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    Rumor: Deadman's Closing

    I was talking to a buddy, and he mentioned that the Deadman's Ridge trail may undergo some changes or close. Something about conflicts between dirtbikes and downhilling. The details were kind of sketchy.

    Any one have any other details?
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    Buddies don't believe rumors spread by buddies.

    Dead Man's is okay. Safe.

    The real Q is how much more construction/trail improvement USFS Missoula Ranger District will allow... if any.

    They almost tore down the work we did last summer/fall building berms, log rides and new chutes... which incidentally had been approved by former District Ranger Don Carroll. Current Ranger who succeeded Don Carroll was not too much of a trails person and was unaware of the mods we'd been approved to make. She initially said the mods weren't approvable, but apparently has retreated from that position and is willing to let them stand.

    Whether we'll be allowed to do more trail work is an open question.

    Most of the decision had to do with USFS's trail inventory of Missoula area trails. The new District Ranger realized that the trail inventory and Dead Man's Ridge trail work projects are two different issues and therefore she reneged as said above.

    Contact District Ranger Maggie Pittman if you have other real, hard-fact Qs about Blue Mtn or Dead Man's.

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    latest update from Maggie Pittman:

    all of LIMB/MTB Missoula's 2003/2004 work creating log rides, berms and other trail features on Deadman's Ridge will be dismantled. this will occur no matter that former Missoula District Ranger Don Carroll approved the work.

    nice to know that our newest District Ranger is using our hard-earned trail contruction and maintenance as a pawn in her attempts to prove she's better than her predecessor.

    nice to know that ego and bureaucratic bungling again will stand in the way of sensible trail maintenance.

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    And they wonder why illegal trails are made..............

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    Quote Originally Posted by kanter
    And they wonder why illegal trails are made..............

    yep...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kanter
    And they wonder why illegal trails are made..............
    as long as nobody comes on to this or other forums to spread the word about the existence and location of illegal trails (), they're the best antidote to a bunch of bungling, non-MTB riding USFS bureaucrats and their ego building exercises.

    I'm not surprised this happened. Maggie Pittman doesn't ride MTBs, in fact she doesn't do much outdoor recreation of any kind.

    as a pretty serious MTB rider himself, Don Carroll was the ideal District Ranger for a District that has MTB riders and trails. too bad he's gone.

    and we still have the BLM corridor along the Blackfoot between Whitaker Bridge and Clearwater Crossing, and BLM are much easier to get along with -- they simply say "you guys ride MTBs and you know what kinds of trails MTB riders like, so just go build 'em"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzostrike
    and we still have the BLM corridor along the Blackfoot between Whitaker Bridge and Clearwater Crossing, and BLM are much easier to get along with -- they simply say "you guys ride MTBs and you know what kinds of trails MTB riders like, so just go build 'em"

    Thats a long drive from town. Isn't Whitaker Bridge the bridge above Jons Rude where everyone starts tubing from?

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    Real nice..... When will they learn that the FR population needs an area to build their stunts. Illegal trail building will continue to pop up all around Missoula if something isn't done. This will cause more harm than good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kanter
    Real nice..... When will they learn that the FR population needs an area to build their stunts. Illegal trail building will continue to pop up all around Missoula if something isn't done. This will cause more harm than good.
    the sad thing, Britt, is that what you just said is EXACTLY what we told USFS. and they decided as they did anyway.

    truthfully, I understand the point about man-made features for MTBs being unfair because USFS didn't give ORVs, hikers and equestrians the same opportunity to build their own little "technical challenge" areas. this is something that I was concerned about when we got Don Carroll's okay to build new technical features. On my part of the new Dead Man's Ridge trail features, I simply routed the trail over natural features and did not BUILD anything. apparently the upper project (also a LIMB/Mtn Bike Missoula project) was what caused USFS most trouble, because it has a lot of man-made construction rather than just a trail routing.

    either way, USFS isn't thinking. they're just reacting. and a lot of this is a power struggle with new ranger Maggie Pittman trying to prove her worth by making her predecessor Don Carroll look bad. cheap, tawdry and bogus. and we're all caught in the crosshairs of their bureaucratic bickering.

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    Does anyone know the procedure (if there is one) to try and challenge her decisions? Or is it just not worth it

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    Quote Originally Posted by intheways
    Does anyone know the procedure (if there is one) to try and challenge her decisions? Or is it just not worth it
    not worth it. I'm a lawyer and I see no legal basis for challenging it. "don't like it" isn't good enough, as they took in public comment on WHY we don't like it and considered that commentary in coming to the final decision.

    as I said, it's a sad fact of US Govt Bureaucracy that sometimes, we taxpayers end up getting shafted by bureaucrats trying to get ahead in the GS rating system. that's what happened here. unfortunately, Don Carroll isn't in a position to force his prior decision into precedence over Maggie Pittman's call on the issue.

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