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    Halloween...

    Once a year I dust off my weird bikes and we do this thing called a road ride. Up and down Bogus then margaritas and a pile of Mex (yes, in that order). Oh yeah, we also watch our local heroes...
    Post your Twilight pics here if you have 'em... Yes, I know it's roadie content but most of us here are part time roadies...






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    I'm kinda disappointed . . .

    When I saw the road bikes, I expected pix of you all lycra'd up and grim looking :^)

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    Wink highway 21 quandries/semi-rant

    i've never ridden a road bike in my life, unless you count the murray ten speeds we had as kids and my brother's fixie, which i promptly crashed.

    i really don't get it, but i'm glad it gets people out who wouldn't ride otherwise. except for that guy i saw saturday climbing the highway up around the bend to the top of the hill above sandy point. normally i couldn't give two squirts about the roadie vs. mtb thing, but this just blew me away.

    i don't know how you could ride along a concrete barrier wall with no shoulder, no nada on a blind curve, with your little kid (about 8 probably) behind you on his heavy kids mtb (dad was on a road bike of course) and feel even remotely at ease.

    not only did it look hot and miserable (my perspective) it was dangerous as hell.

    lots of things are dangerous. i do dangerous things every day. hell, i sorta gravitate toward them. but for crying out loud, until the kid is old enough to decide to risk life and limb for fitness/fun/adrenaline, wouldn't you ride with them on the bike path? or is that part of the thrill? i made it home without becoming road kill! whatarush!

    someone please enlighten me about what you enjoy about recreational road riding on a road with traffic . i'm not talking country road riding, not touring, not green belt cruising, not the rush of descending so fast your eyelids blow back (that part looks fun).

    seriously, in terms of riding on a busy curvy road, what is appealing about that? am i just paranoid about assuming every driver on the road just drank a half rack before getting into his F350? or that the person texting on their cell phone while driving with one knee and putting in a cd will pay attention to the skinny mirage up ahead on the right? are you bothered by exhaust?

    geez flip i'm sorry, i didn't mean to hijack your thread, but i've always wondered these things!!! i don't know any 'roadies' or i'd ask them!

    enlighten me you guys. i'm not trying to be flippant, but after driving down from robie creek and seeing all the roadies and worrying for their lives, i'd love it if someone could tell me what you like about this.

    that being said, many of you would probably wonder why the hell a 34 year old woman plays with hula hoops
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    I second the motion

    I rode my Road bike 3 times last year and have rode it 10 times this year. All out in the country on Sunday mornings for recoverry rides. It is almost as painful as going to the dentist.

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    Road riding is different from mountain biking, but I enjoy both. The Highway 21 hill isn't a big deal to me, and other than on Friday evenings when boats are being towed up the hill in huge numbers, I'm not overly concerned about the climb (although I'd not recommend it for 8 year olds). The majority of the climb has a nice shoulder, the only bad place is near the bottom of the climb where all of the sand has washed down the hill and blocks the tiny shoulder.

    Explaining why a road bike is fun, is probably like you trying to explain to your non-biking friends why riding a mountian bike is cool. It's one of those things that either you enjoy or you don't. The feeling of floating down Highway 21 at 40 mph, and (when I'm in shape) making the bike float up a hill, is tough to beat.

    And as far as the cars go, they bother some people and they don't bother others. When you first started riding a mountain bike, trails like Bob's or Hull's probably seemed intimidating. After years of riding, trails like that become fun and the rocks are no longer of any real concern. The same is true with road riding, eventually the vast majority of cars pass unnoticed. There are a few jerks in cars, but the vast majority are fine as long as you know how to ride when they are present.

    And here's a pic of the Kristin before she left the pack behind.

