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    Considering a move to Idaho......

    I'm considering a move to Idaho. Possibly to the Boise or Coeur d'Alene areas.

    I've only been through N. Idaho once and I liked it a lot. Planning a longer visit this year to scope it out some more.

    Somebody give me the skinny on living there. Good, bad, or otherwise.

    We fish, we camp, we ride, we hike, so it looks like the ideal place to my family and I.
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    Quote Originally Posted by e<i>o
    I'm considering a move to Idaho. Possibly to the Boise or Coeur d'Alene areas.

    I've only been through N. Idaho once and I liked it a lot. Planning a longer visit this year to scope it out some more.

    Somebody give me the skinny on living there. Good, bad, or otherwise.

    We fish, we camp, we ride, we hike, so it looks like the ideal place to my family and I.
    Id say stay away, bad place for any outdoor activities here in CDA area. singletrack, lakes, mountains, critters,,,,, its terrible! couldn't get me to move!
    and what kid wants to ride trails with his pops, seeing moose, bear, deer, and an occasional horse and rider, when he could be giving his thumbs a work out with a game controller?

    all kidding aside, moved here 16 years ago, kids grew up here, they turned out right.. my 2 cents...

    Happy Trails~

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    You are going to get alot of different responses to this question if you are thinking of moving to the Boise area, for a taste of how some of us will respond, hit up this thread where another out-of-state poster pretty much asked the same thing:

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    Quote Originally Posted by BelaySlave
    You are going to get alot of different responses to this question if you are thinking of moving to the Boise area, for a taste of how some of us will respond, hit up this thread where another out-of-state poster pretty much asked the same thing:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=48260

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    Whereabouts are you moving from?
    I've lived around a bit. Pittsburgh; Cleveland; Las Vegas; Portland, OR and currently Atlanta, GA.

    Our favorite was Portland, but because of the prohibitive cost of living on the West coast we ended up having to go to greener but not necessarily nicer financial pastures.

    We really dislike Atlanta and miss the West terribly and Idaho seems like a happy medium for us.
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    If you broaden your search to E WA, you can add a little more territory, jobs & housing into the search. I'm 20 miles west of the ID border in Spokane. Been here for 15 years. You could help us with our new IMBA club.

    In case some one mentions it, they usually do, the neo nazis are long gone and the former Aryan Nations compound has been turned into a human rights center.

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    Boise and N. Idaho

    Quote Originally Posted by e<i>o
    I'm considering a move to Idaho. Possibly to the Boise or Coeur d'Alene areas.

    Somebody give me the skinny on living there. Good, bad, or otherwise.

    We fish, we camp, we ride, we hike, so it looks like the ideal place to my family and I.
    Boise and N. Idaho are very different. Boise is dry, hot desert-type environment, while N. Idaho is a little cooler and wetter - more like Portland than Boise is. I've lived in both N. Idaho and in Boise and I frankly like Boise a little more - seems like there are more trail options, and if you want to go to the mountains they're just over the foothills.

    Downsides to Boise include increasing traffic congestion problems, sharply increasing population, rapidly increasing home prices (which is good if you own a home and bad if you're trying to buy one), and the local job market is relatively flat. Oh, let's not forget that lovely Boise winter weather phenomenon known as the inversion, where it's sunny and warm in the mountains, and cold and foggy in the valley. (We've got a good 'un going right now - I can't see 150 yards past my window....) Summertime temps in Boise are usually in the low to mid 90's, but we can get stretches of 100+ heat - and no rain. It's a dry heat!

    Also, I hope you like your politics served up "rare" - as in bright red. Outside Utah and Wyoming, Idaho is the "reddest" state in the country. Boise itself is fairly politically moderate (Bush won Idaho 67-31, but his margin in Boise was 55 - 45), but most of the rest of the state is all about them "family values." I guess this isn't an unusual phenomenon in the West or most of the rest of the country - urbanized areas are liberal to moderate, while rural areas are conservative. Think Portland/Eugene v. ther rest of Oregon and you'll get the idea, albeit on a smaller scale here.

    All said, Boise is a nice place to live and ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Summertime temps in Boise are usually in the low to mid 90's, but we can get stretches of 100+ heat - and no rain. It's a dry heat!........

    Also, I hope you like your politics served up "rare" - as in bright red. Outside Utah and Wyoming, Idaho is the "reddest" state in the country. Boise itself is fairly politically moderate (Bush won Idaho 67-31, but his margin in Boise was 55 - 45), but most of the rest of the state is all about them "family values." I guess this isn't an unusual phenomenon in the West or most of the rest of the country - urbanized areas are liberal to moderate, while rural areas are conservative. Think Portland/Eugene v. ther rest of Oregon and you'll get the idea, albeit on a smaller scale here.

    All said, Boise is a nice place to live and ride.
    We lived in Vegas for 3 years and the heat wasn't bad at all until after 102 or so. I thought 90's in the desert was pretty comfortable.

    As far as traffic congestion, politics, and religion goes, I don't see how it could possibly be worse than Atlanta.

