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    The name "Tranny"

    This is the post I've dreaded writing for two years. But here goes.

    I feel really uncomfortable with the name "Tranny" for a bike. I know what a "tranny" is in mountain biking, it's a transition, like "flat to down tranny." Alas, whenever I see the Tranny mentioned in social media like Facebook, that isn't what people joke about.

    And, the jokes are really ugly jokes. Jokes that are as far removed from the beauty and joy of riding an Ibis that I can imagine. I have, from time to time, attempted to remind people that their jokes are hurtful and cruel to the people who are trans-gendered. I think about that a lot, because I know someone who is transgendered and a cyclist.

    Be that as it may, when I step back and look at this purely as an Ibis rider, I see a problem. Names obviously matter. They evoke emotion. They hint at the product's experience.

    If a name kicks off a tangent like these jokes, with or without people arguing about whether the jokes are appropriate, the name is not doing its job. Thinking about gender reassignment is not thinking about cycling. It seems to me this is not serving the Ibis brand well.

    I recently thought about buying an old (26") Tranny again. I used to have one, I loved it, it was like a big, light BMX on the trails. I rode it with a 120mm fork, dropper post, and flats for a good long while, that was fun



    Then I switched to clips, and and a rigid carbon fork, I got it down to about 17 pounds and it was an absolute blast to ride in a different way. Who cares if 26" wheels don't roll as well as 29" wheels when the bike is so quick to take flight over roots and rocks?

    I think my Tranny was the most fun bike I've ever ridden. I will never forget it.

    But every once in a while, someone would make a comment about the name. Not often, you know, just once in a while. And I've learned to change the subject. It's just a joke, and most people aren't trying to be mean and ugly to other human beings, and we're at the trail, so why have a discussion about how those words are hurtful to someone else?

    But while some other person is making their joke, and while I'm changing the subject, we aren't talking about the joy of riding one of the finest and most fun bikes ever. And truth be told, that's what I want the name on my bike to say to people.



    I also have a Mojo. It could be that unbeknownst to me, Mojo also troubles someone. But if so, it certainly has never come up in conversation. People love my bike, and every conversation about it is about how awesome it is to ride an Ibis.

    In the end, I decided not to get another Tranny. The wheels I saved for it are in my shed. Obviously the name is not the only reason, I took the budget for a new frame and spent it on something else that also brings me joy, so there were a bunch of things I was weighing.

    But the name has been bothering me from just about the first time someone joked about it, and I guess today is the day that I wanted to be open about how I feel.

    Yours with love for the Ibis community, &c. &c.

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    If the name offends you or you feel uncomfortable about how it offends others, vote with your wallet. If others feel badly about who they are based on the name of a bike they don't own, that is named after a trail feature, that can sometimes be used ignorantly in another fashion given its double meaning (and no I do not condone bigotry in any fashion), well I am sorry for where they look to attain their self worth.

    Words only carry the meaning of the animus the deliverer intends and there is no ill intent here by Ibis. Your real beef is with the bigots you encounter in your area.

    If you look to be offended, you will find offense in everything. Let's get back to bike talk on a bike forum please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithrider View Post
    If the name offends you or you feel uncomfortable about how it offends others, vote with your wallet.
    That is a roundabout way of saying, "If you don't like it, GTFO." My experience with clubs, forums, societies, families, companies, tribes, and all sorts of places where people do things together, is that this is not a constructive dynamic.

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    I think the OP is in fact talking about bikes.

    It also seems obvious that while the Tranny name might refer to a trail feature, but was picked as a double meaning because the bike is designed to be run as either geared or SS. Duh.

    My view is that this is a term that was relatively innocuous when Ibis chose it as the name of this bike, but that has become less so over time. The amazing revolution in the way our society views alternate sexualities vs. hand-wringing over PC policing of the language; I'll leave that for another thread.

    My point: I totally see where the OP is coming from, and if I were Ibis I would have given that model a new name upon the refresh that just happened. That wouldn't keep me from buying one, but from a business perspective it makes no sense to have a product name that some find offensive. This term is labeled as a slur in the dictionary.com and wikipedia definition.

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    I'm with smithrider on this. Sorry man, but if the name makes you uncomfortable because you think it makes a statement, then just don't buy the bike. Or do buy the bike - cause it's an awesome bike - and if someone makes a degrading comment about it at the trailside, use it as an opportunity to engage them in discussion about why that comment is offensive.

    The problem is bigotry and prejudice in the community, not with the name of the bike. It's when people start to attach value judgments and context that is offensive. So instead of changing the subject - why don't you confront them about it instead? Cause I think making it clear that being transgender is not something to be ridiculed is a far better strategy than changing the subject.

    Or just don't buy the bike. But let's not change the name of the bike just so we can avoid uncomfortable conversations at a trailhead.

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    I'm absolutely not saying that Ibis should have X in the past or should Y in the future. And despite my personal experience with the name, I very nearly bought another one last month, so I'm invested in the issue, but not THAT much.

    It is absolutely correct to say that the problem is with the bigots who make terrible jokes, and I am not a bigot, so I can sleep at night.

    But at the same time, part of how society changes is that when people see something, they speak up. It isn't always necessary to take it to the point of being angry, or denouncing anybody, sometimes it's a little thing like saying, "just so you know, this is my experience."

    Owning an Ibis has been and continues to be a joy and a blast. I love the work Scott, Jeff, Hans, and whomever else are doing. I have had nothing but good experiences with Duke's Cycle, my local Ibis dealer, with other Ibis owners, and with this Ibis forum on MTBR.

    Maybe it's because I love you all so much that I dared to say something about my discomfort.

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    I'm with Raganwald. It is far too easy for all of us to accept words within the frame of our own cultural context and experience. For the most part, we do not mean anything ill by our use of them. But we aren't thinking from the lens of those who are affected. Yes, it is a somewhat socialist/leftist perspective, and you may not agree with those politics. But I have worked in marketing and still do to some extent. Product and service names need to be laboured over and in the end, the decisions are made to fit the primary target audience. In this case, riders. I'm convinced that's what they did. But the smart marketers do take into consideration words that are culturally ignorant (meaning -- without knowledge) and perhaps they should have with the Tranny. I would have because it is my job to ensure my company's reputation is as spotless as possible. I have made decisions to change things because of an unlikely, but still remotely possible, racial misinterpretation, so why not weigh other communities, too. More than 40% of transsexuals attempt suicide; sadly, just about 100% have thought about it. Why? Because of the perspectives we all have pushed out -- without intentionally meaning to do it -- and the can't see how they fit into "our world." Well, shouldn't "our world" be theirs, too? Great post, Raganwald -- uncomfortable topic for a lot, but a really important one to have. Thanks for going out on a limb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raganwald View Post
    That is a roundabout way of saying, "If you don't like it, GTFO." My experience with clubs, forums, societies, families, companies, tribes, and all sorts of places where people do things together, is that this is not a constructive dynamic.
    I am sorry you decided to attached a GTFO interpretation to my comment. There was no roundabout meaning to my direct statement. I am merely saying, like with any other thing in life besides death and taxes, if you don't like it, don't do it or purchase it. There is no "f" word or anger involved with opting out of a product or community. There are several products or communities that don't fit with me, but that doesn't mean they are giving me the middle finger. Not everything is for everyone.