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    thanks for responding! that was sort of asanine to ask 'what's to like about road riding?' when really what i was wondering is what's to like about riding with cars. hey, i'm a naturally curious person, and what's the point in keeping things shrouded in mystery we've got the intraweb?!

    road riding requires road --> cars use road --> bikes ride with cars --> hopefully everyone avoids impact!



    to many people this would seem no more sketchy than riding on an exposed, rooty, off-camber trail.
    the response i feel when i see someone flying skinny wheels around sand-strewn corners at 50 with a big truck at your side would be the same as their horror at some of the things mtn bikers willingly roll (or huck) over.

    apples to oranges!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTNgirl
    i don't know how you could ride along a concrete barrier wall with no shoulder, no nada on a blind curve, with your little kid (about 8 probably) behind you on his heavy kids mtb (dad was on a road bike of course) and feel even remotely at ease.

    not only did it look hot and miserable (my perspective) it was dangerous as hell.

    lots of things are dangerous. i do dangerous things every day. hell, i sorta gravitate toward them. but for crying out loud, until the kid is old enough to decide to risk life and limb for fitness/fun/adrenaline, wouldn't you ride with them on the bike path? or is that part of the thrill? i made it home without becoming road kill! whatarush!
    First, hula hoops rock.

    As a parent, what you describe does sound objectively irresponsible and dangerous. Climbing that stretch of 21 with your small child in tow on his/her own bike on a weekend when there's a fair amount of boat/trailer traffic is never something I'd do with my son, even on his trailer bike. I'm sure the guy had a good reason for what he was doing, but again, from an objective standpoint and without the benefit of all the facts, it's simply something I would call at the very least unreasonable behavior from my perspective.

    As for road riding itself, my only hesistation is that you can't control the actions of the drivers. You can get as far to the right on the road as reasonably safe, but a driver will do what a driver will do. On the trail, you have ultimate control over your own safety. If you want to go fast, go fast, if you want to take a gnarly line, you can do it. (Albeit, there are those instances when a pack of riders flying downhill refuses to yield and forces you off the only rideable line on a steep, loose climb; but, again, they have their own reasons too, right?) As with any activity with inherent dangers, you accept the risks or you don't do it.

    Back to the original intent of the post, Saturday was all-around enjoyable. Riding my new toy (no reason to road ride when you have a new toy, right?), followed by the now-usual pre-crit BBQ, followed by watching the lycra-clad leg shavers go fast. I watched at what I suspected to be "carnage corner" (9th and Grove) with the sharp turn and brick walkway, but saw no crashes. Eh, there's always NASCAR, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Back to the original intent of the post, Saturday was all-around enjoyable. Riding my new toy (no reason to road ride when you have a new toy, right?),
    Dude,
    That must be the 4th bike I've seen that fork on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flipnidaho
    Dude,
    That must be the 4th bike I've seen that fork on!
    Close. This frame is the 6th it's been installed on. What a total sl_t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MTNgirl
    when really what i was wondering is what's to like about riding with cars. hey, i'm a naturally curious person, and what's the point in keeping things shrouded in mystery we've got the intraweb?!

    road riding requires road --> cars use road --> bikes ride with cars --> hopefully everyone avoids impact!
    Given the choice of two identical roads, one with cars and one without, I'd take the one without every time. Unfortunately, most of the time, there's not that choice.

    Once you've ridden for a while and know the area, it's easier to decide which roads are acceptible for riding and which are not. It was to do with traffic volume, speed, shoulder width, and your personal comfort level around traffic. For instance Gowan road is a common route for bikers, and I ride it west-bound regularly with no fear. However, east-bound the shoulder is not existant, and unless I'm in large pack of riders that will be notced, and cause traffic to slow when passing, I'll not ride it in that direction.

    Road bikes are about going fast (or at least trying to) with a minimal amount of effort. It's a lot of fun, and yes sometimes cars are a drag, but it's a part of the experience, as unfortunately until gas hits $10/gal. cars are still going to use the roads.

    To me other pedestrians and roller balders are a bigger concern. Given the choice of biking on Warm Springs with cars, or biking on the green belt (which parallels the road) with it's dog walkers, children, and roller bladers, I'll take the cars any day. Even though cars are large and noisy, they are generally predictable (as long as you avoid roads with lots of entrance and exits into businesses). If you try riding on the Greenbelt you'll find that few of the users are predictible. Being passed by a car is no big deal - I know where they're going. Trying to pass a roller blader who is listening to sweet tunes on his/her iPod is super sketchy.