    My wife likens it to Las Vegas. But instead of casinos/gambling on every corner there are Baptist Chuches, Bible beaters and bassackward, redneck morons who think the Civil War just ended last week. "Family Values" is the catch phrase down here.

    We don't/didn't gamble, but at least the gamblers & casinos left you alone.
    Unlike the Baptists who use guerrilla tactics on children to try to "save" them.

    Oh yeah, do they call it Halloween in Idaho or is it called something else.
    The Baptists call it "Fall Festival", because of the EVIL connotation Halloween has.

    We've been branded as devil worshipers I think, because I ran around in a hockey mask w/ a plastic axe scaring the trick-or-treaters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by e<i>o
    We lived in Vegas for 3 years and the heat wasn't bad at all until after 102 or so. I thought 90's in the desert was pretty comfortable.

    As far as traffic congestion, politics, and religion goes, I don't see how it could possibly be worse than Atlanta.

    My wife likens it to Las Vegas. But instead of casinos/gambling on every corner there are Baptist Chuches, Bible beaters and bassackward, redneck morons who think the Civil War just ended last week. "Family Values" is the catch phrase down here.

    We don't/didn't gamble, but at least the gamblers & casinos left you alone.
    Unlike the Baptists who use guerrilla tactics on children to try to "save" them.

    Oh yeah, do they call it Halloween in Idaho or is it called something else.
    The Baptists call it "Fall Festival", because of the EVIL connotation Halloween has.

    We've been branded as devil worshipers I think, because I ran around in a hockey mask w/ a plastic axe scaring the trick-or-treaters.
    OK, given your frame of reference, Boise isn't NEARLY as hot as Vegas, nor is Boise nearly as religiously conservative as "Jawja." I ride around here until about 101 or 102, but I have ridden when it was as hot as 105. It's not quite as dry as Vegas, but drier than say, Portland. When it gets over 100, you can drive up to Bogus Basin (15 miles away from Boise, but 3000 feet higher in elevation) and ride up there. For instance, this past summer, I took a little road trip up to Bogus when the temp was 102 in the valley - and rode in the trees and shade in 87 degree "heat."

    On the other topic, the religionazis do call it Halloween around here, but in the more heavily-religiously-infested areas of the Boise valley, they mandated this year that kids trick or treat on Saturday, October 30, rather than Sunday, October 31. God forbid anyone observe a "pagan" event like Halloween on a Sunday! Hey, as a bonus, some of them will even pay your parking tickets for you - just ask CBro!

    In sum, again based upon your frame of reference, I think you'd dig Boise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    On the other topic, the religionazis do call it Halloween around here, but in the more heavily-religiously-infested areas of the Boise valley, they mandated this year that kids trick or treat on Saturday, October 30, rather than Sunday, October 31. God forbid anyone observe a "pagan" event like Halloween on a Sunday! Hey, as a bonus, some of them will even pay your parking tickets for you - just ask CBro!

    In sum, again based upon your frame of reference, I think you'd dig Boise!
    Your as salty as I am.

    What about the beer? Idaho has a 6% law, correct?
    How far of a drive is it to Oregon from Boise so I can buy real beer and smuggle it back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by e<i>o
    Your as salty as I am.

    What about the beer? Idaho has a 6% law, correct?
    How far of a drive is it to Oregon from Boise so I can buy real beer and smuggle it back?
    I can get an Arrogant Bastard anytime from local taps in Cd'A, so I doubt that law exists.

    EDIT: And there's just a shite-ton of riding up here, and lots of friendly mtbers to ride with. My impression is that it's a very "have fun" minded group in general, vs stereotypical "racer types". And like formica said, the neo-nazi presence has dwindled to just about nothing. Homes aren't getting any cheaper in Cd'A, so get out here quick! The prices jump when the sun comes out too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by e<i>o
    Your as salty as I am.

    What about the beer? Idaho has a 6% law, correct?
    How far of a drive is it to Oregon from Boise so I can buy real beer and smuggle it back?
    There are at least 4 micro-breweries in Boise. There are even more if you include some of the smaller surrounding towns. I think you will find your favorite brews on the shell at most stores or the local Co-Op. Guinness is on tap at several local pubs as well as serveral other micro brews. Northern Idaho also has its share of brew pubs.

    It is good that you enjoy beer! Unless you are really conservative or religious you are going to need to drink lots of beer to find humor from the local religious and political whackos. As an example, Boise had a Ten Commandments statue in the local park that was donated to generate publicity for the “Planet of the Apes” movie. In an attempt to keep a hate monger minister from putting up there own gay bashing monument in the park, the Mayor found the Ten Commandments monument had no business in the publicly owned park. A local church across the street from the State Capitol agreed to put the Ten Commandments on there property but that didn’t satisfy a group of local hard chore Christians. For several months, it seemed like the only thing on news or in the newspapers was coverage of the fight between the “save the monument” group and the Mayor. I won’t even get into the local politics. I will just say the State is run by industry and the Farm Bureau.

    So if you like to drink beer, ride your bike and have a sense of humor when it comes to religion and politics, Idaho isn’t a bad place. It may take you a while to warm up to some of the old locals. Many of them have a philosophy of not talking about good rides but they will certainty show you if you want to ride with them.