    If it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you. Please don't project a pejorative message into my vote with your wallet statement to fit your narrative.

    I respect your opinion and appreciate your concern for equality, but we will agree to disagree on this one. Enjoy the day!

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    Ok, smithrider, if that's not what you meant I apologize for my misinterpretation.

    Anyways, yes, I obviously can vote with my wallet, but speaking up is an orthogonal choice. We could just as easily be having the opposite conversation: "Hey, why don't you ride a Tranny any more?" "I was uncomfortable with the way people would make jokes about the name instead of talking about the ride." "Ah. Did you ever mention that?" "No, I just moved on..."

    Any ways, it's an excellent bike, made by excellent people. This is a small issue in many ways for me. I realize it's a big issue for some, but hey, let's be realistic: I went ahead and bought a Mojo to replace my old Tranny, and then I very nearly bought another Tranny 26er just for the hell of it.

    I'm not protesting, or writing a sternly worded criticism of Ibis, I'm just writing a single post about my perspective, and suggesting that the name can be a distraction to the brand. That's a slightly different point than whether it's offensive.

    And we absolutely can go back to discussing the great Ibis experience. Although I haven't told Ibis what to do about the Tranny name, I can most assuredly offer them unsolicited business advice:

    Partner up with someone that does adventure vacations and offer "Ibis Vacations." A chance to go to some bucket-list cycling destination and ride Ibis bikes with fellow Ibis owners.

    As you can see, I am not anti-Ibis.

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    Whether or not you agree or disagree with the OP, surely we can recognize that ibis might benefit from this feedback, that a certain segment of their constituency finds the name uncomfortable / inappropriate. Market research, right? Seems worth having the discussion at any rate.

    Personally, I think the potential risk of offending someone would outweigh the benefits of the droll pun, and if I were the business owner I wouldn't take that risk.

    Respect to the OP for raising the issue.
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    Ibis has always had witty names. From the "moron" tubing to the "handjob" cable hanger, they were always just being playful. At the end of the day, the bikes are exceptional in build quality, design, and they ride like nothing else.

    There will always be a$$holes in life, and they'll latch onto any opportunity to showcase their talents. If the few jerks out there make comments about the name, just drop them on the next climb. You're on an Ibis afterall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelly_NH View Post
    If the few jerks out there make comments about the name, just drop them on the next climb.
    I must say, the Tranny was an exceptional climber. People told me that a large was too small for me (I'm 6'3" or thereabouts). People told me how 29" wheels had so much more traction on our loose, sandy climbs. People told me that the 29" wheel rolled over the roots that would stop a 26' wheel dead on steep, technical climbs. People told me how the right gear was essential to being able to complete the "Wall of Pain" located on one of our regular rides.

    And yet... More often than not, I was first up the climb on my SS Tranny while the others struggled. Damn fine bike.

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    "Mojo" is indeed very troubling, as it names an online gathering place for Austin's least informed/experienced/skilled/tolerable and most vocal e-riders/cheap-a$$es/ IMBA-sackriders/complainers. I refer to my bike as "it", "this", or "HD". The Harley Davidson parallel is way less troubling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    "Mojo" is indeed very troubling, as it names an online gathering place for Austin's least informed/experienced/skilled/tolerable and most vocal e-riders/cheap-a$$es/ IMBA-sackriders/complainers.
    Although the original meaning for most purposes goes back to a Voodoun "Mojo Bag," these days most people probably do think of "Austin" when they hear the word "Mojo..."


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    Who said the name had anything to do with swapping genitalia? Tranny can also refer to someone who likes wearing clothing that the opposite sex wears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg K View Post
    Tranny can also refer to someone who likes wearing clothing that the opposite sex wears.
    True, a less-frrequent but perfectly valid use of the word is as slang for a transvestite, but that's a bit of a "Well, actually" in this context.

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    The name only has the power that you put into it. How many companies have the strength to use a name that has overt homosexual tones in society? The fact that they use it in a non derogatory manner should be a very positive influence. Nobody is complaining about the Philadelphia Eagles or the San Diego Padres saying it is a negative influence on Christianity or the symbol of the United States.

    If you respond by saying something positive instead of going along with it you would have an effect one person at a time. There is power with individual action.

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    The name "Tranny"

    The name doesn't bother me, I see it same as salespunk.

    However if I owned ibis I probably would have changed the name just to avoid this kind of controversy. There doesn't seem to be anything gained, but there is the potential to turn off some customers.


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    I came up with the name, so I'll take responsibility for the flack. Sorry.

    In my mind it started as Transformer. Then I thought of the trail feature, the slang for transmission, then transvestite as in the movie Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. I thought that backing off from using the name would give more power to the negativity out there.

    Ibis as a company is very inclusive and this is a small gesture that says it's no big deal unless you make it one.

    I admit that at the time I had never heard tranny used for transgender, and evidently sometimes negatively. We've heard from transgender people on both sides of the issue. That it's sometimes used negatively is unfortunate, but we stuck with it, because the name is so descriptive of what the bike is and a lot of people know what it is, since it's been around for a number of years.

    Here's a question - If the name Tranny is no good, what would you name this bike?
    I'll give a formerly known as Tranny frame to the winner : )

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    The name "Tranny"

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    The name "Tranny"

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    Transmogrifier (Calvin and Hobbes tribute, plus keeps the "tran" part of the name)
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    Drewbird what if you crash the bike and the J rubs off? I find anus extremely offensive !
    Growing up in England to me Tranny is short for 3 things : transvestite, transmission and transition. And what if you have an aversion to phlegm ? They have to change the name of their cross bike ? The world has gone too PC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
    Transmogrifier (Calvin and Hobbes tribute, plus keeps the "tran" part of the name)
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    I'm a big fan of Transmog (shortened from Transmogrifier)

    World of Warcraft has been using it where you can change the appear of gear and I personally love the Calvin and Hobbes reference.

    +1 for that name, even if I don't get the frame.

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    [QUOTE=DrewBird;11621176]Transmogrifier (Calvin and Hobbes tribute, plus keeps the "tran" part of the name)

    this...

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    Why not simply name it "the bike formerly known as Tranny".

    Tr*nny would be my second proposition but that sounds a bit too complicated.

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    If you think osf the chain adjuster as a "Slider". That could be a good name with two meanigs.

    Or how about something to do with new features of the 29er versions belt drive abilities.

    Belt Drive Super Machine. Too long just use the initials.

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    Ibis Flip-Flop. I had Evolve on here and it was pointed out that someone else had used the name so I have removed it.
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    Didn't or don't Ellsworth make an evolve ?

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    Call it the Ibis 2 Way. Ss or geared. I'm a size large thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    Didn't or don't Ellsworth make an evolve ?
    You are correct. My bad. Made change to my post.

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    The name "Tranny"

    It will be hard to come up with a name as good as Tranny. Aside from its descriptive nature and the trail feature reference, it just rolls off the tongue, and, let's be honest with ourselves...the edgy or taboo aspect has always been part of the appeal. With Hand Jobs, and Limp *****, and Trannies in the lineup, ibis has always felt like part of the peanut gallery at the back of the class, irreverent, and maybe just a little smarter than the teacher, keeping life from being SOOOOOO BORRRRING. Isn't that a good thing? Or maybe I have the mentality of an eighth grader... If we just stop using a word because some bigots use one of its several meanings to abuse some fellow humans who are different from them, are we advancing a cause? I don't know...just asking...
    If the term has become broadly recognized as pejorative toward transgender people, then it should definitely go. I don't know if that's the case though.
    If the bike were never called tranny, we wouldn't be having this civil conversation about the rights of transgender people. Would that be a good thing?
    Hmm, deep thoughts for a Sunday morning. Kudos to you, Raganwald, for putting on this highly flammable suit.

