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    Quote Originally Posted by YamaLink View Post
    Those "tests" are a bit of an embarrassment. Two people trying a few bikes, doing a couple of downhill runs, and then thinking they can somehow express judgment ... and there is some real hubris going on, like saying that the HD5 "Doesnít feel like the race bike itís claimed to be" ... wow, they must be real pro riders!

    Pinkbike follows in a long tradition of biased or imaginary tests, and industry sponsored publications. Thank the gods for MTBR and community testing.
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    Traction Tune is not doing the HD5 any favours. If you want to rip a bike with authority you need support and control.

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    Something I find mind blowing is that a bike with 64 degree head angle and 1243 wheelbase (L) is being described as short and "aggressive trail", when just a few years ago HD4 launched with 64.9 HA and 1219 wheelbase (L) and people lost their minds over how slack and long it was.

    Anyone that owned that bike knew it was actually really versatile and I'm sure the HD5 is too, but these are hardly "trail" bikes compared to the optics and tallboys of the world!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creg View Post
    Something I find mind blowing is that a bike with 64 degree head angle and 1243 wheelbase (L) is being described as short and "aggressive trail", when just a few years ago HD4 launched with 64.9 HA and 1219 wheelbase (L) and people lost their minds over how slack and long it was.

    Anyone that owned that bike knew it was actually really versatile and I'm sure the HD5 is too, but these are hardly "trail" bikes compared to the optics and tallboys of the world!
    All these people do, in a honored tradition that started way back with Mountain Bike Action, is to read the manufacturer description, build up a bias, and then write something after having spent maybe half an afternoon on the bikes.

    For example the HD5, it is a 27.5 bike it has a "Traction Tune" , so it is not a "real racing machine" but instead an "easy going aggressive trail" bike, whatever those lists of adjectives mean. It is quite ridiculous actually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide View Post
    Those "tests" are a bit of an embarrassment. Two people trying a few bikes, doing a couple of downhill runs, and then thinking they can somehow express judgment ... and there is some real hubris going on, like saying that the HD5 "Doesnít feel like the race bike itís claimed to be" ... wow, they must be real pro riders!

    Pinkbike follows in a long tradition of biased or imaginary tests, and industry sponsored publications. Thank the gods for MTBR and community testing.
    I mean, they had a real pro rider, but he was slayed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creg View Post
    Something I find mind blowing is that a bike with 64 degree head angle and 1243 wheelbase (L) is being described as short and "aggressive trail", when just a few years ago HD4 launched with 64.9 HA and 1219 wheelbase (L) and people lost their minds over how slack and long it was.

    Anyone that owned that bike knew it was actually really versatile and I'm sure the HD5 is too, but these are hardly "trail" bikes compared to the optics and tallboys of the world!
    My every day "trail" bike in Colorado is a Stumpjumper ST 29er with a 67.5 degree HT angle, 1185ish wheel base, and 130mm front / 120mm rear. It handles Colorado trails outside of bike parks just fine. If the HD5 is in the same spectrum of "trail" bike as my Stumpjumper, then my mind is truly boggled. What does it take for a bike to get out of the everyday "trail" category?

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    Im guessing if the hd5 had been a 29r there would of been a different take on the bike.(Faster)
    The HD5 will be Ibis's worst selling bike..hands down. Sorry Robin that they did not build you a proper contender for the EWS. Carbon Ripmo AF in the spring?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck_tacoma View Post
    Traction Tune is not doing the HD5 any favours. If you want to rip a bike with authority you need support and control.
    Traction Tune won't take away support and control. You can still bump up the compression and rebound damping as you need, but the "open" is more "open". I loved it for trail riding. It worked great for tractoring over stuff on steppy, rocky climbs. At my weight (145 lbs), it is nice to be able to get that more open range in the settings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alwayslivingthedream View Post
    The HD5 will be Ibis's worst selling bike..hands down.
    Sadly this may be the case, and the paintjobs probably won't help. I would love to spend some time on a HD5 - the short-ish reach and slack-ish seat tube angle were my only real complaints with the HD4, but now I'm on a modern 29er it would be hard to hand over big money for a 650b bike again.

    I'll continue to ride my Ripmo while writing to Santa for a longer travel 29er "AF" with coil

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizango View Post
    Traction Tune won't take away support and control. You can still bump up the compression and rebound damping as you need, but the "open" is more "open". I loved it for trail riding. It worked great for tractoring over stuff on steppy, rocky climbs. At my weight (145 lbs), it is nice to be able to get that more open range in the settings.
    No..they haven't added more range. The suspension is tuned lighter overall.

