type rides each day (this one neilether describes just above sounds good) but may do some lift assist on Bald Mountain one day or maybe just an afternoon to rest our legs. Does Galena summit area have bike lift service?
    You will be able to do most/many of the bigger BC ride by month's end.

    Fisher Creek: was clear Saturday, then rain/wind, now windfall (burnt, dead sticks fall easier...). It will be cleared soon by the moto guys. Yeah, it's a dirt road climb for a bit, no big, loop it from Williams Creek parking lot. Plenty of singletrack and one of the most fast, fun (Williams) DH's on the planet. Go early, weekday, hit the bakery in Stanley after.

    Greenhorn, Red Warrior, Deer Creek drainages - all great BC type stuff, nothing overly rowdy. You can connect all of them for 10-50 miles if you want. Osberg's & Alden Gulch up north may be open (should be) - big rides, big payback. I take the Sturtevant's shuttle these days & ride 25 miles of singletrack to my house. Local Ketchum rides are also worthy - Oregon, Chocolate, Fox. The lunch + rides

    Galena worthy - remote-ish, good beer & food, super fun trail. Lifts? Hahahaha... ride Spring Creek from the high point (lots of up, hoot-holler DH)

    Baldy will likely be closed for lift access (COVID, and SV Company sucks). No worries, pedal up and hit the flow trails. Snow is melting...

    Please wear a mask in town & support our local business'. We were the highest per capita concentration in the US in March (including NYC) and have a tiny hospital. Visitors should play nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Looks like a low snow year again this year and we're thinking of getting up to ride this area late June. Is it likely that many? some? of the more back country trails will still have lots of deadfall?

    Has Fisher Creek always been a jeep road climb? Always been such an iconic trail that I had heard about so was disappointed to find it was a dirt road climb. Not a deal breaker at all (many of my favorite local trails start that way) if Williams Creek is a worthy descent. Just curious.
    We're mostly interested in a couple 15-20 mile back country type rides each day (this one neilether describes just above sounds good) but may do some lift assist on Bald Mountain one day or maybe just an afternoon to rest our legs. Does Galena summit area have bike lift service?
    Oops, almost forgot: https://summertrailink.bcrd.org/

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    Late June can be a crap shoot in Stanley/White Clouds with regard to the deadfall being cut out. I made the mistake once of not checking and riding up Boundary with the expectation of the fine descent on Little Casino and it turned into a sufferfest with dozens of trees to get over or around.

    Fisher Creek-Williams is definitely worthy but knowing you, that will only be an appetizer. Consider following that up with a loop around Redfish Lake. Or, if you have a shuttle a big backcountry ride would be Williams to Little Casino. Similar to what Nielether did above but Little Casino is a better downhill. Big Casino is fun but I found the endless rocks a bit tiresome and flow killing. It's a long drive around but Big Boulder-Little Boulder is another fantastic high country ride.

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    All good info redbarn. Thank you.
    We'll be camping and avoiding town for the most part but will bring masks for our forays into town for supplies.
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    I personally thought Fisher Creek was overrated....
    So much better riding to be had around there.
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    It was great for the finish of ants basin, otherwise I may agree. Literally the fastest i've ever gone on a mountain bike though, crazy crazy sightlines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Looks like a low snow year again this year and we're thinking of getting up to ride this area late June. Is it likely that many? some? of the more back country trails will still have lots of deadfall?

    Has Fisher Creek always been a jeep road climb? Always been such an iconic trail that I had heard about so was surprised to find it was a dirt road climb. Not a deal breaker at all (many of my favorite local trails start that way) if Williams Creek is a worthy descent. Just curious.
    We're mostly interested in a couple 15-20 mile back country type rides each day (this one neilether describes just above sounds good) but may also do some lift assist on Bald Mountain one day or maybe just an afternoon to rest our legs. Does Galena summit area have bike lift service?
    KRob, as a tourist to the area that had the exact same thing in mind last year - definitely gravitate more towards the stuff in Stanley and surrounding area. We were there early July and got boxed out of Big Casino by snow + deadfall but what we did sample up there was more rugged, rocky, and remote than what we found closer to Ketchum/Sun Valley. I can only imagine what that area was like before the wilderness designation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Late June can be a crap shoot in Stanley/White Clouds with regard to the deadfall being cut out. I made the mistake once of not checking and riding up Boundary with the expectation of the fine descent on Little Casino and it turned into a sufferfest with dozens of trees to get over or around.

