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    Sorry, time for a serious thread that actually involves mountain biking

    If you have any interest in the Wilderness issue, don't forget to watch IPTV's "Outdoor Idaho" and "Dialogue" tomorrow night. Looks like they are showing state-wide, back to back at 8 PM on non-HD and then at 9 PM on HD.

    Here's the linky to the Outdoor Idaho show on "Wilderness in the 21st Century." http://idahoptv.org/outdoors/oi_stories.cfm

    And another linky-poo: http://idahoptv.org/productions/

    Here's the linkity-link to the Dialogue program: http://idahoptv.org/dialogue/diaShow...rsionID=216330

    The good - Outdoor Idaho actually sought out the unique perspective of mountain bikers on this sensitive issue. We'll see how much of those views are included in the program.

    The bad - Dialogue, on the other hand, did not see it necessary to invite anyone to represent the unique views of mountain bikers. Rather, Dialogue will be hosting two paid Wilderness advocates (the usual suspects from the ICL and TWS), a representative of the USFS, and a representative of the primary opponent of CIEDRA, the Idaho Recreation Council.

    But, while we are not represented on Dialogue, you can email your questions to Dialogue beforehand at [email protected]rg.

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    Thx for posting

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    You can also call in during the live airing tonight (8:30 PM Mountain Time) at 1-800-973-9800.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    You can also call in during the live airing tonight (8:30 PM Mountain Time) at 1-800-973-9800.
    Yer gonna git robocalls from the Tea Bags tellin you to shoot wolves from helicopters.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    If you have any interest in the Wilderness issue, don't forget to watch IPTV's "Outdoor Idaho" and "Dialogue" tomorrow night. Looks like they are showing state-wide, back to back at 8 PM on non-HD and then at 9 PM on HD.

    Here's the linky to the Outdoor Idaho show on "Wilderness in the 21st Century." http://idahoptv.org/outdoors/oi_stories.cfm

    And another linky-poo: http://idahoptv.org/productions/

    Here's the linkity-link to the Dialogue program: http://idahoptv.org/dialogue/diaShow...rsionID=216330

    The good - Outdoor Idaho actually sought out the unique perspective of mountain bikers on this sensitive issue. We'll see how much of those views are included in the program.

    The bad - Dialogue, on the other hand, did not see it necessary to invite anyone to represent the unique views of mountain bikers. Rather, Dialogue will be hosting two paid Wilderness advocates (the usual suspects from the ICL and TWS), a representative of the USFS, and a representative of the primary opponent of CIEDRA, the Idaho Recreation Council.

    But, while we are not represented on Dialogue, you can email your questions to Dialogue beforehand at [email protected].

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    Was it sheep salad while riding your fixie with your retro hipster gangsta friends?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    You can also call in during the live airing tonight (8:30 PM Mountain Time) at 1-800-973-9800.
    Yes, call serious poop!
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    Dude, you had me at midgets.

    Alas, there were no wild midgets or backcountry salads on the shows, but there were some sheep. I'm not a big fan of sheep. Wool makes me itch. But, I do understand that it is very hip to ride your CX bike whilst wearing manpris and a $300 wool jersey.

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    Anyone record this? Sorry to have missed it.
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    Can Smiley post a link to the DVD from Idaho Public T.V on the White Clouds shot a few years ago?

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    The dialogue show can be found on the pbs website. The outdoor idaho show is only available on DVD. I do have a copy if any would like to borrow it.
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    I caught some of Dialog the other night. I thought the moderator did a good job of pushing the mountain bike question.

    Most amazing moment of the night was John McCarthy talking about how the intent of wilderness was to return the experience to that of the mountain man. WTF? Nylon tents, cell phones, msr stoves, does he want to ban all that too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panchosdad

    Most amazing moment of the night was John McCarthy talking about how the intent of wilderness was to return the experience to that of the mountain man. WTF? Nylon tents, cell phones, msr stoves, does he want to ban all that too?
    plenty of contradictions...

    when asked about mtn bikes being allowed in wilderness...he essentially said that he rode mtn bikes...but he (I) have no desire to mtn bike in wilderness.

    just words...

    meanwhile...not addressing the question from "geoff".....and the moderator which was. why some exceptions..and not others. why not mtn. bikes?
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    Yeah, mountain men with airplanes

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    Marcia called McCarthy out on his BS not once, but twice. I loved the "mountain bikes are too fast for wilderness" comment. That you're supposed to experience Wilderness "slowly." Really? Where's that in the 1964 Act? These Wilderness advocates get nuttier and more ridiculous the more they talk.

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    A Henry Rollins-lite spokesmodel dressed like Daisy Duke and a neon polychrome guidebook scraper strutting as the pontiffs of velowilderness? On PBS? I don't think so. Who *isn't* on PBS anymore?

    What ever happened to good old fashioned community access television? As soon as this Internet fad blows over and the YouTube dries up and its skeletal remains blow away like so much dustbowl detritus, we'll have more time to bish-slap the teabaggers with rubber copies of the Constitution. Then the real fun will start.

