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    Mojo HD XL'rs Full Build Weights?

    I'm looking into building a Mojo HD now that they have the 140 option. I live in CO so I'd like to ride 140/140 for most of my foothill riding, and 180/160 for my epic or downhill days. I'm 6'3" so I'm thinking XL frame with a 50mm stem. The XL frame is going to add some weight, though, and I want to try and keep this thing light but still be able to tolerate 180/160 era abuse. Certainly I'm going to have to do '11 Talas 180 so the 5.37 lbs of claimed weight places me up there too.

    So anyway...some thoughts I'd be interested in feedback on:

    1. Wheels - on my current bike I've got Hadley/Sapim Double Butted/ZTR Arch rims, and the rear wheel has taken a beating. I've dropped weight down to 170 lbs, but still not confident in these rims. It looks like if I change to DT 240s hubs I can build the spokes up and go with the ZTR flow rim and stay at 1700 grams for the wheelset. That's a 1/2 lb lighter than the Iodines....thoughts?

    2. 1x9? Looking at potentially doing an Actiontec 1x9 cassette with 11-39 ratio, Widget guards, and a 32t ring. This will allow me to cut 1 lb. of weight while still covering almost every gear I use. For big climb days I could always throw on a 28t middle, for big descent days I could always throw on a 36t middle, every other day = 32t middle....thoughts?

    3. What's the best bet for light weight stem and bars for downhill type terrain? I've only had XC bikes in the past so a Thomson / Easton Carbon doesn't seem to be a smart pick here?

    Any other thoughts? Am I crazy here? Can I get this thing in the 28-29 range and still handle the beating?

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    My build:
    XL frame
    Rp23 shock
    Lyrik Coil u-turn fork
    I9 Enduro wheels with Flow rims. 1700grams? Not a chance.
    XT cranks
    990 cassette
    Elixir R brakes 203/185
    X9 shifters and rear der
    XT front der
    e13 DSS chainguide
    Race Face carbon SIXC handlebar
    Hussefelt 60mm stem
    OURY lock-on grips
    Specialized phenom saddle
    KS 950r seatpost (for the few rides it's actually worked )
    Front tire Conti Rubber Queen 2.4 UST
    Rear tire Specialized Captain GRID 2.2

    total weight 33lbs

    I could drop 2-3lbs with a tire and fork swap, but then I'd be unhappy. So I just work a little harder to get to the top . For a bike like this weight isn't an objective for me. That's what I have a Mojo C for.

    Stick with the Hadley hubs and build them to Flow rims.
    1X9? That's a personal thing. I would do a lot of pushing without my granny, though the 11-39 sounds interesting.
    Thomson stem is a good choice. Carbon bars are fine too, I really like my RF SIXC.

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    "a Thomson / Easton Carbon doesn't seem to be a smart pick here?"

    I've seen both take a pretty serious beating under some 200+ lb rough riding mashers... Monkeylite XC's seem pretty stout, and the DH's are still reasonably light if you want more insurance.

    DT's and Hadley's are both top notch... I ride Hadley's and luv em, but the DT's are a bit lighter.

    There's no escaping the weight of the Talas 180, or the price (I'm not dis'n, they look badass and seem light for a 180 fork).... but you could probably get a Revelation Maxle (< 4 lb) and a 170 Lyric for about the same dough.... maybe that's going overboard, but your short travel setup would be about 1.5 lbs lighter...right?

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    28lbs is really light (in the neighborhood of a Mojo or Blur LTc). You can probably get to 29 lbs or there abouts as a 1x10 (not sure what your 11-39 cassette weights though), a little heavier with a 2x10 (you don't save a lb going 1x10) if you go light on the tires - 2.4" Nobby Nic Tubeless for example. Happen to have most of the numbers handy.

    As Dan suggested above Hadley/Flows and SixC/Thomson X4 are hard to beat. Tire choice is a BIG factor though, as most of the tires I like add about 200g+ each to the build below (vs the NN) and a Reverb or equivalent adds another 300g over a Thomson Elite post. Personally think ~ 30.5 lbs with a Lyrik DH 170 SA, some Minion DHF EXOs fr/rr and a Reverb sound like a lot more fun on a 2x10 build and less than a couple lbs heavier than the Blur LTa I owned.