    Fisher Creek-Williams is definitely worthy but knowing you, that will only be an appetizer. Consider following that up with a loop around Redfish Lake. Or, if you have a shuttle a big backcountry ride would be Williams to Little Casino. Similar to what Nielether did above but Little Casino is a better downhill. Big Casino is fun but I found the endless rocks a bit tiresome and flow killing. It's a long drive around but Big Boulder-Little Boulder is another fantastic high country ride.
    Thanks for the info Joe. I knew you’d been up there quite a bit and we like similar types of rides so was going to reach out for suggestions. I may still pick your brain as we get closer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Rock View Post
    KRob, as a tourist to the area that had the exact same thing in mind last year - definitely gravitate more towards the stuff in Stanley and surrounding area. We were there early July and got boxed out of Big Casino by snow + deadfall but what we did sample up there was more rugged, rocky, and remote than what we found closer to Ketchum/Sun Valley. I can only imagine what that area was like before the wilderness designation.
    So you’re saying the trails up closer to Stanley are more remote and rocky, but they may be more likely to have lots of deadfall?


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    That was exactly my experience, yes. Although I heard about a week after we were there the motos cleared out a bunch of the deadfall.

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    So you’re saying the trails up closer to Stanley are more remote and rocky, but they may be more likely to have lots of deadfall?


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    Unfortunately, the Sawtooth/White Clouds basin riding suffered after the (contentious/bullshit) wilderness designation. We lost the Castle divide loop and Ants - 2 of the best rides of all time - and now they are solid dead-fall and shit trails due to zero maintenance. Nice views and hiking though. I think where the Sawtooth basin really wins is in views, hiking/BC skiing and camp spots. And fewer Sun Valley glitterati, of course. Actual riding (for those not interested in observed trials, or packing 450cc), less so.

    There are now ~3-4 solid rides up there IMHO, but the trail maintenance is 100% individuals & entirely word-of-mouth. Boundary/Sunny/Little Casino variants (Big Casino is a nice hike), Prospect/Sunday/Basin variants, and Fisher (the "date" ride) are good bets for pretty clear trails before August. I prefer to actually ride my (6") bike, not shoulder it for long stretches, so take that as you will. And we call Redfish the "break-up" ride for further perspective.

    South of Galena pass things are a bit more organized. WRTC https://woodrivertrailscoalition.org/ is an amazing crew, along with the BCRD. And there are still PLENTY of epic/adventure rides (likewise relying on individual trail work). Norton-Prairie, Osbergs-Alden, Pioneer cabin-Johnstone, and maybe South Fork Warm Springs are good examples of "outer ring" rides that easily match the views/gnar status of the Sawtooth valley rides. You can even split the valleys & ride (Salmon headwaters) Big Smokey-Mule Creek loop for some true Idaho gristle (bring tire boots and lots of food).

    Want an epic photo ride? Osbergs-Fox Peak, Pio Cabin-Johnstone or Boundary-Little Casino (shorter) are good picks. Want a bit more prepared trails with "natural" flow and a beer after? Galena rules. Killer 2 hour ride? Adams Gulch or Greenhorn-Imperial. Local's best day? Powerhouse in Hailey, after looping Wolftone-Curran-Deer Creek (start in Greenhorn for ironman bonus points).

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    Gotta protect the White Clouds from the users that took care of it. Makes a lot of sense?

    Krob, if you've got 6 or 7 hours a loop with Corral, Pioneer Cabin-Johnstone Creek-Bear Gulch-Parker Gulch is pretty hard to beat. Top 10 kinda ride for me. Also, Wolftone-Curran was a favorite but I haven't ridden it since the fire.