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    The name "Tranny"

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    The name "Tranny"

    Or maybe switchblade


    Doismellbacon makes some good points as well . I feel like this topic is being discussed rationally and politely, it says a lot about the folks here in the ibis forum, this thread could easily have gotten ugly on a different forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    It will be hard to come up with a name as good as Tranny. Aside from its descriptive nature and the trail feature reference, it just rolls off the tongue, and, let's be honest with ourselves...the edgy or taboo aspect has always been part of the appeal. With Hand Jobs, and Limp *****, and Trannies in the lineup, ibis has always felt like part of the peanut gallery at the back of the class, irreverent, and maybe just a little smarter than the teacher, keeping life from being SOOOOOO BORRRRING.
    Totally agree of course, and the edgy names are part of the irreverent, ride-more-work-less Ibis vibe that we all love. But, I think the difference is while names like the Hand Job are just kinda funny and profane, they're not considered slurs by anyone.

    I agree that Tranny is a great name. Ibis could always just make that the unofficial nickname. Change the model name to Transmogrifier, with its Calvin & Hobbes reference and impossible number of syllables, and let everyone refer to it as the Tranny. That makes it obvious that the nickname isn't intended to make fun of transgendered people, plus adds to the in-the-know, wink-wink community vibe we all love.

    (Or call it the Transformer, Transubstantiator, Transcender, Transmountainator, Transfer, Trans___; same logic applies.)

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    The name "Tranny"

    I like transmountainator.


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    The Ibis Waffler. Can't decide if you want a rigid bike, a hardtail, a single speed? What about a carbon belt drive?

    If, like most of my friends, you find yourself waffling all of the time, with all of the uncomfortable choices . . . then get yourself an Ibis Waffler, and you can waffle all of the time.

    The bikes should all come with a stack of Belgian Waffles too . . .

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    The name "Tranny"

    We need a cabinet level agency to make sure something like this never happens again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
    But, I think the difference is while names like the Hand Job are just kinda funny and profane, they're not considered slurs by anyone.
    Good point.

    I like all your name suggestions too. Maybe Ibis could have 6 or 8 different variations on the "trans" theme, and use them all interchangeably on the bikes... I know, not very mass-production-friendly, but when you brought your new "tranny" home, you'd never be quite sure what you're getting until you remove the wrapper....

    OHHH OHHH..... "The Crying Game"! How 'bout that?

    Actually, that sounds more like a cyclocross bike to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by dacarbon View Post
    The Ibis Waffler. Can't decide if you want a rigid bike, a hardtail, a single speed? What about a carbon belt drive?

    If, like most of my friends, you find yourself waffling all of the time, with all of the uncomfortable choices . . . then get yourself an Ibis Waffler, and you can waffle all of the time.

    The bikes should all come with a stack of Belgian Waffles too . . .
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    We need a cabinet level agency to make sure something like this never happens again.

    Hahaha! Both solid gold.

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    Unbelieveable how darn political correct people in our country have become. I am not even sure the name should offend someone who is a transsexual. It is there choice to become one. If they aren't comfortable being one they shouldn't be one. Give me a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by procos View Post
    Unbelieveable how darn political correct people in our country have become. I am not even sure the name should offend someone who is a transsexual. It is there choice to become one. If they aren't comfortable being one they shouldn't be one. Give me a break.
    Umm, I don't think I would call feeling, from birth, like you'd been born into the wrong body, and trying to live happily with that and figure out where you fit in in this society, as it is, a choice... more like the hand you got dealt

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    I totally understand that for people living in some areas -- who have never met a transgender individual, and are unlikely to -- this seems like a trivial or overwrought concern. I'm sure that many could say "tranny" all day long without concern of offending someone. However, there are other areas -- like the SF Bay Area where I live for example, just down the road from Ibis HQ -- where this isn't the case and the default is to treat everyone with respect, all the time. Would you want some aspect of your identity to be the target of a joke, particularly when you're already facing challenges & prejudices on a daily basis? I think not. The point is that context matters.

    In the grand spectrum of pejorative terms, "Tranny" is admittedly one of the more mild ones. A prominent SF drag club night called "Trannyshack" just recently went through the same thing, deciding to change its name after 20 years of operation. And even in this case it wasn't clear cut: plenty of folks locally made the argument that in the right context "Tranny" had been reclaimed as a label & was no longer pejorative. Anyway, if anyone's curious to hear the full story, it's covered pretty well here.

    I think the big issue here is for Ibis to decide: when you sell a product you have no control over where it goes, what context it's received in, who might be encountering it. You lose control of the message to a certain extent. So is it worth the risk that the product reflects poorly on the company, even if this is going to be in a very rare set of instances? Tough call.
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    I like Hans' choice- formerly known as Tranny-- FKAT

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    I don't know if Ibis want a line of bikes that invoke MAGIC.

    You could have gone with a deadbeat name like Drop-out.

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    The name "Tranny"

    Wow. I'm super impressed how ugly this didn't get. And then the great response from Ibis?

    Bravo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Quint View Post
    Wow. I'm super impressed how ugly this didn't get. And then the great response from Ibis?

    Bravo.

    Bike names:
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    Yes, the Ibis forum is rad. Kind of an island of reasonable in an ocean of wtf.

    There are some good names in this thread!

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    Ibis Titaint "Tranny It Ain't" That should be a safe bet.

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    Chupacabra.[
    My uncle is a chupacabra so I take offense to this.

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    Ginger used to be the name of a spice, but now it refers to red headed people. I am dreadfully afraid that if I refer to a gingerbread house this Christmas season, I might hurt someones feelings as they think of a house full of red heads. I think the spice formerly called ginger should now be called razmataz.

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    I nominate Hans to win with the name "Transformer." Obviously, another company has taken the name of the trail feature, and if the lawyers don't complain that it's too close to the branding of a cartoon and loud action movie franchise, it seems to fit the Ibis cheeky playfulness spoken about.

    It is, after all, DECEPTive to CONventional minds,and AUTOmatically works for BOTh gears and single speed.

    No matter what happens with the name, I really just wanted to be heard, and I feel like the MTBR Ibis community listened. Sometimes, that's all that really matters, the feeling that others listen and consider your experience, even if they don't change their own mind in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Quint View Post
    Wow. I'm super impressed how ugly this didn't get. And then the great response from Ibis?

    Bravo.

    Bike names:

    Dual - I don't know why, but this offends me
    Multipass - disgusting
    Two Way - reminds me of three way, which is bad, bad ,bad
    Shapechanger - clearly the work of the devil
    Changeling - The DEBIL!
    Trickster - Do I have to say it?
    None of the above will work, obviously.

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    Before we worry about if someone is offended by a name, shouldn't we decide if they should be offended?