    - Shane

    Build - 1x10
    Frame XL Mojo HD 2975
    Shock RP23
    Fork 2011 Fox 36 Talas FIT RC2 180 1.5 taper - Kashima Coating 2490
    Headset Cane Creek 110 ZS/110 1.5 Mixed Taper 145
    Handlebar Raceface Six C 220
    Grips ODI Ruffians - Black 108
    Stem Thomson X4 - 50mm 178
    Shifters 2011 XO 2x10 - Rear only 126
    Brake Levers Formula The One 180/180 736
    Front Der
    Rer Der 2011 XO Mid Cage 198
    Cranks 2011 XO 33 665
    BB GXP Team
    Bash guard MRP Ibis Mini-G2 220
    Chain PC 1091 257
    Cassette XG 1080 11-36 260
    Seatpost Thomson Elite Post - 31.6mm/367mm - Black 243
    Saddle WTB Silverado SLT 200
    Cables Gore Ride On Low Friction Der Cable 112
    QR Ibis QR
    Fr Hub Hadley 20mm TA 216
    Fr Rim ZTR Flow 477
    Rr Hub Hadley SDH 12x135 TA, 72pt 360
    Rr Skewer Ibis Thruaxle 104
    Rr Rim ZTR Flow 477
    Spokes DT Comp 382
    Nipples DT Alloy 20
    Fr Tire Nobby Nic EVO Tubeless 2.4 795
    Tube
    Rr Tire Nobby Nic EVO Tubeless 2.4 795
    Tube
    Pedals Shimano PD-M980 XTR Trail 310
    13069
    0.002204623
    28.81221302

    Build - 2x10
    XL Mojo HD 2975
    RP23
    2011 Fox 36 Talas FIT RC2 180 1.5 taper - Kashima Coating 2490
    Cane Creek 110 ZS/110 1.5 Mixed Taper 145
    Raceface Six C 220
    ODI Ruffians - Black 108
    Thomson X4 - 50mm 178
    2011 XO 2x10 - Rear only 126
    Formula The One 180/180 736
    Shimano FD-M771-10 XT 34.9 Band Clamp Down-Swing Dual-Pull 158
    2011 XO Mid Cage 198
    2011 XO 22-33-Bash GXP 716
    GXP Team
    e13 TurboCharger & Heim2 149
    PC 1091 257
    XG 1080 11-36 260
    Thomson Elite Post - 31.6mm/367mm - Black 243
    WTB Silverado SLT 200
    Gore Ride On Low Friction Der Cable 112
    Ibis QR
    Hadley 20mm TA 216
    ZTR Flow 477
    Hadley SDH 12x135 TA, 72pt 360
    Ibis Thruaxle 104
    ZTR Flow 477
    DT Comp 382
    DT Alloy 20
    Nobby Nic EVO Tubeless 2.4 795

    Nobby Nic EVO Tubeless 2.4 795

    Shimano PD-M980 XTR Trail 310
    13207
    0.002204623
    29.11645094
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    Just realized I cut and pasted the rear shifter only across to the 2x10 build. With both shifters you come in at 29.4 lbs which is the ~ 1/2 a lb I would have expected to gain going to 2x10.
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    d-bug how do you like your I9 wheels? I ordered the AM set but am thinking about switching to the full enduro set with the 28mm rims as opposed to the 26mm rims.


    Quote Originally Posted by d-bug
    My build:
    XL frame
    Rp23 shock
    Lyrik Coil u-turn fork
    I9 Enduro wheels with Flow rims. 1700grams? Not a chance.
    XT cranks
    990 cassette
    Elixir R brakes 203/185
    X9 shifters and rear der
    XT front der
    e13 DSS chainguide
    Race Face carbon SIXC handlebar
    Hussefelt 60mm stem
    OURY lock-on grips
    Specialized phenom saddle
    KS 950r seatpost (for the few rides it's actually worked )
    Front tire Conti Rubber Queen 2.4 UST
    Rear tire Specialized Captain GRID 2.2

    total weight 33lbs

    I could drop 2-3lbs with a tire and fork swap, but then I'd be unhappy. So I just work a little harder to get to the top . For a bike like this weight isn't an objective for me. That's what I have a Mojo C for.