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    Spectacular photo! It's taken from the Basin Butte lookout road while still in the Anderson creek drainage.
    If you want to see the million dollar view, continue up the road to the lookout. If you are on a bike, you can continue across the top of the butte north a mile to the next saddle, where Prospect creek is a great ride, or you can continue further 5 miles to Hindman lake and drop into Basin creek, or further yet and drop into West Fork of Yankee Fork.
    Instead of the Basin Butte road, you can also ride up East Fork of Valley creek to get to Basin Butte.
    Fire in the area 8 years ago cooked off a lot of the country in this area. Downed trees are the riders scourge, so check in Stanley at the bike shop (River Wear) for the latest before you head this way.
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    I've got approval for a couple PTO days before the 4th weekend and SV / Stanley area popped into my head as a possible destination. A bit far for 5 days but I've done it before... will be watching this thread re conditions.

    I'd be leery of downed trees during early season as well. My last trip was right before wilderness signs went up. I rode Ants to Warm Springs, ending down Robertson Creek (?? Its marked lower Warm Springs on trailforks) which the people I was with had "heard" had been cut out. Wrong. Hauled bikes over 200+ trees on the descent. Bummer to hear about the lack of mtce on Ants and Livingston Mill/Castle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    I've got approval for a couple PTO days before the 4th weekend and SV / Stanley area popped into my head as a possible destination. A bit far for 5 days but I've done it before... will be watching this thread re conditions.

    I'd be leery of downed trees during early season as well. My last trip was right before wilderness signs went up. I rode Ants to Warm Springs, ending down Robertson Creek (?? Its marked lower Warm Springs on trailforks) which the people I was with had "heard" had been cut out. Wrong. Hauled bikes over 200+ trees on the descent. Bummer to hear about the lack of mtce on Ants and Livingston Mill/Castle.
    It's totally worth it, just do it. Just about all the trails around SV are dry and cut out, and the riding is freakin' fantastic. I've been here the last two weeks and have ridden most everything on this side of Galena Pass (plus Fisher Creek up north), and the dirt has varied from all-time to dry and dusty. Rode Osberg Ridge this morning and it was in great shape, and totally clear to the turn off onto Alden Gulch (we dropped down there, didn't go further).

    I heard that some of the stuff up north of Fisher Creek like Big/Little Casino still has a ton of trees down (we tried to ride Pigtail off Fisher Creek, but there were 10 trees down in the first 1/4 mile), so I don't think you'd get much mileage in up there. But plenty to ride here in SV, and the trails- and town- are empty.

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    Krob, if you've got 6 or 7 hours a loop with Corral, Pioneer Cabin-Johnstone Creek-Bear Gulch-Parker Gulch is pretty hard to beat. Top 10 kinda ride for me. Also, Wolftone-Curran was a favorite but I haven't ridden it since the fire.
    Oh yeah, that looks like my kind of jam. Do you loop that from town or drop a vehicle at the end of Parker then drive back over to the bottom of Corral Creek? Also do you connect Corral to Pioneer Cabin via the FS Rd 137? It doesn’t show a trail connecting the two on Trail Forks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Oh yeah, that looks like my kind of jam. Do you loop that from town or drop a vehicle at the end of Parker then drive back over to the bottom of Corral Creek? Also do you connect Corral to Pioneer Cabin via the FS Rd 137? It doesn’t show a trail connecting the two on Trail Forks.


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    I loop it from Elkhorn using the bike path and then out Fairway Rd to the end. Drop down and then get on Corral. And yes, you've got to spin a mile or so up 137 to the TH. Pioneer is stiff and for most mortals there will be some HAB. The backcoutry feel, views of the Pioneers, and quality of the descending is what sets this one apart for me.

    A good recovery ride or 2nd ride is Curly's. Folks that don't want to ride can hang out at the hot springs and E. Fork Baker Creek Rd is an easy climb.

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    I loop it from Elkhorn using the bike path and then out Fairway Rd to the end. Drop down and then get on Corral. And yes, you've got to spin a mile or so up 137 to the TH. Pioneer is stiff and for most mortals there will be some HAB. The backcoutry feel, views of the Pioneers, and quality of the descending is what sets this one apart for me.

    A good recovery ride or 2nd ride is Curly's. Folks that don't want to ride can hang out at the hot springs and E. Fork Baker Creek Rd is an easy climb.
    Yep, I noticed that. Almost 2600’ in 3.5 miles is a pretty stiff climb.