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    Park Tool makes a Frame Alignment Gauge that they use an acronym for, like many of the other tools they make. It's called the F.A.G. and if you really want to get your panties in a bunch you should bump this old thread:

    http://forums.mtbr.com/recycle-bin/d...ls-871837.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    My uncle is a chupacabra so I take offense to this.
    Ok so he's not really a chupacabra, but he kind of looks like a bat and has legs like a kangaroo, so I'm upset, ok?

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    I'm sorry if I offended anyone who is offended by the idea of other people taking offence at the offensive things said by social offenders. My excuse is that I was raised by my single mother, who was a Colonel in the Militant Wing of the Salvation Army.

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    Don't change the name! It is great to see a company that can have a laugh, I mean Vitamin P was named after the colour your pee is when taking Vitamin tablets!

    POW had the Shocker bike gloves and there did not seem an uproar about that.

    Maybe Ibis can give people the option to buy the bike without Tranny written on it so people when asked can just say it's an Ibis hard tail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    Before we worry about if someone is offended by a name, shouldn't we decide if they should be offended?
    Yeah, that's really not how slurs work, I'm afraid.

    And surely even you can see the difference between "irreverent" names and words that are considered slurs by a specific group? The Hand Job, Shocker, Vitamin P, Hakkalugi etc. are irreverent. They might offend prudes. But we're no prudes, we're cool! No problems here.

    Here's a whole essay by a transgendered person explaining how & why they consider "Tranny" to be a slur:
    The 'T' Word*|*Jennifer Finney Boylan

    This seems pretty f*cking clear to me.

    (I can fake-swear because I'm no prude.)

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    I think the only time I ever used the word tranny was to refer to a transmission. But I'm sure someone could decide to be offended by that.

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    I think the only time I ever used the word tranny was to refer to a transmission.
    Yeah, me too.

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    I'm deeply disappointed that in response to hearing that some people are struggling with this word, some of you are choosing to belittle or dismiss their feelings and concerns.

    To a certain extent, this reflects the fact that these words have no particular loaded meaning to you, much as they don't provoke a strong emotional response to me. So to you, it's no big deal, and therefore anybody raising the issue is being "oversensitive" or perhaps is "choosing to be offended."

    And if you can choose to be offended, you can choose not to be offended, so what is the big deal?

    But the point is to realize that other people have different experiences than yours, and something that is no big deal to you is a big deal to them. It may be that you do not think Ibis should change the name, and you do not think there is anything wrong with using the name to refer to a bicycle.

    But you could always say, "Yes, I understand that those people have this feeling, but nevertheless I do not support changing the name."

    That is a very different thing than saying "Those people shouldn't feel the way they do."

    When you invalidate their experience, you take a problem created by bigots and hateful people, and compound it by saying that the victims of bigotry and ignorance are wrong to feel slighted.

    I 100% get people saying "Yes, well, sure, that word means something awful when somebody says it in a certain context, but it means something else in the context of the name of a bicycle." I've owned and loved a Tranny for three years, I understand that argument.

    But I really don't think we need to invalidate the way other people feel to talk about what happens when people encounter the name, or whether Ibis should or shouldn't change the name of the bike.

    For what it's worth, I am not suggesting Ibis should do anything, I just wanted to share how uncomfortable I felt whenever some bigoted person used my beautiful bicycle's name as an excuse to spew some hateful and vile jokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raganwald View Post
    For what it's worth, I am not suggesting Ibis should do anything, I just wanted to share how uncomfortable I felt whenever some bigoted person used my beautiful bicycle's name as an excuse to spew some hateful and vile jokes.
    Intentional or not, starting this thread was doing exactly this, compelling a name change by Ibis. I saw the inevitability of it when I read your post the other morning.

    There is some vitriol in some posts and some posts are just well posited arguments that others may or may not agree with, and hence take as negative.

    Personally, not much would anger me more than seeing someone precluded, discriminated against, or otherwise made to feel lesser for any reason. I am an outspoken person and you would find me being the absolute first person at the trailhead addressing those that chose to belittle your friends. I wish everyone to go through life with as little stress as possible and in the most fulfilling fashion.

    By the same token, I do get disappointed when I see messages of equality become too PC (in my opinion) and too diluted in that we are striving to change something that had no negative intent or connotation. I do believe there is a risk in this type of battle in that excessive PC can turn people off to a certain cause, when there may be legitimate support to be lent in the future by those turned off (again, excessive and legitimate is defined by my opinion here). It dilutes the rallying cry when there are true injustices to be fought.

    Also, I am not suggesting that the name does not bother you, I presume it does and I don't want to invalidate your feelings. But my opinion is that not everything is going to jive with everyone, and as long as there is not malicious intent behind it (like a strictly discriminatory word like the N word with no other acceptable day to day use in society), just move along because fault can be found in a lot of things if you look hard enough. So where does this end.

    Case in point given three other bikes my family currently owns. Should Specialized change the name of the FatBoy given those with glandular disorders cannot control their weight and the corresponding health issues that arise that shorten their lives and reduce their ability to ambulate. I own an Intense Uzzi. Should people that suffered terrible losses in Sandy Hook, Columbine or similar take similar issue. How about my wife's Trek Farley, which draws a parallel between the size the bike's tires to a man who had impulse controls issues that made him equally large and may have contributed to his untimely death (along with drugs). These are just product examples in my own garage in the product category in question. I look further around my house and I can find myriad other things that may offend a certain group unintentionally and with no malice behind them.

    I respect your opinion, I respect you and give you credit for having the cajones to broach the topic. I give equal to Hans for deftly handling the situation, given the name change does change some heritage at his company and will cost some coin. I have personally met him and he is just a standup guy! The point to my posting was to offer the counter perspective to the potential slippery slope of PC and my opinion on choosing battles where there is a deserving opponent. I hope I didn't insult you or make you feel badly; that was not my intention.

    I am unsubscribing to this thread at this point but look forward to seeing the new steedís name when its release. Be well all and just ride!!!

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    The name "Tranny"

    Well it was going well for a while.


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    What a stupid thread. It is a freakin' name of a bike. Man do I long for the days of the '70's and '80's when people had a back bone and weren't so darn offended by stupid stuff. I could care less if you are gay, straight, transsexual or transvestite. Do whatever floats your boat. Whatever makes you feel good. But for pete's sake can our society just give all this PC stuff a break. God forbid if we hurt someone's feelings. What a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    I think the only time I ever used the word tranny was to refer to a transmission. But I'm sure someone could decide to be offended by that.
    Oh ****, I forgot about that.

    So am I not aloud to say Tranny when referring to transmissions now too. I mean I guess I could see how a trans-gender person overhearing my conversation about automotive transmissions could take it as a slur directed at them, after all there is very little difference between a Tremec T5 and a human being. Easy to confuse the two or at least as easy to confuse as the difference between a bike and human.
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    The name Tranny doesn't bother me, but I'll play your game, Hans.

    Considering the slot machine on the back, and its role in its versatility, let's go with the Ibis Jackpot!

    You could also go with Cherry, because it feels like your first time, every time. That plays nicely with the slot machine as well.
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    If Hans is really giving a frame away, how about:

    Ibis Contortionist

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    but don't change the name!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mallanaga View Post
    The name Tranny doesn't bother me, but I'll play your game, Hans.

    Considering the slot machine on the back, and its role in its versatility, let's go with the Ibis Jackpot!