    Good luck on your search for a place to land!

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    Quote Originally Posted by e<i>o
    I've lived around a bit. Pittsburgh; Cleveland; Las Vegas; Portland, OR and currently Atlanta, GA.
    Got a friend who lives in Newnan, but works in mid-town. She use to have to work in Duluth several times a week. Needless to say my commute from Caldwell into downtown Boise (about 35 miles) is a cakewalk compared to hers (especially evening commute).

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    Earthpig, IrishBudda: I love you guys. You don't know how good it is to see your rants about the Boise sociopoliticoreligico status quo. Makes me remember that I'm not alone in feeling the way I do about the local majority wierdness and how getting on my bike balances that out. Yeah, from my house I've got an LDS church 2 blocks away, but then again, I've got single track three blocks away, a brew pub four blocks away, and the ski lifts sixteen miles away, so life is good.

    I do wonder one thing though. Have you seen those yellow ten commandments cardboard cutouts that people have been putting in their front yards. Do those things irritate you and much as they do me?
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    north Idaho

    Well, since the banter is going, i'd suggest you check out our lil groups website,

    groups.msn.com/lacticacidheads

    Your welcome to check out the ride shots on the left of the screen, there are pages and pages of local trail pics as well as a few excursions outside the area, but it will give you an adea of a bit of the North Idaho scene...

    Happy Trails,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt Tripps
    Well, since the banter is going, i'd suggest you check out our lil groups website,

    groups.msn.com/lacticacidheads

    Your welcome to check out the ride shots on the left of the screen, there are pages and pages of local trail pics as well as a few excursions outside the area, but it will give you an adea of a bit of the North Idaho scene...

    Happy Trails,
    me too, I have regional pics,,,,,
    http://www.specialtyoutdoors.com/pen...ing/biking.asp
    NW whitewater too, don't know if you do that...
    http://www.specialtyoutdoors.com/pen...ng/boating.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedCrank
    Earthpig, IrishBudda: I love you guys. You don't know how good it is to see your rants about the Boise sociopoliticoreligico status quo. Makes me remember that I'm not alone in feeling the way I do about the local majority wierdness and how getting on my bike balances that out. Yeah, from my house I've got an LDS church 2 blocks away, but then again, I've got single track three blocks away, a brew pub four blocks away, and the ski lifts sixteen miles away, so life is good.

    I do wonder one thing though. Have you seen those yellow ten commandments cardboard cutouts that people have been putting in their front yards. Do those things irritate you and much as they do me?
    LOL, I am so glad that particular fad hasn't made it up here ( yet)

    I''ll raise you 5 ski areas within an hour and a half, and some meth houses.

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    You guys are making my mouth water with those pics.

    Man I miss the West.

    While everyones sharing, here's a few of mine, not from Idaho but WTH.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by e<i>o
    What about the beer? Idaho has a 6% law, correct?
    How far of a drive is it to Oregon from Boise so I can buy real beer and smuggle it back?
    As far as I know, no 6% law here. I can attest to that fact because I often enjoy a cold 8.9% Schlitz Malt Liquor Bull Ice after rides! Idaho does have good beer - to that I can definitely attest!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedCrank
    Earthpig, IrishBudda: I love you guys. You don't know how good it is to see your rants about the Boise sociopoliticoreligico status quo. Makes me remember that I'm not alone in feeling the way I do about the local majority wierdness and how getting on my bike balances that out. Yeah, from my house I've got an LDS church 2 blocks away, but then again, I've got single track three blocks away, a brew pub four blocks away, and the ski lifts sixteen miles away, so life is good.

    I do wonder one thing though. Have you seen those yellow ten commandments cardboard cutouts that people have been putting in their front yards. Do those things irritate you and much as they do me?
    Twist, you are by far not alone. I'd say the vast majority (if not all) of the people I know personally who ride have pretty much the same political/(non)religious feelings as you, I, and Buddha. (I understand that CBro falls into the "other" camp, not that I hold that against him.) That's what I like about being in Boise - it's a fairly politically moderate town, give or take the vocal religionazis. That said, I wish Brandi Swindell, Dennis Mansfield, Gerry Sweet, and the rest of the vocal religionazis would SHUT THE HELL up. I'm not sure if they understand what an embarassment they are to themselves, this town, and the state as a whole. Luckily, I'd say 90% of Boiseans don't take them seriously, so it's all good.

    Ah, the yellow ten commandments placards. They're nearly as annoying as the "Save the Cross" signs on everybody's lawn a few years ago. However, as I am all for free speech, I see no problem with those on people's lawns. When I see them, I laugh and think to myself - "well, there's another one of the brainwashed" and I go on my merry way to the brewpub!
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    Quote Originally Posted by formica
    LOL, I am so glad that particular fad hasn't made it up here ( yet)

    I''ll raise you 5 ski areas within an hour and a half, and some meth houses.

    formica
    I'll take your ski areas and meth houses and raise you the Owyhee desert and a skyline filled with McMansions and starter castles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    That's what I like about being in Boise -
    It's funny to consider that my neighborhood is a somewhat left-o-center family-oriented enclave in the foothills just out of the north end. So my day to day perspective of my neighborhood (and by association Boise) is one that pretty much parallels my sociopolitico bent.