    Have you ever gone around Long Gulch instead? Longer but the same amount of climbing (so more gradual),plus you get about a mile of descending Pioneer Cabin at the end. Not as interesting?

    Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll check out Curly’s too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    I've got approval for a couple PTO days before the 4th weekend and SV / Stanley area popped into my head as a possible destination. A bit far for 5 days but I've done it before... will be watching this thread re conditions.

    I'd be leery of downed trees during early season as well. My last trip was right before wilderness signs went up. I rode Ants to Warm Springs, ending down Robertson Creek (?? Its marked lower Warm Springs on trailforks) which the people I was with had "heard" had been cut out. Wrong. Hauled bikes over 200+ trees on the descent. Bummer to hear about the lack of mtce on Ants and Livingston Mill/Castle.
    If you decide to come down to SV/Stanley and want to ride, Evdog, let me know. We'll be up there 24-28th

    Yeah all the trails in the backcountry loop that Rockman recommended (Pioneer Cabin, Johnstone, Bear, and Parker Gulch) are all showing partially cleared on this (very helpful) site smmokan shared. Anyone have any more up to date beta on these trails?
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    I've been here the last two weeks and have ridden most everything on this side of Galena Pass (plus Fisher Creek up north), and the dirt has varied from all-time to dry and dusty. Rode Osberg Ridge this morning and it was in great shape, and totally clear to the turn off onto Alden Gulch (we dropped down there, didn't go further).


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    Good to hear smmokan. Thanks for the on-the-ground trails update. You didn't happen to venture up Pioneer Cabin-Johnstone Creek-Bear Gulch-Parker Gulch area did you. Sounds like an epic loop, but I'm concerned about bunches of downed trees. Like I told evdog, the summertraillink is showing those all partially open/cleared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Yep, I noticed that. Almost 2600’ in 3.5 miles is a pretty stiff climb.

    Have you ever gone around Long Gulch instead? Longer but the same amount of climbing (so more gradual),plus you get about a mile of descending Pioneer Cabin at the end. Not as interesting?

    Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll check out Curly’s too.


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    Pioneer Cabin-Johnstone Creek-Bear Gulch-Parker Gulch:

    From Ketchum (anywhere), ride out Trail Creek/Sun Valley road (bike path), past the golf course to Boundary campground, from the trailhead there, follow NE to a small bridge across the creek, up and left onto Corral Creek trail, which ends on Corral Creek road (NF-137). To be honest, I usually just ride the road for expediency. Corral Creek is my gravel bike ride .

    Avoid Long Gulch - it sucks by almost any (cycling / hiking) measure. Good drainage to get yer elk though...

    Up the road to the road's end trailhead, over another little bridge, then CLIMB. The right to Johnstone is well marked, but a few K's from the cabin, so ride out to the cabin for the photo opps. Then back to Johnstone (now a left) and over hill & dale with insane Pioneer views of Hyndman & Cobb. A few traverses & fun drops later, your on another road (road 203), hang a right & ride about 2 K's to another right, at the next drainage - Bear Gulch. Ride thru the willows (look for sheep and mean-ass dogs), onto the ridge, then experience the true shit of perfectly straight, steep AF, featureless suffering. Top out at the saddle, bomb down Parker gulch (uninspiring, but OK), and you are now in Elkhorn. Follow the roads out (right again), past Dollar ski area and back to Ketchum. Eat food, drink beverages.

    Done this a couple dozen times, it's lovely, and this is the local's method. TBH, I generally skip Bear-Parker these days, as it's kind of underwhleming (and punishing) after an otherwise awesome ride. It does complete the loop without a lot of road & bike paths tho...

    So yeah, do that ride, but save some fun tickets for Osbergs-Fox Peak-Adams-Ketchum. 25 miles of continuous singletrack all the way to Ketchum . It's a better ride overall. Sturtevant's runs the pink shuttle van if you dont fell like riding 20 mies of gravel...

