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    Last night's tally

    Foothills just crawling with morons last night!

    2 downhill riders going off trail instead of yielding. And these were NOT newbies, but clearly experienced riders on expensive bikes.

    And, even better, I had the PLEASURE of experiencing a yet another oversized group grope! No less than 15 riders (primarily on ultra-boutique 29'er singlespeeds) clogging trail 5. Garnetspur and I were able to finish 3 Sudoku puzzles and the NYT crossword puzzle while waiting...and waiting...and waiting...and waiting...for the herd to nonchalantly stroll uphill.

    At least there was a hot chick on Sidewinder riding in a bikini top and the shortest lycra shorts I've ever seen. Almost evened it out.

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    you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyMT
    you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
    Oh boy, did you get me good! Wow, that hurts!

    I'm going to go cry in my spandex.

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    I haven't 29r SS'd trail 5 yet. So, it wasn't me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    I haven't 29r SS'd trail 5 yet. So, it wasn't me.
    I think the boutique 29'er SS is the "official bike" of the foothills group gropes. Both big groups (last week and last night) had a disproportionate number of riders on 29'er singlespeeds. I think it's a required fashion accessory.

    On an unrelated subject, do you have a rigid Bandersnatch?

    (Hmm. That sounds a little wrong.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    I think the boutique 29'er SS is the "official bike" of the foothills group gropes. Both big groups (last week and last night) had a disproportionate number of riders on 29'er singlespeeds. I think it's a required fashion accessory.

    On an unrelated subject, do you have a rigid Bandersnatch?

    (Hmm. That sounds a little wrong.)
    I have a Rigid Black Jabberwocky. Doesn't sound any better. I haven't been out on it in a couple of months ... knee problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    I have a Rigid Black Jabberwocky.
    Perhaps you should pursue a career in pornography. They're always looking for somebody with a rigid black jabberwocky.

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    I was the chick in the bikini top and short lycra you silly piggy.
    Nobody cares what kind of bike you ride.

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    Thanks for the laugh gjenkins, EP and TC.
    ...building wherever they'll let me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedCrank
    I was the chick in the bikini top and short lycra you silly piggy.
    Well, then you've got some nice moobs.

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    EP I feel your pain. It's all sausage out there and not enough scotters. As soon as it cools and the lights grew dim the meek sausages won't come out and the trails will once again be empty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irishbuddha
    EP I feel your pain. It's all sausage out there and not enough scotters. As soon as it cools and the lights grew dim the meek sausages won't come out and the trails will once again be empty.
    Just dusted off the knee warmers and night lights.

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    I wish you had posted pix of the lady bicycle rider in her out fit. That would have made this thread come true for me. But a photo is nothing like the real thing. A friend of mine loaned me a mountain bike, about a ninteen ninety one trek 8000 or something like that. He says some guy who worked for ted turner gave it to him after ted gave it to him. (that's confusing I know but I am confused and that's that) So this turns out to be the nicest bicycle I've ever had, it was top of the line then and top of the line seems to be better than top of the line now. Having a burst of bicycle riding. More more! It's fast, handles like a dream, smooth, precise feeling. Zow. Well thanks for posting on this thread everybody. Even nooobs neeed BoooBs. Especiallly nooobs. Gotta love that sun shine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidarnott
    I wish you had posted pix of the lady bicycle rider in her out fit.
    I only carry a camera for late night midget wrestling, baby seal clubbing and candlelit dinners with Jon Favreau. Plus, it gives me an embarassing bulge in my lycra.

    Seriously, this woman - or TwistedCrank, whichever - was basically nekkid. And fast as a wet cat climbing the drapes at grandma's house. (Thanks to Vassago for that analogy.) A sports bra would be a horse blanket in comparison to what she was using for chest cover, and I have thongs bigger than what she was wearing on the bottom. Talk about a rigid jabberwocky!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irishbuddha
    EP I feel your pain. It's all sausage out there and not enough scotters. As soon as it cools and the lights grew dim the meek sausages won't come out and the trails will once again be empty.
    Night riding. It's like sex with your goat. You only do it because you have to, not because you want to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Night riding. It's like sex with your goat. You only do it because you have to, not because you want to.
    You obviously don't masturbate enough.
    Nobody cares what kind of bike you ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Oh boy, did you get me good! Wow, that hurts!

    I'm going to go cry in my spandex.
    Had no intention to 'get your good' - simply stating a fact.

    I have never rode in Boise so pardon my ignorance; are there signs at the trailheads outlining the rules of the trail? Are these signs clearly visible and easy to read? If not, since you clearly passionate about the issue - talk to the Forest Service about making them. We have won a few battles here and designated uphill and downhill routes on loop trails not only for safety of bikers, but the safety of all the people using the trails.

    And I wasn't aware that group rides were not allowed. I understand your frustration, but why didn't you kindly ask these folks to slide over so you could pass?