    However when I watch the local news or travel through "core Boise", I think it's this town can be really weird in its majority of values. And then I peak through the trees and I see Simplot's hill and I feel like I'm looking at the Godfather's mansion.

    Speaking of Boise rants, this one centering on growth and Las Angelesazation of west Boise, would you believe that I've never actually been to Meridian? At least, not that I noticed. Heh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Ah, the yellow ten commandments placards. They're nearly as annoying as the "Save the Cross" signs on everybody's lawn a few years ago.
    I think what's worse are the ribbon magnets you see everywhere. I was at the Chevron the other night at Emerald and Milwaukee and there was this jacked-up Jeep driven by some trailer trash skank that had the whole hood covered in 'em.

    However, as I am all for free speech, I see no problem with those on people's lawns. When I see them, I laugh and think to myself - "well, there's another one of the brainwashed" and I go on my merry way to the brewpub![/QUOTE]

    Gerry Sweet
    I sit in on the Joint Finance and Appropriation Committee at the Idaho Legislature for work and he just joined JFAC this session and suprisingly he has been rather quiet.

    On the extreme other end, that one lesbian from the North End that got elected is on the House Revenue & Taxation committee and I have no clue what the heck she is doing there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedCrank
    It's funny to consider that my neighborhood is a somewhat left-o-center family-oriented enclave in the foothills just out of the north end. So my day to day perspective of my neighborhood (and by association Boise) is one that pretty much parallels my sociopolitico bent.

    Speaking of Boise rants, this one centering on growth and Las Angelesazation of west Boise, would you believe that I've never actually been to Meridian? At least, not that I noticed. Heh.
    I hear you, Twist. My neighborhood is the same - left of center, older homes (mixed in with some McMansions and starter castles in the newer, "uppity" part of the neighborhood), but not in the north end. However, I used to work in Nampa and now I work in Meridian (which is just like Nampa, except you trade the Nazarenes and Catholics for LDS. If you're really lucky, you get to see Gerry Sweet and Bill Sali goose-stepping around Meridian, leading their merry band of religionazis!) Most of the people I work with are hardcore Nampans or Caldwellians, and the vast majority are pretty right-wing politically. I'm about the only moderate-leaning Democrat-voting independent in an office of 115 people. Therefore, I get to see the two different personalities of the valley every single day. Perhaps they should rename the valley the "Schizo Valley," I'd say!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedCrank
    It's funny to consider that my neighborhood is a somewhat left-o-center family-oriented enclave in the foothills just out of the north end. So my day to day perspective of my neighborhood (and by association Boise) is one that pretty much parallels my sociopolitico bent.

    However when I watch the local news or travel through "core Boise", I think it's this town can be really weird in its majority of values. And then I peak through the trees and I see Simplot's hill and I feel like I'm looking at the Godfather's mansion.

    Speaking of Boise rants, this one centering on growth and Las Angelesazation of west Boise, would you believe that I've never actually been to Meridian? At least, not that I noticed. Heh.

    The local Spokane alternative paper recently did a whole issue comparing Boise and Spokane. No one really came out a winner, but the comparisons were pretty interesting. Boise got higher marks for arts, but lower on growth, Spokane got low marks for crime and high marks for I-don't-remember-what...
    It certainly generated a lot of letters etc.

    here's one of the articles, just for grins
    http://archive.inlander.com/archive_...er%0A%09%09%09

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    I like the tagline: "The Boise Mystique". They must be talking about the annual doubling in the number of strip malls near where I work over the past 3 years. Those used to be cow pastures...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Twist, you are by far not alone. I'd say the vast majority (if not all) of the people I know personally who ride have pretty much the same political/(non)religious feelings as you, I, and Buddha. (I understand that CBro falls into the "other" camp, not that I hold that against him.) That's what I like about being in Boise - it's a fairly politically moderate town, give or take the vocal religionazis. That said, I wish Brandi Swindell, Dennis Mansfield, Gerry Sweet, and the rest of the vocal religionazis would SHUT THE HELL up. I'm not sure if they understand what an embarassment they are to themselves, this town, and the state as a whole. Luckily, I'd say 90% of Boiseans don't take them seriously, so it's all good.

    Ah, the yellow ten commandments placards. They're nearly as annoying as the "Save the Cross" signs on everybody's lawn a few years ago. However, as I am all for free speech, I see no problem with those on people's lawns. When I see them, I laugh and think to myself - "well, there's another one of the brainwashed" and I go on my merry way to the brewpub!
    my way. I'll buy the next round at Lucky 13. Remember how I tried to get the SS bretheren to gather for happy hour at the Sports Pub & Grill? What happened to you guys? Boise has a great beer scene & nearly unlimited offerings when you factor in the co-op, the beer store at Eagle/Fairview, the place on Chinden/Eagle, et al. .