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    Pioneer Cabin-Johnstone Creek-Bear Gulch-Parker Gulch:

    From Ketchum (anywhere), ride out Trail Creek/Sun Valley road (bike path), past the golf course to Boundary campground, from the trailhead there, follow NE to a small bridge across the creek, up and left onto Corral Creek trail, which ends on Corral Creek road (NF-137). To be honest, I usually just ride the road for expediency. Corral Creek is my gravel bike ride .

    Avoid Long Gulch - it sucks by almost any (cycling / hiking) measure. Good drainage to get yer elk though...

    Up the road to the road's end trailhead, over another little bridge, then CLIMB. The right to Johnstone is well marked, but a few K's from the cabin, so ride out to the cabin for the photo opps. Then back to Johnstone (now a left) and over hill & dale with insane Pioneer views of Hyndman & Cobb. A few traverses & fun drops later, your on another road (road 203), hang a right & ride about 2 K's to another right, at the next drainage - Bear Gulch. Ride thru the willows (look for sheep and mean-ass dogs), onto the ridge, then experience the true shit of perfectly straight, steep AF, featureless suffering. Top out at the saddle, bomb down Parker gulch (uninspiring, but OK), and you are now in Elkhorn. Follow the roads out (right again), past Dollar ski area and back to Ketchum. Eat food, drink beverages.

    Done this a couple dozen times, it's lovely, and this is the local's method. TBH, I generally skip Bear-Parker these days, as it's kind of underwhleming (and punishing) after an otherwise awesome ride. It does complete the loop without a lot of road & bike paths tho...

    So yeah, do that ride, but save some fun tickets for Osbergs-Fox Peak-Adams-Ketchum. 25 miles of continuous singletrack all the way to Ketchum . It's a better ride overall. Sturtevant's runs the pink shuttle van if you dont fell like riding 20 mies of gravel...
    Thanks for the local knowledge. Do you know if Pioneer/Johnstone has been cleared yet this spring?

    So if you don’t do Bear/Parker do you just ride Hyndman Rd To East Fork Rd back into town? Are those dirt or paved? Mostly descending? Would it be practical to drop a truck at the end of Johnstone instead? We’ll have two vehicles.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Thanks for the local knowledge. Do you know if Pioneer/Johnstone has been cleared yet this spring?

    So if you don’t do Bear/Parker do you just ride Hyndman Rd To East Fork Rd back into town? Are those dirt or paved? Mostly descending? Would it be practical to drop a truck at the end of Johnstone instead? We’ll have two vehicles.


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    I've been told Pio Cabin is clear save some snow patches. Tons of hikers out there right now. Johnstone should be clear of windfall over the traverse, since there are very few trees. I would expect minor snow patches in the few shady fells, but those will be gone soon. Should be good to go, maybe a log-hop or two.

    If you don't ride Bear-Parker, the option is to ride it out East fork road to the bike path and back to Ketchum. Long ride, also sub-optimal, may as well loop it and have that badge of honor . If you're torched though, the dirt road, to paved road ride, to bike path out is rolling down to flat for the most part.

    If you dropped a rig, I'd leave it at one of the dispersed camp areas/view spots along RD-203 (it's Idaho, drop it anywhere you damn well please). Fill it with beer, though, because the views of Hyndman & Cobb make a nice backdrop.

    And again, if you're not planning Osberg's to Ketchum, you'll miss one of our very best high country rides, or anywhere... That one can be ridden sans public shuttle by dropping a car at the Baker Creek lot on Hwy 75. You then need to grovel out Baker Creek road (about 1500' of climbing) before starting up Lost Shirt to Osberg's. Once you gain the ridge, it's up & down forever, until it's all down into Ketchum. Not gonna lie - it's a big, big pedaling day. Drive car 2 back up and get car 1 after you've soaked in the river behind Big Wood Church & fed at La Cabanita or Leftys. I probably have a GPX if you need, but it's very straightforward.

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    Or better yet, if you're camping anyway: there is a nice campground at the end of the Alden gulch trail, on Baker Creek rd (about 3-4 miles out the dirt). Could be full, since tourists have been packing in lately, so check FS sites (?).