    So, if the bike rider is predictible (i.e. the cars know what the rider is doing), and if the automobile driver is predictible (i.e. the biker knows what the driver are doing), the whole thing works out fine. Sure there are drunk drivers, and inatentaive dirvers, and road bikers need to be aware, and keep a watchful eye. In the end very few altercations happen given the number of miles that people ride. When something does happen, it sucks, but luckly it's a rare event.

    I ride on the pavement quite a bit, and the last time I really crashed hard was when I was in high shool in the early 1980's, so I've had 25 years of relatively safe ridng (knock on wood). There's have been a lot of close calls, and I've pound on several car doors with my fist, but I've not been hit. On the other hand I crash hard every year or two on my mountain bike, and have a perpetually screwed up rotator cuff from a mountain bike crash form 5 years ago. If I'm off of my bike due to injuries, it's always due to mountain biking, never my road bike. So which is really safer?

    And the last bit of advice: when you drive a car, use your turn signals. To a road biker, a car's turn signal is how we determine where a car is going. Unforunately the use of the turn signals is not common any more. My closest calls on the road are when a car turns right without using a signal - after a traffic light turns green cars begin to accelerate, and bikes are often traveling faster than the cars and passing them in the bike lane to the right. Often out of no where a car turns right without signaling (or looking), and bikes get in trouble. If a signal is used, bike no not to pass. If no signal is used, it's assumed that the car is going straight, and bikes legally pass the cars on the right, but may pay a price.
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    good points. it doesn't make much sense to put your road bike on a car to drive to a country road, i guess you have to drive there...

    you are so right about hazards on the greenbelt. i commute to work, partly on the greenbelt. it never fails, if i say 'on yer left!' they inevitably step to the left. those listening to music inevitably 'jump' as i pass because even tho i'm yelling like a banshee they don't know i'm there until i'm beside them.

    the car slap! let me tell you, i almost lost my life twice in one day a few weeks ago commuting. on the way to work, i'm in the right lane stopped at a (busy) light, next to a lady in a big SUV. i hear sirens behind me, and sure enough the lane of cars is slowly creeping to the right to yield to the meat wagon.
    i could see her looking in her rearview mirror, inching me toward being squashed like a bug. WHACK! i smacked the hood with my palm, and the poor lady was totally startled, but it got her attention.

    the way home? entirely my fault. you know how when you were a kid and you saw something in the street like a can or a paper bag or a pile of leaves in the gutter and you HAD to ride over/through them?? even though your mom told you there could be hazards lurking within said piles/cans/paper bags?
    i almost had my a** handed to me by a plastic water bottle lid in the bike lane. if you hit a hard slick object just right you will skid in a way that might turn your fruit of the looms into a fudge factory. (ok, who remembers where that line is from?)

    so now i'm more edumacated about the mysteries of road riding. and i will always use my turn signals, which i do anyway. cheers to all of you with the need for speed.

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    good points. it doesn't make much sense to put your road bike on a car to drive to a country road, i guess you have to ride there...

    you are so right about hazards on the greenbelt. i commute to work, partly on the greenbelt. it never fails, if i say 'on yer left!' they inevitably step to the left. those listening to music inevitably 'jump' as i pass because even tho i'm yelling like a banshee they don't know i'm there until i'm beside them.

    the car slap! let me tell you, i almost lost my life twice in one day a few weeks ago commuting. on the way to work, i'm in the right lane stopped at a (busy) light, next to a lady in a big SUV. i hear sirens behind me, and sure enough the lane of cars is slowly creeping to the right to yield to the meat wagon.
    i could see her looking in her rearview mirror, inching me toward being squashed like a bug. WHACK! i smacked the hood with my palm, and the poor lady was totally startled, but it got her attention.