    You could also go with Cherry, because it feels like your first time, every time. That plays nicely with the slot machine as well.
    That would insult all the Virgins, can't use Cherry.

    It would also insult Muslims, instead of getting 72 virgins in heaven, they'd get 72 of the same bike- no variety.
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    Sorry but this post is exactly what is wrong with this country. When directed at a human, yes I agree with you, but extending that to include a name of a bike is honestly stupid.

    This crap has to stop. It's gotten so bad, that one of the young, fresh out of school teachers my daughter had made 'Easy' a four letter word in her class. You know, if you say something is easy for you, you may hurt the feeling of someone that is struggling with it.
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    I think Backslash is a good name for the bike...

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    I think Backslash is a good name for the bike...
    Nope, anyone that's been a victim of a knife attack would be sent into a fetal position once you rode pasted them with that name on the frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twotone View Post
    sorry but this post is exactly what is wrong with this country. When directed at a human, yes i agree with you, but extending that to include a name of a bike is honestly stupid.

    This crap has to stop. It's gotten so bad, that one of the young, fresh out of school teachers my daughter had made 'easy' a four letter word in her class. You know, if you say something is easy for you, you may hurt the feeling of someone that is struggling with it.
    roflmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by challybert View Post
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    You're laughing, but this is what is going on in schools now a days.

    Kids are not allowed to exclude anyone, they have to play together. It's no longer ok not to like someone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carlozzz View Post
    I think Backslash is a good name for the bike...
    Go with Backlash instead

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    You're laughing, but this is what is going on in schools now a days.

    Kids are not allowed to exclude anyone, they have to play together. It's no longer ok not to like someone.
    Oh, I'm well aware. I've got a 9yr old daughter in the indoctrination camps, too.

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    The Ibis Crybaby.

    I think we have a winner.

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    Steve, I think we all got your points already.

    The OP had something to say and said it in a rather courteous manner. Now, I think the Tranny is just fine as a name of the mountainbike in question, but if someone else thinks it's not totally OK, I think it's worth a discussion. Since the manufacturer has representation in this thread and is also cool with the discussion, would you mind backing off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saul Lumikko View Post
    Steve, I think we all got your points already.

    The OP had something to say and said it in a rather courteous manner. Now, I think the Tranny is just fine as a name of the mountainbike in question, but if someone else thinks it's not totally OK, I think it's worth a discussion. Since the manufacturer has representation in this thread and is also cool with the discussion, would you mind backing off?
    If you think its worth a discussion, then buzz off because that's what I'm doing. Request denied.


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    Oooh, what about Shape Shifter. Shifter, as in gears but the intials are SS as in Single Speed.

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    So now I'm confused! Am I commiting a hate crime every time I ride my tranny? Jk of course. I never would have thought that someone would be offended by a bike name!


    To the op, it's best to let your money talk. You don't like what a company does, don't buy their products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuenstock View Post
    To the op, it's best to let your money talk. You don't like what a company does, don't buy their products.
    IMO, as a business owner, that's a reason to change the name. Has anyone bought the bike just because of the name? Probably not, but some people may Not have bought it cause of the name. This is America, profits come before the rest of the BS.

    How bout the Ibis Dirty Sanchez? J/K of course.



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    Quote Originally Posted by fuenstock View Post
    So now I'm confused! Am I commiting a hate crime every time I ride my tranny? Jk of course. I never would have thought that someone would be offended by a bike name!


    To the op, it's best to let your money talk. You don't like what a company does, don't buy their products.
    In today's candy assed society we are creating breathing is a hate crime against someone.


    Notice: This post was not directed at or in anyway meant to offend anyone named Candy.
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    Thanks for starting the thread - I've loved my tranny 26 but was never crazy about the name.

    My suggestion: The Yin Yang. I'd put Yin on one side of top tube and Yang on other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phat_tony View Post
    Thanks for starting the thread - I've loved my tranny 26 but was never crazy about the name.

    My suggestion: The Yin Yang. I'd put Yin on one side of top tube and Yang on other side.

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    So Ibis can insult millions Chinese now?
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    The name "Tranny"

    Has Ibis consulted this ugly little bastard about the use of its name, more commonly referred to in Australia as a "Dump Bird"



    personally l dont think they have, and he looks offended, and for all we know he may be transexual and/or a transvestite, geez Ibis have gone too far this time
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    How bout Utility?

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    The name "Tranny"

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    Ibis Rupelosi.......say it slowly.Yup, I'm certain that's the answer.

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    My general rule of thumb is that if a historically marginalized group considers a term to be offensive, I avoid using it. That way I don't end up like my grandpa who didn't understand why all these young people got so upset when he used words like fa**ot.

    I'm not in tune with the LGBT community enough to know what the status of "tranny" is. It sounds like some do consider it offensive. (Obviously that was never Ibis' intent). But if that is the case, then what can possibly be gained for a company like Ibis from retaining the name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    My general rule of thumb is that if a historically marginalized group considers a term to be offensive, I avoid using it. That way I don't end up like my grandpa who didn't understand why all these young people got so upset when he used words like fa**ot.

    I'm not in tune with the LGBT community enough to know what the status of "tranny" is. It sounds like some do consider it offensive. (Obviously that was never Ibis' intent). But if that is the case, then what can possibly be gained for a company like Ibis from retaining the name?
    There's one and only one meaning for ******, much different than a term that has multiple meaning long before it was used as a derogatory term against trans gender people.

    So I disagree and find this to be a prime example of PC taken to stupid extremes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    There's one and only one meaning for ******, much different than a term that has multiple meaning long before it was used as a derogatory term against trans gender people.

    So I disagree and find this to be a prime example of PC taken to stupid extremes.
    Actually ***!ot has more than one meaning (bundle of sticks), as does the word f!g (cigarette), but I would not go around calling people either one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    Actually ***!ot has more than one meaning (bundle of sticks), as does the word f!g (cigarette), but I would not go around calling people either one of them.
    No one is calling anyone a tranny. Its the name of a bike! And being offended makes as much sense as being offended by a british guy smoking a "[email protected]" in an old movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
    Yeah, that's really not how slurs work, I'm afraid.

    And surely even you can see the difference between "irreverent" names and words that are considered slurs by a specific group? The Hand Job, Shocker, Vitamin P, Hakkalugi etc. are irreverent. They might offend prudes. But we're no prudes, we're cool! No problems here.

    Here's a whole essay by a transgendered person explaining how & why they consider "Tranny" to be a slur:
    The 'T' Word*|*Jennifer Finney Boylan

    This seems pretty f*cking clear to me.

    (I can fake-swear because I'm no prude.)
    The person who wrote this article, Jennifer, is offended to be called a tranny. But she also points out about the word:

    RuPaul, America's most famous drag queen, uses it with abandon; so does Kate Bornstein, our most respected genderqueer activist.
    Also note, the article mentions nothing about bicycles.

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    OP - serious props for being honest and sharing your thoughts.

    As far as names, what about:
    -Proteus: A shape changing Greek God
    -Protean: adj, tending or able to change frequently or easily; able to do many different things; versatile.

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    How about the Ibis Taint? It taint just a geared bike and it taint just a single speed.

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    The bike has already been named. It's called the Tranny.

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    The bike has already been named. It's called the Tranny.
    Case closed!