    That would cut off some of the road climb, and all you'd need is a car in Ketchum to get back (say, parked at the aforementioned Big Wood church). Alden Gulch is also a worthy little flowy descent...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    If you decide to come down to SV/Stanley and want to ride, Evdog, let me know. We'll be up there 24-28th
    Bummer, the days I have off are July 1, 2, 3 plus that weekend. Taking notes on rides to do if I end up going that direction. smmokan's posts are helping! Durango, Sierras and New Mexico were also under consideration. Sounds like Durango high country isn't fully open yet so that may be out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    Bummer, the days I have off are July 1, 2, 3 plus that weekend. Taking notes on rides to do if I end up going that direction. smmokan's posts are helping! Durango, Sierras and New Mexico were also under consideration. Sounds like Durango high country isn't fully open yet so that may be out.
    Oh gotcha. I misread your post. I was thinking you were talking about the fourth weekend of June not the weekend of the Fourth of July. Ha ha. Yeah we also were considering Downieville and the Lost Sierras area for our trip. I never have done Durango or New Mexico Rockies (South Boundary Trail etc), so that's on my list as well.

    I'll relay any beta we gather from our Sun Valley trip after we return. We've decided to stay on the SV side of Galena and not venture up to Stanley this time. With only three and a half days to ride there's plenty (and more) to cover just around Sun Valley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbarn View Post
    Or better yet, if you're camping anyway: there is a nice campground at the end of the Alden gulch trail, on Baker Creek rd (about 3-4 miles out the dirt). Could be full, since tourists have been packing in lately, so check FS sites (?).

    That would cut off some of the road climb, and all you'd need is a car in Ketchum to get back (say, parked at the aforementioned Big Wood church). Alden Gulch is also a worthy little flowy descent...
    Good stuff. Thanks for all the suggestions redbarn. One big backcountry day is about all I’ll be able to coax my buddy into so will have to choose.


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    How far can you drive down the Osberg Ridge “Traill”? We drove up East Fork Baker Creek road to the Oregon Gulch trail last night and want to shuttle Aldan Gulch tonight or tomorrow.


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    Fischer Creek to Williams Creek was clear when we rode it on Monday. Not a single down tree the entire way. Dirt was dry. Great ride!

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    How far can you drive down the Osberg Ridge “Traill”? We drove up East Fork Baker Creek road to the Oregon Gulch trail last night and want to shuttle Aldan Gulch tonight or tomorrow.


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    Check the digi-map, Osbergs starts at the END of Baker Crk road (not East Fork of Baker). Great way to ride it is to start at the bottom of Alden, ride out the road, left on Osberg, then another left on Alden back to loop it.

    The East Fork road climb is a faster way to Alden, not as good/cool. it is shuttle friendly though...

    It is going off right now, lupine about to pop. I broke my scapula & 4 ribs there last Saturday :/, but you're welcome to follow my 60 yr old wife up tomorrow (she will wait for everyone on top )

    Highly recommend Osberg-Alden loop. It is the best it gets right now. PM me if unclear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    How far can you drive down the Osberg Ridge “Traill”? We drove up East Fork Baker Creek road to the Oregon Gulch trail last night and want to shuttle Aldan Gulch tonight or tomorrow.


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    And... Osberg is singletrack, no driving on it possible. RD168 (east fork) goes a few miles past Oregon gulch (edge of the world) and dead ends. About a mile past Orgeon is Fox peak connector, which will T with Osbergs.

    End of RD162 (main Baker creek rd) is a parking lot where Osbergs starts (left). Lot will be full of hikers, but the trail will be empty. Climbs to just under 10K, mostly all descent to the bottom of Alden. Much better this way!

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    Stanley/Sawtooth/Whitecloud/SunValley Information Thread!

    Thanks. Yes, Alden was fantastic. We dropped a car at the bottom then drove up to the end of East Fork road. Then rode across Osberg Ridge trail to the top of Alden.

    This all after 8:00 pm and after our Pio/Johnstone/Bear/Parker ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redbarn View Post

    End of RD162 (main Baker creek rd) is a parking lot where Osbergs starts (left). Lot will be full of hikers, but the trail will be empty. Climbs to just under 10K, mostly all descent to the bottom of Alden. Much better this way!
    Oh, I hadn’t noticed that the main Baker Creek road went clear to the start of Osberg. That would’ve made a Castle Creek shuttle more doable. Only 1.4 miles up Osberg to the start of Castle Creek. Long drive for shuttle drop off and retrieval though.