    Stick with the Hadley hubs and build them to Flow rims.
    1X9? That's a personal thing. I would do a lot of pushing without my granny, though the 11-39 sounds interesting.
    Thomson stem is a good choice. Carbon bars are fine too, I really like my RF SIXC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drinkwat
    d-bug how do you like your I9 wheels? I ordered the AM set but am thinking about switching to the full enduro set with the 28mm rims as opposed to the 26mm rims.
    I really like them.
    They are fairly quiet when greased.
    Engagement is fast.
    They are easy to work on.
    Spokes are $$$ though. I've broken 3.
    I bent the rim pretty bad a few weeks ago. I asked I9 if I can reuse the spokes. They said they are very durable and unless bent badly they will be fine. I've now got several rides on reused spokes and it's all good.
    I'd buy them again. Though for my next wheelset I'm thinking about Hadleys, just to try something different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hypokondriak
    I'm looking into building a Mojo HD 140 XL ....Can I get this thing in the 28-29 range and still handle the beating?
    I wouldn't think so. My XL regular Mojo comes at 28lbs exactly (before I put on a Gravity Dropper adj seat post).

    2010 Mojo XL clear
    2010 RockShox Revelation Team U-turn 120-150mm Maxle light
    Fox Float rp23 shock
    Magura Marta SL Carbon brakes RED, 180 XTR rotors F/R
    XTR R & F derailleur, 2x9 setup (22/32T with carbon bash ring)
    XTR Shifters
    ODI lock on grips
    Easton CNT DH Carbon bar
    Truvativ NOIR Crankset with MRP bashguard
    SRAM PC990 RED 11-34
    XTR hubs on Mavic 819 rims with DT double butted spokes
    tires: Kenda El Moco 2.35 front, Cross Mark tubless 2.1 rear
    20mm front hub QR rear, hope skewer
    Thomson elite stem and seatpost
    Fizik saddle
    Crank brother candy C pedals
    --> 28lbs exactly

    recently added: 4" gravity Turbo adj seat post.

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    "Any other thoughts? Am I crazy here? Can I get this thing in the 28-29 range and still handle the beating?"

    I did a rough estimate and it's possible with that fork depending especially on the tires you choose ....

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    Thanks for the replies. 29 lb. range is fine - 30.5 is fine too (not insane nit picking weenie here) - was just throwing 28 lbs out there based on experience that I've found actual build weights tend to add about 1 lb over paper weights. Shane really appeciate the breakdown - gives me a great starting point of what to be looking at for the build.

    I wouldn't need a front derailleur or bash guard if I went with the Widget - it's 110 grams total, including the 32t ring. This is how I got ~1 lb of reduction (no shifter, front der, cables, or granny ring). The Widget setup could shave somewhere around 250-300 grams off your build below (no front der, no mrp bash) as I'm guessing the crankset weight included the two rings.

    So don't get me wrong I love my Hadleys - with a passion. I also have a set of Kings on my SS and enjoy those too...Hadleys more though. The 240s with 36T upgrade does give adequate engagement with about 100g less weight....looking at the builds, though, I think this is un-necessary.

    I have a 2011 Talas 150 Kashima on my current Blur and like the fork quite a bit. I had a 32 Vanilla 140 before and based on my own personal riding trails I feel the versatility of the Talas outweighs the disadvantages of air vs. spring. That's why I've been looking at the Talas 180...I'll do a lot more riding where air is sufficient vs. true downhill days. I can probably tolerate a little air-based disadvantage.... I wish the Lyric Coil U-Turn wasn't just a 160 option...

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    The 1x10 build has no FD and no 2nd granny ring in the math already. The Ibis/MRP guide could be removed (220g) but man it is really nice if you are going 1x10. The brakes are 180/180 - going 180/160 is a bit lighter (27g) but its fine tuning at this point.

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    What tires would you look at instead of the NN's? Minions?

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    Lots of great tires out there (and a topic onto itself). Really a question of what terrain and how aggressive you want to ride them. The NN is a great trail tire (as are Maxxis High Rollers). I wanted a higher volume tire, so Minion DHF EXO 2.5, Conti Rubber Queens/Trail Kings and Schwalbe Fat Alberts all come to mind as potential options depending on the lug pattern you like for the terrain you ride.

    What are you riding now? and what do you like and not like about them?

    May also want to ask the CO thread guys (I'm in Norcal) or your LBS what works well on the trails you ride all the time.
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