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    Ibis Rayon

    How about the Ibis Rayon?

    Rayon was an alternative to Silk many years ago, and lets face it, the bike is as smooth as silk (under the right rider).

    However, Rayon was also the transsexual character played by Jared Leto in Dallas Buyers Club.

    For those of us that know the origins of the bike, itís a subtle tip of the hat to the bikeís original name and a reminder of the need to be considerate and tolerant of the issues that those in the GLBT world face. To anybody unfamiliar with the bike, itís simply a cool (IMHO) name.

    I live in Sydney where the GLBT community is the second largest in the world and am fully aware through my wide range of friends of the discrimination and ignorance that they can face through either other peopleís lack of knowledge or inconsiderate actions (or lack thereof). Spreading a little consideration goes a long way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    No one is calling anyone a tranny. Its the name of a bike! And being offended makes as much sense as being offended by a british guy smoking a "[email protected]" in an old movie.
    Have it your way. We can create bike a model called "the f!g" and argue that the name is OK because we really mean "smokin' fast." No one should be offended because it's the name of a bike, not something we are calling a person. And besides, it's a term that predates any modern pejorative use. All good?

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    In keeping with the "o" theme like a Mojo I propose the Ibis " Cambio" (change in Spanish) or a play on the word with funky spelling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    Actually ***!ot has more than one meaning (bundle of sticks), as does the word f!g (cigarette), but I would not go around calling people either one of them.
    LOL this is why it's so stupid, Who's is saying it's ok to call someone a tranny? It's a name of a bike or slang used to describe another object. That's why the PC crowd is so ridiculous.
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    I also like "Schizo" but that might be offensive the mentally ill. 😕

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    Like Prince maybe a "symbol" then we can call it the bike formally known as Tranny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    LOL this is why it's so stupid, Who's is saying it's ok to call someone a tranny? It's a name of a bike or slang used to describe another object. That's why the PC crowd is so ridiculous.
    Perhaps you could clarify your argument for me? Do you think it would be OK to call a person a tranny? You suggest not in your response above, but I'm not sure. If your answer is "no," then it seems likes your argument hinges on (A) the fact that we are describing a bike and not a person and (B) the fact that the word "tranny" can have multiple meanings. Is that correct?

    What about my thought experiment above:

    We can create bike a model called "the f!g" and argue that the name is OK because it's a bike named after a cigarette, not a gay person. We really mean "smokin' fast." Since it's a name we attach to a bike and not a person and a word that has multiple meanings, no one should be offended. And besides, f!g it a term that predates any modern pejorative use.

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    The name "Tranny"

    Whatever happens to the name, I've been looking for a sweet single speed specific frame for a while. Preferably light enough to race, potentially run geared, and NOT have an EBB. The tranny fits the bill perfectly. I honestly never would have know much about this bike if it weren't for this intriguing thread. If I go searching for things with the word tranny in it, my wife gets suspicious, so my research on this bike was zero until now.
    Thanks for the info on a sweet bike and an enlightening discussion on viewing the world from others perspectives.

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    The name "Tranny"

    How about the Ibis XTends (racy and descriptive of the chain stays)

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    The name "Tranny"

    Ps I used to call my 'cross bike RuPaul.

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    I think any name bringing a lack of commitment and therefore an openness to ongoing change to mind would be a solid choice:

    Ibis Fickle
    Ibis Capricious
    Ibis Mercurial
    Ibis Flighty
    Ibis Moody
    Ibis Spasmodic

    Somebody already mentioned the Ibis Waffle which I think is also great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    If you think its worth a discussion, then buzz off because that's what I'm doing.
    Gee, repeated demonstration of blunt unwillingness to understand the other point of view and trolling with "name suggestions" like Crybaby is a discussion now?

    And a neg-rep to me for calling you out on your total lack of constructiveness?

    Thanks for proving my point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saul Lumikko View Post
    Gee, repeated demonstration of blunt unwillingness to understand the other point of view and trolling with "name suggestions" like Crybaby is a discussion now?

    And a neg-rep to me for calling you out on your total lack of constructiveness?

    Thanks for proving my point!
    If you proved a point, it's that you are a moron.

    And my not having or agreeing with the OPs point of view is perfectly valid and absolutely necessary for a constructive conversation.
    Without a contrary point of view, this thread wouldn't be a discussion, it would be nauseating therapy session.

    And I'll stick with my name nomination of Crybaby. That would be a great name for the bike. If you don't like it, suggest something else. What are you, the name judge now? Name judge and self appointed censor?
    Again, buzz off.

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    The name "Tranny"

    +1 for Alter Ego

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    If you proved a point, it's that you are a moron.
    Keeping it classy!

    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    And my not having or agreeing with the OPs point of view is perfectly valid and absolutely necessary for a constructive conversation.
    Without a contrary point of view, this thread wouldn't be a discussion, it would be nauseating therapy session.
    Had you bothered to read and digest my post, you would have seen that I also disagree with the OP's position. I'm on your side of the debate, I only disagree with your way of conveying the message, which now seems to include personal insults as well.

    As for me suggesting something else, I'll stick to my previous statement that "Tranny" is just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    Perhaps you could clarify your argument for me? Do you think it would be OK to call a person a tranny? You suggest not in your response above, but I'm not sure. If your answer is "no," then it seems likes your argument hinges on (A) the fact that we are describing a bike and not a person and (B) the fact that the word "tranny" can have multiple meanings. Is that correct?

    What about my thought experiment above:

    We can create bike a model called "the f!g" and argue that the name is OK because it's a bike named after a cigarette, not a gay person. We really mean "smokin' fast." Since it's a name we attach to a bike and not a person and a word that has multiple meanings, no one should be offended. And besides, f!g it a term that predates any modern pejorative use.
    Yes I do believe that. But I wasn't raised to be a _____. My mom immigrated to this country and went through a lot. She taught me to be strong not weak. So what someone I don't know and who doesn't know me says to or about me has no meaning in my life. Now if someone I know and respect like a friend says something- that has meaning.

    We are teaching people to be to damm sensitive. So what if someone on the street calls me a spic- it has no meaning in my life unless I give it meaning.

    This poster sums it up succinctly:
    Quote Originally Posted by cmg71 View Post
    lets just remember that people choose to be offended
    talk about first world problems
    The double standard around the N word is a perfect example of this. Spoken black to black it's ok and not taken as a slur. White to black and its a slur. If it's as you define it then it should be a slur no matter who says it- but its not. It's the person who chooses to see it as a slur or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d3toid View Post
    Oooh, what about Shape Shifter. Shifter, as in gears but the intials are SS as in Single Speed.
    Can't have SS, the Jewish community wouldn't be pleased...

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    Alright, I think I've nailed it:

    The Ibis Off-Ender

    Offender as its current name offends some people, as the bike is so good that it offends the competition, but most importantly, the end of the bike can be taken off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossmaxx View Post
    Alright, I think I've nailed it:

    The Ibis Off-Ender

    Offender as its current name offends some people, as the bike is so good that it offends the competition, but most importantly, the end of the bike can be taken off!
    awesome.

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    "The Hammer".

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazspeed View Post
    "The Hammer".
    Nope, people have been killed by hammers, we don't want to traumatize them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Nope, people have been killed by hammers, we don't want to traumatize them.
    ummm, they are dead, but I spose we dont want their spirits traumatized
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    Wow,

    Keep the name and sack it up.