    The full Osberg Ridge trail got nixed by my buddy. He’s not a big fan of long ridgeline trails with lots of ups and downs.


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    How was the rest of the trip KRob? Any trails you found with poor conditions? Favorites?

    I'm leaving here Tuesday night, will ride somewhere along the way Weds, then have Th/Fri/Sat in Sun Valley. Looking at Pioneer/Johnstone/bear/Parker one day, Osberg-Oregon/Adams-town another, then maybe something down in the Greenhorns Saturday.

    Google maps is telling me the drive will be an hour faster up secondary highways from Vegas through Ely and Twin Falls. Are you able to ride Wednesday or Sunday? I'd been planning to hit something in SLC area but may drive the NV route one of the days. How are those NV highways - slow? Fast? Lots of cops?

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    How was the rest of the trip KRob? Any trails you found with poor conditions? Favorites?

    I'm leaving here Tuesday night, will ride somewhere along the way Weds, then have Th/Fri/Sat in Sun Valley. Looking at Pioneer/Johnstone/bear/Parker one day, Osberg-Oregon/Adams-town another, then maybe something down in the Greenhorns Saturday.

    Google maps is telling me the drive will be an hour faster up secondary highways from Vegas through Ely and Twin Falls. Are you able to ride Wednesday or Sunday? I'd been planning to hit something in SLC area but may drive the NV route one of the days. How are those NV highways - slow? Fast? Lots of cops?
    Trip was great. We loved all those plus we really enjoyed Eve’s Gulch and Forbidden Fruit. Did it as an Up and back. Trails were all in good shape no dead fall on any trails we did. The storm yesterday and today may change that.

    I would much rather drive up 93 through Ely than take the soulless I-15. Be sure and take the 318 cut off through Hiko and Lund. Speed limit is 70 the whole way and as long as you’re under 80 the NHP will rarely bat an eyelash. Keep it under 75 within 5-10 miles of any towns.

    If you make it as far as Ely Tuesday night, we could ride Wednesday morning early. I’d also be available Wednesday evening. Not available to ride Sunday.


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    The main reason to go I-15 were some rides I want to do in SLC area. It'll be night time driving beyond Vegas so unfortunately I won't benefit much from new scenery.

    But there It would be awesome to ride with you in Ely, and should be doable. I'll send you PM and see if we can make this happen

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    First backcountry ride since a serious crash in early July laid me up for the next three months, I decided to see how far I could get riding Fisher/Williams in from the bottom in the opposite direction most people ride it. The 2 1/2 mile pavement start and the following 6 miles of Fisher creek road that is the normal start wasn't in my itinerary yet, so off I went up and over into Williams creek.
    The day was gray, with weather threatening, but was much better than the smoke that had inundated the Sawtooth valley for weeks on end. At last a good ride day and I wasn't going to let it slip away.

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    Sawtooths from Salmon river/Warm Springs divide at top of Williams creek
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    WhiteClouds from same divide looking into Warm Springs country
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    Williams creek crossing at bottom of long downhill the ride is famous for

    Hopefully, the first of many to come.
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    A week after my first ride back, the smoke cleared for another opportunity to ride somewhere in the valley, so this time I decided to give Little Basin creek a shout out. First I needed to find out if it was cleared, so I called RiverWear in Stanley and they didn't know. So I set off to find out for myself. For those who don't know, the Halstead fire in 2012 laid waste to hundreds of square miles in the country north of Stanley where this trail is located.
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    One mile up Stanley creek, nice green forest
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    Soon the green turns to standing dead with loads of downfall
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    The Little Basin creek meadow complex surrounded by standing dead on all sides
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    Winter avalanche slide path through the standing dead into Little Basin creek narrows
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    Avalanche debris across trail someone was nice enough to have cleared - 100 feet of jumbled dog hair

    So the trail was clear except for a tree or two, but considering the debris at the bottom of that slide, I lucked out and was able to complete the ride.
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    Yeah, rode it Labor Day week. No downed trees then. Had some rain so conditions were very good. Did you happen to ride Basin& Swamp? Love those trails, but wondering what the fire did to that area? Looked to have burned to Martin Lake?