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    How did you like Bucktail last night? We were riding in a group of about 6 and had a great time as long as we stayed off the major lower trails. At one point, we rode down Bucktail and I am guessing there were around 50 people on it. Two large groups of families with children (over 10 per group). It was very frustrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedCrank
    You obviously don't masturbate enough.
    Twisted I think you are on to something. If more people would just stay home entertaining themselves there would be less people on the trail and Piggy would finally be content in a non-masturbatory way.

    It seems odd to say but pulled pork would make one happy Piggy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Night riding. You only do it because you have to, not because you want to.
    Last night I got out late for a ride. Time was short so a buddy and I decided to shuttle Five Mile to Watchman and down. When we got to MR parking lot it was almost dark and my associate realizes he left his keys in my car up at the trailhead....crappers. Good thing I had decided to carry my ghetto harbor freight free LED flashlight barmount set..

    I know you've never done this before...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeyMT
    Had no intention to 'get your good' - simply stating a fact.

    I have never rode in Boise so pardon my ignorance; are there signs at the trailheads outlining the rules of the trail? Are these signs clearly visible and easy to read? If not, since you clearly passionate about the issue - talk to the Forest Service about making them. We have won a few battles here and designated uphill and downhill routes on loop trails not only for safety of bikers, but the safety of all the people using the trails.

    And I wasn't aware that group rides were not allowed. I understand your frustration, but why didn't you kindly ask these folks to slide over so you could pass?
    1. Yes, there are signs in the foothills at many trail junctions (esp. the heaviest used.) The are very clear, including photos of how to yield and who is supposed to yield.

    The problem is that people either don't look at them or don't care.

    2. The problem areas are not USFS land. It's a patchwork of BLM, private property, City of Boise land, etc... It's "patrolled" by Ridge to Rivers, which is a "coalition" of gubmint agencies, and headed up by Boise Parks and Rec. I will save my personal feelings about R2R, but they do what they can with the limited resources they have. They are the ones, along with SWIMBA, who put the trail etiquette signs up.

    The problem is that people don't look at them or don't care.

    3. I never said group rides are "not allowed." However, I (and clearly others) do feel that mountain biking groups exceeding a certain size are, in some sense, inappropriate in our already crowded foothills, creating more user conflict than necessary. The hikers already want us off the trails or off certain trails and wield some serious pull in this town. I rarely if ever see "oversized" groups of hikers or runners - only mountain bikers. If I'm annoyed by these unwieldy groups of riders, I can't imagine how the hikers (some of whom already don't like mountain bikers period) feel. Larger than my own admittedly selfish feelings that my own rides are interrupted or otherwise hampered are my concerns for the reputational damage (unintentionally) caused by the large groups.

    4. One thing that is more of a concern to me than the large group issue is the closure of trails to bikes or limitation of riding (ie, official trail route designations) in the foothills. R2R has been "surveying" foothills users in the last year or so, including leading questions as to whether users (ie, hikers) want to see trails closed to certain users on certain days, or made "uphill only" or "downhill only" or flat out closed to mountain bikes, all in the name of "improving" the foothills experience. The last thing I - and most bikers I know - want is to be shoved off trails or ordered to ride a trail one way or another. However, the unwieldy, oversized group rides in the lower foothills (again, only in my opinion) are one piece of "evidence" so to speak that hikers and other non-riding user groups would use to argue that limitations are necessary. (At least, that's what I'd argue if I were them.)

    IMHO, arbitrary closures or limitations are NOT going to solve the problem. If people ignore the clearly marked trail etiquette rules, why would they follow arbitrary rules about when, where, or how you can ride a trail?

    5. Why not ask if I can pass? The rules say that uphill riders have right of way. So, even if it's one downhill rider (ala, me), I still have to (if I want to follow the rules) stop and let 20+ riders pass. Since I expect others to follow the rules, I have to set the example and follow them myself.

    My opinion on a solution is an exception to the yielding rule - if you're going to have a group numbering 10 or more, you should have to yield to anyone at any time - even to a lone downhill rider.

    But, of course, in our selfish (and alternately ignorant) society, who is going to follow that rule?

    Just my $3 on this topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    How did you like Bucktail last night? We were riding in a group of about 6 and had a great time as long as we stayed off the major lower trails. At one point, we rode down Bucktail and I am guessing there were around 50 people on it. Two large groups of families with children (over 10 per group). It was very frustrating.
    Bucktail is a key choke point. As somebody else mentioned either in this thread or another, the only way to avoid the large group issue is to head to the "second tier" of trails. (However, not even that helped me avoid the big group last Thursday. It was on a steep, mid-tier trail that g-spur and I waited...and waited....and waited for the posse of blinglespeeders to pass.) The problem is that to get to or from that tier, generally you ride the crowded, lower tiers, unless you want to slog it out for miles on a dirt road. (Which, apparently, is fun - and social - for some.) Maybe the larger groups should have to ride 8th street or Rocky Canyon rather than Kestrel/Bucktail/Central Ridge/Ridgecrest/Bobs.

    But, again, it's not like that rule would be followed anyway.

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    I was in a blinglespeeder group. There were 7 of us. I heard you were upset ...at least I am pretty sure it was you. We quickly caught up to a group that included kids and cross bikes. The line was already awful, but then we caught up to the giant groups that were at a standstill.