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    Off-Ender....
    That's pretty damn good

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    Have seen a couple of Tranny's in local listings and the only reason I ended up thinking of the name in a sexual nature is due to having read this thread.

    So have I found issue with the name... No. Would the name prevent me from purchasing one... Probably not (not big on Tranny's). Do I find the name offensive... No.

    Trans gender is the correct name, and what I'd use if I were to ever have a discussion about someone's sexual orientation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmg71 View Post
    ummm, they are dead, but I spose we dont want their spirits traumatized
    yea that what a get for trying a quick one liner. I meant traumatize their loved ones. You never know, someone on the trail may have had a loved killed be a hammer, why do that to them riding by on a bike called the hammer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossmaxx View Post
    Alright, I think I've nailed it:

    The Ibis Off-Ender

    Offender as its current name offends some people, as the bike is so good that it offends the competition, but most importantly, the end of the bike can be taken off!
    Dude, you should win the frame for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D_Man View Post
    awesome.
    Quote Originally Posted by doismellbacon View Post
    Off-Ender....
    That's pretty damn good
    Quote Originally Posted by andlp View Post
    Dude, you should win the frame for this.
    Cheers guys! I hope Hans likes it too

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    yea that what a get for trying a quick one liner. I meant traumatize their loved ones. You never know, someone on the trail may have had a loved killed be a hammer, why do that to them riding by on a bike called the hammer.
    There goes my second choice of "The Homicide".
    Yeah this PC stuff is absolutely ridicules.

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    always mad and usually drunk......

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    The name "Tranny"

    Whether the frame name changes or not, I also think the "Off-Ender" should get a frame.

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    How about the "Roxy" after the designer?

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    Ibis SwitchHitter, because it goes both ways.

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    Ibis Hans and Franz

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    "Ibis Dividor"

    • the perfect bike to ride the Divide (cue Jefe winning by 2 days; conveys instant heritage and grand purpose)
    • it Divides into halves for travel via suitcase (unique in the world of carbon hardtails since they can't be split by S&S couplers, this is a defining feature and deserves more emphasis than Tranny made clear anyway, IMO)
    • it Divided public opinion with its original name (inside nod)
    • singlespeed OR geared
    • chain OR belt

    Hey, that sounds like a heck of a bike! Y'all should send me one.

    I'll also share a quick on-topic story...

    The original Tranny is what brought me into the world of Ibis back in 2012. I was researching travel-friendly (ideally, folding) mountain bikes and the Tranny surfaced. I was fascinated and tracked down a nearby demo. Strangely, nobody else seemed interested in 26-inch hardtails, so Kirk just kept sending me back out, for two days straight.

    Loved the bike but didn't pull the trigger because I just couldn't see myself actually taking it apart 150-200 times a year to store in our RV compartment as I had then envisioned. (Of course I've since figured out how to wedge a Mojo HDR in the compartment without any disassembly in about 60 sec--a true packaging miracle!).

    Anyway, point of this story is that MsFoldsInHalf took an instant dislike to the name Tranny when I first showed her the info. Didn't declare it offensive exactly--more like creepy. Mainly, she just failed to "appreciate" the clever juvenile humor involved like I did.

    Fast forward a few years, where I recently spotted a used T26 in size Small for sale pretty cheap. Thought it might work for MsFolds (who doesn't ride 100s of times a year) and mentioned the ad. She wasn't ever too keen on me riding something called a Tranny, but she really couldn't see herself riding one and wondered if maybe we could put a sticker or something over it.

    So while this is not exactly a "hard" data point, I can see where Ibis might actually lose sales over just the name.

    The name never bothered me since I just took it as mildly "provocative" and it never occurred to me to wonder if it might be an offensive word. Now that it is clear to me (and Ibis) that the very word is indeed considered offensive to those who "own it", I agree that Ibis should make a change.

    The marketing opportunity to enjoy a whole second round of publicity is hard to resist too: "Ibis does a cool thing!" while further defining the unique divided character of the bike...
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    FYI, we considered naming a bike "the Racist" once, but decided against it...

    I've taken all the proposed names and put them in a big list and we'll go through them and see what happens. Thanks all!

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    Well, now that that is squared away, I think I'll start a thread in the Santa Cruz forum about how the name Tallboy might be offensive to some tall people, or maybe short people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    Well, now that that is squared away, I think I'll start a thread in the Santa Cruz forum about how the name Tallboy might be offensive to some tall people, or maybe short people?
    Might even cause recovering alcoholics to relapse. I mean think about it, they're out riding getting really thirsty. When they're loading up at the trail head to head home, they're mercilessly exposed to that TALLBOY on the top tube and it gets them thinking of how good a tallboy would taste at this time. So instead of heading home, they hit the closest bar and off the wagon they go. All because Santa Cruz are such *******s to name a bike Tallboy.

    All joking aside Hans I will lose any respect for Ibis if you cave to this stupid PC movement that is infecting this country like a virus. I won't give Specialized a dime of mine anymore, I won't give Ibis one either if you change the name. I know it means little, but I vote with my wallet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Might even cause recovering alcoholics to relapse. I mean think about it, they're out riding getting really thirsty. When they're loading up at the trail head to head home, they're mercilessly exposed to that TALLBOY on the top tube and it gets them thinking of how good a tallboy would taste at this time. So instead of heading home, they hit the closest bar and off the wagon they go. All because Santa Cruz are such *******s to name a bike Tallboy.
    You are right. I got thirsty just reading your post!

    All joking aside Hans I will lose any respect for Ibis if you cave to this stupid PC movement that is infecting this country like a virus. I won't give Specialized a dime of mine anymore, I won't give Ibis one either if you change the name. I know it means little, but I vote with my wallet.
    I know it seems dumb, but on the other hand, Tranny isn't a very good name anyway.

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    One picture, one line. No whining. Something about YOUR last ride. [o]

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    "The Racist"- a bike for the discriminating rider!! I'm afraid to ask what colors were planned.
    now that's funny
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    Howard Stern used the term Tranny while interviewing Michael Phelps alleged "intersexual" (new term for me) ex-girlfriend.

    Paraphrase:

    Howard:
    Ralph hangs out with all kinds of tranny's.

    Girlfriend and Robin:
    That's not a good word!

    Howard:
    What? I've met lots of trannys and they call themselves trannys!

    Robin:
    That's like people using the word nigga. It doesn't mean you can use it.

    Howard:
    Well how was I supposed to know? I'm losing track of all the words I'm not supposed to use. Now I'm not supposed to say retard, or midget, or tranny?
    (words he uses all the time)

    lol.

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    The name "Tranny"

    Wait a minute, what the hell is an "intersexual"?

    Never mind, I googled it and wish i hadn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hanssc View Post
    FYI, we considered naming a bike "the Racist" once, but decided against it...

    I've taken all the proposed names and put them in a big list and we'll go through them and see what happens. Thanks all!