    I might be in a minority, but I happen to like diversity and the open debate of opinions, so I'm not pining over anybody "SHUTting THE HELL UP." Just let the marketplace of ideas sort it out each for his own. Wish we all fell in clean little stereotypes. I know I don't, and I'll bet most don't once you get to know them. I was one of the three law yours who defended the Tablerock Cross for the Jaycees both times it was challenged by sundry wackos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee
    I can get an Arrogant Bastard anytime from local taps in Cd'A, so I doubt that law exists.

    EDIT: And there's just a shite-ton of riding up here, and lots of friendly mtbers to ride with. My impression is that it's a very "have fun" minded group in general, vs stereotypical "racer types". And like formica said, the neo-nazi presence has dwindled to just about nothing. Homes aren't getting any cheaper in Cd'A, so get out here quick! The prices jump when the sun comes out too.
    We have a "No Rider Left Behind" policy in our circle, and being a Clydesdale, I usually ride sweep. Minimum of foamy pops ( beer) and chips and salsa post ride, to blakened steak and blackend Calimari ( for the not beef eaters) on toasted garlic french rolls, (hence the Clydesdale action) Some race, some meander, its all in how you want to enjoy your trail time,, and as close to religion as i get,,, sunday singletrack.
    We do a little "midnight full moon ride" on the Hiawatha every year, launching at midnight, and ending back at the trail head for sunrise, granted not a tough trail, but incredible with the full moon as the light, and only htting the Helmet Light for the Taft, and memosas and a full blown breakfast after ,,, ( trying to up the ante for the north)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt Tripps
    We have a "No Rider Left Behind" policy in our circle, and being a Clydesdale, I usually ride sweep. Minimum of foamy pops ( beer) and chips and salsa post ride, to blakened steak and blackend Calimari ( for the not beef eaters) on toasted garlic french rolls, (hence the Clydesdale action) Some race, some meander, its all in how you want to enjoy your trail time,, and as close to religion as i get,,, sunday singletrack.
    We do a little "midnight full moon ride" on the Hiawatha every year, launching at midnight, and ending back at the trail head for sunrise, granted not a tough trail, but incredible with the full moon as the light, and only htting the Helmet Light for the Taft, and memosas and a full blown breakfast after ,,, ( trying to up the ante for the north)
    Capt, you going to make the IMBA mtg on the 9th? I'll introduce myself... Here's me on devil's down at last year's 24 hr. You guys sound like a fun group. Calamari and brew post ride? Now, that's livin'!
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    Capt, you going to make the IMBA mtg on the 9th? I'll introduce myself... Here's me on devil's down at last year's 24 hr. You guys sound like a fun group. Calamari and brew post ride? Now, that's livin'!
    Hey Jube, looking good at the 24, I missed it but our crew was there. I was at the IMBA meeting in January, and plan on being there (unless the job has me out of the area)

    Here I am cooking at Farragut last Memorial Day Ride, I think it may have Blackened Halibut Tacos that day...
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    Hey Jube, looking good at the 24, I missed it but our crew was there. I was at the IMBA meeting in January, and plan on being there (unless the job has me out of the area)

    Here I am cooking at Farragut last Memorial Day Ride, I think it may have Blackened Halibut Tacos that day...
    Man, you guys do it up right! Hope those post-ride-cooking tendencies spill over to the IMBA group. See you in Feb.
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    I'm desperately dinking around getting a website put together for the new fftrc, our domain should be active next week. (www.fttrc.org) I'll annouce it of course, any of you folks good at web testing etc? I know enough to be dangerous, or to get really frustrated when I can't get the effect I want...

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    Quote Originally Posted by formica
    I'm desperately dinking around getting a website put together for the new fftrc, our domain should be active next week. (www.fttrc.org) I'll annouce it of course, any of you folks good at web testing etc? I know enough to be dangerous, or to get really frustrated when I can't get the effect I want...

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    Formica. we should be going live without MSN in about 3 or 4 weeks, our domain is registered www.lacticacidheads.com we will have to hyperlink to each others ride schedules as well. Only for sure on the schedule at this time is the Full moon ride in August. May do the JohnWayne trails as a easy 3 day tour in May. Will start our Wednesday night rides as soon as the trails open at FSP. ( and pwrdbylinix ankle heals up from the new years eve ride yard sale)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt Tripps
    Formica. we should be going live without MSN in about 3 or 4 weeks, our domain is registered www.lacticacidheads.com we will have to hyperlink to each others ride schedules as well. Only for sure on the schedule at this time is the Full moon ride in August. May do the JohnWayne trails as a easy 3 day tour in May. Will start our Wednesday night rides as soon as the trails open at FSP. ( and pwrdbylinix ankle heals up from the new years eve ride yard sale)

    Happy Trails to you,
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    I'm excited about getting a tour of FSP. The only time I was there I was seriously underwhelmed and I just know I didn't get to the right places.