    More aggressive or heavier rider may not get what they need. There have been a few reviews now that have commented on ibis new tune. HD5 and a Ripley review. Commenter on PB has sent his out for revalving.

    Good to hear, as a lighter rider, it's working for you. Sounds like you have the right tune for you. When I was XC racing I never got below 168. I'm usually around 185.

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    Frame protector pic

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    I saw the integrated fender to protect the linkage. I think itís safe to assume we will see something similar on the next Ripmo update.

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    I've heard they will send you one for your Ripmo. Send them an email.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck_tacoma View Post
    No..they haven't added more range. The suspension is tuned lighter overall.

    More aggressive or heavier rider may not get what they need. There have been a few reviews now that have commented on ibis new tune. HD5 and a Ripley review. Commenter on PB has sent his out for revalving.

    Good to hear, as a lighter rider, it's working for you. Sounds like you have the right tune for you. When I was XC racing I never got below 168. I'm usually around 185.
    I didn't say the added range, but as you said, it shifted. It is very common for people to run their suspension biased to being more open vs a lot of compression damping, so it makes sense to skew things so that you don't have to run it fully open and that's the best you can do. It gives you tuning options. I do think the Traction tuning is geared more towards trail use vs full blown racing. The heavier riders riding aggressively would naturally want a different tune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alwayslivingthedream View Post
    Im guessing if the hd5 had been a 29r there would of been a different take on the bike.(Faster)
    The HD5 will be Ibis's worst selling bike..hands down. Sorry Robin that they did not build you a proper contender for the EWS. Carbon Ripmo AF in the spring?????
    I hope youíre wrong but I agree. I love the HDís and have had a hd, hd3 and now Iím on the 4. I think the 5 is following the same evolution and has some legit improvements but the sadly the timing is off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizango View Post
    Traction Tune won't take away support and control. You can still bump up the compression and rebound damping as you need, but the "open" is more "open". I loved it for trail riding. It worked great for tractoring over stuff on steppy, rocky climbs. At my weight (145 lbs), it is nice to be able to get that more open range in the settings.
    It wasn't a quote, but you did say that it was possible to dial in more compression if you needed support. That may not be the case for a lot of riders. Especially the rebound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bandit350 View Post
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    I saw the integrated fender to protect the linkage. I think itís safe to assume we will see something similar on the next Ripmo update.
    Quote Originally Posted by canuck_tacoma View Post
    I've heard they will send you one for your Ripmo. Send them an email.
    I got one from Ibis and it made all the difference, no problems with rocks getting caught up in the linkage, which is a big plus since I ride on very rocky terrain. How it holds in the mud in regards to getting packed up is yet to be seen as I have not really gotten out in the mud yet.

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    I watched the review and it was disappointing, pretty sure it was not the bike. What is really beginning to bother me about this and other bike reviews/marketing hype is that most people don't ride in bike parks or race Enduro. For me, I want an all around bike that I can enjoy on the trails and feel confident on going downhill on. And yes, it is nice to dream that I ride the same bike as pro racers, although those moments are few and far in between.

    It is angering that almost all the reviews I see today are centered around going fast downhill, hitting big jumps and riding terrain that 90% of the riders I know don't ride on. Don't get me wrong, I get it, people want to dream of riding like that and bikes labeled enduro race ready are the big market hype. I ride a Ripmo, which is now being referred to as more of trail bike than enduro racer. Seems this shift is unfounded since some of Ibis's enduro race team has been riding it at the EWS events this year and have been holding there own.

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    I find that the Bike BOB reviews tend to be more trail oriented while PB is more DH/enduro

    BIKEís BOB review of the HD5 should be out next week.

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    I read/watched the PB review of the HD5 and thought it came out pretty good. I'm not going to race enduro so a solid all rounder that can climb well and descend well sounds great. I even like the colour which the PB folks seemed to take issue with.
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    I think the review is honest and doesnít seem overly negative. Not every bike needs to be a DH rig that can climb. The HD5 sounds like a killer all arounder, much like the Ripmo and Ripmo AF.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusBrody View Post
    I mean, they had a real pro rider, but he was slayed.
    It is just the whole process that is what it is: two people expressing their bias about widely different bikes.

    The judgment is so tilted and the writing lacks so much editorial supervision that it is kind of funny. For example the Yeti that obtained the fastest "timed runs" but is summarized with the warning: "if you want outright speed look elsewhere".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide View Post
    For example the Yeti that obtained the fastest "timed runs" but is summarized with the warning: "if you want outright speed look elsewhere".
    As they've stated in every video in the series, the timed runs were performed on different days in different conditions and are not intended to be objective "measures" of each bike's performance. The Yeti was timed in the dry, some of the others were timed in the wet.