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    Hi Hans,

    Any updates on the Tranny name/renaming?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crossmaxx View Post
    Hi Hans,

    Any updates on the Tranny name/renaming?
    Really? Who gives a shit. It's a bike frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Really? Who gives a shit. It's a bike frame.
    Couldn't have said it better myself. The hypersensitivity of people in our current world is so ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by procos View Post
    Couldn't have said it better myself. The hypersensitivity of people in our current world is so ridiculous.
    It's only getting worse. I read that during a long grind of interviews about the new Avengers movie, an interviewer asked how the two actors felt about Scarlett Johansson's character trying to hook up with them in the movie.

    They made an off the cuff joke about her being a whore. People were upset and they had to apologize. Yes it's gotten to the point that morons are getting upset when Fictional characters in a movie are called a whore.


    God I feel bad my kids have to grow up with all these ...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    It's only getting worse. I read that during a long grind of interviews about the new Avengers movie, an interviewer asked how the two actors felt about Scarlett Johansson's character trying to hook up with them in the movie.

    They made an off the cuff joke about her being a whore. People were upset and they had to apologize. Yes it's gotten to the point that morons are getting upset when Fictional characters in a movie are called a whore.


    God I feel bad my kids have to grow up with all these ...........
    ^ this x a million.
    I guess if you wanted to piss people off you could name it "The Jenner". It changes from a hardtail to an all mountain machine.

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    Now you're talking.

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    We still have the list and haven't done anything.

    There are good arguments on both sides for keeping the name or changing it. On one hand we don't want to needlessly offend people or put them off of the brand or model. On the other hand, you seemingly can never make everyone happy, words only have as much power as you give them and intent and context counts for a lot.

    In the mean time we have finished frames in stock, so there are no changes planned for anytime soon. The Tranny transmogrifying offender bicycle frame lives on....

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    Hans - the original HD is offended by the fact that it's been supplanted by a superior model in the HD3. Please cease to make the HD3 in order to appease the HD. Thanks!

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    Read some of ^ before work this am, thanks for all the laughs. Hans I'm with Ibis because not only do you guys make awesome bikes but Ibis IS different. I just love the vibe I feel from your company. I love the name and don't care if you change it, but please only change it if YOU want to.
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    Tranny? That's what I have in my 68 'Vette and 70 Charger. 4 speed tranny's, ones a rock crusher the other is a hemi box. The tranny's gets all the power to the ground just like the non-suspended Ibis Tranny. Even my Grandfather told me to he had to switch out his tranny when he burned it out.


    What are you other folks talking about? Never heard about another meaning. Heck, I even googled 4 speed tranny's and all I got was pictures of transmissions.


    must be one of those new things the kid's talk about on facebook or something....

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    Talk about poorly chosen bike names, don't forget about Helkama White Power!

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    Looks like this model has been retired. Considering the generally inclusive nature at Ibis, one could easily conclude that the name wonít be back on their rumored next hardtail.

    Owner of an HD4 here, and Iím stoked for what'll hopefully be a competitor to the new Chameleon and ever-evolving Honzo's.

    I realize comments here are 3+yrs old, and hopefully some folks who've commented have evolved their attitudes towards trans people.

    Especially as trans people are more frequently stepping into the public light, often to ridicule and dismissiveness that mirrors some language in this thread. Language and false equivalencies that dehumanize our fellow human beings.

    Human Rights Campaign has been attempting to quantify assaults against and murders of trans people since 2016. Hopefully reading some of these cases will help us all add a little humanity and empathy back into our perceptions of people we may not even realize share the same workspace, same family get-togethers, same bathrooms, and even same trails as ourselves:

    https://www.hrc.org/resources/violen...munity-in-2018

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    Quote Originally Posted by kurtz433 View Post
    Looks like this model has been retired. Considering the generally inclusive nature at Ibis, one could easily conclude that the name wonít be back on their rumored next hardtail.

    Owner of an HD4 here, and Iím stoked for what'll hopefully be a competitor to the new Chameleon and ever-evolving Honzo's.

    I realize comments here are 3+yrs old, and hopefully some folks who've commented have evolved their attitudes towards trans people.

    Especially as trans people are more frequently stepping into the public light, often to ridicule and dismissiveness that mirrors some language in this thread. Language and false equivalencies that dehumanize our fellow human beings.

    Human Rights Campaign has been attempting to quantify assaults against and murders of trans people since 2016. Hopefully reading some of these cases will help us all add a little humanity and empathy back into our perceptions of people we may not even realize share the same workspace, same family get-togethers, same bathrooms, and even same trails as ourselves:

    https://www.hrc.org/resources/violen...munity-in-2018

    Written in respect - k
    My attitude toward trans people hasn't changed. Don't care, I believe in whatever floats your boat is your business not mine.

    That said my attitude also hasn't changed about stupid people looking for offense everywhere. PC people are worse than Specialized's team of trademark lawyers.

    It's a bike frame, only someone that loves living life as a victim could possible associate it to trans people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Sorry but this post is exactly what is wrong with this country. When directed at a human, yes I agree with you, but extending that to include a name of a bike is honestly stupid.

    This crap has to stop. It's gotten so bad, that one of the young, fresh out of school teachers my daughter had made 'Easy' a four letter word in her class. You know, if you say something is easy for you, you may hurt the feeling of someone that is struggling with it.
    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    You're laughing, but this is what is going on in schools now a days.

    Kids are not allowed to exclude anyone, they have to play together. It's no longer ok not to like someone.
    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    My attitude toward trans people hasn't changed. Don't care, I believe in whatever floats your boat is your business not mine.

    That said my attitude also hasn't changed about stupid people looking for offense everywhere. PC people are worse than Specialized's team of trademark lawyers.

    It's a bike frame, only someone that loves living life as a victim could possible associate it to trans people.
    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Might even cause recovering alcoholics to relapse. I mean think about it, they're out riding getting really thirsty. When they're loading up at the trail head to head home, they're mercilessly exposed to that TALLBOY on the top tube and it gets them thinking of how good a tallboy would taste at this time. So instead of heading home, they hit the closest bar and off the wagon they go. All because Santa Cruz are such *******s to name a bike Tallboy.

    All joking aside Hans I will lose any respect for Ibis if you cave to this stupid PC movement that is infecting this country like a virus. I won't give Specialized a dime of mine anymore, I won't give Ibis one either if you change the name. I know it means little, but I vote with my wallet.
    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    It's only getting worse. I read that during a long grind of interviews about the new Avengers movie, an interviewer asked how the two actors felt about Scarlett Johansson's character trying to hook up with them in the movie.

    They made an off the cuff joke about her being a whore. People were upset and they had to apologize. Yes it's gotten to the point that morons are getting upset when Fictional characters in a movie are called a whore.


    God I feel bad my kids have to grow up with all these ...........

    He won't give Ibis another dime if they change the name of the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klasse View Post
    He won't give Ibis another dime if they change the name of the bike.

    Ride More, Whine Less.
    What's your love affair with me? Done trolling Ibis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    My attitude toward trans people hasn't changed. Don't care, I believe in whatever floats your boat is your business not mine.

    That said my attitude also hasn't changed about stupid people looking for offense everywhere. PC people are worse than Specialized's team of trademark lawyers.

    It's a bike frame, only someone that loves living life as a victim could possible associate it to trans people.
    This. So much this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klasse View Post
    He won't give Ibis another dime if they change the name of the bike.

    Ride More, Whine Less.
    The irony is unreal in this post.

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    any word on another ibis hardtail coming? hopefully they keep the name

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