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    I was one of the three law yours who defended the Tablerock Cross for the Jaycees both times it was challenged by sundry wackos.
    Well, at the risk of offending a fellow "law your" (yeah, I'm one too), you're calling the wrong party in those disputes the "wackos." I wonder how the Muslims, atheists, Buddhists, Hindus and all others who don't ascribe to a particular "christian" faith or belief feel about the omnipresent, glowing religious icon that hovers over our multicultural city. I'm all for private property rights (and, as I mentioned, first amendment free speech rights), but as a good christian (yeah, I'm one of those too) I feel that the Tablerock cross is over-the-top, in-your-face religious icon worshipping krap. Speaking of golden calf-type religious icons, It was so nice to see one of my fellow U of I law school classmates prosecute the stupid jackholes who did their little "sit in" around the ten commandments monument and WIN. Even better? The lawyer who defended the jackholes was also a law school classmate who has previously been in trouble with the state bar for insurance fraud. I guess jackholes attract other jackholes, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Well, at the risk of offending a fellow "law your" (yeah, I'm one too), you're calling the wrong party in those disputes the "wackos." I wonder how the Muslims, atheists, Buddhists, Hindus and all others who don't ascribe to a particular "christian" faith or belief feel about the omnipresent, glowing religious icon that hovers over our multicultural city. I'm all for private property rights (and, as I mentioned, first amendment free speech rights), but as a good christian (yeah, I'm one of those too) I feel that the Tablerock cross is over-the-top, in-your-face religious icon worshipping krap. Speaking of golden calf-type religious icons, It was so nice to see one of my fellow U of I law school classmates prosecute the stupid jackholes who did their little "sit in" around the ten commandments monument and WIN. Even better? The lawyer who defended the jackholes was also a law school classmate who has previously been in trouble with the state bar for insurance fraud. I guess jackholes attract other jackholes, eh?
    you get express your opinion without fear of arrest and anonymous . Even calling people you probably don't know --and might like if you met them-- any kind of names. Does that make you feel bigger? Superior? A true bigot? Think about that... you sound, at least, *very* prejudiced against a whole class of people, ie conservatives, republicans, or Christians, to the point of having to label them "stupid jackholes." Does this shallow dismissal protect you from deep-seated insecurities? Sounds very 60's Klannish, if you ask me. (OK, just having some fun)

    Remember, lots of people wanted Martin Luther King to just "SHUT THE HELL UP" when he was standing up (or sitting down, as the case may be) for what he believed in. Civil disobedience is an interesting topic to discuss on a rainy day. I didn't follow the 10 Commandments offenders, but figured if they chose to disobey the law and get themselves arrested, then they should pay the price and not expect some goofball to get them off by reading the Declaration of Independence as a defense.

    Re the 10 Commandments offenders "defense" I heard that the atty (and I've met the "gentleman") started quoting the Declaration of Independence verbatim when the judge shut him down. Wish I coulda been there. (I would have thrown tomatoes.) What does that have to do with "No Trespassing?"

    I wasn't on the wrong side of the cross. The RIGHT side (couldn't resist). I've thought it through very thoroughly. It was clearly a private property issue. But I defend your right to disagree and call me a Wacko. We all have the right to be wrong, as I prove all the time by being wrong on many points. Don't lose that passion, but you might win more to your side, (if that's your intention) by not being so quick to go redline against those with a differing opinon, eh?

    That's OK, I"m not threatened by a differing opinion, which is why I generally won't be quick to call names and attack others. Isn't life great?
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    That's OK, I"m not threatened by a differing opinion, which is why I generally won't be quick to call names and attack others. Isn't life great?
    CBro - Check your first post. You called those people who don't think that Boise should have a religious icon glowing over the city "wackos" first. I was just following your lead there, bud. It's all a matter of perspective as to who is a wacko or a jackhole, right?

    As for comparing the merry band of jackbooted, bible-thumping bigots like Henry Kulczyk, Gerry Sweet, Dennis Mansfield, Bill Sali, Kurt McKenzie, and Brandi Swindell to the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., you must really live on another planet than the rest of us. Protesting for equal rights under the constitution for racial minorities is not quite the same as seeking to ban gay marriage and attempting to force the display of a religious icon (the commandments) on public property (both the Statehouse and Julia Davis Park). Can I inquire as to what color the sky is in your world? As for the attorney who defended the bible thumping wackos, I stand by my statement regarding his ethics - go check the ISB discipline records for yourself. Surely the irony of him defending the jackholes isn't lost on you. Or, perhaps it is - again, you live in another world than I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    CBro - Check your first post. You called those people who don't think that Boise should have a religious icon glowing over the city "wackos" first. I was just following your lead there, bud. It's all a matter of perspective as to who is a wacko or a jackhole, right?