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    So what? Consider the trail use a compliment to good trails and increased bicycle exposure. Riders on expensive singlespeeds are exactly the people who can afford to pay for the custom MTB plate and contribute money to advocacy keeping trails open or for reroutes for better rider distribution. EP, you are instrumental in growing MTBing, but it is a tad arrogant to expect a slow moving group of riders to all stop so one faster rider can pass,,,unless of course it is twisted crank riding nude carrying a bag of cheap dog food.
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    No food is too cheap for my dogs of war.

    Nobody cares what kind of bike you ride.

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    The boyfriend doesn't look amused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected]
    I was in a blinglespeeder group. There were 7 of us. I heard you were upset ...at least I am pretty sure it was you. We quickly caught up to a group that included kids and cross bikes. The line was already awful, but then we caught up to the giant groups that were at a standstill.
    Probably me. I got a little pissy and my panties got scrunched. It happens. Two nights of mega group experiences (the group I ran into was larger than 7, and included gearies too) and rude (ie, non-yielding) users overwhelmed my already limited patience. There were some clearly annoyed hikers on Eagle Ridge when we all passed.

    Tis the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by accesspig
    So what? Consider the trail use a compliment to good trails and increased bicycle exposure. Riders on expensive singlespeeds are exactly the people who can afford to pay for the custom MTB plate and contribute money to advocacy keeping trails open or for reroutes for better rider distribution. EP, you are instrumental in growing MTBing, but it is a tad arrogant to expect a slow moving group of riders to all stop so one faster rider can pass,,,unless of course it is twisted crank riding nude carrying a bag of cheap dog food.
    Fine line between use and perceived overuse. Perception of etiquette is key, especially for riders. For whatever reason, we need to be seen by the greater majority and R2R especially as playing "nicer" than other trail users. When there's talk of "trail conflict," it's usually the mountain bikers who are targeted, whether deserving or not.

    In my own (arrogant, apparently) opinion, I see extra large group rides (especially on weeknights, when the trails are already crowded) as something that could be used against the mountain biking community as a whole as a basis for instituting arbitrary restrictions (ie, one-way on Hulls or NO bikes on Hulls, which is the brass ring for some in the non-biking community.) Heck, maybe I'm wrong. Perhaps the hikers and dog walkers see the mega groups as a compliment. But, I wouldn't bet on it.

    As for what you ride - blinglespeed, cross bike, unicycle, pogo stick - I don't care. It's how you ride it that matters.

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    Insert ironic pig with blinglespeed photo here.
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    Last edited by Earthpig; 09-27-2010 at 01:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Insert ironic blinglespeed photo here.
    Moobs.


    teeheehee
    Nobody cares what kind of bike you ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by accesspig
    So what? Consider the trail use a compliment to good trails and increased bicycle exposure. Riders on expensive singlespeeds are exactly the people who can afford to pay for the custom MTB plate and contribute money to advocacy keeping trails open or for reroutes for better rider distribution. EP, you are instrumental in growing MTBing, but it is a tad arrogant to expect a slow moving group of riders to all stop so one faster rider can pass,,,unless of course it is twisted crank riding nude carrying a bag of cheap dog food.
    So your implying riders of expensive singlespeeds can neither read or comprehend large signs in plain English....OK ...................I never thought they were a very clever crowd.

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    when did the ID forum become the politically (in)correct forum like other uptight forums? is everyone riding without a seat and only a seatpost? jeeeeezus. i was trying to point out the positive fact that more riders equals more awareness and more awareness potentially increases influence and funding for the cause, especially since trail closure is happening fast.

    in a train of riders with varying ability, sometimes the entire group is unaware if a speedy mountain goat is itching to pass. THAT'S ALL. i have massive respect for earthpig.

    singlespeeders riding expensive carbon frames should be able to break any rule they want. duh. obviously that is not true. the point was simple...if said individuals spend a lot of money on a bike, perhaps they will purchase a mtb license plate and/or contribute to the local clubs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by accesspig
    singlespeeders riding expensive carbon frames should be able to break any rule they want. duh. obviously that is not true. the point was simple...if said individuals spend a lot of money on a bike, perhaps they will purchase a mtb license plate and/or contribute to the local clubs.
    Unfortunately, blinglespeed pictured above is not my own. And heck yes, I'm hoping that riders of all kinds invest in our trails, whether a plate purchase or something else.

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    i have masssive respect for earth pig

    He looks prettty rippped. The sun is bright, the sky is blue, the maples are turning brilliant yellow orange and red. The biking is goood in Montana. This is the payofff. The harvest. git up n ride. If you start to bonk drink whippping cream. Wheeelie Season. The steeed must not be denied. No. The Steeed must be heeeded. Yes. This is when the alpine trails are the driest. They go the highest. Peak Ascending Season Has Arrrived. Yet I wax over enthusiastic. I cannnot ride for one single more day. Lest I become paralyzed. And so I MUST take a day of rest and foood eating. And so as I lay here in bicycle induced agony. Best wishes bikers.

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