    Five years ago the spew was "singletrack is our church". That was the last generation. This generation is no less soft it seems. Five years from now, after he gets his GED and gets a couple of CWI communications classes under his belt, BoiseBoy will be the next attention whore spraying on Idaho Pubic TV and wishing he knew Marcia Franklin a little better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    These Wilderness advocates get nuttier and more ridiculous the more they talk.

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    I saw this quote from our own former Senator Frank Church and his feelings about recreating in Wilderness:

    "As the floor manager of the 1964 Wilderness Act, I recall quite clearly what we were trying to accomplish by setting up the National Wilderness Preservation System. It was never the intent of Congress that wilderness be managed in so 'pure' a fashion as to needlessly restrict customary public use and enjoyment. Quite the contrary, Congress fully intended that wilderness should be managed to allow its use by a wide spectrum of Americans.

    "I believe . . . that the agencies are applying provisions of the Wilderness Act too strictly and thus misconstruing the intent of Congress as to how these areas should be managed.

    "Such policies are misguided. If Congress had intended that wilderness be administered in so stringent a manner we would never have written the law as we did. We wouldn't have excluded condemnation as the means for forcibly acquiring developed ranches within the wilderness areas. We wouldn't have provided for the continuation of nonconforming uses where they were established—including the use of motor boats in the part of the Boundary Waters Canoe Area and the use of airfields in the primitive areas here in Idaho. As these examples clearly demonstrate, it was not the intent of Congress that wilderness be administered in so pure a fashion as to needlessly restrict its customary public use and enjoyment. Quite the contrary, Congress fully intended that wilderness be managed to allow its use by a wide spectrum of Americans."

    And that includes mountain bikers.

    He was just sayin, you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obrianmcc
    Note that the IRC Steering Committee lacks any designee from the non-motorized mountain biking community.

    Here's some yahoo who blabbers on and on about Wilderness and mountain bikes. It would be nice to have some greater support for this idea.

    http://idahoptv.org/outdoors/shows/w...tury/Baker.cfm

    And here's a grassroots group that is trying to gain some support.

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/WildernessB

    And if you get off on reading legal schtuff, here's something to mull over.

    http://www.imba.com/resources/land-p...legal-analysis

    And here's a way you can vote to show your support.

    http://ideas.usda.gov/ago/ideas.nsf/...B?opendocument

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Marcia called McCarthy out on his BS not once, but twice. I loved the "mountain bikes are too fast for wilderness" comment. That you're supposed to experience Wilderness "slowly." Really? Where's that in the 1964 Act? These Wilderness advocates get nuttier and more ridiculous the more they talk.
    That's the argument that worked here in MT and knocked out a bunch of trails in the Gallatin NF. Clearly trail running should be eliminated as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Here's some yahoo who blabbers on and on about Wilderness and mountain bikes. It would be nice to have some greater support for this idea.

    http://idahoptv.org/outdoors/shows/w...tury/Baker.cfm
    the brass ring is getting mountain bikes out of that mechanized definition
    Man, it doesn't happen often, but I am glad when I can zero in on the simple core issues.

    1. Are there any organized attempts at tackling this? It doesn't sound like it?
    2. Were you at the SWIMBA meeting on Saturday night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    Man, it doesn't happen often, but I am glad when I can zero in on the simple core issues.

    1. Are there any organized attempts at tackling this? It doesn't sound like it?
    2. Were you at the SWIMBA meeting on Saturday night?
    1. Not that I know of. IMBA has some resources on their website (http://www.imba.com/resources/land-p...derness-guide), but I think their focus is more on collaborating with Wilderness proponents to gain access corridors for trails in proposed Wilderness areas.

    Jim Hasenauer, the former President of IMBA, has a blog (can't find it right now) that touches on this topic, but there's no "organized movement." "Wilderness B" on Facebook is trying to gauge interest in a similar concept (alternate or "new" Wilderness designation that provides Wilderness-level protection, but allows bikes.)

    2. Briefly. Enough to get a couple of free beers, some slices, and fondle TFloyd's backside. Big groups of mountain bikers - whether on the trail or not - give me the willies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    1. Not that I know of. IMBA has some resources on their website (http://www.imba.com/resources/land-p...derness-guide), but I think their focus is more on collaborating with Wilderness proponents to gain access corridors for trails in proposed Wilderness areas.

    Jim Hasenauer, the former President of IMBA, has a blog (can't find it right now) that touches on this topic, but there's no "organized movement." "Wilderness B" on Facebook is trying to gauge interest in a similar concept (alternate or "new" Wilderness designation that provides Wilderness-level protection, but allows bikes.)

    2. Briefly. Enough to get a couple of free beers, some slices, and fondle TFloyd's backside. Big groups of mountain bikers - whether on the trail or not - give me the willies.
    1. Cool. Thanks for the info.
    2. I keep running into pics of you in groups of MTBrs. Not big groups though. I was there for about an hour 7~8.

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    As a clearing house for this topic: www.gsmba.org

    See also on that page: bicycles belong in wild places.

    Links: Bicycling and Wilderness - www.WildernessBicycling.org

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    Outside Mag had this to say...

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    Outside Mag had this to say...
    Outside Mag? Now there a yuppy authority that calls for some irreverence. I didn't even know there were yuppies anymore.
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