    the way home? entirely my fault. you know how when you were a kid and you saw something in the street like a can or a paper bag or a pile of leaves in the gutter and you HAD to ride over/through them?? even though your mom told you there could be hazards lurking within said piles/cans/paper bags?
    i almost had my a** handed to me by a plastic water bottle lid in the bike lane. if you hit a hard slick object just right you will skid in a way that might turn your fruit of the looms into a fudge factory. (ok, who remembers where that line is from?)

    so now i'm more edumacated about the mysteries of road riding. and i will always use my turn signals, which i do anyway. cheers to all of you with the need for speed.

    i promise not to ask about tandems and redundants.
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    whoops! guess i'll need a tutorial on how to use the edit function. i'm going home now
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTNgirl
    i promise not to ask about tandems and redundants.
    I'm with you on recumbents. Why would you ride on the streets with your head at bumper height. That is a mystery to me too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laffeaux

    And here's a pic of the Kristin before she left the pack behind.

    <img src="https://www.eandsweb.com/bikes/pics/mtbr/IMG_0090.jpg" width="800" height="600">

    WOO HOO!!!!!! A picture of me graced the pages of MTBR! Haha! Yes, that would be my drop dead stunning figure in the bright yellow "LOOK AT ME" shirt standing on the sidewalk on the left part of the picture. MAN....I am gooooood lookin'! Haha!!

    P.S....after watching that kristin lady, I think I have a new hero (for this week anyway)...she was f'n impressive! I'm sure this was the lap where I remember watching someone try to pass her in the corner they're about to turn into in this picture...I saw her look twice at the other girl, kinda like "I don't think so!" and then she took off...next lap she was well on her way to leaving the pack in the dust. Very fun to watch! It was my first time at the twilight (new to Boise)...had a blast and I'm afraid that this kinda locked in my desire to get a road bike!! Anyone want to donate one to me? C'mon, they're not that expensive!
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    Speaking of Kristin, I was watching the Tour last night with my neighbor Matt who works at World, and raced road bikes in France about 18 years ago. He mentioned that Kristin came out for a regular group road ride on Tuesday night that involves climbing halfway up BB road. She was on a time trial bike. Apparently, she completely blew up the ride, dusting every single guy, including the Austrailian pro who was accompanying her. A local roadie race guy tried to go off the front, standing, hammering...and she caught him and passed him like he was going backwards, while still in the saddle.

    My god. Is she a lock to win the gold this year in the time trial or what? My money says yes.

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    Not quite a lock ... there's a woman named Kupfernagel who has beaten Kristin recently and one other whose name escapes me (maybe Marianne Vos?). Based on Kristin using BB to train on because it is very similar to the Olympic's TT course it seems as though the Olympic course will not be flat. Not sure how that would affect the other women.

    Amen to Laffeaux on the roadie stuff. The Greenbelt is way dangerous this time of year. I can't believe folks who don't wear helmets on the Greenbelt with the belief of, "oh, it's only the Greenbelt"

    And to MTNgirl ... there are those around here who were riding well before the invention of the mountain bike or even the bike helmet for that matter. Growing up riding on roads, we grew comfortable with the cars. Nowadays, the youngns are growing up hucking like it's nothing and are scared of cars. Me, I'm just the opposite ... a ground-hog who is comfortable (for the most part) on the road. Just products of our upbringing ... AGAIN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamW
    there's a woman named Kupfernagel
    That's one of the scariest things I've ever read.
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    Twisted Crank.....

    Totally unretelated, but I've gotta say that the picture next to your posts trips me out every time I see it. Maybe if I get drunk and give it a look it might look normal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedCrank
    That's one of the scariest things I've ever read.
    add in the first name of Hanka and that does get a bit scary. But just so you can sleep better tonight, I provide this link: http://www.hanka-kupfernagel.de/news-eng.html

    ... I'm guessing this thread has now officially been hijacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamW
    add in the first name of Hanka and that does get a bit scary. But just so you can sleep better tonight, I provide this link: http://www.hanka-kupfernagel.de/news-eng.html

    ... I'm guessing this thread has now officially been hijacked.
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    Hanka! Liebling!

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    Nice pics!
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