    Personally I thought the field test videos were incredibly useful. I'm strongly leaning toward an HD5 next year because of them.

    I've no idea where the negativity in this thread is coming from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoCo View Post
    As they've stated in every video in the series, the timed runs were performed on different days in different conditions and are not intended to be objective "measures" of each bike's performance. The Yeti was timed in the dry, some of the others were timed in the wet.

    Personally I thought the field test videos were incredibly useful. I'm strongly leaning toward an HD5 next year because of them.

    I've no idea where the negativity in this thread is coming from.
    Yet they based their entire decision based upon the individuals experience of being "2%" slower on the DH run. It is clear in the review that they would rather "ride" the Mojo HD5, but "Descend on the 29ers."


    Shocking that a 170/170 29er is a monster descender...

    Question is, which bike would you ride on a 25 mi / 4000+ ft day.

    They should have called the test the "Enduro Race bike" Category.

    What the heck is 2% slower? How about some times? Hell, I am 10% slower on the first run of the day on a new bike until its Dialed and I am used to what I am on (unless of course it is magically dialed to my preference.

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    Jason Lucas should have been on XL not L, but despite that still chose the HD5 as the bike he wanted to spend some more time on..

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    Pinkbike's HD5 review

    Not everyone will like every bike. Some people will find the HD5 is a flaming turd of crap, others will love it. Find the bike that works for you and move on. People read reviews and get such nonsense in their heads. When I had a Wreckoning people would ask if the seat tube was too slack? My reply, never noticed. See me on my Ripmo, blow through travel too fast? My reply, never noticed. Best advice, ride for yeeself and make your own opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chowdapilot View Post
    Not everyone will like every bike. Some people will find the HD5 is a flaming turd of crap, others will love it. Find the bike that works for you and move on. People read reviews and get such nonsense in their heads. When I had a Wreckoning people would ask if the seat tube was too slack? My reply, never noticed. See me on my Ripmo, blow through travel too fast? My reply, never noticed. Best advice, ride for yeeself and make your own opinion.


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    100% agree on this... I'm an ibis fan had 2 ibis bikes before I switched to the 29 jeffsy. I have been riding it for almost 3 years now and it's been great. I'm in the hunt for a new one and eyeing the ripmo, but then I guess I should wait for the newer version of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chowdapilot View Post
    Not everyone will like every bike. Some people will find the HD5 is a flaming turd of crap, others will love it. Find the bike that works for you and move on. People read reviews and get such nonsense in their heads. When I had a Wreckoning people would ask if the seat tube was too slack? My reply, never noticed. See me on my Ripmo, blow through travel too fast? My reply, never noticed. Best advice, ride for yeeself and make your own opinion.


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    As a rule, I avoid reading any reviews on a bike until after I have ridden it. I then also know whether to completely write off a reviewer for all future reviews because we have different tastes in bikes.

    Every now and then I come across someone who explains a bike exactly how I experienced it. I have found most reviews to be utterly useless, especially "vs." reviews as I have been looking to narrow my recent decision.

    Ive been looking at an SB5.5 vs HD4 vs. Ripmo and have spent a full 3 day weekend on all three. (also 3 days each on a 2020 Primer, and Hightower)

    I finely found a reviewer who described the Ripmo exactly how I experienced it and it was at that moment that I remembered how " right the bike felt for me and decided "that's the bike."

    I think people should spend a full weekend on a bike before ever making such an investment or have LOTS of experience on a similar bike.

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    Here's some serious HD5 Porn! Damn.. that looks fun
    JKW's review is much better IMHO - Cheers

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    Agreed...but if you start seeing a pattern in multiple reviews than it's probably a good guess that it's true. I've demo'd some bikes after seeing reviews and noticed things they had brought up. Then it's up to me to decide if it makes or breaks the purchase.

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    Told you BIKEs review would be to totally different then PB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo View Post
    Told you BIKEs review would be to totally different then PB.
    They actually have a decent process to test bikes at BIKE ... really curious to see if Ibis releases an updated Mojo 3 along the lines of the HD5 ...
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    Lots of bias, bias against pink bike 😀

    Actually a good and fair review, and in line with other reviews I saw/read. Makes me want to test this bike since I need an upgrade, it's on my list.
    They make many good points, like possible water bottle compatibility which I didn't hear from anyone else.

    Testing 160mm bike in a bike park is perfectly fine, it's a good way to put a lot of downhill time in a short period, and the focus on 160mm bikes should be more on the down than up. The reason I ride a 160mm bike is that I can ride parks on the same bike I ride on the XC trails.

    Bible of the bikes review is also fine, more a trail perspective.

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