    As for comparing the merry band of jackbooted, bible-thumping bigots like Henry Kulczyk, Gerry Sweet, Dennis Mansfield, Bill Sali, Kurt McKenzie, and Brandi Swindell to the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., you must really live on another planet than the rest of us. Protesting for equal rights under the constitution for racial minorities is not quite the same as seeking to ban gay marriage and attempting to force the display of a religious icon (the commandments) on public property (both the Statehouse and Julia Davis Park). Can I inquire as to what color the sky is in your world? As for the attorney who defended the bible thumping wackos, I stand by my statement regarding his ethics - go check the ISB discipline records for yourself. Surely the irony of him defending the jackholes isn't lost on you. Or, perhaps it is - again, you live in another world than I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CBro
    Even calling people you probably don't know --and might like if you met them-- any kind of names. Does that make you feel bigger? Superior? A true bigot? Think about that... you sound, at least, *very* prejudiced against a whole class of people, ie conservatives, republicans, or Christians, to the point of having to label them "stupid jackholes." Does this shallow dismissal protect you from deep-seated insecurities? Sounds very 60's Klannish, if you ask me. (OK, just having some fun)
    Calling a spade a spade is not bigoted. Mansfield is a stupid jackhole. Further, wanting to insert a provision in the Idaho Constitiution to deny an entire class of people (gays) a right that is (or should be) fundamental to all adults in this country (the right to be married to one non-familial consenting adult partner of your choice) is bigoted and prejudiced. Additionally, demanding that people of other faiths, creeds, religions or beliefs accept the display of your own particular religious beliefs on property that is owned by the public is also a special form of bigotry, in a "hostile environment" sort of way. C'mon, man - how would you feel if, when you went to the courthouse or statehouse or some other public building, you were faced with the public display of moral imperitives from, say, the Koran? Wouldn't you rightly feel prejudiced against?

    As for deep seated insecurities, I believe that those who would force others to bend to their own brand of moral hostility are the ones with the "deep-seated insecurities." What do religious conservatives have against gays anyway? Why so much fear and/or hatred? Could it be...deep-seated insecurities?

    As for '60's Klannish, the proposed constitutional amendment banning gays from marrying looks and sounds suspiciously like the the old Jim Crow laws that banned blacks and whites from marrying - so who is the "Klansman" in this scenario?

    Once again, as was evidenced the last time this topic came up, you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on the influence of religion on local Idaho politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Calling a spade a spade is not bigoted. Mansfield is a stupid jackhole. Further, wanting to insert a provision in the Idaho Constitiution to deny an entire class of people (gays) a right that is (or should be) fundamental to all adults in this country (the right to be married to one non-familial consenting adult partner of your choice) is bigoted and prejudiced. Additionally, demanding that people of other faiths, creeds, religions or beliefs accept the display of your own particular religious beliefs on property that is owned by the public is also a special form of bigotry, in a "hostile environment" sort of way. C'mon, man - how would you feel if, when you went to the courthouse or statehouse or some other public building, you were faced with the public display of moral imperitives from, say, the Koran? Wouldn't you rightly feel prejudiced against?

    As for deep seated insecurities, I believe that those who would force others to bend to their own brand of moral hostility are the ones with the "deep-seated insecurities." What do religious conservatives have against gays anyway? Why so much fear and/or hatred? Could it be...deep-seated insecurities?

    As for '60's Klannish, the proposed constitutional amendment banning gays from marrying looks and sounds suspiciously like the the old Jim Crow laws that banned blacks and whites from marrying - so who is the "Klansman" in this scenario?

    Once again, as was evidenced the last time this topic came up, you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on the influence of religion on local Idaho politics.

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    All the people that tell you North Idaho is a good place to raise a family are just wrong!

    Nothing but skinheads, nazis, neo-nazis, compounds, religous zelots, killer bears, killer mountan lions, serial killers, rapists, serial rapists, crazed serial mountain lion rapists, nazi serial killers of rapist.... I could go on.

    Seriously though, if you are going to move to North Idaho tell people is is because you have joined a cult, nazi group, or whatever. Many people are moving here. To be honest I am selfish and would like it to stop

    It would be best if people continue to perpetuate the image of North Idaho as outlaw wilderness decrepit of any redeeming quality...
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    thanks for the good-natured reply,

    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    CBro - Check your first post. You called those people who don't think that Boise should have a religious icon glowing over the city "wackos" first. I was just following your lead there, bud. It's all a matter of perspective as to who is a wacko or a jackhole, right?

    As for comparing the merry band of jackbooted, bible-thumping bigots like Henry Kulczyk, Gerry Sweet, Dennis Mansfield, Bill Sali, Kurt McKenzie, and Brandi Swindell to the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., you must really live on another planet than the rest of us. Protesting for equal rights under the constitution for racial minorities is not quite the same as seeking to ban gay marriage and attempting to force the display of a religious icon (the commandments) on public property (both the Statehouse and Julia Davis Park). Can I inquire as to what color the sky is in your world? As for the attorney who defended the bible thumping wackos, I stand by my statement regarding his ethics - go check the ISB discipline records for yourself. Surely the irony of him defending the jackholes isn't lost on you. Or, perhaps it is - again, you live in another world than I do.

    I was a little concerned that I may have gone too far with a person I haven't yet met, and probably would like if I did. When I used the word "Wackos" it wasn't for a class but for 2 particular complainants who tried to tear the cross down on very spurious, even ridiculous grounds.

    When I said I would throw tomatoes, it meant at the goofball atty you referred to in your two posts. His partner is quite a piece of work, too, btw.