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    Do you mean Swamp creek--Marten lake--Trap creek? If so, that area is currently closed for another roadside fire, the Trap fire .
    And if you mean Basin creek, I only rode the part that is in the Little Basin creek/Kelly creek loop.
    In the last ten years there have been numerous fires along both Highway 21 west of Stanley and Highway 75 south of Stanley, not to mention the two biggest, the Halstead fire and the Pole creek fire that are both responsible for burning over many of the good rides in the area.
    Two that haven't burned yet are Big and Little Casino.
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    Haven't been here in a while obviously. Yes, Trap/Swamp Loop. We loop it by riding down 21. Info for all posting here. The TVTMA (Treasure Valley Trail Machine) motos starts clearing from Bull Trout to Elk Meadows incl. Trap/Swamp a few days before the 4th of July for a week to 10 days. So around the 4th most trails in the 21 corridor should be clear. We where there for 2 wks before and after Labor Day. The fire started a week or so after we left. We camp at Valley Crk so I'm sick about the fire. Oh well I guess. Seems to be a big fire every season anymore. East Valley fire was bad the first few yrs since the fire, but now rides really well. Shuttling Bench above Bull Trout, across the hiway and down to either Swamp or Trap is a bitchen ride also. My favorite area to ride for sure. Hope all are well in these crazy times!

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    I just rode what I think you are referring to as East Valley fire a couple weeks ago: Upper Valley creek and over to and out Knapp creek. Complete fire devastation for a lot of the ride.

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    Last vestige of green a mile up Valley creek from trailhead

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    Further in scenery change from 2012 Halstead fire devastation

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    (Frank Church Wilderness, with Knapp and Cabin creek peak, near indistinguishable, in far background)
    After crossing over a low divide in the foreground from Valley creek....

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    ...I begin my long haul out Knapp creek on what has now become an ATV/four-wheeler trail

    Two other trails that are in the area - East Valley creek and Prospect creek further up Valley creek - that take you up to and over Basin Butte used to be some great riding. Since the fire in 2012 I haven't heard of anybody riding them.
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    Had to re-read my post. I meant E Valley Crk Tr. Cross the road and drop into Little Basin. We loop E Valley Crk Tr to the road, hang a left and head up till you see a road to the left. Take it and ride about 1/3 mi and look for an unmarked trail to the left. Loops back around to E V C Tr. Not far from where we camp to works well as a filler day. I camp w dirtbikers who some ride mtb w me and they say Prospect is not that good anymore, so I haven't checked it out. Maybe?

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    On the last day of October, a couple days after the Valley creek/Knapp creek ride I went to Redfish lake and rode the Grand Mogul trail up and back from Sockeye campground on the south side of the lake.

    I'd been to the same destination a couple weeks earlier up Bull Moose creek, from the Decker Flat side of the Redfish moraine that both trails ascend. That trail was a PITA. Big push straight up at the end, a meadow so rough I walked my bike for at least a quarter mile, and when you arrive at the top, there you are on your bike in the Wilderness area.
    To get back to my car, I descended the Grand Mogul trail for a couple miles, and then took a right down Redfish Ridge trail back to Decker Flat. That trail was pretty flat and would be another good way to ascend the Redfish moraine.

    This second ride from Redfish lake into the edge of the Wilderness was a much more pleasant ride, even after pushing for what seemed like a mile - trail I used to ride twenty years ago. At 70 I don't mind pushing to get me there.
    The descent back to Sockeye campground/TH was definitely a 5 star gas. Plenty of rocks, some tree roots and some wild, hairy corners (that I had pushed up through.)

    The Grand Mogul peak directly above the forested point (Point campground) just beyond the Redfish dock. The GM trail ascends the moraine on the left and follows it into the mountains.
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    View up Redfish canyon, classic U-shaped glacier carved canyon - Mount Heyburn on the right.
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    Looking back at Point campground and Redfish lodge - distant point of land and sandy beach directly beyond. Frank Church Wilderness mountains north of Stanley in the background (Cabin creek peak, Knapp peak, Mt. Jordan, etc.)
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