    I know you're probably still hurting from the election, so I'll let the personal attacks slide, and agree to disagree. With time and therapy Blue voters will get over it, and can come back in four years with a platform that has more appeal to it than just, " I hate Bush, I love gay marriage, I love abortion" as an appealing position, eh?

    I probably do live in a different world, but I don't think you would really understand what I mean by that. But I'd be happy to discuss any of this over a post-ride brewski, which leads me to my next point. Gman and I are trying to put a ss ride together this week, something short after work and local like Sidewinder. We'll see if it stays dry and cold enough to pull it off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Earthpig
    Calling a spade a spade is not bigoted. Mansfield is a stupid jackhole. Further, wanting to insert a provision in the Idaho Constitiution to deny an entire class of people (gays) a right that is (or should be) fundamental to all adults in this country (the right to be married to one non-familial consenting adult partner of your choice) is bigoted and prejudiced. Additionally, demanding that people of other faiths, creeds, religions or beliefs accept the display of your own particular religious beliefs on property that is owned by the public is also a special form of bigotry, in a "hostile environment" sort of way. C'mon, man - how would you feel if, when you went to the courthouse or statehouse or some other public building, you were faced with the public display of moral imperitives from, say, the Koran? Wouldn't you rightly feel prejudiced against?

    As for deep seated insecurities, I believe that those who would force others to bend to their own brand of moral hostility are the ones with the "deep-seated insecurities." What do religious conservatives have against gays anyway? Why so much fear and/or hatred? Could it be...deep-seated insecurities?

    As for '60's Klannish, the proposed constitutional amendment banning gays from marrying looks and sounds suspiciously like the the old Jim Crow laws that banned blacks and whites from marrying - so who is the "Klansman" in this scenario?

    Once again, as was evidenced the last time this topic came up, you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on the influence of religion on local Idaho politics.
    it kept me chuckling all morning. That's ok, Thomas Sowell explained the divide quite well in his book, "A Conflict of Visions." Re religious writings on public property, may I suggest you tear down the United States Supreme Court Building? That would be a good start. By your analysis of the TR Cross on private property, any one who didn't like a star of David in my living room would have the right to tear it out of my house, if he or she were offended. think it through. there's no real difference, except the size, and the fact that crosses are the target dujour of the left attack-dog-nazis.

    You're probably right. I was deeply hurt and disenfranchised every time I walked in Julia Davis Park, knowing that a 10 commandments monument was there (even though I didn't even know it was there). Thank goodness the reverend called City Hall and that prompted our Mayor to display his courage by immediately surrendering to a lone goofball from out of state.

    The outrage of the monument! Quick, call in the leftwing Nazis to resurface their attack on Judaism and exterminate this central statement of Jewish faith and life, this cultural icon, this historical marker, as well as one of the foundation stones of western civilization and law. Still picking on the Jews, are we, eh?
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    No offense to either of my fellow Idahoans, but this discussion really does belong in the political/socio/religious forum. The battlefield AKA forum 88.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee
    No offense to either of my fellow Idahoans, but this discussion really does belong in the political/socio/religious forum. The battlefield AKA forum 88.
    but when you're paid by the word to argue, it's hard to shut up. Riding? What's that again?

    Moving my rants to alt.right-wing.libertarianism, and will catch the others on their groups of choice, ie, alt.exterminate.christianity, alt.leftwingwhining, whatever.

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    I just figured it really made the north more attractive, but ya never know when ya will need a lawyer, so heck Now I am glad I found one that would be worth covering travel expenses for!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jubilee
    No offense to either of my fellow Idahoans, but this discussion really does belong in the political/socio/religious forum. The battlefield AKA forum 88.
    Unlike CBro, I'll take the high ground here and agree that we should BOTH shut up or take it to a different forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by debaucherous
    All the people that tell you North Idaho is a good place to raise a family are just wrong!

    Nothing but skinheads, nazis, neo-nazis, compounds, religous zelots, killer bears, killer mountan lions, serial killers, rapists, serial rapists, crazed serial mountain lion rapists, nazi serial killers of rapist.... I could go on.

    Seriously though, if you are going to move to North Idaho tell people is is because you have joined a cult, nazi group, or whatever. Many people are moving here. To be honest I am selfish and would like it to stop

    It would be best if people continue to perpetuate the image of North Idaho as outlaw wilderness decrepit of any redeeming quality...
    don't forget methampethamine, welfare and the dismal state of the public schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by formica
    don't forget methampethamine, welfare and the dismal state of the public schools.

    Hey isn't that how i started this response???
    one other thing, always look at the "custom" homes, many times custom means there is a mobil home somehwere in the middle... kinda like a jelly filled dougnut....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt Tripps
    We do a little "midnight full moon ride" on the Hiawatha every year, launching at midnight, and ending back at the trail head for sunrise, granted not a tough trail, but incredible with the full moon as the light, and only htting the Helmet Light for the Taft, and memosas and a full blown breakfast after ,,, ( trying to up the ante for the north)
    In case anyone else was looking for info on the Hiawatha:
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    Plan to ride it next week sometime.

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    Its funny to see this thread pop up again as we're now living in SEA-town.

    We're planning a WA-ID-MT road trip for the summer though.......
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